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>> No.50554058

>>50553978
ID4 When?

>> No.50554088

>>50553978
BAHAHAHAHAHA OMEGA AND HOMOS BTFO’D

WE WON UNICHADS

>> No.50554089

>>50553978
>BEEEG NEWS!!
Why did they hire a child to run this account?

>> No.50554109

>>50553978
different twitter tags with almost the same name, im actually glad they stuck with one this time

>> No.50554122

>>50554088
did you even read?

>> No.50554125

>It's real
They're really trying to push this shit on us, huh

>> No.50554139

>>50553978
>holopro is the future guys
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.50554155

MASSIVE FAILURE THAT TWITTER ACCOUNT

>> No.50554188

>>50553978
Is there a HolostarsEN twitter? If not, they just want homos posted under the same account.

>> No.50554186
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50554186

>>50554089
Sounds like something Sana would say

>> No.50554219

HOLOPRO BTFO
OMEGA BTFO

>> No.50554239

>>50554088
>Holopro EN is gone
>Hololive EN replaces it
>still reports information about Holostars English
...idk what counts as a win anymore

>> No.50554240

>>50553978
Sana is omega and is the one pushing homos down your throat

>> No.50554278

>>50553978
>"Bro, homofags arent real, no one is going to force homos down your throat"
>"Also if you dislike homos getting thrown together with the girls constantly you are literally a bigot"
The absolute state of HoloEN.

>> No.50554311

>>50554088
you must be squinting too hard anon

>> No.50554343

>>50553978
Why couldn't they use the holopro account for holopro news instead of taking over the holoen account for holopro news?

>> No.50554349

This is only an issue if you use twitter. Do you fags actually use twitter?? an hero

>> No.50554361

>>50554278
Well, it seems management on the EN side just fucking hates segregation, for whatever asinine reason.

>> No.50554370

>>50554088
>>50554139
>>50554155
>>50554219
>We will keep tweeting for hololive English AND HOLOSTARS ENGLISH THERE
niggers didn't even read the entire thing, they're just closing this account so that they can shill the homos on the actual @hololive_EN account

>> No.50554374

>>50554311
It's a nijinigger desperate for any scrap he can get after Vox got suspended AGAIN.

>> No.50554384

inb4 hololive x holostars EN off collab
let's goooo

>> No.50554400

>our house got really filthy and nobody wants to live there for some reason so we're gonna crash at your place from now on
No, motherfucker. Get out.

>> No.50554420

>>50554343
they probably thought that two twitter accounts are weird and finally decided to shut one down

>> No.50554430

>>50554370
>try to make a new brand name for mixed content
>it flops
>fuck it let's move the homoshit to the main account then
>it flops even harder and makes people upset this time
Can't wait

>> No.50554501

>>50554420
It’s really not difficult to maintain HoloEN and the homos as two separate accounts. There’s only really overlap ON Twitter, not off of it.

>> No.50554511

>>50554400
i thought we were winning? >>50554088

>> No.50554535

>>50553978
Capital letters lmao. How desperate

>> No.50554580

>>50553978
>corp decides managing two accounts instead of one is not worth it
>purge one and move on to the other
>this is somehow some sort of statement and something to celebrate or dread for whatever reason

>> No.50554606

Amaze me more that you people are celebrating this. I wanna see EN girls burn and collapse once holostar fucking all of your oshi

>> No.50554613

>>50554430
honestly I don't even know why they couldn't just make a Holostars Twitter when they made a Youtube channel for them.
Hell even Holostars JP get their own

>> No.50554647

>>50554370
Omega himself was far more of an existential threat than a few tweets about some fags that’ll likely get relegated to their own Twitter account after like a month or two.

>> No.50554657

>>50554613
Because no one would care about it

>> No.50554663

>>50553978
>You WILL receive tweets about stars
>You WILL accept men into the female group
Thankfully I don't use twitter so this doesn't actually affect me kek. The girls will continue to not collab with your men, cope and seethe en management.

>> No.50554681

>>50554613
>Hell even Holostars JP get their own
They still get posted on the main hololivetv account. Why hasn't this caused homo offcollabs and the downfall of JP?

>> No.50554682

>>50554580
schizo thread pls understand

>> No.50554699

>>50554606
based unicuck wants to see the rest of the world burn

>> No.50554717

>>50554343
>>50554501
Holoen account already does Holostar news, same shit for the japanese account as well, nothing new. You getting mad at literally nothing right now, you just see males and pop a blood vessel.
Real retard energy.

>> No.50554723

>>50554657
and they think people interested in CGDCT will be interested in faggots

>> No.50554725

You ever just stop and think that Shinove fucking quit because he couldn't take the preferential treatment Tempiss got over Stars JP? That, and Vesper probably being a cunt to him before he got suspended as it makes me think Vesper's suspension should have been a goddamn termination.

>> No.50554744

>>50554725
You are making up things to be angry at. Please get yourself checked out.

>> No.50554760

>>50554717
Sister, you're being ableist which goes against the very cause we claim to support right now.

>> No.50554787

>>50554717
they have very fragile hearts anon, go easy on them

>> No.50554797

And then in another year after Tempus 3 and a mixed generation of three males and two females debuts, when Hololive EN's numbers are similar to Nijisanji EN's, the incredibly retarded management of holoen will seethe and complain that fans aren't supporting PRODUCT.

>>50554088
Unintelligent post.

>> No.50554817

BTFO

>> No.50554823

I don't get it. What am I supposed to be angry about?

>> No.50554831

>>50554760
>we
just you bitch

>> No.50554838

>>50554186
THE RRATS AIEEEEEEEEEEE
SANA AND OMEGA ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
SHE DEBUTED MALES TO SPITE THE AUDIENCE THAT MADE FUN OF HER FOR BEING LAZY AND DRAWING JPGS.

