Why do you care more about the brand than the talents?

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Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:27:50 2021 No.5107201 [Reply] [Original]

Why do you care more about the brand than the talents?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:29:16 2021 No.5107245 console wars

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:30:25 2021 No.5107277 Those people don't actually watch the streams. They're just tourists that are here for the drama.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:32:12 2021 No.5107342 I care for the Talents, and the Talents seems to be happy by being part of the Brand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:33:58 2021 No.5107391 >>5107342 Not Coco, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:35:31 2021 No.5107442 >>5107391 Nor Haachama

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:35:56 2021 No.5107459 >>5107342 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:36:02 2021 No.5107466 File: 36 KB, 480x272, E3g67_BVgAMQXiX.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like the managers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:36:34 2021 No.5107481 >>5107201 Preemptive appeasement and denial, like >>5107342

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:38:31 2021 No.5107544 I don't actually care to suck Anykara off, but it does annoy me to see Holofags parroting lies about the company. So I end up defending them more than I intend to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:40:40 2021 No.5107600 >>5107544 It's a miracle to see you in here as well. You already won, Coco is gone. You have no purpose but to leave permanently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:41:42 2021 No.5107624 >>5107201 I'ma be honest with you most of the talents, even including my oshi, would be nothing without cover

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:41:48 2021 No.5107629 >>5107600 But that was the Chinese, not Nijiniggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:44:40 2021 No.5107715 >>5107624 How? Do you think Yagoo has potential to be a popular streamer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:44:55 2021 No.5107724 >>5107201 >quality

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:44:57 2021 No.5107730 >>5107201 I don't. I followed Artia into her next life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:45:53 2021 No.5107764 >>5107724 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:47:30 2021 No.5107811 File: 943 KB, 510x680, 1621781019056.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5107201 My oshii is Miko, I care more about her than brand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:48:40 2021 No.5107853 >>5107715 Hololive is carried by a few individual streamers and other ppl are helped by that through connection with Cover

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:48:41 2021 No.5107854

Cover created a good thing, but it was so good that theyre now slaves to their own growth and will continue to sterilize their content for sponsors and investors to the point itll suffocate out their talents one by one. 1 is going out and another is probably not that far off with her announced long break. Many will survive in the confines of the changes but it will alienate some parts of the fanbase as talents drop off. Also theyre actually incompetent at supporting their talents if Shion stuff is true. Dogshit company but great talents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:48:44 2021 No.5107859 >>5107391 Coco want to westernized hololive but cover want traditional.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:48:58 2021 No.5107870 >>5107201 Cover=Sakurasou house

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:51:29 2021 No.5107960

>>5107391
Exactly, Cover can Fuck off whenever a Talent is not happy by staying there anymore.
You can clearly see when their talents feel unconfortable, Like that time they sudently deleted and privated a lot of videos in fear of Copyright without warning anyone.
But at the same time you can also see that most of their talents feel confy there. So at least I like to think it can't be that bad of a Company.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:52:07 2021 No.5107981

>>5107853
Cover has proved to be complete inept multiple times, even Pekora suffered with them this year, or did you forget that she cried about how "she didn't know what was management doing with their money"? Cover only exist because of the talent, and they're very lucky that the talent is so submissive too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:56:53 2021 No.5108125 >>5107201 Because the company creates the ecosystem for the talents to thrive in not the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:58:31 2021 No.5108175 >>5107201 Cover Corp. is like a seal of approval. You know it's going to be good if they're endorsing it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:59:18 2021 No.5108199 >>5107201 I don't give a fuck I'm just happy my oshi is making money to live a better life and improve her family's life to

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:59:39 2021 No.5108208 >>5107342 The " big family " image jusr shatter Anon... Hololive will be more coporation and less family. We can see some sign about it already

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 21:59:41 2021 No.5108211 >>5108175 But Kiara and Mori exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:00:23 2021 No.5108230 >>5108211 On paper and reality are things that people who are talent agents have a hard time distinguishing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:00:35 2021 No.5108239 >>5108211 western women

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:01:25 2021 No.5108270 >>5108125 They wouldnt get it, indie sankisei would be a total trainwreck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:02:02 2021 No.5108290 >>5108211 "Seal of approval" is bullshit anyways. Just like the Nintendo Seal of Quality in the 90s

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:02:24 2021 No.5108303 brand = operating procedure

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:02:30 2021 No.5108306 >>5108230 Then the pick alone isn't a seal of quality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:02:58 2021 No.5108324 >>5108290 it worked though everyone bought the games that had the nintendo seal even though 75 percent of them work garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:03:59 2021 No.5108364 >>5107391 Fuck Coco

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:04:00 2021 No.5108366 >>5108125 What did Cover ever do to help Miko?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:04:10 2021 No.5108372 >>5108324 History repeats itself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:06:01 2021 No.5108441 >>5107201 It's like cheering for a big family/group of friends and watching them develop, grow their career, improve their talents, and reach their goals. You don't get that with indies

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:06:22 2021 No.5108458 >>5108175 Don't fool yourself Anon, Cover just got lucky when they picked Fubuki, Korone, and Pekora, those 3 are the sole reason Vtubers started to get Popular in the first Place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:09:10 2021 No.5108556 >>5108458 Aqua was huge early on, still is pretty big but she was a shining star of 2nd gen. Fubuki you are right since she helped bring on Gamers like Koro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:11:13 2021 No.5108636 >>5108458 Korone was hired as a recommendation of Okayu who was hired as recommendation of Mio who was hired as a recommendation of Fubuki

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:11:20 2021 No.5108642 >>5108366 Everything

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:11:39 2021 No.5108655 >>5108441 >He fell for the "one big happy family" meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:12:03 2021 No.5108671 >>5108556 >>5108636 >>5108642 so they built the company themselves?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:12:46 2021 No.5108693 >>5108441 >corporate >happy anything Holy shit, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:12:54 2021 No.5108698 >>5108441 I watch Prism Project for this reason. I still enjoy indies too but not quite as much. I don't cheer for Hololive anymore, they're too big

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:13:13 2021 No.5108714 >talents will inevitably graduate >meanwhile the company lives on Well that was easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:13:19 2021 No.5108717 >>5108671 yeah Cover was the base that brought it together I'll always thank them for that but I still fucking hate Cover because of the last year or so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:13:22 2021 No.5108719 I don't. It's the people who refuse to support the talents because of the brand that do.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:13:40 2021 No.5108728

>>5108671
Yagoo wanted a Kizuna A.I. clone to compete and originally the company was based around an AR app on the iphone.
He then made gen 1 with Fubuki and then from there on the company changed forever
Do your reps, the company only have like a 4-5 year history

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:14:32 2021 No.5108761 >>5108125 Yeah, Cover really helped Mel thrive by giving her a stalker manager, leaving her to fend for herself for months even after knowing and still allowing her to sink to the bottom of Hololive relevancy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:14:55 2021 No.5108780 >>5107730 You have bad taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:14:59 2021 No.5108781 >>5108714 You don't watch hololive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:15:22 2021 No.5108792 >>5108761 Albeit the manager hiatus hurt, youtube banning ASMR and demonetizing her came first

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:17:38 2021 No.5108868

>>5107201
because hololive is more than the individual talents
cover is incompetent in a bunch of ways and has a plenty of fuck ups, but they did one thing amazingly right- they put the holos into a "one big family/group of friends" setting
the girls are talented, yes, but one of the big things that makes them astronomically successful is the amount of interactions between holos and all the cross-actions in the shared universe
you can compare to how popular they were in their previous lives, or the standards for "popular" outside of hololive

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:18:56 2021 No.5108912 >>5108693 >company bad get a job zoomer faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:19:45 2021 No.5108934 >>5108868 >a "one big family/group of friends" setting Every fucking vtuber group has this same format, what the fuck are you talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:20:25 2021 No.5108958 >>5108912 Anybody who's been working for longer than a month knows firsthand that "company bad", projector-kun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:20:47 2021 No.5108972 >>5108655 >performing on stage for 10000s of people >ads on japanese television >performing EDs for anime series >your character featured in an original manga >voice acting for games remind me of how many indies get to do this stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:20:53 2021 No.5108976 >>5108868 I have a bad news about that big family image. If Cover cannot realise their mistake about Coco their talents will stream like generic job in generic " coporation" and they show sign about this already like Fubuki , Choco and Gen4

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:21:17 2021 No.5108989 >>5108958 That sounds more like a personal problem >dude corporations suck!!!! Go be a farmer then but then realize without food corps your stuck only fending for yourself, welcome to the 21st century retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:21:34 2021 No.5108999 >>5108912 I didn't say bad, I said >happy, I can't even imagine how much of a wageslave drone you have to be to think that any corporate is "friendly" or "wants your best".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:22:07 2021 No.5109017 >>5108972 What do any of these things have to do with how happy the individual talents are or how close they feel to their corporate "family"? Shion's been depressed for months because of antis the company failed to protect her from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:22:46 2021 No.5109032 >>5109017 nigga she's depressed because she's a high school dropout with imposter syndrome

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:23:04 2021 No.5109043 >>5109017 She's depressed because of family dying and Coco graduating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:23:04 2021 No.5109045 >>5108934 But other groups don't have Pekora in there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:23:19 2021 No.5109051 >>5108868 it's hard for me to even suspend my disbelief for the "big family" shit. feels obvious when holos don't really care much about each other. the ones who have really close relationships are nice though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:23:23 2021 No.5109060 >>5108989 The fact that things could be worse does not make it so that things could not be better, either. But keep sucking corporate cock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:23:26 2021 No.5109062 >>5108972 >"Cover is a happy family!" >"no, it isn't" >"Well, look how much money they get!" Retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:24:27 2021 No.5109096 >>5109045 That's Pekora's merit, not Cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:24:29 2021 No.5109098 >>5109032 She's taking her antis to court as we speak anon. That's cope and you know it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:25:22 2021 No.5109137 >>5109098 >She's taking her antis to court as we speak anon damn that's crazy. I don't keep up with JP, does her case even sound reasonable?

