/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

If the payment is so bad then why no one in NijiEN is retiring or leaving the corp on their own terms (Resignation or calling it quits).

Think about it. Why would you want to be keep working at a company that pays you badly that a Mcdonalds job is likely to make you earn more.

they earn money from other stuff too.

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Prostitution.

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>>49069056
>What is NIji EXID?

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>>49069056
Look at Kson. She used to be the biggest vtuber around and now she's lower than HoloID tier.
The NijiEN girls would go back to being 1-2 views if they left. The only one that MIGHT have enough viewers to break even compared to staying at Niji is Pomu.

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>>49069172
Also, many people prefer a stable future to an uncertain one. Even if the latter could potentially make a lot of money.

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>>49069056
Ever heard of sunk cost fallacy

[Anonymous No.]

If Pomu leaves Niji then those pics will be spammed everywhere. Remining members will make some reference to it and laugh. You know this.

[Anonymous No.]

We already saw what happened with Zaion and how management chose not to work on a statement with her departure.
Yugo after all left and he’s doing better than he was in Nijisanji. There’s no way that Anycolor wants any repeats of that. It’s also that, or they want the livers to feel like if they go indie, that’s it, they’re done and will be irrelevant.

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>>49069056
even with the 2% thing, they still earn more money than the holoEN girls.

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>>49069056
They haven't recoup their debut cost

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Because they are talentless cumrags. It's either this or getting fucked in a bathroom stall for 3 bucks.

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>>49069056
Pomu herself has said that NijiEN is like her family. Who wants to leave their family?

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It's bad compared to hololive. Your petty rivalry was about paupers vs queens all along. But I don't doubt Vox made a fuckton of money. Just that he probably gets mogged by fucking Bae or some shit

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>>49069056
False just wanted to stir shit.
>"Nijisanji only gives 2% lololol!"
Meanwhile:
>Reimu moves
>Rosemi quits job, still can live comfortably
>Pomu quits job, still can live comfortably
>Vox bought a new fucking house
>Mysta bought 2 houses (moved into one)
>Mika can move at any time
>Scarle can move at any time
>Luca moved (bought a house)
>Millie moved (renting luxury condo)
>Enna's roomie moved out, can afford her place solo
I wish I had their "2%" lol.

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>>49069561
Doesn't help your case that Niji got so assblasted that they sent their intern working overtime shitting up /vt/

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>>49069366
lol nice joke.

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>>49069056
Still pays the bills and it's a lazy job. Why would you leave?

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>>49069420
Families can also be dysfunctional. Also, didn’t Pomu talk about having thoughts of leaving or being frustrated with the company recently, but staying because of friendships and her fans? If anything, those connections also make it harder to leave, especially since right now there’s a gap in her resume.

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>>49069561
The company makes them lie. They could be streaming from cardboard boxes for all we know.

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>>49069561
yeah, nijiEN is rolling in money. meanwhile, holoEN can barely afford to eat when they get forced to go to japan.

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>>49069056
The alternative is having twitter mob chase you while your former company provides ammunition.

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>>49069819
It takes under 5 minutes to do your reps.

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>>49069561
they are "living well", otherwise they go on "family vacations."

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>>49069561
Imagine how much more they would have with a fair %.

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>>49069056
so true sister, they also go on regularly unscheduled vacations and trips!!!

nijisanji eating good

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>>49069056
Because most of them were 2views before joining and this is the only chance they have at relevance

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>>49069995
kek

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>>49069987
Are you telling people do dox them?

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>>49069561
Rosemi was interning
Pomu quit her OL because she was exhausted
Vox is rollin in that chinese money true
Luca is renting

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>>49069056
Even getting fuck all on merch they're still earning way above what a normal person does. Pomu got what $500k sc, she gets 35% of that, that's $175k/24 months=$7k a month, memberships if you have say 3000 members makes you what $5k a month, that's $10k a month already she's earning without counting streamlabs or voice packs tht they make the most money on or sponsorship or ad revenue or event appearances etc. She's like clearing 6 figures a year.

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>>49069330
The pics don't exist

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>>49069056
Stockholm Syndrome.

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>>49070516
>Pomu quit her OL because she was exhausted
She's also american, you can't have little to no money even with roommates and have housing.

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>>49070547
3000 members don't make 5k a month, especially since they take a cut of that too

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>>49070547
>35% SC
do nijinigs really?

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>>49069561
Mysta only made 70k GBP last year (he revealed how much he paid in taxes), no way he bought 2 houses unless he bought some dilapidated sheds in the middle of nowhere.

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>>49069056
Because they get an okay stable pay packet inside and they get every single tiny little joke turned into a termination notice as a signal for the drone fans to harass dox and swat them if they don't.
Shut up behave and get small livable pay or get zaion'd. That's why.

