/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

This board's obsession with numbers ruined VTubing. Just watch what you like. None of this shit matters in real life.

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>>53839488
Every board is obsessed with numbers nowadays. You look on /a/ and they're arguing over BD sales. Go on /tv/ and they're talking box office numbers. Go on /co/ and they're discussing viewers watched. People will use anything to attempt to justify their taste as superior and numbers are an easy shortcut to this.

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>>53839488
The issue is that it's everywhere and has been around since our existence (Sports teams, Politics, anything that a person can identify with and separate themselves from others).
At least nobody is really killing eachother over this.... yet...

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>>53839488
MOST

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>>53839556
And none of this shit matters in the real world. My life is shitty as it is and the last thing I want to be reminded about is how I'm a piece of shit human being because what I like doesn't have the best numbers.

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>numbers rabbit OP
Good bait.

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>>53839488
I'm not obsessed. I am conflicted about numbers. I want who I like to succeed and numbers are a good sign of success.
But I also want to gatekeep more. I don't want who I like changing because of a larger audience. It's only a matter of time until our Oshis are sponsored and doing ads for Coca-Cola, Bud Light or McDonald's.

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>>53839662
But /#/ says she has bad numbers now silly.

[Anonymous No.]

You have to be 80 to care about numbers.
If you're intelligent and charismatic you don't give a shit about that because you're not insecure; and only care about the entertainment value of a stream.

Once you kids grow up you'll begin to realize what really matters in life, until then you'll keep threading in your own shit letting your life slip away from you.

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>>53839639
>At least nobody is really killing eachother over this.
lame. id pay to watch dumb number niggers kill each other

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>>53839488
>>53839815
Cope

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>>53839556
>nowadays
>You look on /a/ and they're arguing over BD sales.
They've been doing that since forever

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>>53839912
I went on a date last tuesday, what did you do?

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>>53839815
Bless you

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Every fucking board discusses numbers for their hobbies/interests, /vt/ is the only one who cries about it this much. Is it because actual 1-3views browse here?

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>>53839815
Simple truth. Numberfagging is just what insecure children do to justify the things they like. The Based Sportsfan love his team even when they lose every game. The cultured anime watcher likes what he likes even if only 5 people bought the BD. Any true gamer is too busy playing hidden gems to waste his life simping for Mega-corps, etc etc.

That's not to say you can't like popular things, too, that's completely fine. The child who is too insecure to like popular things because he needs to be a special snowflake is almost as bad as the insecure child who only likes popular things because they're just following the herd. Just be yourself, and like what you like. Anything else is just wasting your life for no fucking reason.

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Hm. I guess I see your point. Numbers are important though. They're how we measure things, how we compare stuff. Like I'd never trust some foreign guy who couldn't tell me his measurements. That's just common sense. Besides, it's not like I'm obsessed with numbers. I just enjoy a good debate every once in a while, you know? Sort of a pastime for me. And hey, maybe it does matter sometimes in real life. Who knows? Maybe I'll never find that answer because everyone wants different things in life, man. Some people want money, others power, still others just to fit in, I guess. But that's why I try to be so open minded, man. Because if we can't accept each other for what we are, how the hell can we expect anything to improve, you know?

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>>53840314
this board has more women in it than the other and women are known for fearing numbers

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>>53840413
People are too focused on bringing others down. And in some cases good showings are often downplayed, dissected and trashed. That's why I don't like numbers.

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>>53839488
>this board
newfag

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>>53840413
>chatgpt

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>>53840431
This deserves a Kek

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>>53839488
There is not a single board on 4chan besides maybe /po/ where the people posting about their hobbies actually enjoy them

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>>53839975
Fucked your mom

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>>53839815
See anon, the thing is that the people who care about numbers don't actually watch streams so they can't judge the entertainment value of them either. All they do is stare at the CCV of multiple streams at once like some sort of autistic competition.

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>>53839556
Numbers were a mistake

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>>53839488
my numbers tell me you are wrong.

