Coco told Holomems to be more creative and to fuck management, but honestly what else is there to do in this medium? They pretty much do everything except reaction and hot tub streams.

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Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:17:57 2021 No.5333570 [Reply] [Original]

Coco told Holomems to be more creative and to fuck management, but honestly what else is there to do in this medium? They pretty much do everything except reaction and hot tub streams.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:21:18 2021 No.5333775 >>5333570 well the existence of Virtual anime girls Only Fans is zero AFAIK

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:21:48 2021 No.5333798

>>5333570
I guess it's less about doing something that has never been done before and more about not having mgmt ride your dick all the time to get you to tone it down or whatever else you need to do to appease sponsors advertisers and the EOP fan base.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:22:04 2021 No.5333811 If there's a 3DPD tuber, there needs to be a VTuber version of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:23:10 2021 No.5333873 >>5333775 There is CB

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:29:19 2021 No.5334255

There's room for innovation, even within Cover's/Youtube's confines. Subaru's a good example of that, but Coco either wanted to involve her friends which meant red tape or just had ideas that weren't compatible with their new direction.

If HoloJP were more willing to have a few people who specialized in general content creation like HoloEN rather than making them all be idols, she'd probably have more wiggle room.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:31:51 2021 No.5334429 >>5334255 and here I am regretting her retirement before doing a monthly JAV reviews and rankings streams.......

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:33:04 2021 No.5334512 >>5333570 Ame was a good overall pick. She's the support of the team and the soul child of coco. Just do it and think of consequences later. Innovate and make your streams better so that every Holo or vtubers in general would benefit from it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:35:10 2021 No.5334628 >>5334512 yeah start by doing her versions of AsaCoco parodying FoxN. let's enjoy the outrage circus.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:36:54 2021 No.5334733

>>5334255
Nah it's not about the idol side of them. Since the purge hololive just never the same. There's always a lingering feeling of either got demonetized or purge outta existence by youtube.
They use to be daring you know, not afraid to get ban, even making sub channels, doing swimsuits stream, lewd asmr, etc. Nowdays, the youtube ghost haunted them for the trauma they once experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:37:43 2021 No.5334786 >>5334255 Thing is, the term "idol" itself is very flexible and can mean just about anything as long as some of the core guidelines are met. I mean it for real; there's even "AV idols" if that's your cup of tea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:38:42 2021 No.5334847 >>5333570 There's always room for creativity. She's not saying to fuck over the mgmt, she's just saying be creative for Hololive to not get bland, and boring, where basically all they do is playing the same shit everyday. And I think that's fair

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:46:05 2021 No.5335248 >>5334733 If a channel gets banned, even temporarily, they can lose a hundred thousand in income in a second.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:50:05 2021 No.5335436 >>5333570 The irony of /vt/ mourning Coco and hating on Cover is that if she had the free reign she wanted, this board would call her v-whore and would be bigger antis toward her than even the chingchongs.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:52:44 2021 No.5335547

>>5334733
>They use to be daring you know, not afraid to get ban, even making sub channels, doing swimsuits stream, lewd asmr, etc.
Yes, and if Mio gets a third strike, they could lose the entire company's assets. If you were living under the looming threat of total annihilation caused by your being "daring" you would be very anal about many things involving copyrights and terms of use.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:53:43 2021 No.5335595

>>5333570
Loads. Haachama and Ame keep coming up with cool new shit and have inspired the vtuber community so much, and one of EN's advantages is the amount the streamers in general and more creative fans (ameteur game devs, animators etc.) can feed off each other. I think Ame is gonna inherit Coco's legacy for creativity in a way. There's a reason I don't watch many streamers that aren't vtubers, and that's because most regular streamers in the public eye are about as creative as a contemporary SNL writer.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:57:47 2021 No.5335800
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>>5333570
FUCKING METHOD ACTING AND ROLEPLAYING STREAMS
>Kiara playing the role of a manager or a fast food owner
>Mori doing reaping
>Ame doing some braindead detective work
>Ina being a priestess
>Gura playing a dumbfuck 80's movies protagonist that doesn't understand technology
Just take some shitty VN and do that. What Haachama did, but not schizo!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:59:11 2021 No.5335877 >>5335436 Nah, we only do that with western vtubers doing that kind of content. Japs doing exactly the same thing are fine here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 12:59:32 2021 No.5335902 >>5335800 The problem is that EN managers are Japanese, retarded and No Fun Allowed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:00:57 2021 No.5335990 >>5334733 100%, and it's also the reason Coco said today that the managers don't like the fact that they have to censor as much as they do. Fuck youtube.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:01:08 2021 No.5335998 >>5335800 >>Mori doing reaping So basically, Mori working on her wigger cred and doing drive-bys on Japanese fast food joints?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:02:02 2021 No.5336057 >>5335800 I dunno if Hololive is for you, man. There's lots of other streamers out there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:06:02 2021 No.5336266 >>5335436 100%. >HoloEN collabs with vshoujo >"I can't believe they would collab with a group that has a literal prostitute" >Coco sometimes mentions that she was friends with Projekt Melody and isn't fond of Cover being shitty about that >"..."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:06:43 2021 No.5336304 >>5336057 Anon, Holo are perfectly capable of doing this. It's management that gets in the way at the moment with their procedural obstructionism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:07:25 2021 No.5336336 >>5335877 >>5335902 Incredible juxtaposition.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:07:53 2021 No.5336369
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>>5333570
The problem isn't innovation, anyone can think of one or two gimmick streams to vary shit a bit. The problem is figuring an innovation that can be used often, is cheap/free and doesn't require massive work per stream. Sure, haachama schizo arc might be fun, but it's not something that can really last.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:08:30 2021 No.5336397 >>5336304 I'm not the one complaining though, I'm happy the way things are, as are most fans - especially the ones who actually get off their ass and create things.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:08:57 2021 No.5336420

- They could easily expand their prerecorded content. Maybe make some videos that aren’t music videos or a ten second greenscreen meme?

- Play a wider variety of games. Cover nowadays is so scared of copyright that they won’t even let korone play NES games from companies that don’t exist anymore. People are starting to get bored of minecraft + apex + whatever 2020/2021 triple A game they are playing.

- Less of a divide between the branches + a more open attitude to collabs. They seem to have this stupid attitude that collabs have to be planned like a month in advance and you can only have one in a week. It’s not that hard to just get on discord and collab.

Things such as the TTRPG collab and the fish tank stream have me hopeful that future streams will have more creativity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:13:10 2021 No.5336652 >>5335248 Would youtube really ban a vtuber channel? There were actually channel that review JAV, at most they would get demonetized. But a channel ban? I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:13:38 2021 No.5336681 >>5336420 They script collabs so it takes long

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:14:12 2021 No.5336716

>>5336420
I'm totally with you on the pre-recorded content, but Japanese copyright is so strict and Japanese creators can be so needlessly anal about it that I don't blame Cover for being so anxious about it.

As for the divide between brances, the issue is more to do with how busy everyone is all the time. It's hard to arrange things because everyone's already got their own lives, as well as behind-the-scenes work. Even harder for EN considering timezones - there's a reason JP and ID collab more frequently.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:15:31 2021 No.5336800 >>5336652 They banned Kiara completely by accident.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:17:46 2021 No.5336924

>>5336420
>Cover nowadays is so scared of copyright that they won’t even let korone play NES games from companies that don’t exist anymore.
If there is one absolute rule that you will have to come to terms with in the intellectual property game, it's that Copyrights never really go away. There's a reason GoG takes forever to release old ass games to their library.

>People are starting to get bored of minecraft + apex + whatever 2020/2021 triple A game they are playing.
A fair assessment, the problem is that players (and possibly viewers) aren't interested. Cover themselves will need to start coordinating large group collabs pre-emptively if you ever want the girls to do anything other than play whatever game strikes their fancy that given week.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:18:35 2021 No.5336970 >>5334512 >Ame She is under EN management, which is even more restrictive than JP management. Ame can never release her full potential. Similar to Gura.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:19:56 2021 No.5337026 >>5334847 >Hololive to not get bland, and boring Management restricting their freedoms already did that to some degree.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:20:16 2021 No.5337050 >>5336800 >accident That doesn't change my point. Kiara was just misban by a stupid AI system. These accidents happen regardless of the content. And Hololive now being such a big MCN, these issues could be solve fairly quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:22:06 2021 No.5337138 >>5333775 Melody has an only fans

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:23:01 2021 No.5337189 >>5337138 incel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:24:55 2021 No.5337285 File: 225 KB, 1920x1080, E3h6Wx4VIAEGjFO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Last time someone was creative, things went south.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:26:26 2021 No.5337376

