/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What reason did she have to betray Kawaii?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
to collab with a twitch whore who posted her tits on /wvt/

[Anonymous No.]

Finally a sandals wearing chuuba. Toenails doko though?

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>>48552739

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569948 WHERES THE TOENAILS

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
Barely legal Zoomer and Evil orange cat in her ears 24/7

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569948
source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569948
woman moment

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that Nene is a jealous bitch and she controls the management
she made the management nuke Hana and Aruru's channel even though they graduated in good terms because one of her fan artists made a Hana art and she seethed about it on stream and unfollowed the guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
Fauna is the only good green woman

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>>48570612
You still haven't killed yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570612
wrong, Nene is tenshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570696
>>48570746
don't forget to save your money for 1-on-1 calls with nene tomos

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
because kawaii doubled down on the idol aspect even though they said it was optional before gen3 joined
they have 1-on-1 calls with the paypigs now and even considered a real life handshaking event

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570612
>antis Nene to defend the honor of girls who quit the corpo
you couldn't be more transparent if you tried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
She wanted to stay with her friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570393
she collab'd with Miyuyu on twitch, the sloth who posted her tits on /trash/ like 3 days before the collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570393
>>48570949
>https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/55449977/#55480252

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570866
they left because Nene was controlling the management, that's not anti-ing
Nene gets everything she wants, she has like 4 outfits even though the other kawaii girls don't even have a second one. The management didn't even care when Oceane was harassing and doxxing gen 3, they let her do it for weeks even though they knew it was her and only stopped her when she started targeting Nene

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570612
Gen3 betrayed Kawaii
Don't try to make them look like victims

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570357
ironic pic because Nami literally change her timeslot to overlap with Mozzu after she went indie lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Kawaii has more graduations that active members. Maybe it's just not a good place to work for?

[Anonymous No.]

Hi kiwis and /same/fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571030
god women are disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570612
remember when Isla passed Nene during the poll for the center and Nene immediately started begging for more votes to get the center and rob Isla of her biggest dream, even though none of the girls did anything like that and just let it play out naturally?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571063
Nene carries the company by herself, her having more outfits is just fair.
Only lazy gen3 whores and their commie fans would disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571209
retard... Nami moved and it was planned months ago, she said she was gonna do it since her birthday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571370
Oh obsolutely. She's the only one who puts any effort into that dying company. The rest of the lazy whores in it could graduate tomorrow and nothing would change

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571526
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.]

Did another green chuuba mysteriously fall from a high story window?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571578
there can be only one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIKVwzZGWhw

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571306
let it play out naturally my ass
isla cant sing, she tried to emotionally manipulate people with the "uwu its my biggest dream i want to be an idol hehe" shit. Nene deserves the center

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
>Unspoken Nene favoritism
>A member actively doxxing other girls was given leniency for months before any action was taken
>Colleagues failed to give support because they were so heavy-handed with "company unity" that it looks like they were constantly taking the company's side
>Terrible business spending, no advertising budget, but once a month vocal lessons
>Any issues gen 3 had were immediately conveyed to earlier gens without their consent
>Use your talents as mouthpieces to bitch about how early management had to wake up to run their overseas-based business
>Further breach Gen 3's privacy by outlining their final meetings publicly, but just vaguely enough so Kawaii can look like they dindunuffin instead of a more neutral difference of interest statement.
PK is far off from being a black company, but they are incredibly amateur and it comes off that Gen3 had a better support structure in each other, any time they would lean on PK it would become a communal affair.
Lackluster Support + JP corpo hoops + poor cross-gen unity + bad budgeting + small startup company pls understand timescale = not much reason to stick around.
Only real negative here was from PK portraying their reasons for leaving so negatively knowing that NDA would stop them from sharing their own side of the story.
The real betrayal is that Nene will never release a sloppy paizuri asmr pack but has her fat fucking tits on screen all the time

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>>48571306
No I don't remember your weird fever dream delusions
Seek help

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>>48571063
anti-ing is anti-ing, whatever reasons, real or not, you have for it.
Beyond the outfits, which are tied to sub goals, your justifications have never been made on a public platform, so you're either inferring things (ie making them up) or you're getting it from someone's discord.

[Anonymous No.]

>successful "pickme" soft-menhera GFE vtuber
>founding member of the only EN small corpo putting some effort into bringing "idol culture" to the west
>mindbreaks EN indie roasties
You love to see it.
The only reason they don't go after Miori too is because she is too well connected in the industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48572276
Not even the big corps can muster "competent" management. I think tard wrangling 20-something women is a much more difficult task than it looks from the outside.

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>>48572492
faggot we literally watched the doxxers harass them in their own chats for weeks, the management didn't do anything about it until they went after Nene. They said in the announcement when Oceane got fired that the management knew about it and warned her like 10 times and let it continue for weeks instead of just firing her immediately.

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>>48572657
Just have them take a week off once a month, problem solved.

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>>48572736
>literally watched the doxxers harass them in their own chats for weeks
gen3 watcher here, that never happened.

To this day, no one knows where the doxxing happened or has any proof of it.
That's the main line of defense Oceane's fans bring out any time they try to reinstate her name, but of course Kawaii or the doxxed talents can't provide proof of them being doxxed without doxxing themselves in the process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48572876
the doxxing happened, we saw it, we talked about it, the girls about it, the management talked about it, they started putting the chat in members only mode because of it
stop trying to memory hole what happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>48572808
wasn't that part of what made the green actual whore from EIEN go nuclear recently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48573039
Stop lying already

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>>48573386
kill yourself oceane

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>>48573039
>we saw it
We didn't, the doxxing was never found.
Ask Oceane fans and they will tell you she was set up by gen3/Nene because "no proof was found".

The girls did talk about it and the condemnation of Oceane is probably one of the few things Gen3 fans and Kawaii fans agree upon.
Because the girls who are still in the company also said they got affected by it.

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>>48573073
She was nuclear before joining, chances are she's only so openly sexual because she's coasting by on crack and was riding on an impulse high when getting into vtubers before crashing into a shame spiral the minute she stopped to think about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48573535
>The doxxing was never found
Because Jannie's do their job sometimes, they were posted here a bunch before getting removed

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>>48573535
>Ask Oceane fans
why the fuck would I do that when we literally saw them in the chat? Oceane fans are obviously just lying to defend themselves.
I personally saw 2 of them, one was Isla's past life with a profile pic that was supposed to be her real face (it's not) and the other one was /b/omu for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>48573642
warosu exists

Other than THE old as fuck doxx, from before Oceane even existed, there has been no documented doxx on any Kawaii talent beyond the accidental self-doxx Airi (Peony) inflicted on Elia (Aletta) during a stream.

Even the recent Isla incident never made it to /here/ and was self-contained into private discords of deranged fans. Kawaii is actually dragging them to court over this btw.

