Does hard work matter?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Yes, that's why the homos out ranked kiara in HK

[Anonymous No.]

Yes.
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Some Holos only appeal to westerners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
If you’re a talentless bitch like Kiara? Nope, zero times x is zero

[Anonymous No.]

streamers are just parasocial personality content. none of them are 'talented' and they will never be talented regardless of what work they do at this stage. if they were talented, they wouldnt be streamers. they would be in proper showbusiness. they are pretend girlfriends on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
It depends

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286175
Her talent makes you seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Show the full piture

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286255
success in 'proper showbusiness' is a game of nepotism and social ladder climbing. you're more likely to be talented if you make it but not making it doesn't mean you aren't talented

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not going to watch your 3view shitter. I've already given them a chance. No, you do not have a pocket vtuber that I've never seen. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

Weak people (asians in this case) flock to whatever's considered popular at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>playing vidya
>hard work
In the grand scheme of things neither Mori nor Kiara are hardworking, but you gotta cope, can't let the antis win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Nah, you just need to be the right color.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286175
no talent is crazy
>can actually sing
>works the hardest
>holds and maintains idol culture
>does everything that everyone else doesn’t
>not a homobeggar

Kiara is the epitome is a good vtuber, and i don’t even watch her

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
being likeable requires hard work too

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
She has a really fat ass too

[Anonymous No.]

kiara forgot to spec into charisma

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286564
Yea this one's undeniable

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
ITT: Bannedvtmemes samefagging another Gura/Kiara bait thread to deflect from the pippa yab

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
This type of polling can really fuck with the talent's heads if they take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Not being an insufferable cunt matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
vtubing is like 80% the model. People will convince themselves they like you if your model is appealing to them. They may not stay long term, but you'll get their money and viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

Fauna was the EN with the least votes in that event, even lower than Kiara or the homos.
Some just don't have universal(aka surface-level) appeal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
>cute design
>cute voice
vs
>grating design
>grating voice
This is literally all that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286671
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
>>52286686
3 vote per person, all holos and stars included except graduated one.
Yeah including JP scoring is hard.. Too many talented people on hololive

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/OI-gvcMDLLI

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>>52285996
Gura is a meme vtuber, and I mean this in the best way.
You know how there's algorithm autists for Youtube that minmax thumbnails, ad timings, sponsorship shoutouts, and general common denominator content formats to maximize revenue earnings? Well Gura can do whatever she wants, and it doesn't matter because it will blow up no matter what she does.
Gura is literally akin to magic in the content creation world, because anyone else in her position could not re-create her success. This is the power of memes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
Yopi...weine...

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286836
This.

>bag

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
>can actually sing
debatable
>works the hardest
more like she talks about working hard the most to attention whore
>holds and maintains idol culture
she doesn't really
>does everything that everyone else doesn’t
what do you even mean
>not a homobeggar
she was exposed as a homobeggar already

[Anonymous No.]

""""work""""

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287053
Not an argument, you just don't like her

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287022
I swear you fuckers are so annoying with that "Bag" shit.
Only few even voted Gura for best businesswoman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
>All the incredibly girly ones including Fauna scoring low
>Males scoring high
Oh I see, this convention was frequented by femcels and troons. OP is a tempiss sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286803
true. all these whores are gonna lose their job when real ais roll out

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287140
> Blue Bag

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
Is the bottom Yagoo or just Cover in general? Either way, the fact that it got more stars than the majority of actual members is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Fuck no. Whether by accident or on purpose, Gura does it right. Her design is arguably the most iconic in the entire company and nobody cares that she doesn't stream or do much of anything, she's like a mascot. She gets fucktons of money into the company no matter what and Cover has ZERO problems with it. Hard work is unironically for naive retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
based Nenechi

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Look at manjigumi now look back at me

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286417
Have you watched Hex Croft?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
>>52286772

What is this context of this picture, some con?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287195
Are you implying Aqua, Miko, Marine, Pekora, Nene and Gura are not feminine? KYS

[Anonymous No.]

>BVTM cucks still trying

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>>52286523
>Kiara is the perfect vtuber and is the best unlike all those other whores
>I don't actually watch her though
many such cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
>and i don’t even watch her
And that's her main issue. She's still uncapable of escaping the hellhole antis dug and threw her into when she debuted and struggles to get a decent ccv in comparison to other EN holos as a result.
It's disheartening that even with the stuff you've described almost nobody gives two shits about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287547
some event in hong kong

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>>52285996
Hard work got kiara in the top .1% of vtubers, but all the effort in the world will not match up with the popular girls in that .1% that either through luck or natural talent are beloved. Gura is basically retired and doing the same shtick when she streams once a month and she'll still pull ten times the numbers of Kiara. It's not fair but it is what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287140
It's annoying for sure, but she hit the gold with it. Does anyone remember whatever shit the others had to peddle? No, Gura stole the spotlight and everyone's mindspace with the bag gag. Her advertising turned out to be the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
yes, but not from the talent.