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>>53839556
BD sales have actual real like ramifications on whether a 2nd season happens for a show. Its making their money back

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>>53839556
/vt/ has way more people though who seem to genuinely think that whatever is most popular must also necessarily be best.
Most other media boards if anything reflexively shit on shit on the most popular stuff, be that marvel movies or generic shounen shit.

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>>53839962
It used to signify hugely popular shows, indicate what would get a second season, et cetera. Nowadays with easy streaming and worldwide merch sales, BDs are just a matter of how many hardcore otaku are following a show.

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>>53840314
the way this indog asylum "discusses" numbers is completely different than other boards, even when they're arguing, manga/vidya sales threads don't devolve into accusing mangaka or devs of leeching or other gossipy sister bullshit

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>>53840454
Yeah people do that, but its not the numbers fault. the numbers are innocent. They are just being wielded by malicious parties with bad intentions. Another reason to tear down others would be found even if numbers were not the reason...
... I honestly dont know how to stop it. Humanity as a whole scares me. there are alot of good people but just as many ones looking for and creating trouble that didnt need to exsist.

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>>53840727
Yeah but what I don't understand is, someone has good numbers, but it's not good enough for that person who is using them and then you get vagueposts from the VTuber like "I'm not doing good enough" but what aren't they doing good enough? Oneguys are seriously the worst.

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>>53839488
easy fix.
make numberfaging bannable outside of /#/.

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>>53839556
Numbers matter way more for anime and movies even for the fans
A vtuber can stream for years to an audience of 10 while a movie not making back its cost pretty much kills any hope of a sequel

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>>53839488
Numberfaggotry can exist under capitalism, where your survival and success are directly tied to the revenue you generate.

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>>53841002
Not necessarily. The loudest numberfags tend to come from small dog syndrome. Meaning they'll use someone's clearly lower numbers as an attack on someone who underperformed for the day as an ongoing and persistent attack on them.

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>>53839488
Its all ESL third worlders who feel theyre actually applying something mathematically and statistically for once in their life

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>>53839556
imagine unironically argueing that you are the most normalfag of them all and it being a good thing

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>>53840621
>/vt/ has way more people though who seem to genuinely think that whatever is most popular must also necessarily be best.
No?

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>>53839488
>This board's obsession with numbers ruined VTubing
>This board
This board ruined vtubing for itself, people outside of /here/ are actually enjoying themselves

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>>53841304
Hah, imagine these people going to a con and saying the same things in person, in public while everyone else is having fun regardless of who you're fans of

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>>53840682
Newfag and a retard. You wouldn't last a half hour on a /v/ thread ""discussing"" sales if /#/ triggers you this much.

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>>53841677
>at least we are better than literal liquid shit
ok

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>>53841304
it’s the 4chan contrarian behavior that forces the general userbase here to not allow themselves to enjoy things the same way other people do, which in the grand scheme seems really fucking autistic when you consider the hobby can be boiled down to gaming livestreaming for 2010 vocaloid fans

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>>53839657
Then stop reading the opinions of dumb people, anon. You don't have to go to these boards and read irrational things that make you mad.

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>>53841677
>discussing sales
>DURRRRRRRRRRRRRR SONY GOOD NINTENDO BAD YWNBJ YWNBJ PLAY MY WOKE POZZED GOYSLOP TENDIES
Am I doing it right?

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>>53839488
I wouldn't mind it if they just stayed contained in their brown and smelly general.

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>>53839488
I got you chief! In Phase Connect we don't care 'bout noombers, we just have fun!

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>>53839792
That's just pekoschizos repeating the same shit day in and day out ad nauseam. Even if she does well they'd find other things about her numbers to shit on.

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>>53839488
OPBP

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>>53839488
>>53839556
/a/'s contrarianism is the opposite but just as obnoxious. If an asian cartoon becomes too popular they'll shit all over it similar to how a hipster only likes music you've never heard of. Actually, I think /a/ is worse.