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>>48573799
Oceanne is textbook menhara in all her mannerisms, I get anxiety anytime she responds to someone in chat, it's like she's about to redefine borderline personality disorder. She's definitely done some wild shit. I'll just settle for her tonguing out my ears and not give a shit.

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>>48573799
no shit, she isnt smart enough to find new info on the girls, they just spammed the old doxxes
there was a nene doxx thread that was up for more than a day, she got fired shortly after that

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>>48574208
Then only Nene would have said something about getting doxxed. Instead Gen3 and the girls left in the company said EVERYONE was doxxed.

You may say "well, they were forced to say it" but then it doesn't make sense why /same/ and the girls decided to still exclude Oceane, even though she was a good friend of Spica before Kawaii and they (Oceane and the buddies) both would have much to gain from exposing more "corpo lies" about Oceane getting set up by the evil mastermind Nene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48574601
kill yourself doxxane

[Anonymous No.]

>>48574601
If they didn't let her back in after departing then that should be enough of a red flag, stop supporting someone who blatantly doesn't deserve it or at least enjoy her in your own private hole if you can't look past your penis

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>>48574685
Nobody likes Oceane, but they take it on trust from both Kawaii and the gen 3 girls because they have seen behind the scenes stuff that incriminates her. Not because they attribute every chat message and 4chan post to her cabal of discord searoaches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
>quitting a company is a betrayal
The absolute state of kawaiikeks.
They're like holocucks with corpo loyalty, but without the numbers or pedigree.

[Anonymous No.]

>traitorfags are now siding with the doxxbitch to attack kawaii
Disgusting fucking 'people'

[Anonymous No.]

>>48575199
kawaii is a family

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>>48575234
Yeah a family in which most members seem to hate each other

[Anonymous No.]

>bully corp at it again
Good luck attracting talent lmao
Excited the next gen full of shees

[Anonymous No.]

>more graduations than active talents
>most members are low 3views
>barely any advertising
So why would anyone apply instead of either just staying indie or going for one of the more successful corps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48575459
it's their fault for not trying to fit in and having their own clique

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>>48575637
>>48575707
there is a spica livestream going on, watch that instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>48575707
definitely not for numbers, the girls say that themselves
kawaii is a small humble indie company and the talents are all really close friends. Join if you value that friendship and want to be a part of that group
>b-but if they're a family why did everyone leave
because they just wanted numbers, they left when they couldn't get that

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>>48575791
>Join if you value that friendship
>a corpo that shit talks you while you're under NDA, sullies your memory because fanart was posted in their hashtag, and deletes your shit with no warning
HOLY KEK

These platitudes are pure cope. Kawaii is a shit company to join and most talented indies understand now that if they do even the slightest research.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48575960
the girls who left were never their friends, that's why they left
kawaii is a family

[Anonymous No.]

>>48575960
>most talented indies
seething roastie alert

[Anonymous No.]

>>48575791
A more close knit sort of company is nice sure but at the end of the day it's still a job no?
All the vtubing corps take a significant cut of earnings, so there needs to be at least somewhat of a number boost to just break even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576109
it's not a job for any of them though, other than Nene they all have actual jobs and streaming is more of a hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576109
People calling any company a family is a huge fucking red flag for anyone who's ever held a job before. Toxic workplace and toxic management where you're not an employee but an unpaid contractor, describes Kawaii pretty well actually.

[Anonymous No.]

No company that allows the kinda shit they pulled post gen 3 graduation is a company worth working for. That shit retroactively justifies any actions they have taken. Fuck crabs, fuck the bucket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576091
Enjoy your gen composed of shees brother

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576228
>gen 3 graduation
gen 3 betrayal.
Don't worry we wouldn't want you in the company either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576374
You can't betray a company, only a total cuck would believe that

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576245
a literal troon would be better than 90% of western indies lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576451
so true sister, fuck these capitalist chuds

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576374
Why hasn't /pkg/ edited Aruru and Hana on there? Everyone who leaves the company is a betrayal according to Kawaii.

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>>48576164
That's an even bigger reason not to join then no?
If you just want to do vtubing as a fun hobby joining any company is inane and you'd be better served by just staying indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576564
You can already do vtubing as a fun hobby... By staying indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576564
>>48576605
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was agreeing with you.

[Anonymous No.]

You can tell production kawaii fans are either underage or maladjusted because any adult should know that a company pulling the "we're family" bullshit is raping their employees in seven different orifices with bad contracts and shit

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>>48576109
It's still shit to leave, burn bridge and just hurt the group that picked them out of audition, promoted them and gave them a chance. Kawaii has been too generous imo and it burned them too often.
> but muh ads
Ads don't guaranteed shit and many corpo committed in running ads, ran into other shortcomings as well. In my eyes, Kawaii proved that they delivered above average for a small corpo of that size. They prioritized investment into the idol project and 3d instead. They ran merch decently well. They aren't strict on content regulation other than having to deal with game perm. Sadly, things might change because they got burned too many times though.

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>>48576564
Then don't join, easy
They are not going debut a new generation anytime soon anyway, and even then it will probably be nepo hires.

Nobody forced Gen3 to sign the contract and they went thorugh audition, not scouting like the first generation.
Time and time again zoomer women prove themselves unable to read contracts.

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>>48576689
I don't trust gen 3 full of zoomers who never have a real job to have good judgement on a company being good or not.

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>>48576714
>Kawaii has been too generous imo
... with what?
3D and idol project were both crowdfunded. The only good thing they provide is the skeb funding. The merch is shit because it comes from Japan with tacked on shipping fees despite most of their fanbase being based in NA.
And yes, the fact they don't believe in digital promotion is the stupidest fucking shit I've ever heard.

Kawaii was shown to be incompetent in the past but the tribalism they have fostered with the points system and how they treated people who leave, makes them absolutely a black company.

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>>48576769
>>48576814
>muh zoomers
You don't have to be old to understand a company is a toxic place to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576006
All this family spam may as well have vin diesel join

[Anonymous No.]

If kawaii wanted long term members, maybe that should've been in the contract. Otherwise it just seems like they just got some girls trying to get their start/pad their resumes and make connections and make them do this shit long term like the gen 1 girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576564
Yes you have no reason to join kawaii if you want to become famous and rich, they've been very open about this.
Small corpo scene is filled with corpos like kawaii, the only reason to join them is the basic management support, shit like cover/skeb budgets and having genmates/senpais
>>48576814
Aletta isn't a zoomer and had a real job, Mozzu work in telemarketing
>>48577008
the contract had the 1-year minimum thing, they just let the girls go to not cause more drama

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>>48576963
In my experience old people are bad at understanding if a workplace is bad, they're total cucks for companies. Zoomers may seem picky but they value their labor, even the ones that are totally on board with capitalism.

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>>48577008
Mandatory employment/contract work is illegal because it is INDENTURED SERVITUDE. There is a standard business practice for there to be noncompete clauses, which are also bullshit but also not completely illegal, which is bound to change in the US at least.