[Anonymous No.]

#1 Best Seller.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4758018286
While all of Myth is part of it, let's not kid ourselves on who the main attraction is. Gura's Duolingo getting 3 million views is no fluke. She's loved internationally.

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>>52286523
Some of those are debatable honestly. Like why do you think she works the hardest? Why do you think she holds and maintains idol culture better than IRyS or Fauna, or anyone who doesn't collab with males?

I think Kiara is just sabotaging herself. Like she uses that awful chicken voice instead of her real one, which I'm told is really nice. She insists on stupid memes like KFP, which would be a cute one off joke but is just gay naming her entire audience after it. She HAS to yuri bait with every single woman she meets for some reason. She'd be doing pretty well if she just had a manager that could give her some good advice, but Hololive EN is run my nigger trannies who'd rather cut their dicks off than do their job.

[Anonymous No.]

#1 Best Seller.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4758018286
While all of Myth is represented, let's not kid ourselves on who the main attraction is. Gura's Duolingo getting 3 million views is no fluke. She's loved internationally.

[Anonymous No.]

The answer is simple - she tries too hard. She tries too hard to “fit” being a funny vtuber, it’s almost like she joined as a vtuber “fan” but without actually knowing how to entertain. She was my favorite at first until I realized how forced everything feels.
Gura is funnier effortlessly and so are many other vtubers unfortunately

[Anonymous No.]

Holo vs Holo
Love to see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
She lost the cunny model lottery

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>>52286523
I genuinely cannot figure out why I don't care for Kiara's streams. Some autist playing JRPGs for hours is right up my alley, I watched Elira's last 8 hour Persona 4 stream and it was my favorite stream of the week. But she plays Tales of or Fire Emblem and it's fucking zzz's baby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
I don't care how much work she puts in. Her fake voice unironically gives me headaches. I can't enjoy someone who actively hurts my head. Unless I'm in bed with them, but that's a completely different story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
talent > hard work

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287881
NTA but I assumed we were talking about Myth, not EN. Though the rest of your points I completely agree with. Some of her biggest problems are self-sabotage from forcing shit instead of working on cultivating natural charisma

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
good model matter.
kiara is cursed with shitty model.

[Anonymous No.]

I like Myth because of the widely different personalities. Kiara is Kiara. There would be a void in Myth without her, more noticeable than others, not counting Gura.
Wrong to expect everyone to work the same. Glad they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288370
Accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287637
>antis dug and threw her into
She dug it herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288370
There are no bad models in hololive, maybe IRyS 1.0
She was cursed with the retarded urge to push her chicken voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288264
Correct, but
talent + hard work > just talent

which is why suisei is mogging gura and everyone else in views and in stars in this silly poll

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
Suityan, I kneel...

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288370
I love her hair and eyes but it's crazy that she keeps getting absolutely dogshit outfits. There's ways to make bright-ass orange work.

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara's voice is painful to listen to.
Every collab with her in it reminds me of how geniunely painful it is to listen to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286175
Nah, kiwawa may not be the stronger holo but is strong compared to other bitches outside of hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
This ignores that as an aspiring VA Gura was honing her skills for almost ten years right? Her speech mannerisms ain't something you can find anywhere and her musical talent is probably the byproduct of it
https://litter.catbox.moe/rvdgi6.mp4
https://litter.catbox.moe/rx5a9o.webm
https://youtu.be/jFxm5Qq7Grs?t=234

What was Kiara doing during those pre-hololive years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288457
>>52287637
anti's ain't do shit but brat themselves off

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288243
>>52288863
the voice thing is absolutely pure stubbornness on her part. Her fans love to say she's toned it down, but who cares about a slightly toned down version of nails on a chalkboard when she could just easily talk like her RM which is WAY less annoying. She could do it so easily in a way that would feel natural
>"Burst into flames" in the middle of a stream
>stream goes dead
>hold a phoenix revival stream
>emerge with normal voice of adult european woman that doesn't sound like a mangled squeaky toy