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:25:25 2021 No.5109138

>>5109060
Good luck having a future unless you want to do everything yourself ala the 1800s, it's not a matter of sucking cock, it's a matter of adapting to the present.
If you've eaten fast food or ordered food ala delivery then coming on a chinese basket weaving forum to bitch, cry, and moan about some Jap entertainment company as the devil because "fuck the corporate establishment maaaan" you sound like a fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:25:31 2021 No.5109143 >>5109043 Those were just the icing on the cake to the pre-existing anti problem. Aqua also took a stress induced break recently due to antis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:25:59 2021 No.5109161 >>5109032 She is good friend with Coco Anon....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:26:12 2021 No.5109169 >>5108999 >think that any corporate is "friendly" or "wants your best". As long as you're not an incompetent retard and can actually do your job decently, that's 100% the case with most (western and non-retail) companies. I'm speaking from experience

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:27:00 2021 No.5109206 >>5109137 It depends. I know Aloe was ultimately unable to pursue legal action against her harassers because they used the excuse of "hey I was just a dumb kid who didn't know what I was doing".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:27:02 2021 No.5109208 >>5109137 Absolutely YES

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:28:09 2021 No.5109249 >>5109169 enjoy your shift in wallmart. I'm sure the CEO cares a lot about your wellbeing matthew.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:28:40 2021 No.5109269 >>5109138 Literal "you participate in society and yet complain about society" argument. Apologize for making me remember a Twitter tranny meme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:28:42 2021 No.5109270 >>5109249 well he did say non-retail to be fair.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:29:15 2021 No.5109284

>>5107201
I swear it has to be retarded Vniggers who cry about Cover everyday on this board, meanwhile Nyanners out having done concerts with the most corporatized Vtuber to have ever lived but that's just her independent free spirit leading her on that path

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:29:29 2021 No.5109293 >>5108211 >orange woman bad Kiara cares more about being an idol, the people within hololive, and interacting with her fans than half of hololive

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:30:21 2021 No.5109320 >>5108989 >>5109138 cover only exists today cuz of people who did shit on their own many years ago. your logic applies to a lot of shit but the modern internet era is a better time than ever before to get into entertainment on your own.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:30:32 2021 No.5109327 >>5109284 I don't watch EN whores.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:30:54 2021 No.5109336 >>5109249 >enjoy your shift in wallmart. I'm a software engineer actually, but nice try

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:31:40 2021 No.5109353 >>5109336 So you're a pajeet sucking up to his white masters. That explains everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:33:12 2021 No.5109403 >>5109320 >a better time than ever before to get into entertainment on your own. No it's not lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:33:15 2021 No.5109407 >>5109137 Online stalking is illegal in Japan, but who knows.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:34:28 2021 No.5109448 >>5107466 We need more Izutsu...

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:35:31 2021 No.5109477

>>5109403
It is though. It was way waaaay harder to get into this type of stuff before the internet came along. Over the last two decades a bunch of musicians, actors, entertainers, etc. started careers because of the accessibility of modern technology. YouTube networks like Cover followed the independent creator, not the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:39:15 2021 No.5109572 >>5107342 Just because the talents supposedly likes the brand doesn’t mean you should, fuckin sheep

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:39:52 2021 No.5109581 >>5107715 >How? The artist connections and collaborations.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:40:22 2021 No.5109597

>>5107201
I don't care about the brand nor about the talents that aren't my oshi. If my oshi wants to work under that brand I'll support it, if she doesn't I'm indifferent to it. If my oshi is friends with other talents, I'll also support them, if not, I'm indifferent to them.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:40:56 2021 No.5109610

>>5109572
What's harmful about the brand? If it's the management you have an issue, that's not what represents a brand and anything to do with the management outside of Mel's documented case from her own words is literal hearsay
You fags love to pretend you're flies on a wall at a Japanese tech company on here and it's kind of embarrassing
>inb4 hurrrr sheep shill
No I'm just not a retarded child who's LARPing as a 70's anti-establishment child

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:42:02 2021 No.5109644 >>5109581 You mean like how Iofi introduced Pochi to Hololive and Marine hooked Mizuryu Kei up to draw the initial Hololive Alternative manga?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:42:49 2021 No.5109654 >>5108125 Ayy lmao. Not for long. Congrats Cover, you've committed the classic blunder that most corps make when in your situation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:42:57 2021 No.5109656 90% of posters in this board wouldn't have gotten into vtubers if it wasn't because of cover

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:43:54 2021 No.5109688

>>5109610
The "brand" is quite literally where half of the issues come from. They can't play the fucking funny dice game because their managers got it in their heads that it wasn't appropriate for their idol image. Coco is graduating because the brand was incompatible with the content she wanted to make.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:44:01 2021 No.5109690 >>5109656 Don't tell them the truth, they need clouds to yell at

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:44:55 2021 No.5109723 >>5109656 And?

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:45:32 2021 No.5109743

>>5109688
>Coco is graduating because the brand was incompatible with the content she wanted to make
Marriages fall apart after 20-30 years because of "irreconcilable differences" and both parties move on with their lives yet still remain on good terms, how is anyone at fault here with Coco and her leaving

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:45:50 2021 No.5109757 File: 1.10 MB, 1280x720, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5109656 Thank fuck I'm the 10% then. Too bad I gotta share the board with all you brainwashed redditors

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:46:18 2021 No.5109775 >>5109723 You should curse them for ruining your life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:46:49 2021 No.5109788 File: 94 KB, 902x699, kson.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you who are you talking to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:46:55 2021 No.5109791 >>5109743 Because at one point Cover's brand shifted so that the content Coco used to make was deemed no longer suitable for their image. They forced her out by shutting her in a box.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:47:43 2021 No.5109823

>>5109688
>They can't play the fucking funny dice game because their managers got it in their heads that it wasn't appropriate for their idol image
God bless, I don't want 30 different streams all at peak hours of nko dice where the only thing they do is laugh at ochinchin and omanko, wow that sure is the peak of streaming

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:47:50 2021 No.5109829 File: 31 KB, 470x470, leo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5109656 And many of them will walk away from vtubers because of Cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:48:05 2021 No.5109843 >>5109791 Okay? So she got up and left and moved on while also keeping the door open to come back at any time Wow what a tragic ending to this fairy tail

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:49:11 2021 No.5109877 >>5109823 Oga got into dev trouble and had to apologize because of his attempted workaround to play the game. This isn't just a matter of hurt feelings, Cover's incompetence hurts the talents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:49:15 2021 No.5109880 >>5109843 > also keeping the door open to come back at any time lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:49:34 2021 No.5109889 >>5107201 Think about it, how is it possible that Hololive as a whole is so fucking good while Niji as a while is so fucking bad? That's right, it's all about the brand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:50:11 2021 No.5109900 >>5109880 She's allowed to live in the same house as her best friend who's still employed, if that doesn't scream "we trust you" then I don't know what you retards what

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:50:56 2021 No.5109925 >>5109889 >but what about another corporate Console wars niggers are not welcome in this thread.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:51:37 2021 No.5109951

>>5109843
>while also keeping the door open to come back at any time
It doesn't work like that, Aloe said as much. Cover making their talents make shitty repetitive content like Meme Review because it's the small amount of leniency they're willing to grant due to branding issues is a problem, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:51:57 2021 No.5109960 >>5109900 Because they share that house, retard, Cover is not paying for that, they are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:52:33 2021 No.5109979 >>5109925 People need to know how bad things really are outside of Hololive before they shit on Cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:52:52 2021 No.5109989 >>5109951 >It doesn't work like that, Aloe said as much lol yeah as if I'm going to believe the menhera 19 year old who MASSfags still clamor to this day as some sort of martyr goddess

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:54:03 2021 No.5110023 >>5109889 Easy, Here is your answer >>5108458

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:54:47 2021 No.5110044 >>5109979 which niji was stalked by their manager? or had their VODs deleted? or was suspended because they said that taiwan was a country?

