/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Some sleazeball shareholder tried to entrap YAGOO while mentioning Anycolor.
https://twitter.com/kazuki_murata/status/1674232922424111105

cover shareholders meeting fifth questioner
・Profitability is poor due to high performer fees and weak product sales, please refer to Anycolor

YAGOO
・I don't know the inner workings of my rival, but I appreciate the performer's hard work. We only sell commemorative goods, but we will develop products that are easy for the general public to buy.

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>>52358803
Good one yagoo.

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>>52358803
>we will develop products that are easy for the general public to buy
Please ship your merch everywhere holy fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

What does "high performer fees" mean?

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>>52359418
Holos get a bigger cut than Nijis on merch

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>>52359418
Holos get taken care of and treated like people, niji livers are products that get pumped out and then forgotten for the next wave 6 months later

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>>52358803
literally just make it easy for me to buy my oshi's merch outside of Japan Yagoo-dono

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>>52359418
They get >2%

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>>52358803
>media want cover to transform to black company
Grim

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>>52359706
>shareholders only care about profit
Shock

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>>52359706

[Anonymous No.]

>"Be like Niji, take a bigger cut of the talent's merch sales to satisfy shareholders"

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>>52358803
>retarded monkeys with money only care about getting more money
SHOCKING

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>>52358803
>>52359418
The shareholder is your standard greedy capitalist that wants to turn Hololive into Nijisanji and take all the current profits the talents make to hoard it for themselves.
It's classic destructive short term profits.

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>>52358803
This reminded me of high and low.
These businessmen are not sleazy, they are inhumane.
And yes, yagoo reminded me of toshiro mifune's character, an idealistic hardworking businessman, yet refuse to loose his humanity.

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It's funny you retards think Cover isn't going to cave into shareholder demands. Yagoo is gonna get strongarmed by the rest of the board to start doing some nijification. Shareholders only see Riku's 10 yachts and think "where's my fucking yacht Yagoo?"

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>>52359937
You can say a lot about how Cover is run but Yagoo cares

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>>52359839
>No.
yet...

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>>52359956
>Want a fucking yacht
>When you can fuck one of the girls (or guys if they're faggots).

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>>52359956
Nope, current board is still founders with 2 new additions. One of those additions is a recurrent business partner.
People can doompost all they want with EOPs and MTL bits but the facts are there, Cover is not going black anytime soon.

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>>52358803
>shareholder
Are these the ones who bought the IPO things? Or some other entity?

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Pretty based of Yagoo. I still think EN is being held back and that they could do better at getting the West more stuff like concerts and merch but I think his heart is in the right place. If I had some more disposable cash on me, I would absolutely try to buy stocks and drown out these Niji loving investors.

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>>52358803
cover corp. white company
Rival Black company

RURO!

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>>52360856

[Anonymous No.]

>cover is a moral company
reminder that they blocked coco from gen5 and EN collabs until she announced her graduation

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>>52360703
Time to win the lottery anon.

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>>52360922
>still trying

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>>52358803

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>>52358803
this is why i will always believe that Yagoo's graduation will be the Final Yab because you have these sleazy fucks who would want to take over Cover and kill Hololive from inside.

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>>52359956
This. Yagoo will be forced to reenact that one Atahuta doujin

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>>52360990
>You will now imagine ugly bastard salaeymen fucking your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

Yagoo is a good business man, he has a long term business plan that will succeed. sure pumping out new gens all the time is great for short term gains, but its ultimately better to have flagship talents and treat them well and receive long term earnings from invested fans

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>>52361243
>fully invested in metaverse shit
>good businessman
lmao

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>>52361016
>Translator's note: Backpain means getting an abortion

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>>52361622
It’s coming faster than you thought… see the ai drawing? What about the ai animation? See the new ar vr glasses? Remember making fun of your grandpa when he doesn’t know how to use computer? That’s happening to you.

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>>52361016
Too big. All of them.

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>>52361622
>le metaverse
It's holoearth.
A project passion created for hololive fans.
And let's not forget about the new studio.
Any investor will know that it's great long term investment.