Question, would it be different if Holos move to Twitch to stream content that would usually get copystriked by YT? They can stream normally on YT for their usual content, but only contents like swimsuits events, ASMR, feet review are archived on Twitch? Ame's idea to have their own clipper seems good, and they could hire them to clip and edit safe parts from their twitch account to YT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:27:03 2021 No.5337413 File: 20 KB, 400x300, consciousness-709143-400x300[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A few months ago, did Kiara purposefully ignore Coco to inform us about the EN Coco ban?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:27:31 2021 No.5337440 >>5337285 That's more on nip autism than cover

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:28:30 2021 No.5337488 >>5334628 Until it is inevitably snuffed out

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:29:52 2021 No.5337546

>>5336652
>>5337050
Youtube deleted the channel of that Meiro gal with the whole nte ASMR scandal. The ban must've been manual since it only happened after the video blew up on tweeter. They literally deleted the channel cause of a lewd sounds, I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to delete a channel that got multiple copyright strikes.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:30:10 2021 No.5337572

>>5333570
>but honestly what else is there to do
You clearly misunderstood. It’s not about doing something else, it’s about having the freedom to say or do something potentially funny/entertaining without management saying no, or having to weigh in on every single decision to the point of it being a hassle for the streamers. Like Gura saying management needs to okay every detail of an uploaded video to the point of not wanting to bother at all. Or collabs between streamers of Hololive being restricted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:31:32 2021 No.5337630 >>5337189 Incel because I pay attention to shit and knew about it? >nigger are you fucking serious?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:32:56 2021 No.5337712

>>5337376
The events you described would get them banned on Twitch too. They only allow their top tutty streamers for whom the Twitch mods simp for do anything similar.
The only real solution that another anon posted in a different thread, is for Cover to make their own privately-run platform where they stream events that would be NG elsewhere, under their own rules.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:34:00 2021 No.5337775

>>5335248
>If a channel gets banned…
Most YouTube creators still walk the line in order to be entertaining, and they almost never get banned. Why? Because if you know the TOS and follow along you’re mostly fine. The difference is Cover is restrictive far beyond what YouTube is themselves. Why? Maybe sponsorships or Twitter mobs? I don’t know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:36:25 2021 No.5337910 >>5337189 I hate the actual incels here as much as anyone, but that guy was just pointing out something true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:36:44 2021 No.5337923 I think maybe after the China thing, Cover decided to be extremely restrictive and controlling of the girls in order to prevent a possible future situation. The problem is they are destroying themselves slowly over it.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:36:56 2021 No.5337938

>>5336420
wew
last year me and some blokes "accidentally" put some guitar cover youtuber goes bust by covering Steppenwolf "incorrectly".
lul

joking aside if a reputable and harmless Youtuber i.e. got really messed up by Copyright trolls what chances "Big Target" such as Cover will have?

I mean JAV reviews only attract the same degenerates unless there's another rabid rabies online PMRC Tipper Gore on the loose....

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:37:41 2021 No.5337978 >>5337413 No? Coco mentioned it in a chat stream first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:39:41 2021 No.5338097 >>5337712 >privately-run platform Now we're talking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:42:27 2021 No.5338234 >>5337923 Because simply there's no point. Most Holos have already reached 1 million subs. Where's the need to do something creative?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:44:25 2021 No.5338339

>>5337712
Wait, I've seen people doing much more worse than feet review or swimsuit events on twitch particularly those reaction streams and that girl I once saw wearing only a bikini and riding an inflated banana. You're telling me that they can't do content that is an even lesser version of those? Also to add on to my question earlier, I think it'd be beneficial for Cover and Twitch to partner up since Cover needs an alternative for their talents to let loose, keep their contents archived for their fans and not get banned while twitch would want to grow their own vtuber scene.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:46:44 2021 No.5338460 >>5338339 if the more "safe" and "cleans" relatively platform such as Youtube can't get away and free from anything such as Copyright Trolls and another SJW shenanigans. what chances Twitch have considering it's the Tumblr of streaming platform?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:49:39 2021 No.5338588

>>5338234
I see your mistake. You’re confusing the word “creative” with “a lack of restriction”. Losing restrictions just makes things more entertaining (being allowed to be funny or edgy), not necessarily more creative, but it certainly can be. Basically the girls need the freedom to collab with each other, upload videos without needing management to okay every single detail, tell funny jokes that may be somewhat edgy, etc.

They need to be released from the cage a bit. Maybe talk them out for a walk at least. Otherwise they will quit over time.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:52:20 2021 No.5338729

>>5338339
Twitch mods have a raging hate boner for anything anime porn adjacent... especially lolis. The biggest problem isn't YouTube either, but rights holders in most cases, and this is the case on Twitch, except Twitch is even more schizo about placing ads in your video or outright nuking your channels.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:53:38 2021 No.5338799

>>5338339
>You're telling me that they can't do content that is an even lesser version of those?
Yes, though not exactly because of Twitch rules.
Remember when Melody popped off? The backlash from the non-virtual whore streamers in chaturbate was massive. Similarly, although vshojo is being tolerated because they aren't that big or that many of them, if a massive company like Cover with over 50 talents and millions of viewers were to join Twitch, there would also be a backlash by similar titty streamers. It only takes one claim from them that "Matsuri's/Rushia's/Kanata's/Luna's/Gura's model promotes pedophilia" to make it into a scandal.
Obviously this is doomrratposting, but I feel like it's not entirely baseless.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:58:02 2021 No.5339076

>>5338339
>bikini
It’s not against YouTube TOS. What I’m saying is just the reality. Plenty of swimsuits or whatnot on YouTube as well. In fact if it’s educational, there is even full nudity on YouTube. But that’s a different matter.

It’s more of a decision that Cover made to be against swimsuits, basically in a move to be more family friendly. It is obviously causing them trouble now though.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:58:04 2021 No.5339079

>>5338588
does it need to be edgy? to be "entertaining" then we got the Prank Era Youtube.
DESU I prefer the current Youtube where Demolitions Ranch or the Slingshot channels than some bloke doing "make out with some completely stranger mamaries pranks" or "Social Experiments how peoples will react if I put firecracker on a nigger ass"

having parody of Japanese TV Show can do some interesting "Creatives" takes and easily dealt since they can "discuss" and "bargains" with the respective Parodied TV Shows in Japanese Professional manners.

Dealing "Interesting" things by doing edgy things that inherently attract unwanted and unnecessary attentions is already proved that too much for Cover to handles.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 13:59:07 2021 No.5339126

>>5338799
>Obviously this is doomrratposting, but I feel like it's not entirely baseless.
We already had this at the HoloMyth debut with that Venti chick. And someone tried to cancel them over the loli/shota "talk" that the JP girls often have. Luckily those were literally who tier moral police so Hololive is safe... for now...

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:01:54 2021 No.5339302

>>5339079
>does comedy need to be edgy?
No, it’s more about the freedom to choose. Like a comedian having to constantly stop themselves before telling a joke that may not be family friendly. Or worrying that Cover is watching and might not be happy with them over something. Or Gura saying that she had ideas for an upload, but it took too long for Cover to get back to her that she just moved on. She seemed to suggest she wanted to do it herself.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:02:24 2021 No.5339332

>>5336652
YT hates anime stuff and will go down on them hard, its ideological, probabmy because is opular among straight men and it has "male gaze" bent to it. You know is ideological because if it was really about the content they would have banned channels like the one with the faggot who sticks dildos and dicks up his ass on camera.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:07:12 2021 No.5339585

>>5339126
If Cover let the girls have their freedom, and if one girl got banned every two years over it, Cover would still probably lose less girls then they would be by making them quit over taking their freedom away. Coco not quitting would be an example.

It’s possible to be so controlling that you become the problem.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:08:10 2021 No.5339641

>>5338799
>It only takes one claim from them that "Matsuri's/Rushia's/Kanata's/Luna's/Gura's model promotes pedophilia" to make it into a scandal.
Hmm, I don't watch twitch but I can see this could turn into a problem for management. They could at least take an initiative and experiment a lil bit with the Myths maybe ame or EN 2 seeing that they are trying to get into the western market. If Twitch isn't a good choice, then the best thing for Cover is to make their own platform to stream their content without being restricted by rules. I don't mind swimsuit events on their site as long as there's enough talents to shill on it in twitter.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:08:42 2021 No.5339659

>>5334255
are you trying to tell me the content they made before wasn't content? just so you know im talking about the content they made before joining hololive
i can tell you with certainty that everyone in hololive have experience in content creation minus shuba

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:10:57 2021 No.5339780 >>5333570 I just want Miko say FAQ with 100% mean to insult again. Not this FAQ is love bullshit. FAQ niggers, FAQ Susan, FAQ censorship.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:11:35 2021 No.5339815 >>5339641 If Cover wanted, only mature looking girls can have a bikini in that case. It’s not the issue. The issue seems to be more about a move to family friendly content.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:14:42 2021 No.5339977 >>5339780 >I just want Miko say FAQ as an insult again. Not this FAQ is love bullshit. But anon, that’s not family friendly. Anime is for kids, don’t you know?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:15:32 2021 No.5340007

>>5339302
>>5339302
And who's have the "Right" to decided what is good or not?
Cover?
The Talents?
Us?
I mean some bloke from Holostars doing Interview with his own virtual dick......and it got approved.
who's going to take the responsibilities when things goes awry?
If that's my money at stake Hell no, I don't care some angry $10 SC goes somewhere else.
those Nike Sponsorship is too much to lose for some basement dweller whim.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:16:24 2021 No.5340073

>people ITT seriously talking about "Cover should just make their own platform"

If literal billion dollar companies can't manage to make a sustainable competitive streaming service, what in the fuck makes you think Cover could do it with only Holo talents?

