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Their value has fallen by more than 8.7% since last month, and 56% in just half a year. Investors have a long list of reasons to back away from these stocks right now, emphasizing the management's lack of ability to combat bad publicity.

>【日経QUICKニュース(NQN)】エニーカラー(5032)が大幅に反落している。前日比480円(8.3%)安の5330円まで下落した。9日夜の市場外取引で同日終値より5%安い5520円で計108万8000株の大口の取引が成立した。発行済み株式数の3.5%に相当し、金額では約60億円。市場では大株主がブロックトレード(市場外の相対取引)で保有株を売却したとの観測が出ており、需給悪化を警戒する売りが膨らんでいる。
https://moneyworld.jp/news/05_00098957_news

>> No.49553628

>>49553586
>emphasizing the management's lack of ability to combat bad publicity.
You don't say?

>> No.49553649

>>49553586
BANKRUPT ANYCOLOR
LIQUIDATE ANYCOLOR
ROUNDHOUSE KICK ANYCOLOR INTO A HOSTILE TAKEOVER
FIRE SALE ANYCOLOR STOCK
IMPOVERISH ANYCOLOR SHAREHOLDERS
JUDO THROW ANYCOLOR'S PENSION FUND INTO THE WOODCHIPPER
CLASS ACTION ANYCOLOR
ANTITRUST ANYCOLOR
AUCTION ANYCOLOR'S OFFICE FURNITURE TO PAY FOR DAMAGES
REWRITE CORPORATE LAW IN THE WAKE OF ANYCOLOR'S DEMISE

>> No.49553671

Legitimately, who cares

>> No.49553691

>>49553586
Buy the dip
Do it

>> No.49553703

>>49553586
it was overvalued to begin with

>> No.49553765

>>49553671
People who watch vtubers belonging to this company cares, anon.

>> No.49553867

I'm guessing that their next financial report is going to be a disaster for their stock price. Investors were counting on EN to continue growing, and anyone can see that not only have they not grown in recent months, they've declined significantly.

>> No.49554011

>>49553867
What if they have to fold EN into the main branch and fire Paul Li & the 2 week manager?

>> No.49554223

>>49554011
Folding EN into the main branch sounds like an inevitability at this point, they really can't keep letting the branch run around pants on it's head doing controversy after controversy and the talents shittalking the company because they're immature manchildren who don't realize this is a job

>> No.49554382

>>49554223
Do you think it'd make things better for the livers? or just for Anycolor

>> No.49554391

>>49553586
As someone who doesn't do Stocks can someone explain to me what it means to have your Stocks Down?

>> No.49554464

>>49553586
Article
>There are speculations in the market that major shareholders have sold their holdings in block trades (off-market transactions) , and there is growing concern about a deterioration in supply and demand.
OP
>emphasizing the management's lack of ability to combat bad publicity

>> No.49554472

>>49554391
Less faith from the outside world & investors in the company, so price goes down.

It's like if you owned a castle, but people think you & your army are pussies. Easier to get invaded and dismissed by other nations, too.

>> No.49554514

>>49553765
Especialy nijiniggers, since they don't watch Vtuber, they watch the company, like it have been proved again and again.

>> No.49554525

>>49554223
If that happens it will realy be the end of Nijisanji as it signifies there will no longer be a Talent audition and the coming years will be a ticking timebomb to the talents slow departure lol

>> No.49554698

>>49554472
I understand the second part but however the first part still confuses me, does outside world not having faith in them mean they don't get money from them meaning they don't less Income? Or Am I wrong?

>> No.49554752

>>49553765
buy 100 merchs! then all the 2% add up to 100% to the livers!

>> No.49555042

>>49554698
I think investors and others are selling their Anycolor stocks, so the stocks are going down because they're losing faith in Anycolor's money making ability & stability.

>> No.49555176

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

>> No.49555394

>>49554382
Unless the EN management is KR levels of bad, favoring a Chae Ara equivalent vtuber and doing worse shit behind the scenes that we still don't know about, then the talents probably wouldn't benefit much from such a move. I think it'll just make things easier for Anycolor since some of their dumber/more malicious talents will be kept on a leash.