She'd get a big event and a better voice, there, problem fucking solved

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289021
This is doxx bait anybody here linger than a week would know

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289021
>Her speech mannerisms ain't something you can find anywhere
Slurring? You can't find slurring? Is that a joke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289091
I don't know how her RM talks, but it has to be infinitely better than this. If she drops it, I'll happily give her another test, even with her design looking like dogshit in my opinion. She doesn't even need to make a big deal out of the voice change. Tons of Holos and vtubers in general start off with fake voices and slowly relax into their natural voice once they realize people will like them for who they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289021
>Her speech mannerisms ain't something you can find anywhere
She's got a dupe so convincing in her own company that her own coworkers get them confused. It's college girl tumblr cutesy, it's really not that rare at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289021
anon, she is clearly a beginner, you are completely blinded by fanaticism if you actually think she has any kind of skill to do professional VA work, her best bet is he hololive brand name, thats all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
Something tells me the people who vote on this shit don't watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
It does if you don't have the voice of a cat in a blender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286088

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289021
>What was Kiara doing during those pre-hololive years?
getting blacked and riced and crying on stream lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289449
>He doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

I swear to fucking god if I see this shit on BVTM you fucks are absolutely shameless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289575
the halloween one is by far the worst one quality-wise, so that argument doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>52289541
Your mother isn't part of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289722
I'd get another ban if tried explaining it to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289833
I know exactly what you are saying, and again, it doesn't matter. Her newest hololive stuff is lowest quality, so any argument about time is irrelevant. How are you not getting this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289881
I get that it's your head cannon, not a popular opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289955
whatever makes you feel better about your benzo-addled slurring oshi's "VA career" I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
>all of the lolis have the most stars purely because of their design
just make holoen3 the loli gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290103
Not me, other HoloEN's opinions about it.
Yes, they have more weight than yours, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290103
she sounds so much like my benzo addicted sister that I genuinely could not watch more than 15 minutes of her last stream. Her fans brag about her "anxiety" like it's a badge of honor but never once even wonder what the standard treatment for anxiety is. Really fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.]

bros it's not even funny, what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290315
>OP outs himself
Pippa deserved it

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
>hard work
roru roru

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286069
china

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290315
>have legit never listened to any of these eight niggas, never heard their voice, have no idea what any of their names are
>all eight of them are more popular than Takanashi Kiara of HoloEN English

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286255
even fauna?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286564
Kiara has a normal sized ass dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290315
>Axel's fans somehow succeed at making a straight line
I'm actually shocked at this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290479
>she doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290479
blindchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290153
Good evening sir, may I have a moment of your time to talk to you about idol Corp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290490
Magni fans would organize themselves into a penis

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
>I don't even watch her
Lmaooooooooo
That's the crux of the issue my friend.
People not only want to watch Gura they do so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290553
Vesper's droops down just like his erection.

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>>52285996
Eh another Kiara hate thread despite her being the runt. Just reminds me that
there were several people that were celebrating Kiara's failed idol dreams and were convinced she could never find a stable, well paying career as an entertainer/youtuber/singer etc..
and when she got hired by Cover, it was like a slap in the face for these people. I am guessing you are one of those people that did not see her end up being a wagie hotel worker and is still butthurt about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289021
>That first vid
Jesus, the English VA cast of Hamtaro held notes better than her

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Hard work doesn't beat lack of charisma

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290553
Im gonna rape you

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
I would just like to thank that other thread in the catalog to help me notice that AZKI is repeated twice and has taken Haachama's place in the voting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
You can be a normal girl and become popular by working hard, but if people find you annoying you will never incline no matter how hard you work

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290790
I also liked that Ollie's picture is twice as big, no explanation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290790
Haachama is below Aki, the second Azki replaced Fubuki, who's only in the Gamers section.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290707
Really? You're going to rape me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290564
i don’t even watch gura either, i only watch a couple of vtubers, maybe 5. She may not be ‘entertaining’, but i think being a good chuuba is how you try, i watch vtubers who only get 100 views and they are enjoyable, in reality it’s a subjective aesthetic, and it differs from one and another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
>using OldRyS in 2023
Fuck bugs

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290841
Oh yeah, looked again and she's there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
Can your oshi's fanbase place stickers in a straight line?
>Watame
No they cannot

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290922
They fear her power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287195
>Picrel both "good girls"
>Tempiss sister


Your head is addled with hate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290983
>Bae
I would be upset if they were even trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290670
That is the truth about all bait and seethe threads. The OP/discord grp knows that the vtuber they hate are doing well in life and financially and are pretty happy/comfortable. So the only way for them to vent and cope with their frustrations and seethe is through spamming catalog threads and shitting up generals.
Notice how 80-90% of non-general catalog threads are based on Myth or Council members. Not NijiEN or PC or IdolEN etc..