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>>52361967
>le metaverse will be essential in media consumption
it's a shitty and expensive gimmick like VR gaming and will be treated as such, get over it

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>>52361967
They literally halted AI development by a week now with with the weakest argument ever
>AI (COULD) be used to produce CP
Search for it if you don't believe it, It was on FOX News too.

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>>52362286
>(COULD)

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Nihon bros : Cover is white company

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>>52359956
The only retard here is you. The founders still hold majority stake of the co., unless there's a change of heart, cover is not likely turning into blackjisanji anytime soon.

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>>52360922
Stop lying nijinigger

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>>52362595
My least insane rrat is that sora and a-chan are part of the founders.

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>>52358803
>Don't take care of their organs
>The body gradually collapses

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>>52362777
Just like real live.
Anycolor can replace their liver with a new one from some third world countries.

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>>52359956
People really overestimate how much influence shareholders have, or how compelling the 'profit' argument even is.
Japan has an Apamanshop case where directors bought shares at 50,000 yen per share - FIVE TIMES the actual value of the share, 10,000 yen, without negotiating it down. Shareholders filed suit and alleged that the directors were liable for their 'bad decisions'. But the directors showed that they had taken this into account and judged intangibles like business relationships, goodwill and smooth functioning to be worth the difference. Since their decisions were well-informed, made in good faith and without conflict of interest, the court ruled in their favor.
Under the business judgement rule, shareholders might be able to go all the way and even conclusively prove that they could have earned more/spent less, but directors can just tell them to fuck off, they don't know how to run the company.

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>>52362127
holoearth looks like a mobile mmo from 10 years ago. its absolute bust.

only way they can turn it profitable is if they start pimping out holomems there.

lets say VIP time with oshi 10 people 30min-1h, 1000 dollarinos per person, then if thats not enough you could also peddle in game gifts the simps can buy during meeting event like in hostess clubs

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>>52363438
They should make it a turn-based RPG with established lore to hook in lorefags instead.

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>>52363438
dont worry the microtrannyactions will carry the pet project of this black company

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>>52363438
just turn it into a minecraft clone, seriously.

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>>52359827
And yet Anykara somehow still looks worse compared to them

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>>52363655
Wasn't the concept a Craftopia copy?

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>>52358803
>but we will develop products that are easy for the general public to buy.
>Ships to New Zealand but not Australia
What did he mean by this?

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>>52360008
>Yagoo cares
>Tried to ignore Mel getting harassed by her manager who wanted to fuck her until she lawyered up and got police involved
Roru
Rumao even

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>>52359284
Man you'd have to kill off like a forty million Japanese boomers and rebuild the entire Jap postal system from the ground up for that to happen. Not saying it's impossible, just that Yagoo's really going to have to step up his PMC game to make it happen.

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>>52363438
It‘ll make bank off of retarded paypigs

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>>52363438
I can practically taste your tears nijiniggers.

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>>52359842
Says the poor shit monkey, investors want returns it’s not rocket science. They aren’t doing fucking charity.

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>>52359706
going public in any capacity always tears the soul out of a company. shareholders are insidious.

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>>52364183
Literally NPCs who can only see number go up and number go down.
You know that even toddlers can learn to not take the cookie now so they get rewarded with 2 cookies later.

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>>52359418
Holomemb are payed more than nijislaves. It's just the politicaly correct way for a share holder to say "i want my quick buck so i can fuck off doing the same to the next company, while you deal with the nefaste consequences of my exigences after i sold my stock, and if you don't i will sell my stock"

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>>52364183
Correction, they want SHORT TERM return.

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>>52364372
>You know that even toddlers can learn to not take the cookie now so they get rewarded with 2 cookies later.
Only white, asian, hispanic, indian, inuit and ME children. All except the obvious kind according to those now suppressed studies.

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>>52363961
>mel become permanent talent
>holomem's manager can only be female now
Look at the silver lining.

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>>52365532
>holomem's manager can only be female now
Matsuri said there are male managers still, she even has one. She said this like last year too.

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>>52365651
>Matsuri
You believe her?
Lol
Lmao even

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>>52365738
Well fair enough. Lamy mentioned having a male one too but that's 2 years ago now and has changed since then.

