They literally killed HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

And no amount of cope can remotely deny it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
The ones that were affected self destructed

[Anonymous No.]

Barely affected my oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
>HoloEn
no
>HoloStars EN
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Good, fuck those whores lmao

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN killed HoloEN.
The lack of caring, the lack of streaming, the lack of effort. Doesn't matter if they stream long hours either, if the game choice is dogwater, they might as well not have streamed at all.
Each girl is guilty or some significant issue that, collectively, has resulted in the branch taking a headlong dive into the dirt. No one is innocent, though some members are less guilty than others.

The only thing Tempus did was accelerate the decomposition of an already rotting branch.

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>>48218421
>Kronii
>-33,72%
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
>>48218713
Both did

Think HoloJP, every time something bad happened and their fans lost something, HoloJP released something new so fans never felt that they were losing more than they were getting, so graduations, terminations, someone like Ayame or others to less extent being absent didn't make them lose momentum

HoloEN fans only loses things and gets less and less despite their dedication and high investment both in money and time, Tempus was something for pretty much an entirely different fanbase, this is killing momentum. But fools will come and say how they totally don't need EN3

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>>48218421
>deleted
meidos don't like that it seems

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>>48218349
Is this a social experiment?
Reposting the same thread with gradually harsher wording, just to compare the traffic they rake it?
Are we eventually gonna get a long-form prose poem about how Tempus were a metaphysical psyop by 8th dimensional Cthuljews to suck the soul out of vtubing on a conceptual level?

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>>48218349
>holospy fucks around with internet drama
>niji hires eight spies to destroy the company from inside
>tempus3 will release before live3
>tempus4 will release before live3
>tempus5 will release before live3
>operation vshojo is is progress
>you will watch nijisanji

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>>48219003
>But fools will come and say how they totally don't need EN3
4 failed en groups, surely another will help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219245
for you maybe, but where it matters the most: money, they weren't at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218421
>[Deleted]
kek, krocuck and cuckbeat meidos hate it

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>>48219245
Why the fuck is this not the prevailing wisdom?
Demanding EN3 out of love for the product provided is one thing but here it's always "UH HoloEN is so SHIT gimme MORE".
Besides; All of Myth hit 1mill subs in less than a year. None of Council have in almost 2. What business incentive is there to just dilute the brand further if the momentum already experienced that severe a drop off? This ain't Nijisanji. The JP side dropped from 3 gens per year to 0 too once the roster's size hit a sweet spot.

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[citation needed]

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>>48219962
Bullshit. EN (girls) only has 10 members. JP is better only because it has 3x that amount, and it took until they had 20+ members to really hit its stride. EN now is equivalent to JP when they only had 10 members. I'll take Mumei, Fauna, Gura, IRyS, Bae, Ina now over Hololive in summer of 2018 with its 10 members that consisted of *checks notes* Mel, Aki, Roboco, Sora, Matsuri, pre-schizophrenia Haato....

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>>48218421
Is this the difference between the average CCV?
Damn Kronii got fucked lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Shit-talk Tempus all you want but here's a fact: You can't get cucked if you only watch the men like you watch any other streamer/YouTuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220755
Nice try homobeggar, still not watching your homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220755
I don't need to watch your boring faggots because my favorite male streamer on Twitch is thousand times better than them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219245
>4 failed en groups
I can't take EN bashing seriously when folks simp for much bigger whoring on the JP side (but it's okay when they do it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220844
>>48220863
I'm not shilling for Tempus specifically you retards, of course they're mediocre af.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220864
>simp for much bigger whoring on the JP side
Who?
Towa....

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
They indeed did. Even if they would disband the male branch, the reputation of the EN branch will never recover.

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>>48221010
Just Marine and Noel outlewd all HoloEN combined. On top of many others who also collabed with males, or openly talked about past relationships, or are in one now, or just go 'haha sex butt titties'. Sure, Towa's case is well documented, but man, she's not even top 10 here....

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
HoloID Gen4 is going to evicerate all of HoloEN. And not even an EN3 can save it. Chumbuds will be around for a while. But for EN there will be no incline. Game over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48221010
Towa’s only “whore” behavior is playing with males and even then she does nothing whorish or engages in anything that can be called that.

[Anonymous No.]

Y'all are such drama queens. Just watch streams or do something productive in the downtime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
They're the only ones streaming in EN most days. That's the issue. Most of us have moved on to indies, jps, small corpos etc. HoloEN is last year's news. Only normies are still watching it or nijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219141
It failed. I now watch the jew corp

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>>48221441
This is a gross exaggeration. Most of the JPs follow the rules, few toe the line and even fewer are unwatchable like Matsuri. Towa filtered out her unicorns early. That's how she survived and it shows why she can't keep up with her peers. The rules apply to virtually all of them, save Fubuki.

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>>48221441
Holy retard
Marine is very tame she's just talk not act and all you can say about Noel is what she does on her roommate account (I don't think you want me to start talking about ENs roommates so stop mentioning it)
Then the only members in JP who talked about her past relationships is Choco, yet I agree for Towa

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>>48218349
it's hilarious to me that these boneheads at cover saw that the western vtuber industry is in decline, and instead of introducing a new female gen to help invigorate the community, they gave us these assholes

[Anonymous No.]

Tempus SAVED holoEN.
Thanks to them Fauna and Mumei inclined so hard.

