How long till the collapse?

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3-4 years

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>>5309512
you misspelled weeks

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There are many factors to consider, but Korone is almost certainly retiring, she thought about it for a while
Marine mentioned something about thinking about the future
Subaru ... she could graduate tomorrow and we would know absolutely nothing about her anymore (which is a shame)

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>>5309822
Subaru graduating will be a true pain for me...

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>>5310011
Same... Im Subatomo, she's the only hololive vtuber I see

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It is going to be slow and painful. There are a lot of issues at Cover.

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>>5309512
>No Aqua
>No Fubuki
>No Matsuri
Newfag hands made this image.

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>>5309822
Subaru is actually getting more engrossed and absorbed in the company.

>Korone
>Marine
Please be wrong, I want at least a few more years with them...

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>>5309512
Holy new...

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>>5310506
> Aqua
Just no
> Fubuki
She made some viral memes, but scatman simply cannot compare to Miko saying the N word, or events of the like. She is important but ultimately she is no pillar, much less a foundation.
> Matsuri
She is the one who made the most people fall into le rabbit hole, but ultimately she is only carried by clipfags, also ever since festivaluna stopped being a thing, she hasn't been important at all.

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Well, if the JP side crumbles away, HoloEN can still continue

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>>5310774
Can you explain why the fuck Subaru is here instead of Fubuki ?

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>>5310774
>Fubuki
>She is important but ultimately she is no pillar, much less a foundation.
What does this dude smokes?

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>>5309512
Cocofags+Chamafags spotted

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>>5310830
exactly! can't wait for them to move the hololive offices to the united states and start accepting anyone mentally unstable and celebrating pride month

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>Subaru
yes, she has gotten a lot of clips this past month... wait, OP began watching hololive clips since a month ago? what a surprise

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>>5310774
>I don't watch them

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>>5310774
anon, only a newfag would say Fubuki is not a pillar, or in your picture foundation would be more accurate. Put Fubuki as foundation in place of Haachama, who was never a foundation, and was actually somewhat forgettable until she headed to australia. Korone is popular with fans, but she is also not central enough to the talents to be a pillar.I don't think there is anyone esle who could really be called a pillar... maybe Mio if you're going to include Subaru, as both are supportive behind the scenes.

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>>5311098
Botan is pretty important for gen 5.

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>>5311098
I feel that Korone can't be considered a pillar because she feels completely disconnected from the rest of hololive, if it weren't for her okayumance I feel like she'd have next to nothing to do with Hololive

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>>5311207
That is true, but not outside of it. Not saying they are isolated, just that they haven't had THAT big an impact as a gen, though they are also one of the most 'equal' gens and probably one of the tightest gens in the company. I'd sooner Include Amelia, or maybe Gura if you want to consider that she was a huge gateway...but I don't think EN is central enough to be considered that either yet. Really just goes to show how hypercompetent and hardworking Coco was to have had so much influence while being part of gen 4, up to even giving advice to aqua in gen 2.

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>>5310774
Aqua was literally the first one to consistently get 20k+ viewers until Pekora, Korone, and Coco overtook her you newfag redditard.

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The whole point of idol generations is that graduating members can get steadily replaced. They'll be fine.

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>>5310774
>> Matsuri
>She is the one who made the most people fall into le rabbit hole

There is no factual basis for this statement.

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>>5309822
You could always follow her sister. Plus she's started to like streaming enough that someone, at least 2chan or 5ch, would probable recognize her.

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>>5311098
>until she headed to Australia
Newfag calling out other newfags I see

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>>5309512
Replace Fubuki with Marine.

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AKB48 members are graduating!
oh no they are collapsing!

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>>5312075
Now that you mentioned AKB48 how often are their graduations?
I know nothing about idol culture but assume Hololive could have a similar approach being from the same country.

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>>5312220
https://akb48.fandom.com/wiki/Former_Members

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>>5312267
And here I thought american bands switching up their drummers and guitarists were hard to follow...

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>>5310011
>Subaru graduating will be a true pain for me...
Yeah, with Coco gone, all I would have is Ollie.
Maybe Kiara, but she shines in collabs mostly.

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>>5312342
Stop making Subaru look bad with these terrible funposts.

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>>5312310
That’s why most people just care about a limited number of members and not everyone

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>>5309512
in that picture, sora and miko are holding hands. yuri confirmed?

