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Are vtubers getting more popular/bigger? Haven't been around since November.

>> No.489449

>>488999
We are basically in the “Golden Age” of VTubers, nearly no regulations and new good ones popping up here and there, no idea how long it is gonna last but enjoy it while you can, translation efforts and following seems to be rising but one day the entire thing is gonna fall down, probably in 1-5 years once some of the most popular ones start graduating to go into more profitable projects or give up, also I expect the western VTubers to do some bullshit that might end up fucking with the entire scene or flat out the Twitter mob picking up on someone doing BS as a VTuber and then fucking everyone by having the platforms do something like severe guidelines and shit (if they are not making them already).

TLDR; you came back in time to enjoy this while it is peaking, have a good time because it might not last long.

>> No.489584

They're everywhere atm. It used to be just the dog getting recommended, but now every vtuber seems to be getting their shine in the spotlight.

>> No.489622

It's reaching a critical mass where the niche is becoming oversaturated. The biggest agencies are still going strong, but more and more bandwagoners and fotm normies are jumping in because it seems like an easy path to internet fame and fortune, which dilutes the overall quality of the chuuba population since more and more low-effort view whores shit out mediocre content that is slurped up by thirsty simps and/or children.

I give it another year, by the new year there'll be so many shitty indies or copycat "agencies", not to mention several new gens or branches of fully-fledged companies, that the "almost every chuuba has something worth watching" feel will instead be like new anime seasons, i.e. "oh boy I wonder which of the 8 isekai LN adaptations that premiered this season is the least shitty, or do I just keep watching that one that's on season 4?"

>> No.489640

It's a fad. It will crash once the novelty wears off/the hostess bars reopen after Covid goes away.

>> No.489769

They're gonna lose the popularity like it happened to Kizuna AI and reincarnate to different streamers, singers, idols, etc.

>> No.489885

>>488999
Yeah you literally now see VTubers no and then in generic streamer highlights channels. Also now there are many indies playing niche games and targetting niche audiences like french and spanish, also new agencies poppin every month.

>> No.491282

>>488999
I feel like its declined somewhat in the west already from the height of the hype following the months of HoloEN releasing already. They haven't really managed to sustain the huge initial numbers of live viewers they had and all have dropped off considerably. But maybe it will be reinvigorated when the next "big" things happen like the next generation of HoloEN or NijiEN releasing.

>> No.491659

Like many here, I see this as something of a fad that will decline in the next few years. The main problem will be oversaturation, too many indies are debuting every month and it's going to burn people out.
It doesn't help that many of them are low effort and only cash in attempts.

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491731

It's all downhill from here folks

>> No.491819

>>491731
Holding with my diamond dick.

>> No.491950
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491950

The whole phenomena is honestly amazing, a few days ago I zoomed out of a stream and realized what we're living now is straight out of a Sci-Fi novel, being able to animate a virtual avatar as a replacement of our faces and, with enough money time and willpower our entire body.
I doubt anyone can accurately predict what's going to come but if I had to guess we were at peak popularity in december 2020 and it's now slowly normalizing to more organic numbers. However just like the first people that came are getting tired or realizing they just followed a fad, it's becoming an important icon of internet culture.
Just like with the first youtube videos, I think we'll go from regular talking streams, minecraft gameplays and fads to more specialized channels that will have their own niche public.
Tldr: big channels will keep going down, however you'll start seeing a lot of smaller channels have their own audience.

>> No.492120

vtubers in japan will be fine because the idol industry in japan will be fine.

the fad of wvts will die down as china takes over western social media like they did with tiktok.

>> No.492300

It's crashing, the ironic weebs are getting bored. puts on hololive

>> No.492307

>>492120
this is the thing that introduces idol culture to the west. my only regret is that it's all wrapped up with twitchfags.

>> No.492642

>>489449
OG era was the golden age, NijiHolo era (current) is silver age.

>> No.492755

>>492307
doubt idol culture as it exists in japan will carry over. you can already see it in the kpop craze with BTS right now. they don't care about "idols" it's always been performance celebrities with irl faces.