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>>48222060
Jew corp has the same brainrot as holoEN, watch production Kawaii

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220755
except they're not normal streamers, they're pretending to be anime boys which is super gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>48221904
>just watch streams
Did you forget where you are? No one here watches streams. At best they watch clips and coom to fanart

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219245
>>48219962
myth's success is due almost entirely to gura, if you take her out of the equation, council did about the same as myth, most of council generally performs better then the average member of myth now a days as well. And besides if you wanna play the "JP stopped releasing members when they hit their sweetspot" cope, then you should also bring up the fact that they had over 20 members by the time they slowed down... and even after slowing they had a new gen once a year for the most part

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>>48218421
>Deleted
Cuckbeat meido is the most pathetic faggot of all time. Imagine white knight this hard. Everyone can see her current numbers. Was struggling to get 2k yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

who cares its just anime streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>48221904
>watch streams
>holoEN fans
They still have nothing better to do than bitch about Tempus all day nearly a year after debut because the girls all hate their fans too much to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
No they killed Luxiem

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219114
Please understand, we need to deflect from Vshojo losing two of their chuubas in the same day and protecting Ironlung and Froot's goodwill from Silvervale's evil resentment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222331
>Fauna and Mumei inclined so hard
No one outside of the vtuber fanbase has any idea who either of those two are dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222861
>2k
HaHahahahahaha

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>>48222791
>crying homobegger
Get out, homobegger. Get the absolute fuck out. You faggots infest every thread you're in and then complain in the one thread that's sole topic is to complain about you. Absolutely retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
don't care, watch VCR Rust you fucking pansy-ass faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219245
>made china cope
No matter how many you buy, all of them will break right away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222969
struck a nerve there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
The only thing that killed HoloEN was that most of the talents treat their fans like shit. Fauna, Kiara, Bae, and Mumei are the only ones who actually don't regularly shit on their fans or treat them like they are only good for their money.

[Anonymous No.]

>seethe thread
Did your shark waifu abandon you again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Make this thread again when HoloEN has a mass graduation. A thread died for this recycled garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223006
>jerks off to anime men
>calls other people faggots
So true, “sister”!

[Anonymous No.]

>western women are lazy as fuck
>whole branch became irrelevant due to lack of streams
>japs and seanig branch are still going strong
>blames the faggot ridden branch

Sasuga holokeks!

[Anonymous No.]

Tempus failed to bring new audience
Tempus failed to prevent the fans from leaving.
Brought division within the fanbase.
Yeah they killed HoloEN but management and Girls are also responsible for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223507
>>>>>>Jerks off to men
Projection much? Why is this the first thing to a trannycorn's mind I'll never know

[Anonymous No.]

>55 posts
>35 IPs
Holy samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223062
It's more of general feeling of disdain but you can call it whatever you want. Just get lost retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223732
I liked magni when he used to be a professor but his Holopro content is boring as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222969
>Sperging out
Kek stop crying already that's faggot behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223507
You have no one but to yourself to blame if you can't tolerate and witness a normal discussion between two of the opposite gender, and instead you resort to project like a fucking tranny in desperate need of some estrogen, Sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223822
Well it's obvious you didn't even before he was Magni.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
HoloEN killed themselves by not having any interesting events like actual hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223936
So true, “sister”! I also love jerking off my girlcock to my oshi getting railed on stream by 4 blacks and making those unicorn incels seethe! I absolutely despise my beloved Vox ever interacting with a female, however!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223732
Why is /mans/ filled with gay fan fiction shipping their favorite homos together most of the time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222386
Only for them to nuke an entire gen? No thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224072
y-y-you not suppose to mention that...

[Anonymous No.]

>still projecting

[Anonymous No.]

Can I get some solid numbers from the /#/fags in thread for the next time I argue with people on the topic? I know there is probably numbers to prove it. I just don’t care enough to go find them myself, but I’m sure someone does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224432
Enjoy

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>>48218349
HoloEN did that to themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
But that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224072
Nta but fujos breaking their containment caused male anons to leave /mans/. How come allegedly straight unicorns always think like >>48224060

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
>They literally killed HoloEN for MEEEE REEEEEE
FTFY

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224072
The same reason why girls centric generals have yuri ships and fanarts in them

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224656
What happened at the end of January bump across the board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223863
>watches grown men in anime avatars
what did you just say to me retard

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>>48218349
They didn't kill them, they just cured people who were too deeply invested emotionally to stop watching girls that are at best background noise streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop sperging out and watch Mori: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKXc7wyuq3M&ab_channel=MoriCalliopeCh.hololive-EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48225292
So true sis

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>>48224829
for HoloEN? that was offcollabs in Japan and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48225444
why in God's name would I do something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
>They literally killed HoloEN
HoloID*

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224947
He said "Kek stop crying already that's faggot behavior." Hope this helps

[Anonymous No.]

>>48225573
It goes to show how little cover understands their target market. They’ve been pushing holostars hard in the indonesian market… but indonesia is infamous for being incredibly homophobic

[Anonymous No.]

>>48223687
The numbers haven't actually changed much or at all pre- and post-Tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

You're right Anon, in the same way you should replicate and backflip off that highrise building.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48225825
theyve gone down and are at their lowest lows theyve ever been since Tempus which isnt saying much because theyre still some of the biggest EN vtubers on the market. But declining is never a good sign

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>>48224656
>jp in perpetual incline
>en in perpetual decline
Skill issue. Grow a talent instead of relying on being cute

[Anonymous No.]

>pulling in the biggest numbers by far in the EN market
>this is failure
Why should anyone take anything you retards say seriously? No one is going to watch your 3view shitter small corpo. Your indies will die within 2 years, having wasted all their time as a 3view shitter not developing any real-world skills and not making enough to build a financial nest egg because your poor dumb ass couldn't superchat enough.

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>>48225805
How hard? I'm not seeing them doing Indonesian streams

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>>48225968
They have not you stupid fuck. That's the problem with you braindead numberniggers. The foundation of your analysis is utterly WRONG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48226059
explain it to me then how it is wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48226107
As soon as you punctuate properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48226134
so no explanation? At least the numberniggers are kind enough to provide charts between their esl ranting about male vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
>5 hugless virgins have been seething for half a year
> Everyone else is having a great time
>(You) How could they have ruined everything for everyone!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48226193
>everyone else
Is that why their viewership is so low? Because everyone loves them so much?

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly? Cover could have recovered from this blow, but men are retarded and decided to spam collab with the girls, as if female unicorns/gachikois didn't exist, plus they basically were the downfall. It doesn't help that they announced Tempus 2 in less than a year while the most popular EN girls lost the drive to stream and Kronii, the one with the most parasocial followers, basically spat on their fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
I don't blame them for Covers fucktarded decisions.