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:55:19 2021 No.5110064

>>5109889
>while Niji as a while is so fucking bad
So bad that they don't shove their male talents in the basement and have a infinite amount more of game permissions than Cover. It's too obvious you just read a brief summary of the Roa and Meiro incident once and still somehow decided afterwards that a company that allowed a stalker manager to roam free for months was better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:55:34 2021 No.5110073 >>5109889 >I've never watched Nijisanji therefore it's bad!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:55:49 2021 No.5110080 >>5109989 Aloe retired because of people like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:56:04 2021 No.5110093 >>5110044 No they just bully each other, force each other to graduate or shadow retire, or better yet their own fanbases attack their friends and fellow talents because of a misconception or a weird sound they heard in the background

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:56:24 2021 No.5110103 >>5109989 Yeah, don't believe the talents that actually worked for the company, believe the suits who have an image to protect. Lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:57:06 2021 No.5110124 >>5110080 >>5110103 Two streams She's moved on, it's about time you did to, go back to your weird geometric shape general you weird groomer faggots

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:57:28 2021 No.5110137 I don't think people care about cover at all, people care about the collective, all the girls and their relations to each other

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:57:35 2021 No.5110141 >>5110093 that sounds like the talent is bad then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:58:03 2021 No.5110154 >>5109610 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:58:29 2021 No.5110168 >>5109960 But Kanata is still an employee, they could "force her to live away from Coco" just like most IdolCorps tent to force their talents to do shits.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:58:29 2021 No.5110169

>>5110093
>No they just bully each other
Who?
>force each other to graduate or shadow retire
Who?
>fanbases attack their friends and fellow talents because of a misconception or a weird sound they heard in the background
You actually believe it was Nijiniggers that harassed Mikoto and Kuzuha when neither of them lost any subscribers over the incident, lol. If we're blaming the talents for the actions of the fanbase Holofags have a lot to atone for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:58:39 2021 No.5110176 >>5109889 Nijis can collab with eachother on a whim. They can litterally just hop in a discord call and join them mid stream, No red tape. No asking for manager approval. That's not possible with Hololive and thus you're full of shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 22:59:55 2021 No.5110216 >Another Cover bad thread You know that you can just not watching them and not being an asshole, right?

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:00:52 2021 No.5110243

>>5110176
>They can litterally just hop in a discord call and join them mid stream
This happens all the time, every week, on stream whether it's in Minecraft, MonHun etc in Hololive lol
How I can tell you're a retarded clipnigger who never has seen a JP talent stream for $200 alex

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:01:03 2021 No.5110247 >>5110168 They can't enforce that.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:01:07 2021 No.5110249

>>5110044
Shiba is in the hospital and since niji doesn't pay wages she's fucked
Mito got doxxed and her identity got hanged everywhere in her irl school
Meiro got fucked and Roa got fucked, management couldn't even save one
Their scout team is so bad that they hired criminals and sexual harassers
Most companies have bad history, difference is that cover is because of sheer incompetence

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:01:17 2021 No.5110252 >>5110216 What about insulting a company makes you an asshole?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:02:39 2021 No.5110291 >>5110247 They can if they gave a shit They wouldn't enforce her or cost her job but they could suggest it or apply pressure for it to happen which from the words of Kanata's mouth didn't even seem like a worry or a concern between them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:03:18 2021 No.5110313 >>5109249 Get a real job, trash

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:03:48 2021 No.5110323 >>5110249 okay, both are shit then, so what? I don't watch niji, I don't care. Cover has done a garbage job, so I don't give a fuck if there is someone worse or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:04:25 2021 No.5110341 >>5109757 Chestbutt... She and PPH were destroyed by VIC. If only Mika Pikazo's Kotodama Tribe had been successful...

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:05:55 2021 No.5110391

>>5110249
>Shiba is in the hospital and since niji doesn't pay wages she's fucked
It was in her contract.
>Mito got doxxed and her identity got hanged everywhere in her irl school
And Aloe was harassed out of Hololive if we're blaming the companies instead of the antis.
>Meiro got fucked and Roa got fucked, management couldn't even save one
Meiro was a menhera with a history of plagiarism who demanded to graduate multiple times. Nijisanji worked with the two of them since the beginning, Meiro kept escalating. Roa's still around, so they kept the one that matters.
>Their scout team is so bad that they hired criminals and sexual harassers
You mean 1 (one)? And they hired him as soon as they found out (within the literal first day after his debut). Meanwhile Cover kept Mel's stalker manager around for months even after knowing.
>Most companies have bad history, difference is that cover is because of sheer incompetence
It goes beyond incompetence to make 2 of your talents take a 2 week suspension for saying the name of a country when you didn't tell them they couldn't say it beforehand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:06:40 2021 No.5110409 >>5110391 >Roa's still around, so they kept the one that matters. Oh how embarrassing you still cling to hope

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:06:45 2021 No.5110413 >>5110291 >They can if they gave a shit Well, that applies to a lot of things when you talk about Cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:07:03 2021 No.5110424 >>5110391 And they *fired him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:07:16 2021 No.5110432 >>5110249 That's pretty nasty, but it's also all bullshit. Get back on topic and talk about Cover instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:08:03 2021 No.5110453 I'll forgive Cover, if they re-hire Coco back, and apologize to her for sucking chinese cock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:08:05 2021 No.5110454 >>5110409 She's still regularly mentioned by the other talents and releasing voicepacks, so yes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:08:19 2021 No.5110466

>>5110323
Cover's garbage job is basically the golden standard to achieve for the vtuber industry, vtuber companies are ridicously bad and most actually malicious only a step below idol companies, there's no particular reason to hate on cover when their worst mistake is being useless, you can shit on them for that but they're not a black company

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:09:01 2021 No.5110490 File: 1.63 MB, 1920x1080, 1623621488926.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5107201 I don't. My oshi just happened to move to said brand after graduating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:09:06 2021 No.5110493 >>5110424 too late. I've already given up on this vile company that HIRES sex offenders after discovering that history. That's what pushed them over into letting him stay on? Disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:10:04 2021 No.5110525 >>5108441 Holostars............................................................................................

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:11:14 2021 No.5110564

>>5110391
>Meiro was a menhera with a history of plagiarism who demanded to graduate multiple times.
>You mean 1 (one)? And they hired him as soon as they found out (within the literal first day after his debut).
Nijisanji seems like a real hit and miss on their talents, this is why cover is so successful and beloved since every single talent is a hit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:11:19 2021 No.5110569 >>5110453 I don't think Cover wanted to lose Coco, She was still really profitable with all the SC.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:11:26 2021 No.5110574

>>5108728
Even then you could only say they started making money from gen 3 onwards at best who debuted in late 2019. Before that they were just burning runway doing shit like the table tennis VR game and their AR streaming app where you could see a mini-Sora dancing on your bed.
People always scathingly call them a "small indie company" but they really are, which explains so many aspects of their incompetence and why A-chan is basically doing everything. The Cover as you know it now is functionally only one and a half years old at best, because that would be when they started feeling confident that their current business model was actually going to work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:12:20 2021 No.5110599 >>5110564 >since every single talent is a hit Holostars. Choco. Mel. Chris.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:12:51 2021 No.5110618 >>5110574 Pretty sure the original Cover is like Yagoo and 4 dudes sitting in an office on a computer writing code It's really bizarre when you look back at the photos of shit from 2018

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:13:06 2021 No.5110626 >>5107201 Because Nijifaggots and Vshojo whores thats why

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:13:13 2021 No.5110631

>>5110023
So Niji has 3 times more vtubers than Holo but they don't have anyone as good as Fubuki, Korone, Pekora? Also, Hololive has shitton of people with more than 1 million subs while Niji literally has ZERO of them. It's obvious that Cover isn't just lucky but they're really fucking good at choosing talents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:14:03 2021 No.5110647 How many of the HoloJP members will be taking breaks this month?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:14:31 2021 No.5110656 >>5110647 Flare is taking a break in 2 weeks to get surgery

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:15:00 2021 No.5110670 >>5110631 The HoloENs got hundreds of thousands of subscribers before debut and this number keeps growing with every passing gen. You're delusional if you think all of those subscribers are the result of talent and not EOP meme magic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:15:39 2021 No.5110690 >>5107201 Gura has three times the amount of subscribers she had before in a fraction of the time, just because of the brand. Anyone who calls the brand useless is delusional.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:15:58 2021 No.5110699 >>5110656 Serious surgery or minor?

