the absolute state of myth

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>Gura and Ina
Soft-retired at this point. They will NEVER return to regular streaming. As far as I, or anyone else is concerned, they may as well have already graduated. Stop coping and accept the facts, there are only 3 members of myth now.
>Ame
Debuffson continues to get lower and lower streaming numbers as she streams random garbage without any soul. Once touted as "la creatividad" for her inventive and unique streams, has lost all creative spark and now just streams the same soulless content over and over.
>Mori
Had one of the most catastrophic downfalls (in terms of numbers) of anyone I've ever seen. In the span of a single year has lost three-quarters of her audience and only gets a small fraction of the stream and music views that she once did. Her average CCV has started to even fall below Bae and Kiara, making her the WORST performing member of HoloEN and one of the worst in Hololive period. Even homos mog her at this point.
>Kiara
The only one that regularly streams, has maintained quality and hasn't reclined. She is in the best position of anyone in myth, which is sad to say, given how low of a bar that is. Kiara used to be the punching bag of all numberfags for the longest time and now, simply by not fucking up, she has ended up in the most solid position of anyone in myth. Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>/vt/image/4aGXzYbPpGTrWMj7X8MPqg

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284884
The absolute state of nijiniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Funny how the Council pretty much Overtook Myth in terms of ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>reclined
>debuff
>lower
>numbers
Enjoy streams or go back to /#/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Serious question, what happened to Mori? Did her content take a nosedive? I don't remember any of the yabs tanking her CCV, and I don't watch enough of her to know whether her streams are worse now.

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>>47285010
blaming on nijifags is cope. he's too pessimistic on amelia and mori though.

[Anonymous No.]

KFP made this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Ina should just hurry up and join Sana in the afterlife already. It's clear that she doesn't give a shit about hololive or streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
She took a pretty big break in September and October.

[Anonymous No.]

>numbers
>numbers
>numbers and biased, because if Ame is a debuff, then Kiara is in a worst situation. There's even days where she loses against the gray homo in her timeslot

End your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
At the end of the day, stream success is
>1/4 effort
>1/4 consistency
>1/4 talent
>1/4 luck (meaning moments that go viral, large scale exposure, popular memes about them, etc. Acts more as a multiplier to the other areas)

Gura has the talent and luck but no effort or consistency.

Ina has talent but no effort or consistency or luck.

Mori has talent but not effort or consistency or luck.

Kiara has effort and consistency and talent which keeps her chugging onwards despite mid to low-tier luck.

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>>47285179
She got dunked on by tiktok and twitter enough that a lot of deadbeats felt too embarrassed to call themselves fans of hers anymore and slowly distanced themselves from her. Being an open deadbeat is worse than being a brony.

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>>47284805

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>>47285017
Funny how you get people to watch you if you stream, gura is squandering her popularity like it's going to last forever instead of taking advantage of it while it lasts, she could do a cleaning stream again and everybody would show up and throw money at her. She could even get away streaming once a week and still get more money than any EN does in a a week, she's throwing away the oportunity to retire early in her 30s with fat stashes of cash in the bank while donkeys like me will have to work until 75 just to die at 75 and a half.

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>>47285616
Was it really that the casual fans dumped her when twitter/tiktok shitters whined about her not being black?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Next month fr fr this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285616
nobody cares about twitter or tiktok fags, not one cent earned by a hololive streamer ever came from one of these greyfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285981
No it’s that she streams in impossible to watch times for NA and has been playing jrpgs

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>mumei mysteriously inclining even while on break
>fauna highest ccv in EN now that gura is dead
>kronii maintaining numbers and mindshare, despite what her antis want you to believe
>bae also inclining a bit lately (with help from fauna)
council CHADS can't stop winning

fauna has inherited gura's will and will lead HoloEN out of the valley of despair!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286048
Greyfags make up the majority of views and they're the ones that left Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
most of her subs are in there for her music anyway.
she's okay at most as a streamer.
once you get tired of her dad and cowboy shtick, she has nothing else to offer.
it's not like she's good at games either

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
Her average game choice is pretty shit and her stream times are wack. Music numbers are still great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286019
Stronger than ever ™

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286422
When she does play a buff game she is absolutely terrible at it and triggers half the audience.

[Anonymous No.]

They succeeded too hard, too fast, too easily.

