/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Ruin your Tetris tournament with a kids game called Puyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
It will never end, isn't it ?

[Anonymous No.]

PuyoPuyo HATE!
It's Tetris with training wheels!

[Anonymous No.]

>play puyo puyo tetris
>there's puyo puyo in the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>47592094
shocking, I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
I am in need of her ryona porn

[Anonymous No.]

everyone is just going to choose puyo next year

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
I need to ruin her pussy with my cock, if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

Pathetic Suisei ...

[Anonymous No.]

Knowledge her

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>kids game
You keep saying that but it's harder to chain Puyos than line build simulator, the irony is that by picking Tetris you're just gimping yourself to the superior mathematical game Puyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47592435
they should just play swap next year

[Anonymous No.]

What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47592638
So they need to get good at Puyo and Tetris which makes it harder for new players. This will help no one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593078
they have whole year to practice now

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593033
Senchou's superiority is once again causing issues for the mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

She'll just be a caster next year it's not that big a deal

[Anonymous No.]

>>47592558
>superior mathematical game Puyo
What is the percentage of puyopyo to create 10 chains within the first 25 turns then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
sex with Marine with a tetris block shaped dildo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593197
I don't watch Holo stream but apparently niji puyoteto winner is puyo2 player as well
And I don't see something wrong.
Both sexy girl win the tourney is good situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593078
this will help the audience who is not braindead and want a more balanced tournament

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593537
Those bad at the game will still be bad at the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
They wouldn't be playing Puyo Puyo x Tetris if only Tetris was allowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593078
>Tetris players hate playing against puyo.
>Puyo players hate playing against tetris.
just split the tournament into twos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
based hag

[Anonymous No.]

>Make next year's tournament swap mode
>Keep Pekora as organizer but make Marine the puyo coach/co-commentator
Dear god I really hope they do this because seeing puyofags and tetris fags getting at each other throats is so fucking annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
>finally got around to watching it
Holy shit, Suisei never really got to be on the offensive, and only won the first match because Marine slipped up. Is Tetris only better than Puyo at lower skill levels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593078
Shut the fuck up. Swap mode is the main tournament format for the game. The girl will learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>47594319
No it goes: tetris at high level>>>puyo at mid/low level>>>>> tetris at mid/low level.
Suisei just isn't as good as to get to the point she is stronger with tetris

[Anonymous No.]

>>47594319
>Is Tetris only better than Puyo at lower skill levels?
Tetris only better than Puyo on the top level. Puyo is broken at the low level.
Nene can easily win against Miko + Mel at the same time without any pattern knowledge.
Miko destroyed Nene when they swapped. She never played Puyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
Marine is cheap whore

[Anonymous No.]

Why didn't Suisei play Puyo if it is so much easier and stronger?
Sounds like she handicapped herself and now her fans cry over a fair competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47596665
Calm down marine schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47596713
t. anti

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>>47596713
Marine is better than Suisei at Puyo
The only way for Marine to lose is her using Tetris

[Anonymous No.]

>>47594319
>banned 4 wide
That's why tetris got fucked over

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>>47591866

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>>47594747
they are already even at about or above intermediate level, don't even need to be top level
but if both side don't know what they are doing then sure puyo will have overwhelming advantage as tetris doesn't a way to attack with luck and you can kill yourself with misplacement, but you can get lucky chain from puyo and it's very difficult to kill yourself in puyo

[Anonymous No.]

>Stomps your pathetic oshi into the dirt
Based sexo pirate

[Anonymous No.]

>>47598543
you are either anti or troll
kys anyway

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>>47597175
Can you explain what's that? I'm aware something was banned but I don't know anything about that move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47597175
wtf is a 4 wide

[Anonymous No.]

>>47594747
Puyo is easier to "attack" aka add more rows to tetris.
I think the tournament was for fun only, Suisei made some insane move and trending on Twitter while Marine won. Win-win

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599047
your mom's diameter

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>>47591866
I want to ruin her eternally teenaged (30 year old) body with career-shattering quintuple pregnancy! Get pregnant hag! Get pregnant! Get pregnant! Get pregnant!

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>>47596713
>play Puyo if it is so much easier and stronger?
except it's not and it's the other way around, Puyo is harder than Tetris, Amemiya the Tetris champion guy he is also a certified pro Puyo player he can consistently 13-15 chain at Puyo but he is still not very high skill in professional standard as that's pretty much the pro standard for pro Puyo player compared to his Tetris where he is considered real god of Tetris, Also Suisei's Puyo still lose vs Marine's Puyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
Fucking whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599593
>>47597055

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
That's not Pekora

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593078
That would mean you could have comebacks if someone who is strong have to change their game up. Also makes the matches last longer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
I don't know anything about tetris or puyo. Can some explain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599753
Watch the stream

[Anonymous No.]