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:16:55 2021 No.5110723

>>5110466
>there's no particular reason to hate on cover when their worst mistake is being useless
Even if all they did was be ceaselessly incompetent, it's still a perfectly valid reason to dislike them. It's not only that, though. Cover is actively pursuing a safe, sterile corporate image and it's hurting the talents' freedom and creativity. Most of them probably only stick around because they feel trapped by their current success, which they might never match if they went indie or hopped over to a more relaxed company. Coco is only the first for whom that scale of priorities finally tipped over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:18:36 2021 No.5110790 >>5110699 Not too serious, she said it'll just result in her streaming time being cut short for a few weeks to help recovery

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:18:47 2021 No.5110799 >>5110631 No I'm saying those 3 were the Catalyst if You take off Fubuki, Korone and Pekora from Cover, Kizuna Ai would still be the most Popular Vtuber Out There.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:19:08 2021 No.5110808 Contrary to what the schizos here would like to believe, the girls are not threatened at gunpoint to belong to Cover. They are adults who chose to work for the company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:20:29 2021 No.5110852 >>5110647 >Coco killed >Haato gone >Shion gone >Rushia depressed >Korone depressed >Aqua will probably leave again after that comeback stream >Luna hinting some shit in her members stream >Ayame - Ayame

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:20:58 2021 No.5110872 >>5110808 Yes, and people choose to work at fast food places as well. It means nothing in regards to the actual quality of the workplace.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:21:30 2021 No.5110886

>>5110808
Nor are they some corporation holding them by a leash ala indentured servitude with a punishing quota
These girls sit at home and order UberEats while doing some Photoshop for thumbnails here and there and probably have to go to the Tokyo offices for meetings, god what a horrible life.
Oh wait they also make a mint doing this

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:23:36 2021 No.5110956

>>5110723
>Cover is actively pursuing a safe, sterile corporate image and it's hurting the talents' freedom and creativity
I assure that aside from coco most talents don't have any good ideas, the time for good ideas, or are willing to spend money for those ideas. Cover seems pretty lenient in what you do as long as it's not incredibly retarded like whatever pekora wanted or incredibly unfiltered like what coco used to do, they approved of marine's expensive projects, mori does her wigger music in peace, even oga got his ochinchin game approved and a holo was going to play it before the dev meltdown

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:23:52 2021 No.5110964 >>5110886 Being stalked by a manager for months while upper management refuses to do anything about it sounds pretty horrible to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:25:20 2021 No.5111017 >>5110956 >as long as it's not incredibly retarded like whatever pekora wanted >deciding that Pekora's idea that was never revealed was retarded based on nothing but sheer blind corporate belief Delusional

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:25:25 2021 No.5111020 >>5110964 what does that have to do with anything with the quality of work they're doing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:27:19 2021 No.5111069 >>5110631 >they don't have anyone as good as Fubuki, Korone, Pekora? Because you obviously never watched any them. You are NPC. You see big number. You watch. Beep boop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:27:30 2021 No.5111071 >>5110852 Is it true that the Shark is depressed as well?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:27:39 2021 No.5111077 >>5111020 The manager works alongside the talent. Their influence impacts the type of content that is produced. The quality of a workplace to neglect their talents to such a degree is low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:27:58 2021 No.5111082 >>5107201 I wanna fuck yagoo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:28:34 2021 No.5111099 >>5111017 Pekora is retarded and has the mentality of a high schooler, therefore I can imagine that her idea was flawed at least, what did she even propose that "giving back to her fans" idea gets rejected but a charity stream is allowed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:28:50 2021 No.5111109 >>5110964 Whoever, Mel is still working for Cover, is she Dumb then? or just a Masochist?, I don't think so. Do not speak thinking you know everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:29:32 2021 No.5111126 >>5111077 Stop pretending you know everything about a situation that's been long resolved, christ you're just as insufferable as a deltafag

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:29:48 2021 No.5111131 >>5111099 guided mutual masturbation in a member's stream

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:30:05 2021 No.5111148 >>5111099 >what did she even propose We don't know. The company that bans content as harmless as Asacoco and NKODICE should not be trusted when it comes to their notion of what ideas are retarded or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:30:42 2021 No.5111167 >>5111099 It was some sort of project that involved going offline I think

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:30:45 2021 No.5111169 >>5110249 What's wrong with getting fucked? Isnt that normal

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:30:59 2021 No.5111177 File: 2.52 MB, 1920x1080, 1620554691868.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5107811 SAME

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:32:29 2021 No.5111212

I'm pro-Cover(corporate).
I like my oshi getting more opportunies and resources so they can grow faster.

Also, Holos are never Cover's employees.
They signed contract with Cover, but they are not Cover's official workers.
Cover only had 20 something employees in early 2020, but by then they already had over 30 Vtubers.

There's a reason why they talked about having problems applying for creditcard.
They are freelance/self-employed from bank's point of view.

Some truth here:
Marine's credit card was frozen after retiring from her office job, and she had problem applying a new one.
Rushia also had the same problem.
Miko and Kanata don't even have one.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:32:32 2021 No.5111214

>>5111109
>The company isn't to blame for allowing a literal stalker to work for them
Holy cope.
>>5111126
I know that Cover made an official apology acknowledging their awareness of Mel's manager situation for months and their subsequent not doing of anything. That's enough.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:32:48 2021 No.5111219

>>5111148
>harmless as Asacoco
Asacoco has caused a fuckton of yabs, it was good content but it was in no way harmless
>NKODICE
Good, fuck that game and the dev
Once again they approved of a fucking charity, literally giving away money that could be theirs, if they approved of that and didn't approve of pekora's then that can only mean pekora's idea wasn't good

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:34:11 2021 No.5111257 >>5111109 Because she know if she move to I say Nijisanji or 774inc she will become bottom barrel vtuber with 5 digit subs as best. She was talentless hack with Cover brand carrying her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:34:38 2021 No.5111268 >>5111219 what kind of Yabs? also not the anon from before

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:35:16 2021 No.5111285

>>5111214
At least get your history right if you're going to shitpost, cover only apologized after narukami exposed them because mel contacted him, and they inmediately fired him after that, it's true that the manager got away with it for months though but you clearly don't know shit

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:35:22 2021 No.5111288

>>5111219
>Asacoco has caused a fuckton of yabs
>Forcing your talent to change their content based around what easily offended snowflakes think
Literally just another one of Cover's faults, the onus is on them.
>Once again they approved of a fucking charity, literally giving away money that could be theirs
Ah, so you're just a moron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:37:13 2021 No.5111346 >>5111285 What did I say that was contradictory to that? I said they made an official apology. They did. I didn't make a claim of the circumstances leading up to it. It's clear you're just grasping at straws at this point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:37:48 2021 No.5111361 >>5111288 >Forcing your talent to change their content based around what easily offended snowflakes think Let me fix that for you anon >Forcing your talent to change their content based around on what the easily offended youtube's AI overlord thinks

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:37:52 2021 No.5111363

>>5111288
You can't apply the "muh snowflake" argument. Japan isn't the west, they're a hard conservative culture with a lot of taboos still ingrained in people's minds despite being a forefront of content on the internet. AsaCoco was a show made for a Japanese audience.
Even the slight accidental oopsie liking Kanata looking like she hung herself when the original context was her pretending to fly on a movie set ala a rope was enough for her to dogeza on twitter and edit her episode of AsaCoco

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:38:31 2021 No.5111381 >>5111363 >Being offended by suicide jokes isn't being a snowflake You do not belong on this website.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:39:11 2021 No.5111405 >>5111381 Thanks for skipping the entire point of my first sentence ya cherrypicking retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:39:34 2021 No.5111418 >>5111361 The easily offended AI overlord that other talent agencies are suspiciously not affected by.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:40:49 2021 No.5111454 >>5111418 >The easily offended AI overlord that other talent agencies are suspiciously not affected by. That's because they don't have a lot viewers or people reporting the stream Mel got shot a lot by the AI in 2020 because of her avatar's tits

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:41:04 2021 No.5111461 >>5111405 I read your attempt at a "point". It was retarded, so I ignored it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:41:47 2021 No.5111471 >>5111257 >Implying she is obligated to search another Job as a Vtuber. Mel is already at the Bottom, and doesn't even get that much SuperChats Like Aki who is also down there. I don't see the appeal of staying with Cover just for the Branding

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:42:13 2021 No.5111487 >>5111461 >It's a japanese show for a japanese audience >Coco pisses off people who still follow taboos >"your argument is dumb" Okay retard

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:43:01 2021 No.5111508

>>5111454
>That's because they don't have a lot viewers or people reporting the stream
Nijisanji members have had plenty of streams removed thanks to content flags in the past, copyright or due to some bot's idea of a rule violation, they simply wait a day or two and the streams are restored to the platform. The idea that Cover "needs" to kneel to YouTube is nothing more than a meme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:43:54 2021 No.5111531 y'all really need to learn to spot arguments not made in good faith, 90% of bait could be avoided if you did

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:44:30 2021 No.5111546

>>5111487
>It's a japanese show for a japanese audience
>Coco pisses off people who still follow taboos
Yes, she pissed off easily offended snowflakes who get upset at "muh cultural taboos". If anything because she's a foreigner they should have been even more lenient.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:44:45 2021 No.5111556 >>5111487 Hololive shouldn't follow retarded Japanese standards when most of their popularity is overseas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:45:56 2021 No.5111593 >>5108364 STFU chang. Nanking wasn't enough.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:46:19 2021 No.5111601

