/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Cover is failing to attract top (or even mid-tier) talents for HoloEN and it starting to show.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
idk man, have you seen their new office?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Who's a top talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Just like niji. And Vshojo became a retirement home. While small corps still struggle to break 1k ccv.

RIP

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488925
Rin, Yuko and Roca from IdolEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
l m a o

[Anonymous No.]

Translation: (You)r oshi didn’t get in, thus it’s “over”.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
Okay, now that the bar has been specified, I'm going to hard disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489051
>savvy business woman who managed to incline to the moon simply by releasing a few viral shorts
>top tier cunnytuber
>one of the best singers in the business
I'd say Aviel struck gold.

[Anonymous vtuber No.]

im planning on applying soon, maybe in a few months, I just want to finish polishing some skills up. Hope auditions dont close by then

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489109
>>top tier cunnytuber
please end your life if unironic

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489109
If Rin is as smart as you say then maybe she applied to a different company on purpose just so she can Collab with Stars without backlash.

[Anonymous No.]

>pointlessly twiddle your thumbs doing nothing except sucking Tempiss cock non-stop
>all the potential talents in EN go to one of the 5 billion upcoming corpos because there just straight up are no EN3 auditions (no your shitty "permanently open" auditions do not count, every knows it's just a scam to train their interns on)
>market dries up
>"EN3 auditions are now open!!"
It's literally all Tempiss fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Or they aren't hiring western women anymore because they're lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489198
Cock living rent free in your head bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
With how stagnated Myth and Council have become and the length it has taken to add new talents, I'm starting to think they have decided to recruit literal whos and have spent the past half a year or so training them to be proper, hard working talents. Every Member of Myth and Cope have a preestablished back up career and an audience that will follow them when they leave . They don't have any motivation to keep working. Hiring randoms and literal whos will keep them motivated to stay and actually fucking work.

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>>51488966
>yuko
>/k/tuber with doxxfag fan base who sucks depressed nousagis cock
you really tried to slide that retard in with the only 2 decent people at idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489380
>>/k/tuber
that's incredibly based tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488925
Kilia Kurayami

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489374
I hope so. we don't need any more lazy whores in HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
there is no hope for corpo vtubing in the EN sphere

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
I was seething that holo missed out on Rocca, what an incredible voice, I guess Rin would be okay too, give Mori someone else to bring to her tempus game nights after all every gen has to have at least one.
Maybe it could have been different but Yuko is full degenerate all the time, can she even go a single stream without talking about piss? Every asmr she does devolves into spitting on dicks and simulated blowjobs - why would you ever want her to be in holo unless you are trying to save a whore? Just let her keep being a cum extractor in idol it's what she is good at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489243
Where's Haato and Ayame?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
There isn't any "top-tier" ENs to find, what you've got is the best that's on offer

[Anonymous No.]

They have failed to do do since Myth. The vast majority of them would fall into irrevelancy without the blue dorito.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
> People here still thing people should be hired from the established vtuber scene.

lol. 2 Views and people outside the industry are the way to go. We know that EN3 was delayed because of management staffing difficulties not talent and the plan was always to announce them at Connect the World - since doing so beforehand would undermine the whole 'every EN is here' thing they're blatantly pushing for the concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
I only agree with Roca, add Jelly to the list too. With these two and probably Beryl as well you can really tell HoloEN doesn't care about scouting

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
*Merchant noises*

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
ID4 when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Why would they go to Hololive when they *know* they will be forced to do idol shit? It's much easier to sit back and stream as an indie, and if you make it you're swimming in cash. Look at Filian or Anny for examples.

Pic related, it's Anny walking the fuck away from a Hololive audition

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
stop being an impatient little fuck already

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966

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>>51489374
>training cope
Cover never did that with any branch before and they won't start doing it with an EN3. And how the fuck will they train streamer not having them stream? Please tell me what's this magical, hyperbolic chamber-like training that Cover made so that in 6 months they can make a hard working chuuba. This is Hololive we're talking about, not Niji with their VTA.

>>51491699
Yeah, let's bring a bunch of people who probably don't want anything to do with the idol shit Hololive was always about and are looking for a quick way to make money, because exactly that's what EN3 needs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Who are these top Indies there none. The reason there isn't a en3 branch is because the Indy market is flooded with twitch react chuubas cover isn't looking for that they're looking for someone who can sing dance and captivate and audience. TLDR there's no one worth a damned hiring

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494203
Yeah, let's forget how Cover hired some of the worst homos they could find in the last 12 months. Fucking Axel begging for money to buy a PS5 is so much better than every single girl out there, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
It's hard to find people that is not heavy involved into political or lgbtq bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
>holokeks having cognitive dissonance to cope
you love to see it

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494348
Kronii and Fauna work at Hololive, Anon. There is no such restriction on troons and the politically retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494348
Half of the homos are pozzed.

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>>51488966
I agree on Roca, but to be honest she is overqualified to even be a vtuber. She is skilled enough to literally contact any big music producer and they'd make her superstar on spot
She is fucking godsent golden goose

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494562
Nice try but I won't be watching your jewtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>51493922
Filian is interested in doing idol shit
she recently said that the only reasons she's still PG13 is to collab with hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494589
Too busy eating your veggies, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Holobased

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>>51494612
and has she collabed with hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494612
She also recently did a chaturbate collab with Mel so I don't think she has the same vision of "idol"

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>haven’t even debuted yet
>seething already because of doritos

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494650
she'll make it happen somehow

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494258
Homo branch has nothing to do with the girls branch at all. And everyone already knows males should not be in the vtubbing businesses. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring those shitters up when the conversation is about why cover isn't bringing anymore women.

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>>51492221
Holo's only real answer to Roca is Beryl, but they're not getting elher either.

People will invariably use both of them to shitpost after Council 2.0 is revealed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494661
She could be like the EN marine. Or is marine not an idol to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494906
Roca is like an Enna who is worse at making zatsu and gaming entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>Cover missed out on this
https://www.youtube.com/live/49Sx-3m4Ba0?feature=share&t=3428

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494589
I don't care. Enjoy you goyslop

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495023
LOL that is the goyslop you are watching retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495000
You're really comparing her to Enna? Come on now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494895
Because Cover not hiring any more women doesn't erase the fact that they hired a bunch of bottom of the barrel failures and tried to force the Hololive audience to watch them. They were the replacement for EN3 and Cover wanted people who were just there for the girls to watch them, to the point they shilled the faggots just as hard as they shilled Holox, ended their collab ban early only for HoloEN and ID and gave them a bunch of shit the absolute majority of the other gens from all the other branches only got years after debuting. Cover chose to hire the worst scum out there instead of just looking harder for 5 more girls (if they looked at all), so trying to divorce them from this conversation makes no fucking sense after all the bullshit that happened in the last 12 months.

>>51494906
EN3 at this point won't have any musical talent and coverdrones will see this as a great thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494661
unironically one of the best streams ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494941
Marine has never collabed with a literal whore while her avatar is nude. She does the "I'm horny" stuff as a bit, she's not actually like the twitchthots

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>streamers
>top talent
Lets be real, all the "top" streamers are thots or screaming reaction faggots. You either get someone who is popular or who is talented. You cant have both

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495251
Festival and Noel aren't much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495162
Ennaschizo be like that. After her failed rivalry with IRyS in his head, he needs some other chuuba to attack

[Anonymous No.]

Agreed, the perennial cope of tempus will never be en3 doesn't change the fact cover dropped everything to focus on finding males when they still had all the attention on them. They pissed away complete domination of the EN market for the homos no matter how much people try to say they have nothing to do with one another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495162
No, I'm saying she's like Enna if all Enna could do was sing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495516
it was already too late by the time Tempus 1 came out

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495195
You have yagoo to thanks for that mess. Until this day I still don't know what the fuck he was thinking? I mean even the niji chink fujo king is declining. This is a hobby for men to enjoy not women. I mean you'd think he learn from the mistakes the first tempiss branch did but no he doubled down and debuted another homo branch just to rub salt on the wound. I guess he wants to be known as a savior fag. But being a too much of a savior fag can have the opposite effect such as the current stagnant homo branch who couldn't draw flies to themselves even if they bathed themselves in dog shit.

[Anonymous No.]

A bunch of EN weren't even vtubers prior to hololive. Even more if you don't count pngtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>starting

[Anonymous No.]

>>51493922
>He thinks the problem with Hololive is being forced to do singing and dancing lessons
Holy shit are anons faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495840
I dont think it's a problem, but it is the path of least resistance for being a vtuber. I enjoy the idol stuff as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
Literally all of them are subpar except one is good at singing which really doesn't mean much

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494941
Clipnigger atleast try to hid it

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489400
/k/ is no longer an magical place
just bootlickers gaslit by glowniggers
mod is most likely an actual glownigger
ever since the leftysois got scared of me heckin orange drumf putting all the spics into concentration camps the troons all got hard into guns
nothing "/k/" is based anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495985
It's hide it, you brown skinned ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495904
>except one is good at singing which really doesn't mean much
It means having just one good, competent singer who's willing to dedicate herself to her craft and have a financial backing to develop her music (Cover doesn't pay for Covers and Originals, ironically), means it's a hell of a lot more than Council.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495535
Yes, Enna's only redeeming point is being a good singer. Everything else about her is completely rotten.

