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shouldnt he be held accountable for his black company crimes?

>> No.48037337

>>48037272
What did he do?

>> No.48040775

>>48037272
maybe

>> No.48041294

>>48037272
Not even the Wactor CEO that was exposed for sexual harassment/rape, threatening lawsuits against anyone that wanted to leave and all the other shitty practices was held accountable

>> No.48043175

shame, the end of an era

>> No.48044710

>>48037272
Not to defend the fishman becausehe literally is the most inept and spineless CEO in existence, but why should he be held accountable? If you sign a working contract and then break it in any way shape or form because you don't like the restrictions/requirements of said contract, it's your own fault, not the employer/agency, if you want all the freedom you want be an indie.
If having restrictions in a contract is a base to be a black company then every job/company is one

>> No.48046311

What even makes anyone presume that Fishman was, in any way, in the wrong here?

>> No.48046465

>>48046311
When people have no information on a contractual issue, they'll default to being against the people they dislike most, and for the person they like best.

Fishman is easy to dislike, and a female vtuber is easy to like. End of story.

>> No.48048921

>>48037272
>his black company crimes
such as?

>> No.48050794

It's only downhill from here for Phase.

>> No.48051036

>>48044710
Because you are a retard. Did you know almost all vtubers have a rule called "be nice" Because a contract can have vague or small rules that they could use to fire anybody legally. We do not know the reason, we don't know the contract. Signing a bad contract might be idiotic on the vtuber's part but that doesn't make it not a black company.

>> No.48051109

did he bully pippa?

>> No.48051186

>>48051109
If anything the talents bully fishman a lot.
For example, they laugh at him being a manlet and thinking working out and being buff can overcome the short debuff.

>> No.48051240

>>48037272
Shut up
don't talk about it
just stay silent
don't ask questions
and be hype for the next phaseslop

>> No.48051254

>Employee keeps breaking the terms of their contract.
>Repremand them multiple times.
>They ignore and keep doing it.
>Try to mediate to see if there is something that can be done to make it stop.
>There isn't.
>Fire them in basically the tamest way possible in the situation, allowing them a goodbye video (which is more than most fired vtubers get), details kept vague to protect the vtubers reputation, and refund all the members and people who donated to the new PC fund so there's no hard feelings on anyone.
>Get called a black company.

Fishman just can't win.

>> No.48051300

lots of phase shills defending black corp

>> No.48051327

>>48051186
I still can't believe Pippa doxxed fishman during the convention stream. Now everyone knows he's not a bipedal fish.

>> No.48051390

>>48051254
>I will believe the ceo blindly on everything he said
Go back to discord phase mod

>> No.48051518

phasefags are like a cult, they'll excuse anything

>> No.48051569

>>48051186
>being a manlet and thinking working out and being buff can overcome the short debuff.
wtf? timing or clip please?

>> No.48051579

>>48051390
Yes, because phase connect is well known for keeping a tight leash on all their talents and never letting them get away with doing stupid shit right? And yuri is totally not the kind of girl who would do stupid shit repeatedly or intentionally right? Whatever Yuri did was bad enough that even fucking phase connect couldn't just let it slide.

>> No.48051672

>>48051569
It was in a Rie stream I think, she mogged his height pretty hard

>> No.48051710

>>48051579
>Whatever Yuri did was bad enough
do we have plausible rrats tho

>> No.48051799

>>48051710
double dipping income and not giving fishman his cut required by contract
also seems like the girls knew about this and Yuri got away with it until contract renewal

>> No.48051915 [DELETED] 

>>48051799
>double dipping income and not giving fishman his cut required by contract
i thought cuts happen more or less automatically

>> No.48051920

>>48051710
Current popular rrat that sounds plausible is that she was running a private discord or something similar where she was directing her whales to donate to her directly, bypassing the company's cut. A money reason is about the only reason Sakana would fire a talent given what he otherwise lets pass.

>> No.48051929

>>48051579
Phase not giving a shit about twitter fags, doesn't mean shit about if their decision was a good one or not. It doesn't mean they're a good company with a good contract.
>Whatever Yuri did was bad enough that even fucking phase connect couldn't just let it slide
Entirely speculation.