Say goodbye permanently to a huge amount of your viewership and income, much less your monthly growth, if you even think about leaving Youtube.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:18:30 2021 No.5340175

>>5339815
The only feasible solutions is.
because Holo and Cover already have a quite solid fanbase.
making their own membership only platforms.
then all the current problems will be solved and the pruning of the problematic peoples in the fandom can be easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:19:37 2021 No.5340225 >>5340073 NicoNicoDouga yes Cover should go back to their roots

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:19:52 2021 No.5340235 >>5340007 Fuck off bootlicker

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:22:06 2021 No.5340338 >>5337775 editing out the problematic scenes shouldn't be needed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:22:11 2021 No.5340350 >>5340007 >Should a Hololive streamer be allowed to decide what content is good or not? Yes, obviously. Providing they work within the rules of YouTube. I don’t see what the problem is. Also read this: >>5339585

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:22:36 2021 No.5340365

>>5340073
Anon, if you follow the threads, I'm saying that Cover should make a place where they can stream unrestricted contents on their own. The privated contents that aren't copyrighted games like some of hachaama's videos or ideas that were turned down by management because they think YT wouldn't like it. They can stream normal stuff on their YT channels while the unrestricted streams are linked from their twitter accounts to the site. Hired clippers can do their jobs and edit the safe parts or censor parts to be put onto their Youtube channels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:22:51 2021 No.5340379 >>5339585 >fuck the girls who cares if some of them get banned and lose their income, it's more important for the company to grow Nice way to support the streamers you've got there

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:23:44 2021 No.5340425 >>5340365 >the only content you have available directly on your site is the stuff you thought was too problematic for your brand on other platforms lol

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:24:59 2021 No.5340492

>>5333570

>hololive
>they pretty much do everything
>10 hour apex
>minecraft minecraft minecraft
>plays the most recent random game they got permission for (e.i henry stickmin etc)

Hahahahhahaa no

i cant believe these kids think these are everything a vtuber does.

Go watch old streams of siros old stuff, BANs members, eliene’s familys 360 videos etc.

There are 99% of content which holoshit never covers because they want to appeal sfw now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:25:06 2021 No.5340496 >>5338234 Well, that's the point, isn't it? Where's the hunger? The drive? Don't they want to get to 2 million, 3 million, and beyond?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:25:35 2021 No.5340518

>>5340350
that's where you've got it wrong.
another Coco maybe hard.
but there's tons already available to snatch streamer in Japan that can be the next cash cow waiting in line.
less problematic and more SC magnet.
don't underestimated the persistence of Japanese man Will power to hit that SC buttons to something fit their fantasy.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:25:50 2021 No.5340536

>>5340073
No anon, you misunderstand. The suggestion isn't that they move off of Youtube, that is career suicide. Instead, they can continue streaming on YouTube as normal, but also have their own private platform where they stream/upload things that go beyond YouTube's restrictions, maybe even hosting their own paid concerts there as well. Of course, I don't know how expensive setting up and maintaining such a platform would be so I don't know if its even feasible. Though it matter little, as JP companies like Cover are notoriously stubborn in changing their ways so I don't hold out much hope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:26:38 2021 No.5340576 >>5334733 Except hololive always had demonetization issues since 2018 half of gen 2 and gen 4 were demonitized for months

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:27:07 2021 No.5340603 >>5338729 and i have a raging boner for their thots

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:27:29 2021 No.5340625

>>5340379
>Nice way to support the streamers you've got there
You created a straw man by misquoting me. My comment was this:
>If Cover let the girls have their freedom, and if one girl got banned every two years over it, Cover would still probably lose less girls then they would be by making them quit over taking their freedom away. Coco not quitting would be an example. It’s possible to be so controlling that you become the problem

So basically they do more harm to the girls by caging them like animals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:29:39 2021 No.5340727 >>5338799 ethots don't understand anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:31:04 2021 No.5340790 >>5340518 >Coco is easily replaced No, not really. And when the cause of her leaving is the fault of management, maybe management themselves should be replaced? I wonder if someone posting here is management debating me. Funny thought.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:32:27 2021 No.5340850 >>5340225 >NicoNico This is the probably the most sensible solution to the creative freedom problem that anyone in this thread has yet to come up with. What was the reason Cover left again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:35:15 2021 No.5341002 >>5340850 IIRC want to go International. they forget to assess some hafu will go batshits insane and attract some unsavory nuts from the dank meme

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:36:04 2021 No.5341035

>>5335436
>>5336336

You are a retard if you think the people mourning coco are the same people who hate vshojo

There are also a bunch of newfag larpers who joined hololive when holoen was released.

Those people dont even know about asacoco and likely never watched it. Ive seen people who literally said the picture was edited, when given a screen shot of asacoco showing melody

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:37:34 2021 No.5341103 >>5337285 Elaborate?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:37:51 2021 No.5341122 >>5340850 Is NicoNico okay though with the content Hachama does? I don't mind watching them if the talents gives a link on where to watch them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:38:47 2021 No.5341160 >>5337546 Feel bad for the girl. Some retards kept spreading the video of her asmr without context and got banned from retarded reports

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:38:48 2021 No.5341164 >>5340790 This Cover was aiming https://youtu.be/wM-kPro1TGI

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:39:49 2021 No.5341206 >>5337910 99% of holofags are incels, Except for fubuki, matsuri and haachama fans Which barely gets mentioned in vt for reasons you know why

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:41:07 2021 No.5341268 >>5341122 NicoNico has a literal 18+ service that's PPV/sub only.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:41:16 2021 No.5341274 >>5341122 some Ex-AV stars do some weird stuff there. so?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:41:34 2021 No.5341285 >>5340365 nah, fuck clippers, especially the ones in SEA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:43:06 2021 No.5341338 >>5333570 So why doesn't she take her own advice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:44:25 2021 No.5341398 >>5333570 Augmented reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:47:13 2021 No.5341519 >>5341268 it's 18+ but not as free as that sounds. can't show nipples or privates, so it's not a porn service

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:47:44 2021 No.5341541 >>5340850 it wasn't cover per se it was sora's (or achan's) idea to start streaming on yt rather than nnd

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:50:10 2021 No.5341642 >>5341519 you've got DMM(Now Fanza) service for that. well...if Cover or one of the girls want to go that route...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:51:34 2021 No.5341706 >>5341519 I'm pointing out that if shit like actual sex is allowed on NicoNico, much of what Cover used to do in the early days is shit that they can get away with over there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:52:05 2021 No.5341725 >incel https://twitter.com/ and stay there

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:53:37 2021 No.5341791 So how bad is Japanese bureaucracy compared to Americans?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:53:56 2021 No.5341804 >>5341706 at this point I'm started to think that the peoples that shouted "gives the girls more freedom!" is just a clout for them to ask the girls to become a cam whore

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:54:00 2021 No.5341810

>>5341519
Then wouldn't it be safe to stream and archive videos that management doesn't like? They could achieve a middle ground that doesn't restrict the talent's creative freedom while also maintaining sfw image in their YT accounts. On top of the idea from Ame on having a hired clipper to make clips that are safe to be put onto their YT channels. The live or full streams would stay on NND.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:54:27 2021 No.5341831 >>5338799 >Matsuri's/Rushia's/Kanata's/Luna's/Gura's model promotes pedophilia That did not work out for the hammerhead octaroon like she thought it would.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:55:35 2021 No.5341880 >>5341791 Bad but without have to add the SJW things. mostly can be dome with some underhanded tactics like "Business drinking party on your local host clubs"

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:56:59 2021 No.5341940

>>5336420
>People are starting to get bored of minecraft + apex + whatever 2020/2021 triple A game they are playing.