>>51495645
The worst part is how the company in the past knew that they should never promote a secondary product at the expense of their main one with all StarsJP gens debuting within a month and a half of another Hololive gen at worst, and it was the first one while all the others debuted on the same month only a few weeks before/after. Tempus was the first time the retards decided to make them the sole focus for an entire year without any plans to debut a third HoloEN gen anytime soon. I do hope this horrendously retarded bet taught them a lesson that even the west isn't that interested in the homos to the point of accepting them as a substitute for a new Hololive gen, but it's been 5 months since the debut of the second batch of homos and we haven't seen anything related to HoloEN outside of a few announcement here and there that still didn't give any results.

[Anonymous No.]

EN3 and HoloEN as a whole is unsalvageable and there's way, way too much bad blood between the company and its fans due to Tempus and yabs from certain chuubas. I was effectively only watching Gura for the last year plus, which obviously means I barely watched Hololive at all. My membership to her expired ten days ago and I'm not renewing it.

There is no reason or benefit for any indie or newbie to apply for EN3, because you'll be saddled by gigantic expectations to revitalize the whole damn branch, and every single thing you do could destroy you. On top of that there is no reason for the fans to watch you unless you explicitly adopt a no male policy, which in turn means you'll piss off the homobeggars and other such people. HoloEN is in a colossal, unstoppable decline and the only reason it's still holding on is due to its legacy status, but it's definitely a has-been that failed due to sheer idiocy. EN management is wholly incompetent, Tempus was a baffling disaster of a decision, and the talents themselves grew massive egos interspersed with insults towards their audience and an occasional yab. Watching HoloEN just isn't fun or engaging. It's a boomeresque retirement home where nominally great chuubas go to yell at clouds and live off of past glories. For me personally it was all over when Gura effectively quit.

Nijisanji is a clusterfuck of a different kind and is equally as undesirable to be a part of and unwatchable to anyone but fujos and the saddest cucks.

Vtubing in the West however is doing great. But its development, content and FUN is happening in small corpos and indies. Their audiences are invested, lively, and proactively cheering the girls on. The culture is alive and well, and in fact thriving. One of the signs of how little HoloEN and NijiEN mean today is the fact Idol isn't competing with any of them - it's competing with Phase and Phase is competing with them. The two big players are just hot air balloons nobody takes seriously anymore, and in both cases they destroyed themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494203
>>51488925
I mean, even if you wanted to hire only people interested in being idols, there's plenty of good 2views out there. They are 2 views because the people interested in idols never look outside Hololive.
You have /corpo/'s darling Beryl struggling to break 100 ccv out there because she joined a JP corpo that doesnt know how to push her to a western audience. Great singing, also a former idol.
You also have Ami Amami barely breaking 100 ccv inside PRISM, has been singing and dancing since she was a teenager, she is more of an idol than everyone currently in HoloEN except Kiara.
You guys already talked about Roca, but she was an 11k subs channel with 2view ccv before she got picked up by the jews.
Kyoresu would also have been up for grabs if HoloEN had an audition up at the right time. Her PL is... sketchy at parts but she is really serious about her music and wanting to form an idol unit inside jewcorp now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
They don't have to. The idol journey is about watching a nobody rise up to become a star.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51496759
There's is a sliver of hope with how hard the frequency of homo collabs dropped and how Tempoop barely interacts with HoloEN outside of clown collabing with Rrat, but things are looking really grim.

>>51496799
It's useless, anon. Coverdrones convinced themselves that only the blue dorito is good and anyone who couldn't get into is automatically garbage while completely ignoring the elephant in the room that were the homos, not to mention how literally every single HoloEN girl would be treated the exact same way if they didn't have the brand stamped in their foreheads. Even people who want to see HoloEN succeed and be as big as HoloJP are treated like enemies if they dare to criticize daddy Yagoo's decisions so there's no point in arguing.

>>51496911
Cool, that never happened in EN tho. Only Watson and Rrat were true nobodies while everyone else having somewhat established fanbases ranging from small but not minuscule with Fauna and Kiara to bigger than almost everyone in Hololive with Gura and Mumei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51496759
kys chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
westerners are lazy and dont want to put in the effort to come idols, they just want to stream with no effort to give back to their fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>51498075
please learn english before you post on this site

[Anonymous No.]

>>51494562
her ado cover was amazing

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
I don't want Rin or Yuko
Rin is not holo material and Yuko, well... I don't like her anymore, she fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
Oh boy, the daily EN3 begging thread.
You have Myth, Council, and Tempus to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
anyone knows who Roca was before she joined idolEN? I like Roca's singing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51498761
>Tempus
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51496759
>way too much bad blood between the company and its fans due to Tempus and yabs from certain chuubas
>On top of that there is no reason for the fans to watch you unless you explicitly adopt a no male policy, which in turn means you'll piss off the homobeggars and other such people
Mori is crushing your shitty 3views. How did that happen?
>One of the signs of how little HoloEN and NijiEN mean today is the fact Idol isn't competing with any of them - it's competing with Phase and Phase is competing with them
The entirety of Idol, every single one of them, their entire CCV combined, total, all of it, cannot even match up to one Holo. You know how "too online" is a thing people use to criticize people that are, well, too online? You are very clearly "too vt." Even this made-up competition is a product of being "too vt." Somehow you bickering with /jidf/ translates to anything that's happening in reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499001
>How did that happen?
women and ironic weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>51498761
>Tempus
Do us a favor and fucking off yourself, beggar.

>>51498787
https://www.youtube.com/@IekushiChapipi

>>51499001
Cool, when's EN3 tho?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51496759
>HoloEN blah blah blah
>NijiEN blah blah bla
>please watch my 3 view whores
>Idol vs Phase, the little leagues can be fun to guys...
LOL LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499059
>UWAHHHHH!!!
>I GAVE UP ON THE GIRLS!!!
>GIVE ME NEW GIRLS!!!
>PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499059
>Get told to watch streams
>Start screaming beggar
The only one begging here is you
Watch
Streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
why would you want more of that? it can only get worse. i dont understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51496759
You're absolutely right. Most of the energy is centered around the small corpo scene. Hololive, while still a juggernaut due to their legacy and how well HoloJP is doing, have wasted their head start and languished into stagnation. They have lost a little under 50% of their activity from their peak, and that's not coming back unless they have a star filled roster, which judging from the things said in this thread, isn't going to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>51499131
>51499171
Beggars once again proving how they're the biggest Hololive antis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51498690
>Yuko, well... I don't like her anymore, she fucked up
QRD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489374
>With how stagnated Myth have become
Fixed it for you anon. Stop trying to spread your failures onto the hardworking CouncilRyS girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499219

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499059
>Calls others beggars
>Begs for EN3 himself

>>51496759
Faggots like you thinking you know how to "save western chuubas" will never stop being funny. You even mention indies, but you fail to see that none of the bigger ones are doing any of this shit that you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489109
Weird the moon was farther when myth debuted but I guess 300k is cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499186
Because for some reason they think that machine gunning new people is going to magically fix whatever problems with existing talent that they made up in their heads.
>>51499219
You appear to be new to 4Channel. Allow me to assist you.
>>51499131
>>51499171
To properly reply to a post, make sure that you put two > before the post number. This is to make sure that other posters know what posts that you are referring to. This also prevents other posters from thinking that you are making a low quality post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499355
Nigger it's been 2 years. How long does it need to take for HoloEN to get a new gen? Until half of the members graduate and there's no net gain?

>51499395
>low quality post
Just like you're doing it right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499355
Please understand. Beggars (true) don't really want to watch streams. They just want sperg out and indulge their schizo delusions while shitting up vt with their dribble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499212
Is that why 95% of small corpo chuubas have been stagnant in low 3view hell, if not declining from debut? Where's the enegy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499463
It appears that you are new to 4Channel. Allow me to assist you.
>>51499395
To properly reply to a post, make sure that you put two > before the post number. This is to make sure that other posters know what posts that you are referring to. This also prevents other posters from thinking that you are making a low quality post.

[Anonymous No.]

I imagine there are only so many people that want to play an anime character on the internet. The well was going to run dry at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499476
>Beggars (true) don't really want to watch streams
Just look at the homos' numbers.

>51499523
Cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>You have schizos overestimating the rabble
>You have schizos overestimating holoen
I’m starting to think it’s the same people. Most of the people outside holoen are talentless and most of the people in holoen are talentless. No matter who gets in people will pretend they are the greatest talent ever and never watch them.
Wait maybe I figured it out. Gatekeep, overestimate what they can actually do, keep shilling them but never watching. Eerily similar to homobeggars, the ones that say there should be no en3 but are excited about more homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499574
You have three different groups to watch.
Watch.
Streams.
Or shut up and stop begging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499212
>Hololive, while still a juggernaut due to their legacy and how well HoloJP is doing
But holoJP is not doing well. Those views amount to nothing because they're not coming from Japan, but the content starved EN audience. The japanese audience left a long time ago for better vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499619
>three
You mean 2 for a branch that hasn't had a new debut in almost 2 years. And I do watch them unlike you beggars who can't even support your poorfag dingo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51498690
What did she do?