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>>52358803
Haha. Fortunately YAGOO never sold over 49% of the company so he can just ignore dumbass investors...
Oh wait...

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>>52363899
Fuck off new Zealand fags

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>>52366039
That's clearly a seething Australian.

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>>52366039
Stupidest post itt

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>>52363961
Don't kid yourself falseflag-kun the only thing why they bother to make a statement and address it on public is because they do care, Mel getting harassed is not the company's fault and they are only obligated to fire the culprit if its proven, Not even mention most people don't even know about it until they made a statement and you tried to conveniently ignoring the fact that Mel still stays with them which means they are not siding the culprit and act maliciously but of course it's against your narrative, roru

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>>52359827
Holy based.
And sadly true.
Cover has died as a company as far as I am concerned.
Now it's just a race to please shareholders.
It is sad what has become of YAGOOs dream.

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>>52364003
Then why does Mori's store have cheap shipping and can ship anywhere in the world? Why can't all of Cover's talent have shipping as good as Mori or a permanent store like her?
https://shop.moricalliopeofficial.com/

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>>52362696
That’s not really thar far fetchted and probably is true

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>>52358803
YAGOO's so fucking based for this holy shit, basically said no, fuck off, we actually care about our talent to a shareholder trying to make a quick buck by cutting the pay of the lifeblood and soul of the company

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>>52363438
Daily reminder YAGOO followed NFT Twitters.

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>>52360452
but.. orange dragon said cover was black..

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>>52366742
Coco only hate certain person(probably female) on hololive.
She literally convince haachama and shion to stay with hololive.

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>>52366408
Do you realise how much more larger UMG is than Cover?

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>>52366742
Lol what which schizo den have you been living in?

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>>52361016
>fucks talents every night
I cannot wait to be rich and buy stock from Cover.

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>>52359418
>Paying higher to the performer
Or
>Giving higher money to your talents then anycolour
Basically they are asking WHY you give them a higher cut when you can get more profit by not giving them a higher cut.

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>>52360990
Sora will become the CEO after he retires, the voices in my head said so.

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>>52359827
>Permissions
Gee I wonder whose fault was that? It's definitely not because of mass reporting incident
>EN issues
That's just EN problem. They're already being spoonfed way too much and asking for more? Do you not feel ashamed that ID brown hands are more independent and need not to be always babysitted by the upper managers?
>Low quality cash grabs
Did you mistake them with a certain company?
>Tech issues
This one is fair. And regarding equipments, I think the only free service they gave was just an Iphone necessary for Live2D

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>>52366408
>UMG
>UNIVERSAL MUSIC JAPAN
>UNIVERSAL
>JAPANESE BRANCH

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>>52359418
Cover invests in their talents, Anycolor treats their talents like sweatshop labour. Anycolor's exploitative model is more profitable.

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>>52363961
>Actually letting Mel to use lawyer and involving police
That's actually pretty generous of them. They even let her to keep being Mel instead of saving face using "graduation"

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>>52365651
Think there might be difference between talents personal manager and general manager so it's hard to tell who she might be talking about, from what is known all talents have female personal managers.

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>>52358803
Holy based yagoo basically telling the jew to go fuck himself

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>>52360922
Hows Artia doing now anon?

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>>52358803
holofags oshis are going to be sold as whores

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>>52358803
>tried to entrap
Motherfucker, this is just some retard thinking he knows better.

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>>52359827
>butthurt nijikek trying to deflect
every. fucking. time.

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>>52367701
Did you even fucking read what is written there?

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>>52366742
She said no such thing

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>>52359418
The girls get paid.

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>>52359418
Hololive gets paid a base salary on top of the money earned through merch, donations, and ad revenue.
This is uncommon in the industry and share holders want to cut corners where ever possible.

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>>52367777
this. cover would never reject talent proposals or neglect an entire branch for a full year.