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>>48226169
You lazy cunt. Just go back on their streams and see historical max CCVs. Except for Mori and Kiara, everyone is basically maintaining their CCV pre- and post-Tempus. I'm even really trying to drive the point for your dumb ass here by using Kronii's numbers like 2 months post-debut as the pre-Tempus numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220755
I watch Tempussy too Magni and Bettel to be exact, but I fcking prefer same-gender collab than Homo collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48226753
> SC reading before 5k
>SC reading now 2k
Huge drop

>hand picked to fit narrative
>didn't post old Karaoke numbers
>didn't post indie games getting 10k almost every time before tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>48226753
What site shows CCV?
Call me newfag tourist whatever

[Anonymous No.]

Holostars jp didn’t kill Hololive jp. It’s not the fault of Holostars EN but the management and the girls.
Seriously, the same shit that happened with the girls has happened with the boys. None of them make creative streams anymore. None of them make their own content besides game streams. They get denied permissions for the most basic of basic things. It’s management wearing them down the same way they did the girls.
You can’t fix this with EN3. The same thing will happen.

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>>48227193
I just picked random spots. You're the one trying to nickel and dime numbers trying to fit your own narrative. And again because it bears repeating, numbers on the left is about two months right after debut. TWO MONTHS.

>>48227292
No.

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>>48227292
There are a bunch of links in /#/, hololyzer for example is good

[Anonymous No.]

Everytime i see 4chan complain about en3 or en in general i laugh. There is clear evidence right now that the market is saturated and the interest for english vtubing in general has declined and it has jothing to do with the talents. Its because 1) english audience in general go with fotm. 2) more and more people are being called for rto, lesser remote jobs means lesser time to watch idly

At some point in en3 same people who clamor for them will abandon them and call for en 4.

Also those people pointing to kobo' s "success" oh please she cant even touch gura's normal mc stream numbers on her freaking 2m sub milestone stream. #deadsubs ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>48227342
> two months right after debut
hell no, the Kronii Bae Collab was just before Tempus, that was almost exactly a year after debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>48227341
The members themselves may not have killed it but youre right that its management problem. The way EN management handled their release, and their retarded strategies have damaged any good will people will ever have toward the EN stars. Pretty much anything they do, especially interactions with the girls will always be taken in bad faith now. Even things that would have otherwise been acceptable like axel being in that one vocaloid cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48227686
Dude, what's your problem? You're arguing against hard-coded digital date stamps and saying reality is false. What am I supposed to do with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Despite hating Tempiss, you can't deny that the ones to blame are actually HoloEN (Myth in particular. At least CouncilRyS are trying but Myth are a bunch of mediocre streamers)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
HoloEN was killed not by tempiss, but by faggotry+incompetent management and tempiss. This combo also killed anything good that Tempus 2 could have.
also, why are male vtubers and their community so shitty in general?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48228607
Partially because if a male streamer has to resort to vtubing its a sign that theyre not very good generally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48227866
>>48224656
Most of them had the same issues before tempiss, but still continued to incline. Perhaps releasing two gens of homos back to back with no en3 in sight drained a lot of interest away from holoen. The likes of Kronii and Ame jumping fully in the homo wagon and management going on and on about "holopro en" didn't help either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
The blow would've been softer if the 2 Canadians could've sucked up their pride and gave a half hearted, 'mommy still loves you' to their paypigs

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Yeah, at this point it's just a question of how to get revenge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48228607
>why are male vtubers and their community so shitty
This is rich coming from the holoEN community, which might have the worst fans I've ever seen. It's one thing to be obnoxious and cringe, but obnoxious, unfunny, whiny and needy all at the same time...No wonder the girls don't want to stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218713
>EN vtuber market is declining
>HoloEN numbers declining
>Cover delays EN3 to promote Tempus
>HoloPro collabs and projects are heavily encouraged by management
>Tempus 2 debuts with management already posting auditions for Tempus 3
Blaming talents for these decisions is the equivalent of blaming fast food workers for a decision made by the CEO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48229161
The answer's simple: you can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>Vesper
The one I watched the most for the literally me vibes, great zatsudan streams early on but he spammed too many of them too often and ended up having to resort to reading every superchat and letting them dictate the shit he talks about and the pacing of the entire stream. Good taste in video games but he's too autistic for his own good, whether it was refusing to play games he wasn't already good at early on, or deciding he wants to be a marathon streamer so now he's missing for half of every week and then he comes back with some bullshit 24 hr VOD where half of it is unwatchable because he's running on fumes and saying a sentence every 5 minutes. The suspension into Japan menhera arc didn't help either

>Magni
Funny and creative and shit but unfortunately not so much on the fly which is a major weakness for a streamer. His special prep time streams are cool and all but his solo bread and butter gaming/chatting streams were pretty rough, you could almost hear the gears grinding in his head as he tried to come up with ways to fill the dead air while playing some shit game even he didn't care about. Great collab partner with the relatively few people he had real chemistry with, which were basically Vesper and, tragically, Mori.

>Axel
Seems like a really cool dude but his content's just not good, I have no idea what type of content he's even going for outside of the music shit. He had his crazy VN reactor stint which kinda died when he went to Japan, his Apex content outside of the vsai tournament arc is kinda shit because he malds too easily, his zatsudans are not bad but he needs to find a second thing to talk about other than his high school dating life or whatever. Just kinda aimless as a content creator despite seeming cool enough as a dude in general.

>Altare
The weak link of tempus1 by far, boring, 0 appeal if you're not a woman or faggot who's into the soft spoken permanent ASMR voiced korean eboy shit. This nigger's hobbies are eating food and going on walks. His favorite pokemon is Pikachu. He has absolutely nothing going on character wise other than a mid 2000s forum poster bit where he says something """weird""" and then goes "wait did you hear that?? ahah no don't worry I didn't say anything ahah I swear I'm not an evil psychopath ahah" and he tries to pull this off 100% unironically. 0 chemistry with any of his genmates. The only time you'll hear anyone bring him up is in the context of gay shipping or as bait.