>> No.48051984

>>48051920
>>48051799
why did she go corpo then in the first place?

>> No.48052016

>>48051915
the rrat is she was getting money using the Yuri persona somewhere else, like her private discord
possibly though gifts on throne or something else

>> No.48052221

>>48051984
allegedly Lumi said she made a bad decision and wouldn't listen

>> No.48052276

>>48051984
Going corpo gets you better legal protection, merchandising, moderation, and marketing. Having a company backing you with its resources can be a huge boost and a contract can also garuntee you a reliable source of income too depending on the terms you negotiate. Part of the reason a lot of indies never get big is because they don't have the resources or ability to handle being bigger than they are on their own.

That said in exchange for all these benefits you give up a lot of your freedom over content, decisions with your character, ownership over your material, etc.

>> No.48052291

All these bandwagoners are forgeting the main reason why people hate Fishman. He fucking takes forever with shipping merch. WHERE'S MY FUCKING WEMI BODYPILLOW FISHMAN

>> No.48053690

>>48041294
Yet. Let's hope

>> No.48054085

>>48051984
Lumi dragged her along, pumped and dumped her.

>> No.48054932

Sounds like it was money related with something about the pc fund being the final straw. Begging for money and reaching the 4k goal was her last act as a streamer, tenma said something to the effect that they aren't supposed to ask for stuff like that when people tried giving her money for new parts for her pc last week, and the statement the company put out specifically mentions that they plan to personally refund the people who donated to the fund.

>> No.48059337

>>48037272
who?

>> No.48059452

the only black thing in here is OP

>> No.48059684

>>48046311
>>48046465
Because, these anons are fucking tourists. Yuri has been streaming less and less, and Phase Connect members, who are very open about shitting on fishman when he fucks up (some of the girls have straight up said “don’t buy the merch, it’s shit right now and you’re not gonna get it for months”). If he screwed up someone (definitely Pippa, who has the least to lose) would say something.
Also, I think most of these people don’t follow small corpos. Termination/graduation yabs tend to be a lot nastier when the corpo is clearly at fault.

>> No.48059769

>still baiting with the black company shit

Phasebros don't fall for this, thinking this whole deal made them a black company is done only for trolling, no one with an ounce of IQ could believe it seriously

>> No.48059963

>corpos should own all of your labor because they just should ok??
phase shills love deepthroating the boot

>> No.48060208

>>48059963
which company doesn't do that, get real

>> No.48060360

>>48060208
vshojo owns none of their talents ip they license it to produce merch

>> No.48060445

>>48051710
She refused to shill the coffee.

>> No.48060949

>>48051579
funny how Yuri was considered the least likely to cause a yab last year and now people are painting her as a unrepentant villain who couldnt control herself.

>> No.48061296

>>48060360
Vshojo holds fake auditions for vtubers they’re already going to hire in order to look like a corpo, when they’re really just a way for big twitch indies (and sometimes their friends like Hajime Hime) to help each other grow.
Did you actually get an iron rod stuck through your head in a workplace accident at the rail yard, because thinking vshojo proves a point about anything regarding corpos is so retarded I can’t believe you aren’t missing part of your brain.

>> No.48061479

>>48060949
hardly anyone considers money issues as a potential yab since the average /vt/ard has no way of knowing that stuff and the shitshow is usually not funny since it's mostly behind the scenes stuff

yes I fully buy into the money rrat since apparently one of the cali phases posted vagueposted about it (and also having a secret onlyfans)

>> No.48061514

>>48044710
>If having restrictions in a contract is a base to be a black company then every job/company is one
Unironically, yes. If you want to skim my supas you better give my oshi the freedom she deserves.

>> No.48061759

>>48061514
Plenty of corpos do try their best. Except, “the freedom your oshi deserves” is not the same as “the freedom your oshi thinks she deserves.”
The poster child for “wow, I can’t believe they’re not reining her in”, Pippa Pipkin herself, has gone on record multiple times saying “Yeah, management’s wrangled me plenty of times, and they were right.”