Gura and Ina became complacent and stopped caring.

Ame and Calli got cocky, bit the hands that fed them, and got put in their places. They're now walking corpses.

Kiara continues to succeed because, as the least popular, she developed a chip on her shoulder that drives her to keep working hard.

Its honestly really sad watching them like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286697
>Calli
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286243
greyfags are only good for cover, so that they can flaunt viewer numbers to partners. the ad money from raw viewers pales in comparison to memberships or superchats or merch sales, and that's before you factor in adblockers. moderately sized streams with greater member ratios are better in the end.

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>>47286697
I think Ina has always viewed it as a side gig so putting it on the backburner makes sense. What's going on with Gura, I have no idea there. My assumption is that it has just stopped being fun for her but that's just a shot in the dark.

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>>47285953
She doesn't have to stream, she makes more than enough money from merch and sponsorships

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>>47285010
They both suck, vtubing is dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287062
Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Even if she wanted to retire, Cover is going to bend over backwards to give her everything she wants so they can put her face next to a big sub number on the stock ads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286847
why do we call her mori here anyway, this is something i wonder every time the whole 'calling her calli is reddit' thing comes up

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't watched Ame in over a year and a half, what's she like nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287374
When she debuted I got called out by someone for calling her Mori because "all her genmates call her Calli".

I don't care. I don't watch her. I haven't in a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286697
I dont think it's a chip on her shoulder, she has remained sweet throughout her carreer despite the hate she got, it's more likely her germanic genes and upbringing make her strong in the face of adversity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286089
Ahh, the Kiara classic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287491
it's also weird because like, we don't call any other holos by their last name over their first name
we don't say houshou, usada, tsunomaki, ceres, gawr, etc

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>>47287062
>she makes more than enough money from merch and sponsorships
More reason for cover to point at the contract and show her the minimum ammount of hours required to stream, you dont know when the landscape and the meta of youtube is going to change, cutting your revenue stream overnight.

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>>47288142
Why? Cover makes tons of money off of her without her streaming and she makes tons of money without streaming. She's EN Ayame and people just have to accept it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288075
Jap shit. Willing to call someone by their first name (Calliope) shows familiarity, calling her by her 'last name' is meant to say 'I am cordial, but not friendly to this person on equal grounds'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288275
from that angle it makes a lot more sense since we fucken hate mori here lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287303
>>47287062
cover was okay letting coco go, who by the time she graduated was the most superchatted vtuber. then later cover fired the most superchatted vtuber rushia. i don't think gura's position is as important to cover as you might believe. but i do believe so long as gura doesn't create a real controversy, and she pulls in more then they pay her, they will keep her around, regardless of how little she outputs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288446
>we
god what a fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288497
Who would have guessed, a shitter whi has little to no connection with anime and wanta to be spoonfed is a fag who'd say 'we'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287374
Because she signs off the stream with I'm Your Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>47289074
but that implies people here watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

We need a en3 so we can have more women to complain about not streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287034
To use a sport's metaphor, I think Gura just enjoys playing in the playoffs (the big concerts and special events) but doesn't like the regular season (her actual streams).

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
Yabs are not an instant CCV killer. Any viewer filtering event takes time to take effect. Think of it as a slow acting poison. People will stick it out for a little bit but will eventually move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47289543
Yeah that was me and Ame, it wasn't one big thing but a bunch on little things that finally made me give up on her. Note this was back in 2021 so Tempus wasn't even a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47289359
The only thing that would motivate someone in Gura's position is a constructive approach. If she becomes disillusioned with the idea of building Hololive's brand then there's not a lot of reason for her to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286158
>mindchair
Nigga pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285211
No, I think he's optimistic. You just fucking KNOW they have another yab in the chamber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47287429
Really boring, unironically. I respect her for showing up somewhat consistently but the soul is gone. Kind of feels like she has no direction or motivation.

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>>47290845
Real talk, the reason they got as far as they did was purely off of bored unicorns in their rooms churning out memes and games for them. Like, half of Ame's content was sourced from fans.
The SECOND they shit on them, game was up. Who the fuck is going to risk investing just to have her crap on it? What else can she do? Even if she's creative, she pretty much destroyed all that free content, so she's stuck with a fraction of her original output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286383
I don’t know, I’ve found her pretty entertaining lately when I tune in and she responds to chat a lot. Plus she actually streams which I respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291482
>ha ha showing up is good enough
If she had any brains, she'd start funding lore videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291602
No one actually cares about lore

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291729
>Gura's lore video, 4.4 million views.
>"Bad end." 1+ million.