I had already kinda tuned out by the time the second half of tempus debuted but
>Bettel
Obviously similar to Magni, general internet funny guy appeal. Pretty good and definitely the standout of the second half but ultimately not good enough to make up for being a part of such a weak group

>Hakka
The Axel of tempus2 in the sense that he seems like an alright guy and his music stuff is cool but his content's just completely aimless and unremarkable.

>Flayon
Tragically obnoxious with his bad anime dub voice actor shtick, actually has the highest power level in tempus when it comes to weeab shit but his streams are genuinely impossible to sit through if you don't have the world's highest cringe tolerance

>Shinri
Shitty forced deep voice, shitty le wholesome chungus comfy shtick, the most shameless pandering in the whole branch. Probably great for women with daddy issues or whatever but not for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
EN was dead before they debuted. The girls were just as stagnant and boring

[Anonymous No.]

>>48228752
Yeah, i guess it's the point, girls don't have a choise in general it's either vtubing or twitch whoring. There is nothing in between.
>>48229242
Then you are newfag or retard cause if you ever saw niji fans you would praise holo fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48229592
>actually watches streams
Get outta here

[Anonymous No.]

>>48228607
Because most male vtubers hopped on the trend after seeing the money Vox brings in, hence why most male vtubers pander to women

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222416
Being gay is better than being cucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224656

[Anonymous No.]

Keep crying about no EN3 and enjoy your leaked new Tempus gen 3/homo Vsinger ,blame the insider who leaked Tempiss1

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224656
>branch CCV before tempus 9.8k
Down down into the ground~
>now it’s down to 5.7k
As expected, EOP in the end went to go watch the Japs because of what they offered. Why would they want a different product?


>but it’s just Gura not streaming effect
And when did Gura stop streaming? Right before tempus debuted aka during their training. All her projects meet with strict rules or rejections only for her to see them give the homos the red carpet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48228890
>Kronii and Ame jumping in fully
Neither of them are at the stage of people like Matsuri when it comes to doing shit like frequently collabing with Aruran, and neither of them bring up the dudes on their own volition or have to worry about homos lurking in their chat, and generally ignore any instances of homospamming in their chats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48229592
i agree with almost everything. Altare puts a good effort in doing content live, but the ASMR voice is annoying.

and i like the Vesper/Magni/Kronii/Calli collabs, because how unhinged and chaotic they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219245
Agree, the novelty of debuts is wearing off. You have to thank Nijisanji and their constant shitting of waves. People (EOP) will just see it as another wave and move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48229905
Oh wow they are even below Ccvid numbers now. How is that even possible? Back then Calli would have 2k ccv with 8k votes on her polls lmao~

[Anonymous No.]

ITT hard deflection/Discord raid
>HoloEN is the only EN corpo that has had no actual drama/yabs this year and is having a concert in July
>time to screech about males again!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220863
>my favorite male streamer
Imagine watching males and calling other people faggots, yikes.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't figure out why Flayon didn't take off. Don't get me wrong, I find him insufferable, but his straight-from-funimation dub voice and the fact that he writes his own scripts, I really thought he'd be Temp2's standout star

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
HoloEN in a cancer on vtubing, so good on them.
And yes, I know I will never be a dirty Jap, but this is something that should have never left their nation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230487
You're retarded then

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230487
Funimation is the main reason people who like anime are still watching subs instead of dubs. No one likes that kind of voice. Hes also supposed to corner the fag-man demographic and they gave him a weird, deformed, and unsexy, body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230487
Have you seen his game choices? He's hellbent on streaming every dating sim under the sun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48221790
Newfags really don't know about the towa yab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Last i checked gura never interacted with these fags, whatever her issues are it has nothing to do with these guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230587
getting caught on discord with male friends != being a whore
and besides the big shitfest over that was her panic lying saying its management, not the males part

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230766
>getting caught on discord with male friends != being a whore
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

Idk the only male streamer I watch is forsen

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230834
literally every holo has a history of having a male friend at some point

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230867
kys cuckzoku

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230963
cope about the truth retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230836
Watching a male makes you a faggot. I'm sorry, anon, I can't change the rules...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230867
Only Towa, Matsuri, and Rushia had it permanently stunt their streaming careers tho

To be fair the latter two also handled it by being panicky lying menhera retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231033
Towa’s perfectly fine nowadays, Matsuri/Rushia are the only true fuck ups

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230149
Ame kinda got cold feet with tempiss after shilling them the hardest, but still occasionally replies to them on twitter or in chat and appears on group collabs occasionally
I'd say Kronii is still pretty hard in there. She will talk about Vesper when someone beings him up and has this weird tsundere relationship with him where she pretends to hate him like a high school girl with a crush. He was in her chat during her outfit reveal and she replied to him

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231356
*brings

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231356
Ame did what she said she'd do, she didn't back out of group collabs with other girls because homos were also joining but she didn't do any 1 on 1 collabs. I don't know why she got lumped in with Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231463
Mostly because of her singing to a recording of Altare

[Anonymous No.]

Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231514
That makes sense actually, even the homo is mad about that, no idea what she was thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224072
This board is literally spammed daily with suisei and miko yurishit

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
It's true
>HoloEN went on mass hiatus after tempiss
>Kronii, Ame and Mori permanently ruined
>EN3 delayed until ??? because of tempiss
>completely ruined any chances of future gens having oshi material
>all for a bunch of fags and shit tier male streamers
Hololive productions should close the entire StarsEN branch to prevent it from causing damage to future gens but even with that they cannot undo the damage that's already done
Biggest mistake Cover has ever made

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231463
Ame said she'd be open to joining group collabs, but that they'd only happen every now and then. I don't think most teamates at the time thought that she would personally organize a 3 week tournament with the homos and then an astroneer collab and a gartic phone collab and a love song duet with a homo to top it off roughly in the span of a month. I can understand being a little disappointed after that if you're not a fan of the homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231758
At least that's tolerable for a straight man. Can't say the same for homo ships

[Anonymous No.]

>>48225989
>destroy the careers of several large female streamers to gain 8 mid to low tier male streamers
Yes this is a massive failure

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231812
They shouldnt get disappointed, they should simply improve themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>48232085
as someone who hates women i see this as a massive success

[Anonymous No.]