[Anonymous No.]

Personally, I'm thankful to Cover for shifting all focus to Tempus for absolutely no reason as that let a bunch of small corps get themselves known and hire a ton of talented people. Here's hoping PixelLink does well tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499619
>You have two different groups to watch.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's pretty amusing that anons here think they have such a diverse taste in chuubas and are really in-the-know about obscure and incredibly talented ones, but it's just the same names over and over again forever and ever. There are hundreds of vtubers out there, all maintaining 100+ CCV if that's a requirement, but all you ever see is a mindless, droning recitation of the same 10-20 names over and over and over again. Whatever the opposite of only-Hololive is, that's you guys. You're braindead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499674
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the first thing anons pivot to ITT the ccv? Is this the final cope to try and say their bigger corpos are still well and thriving?
The environment, energy, overall atmosphere that small corpos have when compared to the dead air that Holo and Niji have been giving is in different leagues of its own.
It's fucking sad watching one of Gura's rare ass streams and being relatively low energy vs the smaller corpos actively trying to be pleasant.
Vtubers aren't sports, the numbers even smaller corpos are still securing sponsors with their "low ccv".

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499463
>How long does it need to take for HoloEN to get a new gen?
Fuck if I know, but are you seriously thinking that the vtuber market can infinitely expand? Not only that, but cover isn't a multinational giant that has the structure to just poach whatever chuuba they want from wherever around the world and give them a spot without hurting the established talents by spreading the audience too thin.

Like, holy shit, why are you people so thirsty for new chuubas? I can barely keep up with ONE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499742
Cool, but when's EN3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499748
Another new corp, so small that their members don't even have 500 subs before debut. But somehow there are two threads about them in the catalog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499827
Where's small corpo talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499819
Well they pushed for 8 faggots barely anyone is watching nowadays in less than 6 months. Why couldn't Cover just debut 5 girls instead of those homos?

>>51499839
Out there, you just have to search for it. But seriously, when's EN3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499658
>>51499679
Beggars gotta beg.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499810
Because small corpofags use Holo and Niji numbers to prove they are dying. Okay, let's see your numbers then. Oh, 1/2 out of 15 vtubers in the corpo are doing decently, and everybody else is fighting for scraps. I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499920
Just like how dingo was begging for money to buy a PS5, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499810
>Vtubers aren't sports
>securing sponsors
Why did you immediately contradict yourself in the same sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499526
There are plenty of people who want to play an anime character on the internet.
But they dont get picked by corpo's
You want someone who streams? Then you better go and watch your 1 view with a track record of streaming consistently because that's going to be the best you'll get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499917
>Why couldn't Cover just debut 5 girls instead of those homos?
No one good applied, or no one applied at all.
How much worse is it going to be when the rush for new girls results in 5 more Mori's / Ame's / Kronii[s? Gonna start demanding a new set of 5 immediately after?
That being said, there's legitimately no real reason to apply to Holo anymore given their restrictions for perms, even in the songs they can sing in karaoke, when small corpos give them everything they need from money to sponsors to an engaged audience.
Yeah, it's not going to be a huge audience, but they'll still be in the top 1% of streamers overall given how many 1/2 views there are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499810
>the numbers even smaller corpos are still securing sponsors
How is that a big deal? There are plenty of streamers that are 300-500 CCV that frequently get sponsors and ad deals. It's just a lot cheaper. Do you know anything? It's not an achievement to get sponsorships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499947
What's fighting for scraps? 100+ viewers? That still puts them at the top 1% of streamers rumao.
There's probably over 30,000 streamers that are all at 1 or 2view status.
>>51500050
That's exactly what I'm saying, it's not a big deal, so why does every anon ITT care about "muh big ccv"

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499971
Just like how orange woman is constantly begging for attention? Begging to collab with green woman? Getting the entire fanbase to beg for them to collab?
Or how Mori was obnoxiously begging for perms for years?
Your obsession is rotting your brain. Seek help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500026
>No one good applied, or no one applied at all.
So they were able to get "good" candidates for Myth and Council in around 5 months but couldn't find a single girl for EN3 in 18 months while they got 8 homos who ended up as some of the worst hires in the history of the company? You really think this is in any way believable?

>>51500097
Oh, you're a HoloEN anti. Gocha. That's why you don't want a new gen, they will completely mog the bottom of the barrel garbage you consider your oshis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499059
>https://www.youtube.com/@IekushiChapipi
okay, she is actually good

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500170
Gura, Mumei and Fauna (and I guess IryS) were your good hires.
Yes it's believable, wanna know why? Because you're seeing good talents debut in other corpos instead of Hololive. Why? Because I can bet my life savings that those girls either didn't apply to Holo at all and didn't think about it, or tried and got denied.
Roca is the perfect example of this who fucked off to Idol instead of Holo.
The vsinger that joined them, everyone was begging her to join Holo also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500170
>So they were able to get "good" candidates for Myth and Council
>Ame, Mori, and Kiara were the only real good hires in Myth
>Fauna and Bae were the only good hires from Council
>IRyS just wants to be JP, but can't because of racism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500170
>Criticizing holo talents for their stupidity means your an anti
seek help

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500087
>why does every anon ITT care about "muh big ccv"
The bigger that number that's completely irrelevant according to you is, the more those sponsorships pay. Understand?
You're effectively comparing an ad on a billboard in bumfuck nowhere to an extravagant ad in the center of a big city.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500087
>What's fighting for scraps? 100+ viewers? That still puts them at the top 1% of streamers rumao
Now, this shit is cope. You're right, it probably puts them in the top 1% of streamers. That's like being the richest man in a slum. As an example, Panko is going to have her anniversary next year. She's earned about €11,000 from supas in that time, before Fishman cut. That's piss. The implication here is obviously they do not have staying power. For the human being behind the vtuber to survive, they will eventually need to leave. And the kicker is you're right: Panko is absolutely one of the more successful small corpos vtubers. It's still a horrible state of affairs for her, wasting her time entertaining you guys.
Why does the CCV matter here then? Because it needs to go higher to improve her standard of living. If you don't care, you want her to suffer for your entertainment. Streamers need a baseline. Most small corpo chuubas do not meet this baseline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>nijifag not being able to understand a company not spraying out tons of talents in hope of one succeeding

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500354
>>51500026
>5 more Mori's / Ame's / Kronii[s
>Gura, Mumei and Fauna (and I guess IryS) were your good hires.
Your average brainrotted catalog fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500354
I severely doubt they never tried for HoloEN. The auditions are free and if you're doing for one company there's no reason to do to everyone who's hiring to make sure that at least one of them will notice you, not to mention HoloEN is THE biggest agency to audition for so why wouldn't they at least try their chances? It's WAY more likely that Cover just ignored anyone applying to HoloEN during the entirety of 2022 because they were too focused in getting their own Vox-like manslut.

>>51500446
You first. Also go support your bois, they're apparently short on funds so they could use some monetary help.

>>51500536
Just like how Cover did with the homos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500516 (me)
anniversary next month*
Typo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>couldn't scout Jelly
>couldn't scout Chapipi
>won't convince Beryl to join
>won't convince Miori to join too
>or Nina and Lisa
It's clear for EN3 they don't care about people with musical production and or singing talent and related skills.
They are probably looking for react content streamers and pro esports players that long the line can get to sing in a mediocre level some cringe ass songs

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500603
I severely doubt they never tried for HoloEN. The auditions are free and if you're doing for one company there's no reason to do to everyone who's hiring to make sure that at least one of them will notice you
I honestly forgot about this option too, but yes you're right on this part.
The third option, anyone who tried to apply, also applied to other places at the same time and got responses from the other places first so they accepted them instead of Holo.
>It's WAY more likely that Cover just ignored anyone applying to HoloEN during the entirety of 2022 because they were too focused in getting their own Vox-like manslut.
Am I being too optimistic of Cover to think that they'd just close female applications if they didn't want them instead of letting them go in the unread inbox?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500863
>Am I being too optimistic of Cover to think that they'd just close female applications if they didn't want them instead of letting them go in the unread inbox?

Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500603
Imagine getting this asshurt because you have men living rent free.
Makes sense if you consider that those scary men are probably pounding your ass as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51497195
>Cool, that never happened in EN tho
Yep, no girl in EN got better at singing, gaming, or talking to people in the last 2 years. Nothing to see here folks !

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499917
>Well they pushed for 8 faggots barely anyone is watching nowadays in less than 6 months. Why couldn't Cover just debut 5 girls instead of those homos?
The faggot market is different from THIS faggot market. It's just basic business sense to expand laterally. And no, the homos didn't "hurt" the girls in any real measurable way.

Picking a random 100ccv girl would just harm the others when the new girl stumbles their way along, creating a very sharp contrast between their experienced and established senpai and the weird new hire that barely knows streaming. Hololive is too big to hire just about anybody.

It's really fucking ironic this conundrum that /vt/ has. There aren't enough schizos to make every western girl break into 4view, so you DEPEND on normalfags becoming viewers, but yet faggots here keep harping on idol culture and GFE, as if that ever had a place in the western world.