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>>52368448
uhh she did though
it's even featured on asacoco

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>>52362696
>>Cover employee meeting 3 person giving speech
>Yagoo CEO
>the COO guy
>Sora
>>IPO ceremony photo
>Yagoo
>the COO guy
>Sora
>also A-chan

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>>52359827
>2022
irrelevant. their reputation is way better now

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>>52359827
Most of this is just nonsense and if he is talking about permissions one should keep in mind that JP culture and legistlation are heavily sided towards the rights holder and it has nothing to do with the companys policies

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>>52360452
Based. Yagoo and his friends will unironically keep the whole scene from turning into exploitative garbage

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>>52367584
And even then it’s a question of just how much longer Anycolor’s model will work in the long term. JP is their main priority but EN’s watch hours and view counts are already spiraling down the drain. And even their fans in JP seem indifferent to most of the new talents.

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>>52366408
Her stuff ships from california.

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>>52371215
It will work as long as their top talents stay. If they lose key players like Kuzuha/Kanae/Kenmochi then they’re fucked. They haven’t been able to find a replacement for them.

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Yagoo dealing with the classic NPC investor screeching for
>MAXIMUM BIG PROFITS 0.1% TALENT FEES NOW NOW NOW
is kinda sad

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>>52371686
Another investor told Yagoo that they should still make merch for “inactive IPs” (Rushia, Coco, Aloe efc) to make more money.

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>>52364003
It's international shipping that's expensive, the Japanese part is great.

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>>52371754
christ

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>>52369004
that was a running joke newfag retard, and was never meant to be taken seriously.

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>>52371754
I mean, they 100% are stupid for blacklisting any removed talent. It really hurts the potential of anything long-lasting, though corpo vtubing has always been built on the idea this whole thing will be gone in five years.

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>>52364372
You make it sounds so easy. The real world doesn't work that way.
IRL, you give the ingredients needed to make 1 cookie. You can order the baker to make 1 cookie right now or let the baker use your ingredients to sell cookie to other people and he will promise you 2 cookies next week. Obvious right? No, in real world you could get nothing next week because the baker get scammed or the kitchen burn or the baker died or any other unexpected event. You could've take 1 cookie last week.
Short term investor might look greedy but they're just doing what they think is sensible.

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>>52371963
Room temperature IQ analogy, NPC brain shit.
There are many observable factors to a business that an investor can use to project his long term returns. Growth, talent satisfaction, content output, sales, global spread etc etc etc. Comparing the myriad workings of a large agency with "uuh you want make cookie next week but the kitchen burned down" is incredibly retarded.
Investors should do their own research or pay people to do it for them, not throw money at something then show up at the shareholder meeting and start calling for merch bloating and talent profit reductions. This is what we call a fucking retarded investor.

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>>52362286
I can't believe "Think of the CP Producers" is what stops AI.

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>>52363527
Karaokes will become paid events, without worry of youtube's copy strikes.

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>>52371754
It could work for graduated ones.
Of course you'll still give a cut to them. Though smaller depending on how much work the graduated puts into it.
Like would any of those who graduated on good terms say no to free money?

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>>52359956
Yeah, the first thing he should do is fired all homo

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>>52371215
Their gambit is that the cash cows will stay and their shotgun hiring method will more hits than misses in order to replace those who quit.
It's very venture capitalist.

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>>52358803
>Profitability is poor due to high performer fees and weak product sales
nijifags are unable ot understand fair pay afterall

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>>52358803
It's only a matter of time before they kick yagoo out of the company.

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>>52359827

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>>52358803
based yagoo

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>>52360990
Starting to think the Homostars are the lesser evil kek

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>>52372952
sure nijifag, go back to giving your livers 2%.

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>>52358803
The last thing COVER should do is follow what ANYCOLOR does. Poor merch, poor treatment of talents, and too much emphasis on profit over a good product. ANYCOLOR are the last people I ever would listen to.

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>>52360922
https://youtu.be/cMiuR2Gga60
It was almost like "some" created a hate mob targeting her and anyone he talked to for months.

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>>52359827
I like how most of this shit is just bitching about EN having bad managers rather than the actual branch

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>>52371963
Why would you buy shares of a baker if you think their kitchen is gonna burn down next week.