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>>5312310
Why do you think idolfags only follow a few members and not the entire group? It's unrealistic.
It's like asking a nijifag to follow all 180+ (I'm including China since AKB48 has a similar roster size) talents.

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>>5309512
Miko should be under Pekora's feet

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Bedrock
>Sora
>Miko
>Fubuki
>Matsuri

Pillars (Post Azur Lane collab era)
>Marine
>Pekora
>Rushia
>Korone

New Additional Pillars added after Gen 4+
>Coco
>Gura

Reinforcement (They never stayed under the spotlight for long, but were relevant nonetheless)
>Suisei
>Watame
>Okayu
>Mori
>Akai Haato


Fixed.

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>>5312688
Are we building a house? You need windows, roof, floor, walls and a door also a garden would be good

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>>5309512
The fact that Subaru is included as a pillar here shows that things will be ok. Subaru has recently inclined and become a force while aqua and other have had their problems. There's always someone waiting to fill the role.

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>>5310774
>I watch clips once in a while

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>>5312898
touche

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>>5310851
actually entertaining

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Subaru is a non-load bearing pillar.
People will panic if she's gone, but it won't actually make a difference.

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>>5313041
Finally a reasonable take

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>>5310774
Miko was in hiatus for 3 months and everything was fine. In reality there is no such thing as pillars or whatever for this group. The Hololive brand is too big alone, and the talent are now disposable. You can see that with Coco.

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>>5312940
Yes i agree but she is dwarfed by fubuki in both connections and numbers, fubuki nets cover the most amount of sponsorships and collaborations so she still makes them the most even though her super chat is small

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>>5312688
Good except I'd remove Mori and probably put in Kiara as cringe as that sounds. At least Kiara does HoloTalk. I expect Calli to graduate by the end of the year to pursue her music career once she has a nice little nest egg of simp money.

Also Iofi should get an honorary mention for her role in HoloID as much as people on 4chinz hates indo, not that her leaving will make a splash.

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>>5310907
Zhang spoted

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>>5310917
>start accepting anyone unstable

I have bad news for you anon.
Cover has been doing this since 2016

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>>5310917
this would be unironically good for the company. Shedding all the /pol/ schizos is the only way to ensure longterm success

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>>5309512
>haato as any sort of foundation to hololive as a whole
>implying haato is doing anything other than the same break-taking shit she's been doing for half a year now
your shitpost is too obvious, cuckbreath.

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>>5312688
>Mori
what in the fuck

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>>5312688
>pillars post AL collab
>lists off people who weren't in the collab and thus wouldn't have drawn any attention via it
are you dense? are you fucking retarded?

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>>5310506
>Aqua
Chink princess and womanchild that will lose her mind if she sees one negative comment in a sea of 100 positives ones

>Matsuri
Mentally deranged woman that goes into menhera rants about how no one from hololive invites her for collabs

>FBKI
Tries her best, but it's obviously failing.

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>>5313397
Do you know what post means or are you just pretending to be retarded

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Fucking worthless list without Aqua. Are you baiting people to call you Zhang? or call you a newfag?

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>>5310774
>N word,
Just say nigger, stupid twittertranny

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>>5313476
What did Aqua do to help Hololive?

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>>5309512
>>5312688
>>5313409
people either so new or so retarded they forget that Aqua was the one thing keeping the company going and growing in 2019

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The foundation is just Sora. Everyone else that's important enough is some pillar or other part of the house.

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Korone is 156 meters tall

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>>5312688
>Mori
Mori is a harbinger of the final yab.

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>>5311648
Aqua number 1 superchat in 2019

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>>5309512
I'd give Subaru my pillar

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>>5313592
That was FBKI.

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>>5309512
its going to balkanize as cover is a corporation working in a pyramid scheme

thats why coco left because she were on the bottom of the pyramid

like your pic really

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>>5313670
sure FBK did a lot of sponsored and shilling streams in that time
Aqua meanwhile had the raw numbers to put Hololive on stage. be it live views or sc she was one of the few people who could contest the top livers from nijisanji

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>>5313512
Being fucking successful during their literal who days. Its aqua that yagoo mentioned during his interview for his measure of success you retarded newfag .

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>>5313592
Most people here don't like aqua because of her association with Chinese.

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>>5313784
Ogey

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>>5313784
yes and? just cause they are retarded dosen't mean they can just ignore history.

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>>5313784
Samefagging retards are not most people.