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
rushia stars

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290315
The fact that you ignore Fauna's lower score, knowing everyone will point out she has the highest CCV in EN after Gura. Outs you as a fucking bannedvtmemes dickrider.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
>>not a homobeggar

THE GIRL LITERALY GOT AROUSED WITH VESPER RAID

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
YES

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289239
Yeah, its a lot more normal, I've seen her RM/pilot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288177
Kiara is too feminine for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290292
Just like those same mfs who'd proudly declare they're introverts when all it is is that they're an ass to socialize with.

And they're using that anxiety as a thorned shield so that they can keep "THEM" away from their beloved shark. You know who exactly I'm talking about with "THEM". They're in the same sheet as OP pic after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
No.
There's always someone who will be richer or better than you by doing nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289497
KFPbros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
What is this from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
are we really ranking oshis with good noodle stars?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290684
with airy falsetto? yeah your mom can do it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287613
Actually just one case, literally just Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
It is. See Watame and Koyori for example.
Kiara could get a big fanbase of savior fags if she wasn't a insufferable woke shit before Hololive. Her effort to connect with Vshitshow also isolated her main fanbase further.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52292450
>if she wasn't a insufferable woke shit before Hololive
nobody who placed a sticker speaks english. I can guarantee you that is not the reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Another pippa deflection thread, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
>work harder
>not smarter
SEAJungle Thread
probably Bvtm deflection thread

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the most subscribed vtuber in the world losing to Suisei?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52292487
YJK
>>52290670

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Lol chumpedo

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289497
Tbf I've tried multiple times but her voice is unbearable

[Anonymous No.]

>>52292765
go to bed

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290707
Not if I rape you first

[Anonymous No.]

>>52292765
hah I ain't either of you niggas

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290315
Why are the BVTM cucks trying so desperately to force this narrative that Kiara is an absolute shitter and that the homos are more popular? You realize 5/8 of them are unironic 3views right? And you realize that Kiara still absolutely mogs your Phase whores and 80% of NijiEN, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52288177
Kiara doesn't really care about the games. She reads chat while skipping dialogue. She claims to be a JRPG fan but she is very casual. She just plays the games to get some credit from her weeb fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287637
i think you underestimate how much her model and personality filters people. she can't attract the pedo, GFE, Trash Taste, or mainstream zoomer audience. Her audience are unironically the most likely to be idol fans which is why they're the most loyal and supportive out of everyone's communities despite being the smallest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
hard work matters, just not as much as it should.

[Anonymous No.]

I love the subversion Kiara provides. Upon hearing her, you'd expect that high school mean girl but when you know better, she's a heart-on-sleeve girl. And shitpostings would not shake me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52293093
>She reads chat while skipping dialogue
Kiara skipping dialogue is rarer than you having sex.
>She claims to be a JRPG fan but she is very casual.
She streams JRPGs to completion even though she knows knows long JRPG series do shit numbers because she loves them so much. That's the opposite of casual.
>She just plays the games to get some credit from her weeb fans.
>source: I'm making it up
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>52292890
wow he actually went to bed. good work

[Anonymous No.]

>>52291360
the only good post

Based hoshiyomi

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290454
Especially Fauna. You think she got big because of her eloquent speech and her gaming skills? Fuck no, she got popular because her mommy shtick and her cowkini pandered to the coomer fanbase, plus she inherited part of the Gura and the Ina audience when they went on their subjective hiatuses. Talent or hard work had nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286671
Lmao I need this dudes copium, must be some good shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294282
definitely not gaming skills. GOI master, but only up is too hard for her. it's a zatsu game amirite...

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294282
Seethe harder you mentally ill jealous femcel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Lifetime Super Chat revenue:
Gawr Gura: $1,167,872
Takanashi Kiara: $1,464,728

Yes, apparently it does matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52285996
Not as much in the entertainment industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290874
please be my gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>52293581
Her last JRPG stream was Fire Emblem on April 16 or did I miss something? You claim she isn't a casual because she does clear the games. Do you realize how sad that is?
What was her best JRPG stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294755
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294414
She will try again your retarded game, anti.
Imagine judging fauna's gamer skill based on one stream.