What stupid bullshit is /vt/ gossiping about this time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599405
How does this make sense? Suisei has been playing Tetris for 10+ years and it still did worse than her Puyo, which she barely plays. She won 4/9 sets in Marine's last stream with Puyo. Isn't that proof that Puyo is that much easier for mid-level scrubs, which both Marine and Suisei are?

Tetris is stronger at pro level but that's completely irrelevant to <2K shitters, which they both are. Suisei is only ~1800 at Tetris vs Tetris mostly due to her defense. Her offense sucks (she only knows DT cannon into 4-wide) and due to that she's easily 100-200 rating points worse vs Puyo, which she never bothered learning how to deal with. Marine is probably 1900 at best.

They both have room for improvement but Marine's ceiling is higher. Suisei will always be limited by her slow speed unless she switches to Puyo, which is more suitable for her middling reaction time.

Truthfully, I don't think there's a single person in Holopro that would be better off with Tetris. Aqua might have the reaction time but her pattern recognition is too garbage for puzzles games by her own admission. Maybe Astel? Men have better reaction time so his is probably the best. And please don't bring up Botan. When has she proven anything gaming-wise?

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>>47599983
Marine won a tourney but the others didn’t get a participation trophy so the unicucks are seething

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>>47591866
how many times will you cretae this thread faggot? it was genuinely fun. at this point it has to be antis, nijiniggers spamming these threads cause everyone loved it.

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>>47600753
leave it nijiniggers to beat the dead horse into oblivion

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>>47600419
Don't quite get what you're trying to say here, Suisei can beat Marine Puyo if she abusing 4-wide strat and it's irrelevant how long Suisei has been playing Tetris, That would only mean Suisei got the hardwork but not the natural talent in Tetris that's why she still just above average player despite been playing for 10 years and using low-mid level scrubs as the data to determine the game is simply stupid when you have the data from high level and pro level player that said otherwise, They will said that it's Tetris that got advantage over Puyo that's the only true fact from the people who actually know and play the game, people who keep saying but but for lower rank Puyo got advantage is just a cope for their lack of skill and understanding of the game

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>>47601044
Balance isn't the same at all skill levels and this is especially the case in any asymmetrical game.

Starcraft 2 is a good example. At the highest level, top-4 in the world at their race, Zergs win lategame vs Protoss most of the time. Even at top-16 in the world level winning lategame vs Protoss is losing, and the further down you go on the ladder the more the lategame matchup becomes skewed in favor of Protoss. You really need to be a complete outlier among outliers in terms of mechanics to compete. If the top players didn't exist, the game would have to be re-balanced.

Tetris vs Puyo the tipping point for when Tetris' mechanical advantage isn't quite so absurd--although for the game to be properly balanced it should be--but you do need a minimum baseline speed and accuracy. Suisei's mechanical abilities are below what is required for Tetris to win the matchup.

The same goes for every single other Holomem. Given that is the case how could you say that Puyo isn't advantaged at that level when the speed advantage that Tetris has isn't close to being reached?

Or do you actually think Suisei is better at Puyo than Tetris? She's really that much more talented at Puyo than Tetris despite the skill-set required being largely the same? No, Puyo is obviously just stronger at their level.

If they were aiming to be the best in the world, pro, or tourney level player, the answer would be to get good but they aren't. They're scrubs. The balance for scrubs is different. The balance at different levels of play is different.

That being said, I agree with the point that you can only really balance a game around top-level play, which is why PPT2 fails as a competitive game. Ideally you would balance the game at all levels of play but that is simply impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47601044
playing casually for years wont get you anywhere you need to start learning competitive tetris to actually get good. It's true Tetris has advantage over puyo but only for top 1% or maybe top 0.1% player other than that puyo have the upper hand. Nigga can pick up puyo today and beat the shit out of someone who played tetris for months.

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>>47600419
tetris is just a pattern recognition game you just need to put more hours to get better.

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>>47601044
My whole gripe with this tournament is banning 4-wide.

4-wide, as cheap as it is, it's the best strategy for beating(or, at least, matching) puyo if the tetris player is a beginner or average scrub.

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>>47602342
I really don't know what you want me to say, I can agree that PPT2 fails as Puyo Puyo and Tetris are simply different game it's quite impossible to make it balanced for all level but for 2k rating game they are quite balanced and then we have the problem in high and pro level Tetris got advantage over Puyo due to the speed of Tetris and the garbage system for Puyo, If they nerf Puyo just because "it's not balanced" based on the data of below 2k shitters then it will make high level match and the pro scene more fucked up and give Tetris more advantage, Unless they adjust the game for each tier of ranks independently

[Anonymous No.]