>>51500516
This dude has it.

I don't even watch holive anymore and never did a homo, but idiots here SEVERELY overestimate the profitability of their 3view idol-like chuuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500863
>Am I being too optimistic of Cover to think that they'd just close female applications if they didn't want them instead of letting them go in the unread inbox?
Yeap. Otherwise they wouldn't shill the auditions ONLY for StarsEN 3 times in less than a year.

>>51500935
Get your head out of the gutter, sister. Not everyone has yaoi vision like you whores do.

>>51500945
>the idol journey is about watching a nobody rise up to become a stars
>only 2 EN members were nobodies
You could've at least tried to read, anon.

>>51500964
>And no, the homos didn't "hurt" the girls in any real measurable way.
Imagine believing in that bullshit when HoloEN is hitting all time lows month after month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500603
you make no sense because Holostars and Hololive audtion are completly separated.
The people watching Hololive audition don't watch Holostars and viceversa
They either
>didn't apply at all
>Cover is simply not interested in singers now

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500857
Do you have any names people don't actually know instead of recycling the usual suspects ad nauseam?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499742
I will NEVER mention my indie Vtuber Oshi on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501103
If they're separated why Cover didn't debut an EN3 last year then? All StarsJP gens followed or were followed up by another Hololive gen, so why didn't this happen with the EN side as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51500097
Lmao begging your fanbase for money is no where in the same ball park at everything else you tried to reference sister. Your faggot is a man he should've handled his finances better instead of wasting all of his money in pointless Disney trips and premium sushi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501057
>Imagine believing in that bullshit when HoloEN is hitting all time lows month after month.
It totally was the homos, not that vtubing in the west is plateauing, not that people prefer indies as they hate the oppressive corpo culture, or idol culture just rubs people the wrong way, or that the people who joined the "fad" of vtubing are now returning to their comfort hobbies, or that the number of normalfags who can even tolerate the idea of watching a streamer isn't growing rapidly, or that the streamer market is just too saturated. No, it must be the homos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>Generals
>gura bad because no strim
>shill thread
>shill thread
>"WHERE EN3???"
>mori "won" (/v/ copypaste thread)
>rinse repeat for every fucking day

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501139
ummh, Kilia, but she is a sinking corpo but not sinking so fast
Pandora too
Liola could do with some more practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501247
>>generals
These are the only thread worth anything on the entire board.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji was smart to capitalize on HoloEN's popularity.
They snatched all the best talent while Hololive was twiddling their thumbs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501103
>>51501171
Also HoloEN and StarsEN have the exact same auditions form. Don't believe me? Then here's the link of the auditions pages for both branches. Do me a favor and open the form through both links and compare the URLs.
https://audition.hololivepro.com/en
https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/audition

>>51501240
>it wasn't the homos
>it wasn't the lack of a new gen
>it was a bunch of bullshit excuses I'm pulling from my ass
Sisters truly do their hardest to justify the absolute failure that was homoEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501252
Yeah, you lot really just get your vtuber recommendations entirely from this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501316
they literally speedrun terminated one of the best hires since lazulight

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488966
Unironically agree.
These three mog current HoloEN in term of content.
If girls like Gura or Ina were still in their prime I would have disagreed, but thats obviously not the case anymore. HoloEn is a shadow of its former self. Tempiss really soured things on top of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501346
Post your obscure 1view then.
Everyone in Council were know names on this board btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501442
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still surprised about how people can't see how toxic tempiss been to the branch in general. All the girls who collabed with them lost most of their viewers. Even Selen did and she's from a homoshilling corpo it should tell you people don't like tempiss at all period. In before I get called a seething incel for posting facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501484
yes we know tempus is bad, i'm fucking tired of acknowledging that they exist, because that implies someone actually gives a shit about those fuckers. HoloEN caved into the retarded tumblr faggots who infest twitter, and those faggots won't leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501337
>LA-LA-LA, I can't hear you, it was the homos, the homos, THE HOMOS! IT WAS THE HOMOS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501484
All these cocks in your head 24/7 will make you fucking gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501484
>Even Selen did
to be fair, it was moreso Axel just really dropped his act and let loose his toxic personality towards the end. Had it been Magni, Vesper, and Selen it'd have been a far greater TSB

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499484
Considering HoloEN debuts go from ~70k to ~3k nowadays, it's not a tit for tat decline. The better performers and /lig/s are getting into 4view territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501460
Got nothing? Okay. Thanks for the (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>51499280
Forgot to erase roomate relationship with a nigger, blacked chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>Cover is failing to attract top (or even mid-tier) talents for HoloEN and it starting to show.

Other than Gura who in HoloEN is a top talent? Literally all of them are mediocre even for twitch indie standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501538
Absolutely mindbroken. Is it that stressful to you that people just don't like your homos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501583
nah, go to /v/

Ina is still fine, and you didn't ever care about Gura. holoEN has issues but it lies with the fans, including the ones here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501346
If you know any really good vsingers that aren't known, please do share here or in /vsinger/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501442
>term of content
so subjectively they're better? oh well enjoy your 3 views I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501380
Zaion wasn't even the best hire in the Xsoleil group my dude. She can't even hold 1k viewers now and when she does get a good crowd from raids, she wastes it on Genshin

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501557
Yeah, you let me know who maintains 70k CCV. And then now you're pulling in /lig/. I thought "Most of the energy is centered around the small corpo scene?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501484
Sure they're toxic but nobody was forced to collab with them.
You will never acknowledge and admit that your oshit is a cockhungry slut. You will just keep making excuses and say shit like "it's been x months since the tempiss collabs give her another chance!!" instead of recognizing that she is trash and giving support to someone who never ever even mentioned a single homo.
In before I get called a "homobeggar" for posting facts despite never saying a single good thing about homo collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501337

HomoEN is a complete failure and focusing so hard on male streamers was a horrible mistake, but HoloEN was falling apart long before that.

Lack of streams, short streams, boring safe content, same games spammed over and over again, extremely boring short and scripted collabs.

None of that is the fault of homos existing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501609
I did care, and still care about Gura. Thats why I'm more than disappointed she stopped streaming regularly.
Ina became a stick in the mud and clearly seems to dislike her fans, I cant support her in good faith anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501706
>Ina became a stick in the mud and clearly seems to dislike her fans, I cant support her in good faith anymore.
Calling out stupid greys who can't be half assed to get a membership, and focus on her back during a painting is "disliking" her fans? Now that is a stretch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501693
Cool, why didn't they debut a new gen tho?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501644
you know you lost when you have to lie to even cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>51488845
>>51488925
>>51488966
I love people who don't know anything about how Cover works claiming Cover is "failing to attract top or mid tier talents". Casual reminder that barely half of HoloEN was even vtubers to begin with, let alone ID or JP. Some examples.
>Mori
Random music/animator channel barely streamed
>Kiara
Random cosplayer and ex-Idol.
>Ina
Random professional industry artist who sometimes streamed. Had a vtuber model but was barely a vtuber desu
>Sana
Industry grade artist like Ina except she basically never streamed almost
>Fauna
ASMR rp youtuber
>Kobo
random actual nobody who had never streamed before
>Moona
random idol/model who joined cover because she's dumb and thought Hololive was an actual idol company
>Risu
funny enough also joined because she thought Cover/Hololive was a proper actual idol company
>Kaela
Esports girl with no background in vtubing at all
>Subaru
never streamed before
>multiple other examples
Cover loves to hire people they think are talented or diamonds in the rough. They do not give a fuck about your "super talented and gifted superstar indie vtuber!" talent. They care about finding people who fit the character model, who have talent, and who fit well with the other members. They hired Ame who was a literal 3view at best rando. The fact is, people who make threads like this are either just salty 2view indies who got denied in auditions or phasecuck/idolENcucks making retarded anti posts about Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501442
Gura lives off merch sales and Ina has a real job in anime industry Holo is just a side gig for her.

But the fact that people like Ame or Mori who were fucking nobodies struggling to survive before Holo no longer put any effort is fucking ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501693
If anything the homos existing just exposed more faults.

>>51501737
Why is a new gen needed? Was JP falling apart because no new gen for a year and a half?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501316
And then they fucked up just like HoloEN and are now speedrunning irrelevancy arc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501779
Sakamata was a literal two view as well. Cover is very good when it comes to scouting, and I trust them for EN3. I don't trust them for the homofags because they all suck and none of them are worth your time or my time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501693
>HoloEN was falling apart long before that
EN was struggling but Tempus took a sledgehammer to it. The sudden branch-wide decline the moment they debuted was brutal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501779
Cool, but where's EN3 tho? You really want me to believe they couldn't find 5 girls that fit everyone you said in 18 months?