[Anonymous No.]

most of those points given can easily be explained by:
-SEA"""people""" are numberniggers(their currency is shit pls understand)
-Streaming at hours their majority are sleeping

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294800

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286772
Aki got less votes than the homos, grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
people are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>52289091
that wouldn't change shit, people that don't like her would just find another reason to hate her.
Just look at this thread, there was no yab or anything, someone just decided to open up a bait thread because they woke up and thought "man, i sure hate Kiara".

[Anonymous No.]

>>52287670
her bag sold less than Ina's ramen shit and about the same as Mori's gay pendant
try living out of vt bubble sonetimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>52290551
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294788
so what is TOTK? because people that don't like it keep saying it's a "shitty jrpg"

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
banned vt memes screencap bait

daily reminder plappa plapkin (nipples protruding) got caught getting fucked by a dramatuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286384
>success in 'proper showbusiness' is a game of nepotism and social ladder climbing
Often times it's not even that. It's just dumb luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52295230
TotK is a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.]

>>52295238
Totk is fun but there are enough flaws I would not call it a masterpiece. In fact I would say that in the context of a 3D Zelda game it's only better than Skyward Sword.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
Kiara would be top vtuber if all time if she had
>cute voice
>cunny model
>gfe
>american
Shame it had to be this way

[Anonymous No.]

>>52295230
It's not a JRPG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
>can actually sing
It's a pity her mic settings make her voice sound piercing and peaking
>works the hardest
"Welcome to Holotalk! It's just a marshmallow collab with a commissioned set, I can't be bothered to think of questions so I just ask twitter for help"
>holds and maintains idol culture
Enabling and encouraging schizo behavior is not commendable
>does everything that everyone else doesn't
There's a reason, just look at her numbers
>not a homobeggar
Why would she need to beg when she can interact with them any time she wants? And she has, on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>52294605
Is that recent? Because that's very fucking bad for Kiara. Gura never streams or have read SCs when she did. And I do I have to mention merch to you?
In any case, in the end, it doesn't fucking matter, Kiara still earns more than your entire family tree so w/e, that's still being successful and she's rewarded for her efforts, this thread is bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286523
>can actually sing
lol no
>maintains idol culture
She follows the homo's on Twitter and has talked about them on stream.

This guy is probably a Gura anti who is jealous that she is more successful and popular than his oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>52295331
Silence chud

[Anonymous No.]

>>52295452
ik you motherfuckers like little kids but not everything has to be cunny yknow. her model is alright the talent behind it just need to put some more work into it

[Anonymous No.]

>>52295699
>it just need to put some more work
The copium lmao
She already puts a lot of work into it retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286255
>proper showbusiness
>talented
Got me to reply, good job anon

[Anonymous No.]

This thread stinks

[Anonymous No.]

her default model is unironically her biggest debuff.
there are girls like Luna that are way more ear rape but people still go and watch.
if you put her next to ALL other EN girls you will see huke shat the bed on that, it doesn't stand out in any way except the color. her face and hair and stuff is great, but that retarded hooker outfit with fastfood uniform details and the hats just look like something a 14 year old would come up with.

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>>52295699
She could die of overwork and still wouldn't be as popular. Model is the issue.

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>>52295699
that doesn't explain the OP image then
gura barely streams vs. her that works hard

dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

This is obvious bait by bannedvtmemes

None of you actually care about idol culture, you don't care about Kiara and you just use numbers to shitpost.

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>>52286772
>Homos got more votes the Koro Fubuki
Peak 2023 tourists

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>>52295699
>not everything has to be cunny

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK, ESPECIALLY UOH OVER THERE!

[Anonymous No.]

Holy samefagging.

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Kiara eats 1 (ONE) A5 wagyu steak with gold flakes and eggs start boiling over, success breeds jealousy.

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>>52286772
Neatly ordered votes = well behaved intelligent fans
Votes all over the place = literal subhuman apes

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>>52286772
>Nene more popular than the rest of her gen combined
weird

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>>52296056
stfu samefag nigger

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>>52286772
That's so fucking shitty, they just printed everything on regular ass paper and literally taped it to a board. Looks like an elementary school project.

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>>52295002
Most of Aki's viewers are either in Japan or the US.

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>>52295091
wrong
ina's ramen stopper was 2nd and mori's pendant was 4th place after ame's cap
kiara's thermo bottle is last

[Anonymous No.]

This thread was posted during lunchtime in Jakarta.

[Anonymous No.]

So no one gaf about Kobo outside of ID.