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>>5310774
genuinely embarrassing post, how new?

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>>5310774
>another EN newfag globaltard spouting shit he has no clue on
HoloEN was a mistake.

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>>5310774
Fubuki is the face of Hololive even more so than Sora. Stop seeing everything from your EOP perspective.

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>>5313991
man this reminds me of the retarded chumkeks flooding her stream and gloating about how shark hit 1 mil before her. fucking vile subhumans

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>>5309512
>>5310774
>>5313409
Look at the shit that HoloEN has bring to us. I bet most of these motherfuckers don't know jack shit of what happened before September 2020 and only watched clips.

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>>5310774
>scatman simply cannot compare to Miko saying the N word
35P, every time. Enjoy your oshi and stop shitting on the other girls

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>Newfags: the thread.
Jesus christ.

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>>5309512
This is a dumb picture

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>>5310774
Kill yourself 35piss

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>>5312640
Would that be one of Hololive's strengths? I might can't watch every stream but I feel like I can keep up with what everyone's up to.

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Holomembers are not only running out of ideas, but now they also have management behind their back declaring what they can and can't do. It's in full suffocation mode now and will take around 1.5 years until half of them have retired. The other half who have low self esteem and who have nowhere to go, will accept having their soul drained out and being turned into corporate puppets, which might then continue another 2 years.

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where do i cum

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The only way you can judge who is carrying the team is through Sponsorships, SCs and Viewership

SS Sponsor Magnets: Pekora, Aqua, Botan, Mori, Ina, Gura
A Sponsor Magnets: Fubuki, Marine, the rest of
Gen 5, Kiara, Suisei
The rest gets sponsors occasionally.

Viewership and SC is obvious. So the people that are carrying the team are Gen3, Gen5, Suisei, Aqua and HoloEN(Except for Ame).

The foundation are the the people that started this whole shit before the boom which are Gen0, Gen 1, Gen2 and Gamers.

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>>5314399
They have a big event happening every month, they have a solo act or group acts dong big shows every other week. And I hate to break this to you, but only a handful of them were considered edgy to begin with. Not much changed way back except the loud ones are tamer.

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>>5314545
>the loud ones are tamer
That is a huge problem though.

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Miko - The heart and soul of Hololive

Fubuki - The pillar and guardian of Hololive

Simply as that

Subaru- The duck and bright of Hololive

Marien - The horny and wise of Hololive.

Coco - The bridge and herald of Hololive

Nene - The youth and future of Hololive

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>>5314399
>will accept having their soul drained out and being turned into corporate puppets,
Meanwhile in the real world, most of the girls have given up the initial gimmick the company gave them to be yet another girly girl or a catgirl.

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>>5314634
Nah. The loud ones are getting compensated quite well by giving them projects to be busy with. Matsuri is always involved in some concert and tournament. Marine is about to announce some good new, not to mention she has a concert of her own with Luna and a game show to boot. Aki is chill is doing more stuff on twitcast. Choco does not give a fuck. Mel is doing a by collabing and roommate stuff so she's always busy. Only Coco became stagnant because she would never do concerts except when mandated because of holo fes and she only does asmr for laughs. She couldn't play any multiplayer without the fear of getting trolled. The restriction affected her because she was boxed with no options. The rest still and has a lot of shit going for them.

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I think people are taking the metaphor of "pillars" and "foundations" too literal, and it's only confusing conversations because different people mean different things.

I'd rather talk about "importance", generally, and specify that with at least two axis, like "important, meaning high view count, public popularity, etc." and "important, meaning behind the scenes leadership, group cohesion, networking, etc.", so we can better assess and differentiate the different impacts of their potential graduations.

Say for example Fubuki, she's not the highest watched Holo by any stretch (high subcount notwithstanding, many "dead" subs), but rather average in this regard. But she's certainly very important in other more intangible regards, being a support leader, networker, group cohesion, moodmaker etc. (and selfdescribed "canary in the coal mine", so losing her would have that added special weight).
On the other hand, someone like Pekora (and to a lesser degree Korone) certainly gets most of the highest numbers in Hololive, but socially? They're rather isolated, or at least don't really have that "indispensable" quality about them that'd make the whole group collapse if they're gone.