>>5111546
>If anything because she's a foreigner they should have been even more lenient
Hahahahaha god I hope you never visit a shithole like Japan in your life. The notion that a country like Japan will show any sort of forgiveness because you claim to be culturally ignorant is hilarious.
>>5111556
AsaCoco was being made and had its peak audience and growth when she had 100-200k subs, Hololive hadn't popularity hadn't grown quite yet into the west

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:46:38 2021 No.5111608 >>5111257 You seem to imply she needs Cover to survive or something. Mel is one of those who doesn't have being a holo as her full-time job. Even without roommate info this is obvious.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:47:17 2021 No.5111623

>>5111601
>Hahahahaha god I hope you never visit a shithole like Japan in your life
So you acknowledge that it is a shithole. And thus the "people" who follow the shithole's standards are not worth listening to nor kneeling to. Glad we could come to an understanding.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:47:48 2021 No.5111636 >>5111405 Btw hes right you know. Now leave and take your crocodile tears with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:48:26 2021 No.5111652 >>5111601 Your entire argument is retarded, they don't need to follow backassward nip values NOW but they're still doing it because they're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:48:57 2021 No.5111665 >>5111556 >Hololive shouldn't follow retarded Japanese standards Vtubers started to get popular thanks to not following retarded western standards, and following retarded Japanese standards instead.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:48:58 2021 No.5111668

>>5107201
I don't but it is truly irritating to love the talents from it but see all the fuck ups the brand does to not support said talents. I am not going through yet another "bad relationship" kind of connection with people I won't meet in my lifetime and though they have given me some good laughs the negatives from the brand outweigh them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:49:11 2021 No.5111673 >49 posters 1/4 of this thread could be literally one guy

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:49:35 2021 No.5111687

>>5111652
>Your entire argument is retarded, they don't need to follow backassward nip values NOW but they're still doing it because they're retarded.
They're doing it because they're Japanese. You faggots can apply your western exceptionalism all you want on here, it doesn't change how they're brainwashed over there

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:49:56 2021 No.5111696 >>5108208 Bugmen out

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:51:07 2021 No.5111729 >>5108175 But I thought Nene was the seal of approval

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:51:21 2021 No.5111732 >>5111687 >western exceptionalism Twitter tranny detected. Fuck off back to where people won't make le scary suicide jokes to hurt your feelings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:51:28 2021 No.5111734 >>5111665 >let's follow shitty misogynistic japanese values and restrict ourselves instead of being thrown money by the global audience to do the creative streams we want Said no one smart ever, Cover is retarded as are Japs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:51:59 2021 No.5111751 would the same argument apply to an American talent agency promoting gay pride? would you fags start crying because they're just following the western status quo of corporations?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:52:32 2021 No.5111762 >>5111687 That's why hololive is going to lose its popularity in the Western market within a year and it'll be sweet karma for Cover being so dumb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:52:44 2021 No.5111771 Damn, Westerner are so revolutionary and amazing. These jap "Black company" all suck, why don't you guy go watch your amazing and creative indie West "Vtuber" instead of caring and supporting such a horrible place like Cover?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:52:53 2021 No.5111774 prolly because I like underdog strive and become champion stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:53:17 2021 No.5111781 >>5111732 Not once did I ever state I was offended by suicide jokes, go off yourself off a bridge with the trannys ya dumb tosser

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:53:20 2021 No.5111784 >>5111762 And thats a good thing!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:54:20 2021 No.5111806 >>5111762 >Hololive losing its popularity God I wish for the golden days

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:54:44 2021 No.5111815 >>5111471 But Mel and Aki is shitting on 99% of Niji despite being bottom tier Holo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:55:34 2021 No.5111835 >>5111762 This is what Cover themself hope for. Being too popular for the west bring nothing but trouble. Just look at the amount of roommate vid and how positive received it is. Most of the faggots asking for Vshojo collab also there too lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:55:45 2021 No.5111844 >>5108556 You've confused Aqua with Choco. Newfags wouldn't know it, but Choco was relatively very big in Hololive and then Susan ruined the fun. Aqua took a while longer to boom. She definitely did boom though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:55:48 2021 No.5111847 >>5111815 >bottom tier Holo. oh boy you've got no idea how true that is for mel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:56:02 2021 No.5111857 >>5109656 Thank God I'm an aifag then.

Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:56:06 2021 No.5111859

>>5111762
>That's why hololive is going to lose its popularity in the Western market within a year and it'll be sweet karma for Cover being so dumb.
That means the dead of vtubing in the west in general, not like cover cares since most of their money is in japan with all their merch and events, oh maybe towa will have to graduate though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:56:44 2021 No.5111878 >>5111781 Sure. You just implied it heavily. Now go back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:57:11 2021 No.5111888 >>5109989 >t. reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:57:12 2021 No.5111890 >>5111878 It was never implied, cry more lad

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:58:16 2021 No.5111904 >>5111859 >not like cover cares since most of their money is in japan with all their merch and events Thank christ, I wouldn't want to imagine how god awful a concert at an American anime convention would be

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:58:18 2021 No.5111906 >>5111844 how big is Choco's ASMR stream?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:58:18 2021 No.5111907 >>5111890 Okay Britbong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:58:37 2021 No.5111920 >>5109293 She does really care about the JP culture, and her Holotalk series is pretty good. Hell, she did a whole stream this week with Usaken, and part of their group at this point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:58:58 2021 No.5111930 >>5109654 >classic blunder A land war in Asia?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:58:59 2021 No.5111932 File: 62 KB, 800x420, Mel 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5111847 MEL LOVE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 14 23:59:12 2021 No.5111938 >>5111835 >>5111859 Delusional, without the Western market hololive would be smashed by Nijisanji in a split second

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:01:09 2021 No.5111990 File: 2.55 MB, 7000x6608, 1609379301689.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5111847 Just means Mel has more room in her heart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:02:48 2021 No.5112028 >>5111556 Okay now I'm one of the biggest fucking Coco homers here but that is just asking for a monkey's paw. You have no idea what you're asking for when you say that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:04:11 2021 No.5112064 >>5111932 >>5111990 oh i think she's got plenty of room in her bottom for love, lads

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:04:21 2021 No.5112072 >>5112028 nobody on here does, they just know what they know from their own country and see what the japs do and go "why cant they just be like x", they have no idea how batshit crazy japs are

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:04:45 2021 No.5112082 >>5112028 Following Japanese culture and standards is what caused Coco to be bullied out of the company. Why the fuck would you defend that? Her treatment wouldn't fly if she was in a Western agency that's more accountable to its talents and the fans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:05:24 2021 No.5112097 >>5112082 >Following Japanese culture and standards is what caused Coco to be bullied out of the company. ogey

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:05:53 2021 No.5112108 >>5111938 It is true that Nijisanji used to be more popular, And Mito Tsukino was ahead on subscribers than anyone at Hololive. But right now, Hololive is way bigger than Nijisanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:06:36 2021 No.5112125 >>5112108 mito has also sadly lost her throne to some dude who streams apex, what a tragedy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:07:35 2021 No.5112162 File: 266 KB, 817x613, sicilian approb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5111930 You're on the right track, but no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:07:35 2021 No.5112164 >>5111938 Where's nijisanji's tv show?

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:07:38 2021 No.5112167

>>5112082
>Her treatment wouldn't fly if she was in a Western agency that's more accountable to its talents and the fans.
her treatment wouldn't fly even in a western agency that was opaque as shit and treated its fans as nothing but wallets, because constructive dismissal is illegal in the US

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:08:38 2021 No.5112201 >>5112108 Only because of the overseas market propping up hololive. No one in holo would be over 500k subs without the global audience

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:09:09 2021 No.5112216 >>5107391 also Pekora and Rushia, even Kanata

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:09:14 2021 No.5112220
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>>5111673
The OP is literally bait, setting up strife between holomems and Cover.
The benefits Cover provides allowed many girls to piggy off an existing fanbase and attain successes beyond their wildest dreams (even though Gura was already arguably successful, she's much more so now). And they are very corporate-friendly so sponsorships, promotions and merchs keep flying in. The drawbacks are that to maintain that corporate-friendly image, you have to conform to their rules.