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>>49069172
Kson thought she would still be bringing holo money when you remove the cut. Didn’t turn out to be true so she ran to vshojo but an apt comparison. They make more money under niji than their numbers should allow

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>>49069056
Once successful enough, I see it's financially good advice to pull off what Kson did since that company will always take that huge cut off merch when you're big enough to not need the Nijisanji name anymore

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>>49071264
Kson is only afloat because gunrun gave her like a million dollars to join

[Anonymous No.]

If all the Nijishit combined makes me more than 5k a month after tax, I aint leaving even if its kinda ass.
The fact that you cant renegotiate rates is weird shit anyway but thats what happened in unchecked capitalism.
American work drone mentality but if you bark up the tree because you wanna get better rates they might just fire you, who knows.

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>>49071675
>American work drone mentality but if you bark up the tree because you wanna get better rates they might just fire you, who knows.
that's literally japanese work culture, you retarded weeb. stop blaming everything on america.

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>>49070643
3000 members at $5 $15k, 35% $5.25k, these are rough estimates coming along with your not everyone is paying $5 shit is pointless

>>49070657
They do really? They get 50% on voicepacks as a known fact, the members say streamlabs is equal to voicepacks in how much they get from it so they get 50% of donos, if they get 50% of donos, and I see no reason why that split between them and the company would change between streamlabs and youtube, then taking off 30% for youtube leaves the talents with 35% of what you donated.

[Anonymous No.]

There's 2 types of people in this world.

The 1%, and those getting the 1%

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>>49069056
what other great talents do nijis have for their lives lol

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>>49069056
>why no one in NijiEN is retiring

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why do you think most of them act like fucking cunts?

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>>49070504
> nijiniggers
> asking people to dox their livers
Anon, don't act surprised, you knew it was comming.

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>>49071527
sure

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>>49069056
Because niji have a hierarchy the most popular chuubas and fags get paid more than most of the big fucking who's working for them. Girls like pomu and Selen are making bank.

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>>49069056
Because Niji is a black company that pressures its talents and puts them in a position where if they try to leave, they'll be ostracized and publicly executed.
NijiEN management fired Zaion in part for trying to honor an old donothon reward she'd done as Sayu, because they thought she was reviving her PL account. This means that NijiEN staff is constantly watching not only your social media accounts and /vt/ for movement, but your PL Discords and possibly other channels.
>>49069330 is absolutely right. If a certain ghost maid sneezes, within a week Pomu will suddenly need to take time off to be with her family, livers will be having "trouble" with her, and a certain set of images will suddenly show up on /vt/ and Twitter a lot more frequently.

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>>49074013
What a fucking retarded post, stick to spamming "lmao 1%" instead of embarrassing yourself speculating shit about people you never watched

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>>49075055
This is true though, there is very little loyalty among talents. If you remember the secret GC stream, most talents stayed quiet if they participated in it. And if they were open about it, they were already willing to shift the blame on others.
There's zero chance that they wont pile on any talents that try to leave.

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>>49075055
Not a single word that anon said was false, but by all means continue defending the corpo that fired someone for making a deez nuts joke.

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>>49075521
its funny because not only she but multiple other members have been active on their PL already without it causing any issues

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>>49075055
1% is about what you should be getting paid for making these posts. You're not doing this for free, right?

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>>49071826
Totally confirmed by the company that gives 3% of merch sales.

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>>49075675
I wonder how long that would remain the case if one of them were to do anything financial on those accounts rather than a innocuous tweet here and there.

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>>49070547
Wait, 35% from sc..?
Before yt 30% cut or after yt 30% cut..?

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>>49077087
As in youtube takes 30%, then what remains is split 50/50 thus 35% of the overall amount.

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>>49069172
Judging by their viewership, it seems like leaving Nijisanji is a numbers buff more than anything else kek

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>>49069056
>they have no other options
>they have no skills
>they like being a vtuber/their coworkers
>they would not stand out against any other indies/corpos if they left
>sunk cost
>>49074013

Realistically none of the guys have a chance at being 4view or even 3view as indies or anywhere else but holostars(which they are unlikely to get into). The girls also don't have much of a great outlook in an over-saturated market.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how this false shit went from 2% merch cut, to they only make 2% of EVERYTHING, even thought is categorically false and the info about this has been available for nearly 3 years.
And any attempt to say otherwise just gets met with
>Umm akutally they are poor
>Nijisanji bad
>Kys bootlicker
You guys just do not care about the truth, you wanna roll like pigs in shit in this latest "drama" and being disingeous fuckbags.

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>>49069056
Ask zaion what happen when you leave
You will understand why that treatment, to prevent the remaining ones to leave unless they wish utter reputational destruction

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>>49069819
https://youtu.be/HObNARwPTPk

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>>49079405
Based Rosetai.