Ogay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291823
They were only interested in the animation

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285371
If she doesn’t give a shit about Hololive, why is she in Japan and practicing hard for her 3D live right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291121
I thought she was declining back in late 2021, long before tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285877
(You) I feel bad that you post this in just about every thread that includes a number and you get ignored everytime. I hope this makes you feel better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291982
COVID was cancelled.
Comparatively? She did pretty horrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kill numberfags. Behead numberfags. Roundhouse kick a numberfag into the concrete. Slam dunk a numberfag baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy numberfags. Break a numberfags dick in half. Launch numberfags into the sun. Stir fry numberfags in a wok. Toss numberfags into active volcanoes. Urinate into a numberfag gas tank. Judo throw numberfags into a wood chipper. Twist numberfags heads off. Report numberfags to INTERPOL. Karate chop numberfags in half. Curb stomp pregnant numberfags. Trap numberfags in quicksand. Crush numberfags in the trash compactor. Liquefy numberfags in a vat of acid. Eat numberfags. Dissect numberfags. Exterminate numberfags in the gas chamber. Stomp numberfag skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate numberfags in the oven. Lobotomize numberfags. Mandatory abortions for numberfags. Grind numberfag fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown numberfags in fried chicken grease. Vaporize numberfags with a ray gun. Kick old numberfags down the stairs. Feed numberfags to aligators. Slice numberfags with a katana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47292589
Woah there anon no need to be that harsh on the nijifags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47292589
>I hate objectivity!
Hmm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291947
Isn't she in Japan for priestess duties?
Her shine's on TV now apparently, but I'm not sure how much input she's expected to give.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47291947
Imagine preparing for a 3d for weeks and missing out on regular income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
No matter how many times you make me say it, the dedication of the fans come from the fans alone. If Kiara is a 2.5K bitch then that means KFP at large think she deserve it. Besides, you don't want to dive too deep into this topic since Kiara is literally a narcissistic griefer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285953
>>47287062
If Gura would just stream 3-4 days a week she could earn enough to just retire in just a few years. And I don't mean retire from vtubing, but retire irl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47292973
>objectivity
So you agree that latino music is the best music in the world, minecraft is the best videogame ever created, Avatar and Avengers End Game are the best movies, right??

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
I'm just happy Mori got punished for that piece of garbage song "Internet Brain Rot." She even had the audacity to say something like "Heh, get mad about it, you're just proving my point."
Well Mori, when you tell people you hate them, don't be surprised that they stop watching you.

[Anonymous No.]

Quaso

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
Mori has always been crap

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
You sound retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285616
It just goes to show that no matter how much people insist that nobody cares about twitter, we really are the ones who hold the most power in this industry. It is an undeniable fact at this point. If you do not please twitter, say goodbye to your career.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286422
Mogged by Finana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3sFpkDlXRU

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293514
Kek, you actually got assblasted by it

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293644
>We

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293728
>3 month old cover with 300k views
>7 days old cover with 445k views
Mogged became such a overused buzzword that people are now redefining it's meaning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293728
In what way? Even the artist Mori used is better

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285953
I'm pretty sure Gura has just checked out at this point. I find her funny to watch when she does appear at this point because she comes across as very checked out at this point.

Like she seems to enjoy when she does stream because she can do it as little as she likes and doesn't have to pretend to give a shit. Do some half hearted uwu stuff and people will eat it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
They've built enough numbers over the COVID years to be lazy for maybe 1 or 2 more years going at this rate but they can't stay like this long term. They will always have their reddit hugbox giving them subs but Cover won't be happy with decreasing numbers with no signs of growth.

Competition keeps growing. Newer vtubers will chip away at the bulk of their casual fanbase as they go to green pastures. Gen 3 will eventually happen. It's just a case of how low a number Cover will tolerate until they get pushed to do something. Most likely once merch sales start dipping too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285613
Ame....