Of course, it's a two-dimensional axis, so some Holos can have more of both qualities at once (high numbers AND high social value, like let's say Marine for example), while others are lower on both counts (for example, and no offense to either of them, they're both lovely, but the company could manage losing someone like Aki or Mel rather cleanly without much impact, compared to others)

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>>5313991
this brings me back

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>>5314401
In Mori's pee hole

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>>5314763
This is hard to say because a lot of the girls have formed cliques. Fubuki is the natural leader for Bakatare only. She doesn't do a lot with F.A.M.S anymore. Mio would be that person everyone relies to because of her fortune telling stuff(which I don't really believe in) but the girls do run to her, Marine is a saviorfag to Aqua and Ayame, Matsuri likes to prey on loners which makes her a leader of sorts. People did say she was always supportive offline. Flare is somewhat of a leader for gen 0 of all people and Polka. Kanata is the gachikoi that can bring everyone in to her birthday. Botan is slowly becoming a leader as well.

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>>5314963
>Marine is a saviorfag to Aqua and Ayame
you forgot Shion and honestly i think its more of grooming like Matsuri rather than saviorfaging

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>>5314963
I don't disagree, in fact that was one of my main points. People can be "important" (and "irreplacable") in many other ways, especially behind the scenes, rather than just looking at it from a pure superficial numbers standpoint, where "hurrdurr more number means better than!". But that's what anons focus most on, probably because it's the most public-facing metric, but it's certainly not everything.

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>>5314756
Unlike that other anon I don't think they will graduate or anything like that. I just think they are losing their charm, at least for me. I really miss old Matsuri and notice that I barely watch her anymore. I have the feeling she and other members don't collab with a lot of people they used to have great chemistry with and become overall more boring.

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>>5309512
Duck is not a fucking pillar or foundation. Fubuki would easily be either; Aqua was also one until recently with her several breaks but is starting to get back into the groove.

Matsuri -was- a pillar for sure but it's debatable if she still is one, similar to Aqua in a sense although onion still draws massive crowds (only rivaled by Marine) and is still uber popular while Matsuri fell into a rut and lost many of her longtime fans.

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>>5315144
Perhaps the ones who graduate from Hololive were really us, the viewers...

[Anonymous No.]

shit thread

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>>5315260
Its obvious considering the retard OP put a 4th gen member as foundation of all thing.

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>>5315199
Also before someone goes >but, also Peko obviously is better numbers than Aqua and Marine although it's not by a giant amount. Any of those three crush everyone else besides maybe Gura.

Also I forgot to mention Miko is a foundation for sure, like 10x more than Coco really. Coco is only important to EOPs and redditors generally. She didn't actually get huge numbers or attention for fucking anything really besides her faggoty reddit review. She was never a pillar really but was the "it" girl for a while, the hot new thing, for a couple months back when she was new and Asacoco was either still going or fresh on everyone's mind. She was seen as amazing and innovative at the time but basically got more and more predictable/repetitive/stale as things went on and her appeal didn't really last besides to tatsunoko with deep wallets - Japanese tatsunoko I must say, who liked her specifically because she was a crude vulgar American/foreign-ish woman (rather as foreign as most of them are comfortable with), an angle entirely lost on EOPs.

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>>5315038
Shion is getting saviorfaged by Rushia.

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>>5310774
>when you started watching Hololive just last month
Fubuki is probably the biggest reason your oshi didn't quit after 6 months you mouth breathing retard.

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>>5315304
oh i missed that development, thats a wild combo tho

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>>5315297
>Coco is only important to EOPs

She's the one who orchestrated the creation of HoloEN which more than tripled the popularity of hololive, launching a new era in hololive's history.

Coco is extremely important to hololive.

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>>5314963
Will Botan really be a Leader? Don't get me wrong I love la lion and it's obvious a lot of girls like her and to a certain point rely on her but at the same time she seems to play with a group she likes and then go do her own thing and maybe go to another group for a brief moment and go back to her own thing.

The only Holos she truly seems to be close with are her gen, Towa and Watame, outside of that even if she gets along with the rest it seems more of a "Oh you're nice to play with" rather than "I'm going to confide on you with this" unlike some of the other girls.

Doesn't help she's gonna help you if you ask her even if you two never talk again.

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>>5315144
Matsuri explains that the reason she doesn't do a lot of collabs anymore with the usual people is because the girl tends to get popular and feels she's not needed anymore. Or because she thinks it's improtant that girl tries harder in getting along with other people. Perfect case is Luna. Matsuri was trying to rope Polka in however Polka was more interested in Flare. She likes Nene a lot and is quite possesive sometimes with her. Towa and Matsuri loves Nene like a little sister.