>>47603134
Yeah. Tetris just like playing darksouls where the boss has 5000 patterned moves. As long as you can recognize all of them, the boss is a breeze!

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>>47592435
I would seriously be over the moon if they just played Puyo Puyo e-Sports or the Arcade Archives port of Puyo Puyo Tsuu with each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47600554
This is somehow even funnier than the spergouts over the Minecraft sports festival.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope all of these shitty posts have convinced at least one anon to try Puyo Puyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>retards are still seething about the tourney
Has any tourney other than sports fes caused such an immense amount of seethe?
It's funny but holy kek

[Anonymous No.]

sorry i missed it, are people seething because she played puyo in a game called "puyo tetris"?
if so, skill issue, git gud, etc
>>47604446
play madou monogatari too! the whole series is super cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>47603570
I only know they ban 4-wide for Marine vs Suisei match

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>>47604410
the funny thing, it's all outsiders. None of the fanbases involved care that much. Ichimi admit that Puyo2 is broken against Tetris, hoshiyomi admit that Suisei could've done much better against Marine, and nousagis admit that Pekora didn't actually know how good Marine was a Puyo2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47604581
>nousagis admit that Pekora didn't actually know how good Marine was a Puyo2.
She totally didn't know. riiiiiight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47604660
stfu shitstirrer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47604262
It is an unneeded amalgamation of two games. Both fanbases even want to play with each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47594542
>>47594319
They banned 4w which doesn't help

[Anonymous No.]

>>47604573
Hell yeah player.
>>47604827
I was actually overjoyed when the first Puyo Puyo Tetris came out since my family and friends love Tetris, Dr. Mario, Puzzle League, Puzzle Bobble, Super Puzzle Fighter; you name it, but they just don't enjoy Puyo and never bothered to learn how to play it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47600554
>muh unicorns
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.]

>>47603570
4wide won't help much tbqh

[Anonymous No.]

>>47594747
>She never played Puyo
Why didn't they just switch off and play both sides for the tourney? Wouldn't that solve the whole problem about 'balance' of the two sides?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47598905
>>47599047
https://four.lol/stacking/4-wide
>4-Wide, fourwide, or 4w, is a stacking method where you leave 4 columns open with 3 residual blocks (marked sky-blue above) on those columns. If you stack this way, clearing one line with a mino will again leave 3 residual blocks. Your primary goal is to chain these line clears to do a high number of combos.

>Attacking this way is so efficient that 4-Wide became infamous for being broken. In current guideline Tetris clients, starting from combo 9, each single line clear sends 4 lines and more on later combos. This is 2 times more efficient than a T-Spin Double, which sends 4 lines with a double line clear, and 4 times more efficient than a Tetris, which sends the same amount of garbage while clearing 4 times the number of lines. 12 to 13 combos is almost always enough to beat any opponent.

https://four.lol/mid-game/puyo-puyo-tetris
>The combo table has also been adjusted. Short combos are not that useful. Furthermore, combos are not as powerful in Tetris vs. Puyo matches because it gives Puyo players time to build their chain, which exponentially increases their attack.

In short, I don't think it would have mattered vs Marine. Pekora likely only banned it because it's too powerful in Tetris-only matches. Typically the hard counter to a center 4 wide setup in Guideline is a perfect clear. To play TvsPP you have to focus on raw DPS and interrupting the chain build before Puyo wins the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47606652
the only way to solve balance issue is to just play tetris only or puyo only lol or just play swap mode

[Anonymous No.]

they should implement a rule where you have to win by alternating gamemodes, i.e to win bo5 you'd have to puyo-tetris-puyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
another faggot bait thread, wow, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47607281
why would you write this reply and still bump the thread? are you new here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47604690
You are right Pekora and Marine are not friends, so obviously Pekora would not know...

[Anonymous No.]

Funny watching all the SEAmonkey Suiseifags go around harassing everyone with their ugly irl pfps

[Anonymous No.]

Keep your hard work anon. I want some place to discuss about a puzzle game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47608342
>you can't be friends if you don't know how good your friend is at every game they've ever played
just do the world a favor and neck yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593343
I'm going to t-spin whilst thrusting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47593687
>put 2 different puzzle games in the same game
>split them up within same game
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
Shut the fuck up, Peko!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47608480
Why are you guys so racist?
Or is this just self-hate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
I kneel

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>>47591866
>nothing personal kid

I just love that she's made so many people mad just by being good. It's too bad she's japanese, so she'll probably apologize in the end--but I wish she'd just troll people.