>> No.48062334

>>48059684
Pippa wotn be given shit because she is the face,
THE clique

>> No.48062424

>>48051036
>claims all contracts have a "nice clause"
>also states that no one knows what's in the contract
so basically you know jackshit you blabbering aids filled vagina

>> No.48063447

>If he screwed up someone (definitely Pippa, who has the least to lose) would say something
No she wouldn't, Pippa is a doormat when it comes to anything serious. What's this shit about her having the least to lose? Vtubing is all she has, she's been on the Youtube grind for over a decade, unsuccessfully until now. She can't rock the boat because she might literally kill herself if she loses vtubing. As for this mentality of "Pippa has immunity to everything," have you forgotten Rushia already? She was their top earner and they canned her without a second thought (she had millions of fans, too). Phase Connect (and realistically any company) wouldn't hesitate to terminate any talent with a severe yab, regardless of moneymaking status.

>> No.48063716

>>48063447
>Rushia
while the rest of the company had tens of other talents, thats not a huge loss for a mega corp

>> No.48064575

>>48037272
what crime(s) now?

>> No.48064841

Stop asking questions just keep quiet
t. fishman

>> No.48065651

>>48052276
also a lot of big artists will only work with you if you're corpo

>> No.48065846

>>48062424
"be nice" I'm not referring to the vtuber contract. I'm referring to their channel/discord rules. It's a easy example to see of vague wording that can be used to ban someone that's annoying but not really breaking the rules. What part of "can have" and "we don't know the contract" did you not get in the following sentences? Please finish reading before posting a gotcha comment.

>>48059684
>Yuri has been streaming less and less
nasa exists. Stream time doesn't matter.
>shitting on fish
That doesn't hurt the company or money in any way shape or form. How easy a ceo is to banter/insult means nothing about the contracts.
>definitely Pippa
Pippa said that she can't go back to 100(now updated to 500) viewers. She has the most to lose as her audience is the biggest.
>Also, I think most of these people don’t follow small corpos. Termination/graduation yabs tend to be a lot nastier when the corpo is clearly at fault.
Fair, but just because they have good PR management doesn't mean they're in the clear.

>> No.48066775

>>48064841
You're asking for a lot but keep your spirits up

>> No.48069806

>>48037272
Not today

>> No.48069969

>>48044710
>Phasecucks shitting on Nijisanji because they terminated Zaion after she broke multiple rules
>Says they’re a black company
>Meanwhile they defend Phase’s management for doing the same to Yuri
>T-that’s just how contracts are! Not a black company btw!
My sides

>> No.48070272

>>48069969
If you have a single functioning brain cell left in your skull you can see the difference in how the termination is being handled.

>> No.48070456

>>48044710
>>48051254
I never saw anyone defend Nijisanji this hard after the terminations but when Phase fires its talents for contract violation suddenly everyone's backflipping into the thread to post about what a bad thing contract violations are and Phase is totally not in the wrong at all. This is a pretty good example of karma, you said nothing before because it was a corporation you hate but now the shoe's on the other foot and it's happening to a corporation you love. Now you know what it feels like to have people flooding into your thread and calling you a black company. Doesn't feel so good when it's happening to you, does it?

>> No.48070532

Lia not crying over Yuri is equivalent to Watame not crying over Rushia as an indicator of how bad they fucked up and how justified their termination was

>> No.48070925

>>48070532
The difference is we know exactly what Rushia did and it really wasn't that bad which makes Watame kind of a bitch for not crying about it.

>> No.48073111

>>48037272
Yes

>> No.48073656

>>48037272
>>48050794
>>48064841
>>48069969
>Fuura Yuri makes a groomcord for her pay pigs
>convinces them to give her money on a RM account
>skimming fishman of money
>gets caught and rightfully terminated
>is a black company
fucking dumb fucks

>> No.48073704

>>48073656
Stop treating speculation as fact

>> No.48073722

>>48037272
no

>> No.48073848

>rabidly defend Zaion, spamming her YT comment section begging her to join
>but shit on Yuri even when she can't speak up
phasenigs really don't have a soul of their own

>> No.48074605

>>48073656
>t. knower

>> No.48075689

>>48048921
scamming with merch and selling it for twice the price in cons

>> No.48075738

>>48073656
Proof of any of these claims?

>> No.48076344

>>48073656
I believe it. The only thing that would truly piss off that guy is missing out on some shekels.