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>>5315204
Fuck...

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>>5315439
You know people keep saying this but I've never done the research to actually validate it. Unless Yagoo himself said that's exactly what happened I'll always think it's just embellishment by redditors parroting each other trying to make Coco a bigger deal than she really is/was, the center of the Holo universe, when actually fuck no she was never even close to that especially to the Japanese where she was actually more of a niche type than a general all-star.

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>>5312688
Bedrock
>Sora
>Miko
>Fubuki
>Matsuri

Pillars (Post Azur Lane collab era)
>Aqua - (The MC of Hololive)
>Marine
>Pekora
>Rushia
>Korone

New Additional Pillars added after Gen 4+
>Coco
>Gura

Reinforcement (They never stayed under the spotlight for long, but were relevant nonetheless)
>Suisei
>Watame
>Okayu
>Akai Haato


Fixed the fix.

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>>5315440
The reason I say this is because the summer festival is her idea. She's rolling with it. Even staying past beyond her bedtime to check on Kiara. And remember Kiara asked her help in disassembling her PC. She's stoic. She instantly got along with Coco one of the most extroverted and Korone one of the most introverted. So she has potential to rope the members into the other projects if she does come up with another one

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>>5315489
Okay stop blabbing nonsense newfag, here
> https://youtu.be/1I43s0oFbbk
Weeks later after that, Coco went on a break, and said she was busy af. So probably did BTS work

Months after that HoloEN was revealed.

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>>5315297
Pekora isnt important to hololive, shes a solo streamer whose biggest boost to anyone except herself was for a fucking SEAmonkey
she doesnt do anything except stream, her merch impact is near nonexistent and she doesnt do idolshit
the one friend she had in the company she now hates so they cant even yuribait her to draw in new fans
shes as important to hololive as Rushia, which is to say not at all

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When talking about Coco, many of these guys only bring up about reddit and EN pandering.
They don't know how Asacoco was phenomenal IN JAPAN.
It became a kinda popular meme there, it even got referenced in a manga.
It attracted some JP viewers to Holo, it even attracted some comunities outside of the vtuber community.
Since it featured other holomems, people might find their favourites through the show.
If only the Taiwan incident didn't happen....

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>>5315674
HoloEN might be in the works before this, but it's Coco that advertised the recruitment. So that's that

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>>5315717
Coco was important to gen4, unfortunately gen4 was the beginning of the end of hololive

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>>5315674
That's a fucking parody video you retard. There is no indication whatsoever about coco being the integral part of hololive EN and western market popularity. Its all azur lane collab, chinks clippers and rona. Even she is not the first holo reddit mod, that's artia.

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>>5315674

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>>5315528
Well yeah, but I think part of that is her natural charisma and another part is all the experience she has, we know she has been jumping between groups and stuff these past yrs, she has experience on how to work with groups, how to lead and how to act in X situation, probably the reason why she was hired in the first place.

I can see why she may be a leader but then again I think it's part of how used she is at this kind of stuff, she knows what her job is and she's going to do it, but if it stops being good or interesting for her then she's just gonna drop it and go do something else.

Heck she had had great chemistry in all her collabs yet she hasn't streamed with half of those people again.

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>>5315745
Oh my fucking God, this retarded faggot just can't accept the fact that Coco is integral to HoloEN's creation. Holy fuck

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>>5315819
>Oh my fucking God, this retarded faggot just can't accept the fact that Coco is integral to HoloEN's creation. Holy fuck
t. Delusional cocofags

[Anonymous No.]

It is amazing a thread like this has over one hundred replies. Do you guys really enjoy discussing the hypothetical fall of hololive for the 100th time?

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>>5315842
Its all azur lane collab, chinks clippers and rona. Even she is not the first holo reddit mod, that's artia.
t. Delusional Chinkdicksucker

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>>5315712
Yeah Peko is only really important in terms of crowds - in one sense.

She however is also the hype and viral engine a lot of the time and in essence her contributions to the MC server are fucking invaluable and glue the entire company together there. If she was gone tomorrow many Holos' MC content would suffer with no more Usada Kensetsu wackiness/rivalries etc. So she is more than standalone in a sense but isn't a very personable/friendly like Marine.