>>48232714
This. After tempiss I have only heard snippets of her voice when exiting streams she unexpectedly appears in. A much less toxic experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224656
Thank you /#/friend for your useful autism

[Anonymous No.]

How do you guys even have the energy to make basically this thread every single day, have the same arguments every single day, and cry about the girls every single day?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm much more excited about upcoming ID4 than EN3.

There aren't many reasons to watch HoloEN anymore since ID3 showed they can provide comparable entertainment to EN gen leaders:
Kobo is Gura lite (when she was still streaming);
Zeta is Fauna lite;
Kaela has no equivalent in HoloEN, because HoloEN doesn't have anyone who is both dedicated and a gamer.
And that's just their individual strenghts - they also mesh and interact with each other and other branches waay better than most of HoloEN. We already had more kino spontaneus Minecraft collabs between ID and JP this year than EN had in their existance.

At this point EN3 would only further dilute EN1 and EN2 viewership while struggling to build their own fanbase. Perhaps Cover foresaw that and instead tried their hand in an unexplored audience with their homo gens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48234109
Unironically a discord bot raid. This was happening yesterday too, so it's likely to deflect from Silver and Vei graduating from Vshitshow

[Anonymous No.]

>>48234537
Indog delusion. Kaela is the only respectable one. Unity with the homostar failures is not a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>48234739
male collabs caused the biggest shitstorm in the EN fanbase thus far

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
How does that work when only 3 of the 10 current Hololive EN members have even collabed with them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48225979
This is pretty much it. Incel unicorns just want to blame the scary new thing cause it's not more girls to fantasise over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222969
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>48235426
Being cute worked well before tempiss. When homos were introduced to the mix a lot of people left. It's almost like most people got interested in hololive for the cute girls, not the homostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>48235239
Its actually 4; 5 if you include Ina's cover collab. Thats half of EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48235426
Are you saying that western women aren't entertaining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48235239
>>48235697
Baelz really is easily forgotten, huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>48229262
>>HoloEN numbers declining
>>Cover delays EN3 to promote Tempus
This is were you brain is starting to rot. There is no guarantee that EN3 would help the branch if they are in the same level of council. With spoiled girls that don't chase the algorithm, barely stream or quit on 10 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48236245
EN3 would have mogged every member of tempiss even before their debut. Mumei (before her sickness) and Fauna have carried holoen for a long time. More of that please

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
hell yeah they're killing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48235703
Not at all. Holoen grew complacent. It's obvious they've been facing problems in the back end for a while as well. Yes tempus isn't that good but the girls have been on that same level since before there even were applications for the boys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48236507
Mumei and Fauna are equally shitty that the rest of their genmates. Just a different flavor of shit to you convide yourself of being palatable.
EN ended when Council debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48236923
Which ones are the good ones then, tempiss sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Luxiem drained my enjoyment of NijiEN so i dont think its so far fetched

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222273
It was an honest try but the god awful models crippled them. Now they learned their lesson with gen2 on that point but releasing to them so early with no EN3 on sight was a terrible mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222622
Myth success come solely from its novelty. Same with NijiEN's Luxiem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48234109
I shit on them every day for no other reason than that I enjoy shitting on them

[Anonymous No.]

>>48238384
I really think when people were mocking the models pre-debut and Cover still released them without listening to the audience and delaying for a remodel was a sign that this was going to be a steaming pile of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48236245
The reason why EN is doing poorly in the eyes of retards is due to the fact that 6/10 are streaming for NA timezones, and they are all so busy with holo projects or sick that they are outputting at the quantity of 2 streamers worth. 5 new streamers in NA would actually have hololive grow again, instead they release tepid, which targets a different demographic, twice.

[Anonymous No.]

i have never watched them and my oshis don't collab with males.
can't imagine what is like having anime boys living in your head rent free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48237307
>western roasties
>good

[Anonymous No.]

>>48236245
If EN3 did just as well as council then they’d still be doing infinitely better than the 8 faggots they wasted a year on. Lmao this argument is retarded. “Yah EN3 might not have gotten 1 million subs 2 weeks after debut so there’s no point.”

[Anonymous No.]

>>48236507
>>48239569
Tempiss was a gamble by Cover that there was a market for women not interested in Nijisexcumdildosanji, and they lost because you can't trust women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
>HoloEN
EN scene*

[Anonymous No.]

>>48239827
Yagoo is married so he had to have talked to a woman before marrying her. What a grand and intoxicating innocence on HoloEN management's part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48239121
>gay anime boys
>good

[Anonymous No.]

>>48239827
That's probably the case, but I don't understand why en management tried to shoehorn them into holoen, if they were going for a new audience. Did they really think risking the main draw for some hypothetical female audience was going to be worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48231758
But it’s fine if us sisters do it, right? I personally love the thought of Vox dominating shxtou!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218421
I wonder how cucks cope with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48241484
I went to mans the other day and there was a Shinri x Bettel post where the sister described how she usually likes it when the smaller man doms, but she liked the idea of Shinri being the top because of the size difference. This sparked a discussion on “tummy bulges” sorry sisters, your yaoi faggotry makes the yuri and even het shippers here look like amateurs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48241659
That is the tamest shit anyone in /MANS/ has every written about Bettel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
Cover thought they could have their cake and eat it too, capitalize on Luxiem's success and the resulting NijiEN culture where the boys and girls collabed a lot, mixed gens, etc. but at the same time maintain what had drawn a lot of people to HoloEN in the first place: cute girls doing cute things. It did not work. Niji had already won the male game as soon as Vox opened his mouth.

Btw I disagree that HoloEN is dead, just in a slump. You also have to point out that they were sort of declining before Tempus anyway compared to 2021 which is mostly due to the pandemic buff wearing off and a lack of innovation/consistent streaming and projects for some members. Poor game choice, one-offs for more interesting games that they never return to (looking at you Gura). Permissions bullshit. So it is a combination of things, but Tempus did not help things.