>> No.50554842

>>50554744
I wasn't asking you. I was asking actual Holostars fans who are starting to see that if Tempiss becomes part of Hololive but JP Stars is still just Holostars then it's clear that management (likely Omega and co.) drove that wedge alongside Tempiss talents probably being a dick to him on the side all just culminating ih Shinove's resignation.

>> No.50554907

>>50554657
>>50554723
that's pretty stupid, they've never tried so how would you two know?
>>50554681
EOPs grasping at straws as usual, they believe JP is free of this but they're just as guilty if they truly understood the language and culture

>> No.50554919

>>50554842
>made shit up on the spot
>1 post later he tricked himself into believing it
this board is fucking amusing.

>> No.50554942

They really have no idea on how to handle or what to do with the EN branch, whoever are the ones in charge of it are plain and simply, absolute fucking morons.

>> No.50554967

>>50554919
I didn't make it up. I almost know it was a certainty. Vesper's suspension was just 2 weeks after Shinove's resignation. The fact that Tempiss gets preferential treatment over JP Stars is becoming more and more apparent if Tempiss is considered Hololive but JP Stars is not. And the worst thing is, you probably would be agreeing with me if you actually paid attention to the occurrences and now this.

>> No.50555031

>>50553978
>Tempus is now Hololive EN
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.50555065

>>50554967
i'm sure you're onto something. you just need to keep spamming it until you unironically truly believe it to the point you can convince other anons with 0 hard evidence.

>> No.50555100

>>50554717
>mad
It’s just confusing why two unconnected elements need be involved through a single account. Beyond corporate condensing, they aren’t even in the same denomination.

>> No.50555122
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50555122

>>50553978
how bout that

>> No.50555132

>>50554370
> thinking JP will allow homoshilling on the main JP - EN translation account
actions will tell the story anon
I'm optimistic, I think this is the end of the "holopro" bullshit.

>> No.50555171

>>50555132
based retard

>> No.50555192

>>50554725
No, but he probably did quit due to a combination of nobody ever listening to a fucking word he said despite him being the best manager in the entire company by a large margin and realizing holostarsJP were never gonna have big numbers so all his work was for nothing. Far as I know, he still hangs out with the JP stars because they all became bros but I'm sure he was 100% done with Cover's shit.

>> No.50555215

>>50553978
What is holopro? I never kept up with this

>> No.50555218

>>50555065
I don't really need evidence here bud. I'm just clearly pointing out the glaring lack of respect that Stars JP and its pillar have been getting since Tempiss debuted. Pay attention. Astel, Oga, and Rikka have all made vague statements about Stars management in the past few months. Even Axel said something about infighting amongst management too. I HAVE to believe Shinove left because he couldn't fucking take it anymore. Omega was the worst thing to happen to Cover and it all culminated in Shinove's departure. Shinove, by the way, was a pillar within Cover who helped keep Hololive and Holostars separate but equal. Omega tore down those barriers, disenfranchising the foundation of Holostars in the process.

>> No.50555286

>>50554681
Because homos in japan prefer a stable income to drawing the ire of angry homohaters.

Plus, the homos originally streamed to 11 or so people and now stream to hundreds- or in the case of Roberu/Asteru/Gamma- have a fanbase of about a thousand.

We meme about how they suck but they do 'okay' and since we know hololive gives a better cut of the revenue they're not starving like the bottom tier nijimales.

>> No.50555292

>>50555218
i'd say i don't give a shit but honestly hearing someone this passionate is interesting on its own. maybe you really are onto something, so good luck out there.

>> No.50555313

>>50555192
Thank you. It's blatantly obvious that the Holostars management failed him and by extension failed Gens 1-3 with Tempiss becoming the "star attraction" even though they don't get nearly enough attention from dedicated Stars fans.

>> No.50555320

WE DID IT SISTERZ WE CAN START SHIPPING OUR GUYS WITH THEIR GIRLS IN ONE ACCOUNT

>> No.50555324

>>50554907
https://twitter.com/holostarstv

>> No.50555356

>>50554744
We all know vesper is a sexpest who wanted that a-chan-cock and when shinove told him that he needs to suck his dick first vesper called him a nigger. It's all out there if you look for it.

>> No.50555373

>>50554613
This is what's truly puzzling. JP Stars aren't Hololive but EN Stars are? Some real preferential treatment going on in here and it makes me embrace the equality between HoloJP, HoloID, and HoloEN (pre-merge with HolostarsEN).

>> No.50555431

>>50555373
No matter what Omega believed, the EN homos will never be Holos.

>> No.50555460

>>50553978
Oh, so this is what Kiara meant about "Something sad in June / July, but don't worry it won't be quite noticable for most of you guys"

>> No.50555462

>>50555431
Well the merger happened just a few moments ago.

>> No.50555495
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50555495

>>50555031
Devilish move by Cover

>> No.50555503

>>50554842
Literally what are you talking about?

>> No.50555512

>>50555460
We already know about Gura's graduation.

>> No.50555590

>>50554239
Unikeks so desperate to count anything a W because all their lives, they've been accumulating Ls.

>> No.50555612

>>50555462
It’s a twitter account, not a branch change.

>> No.50555618

>>50555286
You say all of this shit as if it's the homos choice to have most JP girls ignore them. How do you even begin to believe this shit?

>> No.50555621

>>50555503
>>50555031
HoloEN and Tempus merged

>> No.50555639

>>50555324
>140k followers on Twitter
not bad

>> No.50555666

>>50553978
they really want this branch to die huh

>> No.50555715

>>50555324
The funny thing about this account is that you claim Tempus gets preferential treatment but they always have to share an sccount with others while homo Jp gets posted both on the main holo account and their own exclusive account.

>> No.50555767

>>50555621
They didn't. They had two accounts that served identical purpose.

>> No.50555774
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50555774

>>50555618
>as if it's the homos choice
Vtubers collab with who they want to collab why doesn't Kuzuha in Nijisanji step in and collab with all those ex-ID and ex-KR fuckers with 50 CCV if you think a guy with 30,000 CCV has to collab with them because he just has to, you beggar fuck.