Then watch Kiara. She regularly has jrpg streams. Has regularly talked about how it doesn't get the views and the algorithm hates it, but she doesn't give a fuck because those are the games she wants to play.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 14:57:08 2021 No.5341946

>>5341804
>gives the girls more freedom
Anon, I just want them to be themselves and express their creative ideas on livestreams or videos. Hachaama's shizo arc was really enjoyable and I'm starting to think why can't they make more of them and make a living of it. The idea of expanding their own characters so that it could one day be put onto mediums like Anime, mangas or novels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:02:18 2021 No.5342201 >>5341940 >Has regularly talked about how it doesn't get the views and the algorithm hates it Excuses not used by Ame.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:04:27 2021 No.5342307

>>5341946
>creative
then NND is the only way to do that feasibly.
don't beat around the bush saying "Limited,Caged"
Cover do goes to the directions of Mainstream path to launch Holo into Anime, mangas or novels. and that become a huge gambles when International platform involved i.e YT.
they aim the Japanese Multi Media market where rules different.
an over the edge for Japanese Entertainment Sphere Mainstream will push back that goals miles behind.
Not just Idols but practically any Japanese Showbiz Celebs bound to this rules.
If a scripted edgy Realities show can resulted in such controversies i.e Hana Kimura..RIP
what the chance a niche Otaku's subculture can survives?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:07:56 2021 No.5342483

>>5341946
The weird thing is that Cover doesn’t even need to even leave YouTube right away, since many of the restrictions to the girls (like collabs between Hololive streamers, no swimsuit, etc) are not even the fault of YouTube. They don’t violate the YouTube TOS. This is really just a decision Cover made, likely in response to the China incident.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:09:05 2021 No.5342527 File: 23 KB, 480x272, 42332483036-offset-52960-preview-480x272.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5333570 So about those vtuber hot tub streams... Also, Coco did those onsen streams right?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:09:57 2021 No.5342571

>>5341804
The holo Jp girls do not have much freedom and do not do anything creative; all they do is this game stream, zatsudon, and sing that it and anything else is not allowed.

The closest thing we got to a creative stream is the legend of polka show which is just her talking to staff. They're also the Ozora police stream which she did once three months ago and never touched it again.

Anybody who tries to do anything else gets their project shot down by old Japanese guys. I mean, it happened to Marine, pekora, and coco. Those are just some of the public ones. Even Kanata's morning program where she shills the hololive idols, got shut down. If that did not get approved there, I do not know what will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:10:18 2021 No.5342588 >>5342307 No offense, but I think you should work on your English a bit more.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:11:33 2021 No.5342632

>>5337775
You talk as if the YouTube is consistent in what it wants to censor, ban, or allows to get copystriked.

Look at Kiara. Her account got taken down twice for literally no reason. YouTube is fundamentally broken yet people have to put up with it because it is the effective monopoly on the market.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:11:56 2021 No.5342649 >>5342571 >Anybody who tries to do anything else gets their project shot down by old Japanese guys. I mean, it happened to Marine, pekora, and coco. Haachama too.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:12:58 2021 No.5342693

>>5342483
This
unless some living under the rock or just being denials.

for some it perhaps is just a trivial matters that not worth to fuss about but then there's tons of bat shit insane legions of wolf warriors goes rampage then the opposite side does the same.

Like Holo doesn't have enough problems from their already fuck tons of anti's before.

Imagine IF
they stay in NND.
anyone can goes full Ultra-nationalist right wing nuts Dai Nippons just to be "edgy" and no such magnanimous political stunts we will witness today in holo fandoms.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:15:12 2021 No.5342800

>>5342571
Polka's show is honestly good. Other holos could turn it into something else if they wanted, like maybe Lamy GFE experience on the beach or a Botan zoo visit. All of this could be recorded beforehand. Subaru could also do reddit reviews but on submissions that are related to misbehavings of some Holos.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:17:25 2021 No.5342913

>>5342632
>You talk as if the YouTube is consistent
Nope, I accounted for it. My point is that by the very strong restrictions on the girls by Cover ultimately leads to more girls quitting than YouTube would force out anyway. Even just going back to giving the girls the freedom they once had anyway, could be enough. We already seen that work before. Then if Cover wants, they can make their own steaming site as well. And use both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:20:11 2021 No.5343034 >>5341804 If that's what they want to do then why complain like a faggot?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:20:28 2021 No.5343048 >>5342800 Is Polka's show subbed?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:21:03 2021 No.5343064

>>5342913
Unless the talents literally utter what kind of plans they have that get rejected.

I'm 50/50 thinking it'll involves some potentials serious backlash from whoever may concern.
see the dick interview and the manko dice.

and NO
Pekora doing fans meeting is just seriously No No..it's Japan FFS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:21:24 2021 No.5343079 >>5343034 I’m pretty sure Coco just wants to do what she was allowed to do before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:23:10 2021 No.5343160 >>5343079 And I think she should be able to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:23:37 2021 No.5343182 >>5343048 Yes, recently it got subbed on the premiere.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:26:40 2021 No.5343336

>>5342913
Most of the girls just seem to be very busy in general or don't really aspire to do more (3D shows/concerts, sponsorships, making music/covers, endless meetings and stream prep)
This is not accounting that some of the girls have a life outside of vtubing.
Add in the nightmarish Japanese bureaucratic red tape and they probably don't even want to bother.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:27:41 2021 No.5343382 Do you need someone to lock you in a cage and decide what you can and cannot do, just so you don’t kill yourself? I’m sure if you escaped that situation, no one would blame you at all. Yes it relates, if you get the meaning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:29:23 2021 No.5343461 >>5343382 Asian Idols in the Nutshell

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:31:32 2021 No.5343537 Enma won coco should just accept it and move on

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:31:34 2021 No.5343540 >>5343382 To explain my point^ further, the girls know where the line is, and aren’t likely going to destroy their channels. But if you cage them to prevent something that wouldn’t likely happen anyway, that’s a problem in itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:32:00 2021 No.5343559 >>5343160 The question is what is the true reason behind her being kept from doing said stuff? >preventing another Taiwan yab >advertisers/sponsors being spook't >investors wanting to punish Coco >permissions hell

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:32:55 2021 No.5343594

>>5340492
You're completely missing the point, the games don't matter they all fall into the let's play/playthrough category. One or more Hololive members have done:

ASMR
Let's plays
Watchalongs
Zatsudans
Live Concerts (with VR too)
Skits
Interviews
Karaokes

>There are 99% of content which holoshit never covers
Please provide 700 other type of content that Hololive hasn't done

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:35:30 2021 No.5343681

>>5343336
yet some said they've restricted.
a biased opinions can't perceived that the other possibility why thing happens is incomprehensible.

using a single(Coco) and unique case to generalize quite large 20+ individuals to fit the arguments and the fandom opinions.

I doubt a single 30+yrs old Japanese wage slave rather want to see a batshit hafu shit posting r/dank meme than a clumsy flirty anime JK.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:36:35 2021 No.5343716

>>5342913
> My point is that by the very strong restrictions on the girls by Cover ultimately leads to more girls quitting than YouTube would force out anyway.
I don't disagree but there is a difference in quitting on your own terms vs. getting banned overnight. I do think Cover is being a bitch about being way too heavy handed even for innocuous things.

>Then if Cover wants, they can make their own steaming site as well.
Cover won't make their own streaming site because the vast majority of people use YouTube. It really is as simple as that. Linus Tech Tips made Floatplane and even then Linus has gone on to state that if YouTube goes down they will cease operations.

>>5343064
> Pekora doing fans meeting is just seriously No No..it's Japan FFS.

Peko wanted to do fan meetings? Didn't she have them before already?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:36:49 2021 No.5343724 >>5343559 That's all up to rrats if you want to believe them. All I want is for the talents to never get bored of streaming and constantly challenge themselves to create more stream ideas with their models.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:38:33 2021 No.5343777

>>5343559
My answer is that Cover thinks an uncontrolled Coco is a liability to the company. So what is their mistake in thinking this? The mistake is that by trying to remove all possibility of something going wrong, they themselves made something bad happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:38:53 2021 No.5343792 >>5343594 try to make out with your mom pranks. social experiments what if I (the talents) wearing Aum Shinrikyo emblems on comicket

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:39:41 2021 No.5343821 >>5338234 Subs are worthless if nobody is watching videos anymore

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:40:00 2021 No.5343835 >>5343559 Any proof of the investors wanting to punish Coco or is this speculative rrat with no basis except "READ BETWEEN THE LINES!!!" Cause from what I can gather all their investors are Japanese companies.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:40:25 2021 No.5343862

>>5343716
>Cover won't make their own streaming site because the vast majority of people use YouTube
Not a streaming site per se, but a place only for the talents to go live and have their video archived without fearing the chance of getting banned or their videos getting outright deleted/privated by management because they think sponsors wouldn't like them. Also a place, where they can stream their concerts. But, it's a monumental tasks that even I don't know if they could achieve them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:40:42 2021 No.5343873 >>5343716 >Peko wanted to do fan meetings? Didn't she have them before already? Direct. that some stupid moves even for that rabbit.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:41:07 2021 No.5343891

>>5343716
>Cover won't make their own streaming site because the vast majority of people use YouTube
Actually, what I meant is for Cover to use both. Example: mostly using YouTube until a questionable stream comes up, then using an off-site stream specifically for that stream

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:42:19 2021 No.5343931 Rooster teeth's own video service seems to be the only thing keeping them afloat. Hololive is already more popular than that company I don't see why they can't make their own video site with stuff that might get them banned on youtube.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:43:30 2021 No.5343968 >>5343873 Can Pekora use VRChat to meet fans tho?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:43:56 2021 No.5343984 >>5343835 at this stage it should be obvious the the same rrat is practically have the same opinions stand about the restrictions.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:46:22 2021 No.5344079

>>5343968
Don't know the details.
but that girl have the Idea doing solo fan meeting directly with registered members while she's doing the conversations in the next room.