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>>53844928
Maybe 10 years ago
/a/ is just /shonenshit/ now
Naruto shouldve never been unbanned

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>>53839488
Vtubing ruined Vtubing
The field became oversaturated way too fast. It's all twitter freaks and clout chasing now

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>>53839488
>This board's obsession with numbers ruined VTubing. Just watch what you like. None of this shit matters in real life.
But we want the numbers, Mason. It's all we've ever wanted.

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>>53839488
>None of this shit matters in real life.
Why is Peko so obsessed with digits then?

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>>53845826
>obsessed with digits
>constantly does things that gives her the opposite of good digitsI keep seeing others say she is a numberfag and obsessed with numbers/digits all the time but she consistently does things opposite of what you'd expect of someone who is apparently obsessed with numbers. It just doesn't make sense.
Maybe she was obsessed with digits once upon a time, but she seems more like someone who just wants to play what she wants to play and have fun nowadays.

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>>53845826
>obsessed with digits
>constantly does things that gives her the opposite of good digits
I keep seeing others say she is a numberfag and obsessed with numbers/digits all the time but she consistently does things opposite of what you'd expect of someone who is apparently obsessed with numbers. It just doesn't make sense.
Maybe she was obsessed with digits once upon a time, but she seems more like someone who just wants to play what she wants to play and have fun nowadays.

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>>53846777
Lots of people don't realize that once you become successful not everyone is interested in min-maxing. Once you reach a certain level you can just do whatever you think is fun and at least a decent chunk of the fanbase will tag along, this is true for the large majority of Holo’s

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>>53839488

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>>53839488
But if chumbuds stop their obsession with numbers in order to flame and spam the catalogue, what will they do? Watch streams?

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Numbers may determine whether she needs a day job. If she goes up above that threshold, you actually get less streams for a month or two while she adjusts, with no particular improvement afterward.

[Anonymous No.]

I do just watch what I like. Maybe you should stop obsessing over people who obsess over numbers.

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>>53839488
oh shit i work a job i get paid by the amount of my contracts.... i don't care

[Anonymous No.]

numberfags really broke /vt/'s weak ass minds lmao

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>>53839488

Only numbers matter, uniroically. Now and forever.

Vtubers come and go but big numbers are 5ever. Its sport for distinguished men of supior intellect, taste and wealth.

Go to hell just-enjoy-fag and take your dicklickers with you. You brainless consoomer drone. Fence sitting piece of shit. I spit on you. The lowest form of subhuman live.

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

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>>53844928
chainsaw man was mid, you are a redditor and you watched less than 100 days of anime in your life

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>>53839488
>>This board's obsession with numbers ruined VTubing

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>>53839488
>>>This board's obsession with numbers ruined VTubing

[Anonymous No.]

>a random thread on a board somehow has power enough to destroy the industry
Holy schizo. This is some high level of mentally ill people. Who fucking cares about some thread talking about numbers, you fucking schizos needs to stop letting it live rent free in your head, I already lost caunt of schizos trying to strawman me by calling me a numberfag in a discussion on several different threads. You guys are more insane than those living by magical numbers in their head. Go touch grass or something

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>>53839488
if you only cared about the numbers and not your oshi, then you didn't give a fuck in the first place.
>>53839556
FPBP.

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>>53839488
blame youtube first for showing ccv, views, likes and subs...

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>>53857627
Its impressive, but if you stroke your ego then it isn't enjoying a vtuber at all. Nijisanji Koishien might have over 200K viewers, yet it could suck because of the bullshit drama and how many teams there are.

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>>53841677
Mate we've been calling your VGcharts threads unfounded shit for over a decade. Numberfags have always been retarded, no matter the form or the board.

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>>53856726
I didn't watch chainsaw man so I have no opinions on it. If I watched less than 100 days of anime its because I have a much better life than yours.

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>>53841677
/v/ is the shit of the shit: it is infinitely worse than /vt/

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>>53839488
>ruined VTubing
how so? your enjoyment of music and streams is totally dependent on /vt/ culture?
Something like that can only be ruined if you allowed yourself to feel impaired by it
the endless numberfaggotery has never ruined a single stream for me

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>>53839488
Stop going to /#/. It's not that hard.