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Die shareholders

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>>52371963
>>>>>>>>>>>>fucking food analogy
Anon I know there's a v in /vt/ but please it doesn't stand for vidya.

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>>52373513
Anycolor is doing the right thing when it comes to making profit at the expense of their streamers. Riku’s own thoughts on the vtuber scene is that it’s good for making a quick buck so it wouldn’t be a shock if he tries to sell the company when he thinks he’s finally made enough.

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>>52366737
unlike most old japanese people yagoo tries to keep track of current tech trends. his youtube channel is ancient, it's tanigox if you want to check

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>>52371963
>food analogy
Did burgers really....

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>>52358803
unfortunately cover will eventually end up like anycolor. this was inevitable as soon as they went public. public companies all become black companies.

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>>52374654
Do you want to be like the yankees where you value profit, or like the braves where you value actual talent

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>>52375122
>will
I wish i saved that pomu crying post image.

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>>52359827
It's almost like EN management is pretty fucking bad.

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>>52359418
>What does "high performer fees" mean?
Cover shills will say that means a huge merch cut for hololive talents but that seems optimistic when that information is confidential. Axel and Fauna have both implied that generic merch doesn't get them much and fans should pay attention to what talents self promote. If you read between the lines they are telling people that holoEN and NijiEN aren't that different when it comes to generic merch.

Japanese idol companies generally keep the vast majority of the merch split. The big difference with hololive is the custom merch when talents can put in their own money in return for getting a bigger cut.

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>>52366737
And isn't that good? He followed NFT tech to see what people did with it and what was the reception to it and decided to not do that.

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>>52375909
I didn't think I'd ever wish jp's incompetence on the en branch. people who are bad at their job are preferable to the fags who are running en

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>>52358803
What was the questioner's surname?

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>>52376296
JP management is just slow and sometimes too careful for their own good, but EN is outright bad.
And since EN kept fucking up, they now need permissions from JP for every little thing they do, so it combines both problems into one.

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>>52375136
If you’re an investor who just wants money, like the Yankees.
If you’re an investor who is also a fan, like the Braves.
>>52375909
They’re so bad that Yagoo has to sit in on their meetings now cause he was wondering what the fuck they were doing.

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>>52371947
Yeah a joke, totally a joke. Kson pretty much said she thought she was ripped off by the heavy cut cover takes when the 2% broke out.

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>>52376632
it was funny seeing twitter's reaction when he announced he was doing that. I was once again reminded a lot of people can't see past surface level meanings

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>>52376706
"I thought 50% was bad" were her words you disingenuous cunt.

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>>52376918
yeah so? she thought it was BAD. she wanted MORE but this black company didn't gave her the money she deserved.

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>>52358803
Man it really does suck that new talent literally only has holo if they don't want to be in a black company but still be somewhat relevant.

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>>52376181
when did Fauna say this?
because i remember Kiara saying the exact opposite, that merch (and sponsorships) are their main sources of income

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>>52377041
If you’re getting 50% or more on custom merch, you’re probably not gonna care much about getting 5-10% (whatever their split is) on generic merch.

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>>52376181
>>52377041
Different members say different things about the merch because some sell and others don't. You have to remember that cut is only once it sells enough to be PROFITABLE, if their merch sells for shit of course they won't get money from it.

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>>52367526
permissions aren't even anything cover has any control over unless they're willing to pay money for them.

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>>52377192
We also literally got a discord leak that gave out some info on how much they get from promoting stuff.
So if a talent doesn't do many promotions, of course they will get most of their cut from merch.

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cover sold their soul by going public, it will only go down from now

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>>52377252
Some permissions like games they do have some control over, since they can verify what kind of copyright license the game has and what is its content rating to see if it isn't going to cause the channel to be demonetized.
Problem is, it's impossible to make a list of every single game that is good to go, so aside from the biggest releases, a talent needs to go through the whole permissions rodeo to see if they can play a game.
And then you need to combine the fact that EN management is garbage and that the JP takes quite a lot of time to verify everything.
For songs, that's even worse, since songs easily moves around in ownership and that can change the copyright license a song has.