>>51501790
Look at how many members JP has and compare it to EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501611
I'm not the one pretending I'm a vtuber encyclopedia to dab on the Holo-only-fags. The fact is whenever a thread like this pops up, it's the same names over again and again and again. The onus is on you guys to put up or shut up. And without fail, it's just the same recycled vtubers featured in the top 10 fastest generals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501671
Sure sister it must be true! I should not believe my seeing eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501737
Because all decent talents went to other groups.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501598
I said I don't even watch the homos, and I said that you faggots have no business sense. I even gave you many reasons why EN isn't growing that much.
But all you have is
>Nope, homos
That's pretty fucking sad, man. You need to get off the internet sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501857
>Look at how many members JP has and compare it to EN.
Why does the number of members matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51495016
That's just good singing. There are tons of people who can sing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501779
>barely half of HoloEN was even vtubers to begin with
That's mostly because of Myth and when Myth was recruited there really weren't that many english vtubers. Council was 4 out of 5 vtubers and yes, Fauna counts because she streamed with her model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501779

Their top EN talent that carries the entire branch was one of the most famous meme anime youtubers tho.

But yes anons acting like Holo only hires top talents are fucking idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501895
And there's the second type of typical nonsense response with zero arguments. Your oshit is a whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501898
Cool, still doesn't answer why there isn't an EN3 almost 2 years since Council's debuts and after 18 months of "auditions". If Cover doesn't want to grow the branch why even keep the auditions open?

>>51501964
Christ, you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

The legit only reason EN views have dropped (not just EN views but vtuber views as a whole across the industry) is because HoloEN debuted during the height of Covid lockdowns. Everyone was locked inside with nothing to do but free time. Guess what? Metric shit ton of people tuned in to watch Myth because they had nothing else to do. This isn't even just a vtuber specific thing. Esports also saw massive numbers during this specific time span and then saw huge dips once the covid lockdowns and everything slowed down and life got back to normal. Its just a result of things returning to normal. But of course you retarded faggots won't acknowledge that because it doesn't fit with your epic heckin' Homos killed EN takes

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501779
>Moona
>random idol/model who joined cover because she's dumb and thought Hololive was an actual idol company
>Risu
>funny enough also joined because she thought Cover/Hololive was a proper actual idol company
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502022
Why can't you answer the question? Why does EN need more members for the others to stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501850

Tempus existing was not the reason. JP Homos are not killing Hololive.

It's the collabs and half of the girls suddenly sucking cocks and shitting on le idol fans that put a bullet in HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501987
Gura was not hired because she sometimes did vtuber streams with low views. She was hired because she had over a million subs, multiple viral shitpost videos, and because she was basically better Nyanners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502029
>Its just a result of things returning to normal. But of course you retarded faggots won't acknowledge that because it doesn't fit with your epic heckin' Homos killed EN takes
and it still counts because they're a loud boring minority that won't shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502006
Sure sister it must be true. She's having sex with men thousands miles apart from each other according to you. Kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502029
>not just EN views but vtuber views as a whole across the industry

Not true. Views are the same the thing is they are now spread over a dozen corps and big indies. All those people giving Myth insane numbers are still watching vtubers 80% of them just moved from HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501693
The only one focusing hard on male streamers is you. Keep begging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502022
>Cool, still doesn't answer why there isn't an EN3 almost 2 years since Council's debuts and after 18 months of "auditions"
None of the girls who applied are better than the homos, so no new EN gen while cover expands its reach and gets a pie of the fujoshi/actual faggots market.

>If Cover doesn't want to grow the branch why even keep the auditions open?
Confirmed underage that never had a job. Most companies keep recruitment positions open even if they have no need for the position to be filled at the moment just in case someone good comes in, or sometimes just to show the outside world that they're "growing and recruiting."

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502139
Why did your oshit collab with tempiss? What makes me a "sister"?

[Anonymous No.]

>henya shill
filtered

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502178
>la la la I will ignore facts so they go away la la la

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501850
>The sudden branch-wide decline
Where was the decline?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502157
Statistically that's extremely improbable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502200
Never watching Henya, don't care how right your opinion can be. Just says that those fans are retards who needed someone retarded like Pippa or ironlung.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502174
My oshi hasn't collabed with tempiss. And never will she knows where her bread is buttered. Keep trying to find cracks to fit your schizo narrative sister maybe one day you'll find some.

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I think anons here only defend holoEn because they are numberfags, they are not interested in the streams at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502029
Cool, still doesn't explain the lack of a third EN gen when Cover debuted pretty much 6 gens before the start of the pandemic.

>>51502045
Because 10 members can only fill so many timeslots? Because it's almost impossible to have all 10 members available for big collabs? Because the current 10 members are scattered around the world with one of them being geographically isolated unless she gives up having a decent sleep schedule? Do I need to cite other reasons why it's beneficial to have more members than fucking 10?

>>51502157
>none of the girls who applid are better than the homos
Only a beggar believes in this. This is so laughably retarded that I really wonder how the hell you manged write that with a straight face.
>company babble
Cover has this for their staff positions. The talents aren't staff, they're talents. It's a completely different thing and the fact that you're treating them the same shows that you're the underage one here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502233
your 100ccv oshi isn't profitable, anon. The vtuber market is extremely small considering the size of the world.
You need to get off the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502252
Saying that your whore EN oshit wasn't forced to collab with tempiss is a "schizo sister narrative"?
Literally what the fuck am I reading and how the FUCK do you believe this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501872
Anon... that's because they're the only ones worth picking up... It's that grim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502311
>lack of 3rd gen
>opened auditions last year
>silence
>suddenly opened auditions again a month ago
>new song directly mentions new gens
Damn its almost like they found their 3rd gen talent last year and now they're looking for 4th gen talents. Of course you faggots are going to respond with "lol Tempiss was EN3 XD" while drooling on yourself so really not even sure why im bothering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502387
Let me know when fauna collabs with your cock gargling homos I'll wait. Homobeggars who don't even buy merch or watch their homos stream shouldn't be passing their opinions as facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502311
Why do the timeslots matter for their individual performance? Using JP as an example, Mel streaming in the morning isn't going to end up magically giving Pekora more viewers at night. It would make zero different for Pekora if nobody else streamed that day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502245
Pippa or 90% of vshitshow are fucking trash but they still took a lot of viewers from HoloEN. Henya and a couple other big twitch vtubers are great and easily keep numbers on par with recent top HoloEN streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502485
Ok, so fauna will never collab with them. What now? Why are you seething about tempiss? Why are you making excuses for the others that DID collab with them?
How am I a "homobeggar" or "sister" for calling those that willingly collabed with homos whores?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502342
Just say you think all female chuubas are whores and you prefer homos and get done with it. Jesus Christ, it's pride month so get the fuck out of closet already.

>>51502445
Nigger I fucking hope this is true but I'm not willing to put all my hopes on a company that wasted an entire year on a bunch of faggots nobody asked for. And if they found 5 girls last year why the fuck didn't they debut then yet?

[Anonymous No.]

I am going to fucking lose it. Once again for fifth time this week. Cover does not hire massive superstar indie talent. They look for people they think are talented and would be a good fit for the company/gen. They'll sooner hire some actual who who never touched a vtuber model if they think they're a good fit over some big promising indie vtuber. Cover does not work like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501749
>At the time of Zaion's hiatus in January 2023, the -now- weakest performer of Xsoleil, Ver Vermillion, was at 150k subscribers to Zaion's 115k on her termination
>Even at her all time peak subscription count of 130k, it is still the lowest performing of not only Xsoleil, but all of Nijisanji EN branch
Meanwhile the last stream she had before the suspension was the FFXIV and had its peak viewers at 1.5k, which is marginally better than her average views on twitch (which is declining)

Face facts anon (to which you can access on multiple sites i might add), she was slightly above nobody before Niji, she flubbed her time with the corpo over the most mundane shit, and now is losing traction as her reborn self because she never had any holding power

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502342
There are plenty of 100-300 ccv vtubers making very good money thanks to whales.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501659
That view base was only due to a Japanese audience, anonchama, which is why they lost most of those viewers shortly after.

HoloEN has done nothing to grow and that's the main issue, their lack of growth leads to low 3views and 2views into becoming 4views.
As for the small corpo scene, that's where a unified community forms. /lig/s have their own nepo network, but it's far more fragment and therefore not as energetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502445
Success Breed Jealousy.
lol don't mind them anon all these small corpo shills are just on edge as EN3 approaches. Hell even their excessively shilled best bet to "slay" holo faceplanted already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502592
>Cover does not hire massive superstar indie talent
Guess Gura and Mumei don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502445
Call me when they announce anything in 2027. I will have 5 more Gura streams to watch by then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51501337
>it wasn't the homos
>it wasn't the lack of a new gen
>it was a bunch of bullshit excuses I'm pulling from my ass
But homos and lack of a new gen are a bunch of bullshit excuses. It's always anything but the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51502311
>Only a beggar believes in this. This is so laughably retarded that I really wonder how the hell you manged write that with a straight face.
Another one, so I'll repeat it. Your 100ccv oshi isn't profitable, anon. The fact that most people here mention youtube subscribers as some big significant number is a pretty good indicator of a complete lack of business sense.

>>company babble
Nigger, cover is a company
>The talents aren't staff, they're talents.
>The talents aren't staff, they're talents.
>The talents aren't staff, they're talents.
I'm done here. You're actively killing my neurons with your moronic drivel.

>>51502589
>Just say you think all female chuubas are whores and you prefer homos and get done with it
I'm not a delusional faggot who thinks that the vtuber market is bigger than it is, so this means that I'm a homo watcher?