>> No.49555546

>>49554698
even if the stock price dropped 90% they would still make payroll because they still have income coming in. stocks are mostly a speculation thing for people to make money if the company grows. if it doesn't grow for too long, or declines a lot, the board of directors (which is mostly composed of shareholder representatives) may take action against the executives. note: actual growth or decline maybe be entirely divorced from the share price, its all about perception.

>> No.49555597

>>49555042
Thanks for answering, Last question tho what does it mean if Investors Sell Thier Stock or leaves? Like what does literaly happen?

>> No.49555724

>>49555546
So if I get this right, If the Stock went down further it can mean Major restructuring of Anycolor which can lead into Riku being fired?

But it can also mean EN branch may be desolve just cuz Shareholders don't like them is that correct?

>> No.49555763
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49555763

>>49553586
outside of an increase in projected profits and 'acceleration', do they have anything to look forward to? hololive is going for that tech unicorn money with their metaverse and twitter clone, but what does niji have going for them?

>> No.49555786
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49555786

will the streams ever cross? That's what I wanna know

>> No.49555934

>>49553586
>Anycolour stocks value 5.400 JPY
>Cover stocks value 1.794 JPY
LMAO, no wonder you faggots only make threads about anycolour stocks value, and never cover.

>> No.49555935

>>49555597
Stocks are worth money, so less stocks = less money/value in the company. Conversely, if people buy stocks, there's more... well, stocks and money, I guess.

>> No.49555984

>>49555394
To be honest, the more we learn about it(See: Sayu, the other controversies, Mr. 2 week manager mismanaging shit), the more I feel we're approaching NijiKR tier or some aspects may already be there.

People like Kyo and Enna ruining Hex's birthday aren't helping, either.

>> No.49556022

>>49555984
>En's drama is relevant to stock values
Only in this seafag infested board I'd read such a retarded ass post.

>> No.49556061

>>49555934
not sure if bait or retarded

>> No.49556085

>>49556022
This might come as a surprise to you, but Luxiem were pretty heavy hitters. I know they declined, but still

>> No.49556092

>>49555934
Let's be real here, Anycolor is backed by Major Chink corporations and Sony if one of them move away it's over for them

>> No.49556142

>>49555935
I feel like I need to attend a Lecture about Stock market lol

>> No.49556173

>>49556061
>>49556092
>d-doesn't count!!!
pathetic, maybe i should start spamming threads asking why is cover worth less than the irrelevant chink company you niggers hate so much

>> No.49556175

>>49553586
>a major holder sold in bulk
>stocks prices fall
That's normal behavior, probably a major investor that sold as soon as he was able to, which is why they have a minimum period of hold before they can sell their stocks

>> No.49556260

>>49556022
Luxiem was pretty huge last year, they pretty much had the China audience in the palm of their hand. I don't think the drama and the declining viewerbase entirely was responsible, but Bilibili selling their ownership in Anycolor because the site was low on cash probably didn't help either.

>> No.49556266

>>49556022
Stock retardation is a westoid thing. Seanigs don't have money to care how stocks work.

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>>49555934
It gets better.
Anycolour stock values are on par with fucking Capcom, and this is Capcom after they hit their best all time share price. Isn't it funny, how retarded this board is.

>> No.49556386

>>49556173
Chill Little Fagster, don't get you Panties wet just cuz Niji is taking too much L',s.

What matters is whether or not Riku will be kicked out or they will restructure Nijisanji cuz in all seriousness we need Nijisanji to continue to exist since without them Hololive will become a Monopoly and will eventually lead to them going downhill

>> No.49556458

>>49556260
Huh? So Anycolor owns Bilibili now?

>> No.49556493

>>49555934
>what is market cap

>> No.49556593

>>49553586
bilibili sold a bunch of shares recently. Has nothing to do with EN dramafaggotry. Kys OP.