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>>52377041
I think it was earlier this year. it was specifically about the difference between merch they have a hand in designing and the stuff cover releases for them. it's not surprising since cover usually makes things like acrylic stands, acrylic keychains and lanyards

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>>52377317
you mean that one AmongUs collab? I doubt you can conclude anything from that besides how much they got for that AmongUs gig.

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>>52377579
In the screencap there were multiple gigs. That gives you a better estimate at how much a gig should pay and what is expected at that amount, than using entertainment industry standards.

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>>52362595
That reminds me that Riku lost the majority at some point, I wonder if he recovered it

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>>52376181
Nijishills will say that their chink black company ain't so much different compared to others because they are no longer able to deflect so they are projecting, trying to drag others to their level, classic Nijinigger moves "t-they must be the same" just like when their discord yab happened or other yab, every single time lol

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>>52371963
Let's fix this analogy.
You gave a baker money to buy a new oven and he owes you. He will be able to pay you back in time but it will take a while, but you want the money back now so you try to tell hi. how to do his business. You tell the baker he should only use lower cost ingredients and hire cheaper staff to make more profit.
Now sells cookies, his bakery staff are all minimum wage college students who do a terrible job and all his staple customers who used to appreciate his goods and would pay more for it leave because they can get the same cheap shit anywhere.

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>>52377192
This is why you have people like Axel saying SC > merch because his merch sells like shit.
>>52377317
That was an internal promotion that wasn’t even tied to the sponsor itself.

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>>52377533
yeah Kiara's comment was about custom merch (which is the best seller anyway)
so, like >>52377129 said, a pretty good deal

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>>52377317
You’re retarded that was a bonus to get them to do the stream with only 4-5 en members. The other members were on break, sick, or preparing an event that couldn’t be skipped so they offered that to get them excited

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>>52359418
A lot of retards here. High performer fees is the cost for them to do anything. Since it’s comparing them to nijisanji it means the price for Pekora and one of the JP homos is the same payout for an event or sponsor. Weak product sales would be the non specialized merch for the girls like the all branch plushies they are doing. These bring the cut to the company but the sales aren’t great across the board which probably explains the recent Twitter post of members playing with them

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>>52376421
Oyy do you have something against tengus?

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>>52377404
People will argue this until they're blue in the face, but yeah, the shareholders always win the long run. Going public is the slow death of the original company until only a shell and a logo remains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52377404
They had no choice. Their VC investors gave Yagoo two options, either go public or we will replace you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52367500
Sounds like my FE hack, just replace Queen for CEO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378835
Yagoo and his bud still have majority share you retard. He still has the final say on board decisions

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>>52378174
>>52378013
Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing, because ID was involved too.

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>>52361967
>Muh new tech means that you will become tech illiterate like your grandpa, even though Zoomers don't even know how to use a file directory
RUMAO new tech is made so that even retards can use it

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>>52374943
Oh I know.
Hilariously I knew about that channel before I even heard of most vtubers because it was randomly posted on /jp/ because of the 360 degree stuff. (think it was some camera thread before the consistent camera threads came about)

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>>52377957
You actually aren’t wrong. They really did change tact the moment the 2% leaks came out.

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>>52371963
what a stupid analogy

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>>52376973
Mods, we got an underage retard over here.

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>>52377317
You mean the 350$ that was covers incentive to shill the merch? That's the only thing the leak provided we don't shit about how much they got from the Collab itself, merch and how much amongus paid to them for shilling.

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>>52381873
Better than literally random guesstimates done by people based on other sections of entertainment business, that is known for being wildly different from one to another.

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>>52382288
It’s only good for one specific sponsor though, the rates vary according to the sponsor.

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>>52362696
I don't think anyone would be surprised if Sora and A-Chan had equity in Cover, they've been right there at the very start.

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>>52382830
IIRC Fubuki has a solid amount of stock owned herself.

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>>52359956
>It's funny you retards think Cover isn't going to cave into shareholder demands.
Cover is rapidly approaching big company status in Japan. They can just continue doing what they're doing.

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>>52358803

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>>52382288
>random guesstimates
Performer renumeration is 30%-50% of Cover's cost of sales.