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>>51502592
That's how you get Council kek

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>>51502311
Most based post itt

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>>51502665
If you think they hired Gura because of her low view vtuber streams than I don't know what to tell you lmao. They hired her entirely because million subs and her multiple huge viral videos. Mumei sure but thats one out of countless examples that prove they don't look for huge indie stars.

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>>51502718
Funny anon, because Council actually hired the most amount of previous vtubers compared to Myth. So its hilarious you'd claim that as proof they should be hiring massive indie vtubers.

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>>51502571
Because I'm tired of them being shilled?

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>>51502671
Thats cool Phasecuck or Nijifag (whichever you are you're basically all the same anyways) let me know how your barely 3view whores are doing when they cuck you on stream for the 10th time this month.

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>>51502311
>Cover has this for their staff positions. The talents aren't staff, they're talents
Explain how JP gens materialize out of fucking nowhere without any public mention of auditions being open.
Explain how gen 3 had Rushia and Pekora already in before announcing gen 3 auditions.

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>>51502912
Holy projection.

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>>51494562
>She is skilled enough to literally contact any big music producer and they'd make her superstar on spot
I'd like to point out that, however, if she could, she'd likely already be. It's not like being a VTuber is better than being a "superstar" singer - it's usually the other way around (if you can make it).
It's understandable that we all like to hype our oshi's skills up but let's be real, it's not like her rm is some 16 years old fresh out of school. She had enough time to score at least one or two professional gigs as a singer if she has that much "superstar" potential. Doesn't even need to be with any big music producer, just any professional jobs would have done it.
Chances are EN3 can consist of 5 newcomers to streaming scene and they can / will grow big anyway. It's not like Cover is inexperienced in star-making when it comes to VTuber scene.
Well, GL to Roca / C*, I suppose? And I really meant it - hope there will eventually be someone grow from nothing to stardom from groups outside of Hololive / Nijisanji. Hope she is actually amazing and isn't just getting the Melocco / Millie's treatment

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Anyways Gen3 will be people nobody expected who probably never had a vtuber model and maybe one or two big indies if that. Cover gives effectively zero fucks about muh views so its not gonna be anybody people expect nor want them to be.

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>>51502699
Man you're genuinely looking every single excuse to justify not hiring 5 new girls 2 years since the last debuts. It shouldn't be this complicated, Cover should've just debuted a new gen in a timely manner and we wouldn't be having this idiotic back and forth. HoloJP had 32 members by their third anniversay so why should HoloEN only have less than a third of that in the same timespan?

>>51502914
Anon what the hell are you talking about? Rushia and Pekora were scouted by Cover while open auditions for JP started after Gen 4 I believe.

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>>51502894
If you're so tired of them being shilled why are you so against blaming the people that are shilling them, like the sluts that are collabing with them? Are you brain damaged? Why do I even ask, of course you are.
Just make another post about how Ame or whoever is good now because she hasn't done a tempiss collab in months.

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>>51502833
No, I'm just implying Council was mediocre as fuck. They'd all be 2views or low 3views if not for the blue dorito over their name.

>hilarious you'd claim that as proof they should be hiring massive indie vtubers
I just laughed at Council. But I believe they should hire based on "superstar" talent rather than numberfagging untested crapshoots who fit their ideas for a theme.

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>>51502627
Okay. 90% of small corpo vtubers are making like half of a first-world country's minimum wage. Where's the energy? If these small corpo shitters are growing, where? I need you retards to stop thinking you have some esoteric knowledge of vtubers. I know the vtubers you know.

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>>51503003
This. Cover is actually really good at finding diamonds in the rough nobodies and turning them into massive stars. They have a huge track record of doing this.

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>>51502342
Good thing you're not in charge of HoloID or they would have gotten homos instead of their golden Gen 3.

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>>51503062
>Rushia and Pekora were scouted by Cover
Not according to themselves.
>open auditions for JP started after Gen 4 I believe.
What happened to that kind of thing being for staff only and how talents are talents and therefore they don't do that kind of thing?

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>>51502564
Man I am so glad that Pikamee didn't got to HoloEN.

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>>51503003
>She had enough time to score at least one or two professional gigs as a singer
She probably had but the music industry is purely nepotism and clout.

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>>51503067
> mind broken because nobody likes her homos
Sad you should seek psychological help sister before you start cutting your wrists too.

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>>51503074
>But I believe they should hire based on "superstar" talent rather than numberfagging untested crapshoots who fit their ideas for a theme.
Thats funny considering their impressive track record when it comes to hiring "untested crapshoots" so I think its actually pretty reasonable for them to keep doing that. Since its worked so well for them. Reminder that Kobo was literally a fucking nobody before they hired her. So yeah I'm cool with them continuing that.

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>>51502833
>The secret to actually productive and engaging talents is to not get from the indie pool
When an artist for zhang, a wigger rapper, and a failed gravure model are better vtubers than previous vtubers

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>>51503118
>Not according to themselves.
Source? Because there wasn't any audition going on that time.
>What happened to that kind of thing being for staff only and how talents are talents and therefore they don't do that kind of thing?
You're not making any sense. The open auditions for HoloJP produced at least 2 gens (I don't remember if Gen 4 was before or after they were open) while the ones for HoloEN resulted in 0 new girls being hired. Not to mention by the time they started HoloJP had around 28 members while HoloEN only had 11 and now they have 10 and god knows when the new gen will drop. Are you being retarded on purpose?

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>>51502745
So they did hire Gura for her numbers. They could gave hired another Ame but they went for the popular meme girl.

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>>51503211
When did I say anything about liking homos? You're the one defending homo collabers here, not me.

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>>51503103
>If these small corpo shitters are growing, where?
The fact this isn't a Hololive board anymore should be the biggest tipoff. I was here when it was created, I was here when /hlgg/ dominated the board.
That is no longer the case.

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>>51503249
NTA but of course they hired Gura. She has basically every single trait Cover wants in a talent combined.
>Really talented singer
>Unique voice
>Unique personality
>Fits the model perfectly
Like Gura could've been a fucking 1view tuber and they'd have hired her.

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>>51503225
>Reminder that Kobo was literally a fucking nobody before they hired her
Kobo was one of the biggest anime cover singers in Indonesia as her PL. She's an example of what happens when you hire "superstar" talent. Shame they had to numberfag for it though.

>impressive track record
I disagree. None of Council has hit 1 million subs after 2 years despite the Hololive buff.

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>>51503103
Compare Phase's average ccv a year and a half ago with thei average ccv now.

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>>51501779
I think a lot of people don't really get that the whole Idol schtick isn't about hiring people who are well known. The whole Idol story is an underdog story, grabbing literal who's and making them into something. There's no point picking up someone famous right off the bat. Now I know there were some exceptions on all three sides.

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>>51503270
Holy shit. You have to be fucking kidding me. You are not and will never be relevant to vtubing. This board was not and will never be relevant to vtubing. You know what's actually stagnant? This shithole, with the same retarded mentally ill morons since inception +/- 1000 people of churn.

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>>51503415
But Cover isn't grabbing anyone, so what's the point? You really think in 18 months they couldn't pick a single underdog?

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>>51503369
>None of council hit 1 million subs after 2 years despite Hololive buff
Well for starters, Youtube nuked over 100k subs from all of them on debut. Sana got hit extra hard and lost like 250k subs randomly. So that didn't help. Second, Council debuted into multiple Amegeddon level yabs with Fauna and Mumei. Third Sana barely got to stream a month before dog died shit happened. And lastly, they didn't get the Covid lockdown buffs that Myth got.

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>>51503437
Besides r/virtualyoutubers and some random vtuber discords, this is still one of the main spaces to discuss vtubers, retardchama. Stuff that happens here does actually matter and does represent the energy of the industry.

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>>51503527
>Youtube nuked over 100k subs from all of them on debut
If they were real people they'd have just resubbed, but seeing as they didn't....

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>>51503369
>I disagree. None of Council has hit 1 million subs after 2 years despite the Hololive buff.
There are more metrics than just subs, though. Heck, Cover didn't even bother asking about subs in their application form - that should've indicated where their focus lie.
Council is pretty much the most popular EN VTuber group / sub group right now with Myth imploding. I'd call that impressive.

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>>51503574
>Council is pretty much the most popular EN VTuber group / sub group right now with Myth imploding. I'd call that impressive.
Says more about how much myth fans care

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>>51503437
There's plenty of big paypigs here though. I'd say that they count as a decent enough influence.

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>>51488845
Is it possible to even audition if I have plenty of streaming experience, including long hours of streaming, but don't have the archive of those streams anywhere? It was a while ago and none of the streams were saved. I want to audition and make a video but I'm not sure how crucial long stream hours are.

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>>51503254
I don't give a damn what other chuubas do, that's for their fanbases to deal with. As long my oshi isn't working with the homos I don't care. But I also won't turn a blind eye to all the harm they've done in general. If motherfuckers weren't shilling those shitters every fuckin day we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Girls like calli went from 20k ccv to being a 4view. I might be number fagging a little but facts are facts.