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>>48239569
No, the argument is that another Council-lite gen would dilute even more the branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>lying in bed
>thinking about Kronii
>happy
>remember what happened with Tempus
>angry
Every day I grow bitterer

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242655
Why are you still a fan of her if you hate Tempus so much ?

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>>48242652
Amazing argument. Fantastic really. So because new potential girls might give some of the other girls less numbers, there should never be another EN gen? God forbid Kroni only get 7k on a stream instead of 9-10 because one of her genmates overlapped her with her x amount of viewers. Another retarded argument.

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>>48242655
>Vesper gets to titty fuck her every night

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242755
I'm not. I stopped watching her but I couldn't stop being in love
If the homostars ever graduate I will gladly come back
>>48242926
Homostars has to graduate but Vesper has to die

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242973
I don't understand you, at your place I would want to stab Kronii until she dies not stars

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242655
As if I needed any more proof Kronies were making these threads

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>>48242973
Even if you kill him, her hymen will never grow back. That's a trophy only Vesper can enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243079
No I could never hurt her but if she has to die a double suicide with me would be best

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243282
Based.

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>>48236245
>>48236923
>>48242652
This argument makes zero sense. As someone who got into vtubers and Hololive (and other corpos/indies I won't name here) way after the initial boom, none of Myth stand out to me any more than CouncilRyS and in fact of the HoloENs I do watch, I mostly watch Council. To me it feels like people are nostalgic over Myth because they were the first but that's pretty much it.
>But muh art skills, muh music skills
Not unique, tons of other vtubers do that shit these days. Only Mori really stands out to me because of her output but she's the one y'all hate the most so

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243282
>unironically a schizo

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>>48218349
No, Myth killed EN.
Gura and Ina don't stream
Mori had her infinite yab works
Ame got boring
Kiara is Kiara
Which is why Council beats them in CCVs nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
holoEN fans killed holoEN because they can't even make 1 council member get 1 mil subs in one year

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
hire fags,
company becomes a shitshow.
it's like they didn't learn from all the companies that did that and insult their audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243639
HoloX took more than 1 year to get 1 million subs too but they're doing fine

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>>48239827
tempiss is run by fags onions boys
Vox is run by sex voice and played to it, when he did yab he apologized profusely to get the female paypigs back
Kronii was exactly like that but didn't play to it and went full retard with her great mentor mori.

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>>48218349
I'm basically a hololive anti but I'm confused, how is holoen dead? Aside from gura not streaming isn't holo doing better than niji right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230487
imagine wanting an EN shota and getting a femboy instead

[Anonymous No.]

is Tempus > StarsJP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244064
>isn't holo doing better than niji right now?
That's only because Niji is having a year of non-stop yabs
Holo is declining, Niji is crashing

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244064
>>48224656
HoeloEN hits record lows each passing day and the simps can't stand everyone is pointing and laughing at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244064
>>48224656
Here's the gist of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244423
It's more fun to laugh at ESLs

[Anonymous No.]

>>48234537
Aside from having soft voice zeta has nothing in common with fauna. Zeta is closer to mumei than to fauna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220863
Male vtubers are pointless precisely because there's so many better normal dude streamers in twitch that it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244827
b-b-b-but the fujo market!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48239044
Nobody replied to this because it's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243837
Main branch privilege

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244827
Might as well snort asbestos if you are going to watch twitch streamers, you are getting cancer anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48245201
Better than watching male vtubers talking about getting dommed in catboy outfits and their stomach bulges

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244639
And the beautiful part is that most simps here are ESLs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242841
Tell me you know nothing about running a business without telling me you know nothing about running a business. Man most 4ch members really are retarded neets who has nothing else to do but bitch.

There is such a thing as operation cost and if you target the same demographic and basically just dilute the audience is that a worthwhile investment? No. You also add more stress and problems with your current employees. This is why they slowed down the release of new gens, you have to read the market before investing willy nilly. The Stars target a different demographic in case you wanna point this out. Seriously you people should at least get a degree in business before talking arrogantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48245310
Is it, though? Is watching a guy drowning in filth screaming like an ape while peddling NFTs really better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243837
Jp subs are a different beast. Jps dont give their subs to anyone willy nilly like en does, or worse ID. Getting to 2 million in jp is harder than en getting to 1m, much less ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244064
Its only dead in retards eyes. Too shortminded to realize that in EN, vtubing interest is starting to dwindle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48245348
This is a dumb argument when they released Tempus 2 which heavily diluted the StarsEN brand

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
So this is the new spam thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48245348
>You also add more stress and problems with your current employees.
and if you run a restaurant with two waiters and you need them in the kitchen too, nobody serves guest and they get sick. when they are finally gone you are stuck with complete newbies you just hired
that's not much wiser is it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222416
This. If I want to watch a male, I'll just go watch eggman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
If it was that weak it deserved to die

[Anonymous No.]

What a bunch of retarded arguments in this thread about why a EN gen 3 would've been bad or changed nothing, because "le acktually Myth and Council are doing bad".
Mf if a EN gen 3 would've done just as "badly" as the two other gens are apparently doing now they would still be leagues above pointlessly tempissing all over the floor two times in a row.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242655
Why can't you stop thinking in dick and homos? Are you a queer or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48243404
That doesn't matter because if you look at the performance of the streams only one member of Council is having a decent momentum and not stagnant like the other.
Also the peak of Myth was bigger than the one of Council... if they ever had one.

[Anonymous No.]