>> No.49556597

>>49556386
>ceo getting fired
The people buying these stock don't own even 1/8 of the company. The amount they listed was less than 10% from what I remember.

>> No.49556626

>>49555934
>stocks value have been fallen since last year
>"look guys it's still bigger than company who's stocks value have been raising!"
I know you really love nijisanji.
But, at least learn about stocks first.

>> No.49556734

>>49556372
Ok, the guy you're replying to is only mildly retarded because he was accidentally right but you're absolutely fucking insanely retarded, wrong and clueless.
Capcom has a market cap of 1.1 TRILLION yen. Anycolor is not even 200 bil.
Cover Corp is 105B
Anycolor 167B

>> No.49556838

>>49553649
spbp

>> No.49556845

>>49556734
Don't care who is right at this point but man Connect the World better be a success, Yagoo's Metaverse dream depends on it loo

>> No.49556880
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49556880

>>49556173
retarded, understood. The actual, individual share price of a company is determined by how diluted the shares are, how much of the company is converted to shares. It's possible to issue shares for 20% of a company, and make that 10 billion shares. The individual share price will be low because it's a small equity and a large number of shares. The shares are diluted. Reverse that and the share price is price will be high, each share accounts for a bigger piece of equity. That aside, actual value is irrelevant, only the percentage change matters. If a super diluted company with a low share price has their stock price go up 30%, that's 30% value gain. A high share price that lost in value lost you money, no matter how valuable an individual share is. Cover gained 33% value, Nijisanji lost 5% value. Who do you think is winning?

>> No.49556886

>>49556734
I think his point is that it doesn't matter if Anycolor stocks fall a little because it's still high as fuck. Sure, it dropped from an absurd 12k all time high after chink investors cashed out but they're still doing fine.

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49556902

>>49556372
>Anycolour stock values are on par with fucking Capcom, and this is Capcom after they hit their best all time share price. Isn't it funny, how retarded this board is.
Anon, for fuck sake, learn how stocks work.

The number you're looking for is "Market Capitalization", which is the price of one share times the number of shares in the market.
Capcom is valued some eight times as much as Anycolor.

The price of one share means fuck all

>> No.49556909

>>49556845
don't expect either COVER or Anycolor stock to do well in the next few years. Both are overvalued and entertainment.

>> No.49556968

>>49556880
Still Nijisanji?

>> No.49556987

>>49556458
Other way around. Bilibili owned a good-sized portion of Anycolor, but they dumped their Anycolor stocks recently. Which basically means they thought Anycolor wasn't worth investing in anymore.

>> No.49557038

>>49556968
that's right!

>> No.49557045

>>49556902
>the number that matters is coincidentally the one i highlighted and happens favors the other guy, not the one that they put up in large font to represent the value of the stock
Alright retard

>> No.49557051

>>49556458
No, I think it was the opposite. Bilibili had some ownership in Anycolor, according to a 2022 article on Yahoo Finance which came from PR Newswire. According to the article, Bilibili was one of Anycolor's earliest investors, and helped Nijisanji enter the Chinese market since 2018, helped launch VirtualReal, as well as being responsible for handling vtuber merch sales and concerts there, or helping any Nijisanji vtubers stream there.
Thing is, while that article once claimed that Bilibili was their third largest investor, the site hemoraged money for a while now and sold some of their shares apparently. In fact according to a site called MarketScreener, it seems like Sony, Yuzuru Honda, and "Skyland Ventures KK" are bigger owners than Bili at this point.

>> No.49557074

>>49556880
the company with higher value? what the hell are you talking about, moron.

>> No.49557078
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49557078

>>49553586
Leave nijisanji to us

>> No.49557092

>>49557045
Nigga, can you fucking read??

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49557151

Is being retarded the new tactic for nijiniggers?

>> No.49557226

>>49557151
it's the only possible explanation

>> No.49557234

>>49556886
Anycolor doesn't even pay dividend, it's a growth stock. If they aren't growing, the whole point in owning the stock, to profit from growth, goes away. It doesn't matter how high it is, what matters is how fast it's growing.
Sure it can go down every once in a while, but going down or stagnating isn't what you want to see.