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>>48073656
>Phasenigs already slandering their former talent with precisely ZERO (0) evidence because people are being heckin meanies to their favourite company

>> No.48077003

>>48061296
seething phasefag throws a fit when reminded he's full of shit. all these small western corpos that use the Jap model are scams. you get the same support going with a random streamer agency that won't steal your model when you want to leave. what value does phase hold exactly when there are tons of /lig/s that make more money, have bigger CCV, and easily get merch? These corpos exist to exploit retards that think they need to be in a "real" corporations.

>> No.48077400

DESU I'm pretty sure Yuri was cut off because, besides the infractions, the company just doesn't want to support 5 streams per month slackers.

The chuba economy isn't as good as it used to be during the rona.

>> No.48077581

Fuck Sakana for a contract I know nothing of and fuck Sakana for firing a vtuber for contract breeches I know know nothing of. It was an illegal termination!

>> No.48077666

>>48077400
Sakana sent a 110 Canadian superchat on Nasa's birthday stream

>> No.48078048

>>48077666
>give 80 USD to your wagey on their birthday
Wow that surely means they're swimming in money.

>> No.48078171

Why is vtubing so full of corporate dicksucking
Seriously no other industry is like this

>> No.48078346

Don't worry everyone. He has investigated himself and found he has done nothing wrong.

>> No.48078368

>>48078171
No other industry comes under scrutiny for firing bad workers.

>> No.48078387

>>48078171
NO OTHER INDUSTRY is full of corporate dicksucking? You can't be serious.

>> No.48078427

>>48078171
What fucking rock are you living under? I'm not gonna write a novel detailing everything, but I'll point out the most obvious corporate cock sucking almost everyone has some encounters on the Internet with - game console fanboys.

>> No.48079475

>>48059684
That sounds quite grim if your talents are advocating to not buy any merch.

>> No.48080977

>>48037272
Na still best corpo out there

>> No.48082864

>>48078171
Maybe it's because vtubers are a form of escapism? Fans want to trust the talents that are still around (who can't leave without giving up their entire IP) because it's the nice story. The unfortunate happening is much happier then the unknown. Makes me disgusted.

>> No.48085011

>>48078048
I think the point anon is making is that Sakana was willing to drop that money on a talent who basically never streams

>> No.48085622

>>48077400
nasa was gone for almost all of last year and most of this one. I'd honestly be surprised if her streams last year reached double digits.

>> No.48086358

>>48070532
Ever witnessed females in groups aside from your mom or siblings? Constant backstabbing, scheming etc. Best friends up front but everyone is carrying fucking syringes behind their backs and only wait for the moment someone slips so they can achive a higher and/or better standing in their group of so called friends. Social groups with a female majority are fucking shark tanks.

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>48073656
>Yuricord paypigs already slandering her former company with precisely ZERO (0) evidence because people are being heckin meanies to their favourite vtuber

>> No.48090085

Anything new? Feel like I’m just reading the same shit drama sisters copied from zaion and Gen 3 kawaii and the rrats are getting stale

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>>48063447
>Pippa is a doormat when it comes to anything serious
The fuck are you getting that from? She is very argumentative and holds grudges forever with a history of twisting fishman's fin and getting her way.
Retarded threadwatcher larping as an expert.

>> No.48091394

>>48073656
that's bullshit, but I believe it

>> No.48092382

>>48090085
Phase Connect rratmancers are busy cooking up new and fresh reasons to hate Yuri as we speak, please wait warmly until it is ready

>> No.48092597

>>48092382
Why lie like that?

>> No.48092615

>>48037272
>d-did somebody just get fired
>aaaaaa i'm fucking going insane
kill yourself shitposter. people get fired all the time. this is a nothing burger.

>> No.48092884

>>48070532
lia didn't cry because her voice actor groomer friend made her squirt so much recently she doesn't have enough body fluids left to produce tears

>> No.48092999

>>48078171
corporations have replaced religion in the west. insulting fishman is like stomping on a picture of christ to phasefags.

>> No.48093005

>>48092597
>Lie
How is it a lie when they've already been doing that? Her embezzling funds or doxxing her coworkers are already being spread around as facts.

>> No.48093566

Are nijisisters really this butthurt about getting BTFO during the Zaion fiasco?

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