>> No.50555795

>>50554088
Anon that was good bait and now the only hololive account for EN will be tweeting for both holoEN and Tempus. They even changed the twitter name to "hololive production (English)" so they are definitely planning to have more unity projects. One day there will be a holoPro EN mixed gen and people will be shocked even though Cover has been heading in that direction for years.

>> No.50555803

>>50555767
So you're telling me I completely misunderstood the whole thing and I was dooming for fucking nothing?

>> No.50555836

>>50555218
>Omega was the worst thing to happen to Cover Pretty sure most will agree with this one.

>> No.50555857

>>50555590
The biggest L of all is being an 18yo zoomer using memes like "L" from 1993 because your generation has no memes of your own besides broccoli hair.

>> No.50555909

>>50554725
Dont use Shin-san for your propaganda lol. Like the rest, you only want Stars gone because your ego is so fragile.

>> No.50555912

>>50553978
When are you unicorns going to learn this is your life now
you aren't they're target audience now, they have made that clear
They want you gone

>> No.50555944

>>50554787
N O.

Not when they have something as good as a gun to their head: Numbers and cash.

>> No.50556011

ohnononONONO
NO NO NO
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO KEEP HOLOLIVE AND HOLOSTARS SEPARATE
NOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.50556032

>>50555909
The contrary. Shinove was a pillar in Cover and he was a very good leader for Holostars. He left because the well was poisoned for him and many of the JP Stars have felt it you just don't pay close enough attention.

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50556051

>>50553978
The main HoloEN account aleady posts Holostars EN content, so I don't see what would be different. They're just closing a redundant account that tweets the same thing.

>> No.50556067

>>50554088
I won't even say you have 2 braincells, it seems you have the 1 bumping against your skull

>> No.50556074

>>50555803
The holoproen twitter account spammed homo fan art nonstop some days. It was annoying as fuck which is why I stopped following it.

>> No.50556075

So is this a merger or not? Shut this thread up and give us an answer. We REALLY need 30 more catalog threads over a misunderstanding do we?

>> No.50556117

>>50556074
I don't even follow that shit I just want to know if it's a merger or not so this whole board gets the answer and shuts the fuck up before making another 50 more catalog threads on this matter.

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50556129

>>50553978
It's over...

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50556135

>>50554088
You might want to re-read it EN3beggar

>> No.50556179

>>50555774
Now how does this prove that the only reason JP girls aren't collabing with the homos en masse is solely because of the JP homos own choice?
>you beggar fuck
Where the fuck am I begging, schizo? When did I say I want homo collabs?

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50556205

>>50553978
>cover said that they will posting on hololive english and holostars english
>homobeggars tried to spin this by saying that cover will shill tempus on hololive english
Pathetic cope.

>> No.50556215

>>50555621
When men and women merge it's called sex! Management just raped my oshi with tempiss cocks

>> No.50556219

>>50555803
Yes you are just a schizo.

>> No.50556255

>>50556205
Worse, they seem to be implying that HoloEN and Tempus have merged even though there's doubt that's casted over that assumption.

>> No.50556266

The only difference between the accounts is that holoproEN didn't post JP.

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50556307

>>50554088
Based ESL.

>> No.50556308

>>50556075
Yes, and my inner-rrat tells me they are doing it to have more security in lieu of recent hacks to twitter accounts

>> No.50556314

>>50556255
That has not been implied anywhere.

>> No.50556346

>>50556255
By this point, cover know that hololive andd holostars have different viewers.
That's why they close the stupid holopro account.

>> No.50556406

>>50556314
What are these then?
>>50554125
>>50554139
>>50554384
>>50555031
>>50555912
>>50556011
>>50556129

>> No.50556432

>>50556179
>choice
Beggars like you are cancer because you have this weird idea that they'd all like to collab if not for those dastardly fans. In reality there is no reason Ironmouse is going to collab with -random titty vtuber-, there is no reason Mito will saviorfag for some dying nijiKR channel and no reason why Pekora wants to shill Temma.

And more importantly the holostars range from 300 to 3000 CCV from lowest to highest so there is no reason to shill them, their channels aren't dying and they aren't owed anything by the girls. They exist in a state of equilibrium, with their own friends and shit. Fubuki, Matsuri and that other whore hang out with them because they're friends, not because Fubuki owes Oga for saving her life.

You are a genuinely weird fucking person with an entitlement-by-proxy complex for thinking that holostars is owed Miko coming and trying to 'fix' them.

>> No.50556456

>>50554088
This is your typical Holofag, 0 reading comprehension, 0 English proficiency, 0 chance of leaving SEA in their lifetime

>> No.50556463

>>50556406
Schizophrenia.

>> No.50556466

>>50556346
I'm confused.

>> No.50556481

>>50556205
>>50556255
EN3 will be a mixed generation called Tempus: Cuckposting.

>> No.50556490

>>50556032
So, another case of gaijin trumping glorious nippon and getting bitter about it? Was that it?

>> No.50556505
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50556505

ITT: sperging over a Twitter account

>> No.50556507

the merge is complete! enjoy more Tempus shill on actual HololiveEN account, bwhahahahaaha

>> No.50556520

>>50556432
>no reason Mito will saviorfag for some dying nijiKR channel and no reason why Pekora wants to shill Temma.
>holostars is owed Miko coming and trying to 'fix' them.
Can you stop giving them ideas?

>> No.50556543

>>50556432
Where am I asking for homo collabs, schizo?
I'm saying choice because you posted this garbage.
>Because homos in japan prefer a stable income to drawing the ire of angry homohaters.
You are litetally saying that they CHOOSE to not collab with JP girls.

>> No.50556557

I mean... I get why they merged the two accounts since they were essentially the same and were posting/retweeting the same things, but it is quite telling that maintaining 2 different accounts was too much work for the EN managers.

>> No.50556566

>>50556507
Read the tweet, homobeggar.
They will post on holostars english account.