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>>48577059
>Allow your employee contract short
>Complain about the cut contract that you allowed them to cut short on Twitter
This is somehow even worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577113
zoomers are lazy and entitled

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577059
>Mozzu work in telemarketing
lmao
from Norway? I know she is an artist and (bad) rigger since she almost scammed Coqui for a model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577190
they also didn't sue Neena or Oceane even though they had every right to do so

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577113
Abso fucking lutely. I wish I knew how to value myself more like that. Company loyalty is a relic from a time when company funded retirement or pensions.

Never trust a company that demands loyalty. They'll just takle advantage of you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577190
Only if you are retarded and don't know what loyalty and commitment is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577285
>I wish I knew how to value myself more like that
this is a woman or faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577271
They don't have a marketing or accounting department. You think they can afford lawyers? kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577195
No you just suffered a bunch of shit in silence and got nothing to show for it, zoomer behavior is how you wish you acted before you got raped by appraisals and clocked a shit ton of overtime for a promotion just to see the contract fall through and have to start from 0 again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577306
dogs believe in loyalty and commitment. and dogs are retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577285
Ok sister, SLAY.
be careful when you open your own company though, hire zoomers only and give them max benefits, if they wanna leave? don't cry about it, let's see how that works out for you!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577337
yet zoomers are the ones who have 20+ mental illnesses each

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577329
Keep deepthroating that boot, cuck, your boss's boss sure appreciates your contribution to his new porsche.

>>48577365
You want to attract talent? That's how you do it.
You want to attract Shees? Keep being a black company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577424
>You want to attract Shees? Keep being a black company.
I take this option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577424
>You want to attract Shees
Yes please

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577440
>>48577458
I will be celebrating when Kawaii dissolves then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577365
>Adopts a zoomer counterargument to own a zoomer
You're fucking beyond saving mate, you don't even have an identity of your own era to lash back with. Forget chatGPT you were made redundant the minute Zara the Zoomer figured out how to put blocks in the right holes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577480
Kawaii blooming like a beautiful flower right now, and in the future, you`ll have to wait a long time to celebrate sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571030
Whore, but that anon is fucking retarded for spending $100 to see some mid ass tits

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577411
>State sponsored legal highs after a 10 minute "analysis"
Enjoy your street pollen

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577523
>half the company leaves
>blooming
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576885
>with what?
Supporting the lazy gen3 whores
Nene is the sole reason the crowdfunding worked at all and they still stabbed her in the back

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577500
So true sister, let's go ahead, you know best!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48576885
Crowdfunding partially help with the 3d, not cover all of it. Beside, all vtuber corpo virtually run on fan's donation anyway. If 3d is so easy that a 100k can easily cover everything, many corpo's could have done it.
The point system is just there to encourage the talents to put in content. It's a bit of pressure but the alternative is not having anything and some just do the bare minimum like in Hololive. How is it tribalism if it's based individual's achievements. Kawaii itself bended on the digital promotion a bit, but even now very few vtuber corpo commit to digital promotion right now, and even those who do have varied degree of result. People always bring out how kawaii give so little support but then no other small corpo (other than idolcorp, which is somewhat shady in their money source) provide better support anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577597
Actually, you can thank Shiki. You can memoryhole everyone who leaves, but that will never change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569948
>>48571030
stop bullying the sloth

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577672
>thank Shiki
LOL, I do thank Shiki for her help, but it's just help, she is not the reason the project got funded, traitorfags are ridiculous oh my god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577597
>Crowdfunding
>Exclusive to gen 1 and 2's 3D
Behold the average retarded cloudtomo who cannot even look into the history of the company he blindly defends. Hide behind numbers like always, definitely doesn't make it look like you're seething from Nene's donathon barely scrapping past Gen 3's goals despite being the golden whores of the group.

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>>48577661
>The point system is just there to encourage the talents
then there's something wrong with the system if one talent got 4 outfits and the rest didn't even get their second outfits after 2 years. Not everyone can be Nene. The system itself is okay but they have unrealistic expectations
It's just as retarded as prism's membership system

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577424
Lol, kawaii has no issue attracting talents, just have hard time find ones that don't fuck them over to min-max their gain instead. Just make it easier for talents to pump and dump them don't solve the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577753
>deadling was nearing the end, with little to no progress, almost certainly bound to fail
>shiki comes in clutch with a loudspeaker that got enough eyes to get them to the finish line
Like I said, you can't memoryhole that embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577717
I will if she does more ASMR

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>>48577835
As I understand it the point system was actually a rebalance away from the previous system where Nene got everything because she was a runaway leader in terms of subs. Ironically that then counted against Oceane and Aletta who got a big subscriber count compared to the earlier gens.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that anyone in Kawaii that is not Nene is just working to pay for Nene's stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577835
Nene works the hardest and is rewarded for it
Gen3 barely streamed

[Anonymous No.]

>Zoomers ITT comparing vtuber job to a 9 to 5
Retards... this is no job with a fixed salary you can just hop on and off to whoever pays more, the vtuber is also the boss in this job, they get half the company profit, it's like the music industry, like a band, you don't join just for playing an instrument, you join to add to the identity of the band and create the music together, and YOU get you share if you become successful, you're half boss/owner, half employee in this scenario.
Zoomerniggers think you can only be employee, it's impossible for them to think about them owning anything they can only work for someone and take as much as they want from them, doesn't matter if it's profitable or not to the owners.

[Anonymous No.]

>but what about nooombers
>but what about making money

Western Indie Vtubers were a mistake.

Even ignoring the LGHDTV+ takes and general goyslop they regurgitate , the countless fake mentall illness they have and the "Vtubing as a OnlyFans spin-off" many of them do, there are thousands indies having menhera meltdown about "not making" it and blaming everything but themselves for their own failures.
Everyday on twitter there is a new EN indie crying about numbers or panhandling for money with irl pics. It's such a grift lmao

Most of them wish they could join a corpo and get a box to expand from. I bet all the /wvt/ roasties here applied for one small corpo at least once because they know how hard it is to make it as an indie, when you have to do EVERYTHING by yourself, even if they will never admit it.

Not even talking about the need for many of them to have someone actually tardwrangling them behind the scenes, like Pippa for example. Indies going on a menhera death spiral becaus of some retarded decision? Happens everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577889
Was over 90% funded by that time, stop lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577989
Kawaii would die without Nene, she's the only one who actually works. The rest doesn't deserve shit, Nene is paying for their cover and skeb budget

[Anonymous No.]

>>48578053
>SEA hours
>nonstop seethe about the west
Try taking the rose-tinted goggles off and look at your precious Asian vtubers with some clarity for once. They're not the angels you faggots make them out to be.

[Anonymous No.]

Riding my PK branded novelty sized dildo until I get an anal fissure to own the baka gaijin zoomers

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577989
The rest of the company basically doesn't stream
Nene is carrying them hard

[Anonymous No.]