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>>51503245
>Source?
Streams. Pekora talked about her audition before and I'm pretty sure Rushia mentioned it before too but any proof of that is long gone now.
There were also no audition announcements after the few that resulted in gen 2 until the one that was only looking for Noel, Flare and Marine.
>Because there wasn't any audition going on that time.
The application form is always open just as it is right now.
>You're not making any sense
You literally just said that open recruitment is not a thing because "Cover has this for their staff positions. The talents aren't staff, they're talents."

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>>51503369
How does Council underperfoming suddenly undo years of Cover's extremely impressive track record of hiring underdog talents? They are famous for hiring nobodies and turning them into super stars

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>idolEN get 2 decent chuubas
>IT'S OVER FOR HOLOLIVE
jews are shilling as usual and shitting up the board

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>>51503369
Kobo isn't Rainych retard stop peddling this shit, she's just a random IT student who just happened to win third place in some interschool songwriting competition.

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>>51503542
Jesus Christ, the delusion is insane. Sometimes I have to remind myself this is the kind of person that might be on the other side when I see silly claims. /pcg/ is the second fastest thread right now, and the ENTIRETY of their combined CCV of all 15 members or whatever cannot even compare to Ina alone. Is Phase Connect truly the second most talked about and raved about and, most importantly, watched vtuber agency in the Western market?
>>51503647
Okay, some 2views/3views are saved from eating cup noodles 3 times a day. Lucky them.

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>>51503726
HoloENs management is noticeably different.
Things like these expose a very genuine problem with the branch itself.

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>>51503369
She is not Rainych lmao. If she was she'd be all over the doxx sites but so far the only thing doxxfags have been able to find of her at all is maybe her placing in some school singing competition

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>>51503692
>I don't give a damn what other chuubas do
And still you're here defending homocollabers and getting mad when someone calls them whores.
>But I also won't turn a blind eye to all the harm they've done in general.
That harm was only possible due to the whores that wanted to collab with them.
>If motherfuckers weren't shilling those shitters every fuckin day
So motherfuckers like the homo collabers?
>Girls like calli went from 20k ccv to being a 4view.
That's her own fault. The homo didn't forcibly enter her stream, she let them on.

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>>51503801
>HoloENs management is noticeably different.
Things like these expose a very genuine problem with the branch itself.
Yeah except they fired almost the entire EN branch and replaced them months ago as confirmed per Kiara and other members. So your epic big bad "omega" is gone. Also EN doesn't handle who gets hired, Yagoo/JP staff does. Every person hired gets interviewed by Yagoo. Pretty sure even the ID girls had to.

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>>51503542
>WE ON /VT/ ARE THE ONES THAT RUN THE INDUSTRY
as everyone points and laughs

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>>51503755
If Phase wasn't retarded with their shills, I'd get on the idol idiots also
>>51503801
their management is kneejerk and stupid, and if it has to take IRyS to yell at them, then so be it.

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>>51503527
Excuses. They haven't grown like Myth because they're not worth growing like Myth. Cover doesn't support them financially with musical aspirations, and they have very little actual talent. Fauna doesn't so ASMR, Bae does normie streams, Kronii is depressed and lazy, Mumei has never leveraged her music talent, IRyS underperforms due to shit management, etc etc etc.

>>51503726
Because that's HoloJP. HoloEN is the topic of conversation.

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>>51503711
>There were also no audition announcements after the few that resulted in gen 2 until the one that was only looking for Noel, Flare and Marine.
There was an auditions announcement after the first 2 members of Sankisei (I believe you meant gen 3 there) debuted and it even showed the last 3 models.
>he application form is always open just as it is right now.
Not for JP. They were explicitly open around late 2019, early 2020, so if Rushia and Pekora got in through auditions then they were probably keep overs from JP2's auditions period like how the red faggot and the clown were for Tempiss.
>You literally just said that open recruitment is not a thing because "Cover has this for their staff positions. The talents aren't staff, they're talents."
You read it wrong. I asked why even keep open auditions open if they're not looking to hire more girls for HoloEN and that other anon compared to a normal company keeping recruitment positions open in case they need new people, but a talent agency doesn't work the same way regarding it's talents and it make no sense to believe in 18 months they couldn't find anyone suitable when they fucking hired Sana.

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>>51503899
So Yagoo should kill himself if he thought any of the 8 homos he hired were better than every single girl who applied to HoloEN.

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>>51503903
Nigga HoloEN continues to prove their long track record just look at fucking Myth
>Mori
Barely relevant weeb rapper
>Kiara
failed idol
>Ame
actual 2view twitch streamer
Like are you retarded? Do you suffer from mental illness?
>they have very little actual talent. Fauna doesn't so ASMR, Bae does normie streams, Kronii is depressed and lazy, Mumei has never leveraged her music talent, IRyS underperforms due to shit management, etc etc etc.
Fauna still does ASMR streams all the time? Bae does the exact kind of streams she was expected to do. Kronii's main talent is VA work and thats very hard to do streams off of. IRyS has special JP management because shes a Vsinger. Shes dealing with the same shit AKZi had to deal with. Also Mumei is barely able to even stream right now due to nonstop coughing.

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>>51503899
You can hire an amazing person then have them underperform anyways because your management sucks. Irys is a great talent that was mishandled from the very start, for example.
>Yeah except they fired almost the entire EN branch and replaced them months ago
Unless we got an insider, nobody knows for sure who got replaced with who and what that entails. We can only wait. What is undeniable is that EN already got fucked hard, and whoevers in charge now has to fix the mess first.

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>>51503801
>The one "rent free" moment Gura talked about was being made fun of by Management in front of, the then newbies, Council

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>>51504088
Mori does continued work on her musical career, Kiara has done tons of originals and keeps doing improvised 3D concerts. Ame, Ina and Gura have given up.

You're still giving me excuses about Council.
Fauna and IRyS are the only semi-decent ones because her streams can be fun.

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>>51504030
>So Yagoo should kill himself if he thought any of the 8 homos he hired were better than every single girl who applied to HoloEN.
>Stars has always and will always be handled by a separate team
>Stars debuts and Stars hiring has always been done separately as shown by them debuting RoarJP and ID2 in the same week
>We've known for years that Stars debuts/Stars scouting is done by an entirely different person/team
>Somehow StarsEN existing must mean Cover ignored all the female applicants
What level of mental illness do you even consider this?

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>>51503405
I don't know a site to look at CCV stats on small vtubers. I'll make do with view count. So gen 1, most recognised member next to Pippa and Tenma. I'd say she's up 50 to 100-ish CCV on average in a year, during which Pippa popped off and put Phase Connect on the map. So in order words, Lia's incline represents random viewer blips in a Mori stream. And apparently pipgers don't like to watch her corpomates. This is the result of small corpos eating up Myth's energy?

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>>51504193
>EN doesn't handle who gets hired, Yagoo/JP staff does
>doesn't debut an EN3
>debuts Tempiss and Tempoop
>but suddenly Stars are hired by a completely different team
Can you make up your fucking mind?

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>>51504182
>Ame, Ina, and Gura have given up
Yeah source on that? Just because Gura hasn't streamed all year doesn't mean Ame and Ina also have "given up".
>You're still giving me excuses about Council.
No you just refuse to listen cause it doesn't fit your narrative.

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>>51504289
My brother we have known Stars talent and debuts was handled by a different person/team for fucking years now...

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>>51503103
What is it with holofags and numberfagging CCV and money?

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>>51504366
>HoloEN is dying because of numbers numbers numbers numbers numbers
>okay, your numbers?
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T ASK ABOUT NUMBERS AIIIIIIIEEEEEACK ACK ACK

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>>51504363
So Hololive is completely handled by Yagoo but somehow Stars aren't? How the fuck does this makes a morsel of a sense when both branches are still under the same fucking company?

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>>51504408
Fair

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>>51504305
NTA, but Ame's streaming time and contents have been really random for a while now. Unless you can find any reasonable explanation, I think it's fair to assume that she is just doing whatever the fuck she wants now without caring about her performance. That's what >we call "given up".

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>>51504408
>>51504366
It is the fate of /vt/ to always pick 2 of these 3 at convenient times

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>>51503993
>There was an auditions announcement after the first 2 members of Sankisei (I believe you meant gen 3 there) debuted and it even showed the last 3 models.
I was talking about the time between gen 2 debuts and that announcement having no other announcements about auditions. That means Pekora and Rushia either auditioned through an open link of they were leftovers from gen 2 auditions as you brought up.
>I asked why even keep open auditions open if they're not looking to hire more girls for HoloEN
>it make no sense to believe in 18 months they couldn't find anyone suitable when they fucking hired Sana.
Makes as much sense as them taking 15 months to debut holoX that's not so good.

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>>51504583
There's a big difference bewteen slowing down debuts after the branch has 31 members (at that time) to slowing down to a fucking crawl when the branch barely had 11 back when the open auditions started and now it's questionable if it even has 10. Using Holox as a justification for EN3 taking this long will never make any sense because you're comparing the effective 8th HoloJP gen to the third HoloEN gen (or effective 4th if you want to consider Project:Hope a gen). As I mentioned in a previous post HoloJP had 32 members by their third anniversary (Gens 0, 1, 2 ,3, 4, 5 and Gamers), while HoloEN will be lucky to have 15 members by it's third anniversary this September.