>> No.50556585

>>50556490
>Omega is LE BASED because we must use our Oppositional Defiant Disorder Reddit taught us to hate Japan and that's what's so in these days!
Go back

>> No.50556602

>Neo-Porte/VSPO/Nijisanji+EN
>all of the clips that are popular are all cringe shipping between the boys and girls
>the EOP clips amplify this even further
>there's maybe 5% cute girls interacting with other cute girls
I don't want Holos to develop this stupid shipping culture. EN already has that garbage in the form of whoretubers on Twitch. There's plenty of places for that content if you want it.
Why can't Holos have their idolshit? It's what they advertised, and it's what I came for.

>> No.50556607

>>50556505
A twitter account none of them followed to begin with no less.

>> No.50556629

>>50555218
this is just schizo rambling at this point

>> No.50556641

>>50555857
10 years older than 18 boi.

Try again.

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50556642

>>50553978
it's over

>> No.50556664

>>50556629
Can't be schizo rambling because if this all unfolded at once and led to this moment, there's no other explanation to be extrapolated.

>> No.50556676

>>50556602
You say this as if gay ships aren't brought around often.

>> No.50556710

>>50556215
Deranged.

>> No.50556729

>>50556664
yeah dude i think you're just going off the rails... consider taking a break from 4chan

>> No.50556784

>>50555218
>I'm just clearly pointing out the glaring lack of respect that Stars JP and its pillar have been getting since Tempiss debuted.
You weren't here when they were Holostars was a thing in JP. They were already disrespected and treated like garbage before Tempus. Your newfaggotry reeks and your falseflagging skills are poor. Go back.

>> No.50556814

>>50556215
I could see Altare taking Gura's first time on stream, and then having Kobo as a side piece

>> No.50556850

>>50556729
Do you watch Holostars JP? Do you mis Shin-san? If you were a long suffering fan of them like me, you'd know something was up and one thing leading to another got us to this moment. I don't know I just think all of the infighting was Shin-san and his old guard being pushed out by the very people that this board feared would infiltrate Cover. And it all started with Omega and his crew.

>> No.50556851

>>50556585
Just saying...if that happened to Myth, it may happen to Tempus. Both gaijin, both first of their kind in the company.

>> No.50556858

>>50554089
it's the same person that's been running Gura's twitter

>> No.50556895

>>50556850
i don't watch them but it's clear you're fucking mindbroken. Jesus dude...

>> No.50556911

>>50556676
But they're fine with it because....


NO LE HECKIN MALES!

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50556930

>>50553978

>> No.50556952

>>50556406
I am one of those and just joking

>> No.50556959

>>50556784
I always respected Holostars pre-Tempiss. They were separate to Hololive but equal. And that was the way it went until Omega poisoned the well inciting a complete overhaul culiminating in Shinove's likely departure; the last straw being Vesper likely treating him like shit, eventually getting to his susension.

Only know what I see, pal.

>> No.50556966

>>50555715
maximum leach efficiency for en

>> No.50556985

>>50556959
>They were separate to Hololive but equal
LOL, LMAO Even

>> No.50557011

>>50556850
>The falseflag king

>> No.50557016

>>50553978
>BEEEG
omg bros Sana is coming back?!?
LFG!

>> No.50557065

>>50556985
Somehow, yes, they are. Merch, lives, their own shorts, you name it. They're not being denied shit.

>> No.50557073

>>50556505
sperg about people sperging

>> No.50557094

>>50556959

You only respect them because any chance of getting near your oshi has been neutralized by your idols, the jp schizos. Now that Tempura is here and being an active threat to your ego...here you are.

>> No.50557108

>>50557011
I don't think I'm falseflagging bud, I think I'm seeing a lot of bad apples take over a core part of Cover against everyone's will.

>> No.50557173

>>50556985
What did Hololive receive that the homos didnt? Explain yourself. Cover is very generous to the stars.

>> No.50557181

>>50556602
>It's what they advertised
Idols have 2 feet and a heartbeat
vtubers can't be idols

>> No.50557188

>>50556959
>I always respected Holostars
No you didn't. You never did and you never will. In fact. You don't even know a thing about Holostars before Tempus. You'd know they weren't equal in the slightest. Sidelined and ignored for years with only their nepo hires giving a handout to them. They've been lax and on their own for four years. The only ones taking initiative to get out of their 2view and 3view hell are Roberu and Astel. Gamma is already inclining to 4view status. You just have a hate boner for EN males. If you knew JP you'd hate them just as hard.

>> No.50557194

>>50557094
Or probably because they just don't think about collabing with the girls 24/7 unlike your cumbrained mindbroken "unicorn" self believes? Probably because they'd feel the same way if they were in the "jp schizos'" shoes.

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The only ones crying about this are people here on /vt/ that post on 4chan and containment breaking on twitter.

>> No.50557224
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>cover goes public
>has to pander to homos for to appease investors
>EN3's hype will increase the stock price further
>all that money will be spent on more homos
I really hope you like cheering on cover's stock price for another year and a half, this is what you reap.

>> No.50557240

>>50557188
Maybe in 2020, but 2021-onwards they've been getting better recognition and more opportunities to thrive.

>> No.50557243

>>50553978
Wait, but hololive_En was always for translating the Japanese account tweets, and the EN branch is just taking it over? Are they still going to translate tweets too?

>> No.50557257

>>50557224
t. Riku’s Defense Force

>> No.50557282

>>50557108
Oh yeah sure. You should know that Shinove isn't under Tempus by any margin. They have their own head manager so your schizo rambling tries to capitalize on it. If you're such a Holostars fan then post membership.

>> No.50557314

>>50556966
That doesn't make any sense.

>> No.50557317

>>50557243
Maybe or the JP accounts are probably just going to post english translations on their tweets.

>> No.50557325

>>50554088
ABSOLUTE RETARD
This means holostars EN are actually hololive EN now. It's been rumored to be that way for EN for so long. The faggot Omega won.