>> No.49557354

>>49556175
The hold agreement for initial investors was 6 months, that's why their stocks plummeted back in december.

Bilibili seems to have been dumping their anycolor stocs for the past couple of weeks, tho.

>> No.49557493

>>49557045
There's no way this is not bait. Noone here can be that retarded

>> No.49557522

>>49557074
NTA but I think I can explain this using literal pies. Imagine you have two pies. One pie is 10 inches in diameter and the other pie is 20 inches in diameter. If you take the 10-inch pie and cut it into quarters you have some pretty big slices, right? Now imagine you take the 20-inch pie and cut it into 200 slices. Those are some small fucking slices. Each slice is a share, and their individual value is based on their size.

But the bigger pie is still the bigger pie. Each slice being worth less doesn't change the fact that 20-inches is more than 10-inches. And that's what market cap is. The size of the whole pie. That's why market cap is more important than individual share size. We don't care how small someone cuts the pie, we can just get more slices. We care how big the whole pie is because that determines how much we can eat. Or in the case of a business, how much it is really worth.

>> No.49557547

>>49555934
>apple inc - $170
>chipotle - $2000
holy shit! shipotle is over 10x bigger than apple

>> No.49557645

Talking about,how can we check who buy Cover stock?

>> No.49557775
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49557775

Holocope: the thread

>> No.49557823

BUY BUY BUY

>> No.49557875

>>49557775
>Boosted bitch picture

>> No.49557924

>>49557522
Nijisanji's market cap is higher - they are the company with the higher value.

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any huffers

>> No.49558100

>>49557924
Correct. Nobody should be debating that. I'm just saying the individual share values are irrelevant to that fact and are only important when deciding how many shares to buy to stay within your budget. Market cap determines the actual value of a company. So when someone says "x company is worth more because their shares cost more" they are still wrong even if they happen to end up being right.

>> No.49558335

I have come to this thread expecting only to read to see if I could learn something, but I have a gut feeling that is better to give up

>> No.49558480

>>49557151
It's not a tactic, it's not new.

>> No.49558790

>>49558335
Major shareholders(namely Bilibili and affiliated companies) dumped their stock, and it has led to some other people doing the same. So share prices are falling amidst speculation on whether the company is still worth investing in. There's no direct evidence the constant drama has caused any decrease in valuation, but it certainly wouldn't cause an increase. So form your own opinion on whether shareholders are looking unfavorably on the bad PR or simply ignoring it.

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49558864

After sovlful vtubers like Kizuna declined and streamers invading the hobby, the only thing I want to see is all of them dying one by one. Leggo Nijisanji!

>> No.49559205

>>49558790
What do they gain by ignoring bad PR?

>> No.49559691

>>49559205
if they never admit to to or comment on anything, it's easier to dismiss as slander with no basis in reality if it ever comes up in a fashion where they can't avoid addressing it.

>> No.49559848

>>49556372
>nijinig see green graph so it must mean they are as good as this other company

>> No.49560725

>>49556987
Is this a good or bad news?

>> No.49561688

>>49554391
stocks down = bad
stocks up = good

>> No.49562847

>>49560725
>less chink influence
good of course

>> No.49563157

>>49557045
The number in large font is that large because it’s the one you care about if you own the stock, retard. That’s not the one that matters if you’re trying to compare two companies to see which one’s bigger.

>> No.49563538

>>49555763
Holoearth is never happening, it's only mentioned to attract investors.

>> No.49564195
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49564195

Let me give you poorfags a small lesson in money.
Stocks and investments aren't an infinite money cheat.
You have to sell your stocks to earn your money and your return.
And many stocks are traded as part of mutual funds which are managed by many many corporations as part of their portfolios to generate income and returns for their investors, this can be your mom and dad, as well as 401Ks and 401K Roth for example.