WHY ARE YOU FUCKS TIMELOOPING AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247633
because it's an ongoing problem retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247633
BECAUSE NOTHING CHANGES

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247432
Unicorns are well-known for craving dick, as you can see from the multiple times it was brought up unprompted by this thread alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247096
>Mf if a EN gen 3 would've done just as "badly" as the two other gens are apparently doing now they would still be leagues above pointlessly tempissing all over the floor two times in a row.
This is the clear example of the average retard that pullulate this board.
Tempus is a subsitute of EN3. Their cost is lower than the average holo 3 (their models are a clear example of cheap) and they don't compite with the girls for the same market.
I doubt adding other batch would reinvigorate and bring back the views of the other generations , they probably would cannibalize them.
This is a typical example of a niche market. Adding new shinning things don't make the older ones more appealing, they just show their flaws and made it obsolete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48248230
>* Tempus is a subsitute of EN3.
Thinking tha tTempus is a subsitute of EN3, which are not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48224656
I'll give you guys a story
>There once was a new cardgame that got a lot of attention due to being made by a big company
>The devs refused to balance the game and instead forced their own pet decks (aggro) to be the best deck
>Playercount keeps dropping because anyone who doesn't want to play an aggro/burn deck leaves
>There is no critism anymore because everyone who actually cared already left
>They kill the game by randomly introducing "rotation" because actually balancing the game was too much effort
>Everyone left is confused why the game is dead

Sounds familliar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247632
Of course the Myth peak was bigger, they were literally the first big EN vtuber generation. Same with Luxiem vs Noctyx where Luxiem got the huge boost despite not being more talented than the Noctyx boys.
Stagnation naturally happens. Most of JP1 and JP2 is stagnant these days. The answer is not to just wait until your old guard gets better (they won't) but to replace them with fresh blood who haven't yet burned out because most entertainers have short shelf lives. New debuts will also draw in a new audience who might check out your old talents. Same way that Myth debuts managed to bring a lot of new eyes to JP as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48248335
>New debuts will also draw in a new audience who might check out your old talents. Same way that Myth debuts managed to bring a lot of new eyes to JP as well.
That was in a different environment, when people had many free time in their hands. That is no longer true. A possible EN3 is in direct competition with the viewers of Myth and Council. And you only need to have a semidecent group with decent work ethic to totally crush the shit of Council and Myth for the attention of the viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

It was a combination of Tempus breaking fan unity, Gura's long breaks and no news on EN3 to build more hype.

Just bad management and decision making all around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48249314
What's wrong with that? If the viewers are tempted away from their old oshis by EN3, it means they were already at risk of ditching for other vtubers outside of Hololive. In that case, EN3 can only be an upside because it keeps those viewers inside Hololive. There are literally no downsides from Cover's perspective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247692
>Problem
Only to (You) simps

[Anonymous No.]

>>48249790
true same with what keeps a game fresh with the gacha carp is keep giving new shit for people to be entertained with, especially when the old "talents" who's not interested or is just plan bad or garbage that everyone hates.
pretty sure Gura is just burnt out or is sick of management, her greatest anime short was done by her own fucking pocket and her own personal live can't get certain other idols on probably because of shit management
look the biggest EN tuber and none of the big JP can join? what bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
This board cries about dicks so much I'm surprised the majority you faggots aren't women

[Anonymous No.]

>>48247633
Bot thread, a tantrum because of the N E W N O R M A L, or both. Take your pick. Expect there to be another with a lot of the same replies tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48250550
it's the nature of the entertainment business. some people always have to shit it up with some 'waaah you want new toys' comment but that's just how it works.
movies get sequels, books get sequels, shows add new cast and the same characters get new developments.
unless you are really, really good and big enough that people seek you out for that specific thing you can't stay relevant by doing the same forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
sad but true

[Anonymous No.]

Did they?
Can you prove it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48251685
Yes
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

When Tempus was new here's what I gathered from them:
Altare was challenging his chat to fight him. Which means he was fighting with his chat. Good start champ.
Magni collabed with that chick who hated white people. Your weeboos are white retard.
Vesper seemed like he had a solid grip until he went to Japan. Now he's the medicated spear wielder. No really, you couldn't just say you needed to find a warm body to drink blood from and Japanese just can't quench your thirst? Swing and a miss Super Chin.
I never saw much of Axel but I don't see a gladiator. Should have probably gotten a war vet to play the character, no offense.
That's my take on it. Even without the collabs it's hard to get into Tempus. I was in Aruran's chat and Gamma's chat before Tempus and I couldn't get sucked into the Stars rabbit hole and I was trying.
Like let's say you join Magni's chat right now with no prior knowledge. What can you say to him? Good job on clearing this game? They don't give you much to work with.

[Anonymous No.]

Tempus saved it for me. The girls are kind of boring now. Myth has terrible chemistry together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48251437
only a few can last frankly, personally i think only a handful of the JP like suisei, pekora etc really made it big.
EN 1st gen i think it's only Gura made it no1 really gives a shit about the rest everyone knows Gura and not the rest, it's them orbirting around Gura that makes the rest of that gen even known.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48230110
>As expected, EOP in the end went to go watch the Japs because of what they offered. Why would they want a different product?
was told by toonii to watch other girls and that there are other girls,
all left
surprise pikachu

[Anonymous No.]

>>48219245
Council is only a failure by delusional "we need a million subs before we can even think of releasing another Gen" standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48255388
WRONG

[Anonymous No.]

>>48245666
yeah I've noticed that the only EN vtuber that is inclining at the moment is the fucking twitch AI tuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218713
>dogwater
It's great when retards put a flag in their post to let me know their opinions are worthless and can be ignored.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48250792
I mean if these threads are made and contributed to by men then the self hatred of one's own gender is very indicative of tranny behavior

[Anonymous No.]

>>48222060
>He doesn't know jewcorp a secret subsidiary of anycolor and the jew twitter profile is just tazumi catfishing from his yacht

[Anonymous No.]

do you guys think the EN market is down not because the scene is saturated but more because most EN talents are just fucking boring? no events, no tourneys, variety streams. just game that they're gonna brute force their way through, zatsu/superchat reading stream, MAYBE a handcam. rinse and repeat. just feels like no one, atleast in holoen, has passion for vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>48257962
I think so. Yes the talents are doing a lot behind the scenes but that means less than nothing to the casual watcher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48257962
It's both. The EN girls are boring as sin and there's a ton more variety to choose from. A year ago it may have been fine that all the girls had to offer was being "cute," but now you can find girls that are cute while offering more anywhere you turn

[Anonymous No.]