I mean what could go wrong right?
I don't think the Japanese fans have the skill sets to do some stealthy on site investigations and stake out......right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:46:47 2021 No.5344100 >>5343821 Who's not watching though? Ina is the most vanilla of the Holomems and she still pulls in healthy numbers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:48:30 2021 No.5344166 >>5343873 Is this from her stream where she broke down crying after not having the green light to do a special project for her fans? I'm out of the loop on whatever happened on that one. If so, then yea no sympathy from me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:49:57 2021 No.5344229 >>5343873 That's asking for trouble. Especially in a place like Japan where stalking is a huge issue and police won't do anything until you're dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:51:18 2021 No.5344278 Hololive reminds me of WWE at this point. They have the best talents hands down, but they cripple them creatively for safe $$$ and end up with a mediocre and boring product.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:52:15 2021 No.5344315 >>5344166 Yep

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:53:41 2021 No.5344365 File: 815 KB, 2730x4096, E4PNzUrVkAM9K8G.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5333570 They could do creative or interesting things without having to be vulgar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:54:57 2021 No.5344412 >>5344278 I'm sure they can work on a middle ground that could keep both talents, fans and sponsors happy. They need a literal genius the same as the people from their scouting division for it to work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:56:37 2021 No.5344475 >>5344365 How does that explains Kanata morning show getting shut down when she just talk about the talents you fucking nijifag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 15:57:53 2021 No.5344529 >>5344412 they need Triple H kind of level to do that. Coco had all that potentials to take that role and indeed it seems she's going to just do that but things happens unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:00:09 2021 No.5344613 >>5344365 Thats coward talk. The vulgarity makes it better

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:02:47 2021 No.5344735

>>5344529
Not like she's leaving them literally, she still stays at the Holohouse. Her ideas could still be used and listened by other members who are in the area. It's almost as if she's gonna try experimenting a whole lot of ideas by becoming an indie, see if it's feasible and consult her holo friends if it can be used for their streams. Would be a power move though than being bought by niji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:03:13 2021 No.5344765 >>5344100 >if Ina is family friendly, then it’s proof that there is no other interest for VTubers but that one market. Look she got 12k, which is the whole world. That’s not how it works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:04:04 2021 No.5344807 >>5344475 Why are you asking me and not Cover?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:33:50 2021 No.5346437 >>5343792 haha jokes on you i dont think comiket is gonna happen this year either

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:42:34 2021 No.5346960

>>5339076
Anonchama.. it's a force decisions they have to make, it mostly because
>Mels design
>Hachama and Choco asmr
Keep getting them banned by yt. They cant risk it even more so nowdays when the girls has racking in hundreds of thousands to millions of subscriber. That's why being familly friendly is the best route as it also appeal more to the general public

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:43:35 2021 No.5347004 >>5344765 The argument is that if girls aren't free to be creative and do completely off-the-wall stuff their viewerbase would completely disappear and wither away. So show me who has been affected to that extent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:48:38 2021 No.5347311 >>5342307 日本人ですか?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:50:24 2021 No.5347441 >>5340007 THIS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:51:04 2021 No.5347487 >>5342571 >Even Kanata's morning program where she shills the hololive idols, got shut down. Are there any rrats for this one? It was the most innocuous thing. How could there possibly be any problems with it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 16:51:29 2021 No.5347521 >>5347311 Nope I'm a acute weebs. and I'm proud

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 17:08:36 2021 No.5348492

>>5339585
So you're saying that letting the Holos roll the dice on being banned and if they get banned and lose all their income and have to start all over from scratch that's better than letting them quit on their own terms? Ironically this is corporate talk. You're seeing the girls as numbers anon.

Also, this entire argument is an extrapolation from an N of 1. Bring it up when the next Holo graduates and maybe you'll have more foundation to your argument. So far what other JP Holomem has given hard evidence of them considering graduating as a result of these restrictions? Show me the proof beyond "LEARN TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES".

I don't disagree that Cover is being overly heavy-handed with its management but when your argument falls arounds if and buts and seeing talents as numbers its pretty weak.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 17:42:35 2021 No.5350421 >>5335436 Truly. Japanese VShojo is exactly what this board wants they're just too stupid to realise it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 17:44:31 2021 No.5350513 >>5333570 Coco is a dumb cunt who wants to fuck up the medium, what else is new?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:05:37 2021 No.5351518 >>5347487 Nothing, she didn't get shut down, she just realised why coco stopped doing asacoco, it's a massive pain and you gain nearly nothing from it

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:06:34 2021 No.5351557

>>5346960
>Hachama and Choco asmr got them removed from YouTube
But they are still on YouTube. If they did cross a line, they can then better learn where the line is for themselves. They don’t need to become Disney.
>That's why being familly friendly is the best route
Anime and VTubing is not kids only.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:11:41 2021 No.5351743

>>5351557
>Hachama and Choco asmr got them removed from YouTube
>But they are still on YouTube. If they did cross a line, they can then better learn where the line is for themselves. They don’t need to become Disney.

where?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1CfXB_kRs3C-zaeTG3oGyg/playlists
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1suqwovbL1kzsoaZgFZLKg/videos

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:15:57 2021 No.5351894

>>5348492
>letting the Holos roll the dice
There are no dice. The girls would behave similar to how they were before the restrictions.
>if they get banned
They were fine before the restrictions. It’s more just Cover wanting to push for family friendly content.
>Just because Coco left over management, does mean Haachama will
Maybe, and maybe not. It’s certainly more likely, since they gave her a hard time too.
>I don't disagree that Cover is being overly heavy-handed
You seem to think it doesn’t hurt Cover, when it has already hurt Cover.

Coco just flat out said she was afraid management was going to stop her from even mentioning that management censors every little thing they do. She is clearly frustrated over it, and told the other girls to fight them on it.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:18:42 2021 No.5351996

>>5351894
>Coco just flat out said she was afraid management was going to stop her from even mentioning that management censors every little thing they do. She is clearly frustrated over it, and told the other girls to fight them on it.
She's Said
at this very point there's already opinions formed that somehow all other talents in Cover is bunch of brainless meek gutless Japanese girls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:19:27 2021 No.5352033 >>5351743 >Coco is not on YouTube Yes she is. Maybe there is a communication problem? My point is they (Coco and Haachama) are not removed/banned from YouTube. Hence there is no clear issue. And what little fuss they get, they can better learn from.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:27:26 2021 No.5352438
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>>5351518
No she did got shut down she tweeted about it on April 27 2021.

Kanata said due to new rules and checking by staff required it will have to be postpone until further notice. Have not heard about it since then.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:29:08 2021 No.5352501

>>5352033
NO
your point is Cover suck because they doesn't let the girls do shit post on YT
for someone that "brags" enough being the rebels with a cause shtick She's seems more like twitch attentions seeker than a bold Content creators.
during her early debut days I've had a high hopes that she's somehow do some over the top anime and manga critics shows that basically trashing all the current trends in the genre's.
the high potentials it will draw attractions world wide since it's a genuine anime girls from genuine Japan and not some neckbeard weebs doing the talks is a sight to behold.
but no.....butt plug pranks it is.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:38:10 2021 No.5352860

>>5352501
>your point is Cover suck because they doesn't let the girls do shit post on YT
Shit post? Another communication error? Coco said management censors every little thing they do, and even thought she would be censored for just saying that comment. Which is pretty crazy. She wants to return to the freedom she once had. Gura too makes comments about how management made it harder to upload videos by needing every little thing pre-approved. We are not them, so we can only go by their revealed frustration over management. Maybe Haachama leaves next? I don’t know. Obviously there is a problem with management.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:48:40 2021 No.5353246

>>5352860
>Coco said management censors every little thing they do, and even thought she would be censored for just saying that comment
ahem...the Wolf Warrior things remember?
>Gura too makes comments about how management made it harder to upload videos by needing every little thing pre-approved
I mean I can almost find Taiwan no 1, Fuck CCP, China Anti's,and occasionally some shady casino online spams on almost every streams Hololive had.

1 fucked up badly, any sane management level will be incompetence to try at least "manage" the situations to avoid any similar bat shit ridiculous thing happens again..No?