Ever since Anycolor and Cover went public I've seen you monkey running around comparing prices of individual stocks and daily traded volumes as if it meant anything.
AC's rose to nearly 14k in it's first month, then dropped off as investors reached the maturity date of their investments and began to sell.
Investors in this case can be anyone from tech companies, (You), banks, brokers, etc.

Cover's stock is expected to rise in price in anticipation of the newest ID gen and potentially EN3.
After which investors will cash out after realizing their interest and return goals, usually around Q3 and Q4 when the economy slows down as well.
Contrary to popular belief no, holostars collabs won't bring the price of the stock down, stop memeing this you look retarded.

None of you specially /#/ has ever touched an economics and investment book in their lives.

>> No.49564369

>>49559205
Shareholders would only ignore bad PR if they thought it was something that wouldn't impact the company's bottom line(a nothingburger), or they had reason to believe the company was about to do something that would cause their valuation to shoot back up. Taking a little loss to make larger gains soon after.
In this instance I would say the latter does not apply. As far as I am aware, there is no huge project Anycolor is working on that is about to blow everyone's minds. So it just depends on whether the shareholders think it will cost them money. Personally I feel the clear incompetence from management combined with noticeably dwindling numbers is enough to think twice, but everyone has to decide that for themselves. And of course deciding to pull out of a company doesn't mean it is dogshit garbage that is doomed to failure, either. It simply means that they believe it is more profitable to invest elsewhere.

>>49560725
It's not good news for Anycolor when their valuation goes down. And generally when a company starts hurting, it's the little guys that suffer the most. So it probably isn't great news for the livers either. I would expect more pressure on them behind the scenes to get their numbers up. Course Anycolor doesn't really cut costs from laying off workers, as most industries would. Since livers aren't paid a fixed salary in the first place, and the costs to keep each one around is entirely covered by the money they personally bring into the company. Whether it will lead to more acceleration(workers are effectively pure profit for the company so this is likely) or laying off non-existent managers is anyone's guess. I don't think it will cause deceleration because buying models is the only real cost here, and even if the liver ends up flopping they should make that money back within a few weeks at the very most. That said, the only thing certain in life is that the suits will remain rich.

>> No.49564884

>>49553586
>
Anycolor stock can go back up if they reduce all merch sales to 1% or .5% to their talents. This now includes voice packs. Also increase their cut from superchats too. When the next earnings report shows growth in the EN merch sales, stocks will rise.
Shareholders don't care how it's done. Why stocks rise after a company lays off thousands of workers.
Of course, this won't last for the long term, but I doubt anyone that buys Anycolor expects long-term growth. Anycolor has no future plans other than just accel.
Keep an eye for when Riku starts dumping off his shares....if he hasn't already started.

>> No.49565222

>>49554391
When your stocks are down it makes it easier for the bull at the market to stick his peepee in your no-no hole.

>> No.49567411

>>49564884
darker than black

>> No.49567579

>>49564884
Riku has been dumping as fast as he can get away with, think he's only at 44% ownership at this point.

>> No.49567638

>>49554464
>There are speculations in the market that major shareholders have sold their holdings in block trades
What does that mean? Is block trade not traceable in nipland? Big holders should have their names and how many stocks they're holding on the list for anyone to see.

>> No.49567904

>>49567579
>Riku has been dumping as fast as he can get away with, think he's only at 44% ownership at this point.
It'll be sad if Riku still gets worshipped when he's probably looking for some shmuck to dump the company on as we speak.

>> No.49567952

No speculation more important than
>Company take 99% of profit from their workers.
That's all investors need to hear.

>> No.49570167

>>49564195
stfu

>> No.49570262

>>49553703
Their market cap is something fucking stupid like 100bn yen.

>> No.49572200

>>49557051
>>49558790
>2018
Think there's any validity to the rumor Bilibili had a hand in Cover leaving China?
And that it might be due to their investment rather than wholly nationistic reasons?