>> No.50557340

>>50557240
>They've been getting better
They've been the same since 2019 newfag. You got fucking outed.

>> No.50557350

>>50557282
Shinove was replaced by said head manager. He still likely left because he felt like he wasn't being respected by the new people on Holostars staff enough. But of course no one will know the real reason why, this is just common sense coming into play.

>> No.50557393

>>50557340
Refute my claim instead of calling me a newfag, pal.

>> No.50557412

>>50553978
The Hololive EN twitter account was awful enough already because they don't properly announce anything with it. I had no idea that Sora and Aki had 3D lives a few days ago. All they do is quote retweet stuff and translate it without any context.
Now anything important will get drowned out by Tempus faggots too. Fuck Hololive for being so incompetent.

>> No.50557443

>>50557257
Poorfags like you can't even profit from this so you default to your backwards console wars shittery.

>> No.50557501

>>50557412
Nigga I got notifications for Sora's and Aki's lives a day in advance. Maybe push notifications from that account so you don't miss them in the future?

>> No.50557514

>>50557443
>projection

>> No.50557516

>>50557325
They're literally calling themselves "hololive production (English)." Literally. Actually their name.

>> No.50557525

>>50557393
Most of them have not left their safe space once and are stuck in 2view to 3view hell. Emulating the same content in their gaming streams and releasing covers that will never be noticed. The only exceptions to these are Roberu and Astel, who by the way became breakout stars in late 2020 and 2021 with a change in their streaming habits when showcasing their content.

>> No.50557537

>>50557218
yeah and we're like 50% of western vtuber fanbase

>> No.50557564

>>50557350
EN and JP have different management retard. Oga said even staff didn't know they were gonna debut and that they're not in charge of EN. Get off the juice and stop smoking.

>> No.50557565

>>50557537
I give this board at most 500 unique users.

>> No.50557575

>>50556676
Gay ships are unproblematic because they're equivalent to bros doing homo banter. It's just shooting the shit. No one takes it seriously. The moment mixed gender shipping happens, it always goes to the shitter.
Look at 8bitdrummer and Fubuki back in the day. The dude got so many requests from Hololive fans that he had to stop accepting Hololive covers or song requests for several months, and he had to make a statement on stream about certain chat comments so that the shipping autists would stop constantly bringing up her or any other holos in his chat.
It's not just vtuber shit either. This mixed gender shipping creates mega toxic environments for flesh streamer circles on Twitch. OfflineTV, OTK, and GTARP streamers have all went through this shipping garbage already, and they're not even close to idol culture.
The only people who want this unity crap is to see Hololive turn into Nijisanji.

>> No.50557588

>>50557525
Fair assessment, but you can't deny that the opportunities and benefits have sprung up since the tail end of 2020 and much of 2021. Probably because people like you and I took umbrage to the lack of those in the past.

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>>50557537
>people here genuinely believe this

>> No.50557638

ITT...
>Seething
>Unable to read
>News that doesnt even affect them because they dont even use Twitter

>> No.50557677

>>50557537
>50%
There's only 400 IPs and that's the maximum. You're barely 1%

>> No.50557687

>>50557565
Way higher than that
>>50557564
Further adds to my suspicions of EN sects of management trying to conquer all of Holostars and by proxy Hololive itself.

>> No.50557700

>>50557638
but we gotta shitpost anon, and the only news recently that has been going around is non-hololive drama.

>> No.50557725

>>50557565
isn't this one of the fastest boards on 4chan? And 4chan has like 60 million users?

>> No.50557728

>>50557638
you could say some don't even stream all that much

:D

>> No.50557779

>>50553978
Nothing will actually change, hololive_en has already been promoting the homos and retweeting hololivepro_en's tweets before this.

>> No.50557783

>>50557677
I'd say /vt/ is at least a quarter of the broader Hololive fanbase itself.

>> No.50557839

>>50557725
22 million and no 60k posts per minute does not disclose the amount of samefaggotry and bait threads people discount on the daily.

>> No.50557882

>>50553978
>hololive lowercase, HOLOSTARS uppercase

>> No.50557904

>>50557783
I'd wager less than a quarter but fair.

>> No.50557932

>>50557783
Just stop. You do realize theres like 1 million+ active fans of Hololive right? Are you REALLY trying to say theres at least 250,000 retards /here/?
Meds, go get em.

>> No.50557944

>>50557687
>Further adds to my suspicions of EN sects of management trying to conquer all of Holostars and by proxy Hololive itself
Yeah you unironically need help. Life isn't a cinematic movie no one's actually doing this.

>> No.50557973

>>50557932
4chan has millions of people too.
>>50557944
Where do you think we are?

>> No.50557993

>>50557932
4-6 million by my estimate and that's provided none of those are actually dead subs. Only a thousand at most and a hundred at least post /here/ because other boards are way better than this shithole.

>> No.50557997

>>50557882
Based cock won.

>> No.50558031

>>50556543
People like you are pathetic because of how twofaced you are
>complains there's some force preventing the girls from seeking out homo collabs
>doesn't realize it's because fans and the girls don't want it
>backtracks and screams twitter memes like 'schizo'
Just kys, go back, retarded newfaggot homobeggar.

>> No.50558059

>>50554088
retard

>> No.50558074

>>50556641
Being almost 30 and talking like a zoomer who just discovered internet memes is even worse.

>> No.50558110

>>50556911
Yes unironically, now fuck off to Neo-Porte or Vshojo or whatever you fucking leech.

>> No.50558133

>>50553978
One more step closer to MIXED GEN

>> No.50558161

>>50557993
Yeah, I purposefully didnt use sub numbers because theres likely ALOT of dead subs between all the members. I think 1 million is likely a safe bet, but its probably more.
Either way, 4chan is like, 1% of the fanbase, and even that number is likely being VERY generous.
We are nothing compared to the overall fanbase.