[Anonymous No.]

The antis knew the tournament was a fucking clown show since from the beginning. They only waited after the tournament was over to point out how the huge skill gap issue between the players will give the veteran players an unfair advantage over everyone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
the tetris player is at a slight disadvantage

[Anonymous No.]

Don't blame the controller again ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47621384
She didn't, EOP shitstirrer

[Anonymous No.]

>>47621913
sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599164
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
Marine is a horrid bitch.
She and Lamy even made a group just to bully poor Korone and Noel.

[Anonymous No.]

Desertorium I know you are watching this thread, put me in your next video onegai

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
Marine had the highest score in Puyo Puyo in Game Shop Maruyama Season 1.
This alone is enough to know that Marine is not just some casual PP Player.
It's impossible that Pekora doesn't know this when the fans know.
The only way for Marine to lose was to self-destruct. Just like the Maruyama episode with Suisei,
Aki who probably had a higher chance when playing PP decided to play Tetris instead.
Marine was smurfing. Marine knows she will only lose when she plays Tetris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47608342
>Organizes a tournament
>Didn't even check the skill and experience level of the player

Pekora failed at her job as the organizer

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/live/YewodrZGHOI?feature=share&t=3671
Tetris duels are more fun to watch, but I want to see Okayu play Puyo next time too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
>ruins
She knows her job is to make cute and sexy sounds and help nerds jerk off to her cartoon avatar and video games are just a socially acceptable context provider. I'm sorry none of you figured that out.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really see how winning a tournament without breaking any of the rules amounts to smurfing. These are funny shitposts, but if any of you guys earnestly believe this shit, god help you.

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>>47628901
>I don't really see how winning a tournament without breaking any of the rules amounts to smurfing.
Winning a tournament without breaking any rule has zero correlation with the fact she smurfed. She won legally and she smurfed. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47628901
The ones that aren't obvious shitposts definitely believe the shit they're saying. They're way too obstinate about their stances for it to be shitposting, especially considering they bring it from one thread to another even if they don't get any (You)'s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47630395
she didn't make an alt account in order to play against worse players, this isn't smurfing

[Anonymous No.]

>>47630395
This situation doesn't really seem like one that anyone could smurf in. It wasn't exactly a very high stakes tournament.
>>47630430
This board seriously blows my mind sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47624444
Quads of unequivocal truth

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>>47630878
Hiding your skill level and participating in a competition where the skill level is outrageously below yours, without even suggesting some kind of handicap, is smurfing. I don't think she did it on purpose or with any bad intentions but that's smurfing. The creation of the new account in the most common definition for smurfing is just a mean to an end: to hide your skill level to get free wins and ruin the competition; to bypass being put with people of your own skill level so you can destroy people with ease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47627184
Ok, and

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631312
>Hiding your skill level
>destroy people with ease.
Why are you talking about Marine like she's a shounen villain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47627184
>Noel is also a PP hag
nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631312
>hiding
And there's the issue. She practiced and got gud. Everyone know she was good. Everyone expected her to dominate. She didn't infiltrate a lower level tournament. There wasn't a more appropriately ranked tournament she bypassed. She simply joined an open tournament with friends for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631636
Why are you trying to antagonize people like a retard instead of just acknowledging that what she did was smurfing and move on?
>"I don't know. It was too one sided. She was kinda smurfing".
>"yeah, she was too strong for this indeed. Hopefully they figure out something to make it better next time".
>"Still had fun though. The girls were pretty invested in the grind".
>"Sure that. Let's see what they come up with next".
It could be like this, but people on this board are too subhuman to even try to have a very mild discussion with.

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>>47599753
In a game of Puyo vs Tetris, the puyo player wins, end of discussion. Like, unless you're a god at Tetris, you don't fucking win against a decent Puyo player, so right out the gate, there's a problem with the tournament. The second problem is that they banned Suisei for being too good at tetris, but apparently saw no problem with letting Marine play, even though she was already good enough at Puyo to beat Suisei even BEFORE she started practicing. So basically the entire tournament and all the training they did was utterly pointless, because the winner was already decided from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631911
She was already good. Practicing made her even better and instead of just winning, she crushed everyone.
You could argue it's not her fault the other holo girls are shitters or that the game is unbalanced, but saying "she practiced and got gud" is plain wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
go fap to some Marine doujins

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
SEX with marine

[Anonymous No.]

>>47632184
I am speechless. Great post, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631911
>She simply joined an open tournament with friends for fun.
Then proceeded to make it un-fun to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>47632831
I see. Thanks for explaining. That sounds pretty shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47632184
because that's not the definition of smurfing

[Anonymous No.]