>> No.492932

>>492307
What even is “idol culture”? Is it treating the performer as a morally perfect person? Is there a definitive rundown somewhere I could check out?

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>>489640
>reopen after Covid goes away

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>>493028
you can even buy nijisanji branded ones now

>> No.493545

>>492932
The modern idol encapsulates these aspects:
- they are "diamonds in the rough" i.e. untapped potential and growth
- they are "carriers of dreams" i.e. along with aiming towards their own goals, they carry the dreams of their fans
- they are the "light of hope" i.e. no matter how dark or grim society/humanity gets, they are the evershining light that represents that there's still goodness in the world

"Idol culture" is just the actions and norms of the industry and fans around the modern idol concept. You cheer and support the idol in their journey towards whatever goal they have. You protect the idol from those who wish to tear them down.

The whole "an idol must be pure and perfect" is an old standard from the 1970s-1990s era of idols. Nobody adheres to that anymore and it's always weird when people bring that up in the context of modern idols.

>> No.493875

>>493545
>Nobody adheres to that anymore and it's always weird when people bring that up in the context of modern idols.
I mean you can see why they do though. For a lot of people Hololive is their first contact with idol related things. A significant portion of the western Hololive fans that will get upset at things like male collabs are also the same fans that place a greater value the idol aspects of what they do. That "idol culture" has often been used as justification for why such collaborations shouldn't be allowed to happen rather than just saying it makes them uncomfortable or whatever.

>> No.494050

western audiences have a fucked up americanized version of what they think "idol culture" is.

in japan and korea, idols are intentionally presented as single and always available, so that thirsty boys will salivate over the fantasy of one day hooking up with them. doxx a boyfriend or significant other, and everyone freaks out.

>> No.494165

>>494050
>Remember the shitfest of K-on. Or someone that was associated with them.

>> No.494171

>>494050
I think it doesn't really help that "idol" isn't really a word with a strict narrow definition, and is applied to all sorts of people ranging from literal pornographic actresses all the way up to mainstream clean image pop music idols. So I feel like a lot of the disagreements you see around it come from people having different definitions in mind to begin with.

>> No.494222

>>494171
yeah that's actually a pretty good point

>> No.495414

>>488999
>Are vtubers getting more popular/bigger?
You must be dumb enough not to realize that there's a separate board for vTubers now. That alone is indicative. Will it stay true in teh future? Maybe Amelia knows.

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>>488999
When media sites start giving crash-courses in the phenomenon you know they're starting to break out.

>> No.495786

>>495689
Journos, the real leeches.

>> No.495830

>>495689
"Vtubing is more than just livestreaming with cute anime avatars"?
I like vtubers but that is litterly exactly what it is.

>> No.495874

>>495830
Ah, read the article and you'll see how amazing and intricate it is. Apparently.

>> No.495998

>>495689
why vtubing isn't just livestreaming with an anime avatar

>privacy
which is bullshit since they've all been doxxed already

>you can have a manufactured persona
literally what face cam streamers do. you think pdp, joji, markilpier, etc. act that way 24/7? they created a persona to play on youtube.

wow, turns out it's literally just livestreaming with an anime avatar
>"journalism"

>> No.496010

>>494050
It's only really a small minority that freaks out. Most regular idol fans don't care as much.

Sashihara Rino, arguably the most popular AKB48 member in their whole history, got caught up in a boyfriend scandal and got more popular post-scandal.

>> No.496206

it's peaking right now in terms of pure enthusiasm. likely in the next couple of months a big publication will write a hit piece, on hololive or whatever that will start a huge stupid culture war between twitter people and anime fans. enthusiasm will die down after everyone gets bored arguing but i imagine it will keep going after just fine

>> No.496226 [DELETED] 

>>494050
Non-Asian vtubers have no idea what being an idol mean. You can clearly see from all those HoloEN and Twitch thots they can copy the external appearance of Japanese vtubers, but the inside is totally missing. Something doesn't sit right at all.

I've noticed how vapid most of Western vtubers are, like they lack empathy for the viewers except in a few cases. It's a current ideology in Western countries about women being centered in themselves and this seems to get to them involuntarily. It's very rare for them to see humans in their chats and not just walking trash for cashing money. This fucked up view is obvious specially on Twitch thots.