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>>5310774
Fubuki’s contributions were much more than just scatman. She did many more viral clips, was the biggest for a long time, highly involved with sponsorships and pandered to EN a lot. Other members have talked about how supportive and kind she is. Many of these things still hold true today. There’s a reason she was called the face of the company (on /jp/ and /vt/ at least).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5315844
What did you expect? This is 4chin, where guys like >>5315745 >>5315819 exists, and argue over retarded things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5315915
Fubuki is basically everyone's friend/advisor/vtuber 101 survival coach behind the scenes, at least for the Holos that bother to respond/talk to her.

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>>5315877
Taiwan is a country, still doesn't change the fact that coco being the integral part of EN creation is just redditors headcanon just like their delusion about coco saying taiwan to take the fall for haachama or coco is applying for management after graduation. .

[Anonymous No.]

>>5315844
The time loop is real and we're all trapped

[Anonymous No.]

>>5315950
Yeah, you just don't like her lmao. I think that's fair, we wouldn't truly know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5312688
>Mori
>Gura
How about you suck a dick???

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>>5315808
She was an indie or would work in a small group. This is bigger and she's probably thinking about this as her retirement group. Her building bonds here makes sense. She got an off collab with Okayu easy. I'm just saying she has potential and she's doing group job showing that potential every chance she gets.

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>>5309512
Talents won't stay forever so I'd expect Hololive to fall in 2 years. But, one thing I can give Cover credit is that they're trying to branch out possibilities with HoloAlt. Even if the talent graduates, stories and interactions could be made up in novels, mangas or animes securing the fanbase for a long time. I'm just happy that HL has a lot of pillars in them and they can keep adding in new ones from new gens. Nijisanji, however, has kuzuha carrying them on their backs. Won't be too long till his back breaks.

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>>5315979
I don't dislike her, i just hate it when people are making stupid headcanon and spreading it as a fact. I mean come on EN audtion begins at 23 april 2020 and you think the whole 4 months of coco at hololive while being busy trying to get monetized is the reason for its creation?

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>>5315717
Taiwan incident could've fix If taiwanese media didn't use coco and hachama for their own political agenda which make harder for cover and bilibili to negotiates.
Taiwan is a country who likes to use popular personalities to hate west Taiwan but can't leave without chinks money.Only bark but no bite.

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>>5316033
Okayu is almost as chill as Botan, one even could mistake them as siblings in some behaviours.

Yeah, it seems this is her retirement group but she has two of her three old accounts still up (I should know, I'm following them) and she definitely has a side job besides Holo, I'm assuming in case she wants to do something like Coco

Bonds and relationships is the most important thing as you say, she definitely has gotten some shill stuff from old contacts and pretty sure the Holo ones are important too, besides, Holo is rn a big name, no wonder she wants to grow there but if the company starts sinking she's probably gonna leave the boat relatively soon, but who knows, we just have to wait.

In any case she's the one I see less making a clique like Fbk with Bakatare, she's been having a lot of Usaken collabs but if she wants she can pull another GW thing too.

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>>5316138
She was monetized on February 8, not the whole 4 months, and as >>5315724
said, its not like she popped out HoloEN off of her asshole, she was just part of the campaign because of the advertisments she did, hence integral, that's what I mean. But you do you.

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>>5316340
>She's the one who orchestrated the creation of HoloEN which more than tripled the popularity of hololive, launching a new era in hololive's history.
>Coco is extremely important to hololive.
Moving goalpost already huh?

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>>5316366
You retard, that was a different poster.

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>>5316383
Then you're in the wrong reply chain.

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>>5316383
Even I'm not that delusional, ignore that faggot. That's the one you should be angry at

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We already know Coco isn't responsible for holoEN's creation.

https://grapee.jp/en/169910
>Interview with the Producer of the All-Girl VTuber Group hololive English
>I was in charge of localization right after I joined the company, and in order to solve this problem, one day I suggested to President Tanigo that we should localize the entire hololive content itself. This is what led to the establishment of the current hololive English.

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>>5316245
Coco graduating isn't enough to call Hololive a sinking ship. It's a sizable hole yes, but it isn't enough. But too many managerial problems could create enough holes to sink a large ship and the talents to abandon ship. All these apologizing when the problems isn't even that big is really problematic.