Clearly Coco found that stifling, and with her newfound fame, she can go full independent and do whatever. More power to her. But that's a situation unique to Coco. If she were to tell aspiring vtubers to start out as indies, it would not be advice but just reality for many. There are plenty of free and unknown indie vtubers out there. Gura seems to be in the other direction. Her past life was full of yab. But she prefers the life she now has, where she enjoys wider social acceptance, while keeping her stream full of innuendos. Different strokes for different folks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:09:41 2021 No.5112234 >>5112164 The same place as Hololive's.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:09:46 2021 No.5112236

>>5111556
Even though I really am a hololive fan, I never had any affection for YAGOO. To me he always has been an asocial nerd who spends his time in his little office making his own business without ever assuming the phenomenon that hololive has become, and showing the most explicit disrespect for the international hololive community. As a frequent user of both nicodouga and youtube, I am quite confident to say that there are more (probably even WAY more) hololive fans in the whole world excluding Japan than there are in Japan alone. So sorry, but don't come and tell me that the poor little scared child wants everything to stay "within the reglementations of Japan" because, guess what ? hololive isn't japanese anymore, it's a worldwide phenomenon, and if YAGOO actually believes you can become famous worldwide and get a huge international fanbase WHILE staying in his confort zone and continue his little life as if those million people never existed then he'd better sell the whole thing, 'cause he doesn't deserve any of that success he has. This is disrespectful for his fans and insulting. I have never seen YAGOO promoting or offering support to people working on a fangame, or a fan-made anime, or anything that could make hololive something (even) better. But I learn here it's not the first time that he comes and ruins a project without reason. Here we see it again with that Coco channel. I mean, look at that, look at the quality of the work that has been done, the time that has been invested. YAGOO doesn't even have the skill to do something a tenth as good as this quality-wise. But, no, he doesn't want it done, so he decides to just crush everything and put a year of work to waste.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:09:46 2021 No.5112237 >>5112097 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:09:46 2021 No.5112239

>>5109477
It's easier to get your stuff out there on the internet but it doesn't mean anyone will watch it. There are thousands of bright-eyed Indies with barely five viewers all fighting to get big. Do you honestly think someone like Anya or Nene would stand out and have half as many viewers if they didn't join Hololive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:10:02 2021 No.5112251 >>5112064 Would Mel enjoy anal? Asking for a friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:11:00 2021 No.5112272 >>5107730 your oshi is boring and mediocre

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:11:08 2021 No.5112279 >>5112164 Here, it was Trash tho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sG-LadulOo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:12:11 2021 No.5112310 >>5112167 Yes, so why would anyone think it's a good thing to follow Japanese norms?

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:12:21 2021 No.5112315

>>5112237
>whereby employees are transferred to another department where they are assigned meaningless work until they become disheartened and resign
So you linked me something that has nothing to do with Coco or her desire to likely not extend her contract with her employer as per the fact she was never changed from a talent or the fact she had free control over her own what she did and what she wanted to do
Sasuga retard-kun

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:13:45 2021 No.5112361 >>5109477 No anon. It USED to be the best time to get into online entertainment independently. The corporates are squeezing into the space and making it harder and harder to get noticed as an indie everyday.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:14:28 2021 No.5112379 >>5112315 you gave yourself away

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:14:41 2021 No.5112383 >>5112310 >Yes, so why would anyone think it's a good thing to follow Japanese norms? because 100% of stockholders are Japanese in a domestically Japanese corporation It's hard to process I know

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:15:41 2021 No.5112408 >>5112379 ogey

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:15:50 2021 No.5112415 >>5110569 >Didn't want to lose her >Kept her in virtual jail No anon they wanted her ass gone, its standard nip procedure for a person that's to powerful and high profile, you isolate them till they quit on their own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:16:16 2021 No.5112427 >>5108441 >It's like cheering for a big family/group of friends and watching them develop yes anon, it was perceived like that, but now you know that things are not like that, until when you will keep lying to yourself?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:16:58 2021 No.5112437 >>5112415 you're an idiot just like many of the other idiots itt cover is incompetent, meaning they can't do their job they're not retarded business men, they know where money lies, and money comes out of that dragon's asshole

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:17:22 2021 No.5112450

>>5112310
Why not be honest? As much as anons love shitting on Japanese culture, the reason anime and vtubers became wildly popular is that the sanitized, seiso and emotional aspects of Japanese culture are exotic to many Westerners who are repulsed by the more vulgar aspects of Western culture (Vshojo etc.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:17:43 2021 No.5112459 >>5112415 Isolate coco but collabs LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING WEEK YOU WATCH MEME REVIEW EVERY WEEK TO SHIT ON HER

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:18:19 2021 No.5112478 >>5112315 They banned Coco from doing any collabs for a full year, that's bullying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:18:25 2021 No.5112480 >>5112082 >JAPAN IS SO EVIL CANCEL THE JAPANESE MUH LEDDIT DRAGON Wtf I have the sudden urge to kneel and shart myself now

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:19:14 2021 No.5112498
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>>5112082
>implying I ever defended Coco's indefensible treatment
>not even mentioning Chinese fuckery once
Know this pal, if it ain't one set of stupid fuckery it's another. As backwards and bullshit as some Japs operate, they CAN be made to have some flexibility under the right conditions. If it all suddenly changed and you had Cover operate by pure western standards like Sony you know what you'll get? Coco tarnished or worse. There's a reason why people keep coming to drink from the Japanese well and it's because they don't like how fuckers operate in the west. What you'd get is corporate mandated BLM or pride shit in your oshi's stream, and God help her if she doesn't kiss that ring. And you'd get the cancerous corrosive work environment and culture that comes with that, and just like now at Cover, incompetent people there wouldn't get canned, they'd fall up if anything. All you gotta do is kiss the right ass, make the right noises, and unless you end up as a controlled burn, you're golden. That's what you invite when you say shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:19:19 2021 No.5112499 >>5112437 right, so explain why coco's graduation was pinned to the date of the ccp's 100th anniversary

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:19:29 2021 No.5112504 >>5112459 Stop lying, she couldn't collab with EN for a year, how do you explain that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:19:51 2021 No.5112511 >>5112499 because you need to take your medication

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:20:44 2021 No.5112530 >>5112383 Except Cover has a major Taiwanese shareholder listed on their website you fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:21:01 2021 No.5112540 >>5112504 >>5112478 EN hasn't been around for a full year, if youre spout facts and still be wrong, atleast get the time correct

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:21:05 2021 No.5112541 >>5112437 Coco has wanted to graduate since March you stupid fuck, its clear the pressure was getting to her. >>5112459 >EN couldn't even mention her name for awhile

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:21:25 2021 No.5112550 >>5112511 literally the most damning piece of evidence and you have no answer for it i think you're too invested in this argument to be trolling so that just leaves plain stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:21:47 2021 No.5112554 Console war bros... we won

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:22:10 2021 No.5112560 >>5112550 okay grandpa, the red scare happened 60+ years ago, take your meds

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:23:09 2021 No.5112590 >>5112504 Cover being retard with their "Protection" Just that.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:23:55 2021 No.5112611

>>5112499
July 1st is considered the start of a new business cycle on a half year basis, to end a contract on a day like that is convenient in the grand system of things but explaining even something as simple as this would probably make your headspin because you let some random bugmen on a forum live in your head

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:24:41 2021 No.5112627 >>5112554 Naruhodo..... Nintendo was the Winner all along!

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:24:56 2021 No.5112634

>>5112498
>implying there's anything wrong with equal rights
>implying Coco would be some alt-right tard that hates equal rights
Lmao you serious? Are you actually comparing corporate bullying from Chinese investors and managers to taking a principled stand for progressive values?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:24:59 2021 No.5112635 File: 115 KB, 1040x673, July1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5112550 Why are you so obsessed about China, Overseabro?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:25:48 2021 No.5112657 I want to go back to 2018-2019... the golden age...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:27:48 2021 No.5112714 File: 428 KB, 640x667, 1589214325147.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lot of angry people itt very upset their narratives just get shot down with a simple "no"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:27:50 2021 No.5112715 >>5112504 >stop lying What am I lying about, she collabs literally all the fucking time, she lives with another holomem, and she's collabing with EN now, if cover wanted to isolate her then they're sure doing an awful job at it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:29:09 2021 No.5112755 >>5112715 She only got to collab now because she's graduating, they banned her from collabs before that, it's obvious if you look at the timeline and aren't blind

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:29:17 2021 No.5112759

>>5111508
Just a rrat but AnyColor is a bigger company so they may have more influence and connections to correct these things.
A recent example is how Pomu was denied monetization due to the AI thinking her content wasn't genuine. Normally she'd have to wait 30 days to apply again, but they were able to appeal it and get her approved in 1-2 days.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:30:49 2021 No.5112796 >>5112657 Nothing has changed Anon, you only started to visit this place.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:30:52 2021 No.5112798

V-Tubers are inherently a Japanese product created to cater to a Japanese market first, just like anime. Of course they're going to follow their own ass-backwards culture even though the rest of the world fucking hates it. If you don't like it, then go watch a normal streamer that isn't based in fucking Japan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:31:43 2021 No.5112821 >>5112755 In what way is that isolation? Was coco so desperate that she wanted to graduate because she wanted to bully mori into becoming spaghetti but couldn't contact her?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:32:27 2021 No.5112834 >>5110599 >Choco ASMR 12K live viewers Mito average kek 5k live viewers Honma boring game 4k live viewers or less and those are the top nijis, nijikeks are really shameless when talking about their masters

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:32:57 2021 No.5112846 >>5112821 >banning Coco from collabing or interacting with anyone on stream >not isolation

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:35:18 2021 No.5112904 >>5112846 he's not arguing in good faith, you should not waste your time on him