>> No.49574278

>>49554472
>>49554391
Learn enough economics and you'll start to realize that it doesn't really matter that much. Plenty of companies are overvalued and undervalued.
Nijisanji was just heavily overvalued at its peak and is returning to what is IMO a more true share price. Hype investors left and now they're just left with sane money.

>> No.49574455

>>49570167
sorry not sorry money talks you just don't listen

>> No.49574776

>>49572200
>rumor

>> No.49576480

>>49572200
Bilibili absolutely had a hand in it, but I doubt it had anything to do with other investments. If they can keep their hands in two cookie jars, there is no reason to throw one away. That's not to say their motive was nationalistic either. Large corporations, even in China, have one goal and it isn't patriotism. When you see corporations being patriotic it is, invariably, because they want brownie points with the people giving them money. If the suits had their way, they would still be working with Cover. But Bilibili's core audience is a hivemind of brainwashed nationalists, and you have to cater to your audience or you will lose them.

>> No.49578706

>>49572200
Bilibili wanted to kill Hololive because they're in bed with Nijisanji. Explains why Luxiem got popular there but never in NA.

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Kurosanji no!

>> No.49579107

like i care about their stocks. I bought 5 voicepacks the last 3 monts and currently am membered to 4 of them, probably adding a 5th soon.

>> No.49579216

>>49579028
They waited till the moment the stock market closed to announce it.

>> No.49579304

>>49579107
You'll be happy to know that they'll be getting almost none of that money.

>> No.49579958

>>49579028
No one watched fucking Akane, she was dwelling around 150-300 viewers. If you think Holofive had it bad Selejo had it worse and no synergy at all. If anything nornis showed her that her talent is wasted in nijisanji and nothing she does will increase her viewerbase. They also should stop releasing new outfits right before the contract runs out..
>>49579304
Voicepacks isn't in the merchandise category and with how much Hayama is advertising it on the side i expect they get a lot more than 2% from it.

>> No.49580506

>>49579107
I hate to tell you this but the talents don't get much from that.

>> No.49580700

>>49564195
stop being reasonable

>> No.49581515

>>49553703
Is Nijisanji dying?

>> No.49581783

>>49554223
Yeah bro because NijiJP doesn't do the exact same thing
Oh wait

>> No.49581860

>>49557151
If they weren't retarded they wouldn't be nijiniggers

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TOTAL NIJI DEATH
TOTAL BILI DEATH

>> No.49581995

>>49572200
>rumour
Anon they were deliberately deleting videos explaining everything while letting videos calling for raids stay up, we can spectulate as to their motives but they definitely did kick cover out

>> No.49582790

>>49572200
> rumor
nigger Bilibili still, TO THIS DAY nukes ANY hololive content on their platform, even pirated shit and restreams

>> No.49582997

>>49553586
When people /here/ talk about stocks, it might as well be haruspicy. It almost never proves anything, much less the point they're trying to make.

>> No.49583792

Aren't there bots that automatically scrape the web for news or sentiments towards a company and then use that to gauge confidence in them? Maybe shitposting on /vt/ does affect the stock.

>> No.49584059

>>49572200
its pretty normal in china to use nationalistic reason kill your competitor, i wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true

>> No.49584138

>>49567904
NIJIGOD BAGHOLDER WW@

>> No.49584188

>>49572200
Of course they have influence to cover leaving bili2, they have their own vtuber group Asoul, it obvious they want to cripple it competitor or kicking them out from their own market.

>> No.49584222

>>49579958
damn a JP worse CCV than lowest holo indon?
i guess the company just doesn't care, left them to rot

>> No.49585889

>>49556593
I thought Bilibili sold theirs a long time ago?

>> No.49588374

>>49553586
buy the dip

>> No.49589458

>>49553586
theyll be fine

>> No.49589972
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>>49555934
why are you so retarded?

>> No.49590577

>>49554752
If it's 2%, wouldn't you only need to buy 50? Or am I fucking stupid?

>> No.49593195

>>49557997
everyone

>> No.49595718

>>49553586
not my problem

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