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>>49079405
>w-w-w-w-what is is his source
>-u-u-u-u-um ackushually we knew this whole time!!
you nijiniggers are hilarious

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>>49069366
Holy cope

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>>49079405
Cope and seethe nijinigger

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>>49075055
this

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>>49079405
Taken on its face by itself, 2% is an abysmally poor cut for low quality merch with minimal overhead that only has value because of the person getting the 1~3% cut.
Nobody is spending $15 on an acrylic keychain of a random latinaesque schoolgirl with anime tiddies. People are spending that money on a keychain of Scarle Yonagumi because they are fans of the vtuber, streamer, and character Scarle Yonagumi. The keychain is worthless trash without her as a person being tied to it, and a 1~3% cut is an insult to that amount of investment as a person.
Yes, they get paid via donations and sponsorships, but that is that and this is this. Unless Nijisanji wants to start announcing their cuts publicly, people are gonna be mad about their oshi making $0.15 per unit, before taxes, on a product that will never ship over 1000 units (as a highly generous estimate to the point of delusion).

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>>49079405
>the info about this has been available for nearly 3 years.
The fact that the info has been available for nearly 3 years and the company hasn't changed at all throughout those 3 years despite very obviously having the money to change things up, either way you slice it its not a good look anon.
They could very easily upgrade it to at least double-digit tier like 10%. People assumed that the talents didn't make much on merch based on ranking, but I don't think anyone expected that it'd be a comically low figure like 2%. And the only reason people even buy their shitty merch is because they hope that it supports the talents, instead it all goes to the company and the talents get basically nothing even if they're in Luxiem.

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>>49070753
>he revealed how much he paid in taxes
he revealed that in February though, and taxes are paid in April. So it probably wasn't income tax, it was probably property tax on a house. It's called the Stamp Tax in Britain. The amount of taxes he was complaining about would be about what you pay on a detached house in a nice area.

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>>49079405
>"it's only the merch"
>the merch is by far the biggest source of income
hmmm

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>>49069056
The ones with low views in NijiEN would have even lower views as an indie

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>>49085330
Going by catalogue logic they only need 1% of those views to make even.

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>>49070549
it i have it

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>>49085246
>the merch is by far the biggest source of income
Proof?

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>>49086088
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/43943027/#43944279

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>>49069056
>why don't people just change jobs if they don't like it so much????

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>>49069056
>they earn money from other stuff too.
Probably because some of them have day jobs and in general making money remotely is easier if you've downsized, which I assume most have, or have little costs like the ones that live with their parents or go to collegia.

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>>49069056
Yugo...Zaion...Reimu on the way

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>>49069789
Her resume will say "Freelance Entertainer", it's that easy.

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>>49086088
Green is the income from special events, like NijiFes or concerts/appearances (some bonus money for appearing)
Oranges is the money from merch (they get 2%)
Red is the superchat/voicepack money (they get 35% of superchat, 50% of voicepack).

So the biggest slice of the pie, the merch, they get practically nothing. Most of what they are making is from the red slice, which is much smaller.

This is millions of yen, so they made Anycolor an average of 1.5 billion yen over the past 2 quarters. If that continues, it will be about $45 million annually. That is $1.5 million for every liver. If Anycolor only took 1/2 those earnings, tat would be an annual salary of $750,000 each. but I guarantee they aren't making that much.

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>>49070547
I guess I forgot because I was used to /biz/ copypastas about how 100k isn't a lot of money.

>>49070620
Burgerland is awful in terms of greed. Apartments are like 50% overvalued even when considering inflation. It's all just boomers demanding their cut, just because they're dicks. Sadly the best outcome is, at most, a 20% decline in rents.

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>>49086675
It's definitely 1% of each merchandise as allocated to their likeness, though

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>>49079405
today everyone is saying it's 1% too, people just love to talk shit

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>>49086318
>>49086675
Thank you for the link and for clarifying. A rarity on this board.
/#/ still sucks most of the time though.

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>>49087023
It wasn't /#/ bragging about these incomes, it was the Niji thread. /#/ was trying their best to downplay since it's a lot bigger than hololive.
Nijisanij's big advantage is numbers, pushing out waves of talents. This creates a lot of volume and increases incomes a lot, but it means that each liver gets much less per-person. Hololive talents definitely earn more than Niji talents, even if Anycolor makes more profit at the end of the day.

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>>49086977
that's what your liver said you retarded nijinigger
>b-b-b-b-b-but he was joking!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Meanwhile, in Nijien, they keep buying expensive things and purchasing tickets to travel to Japan, eu, burgerland every few months. I guess that if they are so poor, then those indie vtubers must have a mansion with a pool because they haven't had their money stolen by corpo