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Mori started pandering to the Japanese fans, doing more japanese content within streams, sometimes going back and forth between english and japanse, it's no wonder her views fell when she's an EN streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

Myth is best as a group. Without consistent streams and semi-frequent collabs it just feels kinda soulless. Them bouncing off each other is what makes them great, but if they don't fucking stream it all falls apart and they're not really setting themselves apart from the other vtubers out there people could watch instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47292589
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>47295034
>Myth is best as a group.
myth never collabed like a group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47294186
Their fans are good cucks and spend enough money on merch for them to outsell the rest of EN with a powergap so management won't do shit about it anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47295034
>Myth
>bouncing off each other
What's this historical revisionism? Pretty much all their collabs were awkward as fuck and they barely have any chemistry. It was Council that made EN feel like a branch but then 2/5ths of Myth decided to fuck off, Kiara is geographically isolated, Watson is an autist, and Mori is the only one who collabs with them somewhat frequently but pretty much only in the form of Chadcast. This is the biggest reason why they need an EN3 immediately since it feels like the first gen is JP1/2 but worse.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care about any of this number shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293416
>Kiara is literally a narcissistic griefer.
what is this insanity?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47294186
Merch sales ARE already starting to decline. I honestly don’t think Cover thinks EN is a viable brand long term and is trying to squeeze everything out of them while they can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293644
I mean she still has a career anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47296704
Cover has no one to blame but themselves for EN's decline when they refused to grow the branch during it's highest point and hired the most incompetent and narcissistic fucks to manage the branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47296927
I mean what do you think they could have done to grow the branch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47296695
Is this a KFP psyop comment

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>numbers fag breaking containment
Go back to your thread, monkey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47297164
gen 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>47297164
Debut an EN3 at a reasonable time to start. People keep repeating the same "it will cannibalize" bullshit but then completely ignore how Sankisei and ID3 revitalized their own branches. The lack of new blood is one of the biggest culprits of the branch's decline in 2022 since pretty much nothing exciting happened for the branch except being at HoloFes. By now we should've been waiting for EN4, not on a 20 month blue ball for a third gen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285616
I have this fantasy where Mori has to fuck my ass otherwise she cannot rap.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being on par with Luxiem in 2023
MythKek

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Lying is a sin, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>watching en whores in the first place
you have no one to blame but yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288275
In other words, you call her Mori because you're a bunch of petty cunts

[Anonymous No.]

>>47297743
What even happened? Weren't they doing well with their yumejo crowd?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Living up to their name.
In a few years stories of the good times will be considered mere legends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47298580
CN got bored, and both Vox + Mysta got several drama that damaged their fanbases. They don't even stream as frequent nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>47298580
>>47299911
They still to this day make thousands of dollars more than Hololive does. CCV can be botted. Money can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285130
>Enjoy streams
what streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Literally what are you on about

[Anonymous No.]

>>47299973
>Think corpo chuubas GAF about SC nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
*cough *cough male collabs *cough *cough

[Anonymous No.]

>>47300236
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHOTS FIRED

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck is even going on behind the scenes at this point?
EN is shilled and gets its own concert and fes participation with 3D but it also feels like the branch is fridged or someone's gonna graduate.
the shit cherry on top is that retarded rrat-fueling zero comms policy. i don't get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293102
Ina said in a few member posts that she has been practicing dancing (and how exhausting it can get), so I’m sure that should be at least part of the reason why she is in JP
>>47293199
Don’t think many HoloEN members care much about SC income nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when /vt/ thought EN was cancer not worth their attention period just by nature of not being japanese? I member

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285616
this might be the actual reason, because as some other anons mentioned yabs are slow acting and what she would lose are fans not casuals. the bulk of her viewers and holoen viewers in general are grey casuals. it is the most in realm possibility of the cause of her sudden decrease. odd that the horse stuff didnt actually help her.