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>>52359956
Then they would have destroyed their golden goose

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>>52358803
Which one of you was this

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>>52381873
That Cover needed to offer a $350 monetary incentive to get them to shill merch during a 2 hour Among Us collab does indicate that hololive talents aren't getting that much from generic merch sales. Honestly would explain why the shilling often comes across with all the enthusiasm of a fast food worker.

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>>52362696
I like better the rrat that Sora is Yagoo's adopted/bastard daughter.

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>>52371786
Nope. Global shipping from anywhere else on the planet is cheaper than Japanese shipping. They mark up everything that leaves the country as much as possible, especially "cultural goods" and weeb shit.

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>>52359956
Cover still owns the majority of their stock and the people who own them are the original founders of the damn company. No one is going to get fired, no one's pay is going to get cut, this company isn't going to do some retarded shit like going into China or bringing back Rushia in some dumb way. They are saying based things to purposefully filter dumb investors and keep around the handful of investors who seem to be willing to do things on Cover's terms, which gives me hope.

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>>52362696
God damn I hope that's true. I really hope Sora chan actually is a founder of the company I will kneel forever

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>>52364003
>kill off like a forty million Japanese boomers and rebuild the entire Jap postal system
sounds like a fucking plan desu, those young hikkes could use some new jobs

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>>52366742
orange dragon also said vshitshow good
Her word is worth fuckall.

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>>52366408
They could if they didn't base it in Japan. Cover could set up an online storefront in Europe, Asia, the Americas, or anywhere else fairly easily and sell their merch for the same high prices but with much reduced shipping if they wanted. Hell, they could open an Amazon store and do the prime thing if they wanted but they won't because 1. the Japanese are autistic as fuck and don't handle change well, and 2. the last time they split their business like that the Chinese branch happened.

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The only thing ANYCOLOR ever did right where Cover failed was hiring Pomu.

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>>52390572
Dude, you don't even know. Killing off their elderly boomers would immediately solve like half of Japan's current economic and social problems.

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>>52384359
Based as fuck, I hope Cover is able to get new shareholders who are actually fans or at least have some basic knowledge

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>>52390572
>change postal system to "entire country"
ftfy

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So an idiot invested in Cover and then asked " Why are you not doing the same of Anycolor ?"

How about you invest in Anycolor instead and shut the fuck up ?

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>>52384743
>renumeration

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>>52363692
Is that supposed to be impressive?

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>>52362696
>>52382830
Sora would have been too dumb/polite to ask for a stake, but A-chan might've pressed Yagoo about it.

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>>52393436
I'm reminded of how sometimes you can be paid in stock options. I wonder if they ever did that here.
Or is that a public company only thing?

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>>52393674
You can absolutely be paid in stock options in a private company. The catch is that the stock isn't really worth crap unless/until they go public.

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>>52393436
>A-Chan is going to save Hololive
I FUCKING KNEEL

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>>52364183
They only care about SHORT TERM gains. They have no interest in building a great and sustainable company that can give them safe returns for years and years. They only care about making a quick buck, pumping and dumping the company, selling their share, and doing the exact same thing with the next company. If these shareholder type people were all shot today, the world would improve overnight. I'm not even a commie, but these fuckers are the ones who are ruining society and getting away with it. Imagine running interference for these shareholder scumfucks.

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>>52367659
She's running this. https://twitter.com/NibiruEN

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>>52395413
Short term shotgun is the best for the money. building a great company is nice and all but then an earthquake comes, or war, or a tsunami, banks fail, a fucking idiot setting the building on fire or some woman yells some allegations and you lose money that could have been profit.

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>>52362696
It would really add to the attitude everyone seems to take towards Sora, the only weird thing is that they treat A-chan a different way at the same time

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>>52398330
A chan was literally Soras waterboy and only got later into tech and other stuff to stay in the company. At least that's the offical story.
The performer gets the most praise and the one who makes sure they don't forget they have a gig next monday or make sure the drink she likes is there isn't treated equal but lots of holomems spoke out their respect to A-chan.