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>>52285996
Kiara uses an annoying and then complains it hurts her throat after 2 years. Compare that to Pekora, Korone or Subaru. Just because someone streams more than another one doesn't mean they are hardworking. Talent also is important. I find Kiara boring and annoying no matter how many hours she puts into it.

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>>52292889
Does this image always get the same reply or its just me?

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>>52296258
NTA mothafucka.

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>>52296755
You don't watch Kiara and you probably never gave her a chance beyond one or 2 streams.

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>>52295044
This, I'm sick and fucking tired of seeing this board practically turnt Cult/Slaves from one year to the next so any argument worth Merit gets handed to the cheat sheet and it pisses me off to see

Any support or actual criticism doesn't even properly get talked about here due to the sheer amount of Ostrich head-in-ass echo chamber'ing and cannibalism that's become the new "blah-blah, can't hear you"

Every participant here deserves Hell, and I'll throw myself in it sense I typed all this shit up, might as well

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>>52286772
Reine...

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>>52285996
>Does hard work matter?
Yes

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>>52285996
OH NO NO NO KFPBROS WE GOT TO COCKY

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>>52296925
>4chan
>actual discussions
kek, did you wake up from a 10 year coma or something? this whole place has long turned into a shitposting board, even fucking hobby boards like /n/ are spiralling down this path.

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>>52296890
3 yes 2 early ones and the last one was part of her 12 hour anniversary

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>>52286772
Isn't this all highly location dependent? That vote was done in HK, at an event with a high female audience. Someone like Fauna has almost 0 Asian fans, all her fans are western.
So she'll do better at polls like the Offkai one posted here
The one thing I've noticed is that Suisei is always popular no matter the location or demographic

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>>52285996
>>52286523
SEAkeks don't deserve mommy

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>>52286772
Suisei domination.

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>>52285996
Yes, but cunny matters much more.

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>>52298318
>>52298398
nice samefag, sapkek

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>>52295690
Why are Nintentoddlers like this?

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>>52298486
Don't you dare call me a sapling.

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>>52298318
>Isn't this all highly location dependent?
Yes, but that never stopped people shitposting before. Most of the people voting also only have a surface level knowledge of Holo, so just vote for whoever went viral with a clip/song.

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>>52285996
>>52286772
What is this?

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>>52295078
>that wouldn't change shit, people that don't like her would just find another reason to hate her.

Not the anon but her fake voice is indeed why I can't listen to her for too long.
I think people are just engaging in copium if they can't admit Kiara's voice filters people.

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>>52285996
I guarantee those most of those gura stickers are from underaged clipfaggots. They never deserved Kiara in the first place.

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>>52286772
>twappi
>suisei
>mori

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>>52298318
>that pemaloe who stuck his sticker right on Kaela's crotch
Based

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>>52299917
Also NTA, but I just really don't get the complaints.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtG3C64lLJA
In this collab for example, she's with two other EN members and I'd argue that she has the lowest pitch of the bunch, yet anons still claim it's shrill. When I browse normalfag sites, I also see zero complaints about her voice. What is it that makes it bad, then? Is it because of her model not being cutesy enough, creating a dissonance? Because that's the only option I can see.

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>>52300495
It's literally something tourists invented because they ran out of excuses to not watch her.
Her voice actually got less complaints in the first year when it was at its worst, that should tell you everything.

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>>52285996
>>52285996
>>52285996
>hard work
nigga they're roasties hiding behind anime models making noises at a mic. You and them don't know what "hard work" is.

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>>52295699
no really i like both hag and loli and everything inbetween but kiaras model is an eyesore, especially the outfit she used in the offcollab with kobo and mori, id be more willing to watch her if her model wasnt so ugly

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>>52285996
You know that's a jack off ranking, right?

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>>52294826
i was only half listening, but it sounded like she wasn't trying again... i'd love to be wrong.

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>>52295850
I watch Luna because she streams good games and gets autistic about stuff. She is obsessed with her Minecraft trains right now.

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>>52293046
Why only 80%? Vox and Selen don't even get 5k anymore. I think it's safe to say that kiara mogs the entirety of nijien.

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>>52286772
>>52286772
>>52286772
Context? Where is this even from? I reverse searched it and got nothing.

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>>52286772
hoshiyomis... i kneel

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>>52287554
Pekora is absolute not feminine.
Gura has a rather feminine personality but she feels she needs to hide it from chumbuds most of the time. Her model is also not feminine.