>> No.50558437

After all these years Cover still treating EN no better than their homos, no wonder the hype is dead. Japanese still doesn't learn anything from the music industry, funny they just keep repeating the same mistakes over the years.

>> No.50558468

>>50557993
>other boards are way better than this shithole
Unironically skill issues on your side. ENsharts have it tough nowadays huh?

>> No.50558588

>>50558468
I don't even peruse this board much and I only came to see if there's anything new ever since the fucking dox incident that closed this site for hours. So yes. Other boards are better.

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>>50557181
https://files.catbox.moe/rhvrz0.ogg
You were saying?

>> No.50558647

>>50558468
>ENsharts have it tough nowadays huh?
More like have it easy when they're the resounding majority here.

>> No.50558693

Will the girls survive with now existing virtual cocks in their twitter and upcoming more males in mixed EN3?

>> No.50558718

>>50554361
Gender Segregation is not acceptable here the way that it is in Asia

It should be, but it isn't

>> No.50558778

>>50558643
nom nom nom

>> No.50558816

>>50558718
Sports had it down pat but that's been changing recently

>> No.50558837

>>50558718
Strange, because it’s not as though it doesn’t occur academically and athletically.

>> No.50558912

>>50554823
That hololive is employing men, who are problematic and toxic

>> No.50559037

>>50553978
Don't know why yall anons are crying
isn't this just treating the women like you say they should be treated, just a support character for men?

>> No.50559097

>>50559037
>y'all
get out

>> No.50559196 [DELETED] 

>>50559037
>yall
Also, what the fuck are you even talking about? No one gives a shit about homos. The majority of people who follow the hololive EN account doesn't want to see these faggots. The majority of people who watch the girls don't watch holostars.

>> No.50559313

>>50557194

>Unicorn

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Couldnt be farther from the truth bud! In fact, I possess the three things vt hates: coed collab advocate, deadbeat and SEA.

>> No.50559316

>>50559037
>yall
Go back

>> No.50559323

the mixed gen announcement is coming
can you feel it holobronies? because i can

>> No.50559335

>>50559196
funny how it changes from women are trash and should be seen and not heard to nooo you cant put the superior gender in front

>> No.50559441

>>50557575
Why, I can even bet that Hololive can be Nijisanji better than Niji themselves! And I say this at the risk of being called bootlicker.

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>>50554797

>> No.50559532

>>50558031
"Don't want it" conveniently enough to cater to you mfs. Yeah, bullshit.

>> No.50559548

>>50559335
Are you retarded?

>> No.50559576

>>50558110
I dont do Neo nor VShojo you fuck. I do Holo most of the time.

>> No.50559621

>>50559313
OK Copey. Go back to /hoc/. Hope the Cats own the Reddit Knights btw

>> No.50559712

>>50553978
I like that they capitalize the holostar word

>> No.50559744

>>50554088
Fucking READ nigga

>> No.50559838

>>50557525
>2view
JP Stars haven’t been 2view for over a year, dumbfuck

>> No.50559843

>>50554088
Typical unicorn, cannot read at all, interprets anything as a victory, even a complete loss.
Holay.

>> No.50559846 [DELETED] 

>>50559335
Hey landwhale, it wasn't ever women should be seen and not heard. It was whores should fuck off. Men don't hate women. Men hate lying whores. If you weren't such an unpleasant, fickle, selfish bitch with a giant bodycount, then men would like you too.

>> No.50559877

>>50556205
>>50556566
You need to learn English and then reread the Tweet. It says very clearly "there". Meaning they will be posting about both branches on the Hololive EN account specifically.

>> No.50559994 [DELETED] 

If gura graduates, then that will prove that the rrats are true and she would rather just be with him than stream for her fans while trying to pretend that everyone doesn't know she's lying. She has everyone's money and she'll never have to work again, so if she secretly hated us this entire time, then she'll graduate as soon as she thinks she's financially stable enough to support the two of them and possibly a family.

>> No.50559995 [DELETED] 

>>50557218
Reddit is mostly upset too

>> No.50560022

>>50558031
>complains there's some force preventing the girls from seeking out homo collabs
When did this happen? I never did that.
>doesn't realize it's because fans and the girls don't want it
That's literally what I have been imolyong from the start. The point is that holo EN girls WANT homo collabs and so they had them. There id no shadowy manegement lusing them together and this twitter account shit doesn't mean or change anything.
YOU said
>Because homos in japan prefer a stable income to drawing the ire of angry homohaters.
You are the schizo and the homobeggar.

>> No.50560137

>>50554278
>>50554361
Wait, do you actually believe that there is a JP girls only twitter account?

>> No.50560174

>>50553978
Holobronies...

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>>50553978
>hololive English
>HOLOSTARS English
What did they mean by this?

>> No.50560425

>>50553978
TOTAL NIJISANJIFICATION

>> No.50560472

As a fan oh Hololive and all it’s female branches. I wish for the fall of Hololive. I hope especially the EN branch to fucking die already. Burn this shit to the ground now before I have to see mixed gen bullshit

>> No.50560526

>>50560472
>>>>as a fan
>mixed gen
It won’t happen.

>> No.50560545

>>50559995
Proofs?

>> No.50560557

>>50560422
I'm pretty sure Holostars was always capitalized.

>> No.50560612

>>50553978
>using the catchphrase of the faggot that quit the job cause she hated it
What did he mean by this

>> No.50560622

>>50560545
You can go there and see. It's easy to find since it's pinned.

>> No.50560710

>>50560622
>check thread
>mostly people complaining/hoping that the account won't RT fanart and instead focus on news like they're supposed to
>the only other complaint is that they don't want JP news all over the EN twitter

>> No.50560770

>>50558647
Strange how many ESL posts I see, then.

>> No.50560838

>>50560710
Those are the only real differences between those accounts after all.

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So....what're you guys gonna burn down when the next gen turns out to be co-ed?