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>>5315819
Coco was never involved in EN creation you newfag cretins. The only thing she did was some promo video. YAGOO was already talking about oversees expansion back in 2019 and you can bet your ass that EN was in works before she even debuted. It doesn't even make sense because when EN auditions were happening Coco was dying from lack of sleep from making Asacoco 1.0 almost every day. She literally didn't have time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqY-yyNC4-k&t=681s

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>>5315500
Subaru and Mio are the reason why Mikochi is still in Hololive. Without them Hololive would've collapsed like a house of cards.

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>>5316736
Yep, she just advertised the recruitment, and did skits to promote it after the announcement. Because many missed it on Twitter.

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>>5310917
You do realize all of the jp hololive are menhera with a few exceptions right?

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>>5309512
fubuki is the reason Okayu, Mio, and Korone is even in Hololive; for that alone, she should be a foundation piece.
They have only been around for 3 years at the most, so why does it feel like some of them are almost done. most popular streams never quit even after close to 10 years; is vtubing that much more draining?

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>>5316692
I didn't mean Holo is sinking rn, It's definitely the end of a status quo we got used to but it's not sinking, I meant it more in the future when eventually some other girls start graduating and starts to change it's rooster , it's at that moment when we'll see how it goes because let's be honest.

Half or more of the girls are pretty young, they may leave to go to Uni or get married or start their own business, etc and at that moment vtubing will become unsustainable for them so Holo will start getting new people to replace the old, as a lot of companies do, then we will see how it plays out and who leaves and who stays and how it affects everything.

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>>5317004
Hololive definetly feels a little stagnant right now, but that may be just a recency biased feeling because we came off the explosive growth period of late-2019 to 20 and especially the EN honeymoon phase. Now things are a little more "settled", which if you're used to going full speed ahead can feel a little bit like standing still (or even going backwards, if you're in a doomposty mood).
Maybe (hopefully?) the upcoming EN2 generation can inject some new spark again. I'm not even talking about reaching even higher number ceilings (honestly, EN1 was probably lightning in a bottle for various reasons in that situation, and won't be repeated so easily anytime soon), just from an audience entertainment standpoint, to introduce some new dynamics into the group.

As for a potential Hololive collapse in the future, the most likely route going out is not that of a bang, but with a whimper. So yeah, unless some actual catastrophic "final yab" (and not the weaksauce shit that anons always fret about) comes along, it's probably just a slow decline usually. The old tentpole talents all draw down/ drop out over time, for various personal reasons, and the new blood brought in to replace can't recapture the same magic anymore. People will get used to vtubers so that it loses it's "haha, an anime girl talking to me" novelty value, the space will reach its saturated state where they have their for-life audience but casuals will drop out (or go watch some other new trendy thing that catches their interest) and not much new audiences come in to replenish.

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>>5316988
Nah, isn't that draining, it's the fact they are supposed to be idols also what are draining their energy, remember they take dance and singing lessons almost everyday while streaming and other ones like Haachama dealing with her life also (I don't think she will graduate but she has not any time now)

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>>5309512
Your pic is missing Fubuki

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>>5317388

I don't know if it really feels like they're "almost done", but to add on what >>5317388 said, maybe another factor in what makes it seem like they're losing their shine is that they are under a corporation (and a japanese one, at that), with all the buerocracy, red tape and mismanagement that comes with it. Those streamers you say who are still going strong after almost a decade are also probably mostly solo, or at least somewhat self-incorporated. So they have more agency and freedom to pursue the content they like, or change, which is a big part in staying fresh and keeping motivation, instead of having some suits always looking over your shoulder and telling you "Do this!" and "No, don't do that!", and the most common way to deal with these frustrations is to become somewhat dull (after all, just sticking to the "safe" routines is what you're "supposed" to do anyway for the corpo, which wears down your ability to give a shit over time), that's probably also why you feel that way looking at them.

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There won't be a specific time where Hololive will collapse. Events will just keep on piling on top of another as years go by, until one day you realize that the Hololive you fell in love with changed. For Tatsunokos, that time came this year

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All these posts when you could have just said you're a bored ADHD zoomer ready for the next fad.

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>>5313991
>I'm better than you because I've been watching longer than you
Fuck off. You're a loser.