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>>52287943
ah poorfagchama - make it less obvious you were never able to watch either Gura or Kiara

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>>52285996
'How much does it matter?' vs 'Does it matter at all?'
are two different things

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>>52288471
> what is Flare 1.0?
fucking newfag
Kiara's main outfit is dogshit because of the fast food theme. Huke tried his best to make that concept sexy but it is an insanely stupid theme that can simply not work.

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>>52296778
It does. He really loves that reddit picture to death and will always samefag to it the same way.

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>>52286523
(You)

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>>52285996
connections matter more than hardwork. Hardwork has value, but its a LOT smaller than people are lead to believe.

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>>52286523
The list looks like it's Mori's

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>>52298318
Even here Suisei mogs everyone.

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>>52304035
Except the last one, but that last one is a catalognig excuse so that dont count.

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>>52301912
Don't forget those godly electone streams

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>>52285996
>Does hard work matter?
Yes

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>is popularity based on merit
if you weren't retarded you would know the answer to this

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>>52285996
Yes, it does matter. If Kiara didn't worked hard then she wouldn't be in a place where she is now. You idiots can rage and insult her all you want, but you will not take away her achievements made in Hololive

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>>52304831
yeah, as much as I respect the rest of Myth I don't think they would have been able to recover from being dealt such a shitty hand as her with that stupid fast food theme
we would have had another Flare situation on our hand where whoever got Kiara's default outfit would refuse to wear it ever again as soon as they got another outfit (even Kiara prefers not to wear her default) but even that would not have solved much because even her lore is tainted
Kiara being able to own that shit and turn it into something somewhat positive is a miracle

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>>52286772
>Vesper having the least votes in tempiss despite having the highest ccv
i have to laugh

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>everyone I don’t like is a reddit screencap account

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>>52286772
I actually think Suisei is cool. I like how many she got.

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>>52286772
Is it me or does the shadow taking the picture kinda resemble the silhouette of Ryan Gosling in the jacket from Blade Runner 2049

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>>52304133
How come Suisei is so popular everywhere and sells a shitton of albums and her merch is worth 10 times more than others in the aftermarket but is only mid in sub numbers?

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>>52305469
She's very easy to be a casual fan of, someone who you can claim "oh I love her music", but she's not so consistent with streaming. Not that she needs to, mind you, but subscriber growth correlates with either big moments like her appearance on The First Take, or well produced regular content which you don't want to miss.

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>>52285996
Not for popularity contests.

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>>52305469
Bro she's either in the list or close to the top 10 most subscribed vtubers in the world. How is that even mid?

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>>52286772
>ranking Fauna that low
SEAgroids deserve infinite tsunamis.

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>>52285996
>vagueposting this hard
kys

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>>52301986
>Why only 80%? Vox and Selen don't even get 5k anymore.
I mean, neither does Kiara.

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>>52301268
>eyesore
i remember now, she has a pacifier on one of jer outfits. now i feel disgusted

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>>52286772
>>52285996
Yeah, it's super obvious that this convention was majority female fans

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>>52300495
Reddit is normalfag site and the complaints about her voice were universal (same as on here). Another comment said
"Then I would watch her in collabs and notice how naturally she fits in with everyone, which made me tolerate her."
And that tracks with my experience as well. When she talks to other people, she doesn't have to play up her character bit and has a more relaxed tone. As people in this thread told you, she has changed from debut, but first impressions stick for a long time. Unironically it's the newer viewers who might have a better impression of her.

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>>52286069
Is Kiara the least popular Holo

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>>52285996
Yeah but first you gotta be actually likable and naturally charismatic

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>>52317947
who is iofi
no really what the fuck I dont even know what she does, is she still in the drawing gig

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>>52298318
>Again, Lofi only gets one vote
WHO
WHO IS THIS LOFI MAN?!

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No real need to work hard as a vtuber if you just exploit the many kiddyfuckers that hopped onto modern japanese online culture and media due to their lax views on pedophilia, caused primarily by their state of society being bent around backwards by the rapid cultural morphing that occurred following a double nuking.
Sorry typo I meant uuoooohh ToT gura

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>>52318497
>kiddyfuckers
Such a lewd word, reminds me of those voice AI for Kronii where the AI Kronii voice had her proudly proclaiming herself as a kiddyfucker and pedomommy.