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>>53839488
>None of this shit matters in real life.
Wrong, it matters because i can use it to shit on vtubers and fanbases that i don't like

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>>53858016
I don't, /#/ comes to me in my threads

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>>53839488
Ruined nothing. If it ruined it for you your brain is the you problem. My oshi can go as low as 2k or as high as 100k and there is fun to be had in either of those streams.

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Numbers are fair to discuss if it is being done by people who have a grasp on what really matters. People who are able to take a holistic approach and account for all relevant factors to reach a conclusion based in fact.

The problem with /vt/ is that subhuman third worlders with nothing better to do have hyper fixated on one single aspect of vtubing and then ran it through the fucking ground without comprehending why a single metric is not representative of the whole. And that's not even taking into account the daily raids and spam in the catalog.

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>>53839488
tribal faggotry and easy shitposting material, that's all it's ever been

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>>53840520
(nta) You just proved his point about age

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>>53842288
No but it's like a Microsoftfag to get reality wrong.

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>>53839488
Anon i will say this for your own good, if it really ruins the hobby for you, stop going /here/. The reality is that none of this matters, just like your own point about numbers. /vt/ is irrelevant, we are the vocal minority but people here will never accept that. If it bothers you reading shit here about your oshi because of numbers, you are playing yourself by going to the only place you will ever hear this nonsense.

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>>53859028
And then this likely prompts a fan of any of the aforementioned to throw their own numbers as an attack at the person attacking them.
Must be bad upbringing to enjoy bragging about something so pointless. Not even showing off something they've earned credit for. These people are pathetic

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>>53839488
>we

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>>53839488
only incels watch vtubers that arent 4 views

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>>53839488
not my problem

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>>53839488
agree

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>>53858184
Numbering is the easiest thing in life, bigger numbers mean better things in life

Nobody knows you if your a 1 view and everyone knows you if your a 7 view

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>>53839488
The only thing this board ruined is itself.
>>53839556
>>53839962
>>53840652
What do dragon sex toys have to do with chinese cartoons?

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>>53859160
I’m older than you

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>>53839710
Those who can't accept the consequences of global Westernization, don't deserve its benefits.
Hobbies, technologies, means of expression... these sorts of things fundamentally cannot be gatekept in a free society. To keep a gate it must exist; there must be a perimeter which it gates; and there must be something of value on the inside of that perimeter that cannot be found outside.

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>>53840515
What's the point in posting about something you don't enjoy?

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>>53841294
NTA, but is that not the entire premise of /#/?

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>>53876348
no

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numbers are GOD

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>>53876348
When /#/ does 3x3s their favorites include more unknowns than other threads.
The premise is that numbers are an opportunity to talk shit.

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Number go up. Nice.

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>>53859028
Karma served them right then. Don't numberfag in the first place.

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>>53877513
There's no such thing as karma for numberfags because they're outrage addicts who need that sense of righteous anger to avoid roping themselves. If it's not niji vs holo kt's vshojo vs Holo, and if it's not vshojo vs holo it's holo vs holo. And if it's not holo vs holo, they simply make something up to pick a fight. They crave the sense of fighting in a cause greater than themselves but since they lack the skills or motivation to do anything productive with this urge so instead they blow it all on fake Olympic vtuber medals. They will never ever let themselves be happy and they will only continue to sink deeper into the pit until some external crisis forces them out. It is basically as hard as you can possibly squander the gift of life while still being alive.

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>>53878215
>they simply make something up to pick a fight
nigger, those are unironic schizos or Luxiem sisters falseflagging. Also, stop projecting,

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>>53878784
>Everything that makes people I like look bad is a false flag!
I forgot to mention how this is how numberfags protect their own egos. They spend all day, every day, in a strange kind of doublethink: they waste their lives in bait threads, and starting bait threads, about whoever the roulette wheel's landed on that day. They know this. They know everyone they associate with is also doing this, because they're all doing it together. Yet, because they can't bear to acknowledge how objectively wretched this conduct is, whenever anyone brings it up, they claim that all such instances are instead the fault of *boogeyman of the week.* The identity of these boogeymen is constantly in flux because it depends on whoever is the target of their current crusade. The doublethink is what shields them from making the connection that they're part of the boogeymen they accuse of being responsible. All blame is abdicated, then they switch tabs back to their bait threads and continue on as before. Asymptotically the most miserable example of human psychology.