>ITT people in their late 20s accusing people whose age they don't know of being shit because of the clickbait they read about the slightly younger people in their 20s being worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>48578212
>>48578153
you're too obvious troon, be more subtle about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48578168
I speak about western indie vtubers becaus that is the industry I know.
It probably happens in Japan too but I have no knowledge of that side of the industry on the indie level.

Nice deflection and "but [insert group] does that too!!", stupid woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577661
>all vtuber corpo virtually run on fan's donation anyway
They run on merch sales and donations.
>many corpo's could have done it
Many corpos have done it, without asking fans for 120k USD
>How is it tribalism if it's based individual's achievements
Because rewarding people based on a completely arbitrary thing like numbers makes them worse than /#/. Add to this that it makes them compete with one another for their viewership.
>even now very few vtuber corpo commit to digital promotion right now, and even those who do have varied degree of result
idolEN flew past Kawaii because they invested in their talents and promoting them
>how kawaii give so little support but then no other small corpo
idol, phase, eien, and now vreverie are now bigger than kawaii. They support their girls, aren't retarded about merch, and invest actual corpo dollars on promotions.

Now add to this, Kawaii's loss of half the talents as well as the shit talking they did for those who left? This is a sinking ship. You just don't know it yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577835
Oceane and Aletta already passed the point and both have their outfit in the making. Other gen 1/2 weren't that interest in pushing their number that hard. It's not as nearly dumb as the membership system from prism because membership is fucking a good form of monetary avenue that cost nothing and the corpo gatekeep their talents AND themselves from money is retarded. Meanwhile, something like new outfit cost money to make. It sort of makes sense for talents who successfully pushed for more number and income can get new outfit. It's not a perfect system and I wish that some gen 1/2 can get outfit without reaching the point system. However all gen 1/2 got 3d and 3d outfit so that's something they all got equallly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48578053
YWNBJ

[Anonymous No.]

>>48578232
dude most of the girls still can't reach 3 digit ccv without Nene raids
most of them only had like 5 fans show up for the meet and greet

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571063
Your logic is the equivalent of asking why chloe is the only member of holox to get a wish granted. It’s because these rewards are sub based if they reach 50 they’ll also make it

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>>48578049
>they get half the company profit
Are you seriously trying to make this sound like some sort of privilege?
lol
>it's like the music industry, like a band, you don't join just for playing an instrument, you join to add to the identity of the band and create the music together,
How the hell can someone be this naive about the most cutthroat industry in the world?

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>>48578284
merch sales are 0% profit, you tourist.
it's fan donations and ad sense.

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>>48578345
>How the hell can someone be this naive about the most cutthroat industry in the world?
Because they have never had a job.

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>>48578330
And the one who did fucked off at the speed of light when they saw they were better off without the Nene tax.

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>>48578345
Then don't join, if you don't need no corpo, be indie, easy fix for all your problems, now if you join to quit whenever, I'll call you the opportunistic backstabber that you are for the rest of your life.

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>>48578284
Only big corpo get 3d because their income dwarf the 120k from the kickstarter.
Merch sale isn't profitable until the corpo get really big number because small order is costly to make. Kawaii maintains their merch barely breaking even because they want to keep up the standard and maintain fan retention.

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>>48578526
Kawaii barely breaks even because their merch infrastructure is in fucking Japan instead of NA. Cuckshita could literally just move to Mexico and get better profits.

Also, those models clip so goddamn much. It's hard to believe they spent the full amount on them, I'm inclined to believe they pocketed a lot of that money.

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>>48578484
lol

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>>48578345
I mean, if you go into music expecting to make money you are retarded to begin with.
Any content creation/artistic industry is a massive gamble with 50/50 you make it or you die trying.

Vtubing is no different, I don't undestand why anyone would get into this industry AND expect to get somewhere.

Sure you can hope to make, believe you can, but to actually expect a return on your investement is retarded and the reason why some many indies quit after 2 months because they did not get numbers they like.

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>>48578656
>I mean, if you go into music expecting to make money you are retarded to begin with.
Same goes to vtubers, if you get money you're lucky.

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>>48578484
Maybe don't advertise your corpo as offering a profitable job and be honest about the fact that you will be basically working pro bono.

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>>48572276
NDA only comes into play if their reason for leaving is Talent based or management based. Doxxing, bullying, mismanagement and unfair treatment don’t fall under the NDA. You don’t have to keep information for a black company if it can help others not fall into the same trap. This means it’s entirely personal grievances, so money or effort which they could make a statement on similar to veibae from vshojo but then everyone would realize they’re petty and greedy. To be fair their issues could be model related which would fall under a NDA but most negative things like they were mad about 5am meetings (that’s a holoen thing sometimes) that wouldn’t be stopped because having to be up at 5am for a meeting is something people should know about when auditioning.

>>48572657
Holojp and Nijijp managers are for the most part reliable. A few holos have had mean personal managers but they still kept them on a schedule

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>>48578766
show me the advertisements, it's the opposite here, they all claimed to have watched the Neena video Nami made and that made them apply, and there Nami says with all letters, this is a small company and a passion project, don't join expecting to get huge numbers, can't be more clear than that.

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>>48578619
Their manufacturers are still chink factories. The only difference moving to Mexico is to ease the shipping cost, which might increase sale in NA, but I don't think that is enough for merch to be profitable yet. The audience base of kawaoii isn't big enough for merch to be profitable.

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>>48578852
>don't expect huge numbers
>get huge numbers
>company fucks you over for it
>leave the company
Gen 3 in a nutshell over it.

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>>48578766
they all get sit down and the contract is explained to them clause by clause, they sign it knowing full well how the company is, everyone know how it is in kawaii there is no secret.

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>>48578766
>advertising a profitable job
show me the ads about that, Kawaii barely gets ads about the talents themselves lmao

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>>48578901
>company fucks you over for it
citation need.

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>>48571271
I like how they also all now hate Yuri from Phase because they think she betrayed Phase and went indi

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>>48578901
>huge numbers
nobody tell her about Peony, Miryu and Sava...

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>>48578766
They don't. All of their advertising have been about the "family", song/skeb budget and the idol project. They constantly say that kawaii is a small humble company and it's not the right corpo for you if you want to get rich or famous
Gen3 leaving had nothing to do with that

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>>48578656
Of course entering an industry as volatile as music or vtubing is retarded as fuck, odds are you'll make little to no money and nobody will ever be your fan.
But if you're at least a little successful you quickly start dreaming of bigger things, bands want to play in large, soldout venues and vtubers want to have hundreds if not thousands of fans watching their streams. And if you're in the position to be at least a little choosy you'll pick a label/corp which can reasonably help you reach that goal, rather than one with which you'll just stagnate.
At the end of the day all entertainment industries are built on exploiting people who are naive, arrogant or just greedy, so there is no real reason to feel any particular attachment to the corporations involved, it's just business for everyone involved.

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>>48579028
You don't need to, if they did, they'd get screwed over just the same but it would be a long drawn out process.