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>>51504769
Why does EN need more members faster?

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>>51488925
jerma985

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>>51505029
Because holofags haven't learned the nijisanji lesson of "don't oversaturate your own market"

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>>51505029
>faster
If anything they're taking an eternity to not even have a third of what HoloJP had in the same period. HoloEN doesn't need more members faster, it needs more members in a timely manner. One gen per year, as much as I personally think it's rather too slow following how big Myth was at the beginning, was a more than acceptable rate that at least gave the branch a guaranteed big yearly event that wasn't dependent on the other branches and wasn't paywalled either, but we don't even know if an EN3 will drop this year.

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>>51505208
And here comes the coverdrone with the false dichotomy.

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>>51503147
I'm sure she's glad too.

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>>51505265
That's not a false dichotomy, that's an observable fact. Remember when Holostars JP had an entire moment when they were telling people to stop talking about "next debut" "next gen" because Ugo didn't want his career to be reduced to a gacha pull?

Look at Lazulight and Obsydia numbers compared to XSoleil and ILuna

Look at the Vtuber Academy Nijisanji uses to grind them out faster

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>>51503103
>dude numbers!!!

First, HoloEN numbers are not even impressive anymore compared to others.

Second, those small corps are doing 3x better numbers than a year ago.

And third, both Holo and Niji have fucking horrible reputation among indies now. Neither is getting good talents anymore.

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>>51505213
So you require yearly debuts to have a "yearly big event"? What the fuck, do you even watch anyone?

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>>51505461
I wonder how soon will that reputation reach JP.

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>>51504408
>post numbers
>shows ~50% loss in activity for HoloEN
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T LOOK
Small corpos are still young and growing retardchama. There just aren't as many numberfags to clearly document their growth.

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>>51505698
JP is a completely different market what happens on EN side has shit to do with it. Management isn't even the same. Remember when JP were playing Hogwarts while EN couldn't?

JP vtubing is doing great it's EN that's getting fucked in the ass.

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>>51505731
Small corps are definitely growing but they are growing to reach bottom NijiEN numbers. Average in Idol or Phase is like 400 ccv. They will never be real competition.

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>>51505458
>Ugo
Who the fuck is Ugo? Also I love how this story keeps getting distorted the further it spreads. The accurate story is that the OG 9 StarsJP members asked Cover to not debut new members until everyone had their 3Ds and were in a similar level of support to HoloJP proportional to their size, with Shien (not Ugo, whoever the fuck that is) saying the gacha thing when people started getting impatient for a new gen around late 2022. This isn't applicable to HoloEN when even without 3D they were still in a much better spot than the JP dudes were back in late 2020/early 2021 and after the lockdowns finally ended they started getting access to their 3D models, and the girls themselves started to talk about a possible EN3 since late 2022 which is a completely different reaction compared to the one from the JP Stars.

>>51505618
Tell me what exciting event happened with HoloEN in the last 12 months that weren't paywalled. I can tell 5 from HoloJP that were only possible because they have a healthy amount of members.

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>>51505868
Never say never, time traveling retardchama

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>>51505461
>Hololive has fucking horrible reputation among indies now
>"Source? I made it the fuck up!"
Of course they do anon. Tempiss has shattered Holo's vaulted legacy by their sheer existence. No indie will ever go near Cover again for sure for sure.

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>>51505885
>I can tell 5 from HoloJP that were only possible because they have a healthy amount of members.
And many more that did not require having 35 members.

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>people wanting already talented established chuubas

The whole point of most talents recruited by Cover is that you get to see them grow and experience the idol journey together with them. That's the beauty and magic of it all. Don't get me wrong though Cover should hire some uber talented/charismatic people but watching someone grow from an unpolished gem to something special is what I get most out of Hololive.

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>>51505461
>listing the usual suspects again
Number one, nobody new again. Number two, the focus is small corpos you fuckstick. Stop deflecting.

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>>51506043
Maybe collabs, but big events? Not really. But yeah, having many members available to collab living on the same timezone does makes things easier unlike EN who has to deal with at least 6 different timezones.

>>51506091
7 of the 11 girls Cover hired for HoloEN were chuubas. Also, again, none of this makes sense if they're not hiring anyone.

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>>51505731
So why don't you also list your shitty small corpo numbers as well if they are growing? Oh, right, because it will show that they aren't.

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>>51505461
Also thanks for screencapping Shylily. She's reclining to new lows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51489051
yeah I cant want to see what the trannies who thought Bae would be the EN2 leader come up with, surely theyre sitting on a gold mine of unknown talent

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>>51506182
>7 out of the 11 were chuubas
Several of the ones you are listing as chuubas were barely chuubas. Kronii was a VA far more than she was a vtuber. Ame was a fleshtuber for just as long as she was a vtuber. Ina didn't even stream that much and was primarily an artist. Fauna was mostly an asmr rp youtuber. I mean they all sometimes streamed but they were hardly proper indie vtubers who streamed and did exclusively vtuber content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51506182
Maybe it's time to accept that EN is not equal to JP and never will be. I've seen you faggots try to argue that EN content is 100% equivalent of JP but in English, even though it's clearly not.

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>>51506374
I'll give that to you, but it still makes no sense to push "muh idol journey" when they haven't debuted anyone in almost 2 years.

>>51506387
I don't want them to be equal, I just want them to not be left to rot for an eternity when even the girls are complaining about the lack of manpower.

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>>51505731
>are still young and growing
Most of them are already like a year old. How long do you think it's fair that these people should languish in low 3view hell, making way way way less than the minimum wage of any first-world nation, just so your dumb ass can pretend everything is fine with being a 3xx view?
Still young? These aren't tech companies. These people are human beings that need to see results that they can at least survive on. HoloEN is about to hit three years old. Think ALiAS can last two more years making $15,000 a year?

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>>51506605
We literally know we're getting a new EN gen most likely during or right after the concert. We know we're getting new EN gens. So why are you repeating this comment about them not debuting anyone?

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>>51506605
Just say that you want there to be at least 70 EN members. That's what it would take to have all the same "big events" as JP without timezone problems.
Why the fuck are these "big events" so important now? You talk about them so much it's almost like it's the only content you even "watch".

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Being a hololive fan seems exhausting.

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>>51506710
>We literally know
We know shit. This is pure speculation and you'll look like a retard if there's nothing about a new gen after the concert. Don't get me wrong I am hoping that we'll get a new gen soon but I've seen this same song and dance way too many times at this point, and the last time people were 1000% sure Cover would announce a new gen was during HoloExpo and fuck all happened there so I won't be surprised if we see a repeat of this next month.

>>51506732
>say I just want more support for the branch
>JUST SAY YOU WANT TO ACCELERATE
There's the false dichotomy one again. It's either too much in too little time or barely anything for an eternity for you faggots. There was never a way for HoloEN to grow in a decent pace because if they debuted a gen once every year it would "too fast" for retards like you, even if HoloJP had almost 3 times as many members EN has withing the same timespan. Also why are you so against a single new gen when even the EN members themselves want kouhai?

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>>51488845
Cover wanted men for their idol company even though cute girls were their entire appeal. It's an incompetent company and Yagoo is a retarded faggot. They deserve to fail and have others replace their top spot.

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>>51506949
Look, retard. You literally just said JP can only do what they do because they don't have issues with timezones for their 35 members. If you want these "big events" for EN you need roughly as many people in, what did you say it was, 6 time zones? Ok, that's ridiculous, let's make it half. 15 members in 6 timezones.
You do not fucking understand what you're asking.
EN will always be nothing more than a sidebranch. They will never have "big events". They will always be trash that have no worthwhile content.

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What would Hololive JP be right now if they stopped at gen 2? They'd have 15 girls and half of them would be shitters with another good chunk being soft graduated. Good thing they have 35 girls and that isn't an issue!

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>>51507193
Cool, then let's just nuke the branch then. If they're "the sidebranch" why even keep them around? Why even have auditions for them if Cover has no interest in growing the branch?

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>>51507265
They were growing just fine throughout 2019.

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It's me. I am "GEN3".

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>>51507317
And EN was growing just fine until Cover hit the brakes so they could focus on the homos.

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>>51507433
Cover isn't in control of the girl's own content. Gura not streaming isn't due to homos existing.

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>>51507317
Yeah, and then they kept debuting more girls and keeping new eyes on them. HoloJP is too big to fail now, they can go another year without new girls unless a bunch of current ones start dropping like flies. EN needed life breathed into it and instead they were put on the back burner.

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>>51507303
If the biggest vtubers in the industry that completely mogged the shit out of JP on debut need others to save their content, then they probably do deserve to get nuked.

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>>51507570
Cool, then let's just do it. Cover couldn't give a shit about their western audience anyway so let's just end this facade. But the homos stay. Yagoo invested way too much on them and they're definitely more important than HoloEN.

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>>51507561
Explain why the individual talents need someone else to make content.

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>arm chair analysis thread
As autistic and retarded this thread has been going at least its better than half the garbage on the catalog

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>>51489277
easy there Intern, we know Yagoo might fire you by tomorrow but if you suck the tally-wack hard enough maybe he'll keep you to sponge up the messes

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>>51506619
Hololive is 6 years old anonchama.