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>>52298318
damn,even Sana getting plenty more love than Iofi
Kiara should invite her for some german streams, i am pretty sure that almost noone knows that Iofi is fluent in german
so far she has basically no content in her german channel
the weak ones should bond and start pushing each other

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>>52318879
zeta sana rushia...
it's a weird poll

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>>52285996
this is entirely 100% because of the model nothing else
everyone at least tolerates vtuber spongebob but kiara is just an orange anime girl

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>>52285996
>Does hard work matter?
depends, but mostly not

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>>52286255
How many actors or actresses can't act for shit and just show up as themself and get paid millions to do it?
They got there from dumb luck and connections, just like Hololive members... or any kind of talent-based production. Your comment sounds like what an insane parasocial fan of a real celebrity would say to justify their behavior.

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>>52286772
>AZKi listed twice
lol fucking mongs

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>>52286523
>Can actually sing
I like Kiara, I watch her streams, I listen to her music. But her songs are all autotune. Great rhythm, but she can't hit the notes like the more talented ones can.

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>>52294282
I don't necessarily disagree but you sound inordinately mad about it, like you don't understand their appeal. Lots of talentless women are likeable regardless, sometimes even moreso than talented women. The thing about women is that they can be incompetent, stupid, clumsy, etc, and still be charming. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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>>52289605
See (You) on BVTM

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>>52286523
She is annoying and boring. You can't out work that.

[Anonymous No.]

If Kiara had a model that suited your tastes on debut, would you have given her a chance even with her voice and xbox microphone she was using back then?

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>>52286772
>Numberfagging in real life
Was this on a school or something? why would any self respecting event would put this mean spirited shit on their venue?

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>>52320230
i mean a lot of them like Jonah Hill Feldstein or Seth Rogan are just annoying faggots that keep getting pushed out of nepotism but i think there are some who fit your description like Nicholas Cage or The Rock who are well-received because they become loveable memes on their own bizarre charisma.

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Being a loli is hard work

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If Gura doesn't stream in the next couple of days then her entire total of content this month has just been a single 80 minute stream of a few pre-recorded performances and merch shilling.
Chumcucks should kill themselves, your oshii hates her job.

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>>52285996
yes but you also need to be smart about it

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>>52325713
My oshi is too busy raising her new child. I'm happy that she's taking the time she needs to recover from waking every 2-3 hours at night

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>>52285996
yes
>works hard learning voice acting
>works hard learning singing
>does vocal exercises daily
>doesn't stream when voice is dying
>rests her voice for WEEKS just in preparation for a single stream
vs
>lol let me just use this chicken voice

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>>52285996
Are you retarded? The question is rhetorical.

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>>52325713
At least she is more popular in Taiwan than Kiara and Fauna! This is only that matters.

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>>52321925
I don't mind her model.
Her voice is literally poison though.
She also isn't very interesting as a person.

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>>52285996
Is that why KFP have been so livid lately?

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>>52286772
I'm glad I was nowhere close to a gathering of people with such shit taste.

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>>52321633
I mean I don't think Fauna is as good as she's described as, but there's definitely good sides to her and I do honestly think she's a good talker and a better gamer than many of her EN peers. The fact that people stuck around when she was given exposure proves exactly that. But weren't for the stars aligning, she would still be on circa Mumei's level of popularity and not borderline the second most popular in EN.

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>>52285996
All that matters is making cute noises and have a fappable cartoon.

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>>52286523
>terrible voice
>terrible personality
>spams boring ass JRPGs
>only clippable content is her gossiping about company internals or coworkers
>mentally insane fanbase that harasses and attacks fans of other members all the time

yeah the epitome of a good vtuber

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>>52300495
its literally her voice. My normalfag boyfriend tried watching her Yakuza 0 playthrough but got filtered by her voice, but he had a nice time watching Gura's GTA V streams.

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>>52328322
It's not just her voice, her mannerisms are also off-putting.

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>>52285996
Work smart not harder. Invest in a passive income

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>>52328102
>acts like a woman for better and worse
Yes, she's the epitome of a VTuber, much better than fake voice whores autistic womanchild whores like Mumei.

[Anonymous No.]

300 doryaaaaaaaa

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>>52286088
Thank you

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>>52305469
People hear about her outside of YouTube.

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>>52286772
>>52298318
>Isn't this all highly location dependent?
This. Hololive talent popularity depends heavily on the language and time zone of the poll location.

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>>52285996
work smarter not harder they say

[Anonymous No.]

Of course hard work matters but it's not everything.

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>>52285996
Yes, despite the exceptions

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>>52298398
true

[Anonymous No.]

>>52286069
interesting

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>>52286772
Reine....

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>>52305469
It's 2023 and people still think sub counts mean everything?

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>>52286523
Annoying personality and voice.

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>19 hours thread.
Ye, fuck this faggot