What Guarantee anyone have if things doesn't goes escalate?
I doubt no one already notice that the southern parts of Coco's past will somehow snaps and escalates things.
think IF she's suddenly make Winnie The Pooh jokes.
for you may be it's funny but the rest of the Holomems including Cover will get the unwanted attentions and the fandom will be more convoluted than it already was with the current Political BS.
you can always yelling Glass the Chinks everywhere but for someone business and the talents efforts to be recognized this is a death sentences.
anyone will notice Hololive and VTuber as general is the Alt breeding grounds.
next you know some Western Left media take editorials coverage in the negative way.
you want Gamergate 2.0?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:51:49 2021 No.5353354 >>5339332 please take your meds

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:53:49 2021 No.5353429 >>5353246 >and occasionally some shady casino online spams on almost every streams Hololive had. If it counts for anything, that spammer has appeared on lots of non-Hololive streams.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 18:57:36 2021 No.5353568 >>5353429 it's a "Jork"

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:04:18 2021 No.5353771

there plenty of inovation to do, not only with just proprs.
Legend of polka and watame no uta are good examples.
As other have said management is so strickt becasue peple will look for the smallest thing to bring the girls or hololive down.MArines and Miko bl situation is pretty much the best example of how people used a small thing to try hurt the girls.
However that doesnt mean that there wont be new things to do. EN pushing for non hololive collabs, charity streams. Marine does plenty of lewd shitposts, subaru also tries to push new things Aki aero bike on twitcast, miko watchalogns on twitch. That is the point of coco tries to make, management is afraid of many things and you should push them too as many times as possible. If hachama schizo ark came back then other things can also be done.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:09:00 2021 No.5353927

>>5353771
This
now the problems is somehow the rrat doesn't acknowledge this as a "progress" but a "backward" since it's not including butt plug stunts or "Good Morning Mother Fuckers"
They don't realized that by keep doing that denials they also do disservices to what Coco is trying to achieved to.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:23:43 2021 No.5354352

>>5353927
>removing freedom is progress.
>freedom is similar to sexual toys, which means freedom is bad.
>”good morning mother fuckers” is swearing, and that is bad.
Are you sure this is the right website for you? Also Hololive should hire you to be part of their family friendly crusade. You can remove Haachama next.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:25:02 2021 No.5354389 >>5333570 this en manager cunt is part of the reason Coco is leaving. >I got ghosted. Coco's literal words in a zatsudan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:27:08 2021 No.5354470 >>5344278 Good analogy, this is why ECW always had a better product.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:33:02 2021 No.5354694

>>5354352
>Are you sure this is the right website for you?
are you?
I don't find pushing the rrat about Cover should go back as FousyTube while they're aiming to become AKS(heck even AK-47 MEME still aiming for Budokan) is all time bad.
Not everyone onboard with how cover goes Idols route by the time 2nd Gen get Introduced.
but that was the decisions and anyone that willingly signed up for sure know what it will become.

Don't you and any rrat notice that the only 2 that somehow got "sidelined" is the one that NOT inherently knows what the Idols and Otaku's cultures in Japan.
Haato had her insight on how it will become and notices why she's the least "frantic" after the whole incident of Taiwan.
AFAIK it's obvious why the only one that the loudest is the one that not actually from Japan should tell the whole story.
now that's should be aproper and more debatable rrat.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:34:04 2021 No.5354733

>>5354389
she also said she understand the situation, part of the "i grew too big". And the "we are a team" .
People keep saying things about cover going family friendly and safe but marine, aki and polka shows there is plenty of space to do different things. Coco alwasy callenged management even on her first year. Girls will keep doing it too, and callenge themselves over what tey can do for entertainment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:38:17 2021 No.5354879 What the fuck is wrong with this thread, why can't anyone speak English. Also management should stick to paperwork, if they knew anything about being a talent they should be streaming instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:41:58 2021 No.5354990 >>5342693 Why do wolf whiners actually matter? Worse shit gets spammed in Vshojo chats

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:42:09 2021 No.5354996

>>5354879
the people will complain about management not doing anything abut reviewing content like what happened with asacoco andtaiwan yab.
Are they overprotective? yeah
but also holive has enough precedents for that to be the case. is just a matter of girls keep trying

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:47:38 2021 No.5355136 >>5353354 There is an actual YT channel of a gay guy up putting things up his ass. It became known during a banwave because people were saying how come you don't ban that and yt just shrugged.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:48:29 2021 No.5355160

>>5354694
>Don't you and any rrat notice that the only 2 that somehow got "sidelined" is the one that NOT inherently knows what the Idols and Otaku's cultures in Japan.
So you know, I cannot understand much of what you’re saying. What Coco said about management wasn’t an rrat, as it was confirmed by Coco herself. Her own words.

Are you a Japanese manager for Cover trying to argue with me? I say this because I cannot figure out why you’re here trying to argue this through what is a clear language barrier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:48:39 2021 No.5355165 >>5333570 Honestly fuck Coco, she just wants Hololibe to become Adult Swim. Im tirwd of her just encouraging bullshit, if she want to he Vshoujo then go to Vshoujo. Im glad she's graduating.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:50:22 2021 No.5355212

>>5354879
>What the fuck is wrong with this thread, why can't anyone speak English.
I think it’s just one guy. He’s arguing on the side of Cover against Coco, but it’s very hard to understand much of what he’s trying to convey. I just get bits and pieces.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:53:56 2021 No.5355307 >>5355165 Holy fuck you purityfags are so boring.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:54:21 2021 No.5355321
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>>5333570
To play devil's advocate Coco can say this but I think part of the reality is like half if not 3/4ths of Holomen are actually just not that creative and have a sanctioned personal thing they prefer (singing or zatsudans, maybe some specific game niche etc etc) and then do whatever everyone else is up to lately. Toeing the line and going with what the company wants is precisely how Japanese tend to work. In other words she can project her ambitions onto the rest of the Holos but that doesn't at all mean that they're all secretly like her just waiting to blossom. Some of them are probably satisfied with how things are if for example they personally enjoy zatsudans most and are already allowed to do that all they want like Lamy's drinking streams etc. A lot of the more out-there things that could be done already have been, like Haachama's cooking streams, viewer room reviews, viewer fashion reviews etc. Most Holos just don't follow up on these potential types even though they could be real entertaining. So why not? Either individual managers are actually hugely variable in control or they just don't actually have that drive to try every type of variety/interaction.

For example do you really expect someone outright half-assing their effort like Shion or Ayame to come up with an innovative idea for a stream? What about some untouchable pillar expected to set the standards and uphold expectations like Fubuki or Sora? Even if Fubuki had some weird ideas it'd either go over very well or kind of cross-examined harshly if it wasn't a fantastic stream, like people would think she's just looking for a gimmick to regain popularity or wasing our time on dumb stuff. What about Holos who had their niche and basically entire purpose/aims for streams totally fucked over like Choco and Mel's ASMR and overall sexy streams? They might not have a lot of ideas that would be viable anymore not because of Cover but Youtube.

>tl;dr Coco may have an unrealistic idea of the drive/ambition of the various other Holos and is trying to poke at a stodgy obey the laws, don't question leadership, your seniors/superiors are always right mentality that's endemic to Japan overall

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 19:58:53 2021 No.5355449

>>5355212
https://thelawreviews.co.uk/title/the-media-and-entertainment-law-review/japan
another references
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Japan#Internet_censorship_and_surveillance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan
example case
https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/english/research/domestic/20170501_10.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/11/18/national/media-national/broadcast-ethics-panel-chides-tbs-says-show-violated-scandal-hit-composer-samuragochs-rights/

try to deals with this kind of leash while doing your SNL stunts

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:03:38 2021 No.5355642 >>5355449 none of this means miko can't say FAQ

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:05:35 2021 No.5355715

>>5355321
>are actually just not that creative
Coco wants less restrictions, and that can itself lead to more available choices, which then amounts to creative freedom. What the girls do with it remains to be seen. Well actually, they may never get it. That is a problem since it apparently leads to the girls leaving.

Overall, she may be driven to do what she finds fun, and not be restricted to things she doesn’t find fun. Which is another factor.
>>5355449
>read a bunch of links
You have made no claim for which to provide me links. I don’t know what you want. That censorship is good? That it is bad?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:08:24 2021 No.5355849

>>5355642
FAQ is love FAQ is Life.
see there's always be a loop holes to exploits.
and now let's add the rrats.

What exactly make the "bold and genius" Dragons suddenly backed out?