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>>52362696
makes sense

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>>52359418
The average talent like Coco back then receive 50/50 cut on their merch, and top performers like Pekora or Suisei get a much better cut.

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>>52360967
Interesting. Are there any official translations?

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>>52377192
>if their merch sells for shit of course they won't get money from it.
#1 Best Seller.
Doesn't seem to ever be a problem anytime soon.
I'm curious how much they will receive for this?

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>>52391432
he's probably already invested in anycolor and got in from those shares cover sold recently. that's why the retard was asking why he's not making as much money from hololive

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Shipping costs have improved. Gura's whole Birthday set costs $20 from the Official Site to ship to the US. Much better than before, and less than GeekJack.

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>>52402247
>on their merch
Depends on who designed and put the money to make them. If the talent did everything, I think that's the rate otherwise if they did jackshit they get a tiny fee. Overall it isn't a bad deal.

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>>52398073
>Short term shotgun is the best for the money
Only if all play the same game. The competition that invests in itself will surpass them, especially over time.
Without Hololive, Nijisanji's tactics would make more sense. Now it's giving diminishing returns.

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>>52389887
>That Cover needed to offer a $350 monetary incentive to get them to shill merch during a 2 hour Among Us collab does indicate that hololive talents aren't getting that much from generic merch sales.
Doesn't that explain the lack of participation? Most of EN didn't bother. Luckily ID joined in, even doing it for free.

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>>52405042
Yeah, 175 bucks/h wasn't enough to be considered if we go by participation.

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>>52404465
diminishing returns where they have more revenue and profit than cover?

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>>52358803
>I don't know the inner workings of my rival
dyrbi?

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>>52402247
nah the girls are putting their money on the merch too. no fucking way cover just gives them the cut without asking them to chime in on the costs.
let's say merch costs $60 to produce and they sell for $100. talents funds $30, cover covers $30. 50/50. $20 profit for both.
there's no way cover is gonna split 50/50 if they paid full for the production costs. they're literally losing money in that scenario. of course this is oversimplified.
>top performers getting better cut
maybe if they are putting more money than cover. just adjust the numbers above. no way cover is gonna bend over and just give them more cut if it's still 50/50. businesses don't work like that.
while we're here
>niji 2%
generic shitty merch with dirt cheap production costs. anycolor is funding all, talents is only there to exist and shill. $1 to produce, sell for $10. 100 units sold is $1000, talents get $20 as a thanks for having fans and shilling KEK. nasty business but that's how it is.

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>>52412554
>the girls are putting their money on the merch too
This is a known fact. After Kanata put out 60USD shirts in large stocks that didn't sell at all the company rules changed. They have to pay a part of the production either frontroll it or pay by future income. Kanata, Lamy and a bunch of others talked about that.

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>>52410844
yagoo is too focused on his stars to look into how anycolor manages their boys

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>>52412554
>generic shitty merch with dirt cheap production costs. anycolor is funding all, talents is only there to exist and shill. $1 to produce, sell for $10. 100 units sold is $1000, talents get $20 as a thanks for having fans and shilling
People also tend to forget or deny that hololive does this exact same thing. The difference is that they periodically have other merch besides the cheap garbage that clearly sells so much better that it makes merch sales look bad to these public shareholders.

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>>52418553
I'm not buying acrylic stands and then paying $20+ for shipping.

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>>52395413
Literal vampires desu, all shareholders are pump-and-dumpers, this is something the commies aren't wrong about

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>>52418553
paying Hololive for a slice of plastic with a picture on it isn't worth 50€. I'd rather spend my money on a 5 minute niji voice pack.

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i see a lot of 2% deflection posts. why?

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>>52419485
Now what about nijis pieces of plastic?

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>>52412554

Yep. "Why the talents get more merch percentage?". Well, fucker that only saw a chart before asking that question, that's because the talent put their own fucking money for that merch, so they get a bigger cut.

Also lol at the guy that asked "Why no China?". Dude really bought shares of a company without doing research, did he?

It says a lot that these questions are so fucking stupid that they even got this place to drop their usual "I'm going to be an edgy contrarian" style to just shit on these morons, same as everywhere else.