>>48258380
examples of what they're doing behind the scenes? maybe if they were jp were they have recordings, sponsorships, dance lessons, radio shows. etc every week but EN has none of this. maybe mori irys bae who are putting out music and collabing. recently prepping for the live but before that? they've been this way for 2 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>48256942
We dont hate males, we hate faggots pretending to be anime faggots ruining the cute anime girls environment.
>You want to watch something funny?
Watch a male streamer
>You want to watch something cute?
Watch a cute female vtuber
>You want to be a cocksucker faggot or a woman?
Watch male vtubers
Simple as that

[Anonymous No.]

>>48239121
I can save them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48240450
>holoen incels

[Anonymous No.]

>>48258994
Good thing my bro Vesper isn't a faggot, therefore it's okay to watch him

[Anonymous No.]

>>48257962
this is what actually caused the downfall, of course ENfag coping by blaming Tempus, EN already on decline before Tempus exists, even if Tempus didnt debut, EN will never go back to their debut era, blame laziness and incompetent management and talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>48259767
ching chong bing bong

[Anonymous No.]

>>48260600

[Anonymous No.]

>>48258994
>You want to be a cocksucker faggot or a woman?
>Watch male vtubers
>Simple as that
if its so simple then why do people in these threads make such a big deal about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48264537
>expecting logic from the mentally ill
Anon...

[Anonymous No.]

These threads are always weird to me because if you only read threads like these you'd assume HoloEN degraded into some kind of male orgy or some shit

They're not my oshi but I watch Ame and Bae a decent amount and I genuinely don't remember the last time they talked about a homo. It's been many months. I don't watch Kronii tho so can't comment on her

[Anonymous No.]

>>48265164
The well is permanently poisoned. Released another generation of even less popular fags has caused people to become unhinged (me included.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48240591
They're all straight except maybe Magni

[Anonymous No.]

>>48245310
you actually gay bro? how'd you know that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48242973
>being in love
Kill yourself weak faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48265371
So do you just sit here making split threads being mad they exist or something? It sounds like you don't watch streams anymore, or maybe HoloJP clips

[Anonymous No.]

>>48218349
good holo EN was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>48244827
you sound like an even bigger faggot if you watch male twitch streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>48220530
Actually based

[Anonymous No.]

>>48265677
I dont think so sister, consuming a product specifically designed to attract women makes makes you a literal homosexual

[Anonymous No.]

>>48265164
Kronii never brings up the homos either, and normally she doesn't even go out of her way to drum up interest for the times she does those collabs with Mori; any time she does talk about it's mostly because a tourist sends a supa about it.

I did notice that when she put out the schedule with the UNO collab through her YT community post, it got twice as many comments as her usual schedule posts do with way more greys bothering to comment on it. On top of that, the way the comments were sorted, the large majority of ones that generally were consider "top comments" didn't make any direct mention of it and were more general "looking forward to this week sort of deal" from Kromies. You had to scroll down quite a bit to find more explicit mentions of the collab, most of them coming from the aforementioned greys.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions from that.

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>>48218349
Tempiss was a mistake and there is no coming back from this. I went from being a super HoloEn fan to now occasionally watch Fauna and only her and only sometimes.

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>>48242973
seethe bitch boy

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>>48265886
if you watch men, regardless if it's anime or not you're still gay as fuck. Simple as. I'm an avid watcher of Fauna not the homos

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>>48258994
oh, we good then at least I watch Axel

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>>48266173
Lol are you that insecure?

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>>48266173
>occasionally watch Fauna and only her and only
This. I also watch pic related

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>>48266556
not that guy but i get it. nothing to do with insecurities, it just broke something and now it's difficult to get enthusiastic about EN stuff.
it killed the hype

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>>48234537
I want to like and watch ID but honestly, i hate the fact they slip to ID speaking from time to time, its obnoxious when Kiara suddenly goes german or Irys with 1/2 of her stream being JP. They seem like fun but i have this feeling im not supposed to be there as an EOP.

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>>48266666
Why would you have this saved

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>>48266666
>66666
THREAD THUGGED BY AMBATUKAM!1!!1

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Ambasin omaygot

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>>48266666

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>>48257962
What would you suggest as an alternative, i mean you hear the girls constantly complaining but i don't really get what they are doing behind the scenes besides the EN concert. i think some of them are still into vtubing for the streaming specifically, i don't know if they care about doing something else tho.

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Take it take it teikit

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Didn't that guy retire from porn because his kids found his account or something?

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>>48267567
>events, tourneys, variety streams
he said it. i think more ritual content is good too, of course those would be more fun with more talents.
and gen unity streams like councilRys vs. myth or something to show that EN can stand on its own feet. but for those everyone needs to be present.

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>>48266930
But why? It's not like they invade random streams or join open VC. It's really easy to pretend they don't even exist if the mere knowledge of them somehow upsets you. It's like quitting a fighting game because they add one character whos design you don't like. Seems super schizo man i'unno.

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>>48268289
when you like something you want it to succed and you want to shrug off the minor flaws.
but it's hard to shrug off major dog shit decisions like ignoring fan requests for a third gen, doing nothing at all, then debuting guys nobody asked for, push these into everyone's faces and encourage heavy mixed for weeks, then debuting more guys.
it destroyed the goodwill and made me question who over there even knows what they are doing

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>>48268289
its a waste of time to try to reason with unicorns, thier logic is "i want my oshi to never have any kind of contact with males ever, no fathers no brothers, cousins, coworkers, friends, friends of friends..." and the list goes on. They are schizos through and through, and prioritize themselves over their oshi every time.

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>>48218349
Rent

Free

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>>48260600
cope, ENfag, the only one who still holds EN financially is Gura, once she decided to graduate. The En will crumble and fade to irrelevancy

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Ewwww, Tempus.

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>>48220530
>JP is better only because it has 3x that amount, and it took until they had 20+ members to really hit its stride
>I'll take Mumei, Fauna, Gura, IRyS, Bae, Ina now over Hololive in summer of 2018 with its 10 members that consisted of *checks notes* Mel, Aki, Roboco, Sora, Matsuri, pre-schizophrenia Haato....
Actually kinda true but nobody will ever admit it
Gen 2 alone is kinda of a disaster outside of Subaru lmao