She's surely have the "Intelligent" and "Virtue" to overcome the mere corporate obstacles since she's so bright.
and the China Anti's surely won't stop harassing Hololive even if she's out and absolutely won't stop coming after her second life.

also like someone said
>Why bother the Wolf Whiners?"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:08:54 2021 No.5355883 I just realized… I’m going to be pissed if that anti-Coco guy who doesn’t speak good English, was just a Chinese guy who hates Coco. That feels like wasted time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:09:04 2021 No.5355894 >>5352438 What the hell kind of checks do they need to run on an idol gushing radio show? What sort of rules are being enforced to delay a show shilling your own talents? Man management is pants on head retarded what the fuck

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:11:05 2021 No.5355997

>>5355715
>read a bunch of links
>You have made no claim for which to provide me links. I don’t know what you want. That censorship is good? That it is bad?
You seriously Joking right?
I'm pointing the vast amount of Bureaucracy that Cover and the Talents had to dealt with if some jack ass old guy in the Japanese Ethic Media watchdog see something unsavory.
literal banned from operating in any forms.
I doubt any you anon had the resource to supports and feds both of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:12:20 2021 No.5356065 >>5355849 >What exactly make the "bold and genius" Dragons suddenly backed out? Because Coco would rather leave then be their slave? Dragons aren’t dogs that you can walk around on a leash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:14:00 2021 No.5356144 >>5355849 I said the wolf whiners were irrelevant, not to leave them alone. Hound them, doxx them, whatever you can do to make them scream.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:15:58 2021 No.5356227

>>5356065
so what's the rrats now then?
she's signed for the job that she don't know what she's going into?
or
she's confidently "dare" to take the challenge but suddenly feels "it's not how I want to be" ?

and Instead comes out clear to just pointed directly in public she's chose the "Membership Only" Paywall.

I can't think anything than she's cashing in for that reasoning though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:18:06 2021 No.5356327 >>5356144 I said on how Coco should act on that issue. you and anyone can do anything about that also.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:18:09 2021 No.5356333

>>5355997
>Japanese Ethic Media watchdog see something unsavory
What’s your point? Conformity to whoever complains the loudest? Am I complaining loud enough for you to confirm to my wishes? Not sure how you want to work that. Meaning that people are mad at Cover for the restrictions and what happened to Coco, which means that’s a cost Cover might have to consider conforming to as well (basically change the evil management).

I’m saying complaining works both ways. It can cause Cover to be more restrictive, but if that gets them in trouble (and it has), it could cause them to be less restrictive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:20:39 2021 No.5356456 >>5356333 I'm afraid that's how Japanese Company works. I think you or anyone that somehow got into this Japanese Entertainment Fandom should already know by now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:23:02 2021 No.5356580 >>5356456 I’m confused. So you agree with this statement: >I’m saying complaining works both ways. It can cause Cover to be more restrictive, but if that gets them in trouble (and it has), it could cause them to be less restrictive.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:25:24 2021 No.5356730

>>5356580
Yes
Indeed
the problems is.
a middle age morally questioned Japanese bureaucrats have more weight in his opinions compares to overseas "fans" that ranting over in the Internet.
unless the same Old Japanese guy have similar Opinion with the mentioned random guy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:29:52 2021 No.5357008 What's stopping Cover from giving Japan the finger and leaving to do their own thing?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:32:10 2021 No.5357145

>>5357008
Being based in Japan, being majority Japanese staff, being a Japanese corporation, having many Japanese business contacts... The "censorship" can't solely be sweaty Japanese bureaucrats lording down from on high. A part of it is Japanese people making media for Japanese people the way Japanese people expect their media to behave and operate.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:32:22 2021 No.5357153

>>5356730
>Yes
If worrying about everything causes a company to restrict itself into losing important members, even to somewhat hurting their image (especially with Coco saying what she did), then the clarity of the matter has already been made known. It was a poor management decision that cost them a high income earner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:33:10 2021 No.5357204 >>5357008 here go ask him https://twitter.com/tanigox

>>	Lamy Sat Jun 19 20:34:56 2021 No.5357290 Hololive should create it's own private platform

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:37:11 2021 No.5357402

>>5357153
I don't think you follows Japan Idols Cultures and Japan Entertainment in general.

AKB48 Graduations.
add "Controversial" on it on Google.
you'll see both the Corpo side and the cast amount of fame hungry and talented peoples in Japan is no joke.
it may sounds stings and hurts but there's a "Coco" out there in the uncharted wasteland of Japan online streamer scene.
all they need is the correct person to find one.

>>	Pomu Sat Jun 19 20:41:06 2021 No.5357625 File: 1.29 MB, 864x1536, E1g4DDDUcAESni1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5333570 >and to fuck management Where do I sign up?

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:43:48 2021 No.5357770

>>5357402
>add "Controversial" on it on Google.
Add “shark attack” into google. Funny thing huh, you would think everyone was being eaten by sharks. So much data for such a big world.

Anyway, if you admit that Cover could reap punishment or loss of reputation for what it did to Coco, maybe you should be asking for a change of management? If it cancels each other out (if you get my meaning), then don’t waste my time with this nonsense.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:49:08 2021 No.5358058

>>5341103
Oga made a bootleg slightly more family friendly NKODICE in RPGmaker, NKODICE dev heard about this chimped out took rights to stream game from everyone for like a day or so and Cover likely Oga forced to take down the stream and vanish for awhile into Cover doing naked Dogeza

thats the general jist of it. Oga still isnt back iirc

theres a bit of other things that happened but that is major parts

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:51:48 2021 No.5358193 >>5333570 have sex live on stream

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:52:33 2021 No.5358230 >>5355165 Nice, finally someone with a brain and not retard acting like a white knight

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:52:55 2021 No.5358253 >>5357770 ..................... Now I'm definitely sure you are the newfag type that comes to the fandom after the Taiwan Incident.

>>	Lamy Sat Jun 19 20:56:39 2021 No.5358479 >>5355165 Muh Japanese idols should be pure Fuck off fag

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:57:03 2021 No.5358503
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>>5358253
>I have no argument, so I’m resorting to calling you names.
Let me break this down in simple terms for you:
1. If Coco got by okay in the past with less restrictions, then it is already confirmed to work.
2. Restricting Coco has been confirmed a failure, because it caused her to leave.
Conclusion: replace the low IQ management.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 20:57:36 2021 No.5358533 >>5358479 >Muh Japanese idols should be pure >Fuck off Chicom Fixed

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 21:01:15 2021 No.5358766

>>5355165
im in the camp that doesnt want hololive to just be another vshojo but coco alone is not that, she is fairly vulgar when she wants to be but she is also sweet and great talker when it came to collabs that werent shit review, she added a nice spice to the mix of hololive that will just be forever gone in this continued sterilization of Hololive.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 21:02:46 2021 No.5358862

>>5358503
>1. If Coco got by okay in the past with less restrictions, then it is already confirmed to work.
Yes then Shit happens that they(Cover) assess it to be unfit to continuing.
>2. Restricting Coco has been confirmed a failure, because it caused her to leave.
Yes for Coco Part only, the other girls seems fine with the exceptions of Haato(speculatively) and recent "rise" of Aqua Anti's
>Conclusion: replace the low IQ management.
Yes agree
replace with someone that had the clear visions, means and connections on how to make AK-47 fandom wars against AKB-48 fandom a Reality!!
it's more "prestigious" fandom wars than some twitch girls fan wars.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 21:50:03 2021 No.5361616

>>5358862
>Yes, then shit might happen someday…
That’s general to life as a whole. The point was that it already was proven to work. While restricting Coco was proven to fail, because she left over it.
>Yes Coco is gone because of management, and maybe Haachama is next…
That’s a problem.

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 21:59:16 2021 No.5361988

>>5358533
>>5355165
>>5354733
>>5353771
>>5350513

>chang tourists

Its no coincidence that the second coco graduates everyone starts shitting in her, especially now when you chinks all come here from bilibili to fuel the flames.
Funny that no one ever talks about coco doing prude stuff before this month, then the second she announced
graduation this shit happens

Anonymous Sat Jun 19 22:11:46 2021 No.5362466

>>5361616
for their respective fans not for Holo, Cover and the other girls as general.

are you deliberately assuming Holo will go down without AsaCoco or SchizoChama?
are you deliberately downplays the efforts and talents of the rest of the Holomems?

bold of you assuming the only way peoples flocking to Holo's can only be because and only coco and haato.

then let me be very quite frank to you.
Coco is nothing in the overall goals of the world 1st Full Anime Concept Idol Groups.
if getting rid one problematic excess baggage that will turn the "Idols" parts of this mega efforts from every Holomems into some silly gimmicks and never will be taken as serious as what "Idols" should be then be it.
I'm sure there's fuck tons of peoples that on board with me.

You're completely ignores the facts that some if not most of the members DO want to have the Respectable "Idols" dreams comes true.
Respectable as in it will makes AKB-48 runs for their money.

If you and any similar mind thinking that having Coco's is what makes Holo's great and without her Holo's will NEVER have that opportunities.
I said that as an obvious arrogant attitude from someone that comes from r/dank meme.

AKB-48 got FHuge without having to resort to juvenile slapstick swearing and relies only to the forever alone sorry ass Japanese herbivores.
A Full Meta Anime Girls that fit's every single one Shonen and Ecchi shits absolutely will make it big with the same audience targets and of course a sane and sensible managements.