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>>5318345
angry newfag kek

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>>5317659
>>5317368
You are all just looking at it in a biased pov. As far as growth. They are exploding. Their numbers are consistently growing. They have sponsorships left and right. They now have a merch deal that ship locally in NA through Goodsmile. They were able to do 3 paid concerts after their boom last year. They are heavily investing in creating more content for their main like the game show and holo gra. They aren't adding a membership on it yet because they still have NND that is still compensating them very well. Their improvement in 3D animation is obvious. A lot of their talents are involved in paid concerts like Marine, Luna, Ayame, Mio, Polka, Nene, and Suisei. They are working on Bloom 2.0. All this while letting their talents stream and create content for them. Just because you don't see your favorite skit anymore does not mean they are stagnanting. It only means they aren't reliant anymore with those kind of content anymore and have a better source of income. And you don't know how YT works especially for Gaming Channels nor streaming. People were saying Twitch won't be a thing after 3 years and they are still here after a decade. Some of these girls will graduate but it will probably because they just don't want to stream anymore. None of them are reliant to the old ways as much as Coco is. Even if none of the oldfags watch them anymore, their brand already carries them that newfags are always entering the scene.

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>>5318604
Another thing, you can see that their is an obvious divide now of talents that don't want to do idol stuff. The ones that do are highlighted and given more options like Bloom or this new NegiU unit. I can totally see Bloom or Idol Paid concerts being a major source of income for a number of them given how successful it was. Korone can't care less about Bloom while Aqua is. Korone still gets sponsors even if she doesn't participate. She still went for Vcarnival though. The only thing that would stop these girls is their health.

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>>5309822
yeah that would be awful I love the duck

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>>5318345
>I'm better than you because I've been watching longer than you

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>>5318901
unironically this

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>>5311766
>You could always follow her sister.
Who?

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>>5318901
Nothing wrong with this honestly.

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>>5314172
that's a nousagi falseflagger clipfaggot, please dont hate the 35p over this.

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>>5314451
SS Sponsor Magnets are Sora, Fubuki and Aqua. Sora has been attracting sponsors since day 1 for the first 2 years untill Fubuki and Aqua took off. Even nowdays Fubuki and Sora are still hololive top earner, Bringing the most money for the whole. SCs earning aint shit compare to what they've earned.
but you probably wouldnt know that are you, newfag-kun?

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>>5320463
Sora hasn't been sponsored since mid year except for the hololive group advertisements. All of the big brand deals they got like Red Bull, Nissin, Family Mart, Molly, Capcom, Square Enix and Microsoft all went to eveyone except for Fubuki and Sora. The most that Fubuki would get are ttrpg shills and mobile games. She only just got a tie in with Molly and the eye glasses. Botan is gets shilled more than Fubuki as far as mobile games or any game related sponsorships. Aqua and Pekora i are consistent. Your data is outdated.
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>>5318901
Based

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>>5310774
Aqua was the standard every growing Hololive member hoped to achieve until last year.

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>>5315819
didn't Ame and others straight up SAY that coco is important?

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>>5309512
Everyone here except Pekora could all die tomorrow and everything would just go back to normal after a few weeks

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>>5313775
Aqua might as well be indie and no one would notice. #sololive

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>>5321001
She IS important and integral, because she's the first proper English speaking chuuba of Holo, but contrary to what people believe, she was NOT the reason HoloEN was created, it was already on the works probably on 2019? She just advertised the recruitment on her Asacoco, and did skits.

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>>5321269
She used to collab with a lot of people before the big yab. A lot of her MC streams does have some sort of interactions with other members be it through chat or just pranks. She would just get long weeks of autism. I think Aki and Luna did less collab than her.

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I can't believe the sheer amount of newfags in here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkahhaxHkzM

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>>5309512
>reclining dog
>pillar
Lmaoing @ ur lyfe

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>>5313512
she alongside Fubuki and Matsuri had already made Hololive a household name among weebs in East Asia before you EOPfags started learning about Hololive through reddit

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>>5314027
nah Sora was irrelevant even from EOP's perspective

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>>5316755
The amoiunt of drama that remains in-house and that we only glimpse at is tremendous. For all the talk of "pillars", we forget that Cover was a house of cards for a long time and a lot of the older holos were support for each other when things were really tough.

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>>5315439
HoloEN will be just a fad, it would slowly die down mark my word

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>>5316233
true, I lived near Taiwan and my Facebook page is bombarded by passive-aggressive dog barks by them

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>>5318345
U mad newfaggotini ?

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>>5310774

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>>5314963
Gen 5 is also kind of it's own clique, they seem to be really close to one another.

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>>5309512
> Haachama and Coco being foundation
fucking kek, more like foundation of controversies

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>>5310774
this board is a fucking embarrassment

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>>5330054
this