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:35:57 2021 No.5112928
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>>5112634
This bad faith framing and projection right here is why everyone. Enjoy it while it lasts. Pride and an arrogant spirit go before a fall, and sadly we have a long way to go. You WILL live to see all your unquestioned assumptions and all your sacred cows and all those things you take for granted go up in smoke. And it won't be all those icky non-humans who disagree with you that will do the deed, it will be everyone else coming to feast on the corpse of a balkanized former US.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:36:04 2021 No.5112930 >>5107201 >Muh epic le black company meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:37:00 2021 No.5112954 >>5112834 >Mito average kek 5k live viewers She gets 15k and over on the regular, what reality are you living in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:37:51 2021 No.5112974 >>5110956 Kanata wanted to do AsaKanata and was denied by management, and the ban of Coco to collab with HoloEN is unjustified, if you keep defending Cover you are a fucking employee hired to defend that black company

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:38:15 2021 No.5112984 >>5112930 >meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:39:03 2021 No.5113003 >>5111212 Kanata has a shit credit rating though. She was so poor at one point she couldn't pay her bills and is blacklisted because of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:39:22 2021 No.5113006 >>5112984 le black companies in real life drive people to jump in front of trains these girls could just say im done ala email and go back to sleep

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:39:48 2021 No.5113020 >>5111020 >what does that have to do everything, you don't guarantee a safe place to work, then you are not to be trusted

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:40:02 2021 No.5113031

>>5112846
>banning Coco from collabing or interacting with anyone on stream
Banning coco from collabing with 5 members, arguably less since gura collabs with no one, is isolation and bullying that made her graduate. If anything EN is the one getting isolated, coco has collabed with a ton more people in one month than all of them combined in their entire time in hololive
>with anyone
She collabs with literally everyone else, EVERY SINGLE WEEK

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:41:41 2021 No.5113076 >>5113006 >le black companies in real life drive people to jump in front of trains Yeah and Cover black company just fails to protect Aloe and makes her attempt suicide lol, totally different.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:41:44 2021 No.5113079 >>5113031 Funny how that collabs only started getting approved 3 months ago when she already decided to graduate, she was virtually isolated before that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:42:34 2021 No.5113097 >he's a MASSfag Okay nevermind, I regret I even responded to a tard

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:42:37 2021 No.5113098

>>5112974
>Kanata wanted to do AsaKanata and was denied by management
No, it's just that she has to get everything approved by management, which is a massive pain and you get why coco stopped doing asacoco after 3.0
>and the ban of Coco to collab with HoloEN is unjustified
Yes, however this is not the reason for coco graduating nor does this mean that cover is an evil company bullying coco by isolating her

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:43:41 2021 No.5113128 >>5113079 Reddit review has been going on for way more time than that anon, and before you say she's excluded from big events she was in the minecraft sport festival

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:43:42 2021 No.5113129

>>5112634
And by the way reprobate, I'm under no illusions as to what Coco might think. It's the spirit of the age, for now. There is a difference between someone like Coco and with the priorities she has, and someone who is coarse, has no boundaries and no respect for the boundaries of others, and beats the socio political horse to death.
>inb4 Coco had no boundaries etc
No fuckers, she has discretion. Problem is people wanna go 50 mph and Coco thinks going faster and throwing in a little Vin Diesel flourish is not only doable but a crowd pleaser.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:44:20 2021 No.5113142 >>5113076 Are you ok Schizo? Don't take your fanfiction as fact, it made you look like a retard.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:46:25 2021 No.5113183

>>5111285
>and they inmediately fired him after that,
you talking about history and shitpost?, faggot the stalker was never fired, he was relocated in the company, they couldn't fire him because he knew personal information of several holos, and could do real harm.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:46:28 2021 No.5113188

There's a lot of misinformation in here (no shit) but one thing I'll correct is Coco has acknowledged not letting anyone help her with AsaCoco took an extreme strain on her mental and physical health
It's one of if not the biggest reasons for her stopping it, she wanted full control and she maintained it, she filmed it, recorded it, edited and came up with every new idea herself with no one else's help and this in turn took hours upon hours of sleep from her daily

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:47:40 2021 No.5113223 >>5113142 >Aloe attempts suicide after quitting Hololive >Aloe later talks shit about Cover management on Twitter Put two and two together, retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:47:58 2021 No.5113234 >>5112928 this is a vtuber board take your delusional LARPing somewhere else

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:48:19 2021 No.5113246 File: 1.35 MB, 1920x1963, 1623451333481.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5111405 >cherrypicking somebody kill this impure faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:48:22 2021 No.5113247 >>5113223 Do you also think her dad is hitler and her mom stole all her money for gacha? Any other fan fictions you got?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:49:04 2021 No.5113267 >>5111071 I don't watch HoloEN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:49:26 2021 No.5113281 5113223 Where do these kind of people even come from? At least pretend to make up ok narratives if you want the (You)s

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:51:19 2021 No.5113314 delta retards, please stick to your pedophile ring on this board, nobody gives a shit about your mentally unstable teenager except (you), you're unironically one of the worse fanbases in vtubing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:54:48 2021 No.5113366 >>5113247 Keep coping, a former talent's word is infinitely more trustworthy than a corporation's. No amount of character assassination you attempt to spout will change the fact that Aloe knows what it's like to work for Cover firsthand.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:55:10 2021 No.5113388

>5113234
How odd that if I directly quote you I keep getting captcha errors. Really makes you think.
I kept my shit on topic while you sharted out /pol/ bait so you can suck my cock. After that you can go sulk off back to /pol/ with the rest of the crayon eaters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:55:25 2021 No.5113396 >>5111751 Of course they will cry. Did you forget that people on this board threw a fit over LGBT related topics in Nijisanji?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:56:55 2021 No.5113441 >>5113366 two streams

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:58:09 2021 No.5113467 TFW you didn't even work in Cover for a month and now you know the in and out of it. People keep saying that Aloe graduate was a blessing. And now I'm starting to see why. That menhera zoomer just take everything 5ch said as fact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:58:31 2021 No.5113478 >>5111751 >>5113396 yes; have you forgotten where we are? this board will find a way to get upset over anything because it lives off of drama

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 00:59:52 2021 No.5113514 >>5113441 And how many streams have the faceless suits at Cover done for you to defend them like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:00:36 2021 No.5113536 >>5111906 Back in the day they were relatively speaking huge. Susan doesn't let Choco do that kind of stuff anymore because Takeshi's body couldn't take it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:01:09 2021 No.5113557 >>5113467 they give money to a teenager who ditches them for months at a time as they all circlejerk together and cry crocodile tears about how moral they are it's really sad and the worst case of saviourfagging i've seen

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:02:37 2021 No.5113596 Are we really defend Cover? Or do we just hate retard taking made up narrative too far ? At least use fact in your argument.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:02:39 2021 No.5113597 >>5113098 >nor does this mean that cover is an evil company bullying coco by isolating her So how much is cover paying you? you know that it doesn't matter what you say, their brand is going to hell, and nobody is swallowing your bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:03:36 2021 No.5113615 >>5113597 >their brand is going to hell maybe in your head lol but not in their financial statements

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:04:46 2021 No.5113648 >>5113615 Yeah, I'm sure they won't miss their former first top Superchat earner lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:06:51 2021 No.5113721 >>5113615 >maybe in your head a-anon... i'm sad to tell you this but, maybe your contract won't last until the end of year

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:07:00 2021 No.5113725 >>5113467 >TFW you didn't even work in Cover for a month and now you know the in and out of it. the entire fifth gen would have been working with cover for way longer than a month pre-debut, kiddo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:08:22 2021 No.5113774 >>5113721 Only Nijisanji so far has never renewed contracts (see: Lulu's sister) Every Holo has been offered extensions and probably taken them except Coco

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:09:36 2021 No.5113813 >>5113648 Cover will never recover from this, it's not like they have other ways to get money with other talents aside from literally the worst method they have...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:09:43 2021 No.5113817 >>5113721 Holo CN went down pretty fast, around three months, this employee>>5113615 doesn't understand how volatile is this business and how fast it can go to shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:10:32 2021 No.5113842 >>5113817 I'm sure you know the workings of an industry that's only been in the mainstream for roughly 2 years and change We clearly can predict the future and have all the data Mr. Chang

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:10:58 2021 No.5113854 >>5108175 >Cover Corp. is like a seal of approval. You know it's going to be good if they're endorsing it. Roboco, Miyabi, and Artia prove you wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:11:46 2021 No.5113877 >>5113817 >Holo CN went down pretty fast They lasted nearly 2 whole months after their graduation got announced, and that's going down fast?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:12:28 2021 No.5113902 File: 75 KB, 267x267, 1623311854991.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5113842 at least do you work properly and try to blend, we call them ZHANG or CHINKS not changs, that's not even real chinese

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:12:42 2021 No.5113913 >>5113813 Yeah, I'm sure they can convince the EOP audience to pay for the JP branch only concerts when both of the English speaking talents from it are gone lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:13:55 2021 No.5113955 >>5113913 Holofest 1 occurred before the western invasion and sold out in minutes so yeah Hololive did just fine actually before the EOPs but I guess clipniggers and 2020fags are just gonna pretend that Hololive was founded March 2020

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:14:41 2021 No.5113985

>>5113615
Give it a year. Corps in Cover's situation that take this route tend to double down as soon at first sight of the consequences, usually because they're myopic but in Cover's case it'll probably their sclerotic reflexes that will screw them hard. Add in the talents as a wild card. If nobody else graduates within say 9 months to a year then you'll probably get a Cover that peaks and then coasts on its laurels until history repeats and another group kneecaps them. If someone else risks a cascade and goes or more likely decides not to renew then get ready for some fireworks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:15:55 2021 No.5114019 >>5113877 that's fast anon, understand that outside you NEET unexperienced bubble, in the real world were you don't exist, there are compromises, contracts, hired people, commisions and lots of money involved

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:16:43 2021 No.5114045 >>5113913 Anon, you're not fucking everybody, everyone was watching jp without understanding shit before, they'll continue to watch jp without understanding shit now, do you think everyone is watching holoEN or something?