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>>47300829
Only if you listen to shitposters. CouncilRyS have been going strong (even Kronii is coming back to her top form). Myth has been going as usual and the ones who are MIA have their own reasons.
Only Gura’s absence can be questionable, but knowing Gura, you probably will have to kill her first before telling her she can’t be Gura anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293199
>get rich quick and bounce once you or your gullible fans get bored, only to waste that money in a year or two
>playing the long game and building a strong portfolio to last for years and possibly gain other opportunities once the vtuber crazy ends, so your future is secured
not saying that the en zoomies like vox are wrong, but the two clearly have different goals

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285613
If you consider the talent in question to be entertainer and not some random thing unrelated thing like singing or drawing, as I do, then most of them don't have talent. Ame and Gura have talent as entertainers. Drawing, mongolian throat singing, interpretive dance, etc ad infinitum are not talents in this case. The talent is entertaining people, live. That is what they are doing and it is what will win in the end, and it is why Myth was doomed. Myth was predicated on the idea that talent was generalizable, that, for example, a brilliant artist would surely be an excellent streamer. Not so. Council largely was not founded on that bad idea, which is why they will endure and pull ahead in spite of not getting YT algo boost or COVID boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47300945
Anonchama, that happened in /jp/. By the time the board was created EN was well accepted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47292589
you forgot ground pounding their mothers

[Anonymous No.]

>>47294591
most of her non eop viewers know shit about her besides she raps and is cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>>47285613
>has maintained quality and hasn't reclined. She is in the best position of anyone in myth
>Kiara has effort and consistency and talent which keeps her chugging onwards
And how is that going for her viewership numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
Death by a thousand yabs; each misstep caused her to lose fans slowly until she arrived at her current situation. She's trying everything to fix her situation but she burned too many bridges with the current fanbase to get a second chance. Her only hope is that EN3 brings in enough new viewers and lapsed fans that don't already hate her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286697
That's mostly a pretty accurate assessment but I think Gura and Ina's apathy is more due to burnout.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47301056
>even Kronii is coming back to her top form
She's just not spamming shitty content like she usually does since her return. I don't know if this is a 'new' Kronii or if she'll just go back to her usual 'cruise control' stream choices.

[Anonymous No.]

man, if #fags were responsible for any of the decisions these bitches would be streaming Minecraft 24/7
thank god they're just reduced to screaming over graphs in here

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305290
Go back to your "hidden" containment thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47302122
Well, it's also obvious none of Myth feel like they want to be there. They all have "first choices" they're giving up, even Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305290
This. /#/fags can care about CCV, subscribers, and superchats. Some of the least valuable metrics of success for a content creator. I'm happy my oshibdoesn't cater to them and just does what she wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305290
This. Thank god these foul bitches are way too self absorbed to give people what they want, so they end up with less money and without making an impact on the industry
Making #fags seethe is just a bonus on top of that

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288142
They are not on the first year contract anymore. She's on the same type of contract Ayame and Aqua are on now.

[Anonymous No.]

There's very little point caring about any of this, you missed the golden age of vtubing by several years at this point. Myth started at the absolute tail end of it and that is being generous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47295034
>Myth is best as a group.
>Them bouncing off each other is what makes them great
What the FUCK am I reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285953
>retire
You idiots don't get it, she already has. Whatever she does now is just for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305099
It feels like Gura's burnout has been a slow settling in ever since some fuckwad got too much info on her a few months after debut. There wasn't an immediate change but Gura for her first 2-3 months is noticeably different from later on.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you think random streamers on the internet owe you streams unless you're well aware you're far too emotionally invested in someone who you don't even know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305099
>burnout
Gura is just being spiteful. She hates her fans more than ever before, she promised to do more because members have been too patient with her (she said so herself), she also promised a watchalong this week but it's already the weekend and she just disappeared until she made that pointless tweet about garlic bread. Everybody is screaming at her to communicate more with her fans and she thinks that stupid tweet is gonna cut it. That's not the communication we want, she knows well but she doesn't care in the slightest.

Why is she being spiteful? if you lurked her general you'd know about the Valheim thing that happened in 2021, basically she canceled streams to play offstream with her friend (male). When people found out, she got mad. She mocked us changing her steam username to something that says "cope" then she created a new account and proceeded to play with her friends again.