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Hopepill: the main branch is reining in EN management's autonomy and will have more oversight over EN's activity, and taking away their own special account to retweet homo fanart on is part of that process
Letting them play a literal penis game might have been the final straw

>> No.50560978

>>50560893
I'll non-stop post Gura cunny for the next several months in every place that I can until they disband EN if that happens.

>> No.50561017

>>50560893
It will never be co-ed.

>> No.50561065

>>50556911
I came here for cute girls if you bring males in I will fucking leave
And I will bitch and cry on my way out

>> No.50561164

>>50561017
>They will never make mixed gender auditions
>They will never make StarsEN
>They will never have the girls acknowledge StarsEN
>They will never have the girls collab with StarsEN
>They will never merge the Twitter accounts
You are now Here
>They will never have a co-ed wave
>They will never merge Hololive EN and Holostars EN as a single branch

>> No.50561219

>>50561164
mixed wave wont happen before they merge and the merge will absolutely never happen

>> No.50561265

>>50560893
It doesn't work thanks to the Tempus branding.

>> No.50561314

>>50560933
I would maybe took that pill if not the fact they took that ugly banner from holopro account

>> No.50561315 [DELETED] 

>>50561164
The auditions were mixed-gender all the way back in 2020

>> No.50561316

>>50561065

And you...

Have just proven my point. Remember: sisterposting=concession.

>> No.50561347

>>50561316
kill yourself r*ddt

>> No.50561358

Man I don’t even care about this fucking “culture war” anymore
I will watch who I like
I will ignore who I don’t like
If I happen to see something with someone I don’t like, I will simply move on immediately
If there’s slightly less of the content I do like and more that I don’t like, oh fucking well, it’s not like there’s literally fucking nothing else I can watch
I’m just gonna fuckin relax

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Shoutouts to the two guys in the replies complaining about homostars being forced into the HololiveEN account
Gotta keep it real even when twitter troons and homobeggars seething at you is the only thing you can expect in return

>> No.50561419

>>50561358
You will NOT ignore who you don't like
You will watch the homos
The homos will be pushed into every channel you like
They will be promoted at every event you watch
They will never go away and you will never know peace

>> No.50561442

>>50561358
>give 10 stars or be quiet you weirdo
You pigs have been groomed into perfect little consumers holy fuck

>> No.50561607

There's no point having two different accounts in the first place even if you hate Holosta.

>> No.50561639

>>50553978
BASED. UNIKEKS WE WON

>> No.50561700

>>50558837
>doesn’t occur academically and athletically.
>athletically
Who gonna tell this guy.

>> No.50561756

>>50561164
>They will never merge the Twitter accounts
It convenient that you just put it now, not last year.

>> No.50561765

>>50561358
>I will ignore who I don’t like
>If I happen to see something with someone I don’t like, I will simply move on immediately
Same. There is no point in even criticizing anything anymore, because they will do it anyway and simply twist everything "negative" into the person saying it being this or that bad thing and therefor their opinion automatically doesn't matter, even if they are part of the original audience who supported the thing the whole time and helped make it popular in the first place. At least I get some quiet satisfaction out of seeing those things often crash and burn after a while, because a lot of people seem to have adopted this "this isn't for me anymore? oh well" mindset, while the people they change shit for never actually support anything other than with their mouths.

>> No.50561766

>>50561419
Here’s the thing
Even if I don’t like some chuubas, there’s not a single chuuba I hate
It’s really just a fuckin waste of all kinds of mental effort to hate a chuuba
So, even if I happen to see something has a chuuba I don’t like, it’s not like I’m gonna get fucking angry or anything
The chuuba exists and I just don’t watch them
That’s all it has to be

>> No.50561771

>>50558718
The homos get 500 viewers on their streams, and like 10,000 when they're collabing with the girls.

99% of the people who support the homos are just doing it for political reasons. They just want to "le own da incels", and they're ruining our hobby. Now the only way to watch a decent vtuber is to spend a year learning Japanese.

>> No.50561784

>>50561442
Calm down cuck, don't you have whore you have to watch like indie and niji offcollab.

>> No.50561821

>>50559037
Kill yourself, reddit nigger. You're as retarded as you are stupid, go ruin someone else's hobby.

>> No.50561911

So... 'EN3' will be a mixed gen, huh?

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>>50554088
Not even a fucking thumbnail reader. Incredible

>> No.50561986

>>50561911
Yup Omega won
It's fucking over

>> No.50562091

>>50561164
>They will never merge the Twitter accounts
This hasn't happened.

>> No.50562286

It's getting sad. It's like someone desperately trying to trick you into eating something you don't like by putting it into your food in different ways over and over again, even though you said you don't like it and it's very obvious that not a lot of people want it at all.

>> No.50562335

>>50562091
@hololive_EN is now a """hololive production English""" account which is the merged branch of Hololive and Holostars

>> No.50562453

>>50561766
but anon, that's not how /v/t works

>> No.50562677

>>50562335
@hololive_EN was a mixed holopro account already. Where's the merge?

>> No.50562805
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50562805

>>50562677
>Where's the merge?
pic related
EN management has made it obvious that they want HoloEN and StarsEN to be one branch from the start
They've been pushing for it against the wishes of JP management and they're moving closer to it step by step

>> No.50562859

>>50560893
>ok so nijisanji is literally fucking dying, not even their full male gens are getting viewers anymore. let's finally go to what we do best and release another all-female ge-
>time to release a mixed gen
>sir, did you hear me? niji is dying. we don't need to copy them anymo--
>RELEASE THE MIXED GEN WE NEED TO COPY NIJI TO BEAT NIJI

>> No.50562882

Just unfollow the holo_EN twitter

>> No.50563001

>>50553978
What a coincidence that this happened during pride month

>> No.50563139

>>50562805
They have been tweeting about homos from the start
https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Ahololive_EN%20holostars&src=typed_query&f=live
The main hololivetv account has this in the bio
>VTuberグループ「ホロライブ」「ホロスターズ」を運営する「ホロライブプロダクション」の公式アカウント。
@hololive_En was just a translated version of that account.
So, where's the merge? If you call it a merge then by that logic JP is already fully merged with homo JP.