Thus, I believe vtuber as an idol culture will stay strong in Japan but will probably end up dying in the West and be reduced to pure thottery.

>> No.496299

>>496226
When Chinese fucktards spam chat with insulting messages constantly intended to cause distress, as with Coco today, I'd say a certain amount of distance can be healthy.

>> No.496406 [DELETED] 

>>496299
To be honest, Coco always lacked real empathy.

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498327

Anon, what is going to happen to Pekora once vtubing dies? She can't get a normal job.

>> No.498377

>>498327
if she is a smart rabbit she will be saving for a lifetime of neetdom when she ages out

>> No.498411

>>498327
Vtubing isn't going to die, it'll just recede into a niche of more dedicated fans. She's gonna be okay.

>> No.498474 [DELETED] 

>>498327
Onlyfans. Problem solved.

>> No.498583

>>498411
I don't think some people realise how small the number of dedicated fans you really need to have to make a living at this shit is. Think of like the voices that people commonly sell. Say you sell 1 of those a month, and charge 1000 yen, which is a reasonable price in the current market. 500 fans you are already making $5k a month just on that if you aren't attached to an agency anymore.

>> No.500744

>>496406
What do you mean?

>> No.501267

>>496206
>hit piece
They’re just waiting for the order from West Taiwan

>> No.501442

>>488999
Vtubers are certainly getting bigger. Just compare Aqua to Okayu and then to Polka.

>> No.501607

Enjoy will while it lasts. Low effort trendhoppers are popping up everywhere. Many of them think avatar design don't matter and hate kayfabe/rp aspect.
There is no big event thats going to kill vtubers. Normalizing lower standards are going to what actually kills vtubing. People will just forget what made vtubing unique.

>> No.501632

>>498327
Pekora will still be around because she is one of the few that gives a shit and puts effort into it.

>> No.501676

>>489449
Technology is going to play a major factor on how long this lasts

>> No.501700

>>488999
They're still getting bigger, but they're not having the insane explosive growth they had last year. They're just riding the youtube algorithm at this point. Kinda feels like they're peeking, to be honest.

>> No.501705

>>493545
>Nobody adheres to that anymore and it's always weird when people bring that up in the context of modern idols.
Tell that to emitsun

>> No.501744

>>488999
>>489449
>>489584

>Only like 10-15 vtubers with more than 1 million subs
>Youtube itself has only been around for 15 years
>Twitch even less time
>Virtually everyone who does know about vtubers only discovered it less than a year ago

Its only going to get more popular, "golden age" is way down the road still, this is more like the initial blast-off period

>> No.501807

>>501744
Wait until corporations like Disney and Netflix start creating their own Vtubers

>> No.501916

>>501807
>disney
they can't/won't, they'll never risk having a streamer interact with a live chat

>netflix
probably, but it's gonna be some dumb scripted shit that will flop and disappear by the next month

>> No.502182

>>501916
you know i completely forgot bushiroad launched their own vtubers not long ago, they really seem to be flailing, square enix tried and haven't had great success with gems company too

think the bright idea for those that really want to get in on the game is to buy a stake in the popular companies already

>> No.502538

>>488999
This is vtuber peak time You came back in the right time, the censorship is starting, the market is saturated, it was very fun But it Will fade :'(

>> No.508110

>>498327
>once vtubing dies?
not going to happen, literally impossible

>> No.508536

>>488999
its nothing new that the same youtubers gets a new cycle of new viewers and I wouldn't be surprised that this will happen to "well established vtubers".

If the net fanbase population remains positive, it may be very well something that can last for at least 5 years.

The only thing I'm worried about is even bigger corporations trying to earn some quick cash from this genre or even worse, buy/acquire corporations such as Cover corp.

Or another way is to have vtubers be engaged in us politics, that would really tarnish the genre into the ground.

>> No.509289

>>498327
She previously was streaming on niconico. Now she's a millionaire and probably visits /biz/.

>> No.509466

>>508536
Big corporations already own parts of Cover though.

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