All her group was online in the past few days and, even if her account is private, you can safely assume that she's been playing games with them for the past 2 weeks instead of doing what she said she was going to do for us fans who support her with our work (our wages) and fanarts, in spite of everything she did to us. We never say mean things to her in stream because we just love her too much to hurt her, we can only vent on shitholes like these to feel a little less pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288494
>pulls in more than* they pay her
yeah they get a paltry salary, i think she can coast on this until she's dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
her initial fanbase has gotten older/more busy as COVID became less of an emergency
so instead of watching streams they just play the latest album on spotify
i don't even think kpop stars would make it as frequent streamers but someone can correct me if i'm wrong, at some point there's too much output that only the most parasocial viewers are there day in and day out and mori doesn't really go for those types anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
First time I read about the mocking. Are you sure you aren't mistaking her for somebody else?
I remember the Valheim schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47294140
The biggest sign for me that things were off was that one Myth 3D collab last year. Gura was the only one to not use VR which is understandable given her prior nauseous reactions with it. But putting that aside, she was very disengaged for the entirety of the stream, largely doing her own thing solo and separate from the other Myth members. Then when it came to picking out a favorite memory, hers specifically featured Council members unlike most of the moments the others selected. The cherry on top was her (and Mori) shitting on Cover management at the very end and Kiara sassing back that they are just as much at fault for any issues ongoing. The whole stream vibe felt off and Gura was 75% the cause of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
There's 3 reasons for the decline.

1. The COVID buff is over
2. Lack of streams / innovation (a lot of ideas have already run their course)
3. Competition (likely biggest factor)

I mean, just take a look at this board and how it's changed over time. Back in late 2020, early 2021, probably over 90% of the threads were Hololive related. Now, it's probably, what, 40-50% on average? The EN Vtuber scene has expanded drastically. Several more EN Vtuber companies exist (e.g. Niji EN, Phase Connect, Idol EN, etc) plus Vshojo. To top that off, you have an ever-expanding indie Vtuber scene on Twitch. There's even AI Vtubers now (e.g. Neuro-sama with 300k followers).

So not all of the decline can be contributed to lack of streaming by some of the talents. That's not to say it's negligible, but there are a myriad of factors at play, most of which I'd argue are out of their control and just a consequence of the overall growth and diversification of the medium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306927
I fully realised how checked out she was during the Myth meetup in Japan... Gura was just like a raincloud the whole time, standing away from the microphone, only uttering a few words and even refusing to participate in the girls' acapella.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fpCyPKn0E

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306927
The WWE poll accident made her full of spite because her fans realized she was betraying them. She's been spiteful since that day and now she's dropping the mask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47307107
While competition definitely grew in the last 2-ish years HoloEN also essentially stagnated with the absurd waiting time for a new gen. New blood is always good for these situations because it opens up possibilities that weren't there with the old members, something that we see all the time with HoloJP. Not debuting an EN3 in 2022 was the single most retarded decision Cover has ever done for the branch, and their bet that all of the girls would be more willing to collab with StarsEN compared to JP failed spectacularly, not to mention how the absolute majority of the Hololive fans ended up not interested in them including those who gave them a shot early on, and outside of whales they weren't able to pull a Luxiem and grab a decently-sized new audience and nowadays they're barely doing better than StarsJP. Basically the branch didn't try to fight the competition and while they're still really big a huge portion of their early fanbase scattered around to other agencies who gave them content that they couldn't find in HoloEN, said content that could've been there if there wasn't only 10 members.

[Anonymous No.]

>CCV is all that matters
Why are /vt/ dramasisters like this?

[Anonymous No.]

hololive is all bad bad

[Anonymous No.]

Death to all numberfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47307729
qrd on the poll incident?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308062
The poll site she used showed the country the poll was made from. Her poll said Sw*den.
There was an outrage and a war between cucks who pushed the proxy rrat and the unicorns who claimed she betrayed them.
After the Valheim accident it's pretty obvious that something was going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308215
interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>47307899
Shame that they used manpower on Tempus instead of trying making inroads into the EU market. Fauna got a stable 10k on EU prime time, the retards at Cover probably just looked at chickens numbers and thought that no one in EU watches vtubers (and ignored the indies that stream at that time)

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285613
>>47285953
>>47286158
>Going 3 years gura hasn’t lost much of anything
>Kronii has some of the lowest streams of her career in the last 6 months. One of the lowest minecraft, lowest zatsu, lowest sc, lowest numbers for a trash game, birthday is lower, sc are lower. Right no decline
>Bae is a shitter always was a shitter closer to falling lower than inclining
Streaming does not matter if you’re just a bad entertainer or do a 180 on how you used to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286422
Why not show her original I’m greedy? Why show the vtuber meme cover of the season? Even comparing salamander to it the growth is less than half. B-But she still does better than other girls and yet it’s still a fall