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>itt

>> No.50563251

>>50553978
>multiple fucking massive threads about a company consolidating two of their redundant twitter accounts
God and you faggots wonder why people shit on this place

>> No.50563318

>>50560893
I'd fucking love that. Fuck the pandering to retards who cant stand the sound of a male voice in their stream of some anthromophic god or something playing a children's game

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lol

>> No.50564359

>>50563789
literally who

>> No.50564520

>>50561347
Concession accepted. Heh.

>> No.50564522

>>50563240
Only proves EN management are lazy fucks.

>> No.50564541

>>50561378
Heh, you're proud being the ones defecating all over the place like that one stickman meme? Kek

>> No.50564544

>>50564359
Part of cover staff

>> No.50564556

>>50554088
READ
NIGGA
READ

>> No.50564677

>>50564520
People dont want to eat steak at the cake shop?
Major gotcha moment sister

>> No.50564700

>>50564677
L+sisterposting+food analogy+improve yourself

>> No.50564764

>>50555621
Homobeggars won unicorns btfo again.

>> No.50564785

>>50564700
>+food analogy
Its cute that you retards have started to become upset because people keep having to use elementary level examples for you to understand basic concepts

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The merging was fortold on their new guidelines. EN3 will be a mixed gen.

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>>50564359
Tranny chan who is the main responsible for all the homoshilling being accepted on the subreddit, even though they have their own subreddit.

>> No.50564821

whats holopro

>> No.50564960

maybe this is a good thing. maybe its a sign that en is about to axe tempus altogether. didn't kiara mention something sad happening in the next couple of months that no one would really notice? maybe the experiment is over. could be a good thing after all.

>> No.50565063

>>50564807
the signs get more and more obvious
I wanted to deny them early on but I can't anymore

>> No.50565123

>>50554088
Holy mother of ESL. LMAO!

>> No.50565129

>>50564960
>didn't kiara mention something sad happening in the next couple of months that no one would really notice
That was about her outfit, ME ME ME as always

>> No.50565222

>>50564960
In your unicorn dreams maybe.

>> No.50565945

What are we doing then ? I don't want to get cucked.

>> No.50565992

>>50565945
We can cope and seethe on /vt/ and maybe twitter

>> No.50566311

>>50564807
>do whatever you want in your own bedroom
I watch cgdct
>ew not that

>> No.50566448

I don’t know if it’s gaslighting or threadreaders that don’t actually know anything but you’re all wrong.

>They didn’t make a new a Twitter the “holoproen” was there official Twitter they’ve just killed it because of the homo spam
>The hololive en Twitter is literally where they translate hololive news into English because the main Twitter post about the en girls (more than their actual Twitter) There could be 0 changes and it’ll still be translated from the main hololivetv news twitter or they’re starting over to make it closer to hololivetv for en.
>People claiming homo jp gets special treatment are 100% correct I don’t know why people believed it was a tempus only thing the only difference is Hololivetv is 90% the girls and rarely homos unlike what they did with holoproen. And, other than 3D spots, there’s no proof jp girls lose anything for homos so they’re most ignored. It’s not like En being unable to get a shirt ready for Ina but can 8 different underwear made for April fools shitpost merch in that same timeframe

>> No.50566774

Unless Kiara knows something we don't this isn't a big deal.

>> No.50568271

>>50566774
Doesn't Kiara have a history of "vague-posting" and it amounting to nothing?
Like when she said something really bad was happening in months from when she said it or something like that? I can't remember exactly anymore but I'm sure someone knows

>> No.50568337

>>50566448
Wow, learn to type.

>> No.50568514

>>50568271
there's so much weird bad shit happening she could have meant anything
goomba, councilRys 3D dripfeeding, continued lack of third gen, holoPRO [...]

>> No.50568540

>>50553978
Its not over yet....

>> No.50568552

>>50554088
based
unicorns should get the rope

>> No.50568659

>>50568271
>Like when she said something really bad was happening in months from when she said it
She said something bad happened and we'll see what it is at some point during the summer.

>> No.50569387

>>50553978
>shit guys holopro twitter was a flop! what should we do?!
>let's force homos into hololive_EN twitter instead! that way there's no way for anyone to escape homos!
God I fucking hate the retards in EN management. When are they going to learn that no matter how much they try to force homos down people's throats they aren't magically going to start watching them? It'll just make them even more averse.

>> No.50569511

>>50564960
>maybe its a sign that en is about to axe tempus altogether
>thinking yagoo would ever axe his pet project
>when they even hid their pathetic numbers from investors so they wouldn't be told to axe them

>> No.50569667

>>50568514
Yeah exactly, who knows what that could've meant?
>>50568659
Right, thanks

>> No.50570342
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>>50555618
Because they desperately want the Omega era to continue even though it's bad business and un-japanese. The only in homos ever had was the west and we're not supporting them enough for it to be financially viable. It enrages social justice warriors how small they are and that the movement's growth has stagnated generally, they fail to realize this was by design and that they're having their tears in rain moment. Would the wealthy actually let their designed weapon rage out of control and change shit for real? No, certainly not on purpose. So we're seeing them come up against their own limitations here, there isn't enough of them to get work done in a niche interest. Does it matter if the straight white males here get psychically attacked? Only to the rank and file doing that attacking, the actual funding tier isn't convinced this is important, even after being wrong about anime generally which must be enraging to deal with. But the numbers mostly bear out the wealthy man's argument there: vtubing is too niche to draw investment, including from the Soros crowd. Tanigo has more money in it than their own masters will shell out and they're not able to get the wedge in all the way for lack of support.

Trannies have failed to cross their rubicon and won't be attracting further investors to this campaign because they don't understand how their masters interests differ from their own. Nobody cares if you get the frisbee off of your roof or not because you are a 9 year old.

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