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:17:08 2021 No.5114063

>>5113955
>Hololive did just fine actually before the EOPs
That was when they'd yet to expand overseas. Now that they have more costs to cover, they need to make more money. You're out of your mind if you think the money they made before would be enough to break even now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:17:52 2021 No.5114086 >>5114063 >Now that they have more costs to cover What costs? The ones you're pulling out of your ass?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:17:57 2021 No.5114088 >>5114019 >in the real world were you don't exist, there are compromises, contracts, hired people, commisions and lots of money involved This is vtubing, are you comparing actual businesses with fucking vtubing of all things?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:18:10 2021 No.5114094 >>5114045 >everyone was watching jp without understanding shit before Clipniggers are not the paying audience, no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:19:15 2021 No.5114118 >>5114063 >Now that they have more costs to cover Calli on her own can pay for every single salary in the company

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:19:16 2021 No.5114119 >>5114086 The salary they pay to their new employees, for starters. Their managers as well. Unless you're saying they're doing it for free, in which either case Cover looks bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:20:06 2021 No.5114151 >>5114094 nigga you just argued yourself into a brick fucking wall totally by accident, unless you actually believe this shit in which case you are one STUPID newfag

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:20:18 2021 No.5114158 >>5114094 You wish it was clipniggers nigger, want to know how much does everyone complains about chat being overrun by EOPs? And since when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:20:20 2021 No.5114160 >>5113985 with all these drama they are killing a lot of the hype for that 6th gen JP and the 2nd gen EN that will be anounced in july and august, they won't grow as fast as they did anymore, people are losing interest, Niji EN is the proof

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:20:21 2021 No.5114163 >>5114118 Delusional.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:20:26 2021 No.5114167

>>5114119
Nigga they get paid a floor base salary and get a tip compensation from spacha and memberships on top of it. Do you think Gura's salary is 6 digits? Fuck no, she's making 6 digits off her extra financial compensation. You have 0 sense of business or how they get paid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:22:08 2021 No.5114229 Lol the guy who thinks these girls have the contracts of professional sports figures which puts Cover in theoretical debt in his mind is calling others delusional

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:22:19 2021 No.5114238

>>5114151
>you are one STUPID newfag
Right, I'm sorry. I forgot to count the superchats in ARS her Espanol audience routinely sent her. I'm sure that'll cover Cover. Lol.
>>5114158
>chat being overrun by EOPs
Actually thinking underaged chat spammers saying "PEKORA CAN YOU SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY FRIEND KNEE GROW" pay lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:22:56 2021 No.5114260 >>5114088 >This is vtubing, are you comparing actual businesses anon, vtubing is a business and cover is a company, please don't reproduce, let your retard genes die with you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:23:28 2021 No.5114274 >>5114167 >There is NO additional costs >The additional costs aren't THAT much Keep moving the goalposts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:24:06 2021 No.5114303 >>5114163 Let me guess, you think she only gets superchats?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:24:50 2021 No.5114319 >>5114274 You have yet to specify any costs whatsoever besides your madeup methodology as to how these girls get paid, you've convinced yourself of something so retarded that it legit gets disproven by mere clipniggers itt

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:25:22 2021 No.5114346 >>5114303 You going to pull a Nijinigger and boast about "muh merch profits"?

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:26:21 2021 No.5114377

>>5114238
>Actually thinking underaged chat spammers saying "PEKORA CAN YOU SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY FRIEND KNEE GROW" pay lol.
Great argument anon, incredibly well done in good faith, it's not like there are holos who have a 50/50 split on JP/EOP superchats

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:26:24 2021 No.5114378 >>5114319 >You have yet to specify any costs whatsoever So you don't believe they have a salary cost. So you believe they get paid nothing. Truly Cover is a black company.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:26:29 2021 No.5114379 File: 37 KB, 515x542, 1614853865940.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cover is a shit black company and deserves to end

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:26:34 2021 No.5114381 >>5114274 kanata and coco were so underwhelmed by their first paycheck they complained about it on stream iirc their month's salary was in the three digits (USD)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:27:21 2021 No.5114411 >>5114378 >So you don't believe they have a salary cost >>5114167 >>"Nigga they get paid a floor base salary" You're a literal schizo and retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:27:41 2021 No.5114418 >>5114346 Nijiniggers are right in that merch generates a fuckton of money, they're wrong in that they sell more than holo merch, you retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:29:16 2021 No.5114470 >>5114377 >good faith I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but that doesn't make me any less correct.

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:29:41 2021 No.5114485

Here's what holos have in common with other streamers
They make money off donations after corpos take their share off the top, they also make money off channel monthly payment memberships
What they don't have in common, they belong to a talent agency and perform under their banner so they get paid a salary as well
All of this has been laid out over the course of years in clips by multiple holos
It's actually sad a clipfag can know more than someone so confident in their misinformation

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:30:35 2021 No.5114509 >>5114381 Cover are a black company that underpays their talents, thanks for proving my point

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:30:44 2021 No.5114515 >>5114411 So which is it? Did I specify a cost or not? Because I'm pretty sure a salary counts as a cost.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:30:48 2021 No.5114519 >>5114485 Also if you think Cover is struggling financially after how much money their merch, their share of spacha and overall sales of concerts pulls in, you're a fucking moron

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:31:39 2021 No.5114539 >>5114470 Feel free to show the numbers of JP/EN superchats, I can't wait to be proven wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:31:51 2021 No.5114550 >>5114381 >Implying that wouldn't have been negotiated later on as the company became more profitable Lmao.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:32:36 2021 No.5114566 >>5114381 Kanata didn't even have 50k subs by her first paycheck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:33:26 2021 No.5114588 >>5114418 >Nijiniggers are right in that merch generates a fuckton of money Ah, so you were a Nijinigger in disguise. That explains a lot. I guess you can forgive a lot if you can forgive them hiring a literal rapist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:34:22 2021 No.5114610 >>5114550 I doubt they did, who the fuck cares about the base salary when all your income is from everything else? It's only rough at the start when you don't have monetization

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:35:16 2021 No.5114633 >>5114539 You're the one making the claim that EOPs actually donate to JOP holos, the onus of proving that is on you. I'll be sitting here secure knowing that I can trust my eyes and that they don't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:35:23 2021 No.5114636 5114588 Yeah anon I'm sure that makes me a nijinigger when I said that they sell less than holo merch, you caught me there good job

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:35:50 2021 No.5114650

as someone who's watched this medium since 2018 i wish this shit would die in the west like some retarded fad like fidget spinners or whatever's cool for 5 seconds
the pandemic really brought in all the garbage and god i wish you fucks would just die off and go ruin some other niche corner of internet entertainment

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:36:32 2021 No.5114673 >>5114610 >I doubt they did Nice headcanon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:37:00 2021 No.5114687 the real headcanon is this nigga who thinks he knows how a private corporation pays its employees

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:37:37 2021 No.5114704 >>5114673 >my speculation is better than your speculation not him, but you are retarded either way

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:37:56 2021 No.5114712 >>5114636 Glad you admitted it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:39:08 2021 No.5114750 >>5114704 >>my speculation is better than your speculation Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:39:33 2021 No.5114761 >my bullshit i know nothing about is better than your bullshit you know nothing about Bunch of retards arguing in circles who dont even like vtubers

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:40:22 2021 No.5114780 >>5114633 https://i.warosu.org/data/jp/img/0323/66/1611064653449.png From 6 months ago, and holo is twice as big with EOPS as back then

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:42:26 2021 No.5114842 >>5114588 Mel's stalker was a Cover employee, though

Anonymous Tue Jun 15 01:45:57 2021 No.5114933

>>5114588
>I guess you can forgive a lot if you can forgive them hiring a literal rapist.

>Enikara hires a rapist (Raito)
>fires him immediately when they notice he's a creep
>Cover hires a rapist (Mel's manager)
>turns a blind eye while he sexually harasses Mel until Narukami makes a video drawing attention to the problem
>finally gets rid of the bastard only to save their brand image

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