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>>48579028
If they don't get number, it's the company's fault for not promoting them enough
If they do, then they worked hard for it themselves, and the company is literally stealing from them with the cut.
It's simple really.

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>>48579101
>it's the company's fault for not promoting them enough
For not promoting them at all, more like.

>then they worked hard for it themselves
Also true, if there's no promotion, then they only managed success through hard work and luck.

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>>48579101
this but unironically
all companies are evil leeches, stop being a bootlicker

[Anonymous No.]

>>48579101
ah so it's like playing odds or even, odds I win, even you lose.

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>>48579158
I fucking love Karl Marx!

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So the kawaii buisness plan is to just stagnate at 50 or so views and subsist off of an insane fan dropping 2000 to have a minute long discord convo every once in a while? I guess the gen 3 girls just shine too bright for such an apathetic company

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>>48579158
YES, also imagine owning a company, couldn't be you, right sister?

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>>48579246
They have a live3D concert in LA this summer.
"Idol Project" is the business plan.

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>>48579158
Exactly. Once the leech stops doing what you want it to do you put it back in the jar. Leeches should be grateful they even got fed in the first place

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>>48579246
Kawaii plan is to stream, simple as.
Don't want to stream, stay away.

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>>48579303
So a bunch of 2views can go get ignored while the companies golden goose gets cheered for in the center of the stage? Sounds really awkward, would not wanna be in that concert

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>>48579185
>pointing out the fact that companies only work towards their own self-interest is somehow communist
Work under capitalism is about compromise. If one side or the other is unwilling to compromise on issues they consider important, then the agreement between worker and employer collapses and work can no longer be performed. This is like business 101.

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>>48579246
their plan is to make cute girls stream and sing and dance while keeping them away from male chuubas and discord
the numbers aren't important, it's a passion project of a japanese man who loves idols with big tits

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>>48579343
Did you miss how they shit the bed with the 3D debuts? God, that was embarrassing. Imagine holding that as one of the benefits of joining.

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>>48579343
You would pass out from 1 min of singing and dancing anyway

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>>48579390
Your jealousy feeds my soul!

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From what I'm seeing it seems like the end goal of kawaii isn't to shine, but to be some guys passive income. It's basically a stabilized version of late stage tsunderia, every girl left languishing in mediocrity but it's only kept stable by the occasional show of flashiness from merch or a show that they paid the bare minimum for to keep the fans placated.

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>>48579384
>it's a passion project
No wonder he never puts in money but takes all the money

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>>48579350
you're on 4channel. Half these retards can't even take a shower. Don't expect any good business advice.

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>>48574208
>She’s not smart enough to get new info on her coworkers
You should really think before posting. Maybe she doxxed them maybe she didn’t. 4chan is not the center of the internet it’s not even the center for vtubers. They could have been doxxed on youtube, twitter, reddit, passing it around discords, putting it in their maros. It not being on 4chan is neither proof for or against it

>>48574851
The current theory is that they were jealous of her as woman tend to be. Think of it this way you’re an obsessed seafan seeing her get punished “for being better then them.” Explain to me why they would choose to cease all activity after she was fired instead of ramping it up. Oceanne was clearly distraught from it and clearly menhera. She didn’t go for any revenge at all. Put it this way she was fired and was sad about it they quit and are even happier. None of this makes you curious about the discrepancy in behavior

Watch how people move not how they speak

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>>48579390
I did in fact see a little bit of that, used to watch charzu around when that happened and it felt pretty underwhelming, like some indie messing around in a 50 dollar commissioned vrchat model

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>>48579390
I only watched Nene's debut but it was top tier

[Anonymous No.]

You'll never have it sisters.

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>>48579481
>some indie messing around in a 50 dollar commissioned vrchat model
That was exactly what it was. And they supposedly spent $120k on the models and assets.

>>48579573
I stuck through to the end. Almost didn't make it past Shee's debut because it was so terrible.

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>>48579582
Literal kpop fan behavior

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>>48579426
Lol, if that is the case then they wouldn't bother with shit like 3d and running an idol concert.
Tsunderia wished they could get merch and project going. They had much stronger and more driven talents who got good number by themselves as well. Literally every projects was half ass, delayed or cancelled.
Kawaii look like a well-oil corpo next to tsunderia

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the /pkg/ boogeyman muh sisters anyway? Why would boy band homo fans have any interest in a company aimed at straight men?

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>>48579620
Keep an eye out for July 1st.

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Watching sisters seethe about Nene who is better than them in every possible way both as a 3D woman and as a vtuber is really funny.

You are simply inferior and you can only cry about it on 4chan lmao

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>>48579620
>120k
You have to be lying to me right now, charzu's wasn't even on model. If they're this bad with their money no wonder they can't keep anyone

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>>48579620
Shee is really dumb with technology, pls understand.
She barely understand how to use her phone.

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>>48579692
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/productionkawaii/make-the-vtuber-group-kawaii-a-3d-idol/rewards

>¥16,069,128

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>>48579620
>>48579692
it was bad because of their tracking equipment, not the models themselves. Nene bought her own body tracking suit
Charzu used cheap equipment without full body tracking and her camera wasn't positioned properly because her room is small.
They'll have proper equipment for the actual idol project stuff since it's going to be in a studio and not their rooms

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>>48579711
Gee, wouldn't it have been nice for the company to provide tech support during this incredibly important event?
Oh, yeah, and how Reina's internet also shit the bed and she had to run to her neighbors to do her debut there?

It was definitely a passion project.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFvLEs-Mbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFvLEs-Mbg

give it more hate watch sisters.

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>>48579637
>Straight men
More like bent paypigs.

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>>48579761
This confirms it. The real issue behind all of pks woes is the budget being handled by an ape. Getting scammed this hard would make Miori blush, they've truly mastered the art of burning money

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>>48579838
The models had a shit ton of clipping, low res textures, and anchor problems. It was not just the hardware.

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>>48569858
>Kawaii bait thread on the catalog
Thank you sistars, time to shill.
I DO IT FOR FREE!

> "Forever Bloom" by Production Kawaii Idol Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFvLEs-Mbg

>[Original Song] "Touching Clouds" by Nene Amano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWMSFANFHwQ

>【2nd Anniversary Cover】FANSA by Isla Colemam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfZFxnO0jfI

> [Original Song] "NEXT TO ME" by Kawaii Production Gen1 EONIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhIA6sBhrBo

[Anonymous No.]

>>48579858
Kill yourself traitorfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>48577008
>>48577190
You’re not employing slaves a contract can’t force you to work the full year. It’s an agreement with 2 parties and either side can back out after taking on the consequences.