>>47634331
>>47631312

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>>47634442
>to bypass being put with people of your own skill level
okay where's the vtuber tournament she can enter where she can play higher ppt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47600419
>When has she proven anything gaming-wise?
the virgin nolifer vs the stacy protagonist

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631312
>hiding
>streamed her practice
>streamed herself beating Suisei

[Anonymous No.]

>>47632831
Take a look at 2k player rank match, it is already quite balance at that level and it’s not even close to god level
Puyo don’t stand a chance at top level

[Anonymous No.]

>>47634589
It reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Ju7nel5cQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>47634757
and yet the organizer of the tournament didn't do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47634799
The rank system is designed for balancing the player. It doesn't mean the game is balanced.
If it takes weeks of training in one game to reach the 2k level but takes months for another, then the game is imbalanced.
We know Puyo is op at an entry level that they can 1v2 Tetris. Actually, this tournament shows the state of game imbalance when Puyo can easily outrun Tetris with a week of progression. The progression balance is terrible.
We also know that the mechanical balance is terrible. Tetris win in the pro scene because they have a mechanic that allows them to play faster. Some Puyo players might be able to think faster but they are capped by the animation delay.

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>>47636365
Because she saw how excited Marine was and how hard she was practicing, and she wanted to give her the chance to play at least one tournament before banishing her to coach/commentator. Completely understandable for anyone who isn't a schizo.

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>>47636365
So you're saying that the organizers of other holo tournaments should ban those who are too good at a game?
So Towa should ban Suisei, Marine, Aqua, Okayu and anyone better than the shitters/mediocre Mario Kart players from participating. I mean, their skill level is already known, right?
Same goes for sports fes. Miko should ban anyone whose Minecraft skill level is already known and better than those mediocre at the game.
This is literally your logic. Just admit that you're a subhuman schizo simply using this as an opportunity to shit on Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47636392
Agree that puyo has advantages at entry level for obvious reasons (lucky chain, forgiving mistakes)
Just want to point out that “puyo win unless you are god at tetris” is extremely exaggerated

[Anonymous No.]

>>47638539
Pekora banned Suisei. By her rules, she should've banned Marine too.
Nobody is saying that the other tournaments organized by holos should follow the same rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47638539
The problem seem to be more of suisei is banned but marine is not
I think if both players participate there wouldn’t be this question

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>>47638890
Puyo's advantage is coming from the garbage conversion table more than anything. Their lucky play is effective because it deals too much damage for a little effort. The table is designed for a professional scene, so the god level is not that exaggerated.
The problem with ppt is they try to make up a mechanical difference by adjusting the number. Since Puyo is slower by design, their damage is raised up to an obnoxious level when their 2-3 chain can match up with a combo Tetris attack. And I will say this perfect clear is as difficult as setting up 5-6 Puyo chains but deal like 10% of damage because Tetris can set it up so fast.
Most mixed-up games compromise their gameplay for the sake of balance. PPT tries to adjust the roundabout way resulting in a terrible player experience for everyone except the tops.

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>>47639041
ironically i think it's because suisei's reputation in tetris made her out to be unbeatable and while she's better than most of the other girls in hololive, it would still be exciting to watch a potential TvT upset

[Anonymous No.]

>>47640123
This is why swap is the best game mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
Ruins or improves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47640123
It honestly a terrible experience at the top level for puyo. So it sucks for tetris as a beginner then sucks for puyo at high level. Puyo players still try to enter the big JP tournaments and just get rolled by tetris. So basically around 2000 to say 2300-2400 it's competitive, outside of that it just sucks for one side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591892
Give it a couple weeks it'll mostly die off

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591892
No

[Anonymous No.]

NEW THREAD COME HERE
>>47648379

[Anonymous No.]

>>47638539
Why the fuck do you think Pekora banned Suisei? retard.

Mario Kart is a placement tournament while SportFes is a team competition. It's Pekora's fault for not taking into account the skill and level experience of the players in a competitive 1vs1 tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47638936
>Pekora banned Suisei
>>47639041
>The problem seem to be more of suisei is banned but marine is not
>>47651311
>Why the fuck do you think Pekora banned Suisei?
I see this being parroted a lot but is there any actual source for this claim?
The tournament was Suisei's idea, she's the one who contacted Pekora, I find it hard to believe she planned on participating to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47651466
It's Pekora's idea. Watch a stream.
They also make a beginner friendly tournament that have a rule on coaching limitation for the fairness.
I don't know why people try to deflect this so much. Even Pekora admitted that she should check better, but it was too late at the time. Nobody think she is malicious from a single honest mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47652072
I'm not deflecting anything, I actually agree the tournament would have been more exciting and unpredictable without someone at Marine's skill level, I just legit want to know whether the "Pekora banned Suisei" thing is real or is just based on an assumption.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47652545
They are co-host so it is their mutual responsibility.
Pekora said something like it wouldn't be fair if she let Suisei in ,so It is better for co-hosting.
It was months ago in one of her post game session that got clip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47652545
>I actually agree the tournament would have been more exciting and unpredictable without someone at Marine's skill level