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>>53879437
you are so dumb, I'm sure you believe that anyone that posts a Mori picture is a deadbeat.
>all that text
you are either baiting or you think you are intelligent when writing the most grandiloquent words possible, which makes you no better than a teenager after reading an article about atheism.

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>>53879871
Considering that the Mori bait thread that's currently up in the catalog right now is filled with /#/ shitposts, no, I don't think it's at all incorrect to say /#/ is responsible for bait like this. If you spent less time reading schizoid excel spreadsheets and more time reading literally anything of actual value, you wouldn't have such a hard time understanding English, too. Go seethe and cope somewhere else.

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>>53880487
>implying I don't understand what you wrote
do you think actual /#/ dwellers post those baits? they don't give a fuck about Mori, nor the catalog for that matter, it's always some schizo that grabbed spreadsheets or graphics from there. And you keep falling for it.

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>>53839962
1735man is a good meme

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>>53879437
Why are deadbeats so fucking chuuni?

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>>53880894
That's a next level cope, anon. Alternatively: the posters who are obsessed with turning numbers into a contest brag about the contest results outside their containment thread. This is the exact doublethink I mentioned earlier in action.

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>>53881249
you can't call it a cope just because you can't refute it.

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>>53881368
I refuted it in that very post, you just chose not to perceive because it is inconvenient for you. I'm only still replying because I'm interested in seeing how deep your delusions actually go. It's not like you actually know any of the people you're defending irl, they're anonymous strangers on the internet and I guarantee that they've all spent a substantial amount of time shitting on your oshi whenever they had a rough day -- presuming that /#/ itself isn't your oshi, which would just be depressing.

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>>53839488
EN ruined vtubing

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>>53876861
>implying a real fan would be able to pick just nine
Cute! Anon is cute!!

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>>53880894
>actual /#/ dwellers
>some schizo that grabbed spreadsheets
These are the same thing, retard.

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>>53882031
sure.

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>>53839488
> money don't matter in real life
anon.... that basicaly what you are saying, it's time to grow up. The less number you oshi have the more likely it is she will disapear tommorrow, groomed by a retard. You don't want that? watch hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

Behold! The Number God!

[Anonymous No.]

Stop wasting your breath arguing with third world subhumans. They can't even begin to conceptualize what it means to be a good person.

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>>53882414
What is a god to a nonbeliever?

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>>53839488
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPT0JT1dOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPT0JT1dOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPT0JT1dOw

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>>53857878
it really isn't, this board is 90% fucking generals and they're the only threads that are worth reading. Catalog threads on this board are a literal zoo where people from all around come to throw feed and point and laugh at the funny animals.

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>>53839488
The only wrong thing is numberfags these days can't stay in their thread and break containment everywhere
I like the good ol days when we shit on numberfagging outside of the designated thread
t.numberchad

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That and the obsession with fake idols

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>>53840873
Would be nice
It would be good too if they give ID

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>>53839488
Newfags from 2019 and 2020 ruined vtubing
They also made this board in this first place

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>>53839488
I only like things with high numbers

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>>53841294
Literally yes
>muh oshi big CCV number so better
>muh oshi big SC so better
>your oshi didn't get 10k? lmao fucking worthless whore

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>>53857878
/v/ is unironically better than /vt/

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>>53857121
/#/tranny seething kek

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>>53839488
Uhm, ackshually, the numbers do matter in real life.
retard

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>>53875907
>Anon never outgrew his pitfalls
kwab and ngmi in one post

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>>53839488
it seems much more prevalent here sometimes because for some people on here, the culture of having an "oshi" means you want her to be better than others because of the sense of pride you get when they succeed and others "fail". and having bigger numbers is a way to look at it.

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>>53839488
>ruined VTubing
Speak for yourself