>>48577271
Oceane thing is dubious at best unless they have actual proof of her rm saying “spread this around”. They said they’ve seen discords of it but if it’s just her kawaii account it means nothing since management has access to it and she could have gave access to other members which is pretty normal. I’m not defending her but pursuing it legally would be very hard and if they lost she could do a counter suit since doxxing was the biggest part of her firing and the courts ruled against it. So very bad idea. After gen 3 leaving it does seem more like a setup though since the doxxing stopped after she was terminated. They could spam what they already have similar to how fags on twitter do holo/niji

>>48577333
You may not know this but most companies aren’t big enough to have multiple departments. A small time lawyer isn’t expensive as even a mcdonalds employee can afford one.

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>>48580069
>A small time lawyer isn’t expensive as even a mcdonalds employee can afford one.
Any sort of litigation, especially across international borders, is costly. Considering they're afraid to spend a cent on other more important shit they desperately need, you're a fool if you think them not suing the terminated talents was a "mercy". No, it was one of the very few smart business decisions they have done.

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If making a 3d concert in NA is so easy, especially with a 160k from a kickstarter, why haven't nijisanji done it yet. Surely they have more surplus budget than that.

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>>48580026
How's it feel to escape a general that is constantly on fire, only for the company to be pan seared in the bait thread?

>muh zoomers
>muh sisters
>muh /same/
It's pathetic and sad. I'm glad to have moved past it long ago, before Nene plateaued into having a shitload of dead subs despite her constant streams.

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>>48579101
>If they don't get number, it's the company's fault for not promoting them enough
While there is truth in this, there is only so much a corpo can do. Not every talent is going to be a 100K+sub 4view sensation. Some will be smaller and that is ok there is room for both.
With certain girls, the harsh reality is their content is trash and they have work ethic issues and that is why they don't improve. Look at Sava from Kawaii. I would also direct you to Yuri from Phase Connect cause there is no doubt in my mind when she starts streaming again she is going to start running her mouth about how the company didn't support /promote her when that is complete and total bullshit.

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>>48580360
Absolutely seething

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>>48580360
whatever you say, sistar

Thanks for the (You) on the shill post and remember to bump /same/ before they get archived

[Anonymous No.]

>>48580499
I'm bumping the bait thread now though. I think this thread represents the company a lot better than a bunch of cloudtomos rabidly defending their dead sub golden goose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48580499
Trying too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48580465
>>48580499
bro really posted twice to samefag himself

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>>48580454
>I would also direct you to Yuri from Phase Connect cause there is no doubt in my mind when she starts streaming again she is going to start running her mouth about how the company didn't support /promote her when that is complete and total bullshit.
If this happens I will forever anti her. phase connect gave her the same exact platform and utilities they gave lumi, and lumi lapped her 10 times over.

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>>48580729
I would argue Phase gave Yuri more.
They paid for Yuri to be animated in Moonshine promotion material ffs.
That never happened for girls like Lumi or Lia who both have grown considerably on their own. Lumi grew because her work ethic; Lia grew because he content improved. Now, neither of them are Pippa size but that is fine because they have demonstrated they have what it takes to grow, something Yuri never did because she was lazy and had a poor attitude.

Phase even gave Yuri a $4,000 computer as her severance package.

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>>48581036
I hope Yuri doesn't pull an anti. I hope she pulls a Neena and just moves on, no drama.

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>>48581036
She's going to join the /same/ girl groups lol

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>>48580454
>there is only so much a corpo can do
Kawaii refused to do literally any promotion at all until very recently. After the Kickstarter their marketing strategy was to just rely on word-of-mouth alone. Some of the gen 1/2 girls even ended up paying for advertisements out of their own pockets.
The thread was on fire for weeks because of that, but I guess most of the retards defending Kawaii right now haven't been around long enough to remember that.

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>>48579692
>>48579620
>>48579761
>Vtuber 3D models cost $1,000-15,000
They made 7-8 models, some commissioned worlds, and some accessories. That’s where all the money went. If you’re talking movement that’s entirely on the talent buying their own personal home 3D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571030
God I love whores now

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>>48580170
Japanese contracts and Japanese laws. Only real issue would be if their country helps uphold the ruling to make them pay. If kawaii is making anywhere close to what homojp brings in cover the company has a 6 figure revenue. Yes they could afford it.

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>>48581518
>If kawaii is making anywhere close to what homojp brings in cover
why would you think this is the case?
most kawaii girls still have around 50 ccv

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>>48581518
What make you think Kawaii is making anymore close to holostar jp. Even a weak holo brach still dwarf most vtuber out there.
>>48581315
Home 3d is usually iffy as fuck anyway

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>>48581236
Lua talks about paying for ads out of pocket all the time and how it does help to an extent. When have you ever seen Cover put out ads for bae, robocco, kaela, Marine, or Gura? They’re much bigger have an actual marketing department but they don’t do it. Kawaii was much smaller and couldn’t afford these things now they are bigger and can afford it

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>>48569948
I am one of the few people that still watches sloth, and do people actually find her attractive? None of her viewers or mods seem like groomers, and no one actually watches the weird GFE ASMR she puts out except bajiru cause she's weird. I have seen nobody simp for her either. She's like that disgusting niece that's always sad

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>>48581315
So, top of the line models right?
>15,000 x 7 = 105,000
>15k left for whatever

Except with the clipping, low res textures, and misaligned joints during motion, weird physics, these are not top of the line. At most, they probably payed ~$10k each.
>10,000 x 7 = 70,000
>50k left for whatever

This second more likely option leaves A LOT of wiggle room to pocket the excess, instead of helping the girls get better equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48581805
no, people paying for the girls to post nudes actually just get off to humiliating them

[Anonymous No.]

>>48581620
>>48581643
Well the obvious thing is there merch sales won’t be that drastically different. If kawaii can sell 500-1000 they’re performing as well to better than them. Supers/Streamlabs aren’t far apart. They were half their current size and was able to raise 120k usd while still having thousands donated to them personally a month. You’re overestimating the difference of 2 views and 3 views when neither of them are getting good ad sense. The money is mostly supers and then merch while you’re small

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>>48581844
The studio cost
Production cost (music and video) for the concert
Cost to rent a revenue in LA weekend
Plus they have another 3d model each with the casual outfit as well.
All of current the 3d models are being adjusted over time as well.

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>>48582029
Studio cost didn't exist. Production cost didn't exist either.

The kickstarter was for the 3D debut, not the concert. They are definitely using the donothon cuts to fund the concert. And there's no transparency there.

[Anonymous No.]

Sloth is very dumb but she's not a whore. She's probably going to be a 1 view forever because she lacks the social intelligence to entertain anyone. Collaging with the sloth isn't really a sign of whoreness by peony

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582109
nice headcanon

[Anonymous No.]

Nene is in this very thread and she won't post her fat fucking naked milkers for us
Life isn't fair bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571271
Care to explain how any of those posts are wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582109
What? Why wouldn't the 3d kickstarter money not going into the 3d concert.
How do you even know what Kawaii is spending money on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582127
>posted tits for 100 bucks
>not a whore
I mean, I'm sure she's not getting railed by random men but posting your tits online is still a whore behavior

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582165
Nene is streaming right now
Nami is probably here while watching korone playing apex

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>>48581844
2 out of those 4 are related to their home 3D which the talent’s pay for. You ignored the thousands spent on the virtual worlds for all of them. They paid for a gen song. And finally they have a concert coming up and you can’t rent venues for free. That leaves around 20-30,000 left in reserve. Business 101 don’t spend everything you make

[Anonymous No.]