For me, I cannot stand the low-level match between Puyo Puyo and Tetris. It's so long and boring, and really silent. Well, I cannot blame the participants because they need to focus on the match, but Pekora and Suisei are not really fitting as commentators. They cannot hype the match.

On the contrary, Marine's match is really great. The match is quick and hype, and Marine's banter with other participants is really funny. She even commentates on her own play and banter with Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47651311
NTA but the issue, and people's complaint, is the skill level of a participant being far above that of other participants, in this case Marine, correct? That has nothing to do with whether MK is a placement tournament or that sports fes is a team competition.
I'm curious as to why the skill level for participants in the other tournaments don't matter but it somehow does for this tournament? There are those who are better at both MK and MC for the MK tournament and sports fes, so they have a clear advantage over those who are worse than them whether it's placement or a team competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599164
I really don't remember posting this... well, back to impregnating my wife for his sake

[Anonymous No.]

>>47651311
>it's ok for these tournaments but not this one because...it just is ok!
the only retard here is you

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
>Game made by Puyopuyo maker
>Intentional nerf Tetris due to Puyo player can't catch up in the top rank
>the nerf make Tetris player miserable at the lower to mid tier rank
>Dev didn't care to fix it anymore
Why they pick this game up for tournament still confusing me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654062
>Why they pick this game up for tournament still confusing me.
Pekora thinks the puyos are cute. I don't actually know the reason but knowing Pekora I could see that being the reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654062
It is one of the very few licensed guideline Tetris clients.
Tetris is very weird that most of the players are on the "pirate" server. Nips autism prevents them to stream on any of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47653225
Well, they kept silent because they didn't want to distract the players during the most tense parts of the match. Not much they could have done there unless they cut the audio from the participants entirely. But I agree, Marine would have been a better commentator than either Pekora or Suisei. Maybe next time they could make her a co-host. Pekora was busy doing behind-the-scene stuff most of the time to give a proper commentary anyways, so she could assist Suisei.
Disagree on Marine's matches being the best ones. She's good at banter but it becomes pointless when she stomps anyone in a minute. The best one for me, and I saw many people agreeing on it, was the semifinal with Okayu vs Koyo. Both at a similar skill level and both competent enough to not be a cringefest.
>>47653832
It works for MK because there's less skill gap between players, plus the aggressive rubberbanding of the game tends to keep everyone in play by design. SportsFes is different because they have big teams and can balance them out however they want.
Something like PuyoTetris is completely reliant on individual skill levels, so the better player will basically win 100% of the time in a direct 1v1 match. Case in point, everyone predicted Marine's win far before the competition started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47632831
Who wants to see the weak fight for scraps whilw the strong sit on the sideline laughing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654408
>It works for MK because there's less skill gap between players
Is there really though? Whenever Suisei and Marine race in MK they're almost always ahead of the pack to the point that it doesn't even matter if they get hit by a blue shell or get bad item rng. It's always rather lopsided in the races they're in and they consistently place really high.
I see where you're coming from though even if I don't fully agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654633
I mean yeah, even with MK random elements, after a few races the better players will emerge at the top anyways. But at least Okayu, Aqua, Towa still have a shot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654408
It's more about the marketing of both events.
MK is a winner take all tournament. People won't get mad if anyone is stronger than the rest. Even then Suisei and Aqua stated that they will resign if it become noncompetitive due to their presence.
Puyoteto is a beginner tournament. They advertised the coaching session and training arc as a part of the tournament. People will get salty for a landslide win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654805
And Marine didn't train?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654896
Is she a beginner?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654633
Imagine MK where Marine faces off against a bunch of choco.

That's how the puyo tourney looked like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47640123
>so the god level is not that exaggerated
It is, 2k match is balanced that's far from god level

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655009
Might as well be. She never streamed the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655189
>If it takes weeks of training in one game to reach the 2k level but takes months for another, then the game is imbalanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654796
MarioKart actually better than TetrisPuyo because MK didn't have unbalance element including in the game.