TL;DR
I like Coco and having her quit really shattered my dreams about Holo versions of AKB World Senbatsu when all gens is there and we cheers "Finally!!" but her "fans" is just a bunch of left over Gamergate shits that start ruining others politics neutrals peoples hobbies.
Call me IdolFags IDGAF. it's more honorable than some over reaching drones of Cold war era shits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 22:45:20 2021 No.5363554 Is this what Cover's management does instead of getting permissions? Try to astroturf on a malaysian fence-painting forum in broken english?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 22:57:22 2021 No.5363998 >>5362466 >You asked to be called one, but otherwise made good points. Idolfag

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 22:58:55 2021 No.5364058 >>5363998 Thank you AK-47 Yay!!! AK!!! YAY!!! AK!!! YAY!! with me!!! AK-47!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 19 22:59:57 2021 No.5364098 the worst thing ina ever did was make a cute version of the shitty en manager

Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:11:58 2021 No.5368874

>>5362466
>are you deliberately assuming Holo will go down someday
What I know is that Cover took unnecessary loss do to poor management, and that it’s headed in a dangerous direction.
>bold of you assuming the only way peoples flocking to Holo's can only be because and only coco and haato.
I never said that. However, sacrificing them at the altar of being controversy free, isn’t a controversy free path at all. Obviously they may have to pay the piper eventually.
>Coco’s "fans" are just a bunch of left over Gamergate shits
I don’t understand. Are you using “Gamergate” here as another word for toxic? I suppose I’m getting a better insight. You’re seem easily offended, and want to remove elements within Cover that you consider “toxic”. I guess you were moralfagging the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:15:25 2021 No.5369044 >>5363998 Actually, he was determined to be moralfagging.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:17:54 2021 No.5369141 Honestly, pretty surprised that management let Ame use a fan-made 3D model and use steamvr tracking

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:20:12 2021 No.5369250 >>5362466 Is this anon roleplaying his post as Yagoo...?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:23:17 2021 No.5369388 >>5335800 This is fucking autistic. Can you elaborate beyond those scenarios? No. There's nothing you can make out of that. They're just a voice and avatar.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:25:33 2021 No.5369484 >>5369250 Who knows. He doesn’t speak English well and uses Reddit spacing. He also hates Coco and Haachama in particular. Make of it what you will.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:31:17 2021 No.5369720 >>5369484 I am truly impressed by the creativity of his bait

Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:33:49 2021 No.5369822

>>5344412
>>5344529
I'm 100% convinced this is the whole reason they brought Polka onboard. Absolutely S+ tier entertainer, gets along well with pretty much every other talent, really REALLY good at getting sponsorship money. Nene looks to be growing into something that fills that role as well but only time will tell.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 00:39:52 2021 No.5370088 >>5369720 lul Haters gonna hate AK-47 YAY!! AK-47 YAY!! AK-47 YAY!! AK!!!! YAY!! 47!!! YAY!! With ME!!!! AK-47!!!! YAY!!!

Anonymous Sun Jun 20 01:17:37 2021 No.5371799

>>5334255
I can't believe faggots still believe in the idol meme when marine says the shit she does so often. or any of the other shit that goes on.
I guess this is the clipfag curse.
>>5334733
talking about things anon doesn't understand, because it involves not trying to live in /b/. for anonymous, whom has lived so long with the idea of being untouchable due to a system that avoids tying anything back to it's poster beyond a given thread's lifespan, the idea of having to deal with consequences for one's action is unthinkable.
but chuubas have rules and limits because they're dependant on a platform whose rules are more developed and actually enforced, stupid though they may be. and those working for a company have more than themselves alone to think about when pushing against rules. moreso for those whom are with a company, since the support you get comes with it's own set of rules even before the company itself says anything. and there isn't a good way out on that, because setting up your own streaming platform is no small task, and even if you get one going, you still have to get people to actually visit it. in an age where joe public, who pays the bills, always schools to the biggest/most familiar site for anything of a given sort, that's likewise no small task.
but anon thinks all chuubas should do whatever and just hope they never get the hammer and end up having to start over again and again while trying to get around their chosen platform's bans and whatever rules about ban avoidance may exist. because anon is used to getting away with everything. because nothing on 4chan is specifically tied to you.
>>5335595
>nu-haaton continuing to insist the schizochama arc was good
ngmi
>>5336420
>Cover nowadays is so scared of copyright that they won’t even let korone play NES games from companies that don’t exist anymore.
thank disney for that one, as well as the rules involved with streaming while attached to a company. as noted, the support that comes from being with somebody comes at a cost, and part of that is needing explicit permission to mess with a given company's stuff. if you can't contact the rightsholder for permssion and you're not an indie? you ain't playing it on stream.
>>5337376
>trying to dodge copyright
>by going to the platform that muted metallica playing their own music, out of fear of getting DMCA'd about it
funnee joek.
>>5339585
>it's another "coco quitting heralds the final yab and death of hololive!" shitposter
yawn.
>>5340225
>>5340850
>>5342307
>NND
oh so you want to have to be a paying member of the streaming platform to view anything above 240p, then?
>>5340625
except they don't, and aren't, and one talent quitting because she can't be edgy isn't the collapse of hololive.
>>5340790
honestly her own fault for wanting to act like someone who can just try to bandodge when she gets punted by YT.
>>5342483
>aaAaaAAAAaa it's the changs!
(you)
>>5342571
ogey rrat.
>>5344166
peko never specified what she wanted to do that got noped - just that some of the other girls got the okay to do the same thing, whatever it was. seeing as none of the others have done that kind of "discard opsec" thing, you can safely presume you're talking to a rrat.
>>5354389
>>5364098
that "EN manager cunt" is exclusively ina's manager, you fucking mongoloid. do your reps instead of snorting rrats 24/7.
>>5355165
>vshoujo
it's "vshojo". "shoujo" is girl. "shojo" is virgin. which is fucking hilarious because most of vshojo are known to fuck prodigiously.
>>5356333
>what's your point? they have to follow laws? what kind of pussy follows laws?
(you) are a blight.
>>5358503
>nothing ever changes
(you) are retarded.
>>5362466
>are you deliberately assuming Holo will go down without AsaCoco or SchizoChama?
>are you deliberately downplays the efforts and talents of the rest of the Holomems?
that's exactly what those particular shitposters are doing, yes. insisting only those two are relevant.

Anonymous Sun Jun 20 01:30:16 2021 No.5372427

>>5371799
>it's another coco quitting heralds…
Actually no. I’m saying that it was already a costly and unnecessary risk. Threads like these, and comments by Coco and others, are not what Cover was going for.
>one talent quitting isn't collapse
Of course not, it’s called taking damage.
>they have to follow laws?
Actually his point was mob rule. Your one sentence comment after misquoting everyone isn’t very useful. But I understand. You must create a straw man each time because you’re on the losing side of the argument.

Anonymous Sun Jun 20 01:46:33 2021 No.5372911

>>5371799
>oh so you want to have to be a paying member of the streaming platform to view anything above 240p, then?
Well at least with the Paywalls some obvious unsavory tards need to spent their hard earning cash to make a mess on the platform and that will be hilarious.
>that's exactly what those particular shitposters are doing, yes. insisting only those two are relevant.
nah mate, some does but some just doesn't get how Japan Showbiz works. there's definitely shady things happens and the new hip of online entertainment doesn't immune and isolated to the whole scenes. I'm giving my 2 cents that Coco actually not that batshit insane going all edgy just because. I sincerely thanks her efforts to make the whole Fulls Anime Meta Idols group nearer to the Budokan and honestly her retirement also upset me but the attitude of the rrat is really insufferable and somehow got me thinking She's got some ego Boost from such crowds that something weird is getting into her head and I assume someone in Holo's mgmt she's having the Celebs syndromes that perhaps on their judgement can't be let loose to do anything as she's usually does.

Anonymous Sun Jun 20 01:55:45 2021 No.5373204

>>5372427
>Actually his point was mob rule
Yes and no
Mob rule in Japan..yes but rarely but yes it does happens as same as any Business that relies on public to use/purchase their products....so basically Yes and contrary to the perceptions and stigma of "mobs" as in "violence riots" the Japanese have quite overwhelming persistence to stay within the Law boundaries...but again there's some "rare" cases of burning things in the past year.
>Of course not, it’s called taking damage.
Yes I agree but a Company that have all the intentions and goals to become Big in the finicky business such Showbiz must experience and survives this kind of drama and struggles or else the nature of the Showbiz itself will wiped them cleans.
Honestly this Coco issues isn't really the worst that happens and perhaps will ever happens. God forbid but the possibility one of the talents, managements, boards ,investors etc. got caught in some serious drug issues or another morally wrong scandals according to the Japanese society norms is still looming as by products for such a "glamorous" fields of Showbiz.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 01:57:45 2021 No.5373249 >>5347311 No , I am Seanigger passing by

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 02:33:24 2021 No.5374125 Creativity comes from limitation but i can see coco being the type of person who wants freedom and doesn't take no as an answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 03:14:16 2021 No.5375012 >>5333570 If you really want to see creative, Amelia does that like with her recent VR stream. You can be innovative without having to appeal to vulgarity like Kiara tries.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 08:21:03 2021 No.5380646 There aren't many creative chuubas in the industry, hololive specially

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