>>48581844
>these are not top of the line
It's literally from the guy who does the Hololive models

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582234
She's just desperate. Who actually wants to see that, she's like a 1 out of 10 in attractiveness. Would I be a whore if I posted my ugly ass balls for $100?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582445
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582445
Makes you a prostitute who are by definition whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582203
... because the kickstarter was marketed to only pay for the models and assets. You can see in the kickstarter page if you have doubts. The concert was unveiled far after the debuts. Also, none of the funding was used to help talents purchase better equipment or to hire tech support, which would have made the 3D debuts astoundingly better.

>>48582280
see >>48582109
I agree some of the funding might have been used for the concert itself, but you are forgetting ticket purchases and other sources of funding, such as the donothons. They would never do a concert if there wasn't guaranteed profit.

>>48582351
Myth's 3D models are also shit, anon. They have the same issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48580026
Hmm. These songs are surprisingly good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582234
It's literally just tits, just binge eat and you can get those too.

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>>48581236
No one, not even the girls in the company right now ever said Kawaii was perfect.
They are in for the long run and have seen a lot of positive changes in the 2 years the have been at it, with a lot still to work on.

Gen3 wasn't willing to grow with the company and left. While the walkout did damage the company I think it it was something within their rights to do. Kawaii should have probably put some safeguards for that eventuality, a woman-centric business is a snake pit after all.

What's undeniable is that Kawaii literally made their career as vtubers, minus Sava, Miryu and Oceane to some degree. As shown by gen3 girls panhandling for $4,000 to get a new official model as indie, the barrier of entry to get a model on par with the quality that Kawaii provided is simply unattainable for upcoming, never before seen, vtubers. Unless you have 4k to spend like that, with 0 guarantees for a ROI, you are simply not going to get that quality, which also means you are not going to get many eyes on you for visuals alone.

Another thing decently well known small corpos, like Phase, Prism, Kawaii, provide is a baseline viewerbase that you can build up according to talent and luck. Indie wish they could have a baseline out of the gate, without languishing in the 1view-low 2 view range for weeks, months and even years. This goes back to the previous point because the wayward gen3 is even able to ask for $4,000 as a debuting indie because Kawaii put them out there and let them catch some whales. You can't drain groomers if the right groomers with deep pocket don't even know you exist.

"Well, but they earned it"
Sure, but at the same time, could have they got to the same level of notoriety they have now WITHOUT Kawaii, in just 8 months?
>Sava was Gezu, shilled on /wvt/ but otherwise unremarkable numbers
>Miryu was Spica, a literal who vsinger on twitch
>Oceane was Melody, a literal who singer on twitch
>Aletta was a literal who TFT fleshstreamer on twitch who hosted tourneys
>Peony did not even exist as a vtuber before Kawaii
And they got paid while at Kawaii so it's not like they traded a career push in exchange for money. They got both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582351
Also a lifetime contract and extra outfits like the original outfits who are being released next month, all we saw so far was home 3D, will look the best in the studio for the concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582607
>Myth's 3D models
no, they got the guy who did the 3d models of some holo JP, I think Gura is the only EN he did
he did kson's 3d model too

[Anonymous No.]

>>48583024
it's Pomp-chou, he did
>Korone
>Aqua
>Noel
>Towa
>Rushia
>Coco
>Matsuri
>Polka
>Gura
>Kson

[Anonymous No.]

>>48580026
god Nene's singing is so shit, her rap part ruins forever bloom

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571306
Nene deserves the center, she's the face of Kawaii
no one cares about Isla and her SEA accent ruins the songs

[Anonymous No.]

>>48583369
it's SOVL only meant for cloudtomos, normal people will never be able to understand it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48583369
It's sad that the vocal lessons haven't really helped that much. She has more control over her voice and breathing, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48583599
"You don't understand, this restaurant sold you a turd on a paper plate because its hecking SOVLFVL"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48583559
Hi Nene
Show us your goods you damn succubus

[Anonymous No.]

>>48583959
she does, in her RM's account

[Anonymous No.]

>>48581805
>She's like that disgusting niece that's always sad
Who, what and where. I need her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
Is Peony safe for a unicorn?
I caught her streams a few time when she was in Kawaii, and she seemed to be exactly the type I like – submissive and homely, if somewhat boring, GFE girl. Didn't watch too much of her, but she seemed to be the one EN I could actually stick with.
Should I follow the new account, or are there yabs I should know about (besides collabing with some whore)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584021
she's german and she's in college

[Anonymous No.]

>>48582881
>Gen3 wasn't willing to grow with the company and left.
Is the company growing at all?
Nene is the only one who seems to really be inclining, besides her it's mostly just stagnation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584021
>league player
>open dms to paypigs
>plays games with VC on
>Akane personal whore.
>first stream is with a turbo whore
you tell me

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584057
Germans are actually some of the most reserved Europeans when it comes to sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584021
>already groomed by a big whale
>indie vtuber
>german and in college
it's a 50/50

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584117
Nene would be the 7th highest ccv girl in phase connect fwiw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48572040
>isla cant sing
Neither can Nene

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584057
German college can be anything from partying 24/7 to never showing up at all and being at home all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584244
obsessed

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584021
She's an indie now, which mean she is free for all for the discord groomers, and gen 3 left with some of the biggest discord groomers backing them. I wouldn't touch that for gfe but you do you

[Anonymous No.]

>>48570671
true, Riifu was whore and a threadshitter too

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584117
Kawaii efforts are in the Idol Project right now.
Only Nene is a full time streamer, the others have jobs and do this as a side gig. Slow growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584129
>>48584171
Sad…
I just want to find 1 (uno) feminine English-speaking girl who regularly streams, does GFE and is yab-free, but it seems fucking impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584007
kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584222
Phase kinds grew off Pippa's viral marketing. That did work but I don't really want Kawaii to grow that way. It's just not my type of content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584349
try Kilia, she is Riifu but good

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584349
best bet is still Kawaii, at least you know management wants them to be yab free and have rules about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584244
Nene has enough charisma to carry her
Isla not so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584007
I don't remember hers, too fucking many to keep track, and I also don't believe you.
I would be pleasantly surprised if so.
Beautiful woman Nene, fucking insane but very hot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584349
Well, Kawaii has better GFE than Peony in the first place. Peony is kinda plain, but she's peak submissive if you are into that kind of thing. I think Shee is more feminine and upbeat while Lua is more sultry (but old lol)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48573799
Qrd on the Isla incident?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584509
she's a cosplayer, it's common knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584281
Fuck you don't insult my wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584556
SEAniggers on discords looking up her IRL, while pretending to be long term fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584514
Yeah, I don't mind plain or boring, even prefer it that way, I just want a really submissive feminine girl, that's why I liked Peony.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584276
You're reply makes no sense. The post I'm replying to references both Isla and Nene. Quick question, how much money have you given to Nene?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584616
>pretending
She said in her own statement that they were long term fans, there's no pretending involved

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584670
Doxxers aren't fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584349
Ironically, the only girls that fit this bill aren't unicorn friendly. Girls that have nothing to hide and willingly collab with men but manage to not make it a big deal have nothing to hide

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584556
Isla got doxxed by her retarded fans (from SEA) who think having, flexing and sharing "secret knowledge" is cool and makes you superior fan.