In MK, if you joined 150cc mode, everyone is on 150cc kart
But in PuyoTetris, it's like Puyo ride 150cc kart while Tetris ride 100cc with a special turbo trigger (if you actually only know how to use it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655231
>self-admit to be an ex-champion in locals tournament
>seen playing Touhou Puzzle and streaming many time (that game have similar rules as puyo)
>Ranked at 2nd of Hololive Gaming Show on official channal so many time

Never streamed the game, your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655573
She never streamed it and all you can do is point at some random shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't have much to add that hasn't been said already, but I will just link a couple things and talk about Puyo since most of you have never even played Puyo. Here's a good video example of higher level puyo2 vs. tetris, it's short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0CVtp8UcU
While this isn't a tetris world champ or anything, and it's versus a fucking CPU, you get the gist of this. At high levels, Tetris can fight and win against Puyo2, but just barely. Conversely, anything else less would obviously struggle. Applying this to the tourney, yeah Marine probably should have been disqualified same as Suisei, and/or 4stacking should have been allowed. But whatever, she definitely won't be allowed to compete next time, if there is a next time.

Also, you guys really should watch the Miko/Nene/Meru collab the following day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U05WyFSk04
Like the other guy pointed out, Nene is able to 1v2 at one point as a Puyo player, but loses as soon as she switches with Mel.

>>47654062
>"Intentional nerf Tetris due to Puyo player can't catch up in the top rank"
This is a rumor (based on a fucking video game review) a.k.a. cope, it's also irrelevant. This is like a Street Fighter newbie complaining he got beat by a Dan player; if someone is beating you with the worst character in game, that's an obvious skill issue on your part. This is also born out by Puyo players losing to Tetris players year after year. This is an old game, and the meta is pretty set. Here's a good twitter thread on it, it's way too long to paste.
https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1648253973642764288

>>47654166
Another corp was playing it a while back, Nijisanji? Don't remember, but 90% of the big events corpos plan is because the other one is doing one, like how Hololive's Summer Minecraft event happens around the same time as Nijisanji's Koshien event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655260
>if
I will wait Miko or any scrub to reach 2k within a week just by playing Puyo and i never said the game is balanced in all level but they are balanced in 2k match which is average or slightly above average level not far from "god level"

[Anonymous No.]

>>47656229
If it only balances at 2k, their matchmaking system also sucks. Even with the highly imbalance ruleset, a good matchmaking system should be able to match the player with similar power in the same ranking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47638539
>Suisei, Marine, Aqua, Okayu Mario Kart
Different games. Mario Kart not only has multiple skilled players to provide a good matchup with each other, but it's a lot more RNG-based. Clearly better players can still get item spammed and fall behind. And even then, both Aqua and Suisei are willing to drop out if they win multiple times in a row.
While I don't agree about banning Marine, I do think that for entertainment value either she should exempt herself from the next tourney, or Suisei should get back into the game so there could be an exciting match. The most important aspect of the tournament is entertainment rather than raw competition, after all.
No issues with this one, though. Not like anyone else knew her power level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655724
>Here's a good twitter thread on it, it's way too long to paste.
>https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1648253973642764288
I see nothing but puyocope

[Anonymous No.]

>>47656500(Me)
Let's think about it for a second, you said that Tetris has a better win rate over 2k right?
Given that at any stable rank, your win rate should be 50%
Let's say the Puyo player has a 35% win rate against Tetris.
That means you need to have more Puyopuyo matches to stabilize at that rank even with a negative win rate from Tetris.
Doesn't that mean there is far fewer Tetris players in the high rank than Puyopuyo or I'm getting drunk?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47656608
>While I don't agree about banning Marine, I do think that for entertainment value either she should exempt herself from the next tourney
"Pekora and Suisei have already said that when they give the trophy to Marine, she will be on their side in the next tournament if they hold it again next year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47657323
Why are Holos such crybabies? Just let everyone play and let the best win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47654062
>Game made by Puyopuyo maker
Sega was also the king of Tetris inside of Japan, they have a long history with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>Practice your heart out with all sorts of advanced Tetris strategies
>Doing everything possible to ensure you'll win this incredibly sophisticated game of Puyo Puyo Tetris
>Your mind is going a billion miles a second, you've got this shit in the bag no fucking problem, no doubt
>Your opponent drops some cute blobs in random spots while eating chips, barely paying attention to the game itself
>Completely annihilates your game plan and wins so hard that it doesn't even look like you were trying