It never made it outside of their own private discords but apparently they got stuff that wasn't even online, actual stalkers lmao
At least Kawaii is pursuing them legally for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48581112
>>48581112
>I hope she pulls a Neena and just moves on, no drama.
he doesn't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584654
5k dollars, and more. Also, I love Isa, she and Nene are friends and love eachother.

[Anonymous No.]

>internal tribalism where everyone who isn't Nene is untalented and irrelevant because muh "only nene!!!"
unironically is this normal in /pkg/ or is it some falseflagger in the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584714
They still run the discord and those are the True Fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
That's perfectly normal for /pkg/, I'm not even kidding

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
falseflaggers, /pkg/ actually makes fun of Nene, and cloudtomos especially, quite a bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584761
Your words make no sense at all.
Lua fits the bill perfectly, Nami, Shee and Nene fit the bill almost perfectly, all of those are unicorn friendly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584770
Wow, that is beyond retarded. Hopefully she's okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
it's normal, cloudtomos are loud and retarded. they hate every non-kawaii vtuber too and consider them whores
the rest of /pkg/ is okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584938
>Can't recognize obvious falseflag.
anyone shitting on Isla is just a Traitornigger gaslighting, and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
Yes it's extremely common. Even Kawaiifriends who have done nothing wrong get called whores in that general. It's a cesspool

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
Just ask yourself, with all these shitters going after Nene, would any Cloudtomo go after Isla, her genmate and friend? think anon, think....

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584772
Oh goddamn, what now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
its normal not often cucktomos got chased off to dicsord only when something happens they come back

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584953
Depend if you want like a super submissive, young, and "quiet" girl or not I guess.
Shee is more like peak "girl next door" who is extremely feminine and force you to listen to all of her girl talk and girl-centric media
Lua is the OL hag vibe, who can hold great conversation due to having more life experience
Nami is the sassy "reformed tumblr nerd" who will go on autistic rant about her hot takes, video game obsession, and baking lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585042
>Traitornigger
Holy rent free.That shit has been going on for far longer than gen 3 has been around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584870
most posters are normal but cucktomos are obnoxious and shit on everyone because of the "only Nene" rule. Nene is extremely jealous and doesn't want cloudtomos to watch other vtubers so they just shit on them

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584953
only nene does the other dont do gfe but wont collab with males on stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585368
so it's like the kiki pyon shit then?
it's always the gfe chuubas and gfe fags, they're all menhera and mentally ill

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585226
>Depend if you want like a super submissive, young, and "quiet" girl or not I guess.
I do. Please point me in the right direction,

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585563
I think Airi is trying to move away from that image and going for a bolder character, if the collab with the /trash/ whore and redesign was any indication

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584397
To be fair, after Pippa and Tenma, the drop off in CCV is huge for Phase talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48573799
You forgot Charzu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585627
Guess I'll have to find an alternative now. "Bold" is the last thing I want in a girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585663
>and Tenma
lmao. Tenma is not in Pippa's league.
Shiina and Lia and closer to Tenma than Tenma is to Pippa.

Shiina and Lia are 200-300 away away from Tenma. Tenma is literally 1000+ away from Pippa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585663
Yea, but the exposure from the shit Pippa do still guarantee a baseline 150 ccv even for the lower end girls (except the jp).

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584772
What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585563
It's not hard to find the submissive type, but the quiet type is kinda hard because it's a vtuber after all, and you wouldn't find girls who can barely talk clearly to the mic.

[Anonymous No.]

>Company helps you start out so they own you forever
You are unironically the union fags of vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585150
Shiki especially suffers from that

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585663
you are out of your fucking MIND. You know we can fact check this stuff, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586012
dont mind him. Tenma & Luminiggers take turns every month to see who can pretend their oshi is a 4view and is "the real #2 in Phase"

There IS NO #2 in Phase. Only #1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48569858
her friend just opened memberships btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxSgGZDFwg

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586011
The shiki schizo was some ex-shiki fag who jumped onto new gen 3 ship when they debut. I never saw anti-shiki shit until gen 3 and it's also gone when gen 3 is gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586129
Come on guys, let's get scammed! (again)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585913
I just don't want someone Kiara-like in their obnoxiousness (no shade towards the KFP, she's just not my type).

But submissive & yab-free seems to be an absolutely dead zone for Western vtubers, they just seemingly can't help themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586251
she only scammed that retarded german paypig and a /wvt/ whore, I don't have a problem with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586313
watch spica

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585793

old model >>48569858
Pic related is the concept for the one she will be using as an indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48585663
to further make >>48585812 's point.
kanapiniki in the mud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586313
Lua has the most nuanced take in kawaii imo and has a very pleasant and relaxed demeanor.
Her recent drinking stream is one of the best zatsu stream imo and you can jump any part and get completely drawn into the conversation
https://www.youtube.com/live/HHyB8c0wKMM?feature=share
Shee is also very sweet and cute but get a bit sassy in a cute manner. She's the traditional cute in every sense. The filter with her is that she WILL groom you into listening to her talk about shit like tiktok, twilight, and shitty reality TV but some consider that to be peak GFE. If I have to compare her personality to someone in Holo, it would be Irys buy less yabai(and they are both dumb lol)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48584021
Yes but kawaii fags that think you need a no males rule to be unicorn safe will say otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586251
seethe about it more maybe me

[Anonymous No.]

>>48587084
Ironic coming from them given Nene's past life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586251
calm down coqui

[Anonymous No.]

>>48586690
Thanks anon, I’ll try Shee. I’m used to listening to my JP oshi rambling about terminally unfunny manzai combi she likes to watch, so her brand of bullshit will probably fit right in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48587457
Doxxshit doesn't matter retard

[Anonymous No.]

>335 posts
>47 IPs
I love sorting by reply count just for schizothreads like these. At least I got to see some free tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48571030
Ugly as fuck tits, can't believe /trash/ paid 50 bucks for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48588097
This is your brain on anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>48588143
No, this is my brain on good real life tits.
Those are sad and floppy fatbags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48588097
>can't believe /trash/ paid 50 bucks for this
>he doesn't know about the puri.fy threads
Oh to be young and innocent again...