That's the game you chose to play, dumbo. Get outskilled and outsmarted by a superior and more intelligent player.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47655573
>self-admit to be an ex-champion in locals tournament
When Marine said that ?
She was just saying that she's the best in middle school in her local area. She doesn't stream Puyo-Puyo because she's not confident with her skill after being completely beaten in online play at high school. She took a chance to enter this tournament to play Puyo-Puyo again and practice so she can have a better standing when she plays online or with viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47657434
A total curbstomp doesn't make for good entertainment. You'll know who will win every time and there'll be no shakeup. So what would be the point in watching when there'd already be a clear cut winner?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47657062
You don't even play the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47607000
So it's not banned, it was just nerfed because of how broken it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47627184
why they want suisei to win so much? pekers even consider to make marine as a coach instead of playing in the tournament, i dont understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>47658424
It was banned in the tournament by Pekora but it probably didn't need to be outside of Tetris vs Tetris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47657212
Here's the math.
Given that at any stable rank, your win rate should be 50%
Let's say the Puyo player has a 45% win rate against Tetris.
You are a slightly better Puyo player with a 52% win rate.
To achieve 50%, we need (0.45 + 0.52x) / (1 + x) = 0.5. x = 2.5.
Given that the match-making distribution has no bias toward any match-up, the ratio between Puyo players per Tetris player is 2.5:1.
The next question is what is the difference in the distribution mean? Does it really mean Puyo players have an easier time than Tetris player to rank up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47658542
When did Pekora say that? any timestamp ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47658542
No it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47631911
>>47628901
>>47630878
because she's on a different level than all the other players, don't be pedantic. Suisei was left out because of skill level, so it should've applied to Marine as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47599753
hoshis mad

[Anonymous No.]

This is the mathematical reasoning about the Puyoteto rank system.
Anon claimed that Puyo and Tetris have a balanced match at a 2000 rating. Tetris has an advantage at a High rate; Puyo has an advantage in Low rate. Therefore, Mid-tier Tetris can beat Mid-tier Puyo.

This statement is false because of a misunderstanding in ranking. The ranking is not a power level, but an equilibrium point where the win percentage is roughly 50%.

As shown in >>47658684, we know that the number of Puyo players in higher ranks is more than Tetris players.
On the other hand, the opposite proof can be used for the lower rank which means there are more Tetris players in the lower rank.
The 2000 balance mark is the point where the number of Tetris players and Puyo players are equal.
This means Tetris player beyond 2000 is already considered at a high level while Puyo is only lower than average.

This strengthen the statement that the game is highly imbalanced toward Puyo even in the rank system. Only the top echelon of competitive Tetris players can beat a puyo player.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47661537
You make too many assumptions that don't reflect reality and you put too much stock in needing to be a god at Tetris to win against Puyo.
TvPP matches are on an almost literal timer and you are either good enough to win before that threshold or not, that's the real lynchpin. You don't need to be a god to do it, but you do need to be competent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47661813
The assumption is coming from other anon statement. I just derive the logic from that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47661813
And hey I open up for the discussion. You can just pointing out which assumption that you disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
good for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>47665382
Perhaps you are still interesting in the ranking of an asymmetric game. What do you think about the way to adjust the rank to represent the real skill of the player. Can we adjust the rank gain according to the distribution?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47657434
The competition serves no purpose if you already know who wins. It's really not that likely they'll have all the other holos turn into autists and start grinding these games to become good enough to be competitive.

[Anonymous No.]

Non of the holos play at the where they can match a puyo player evenly playing tetris, so what's this cope about puyo players losing to tetris at high level? non of that is relevant because they are nowhere near that skill level. It's bullshit that good tetris players Okayu and Korone lost to Fubuki who's not even half-decent by puyo standards, all she did was stack at the wall hoping she gets a 3 chain

[Anonymous No.]

>>47591866
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>47669339
>good tetris players
I had to immediately shed some rust seeing Okayu play, it was that hard for me to watch. And I don't watch her as much as I want to but I do like Okayu. No, they're not decent just because they open DT cannon.

[Anonymous No.]

Puyo players really have a problem to admit that they got handholding by sega.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47674669
Puyo is a niche game in the West, so we only hear the loud autistic ones. Those people learned to play but can't cope with the fact they will never beat the top Tetris players because of how the game is "balanced". Their own player experience blinds them and they don't seem to realize how bullshit Puyo is at lower levels (or maybe they chose to avoid it on purpose).
They also hate it because it implies that Puyo players need less skill to be good. You see them praising Marine for doing long chain, which is indeed praiseworthy, but doesn't help the case. First, it shows that Marine was indeed "smurfing" the tournament. And second, the real issue with Puyo is not the long chains, but how easy it is to make basic 2/3 hits combo and overwhelm low-level Tetris players like in the Holo tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47674669
And E. Honda players are blessed because Emiru could mash PPP and still take Ws in SFV?
>>47677643
You're actually insane.