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308349
If they genuinely don’t realize that Kiara’s a shitter, I’m not sure what to tell them at this point. Even right after Myth’s debut everyone knew she was the weak one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47289203
You fell for the meme that people don’t watch streams here. Where do you think all screenshots and soundbites come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47300960
>the bulk of her viewers and holoen viewers in general are grey casuals
That's literally false. Check any stream outside of collabs any she has majority green names on her chat. Other holos share this like Reine and Kiara, and Reine in particular, and I'm not exaggerating, 98% green names. Actually, I checked the other ENs too and they're mostly green names. The ones with the most greynames in chat seem to be Fauna and Gura, but they still hold around 60% so they're still the majority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
>He Believe everything that posting on this board are fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285017
That's how it's supposed to be. No one expects senpai to grow indefinitely, that's why you need constant new gens debuting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286697
Finally, someone on /vt/ who actually spaces out their writing and makes it legible

[Anonymous No.]

>>47307899
Let’s just put it this way. I first got sucked into /here/ because I was bored after Council streamed less way too soon after debut. I’ve now been /here/ long enough to bitch at newfags who make catalog posts without doing their reps over things I’ve seen happen on this board firsthand.
I didn’t expect to actually feel like a /vt/ oldfag before EN3 came out. At this point I’m fairly sure I’ll stop watching vtubers completely before going back to HoloEN, so it’s probably too late to get casuals like me back to caring about them. *Maybe* I’ll watch clips of their debut.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>47300236
Hololive streams, nigger. Stop looking for something you can't find, it's a sign of shitposting obsession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308694
You didn't even read the post. Actually read it and then feel free to point out what what's false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
>We never say mean things to her in stream because we just love her too much to hurt her
Oh, come on. The real reason is that she’d use everyone else in the chat to dogpile on you and you know it. And that’s fine. Most of us stay quiet in front of vtubers and don’t complain except on /here/ because it’s not worth getting clowned on to criticize e-celebrities openly.
Their own punishment is having to come /here/ to see what we really think of them and having to sort through the schizo posts, many of which probably attack their insecurities. Gura’s punishment for being such a shit vtuber is to have to deal with the obvious misery of being in HoloEN (at least, misery to her).
Besides, if what you all said was true, then she’s acting just like a fleshtuber with her contempt for her fans. Isn’t the point of vtubers to be able to not care about that shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308349
Ina always had a pretty good audience during EU primetime when she had a consistent schedule, so it's not like Cover only got recent data about it.

>>47308810
But there's always a chance someone in EN3 will bring you or any of the people who stopped watching EN back. There are examples everywhere in the EN scene who are able to grow their audiences so the argument that nobody outside of Japan wants to watch vtubers anymore is retarded, but the longer Cover takes to debut a new gen the more likely these people will find an oshi elsewhere and probably don't care if someone similar debuts under the blue dorito brand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47289761
Literally all of myth except mori with umg thought they’d only get to participate in lives as guest or just holofes. It’s why gura cut back originally they canned her 3D and animation decided to debut males and push the streaming angle giving them literally nothing. NewRyS was set as a tentative late December, could even push to 2023 maybe not allowing her to appear in holofes. A change happened in September to the branch. Maybe Gura’s complaining got to them or maybe they thought sending out more males despite the girls telling about all these cancelled or super delayed projects would cause huge fan backlash (still did). Either way 3D became back on the table starting with Gura, her daki got okayed, they did a last minute halloween on the main channel, Newrys ended up being November they gave out a budget to do 3 separate Christmas covers and let kiara do her website thing.

Some people say it’s Gura getting in touch with JP through Marine but they’re probably the ones pushing the homo unification seeing how they cut the collab ban short for the streamers with 100k debuts, a million sc in a year, and 100k 3Ds oh wait that was holox, there actual most popular debut ever with the fastest/first to break a million sub wait no that’s myth. I got it the lowest debut from a side branch since id1 that didn’t even debut to 100k subs Tempiss the gen with the most fans in the company

[Anonymous No.]

>cover takes 2 years to debut EN3
>it is shit models like Kiaras with shit rigging
I would laugh my ass off, especially when so many have fucked off to watch indies with great models and rigging

[Anonymous No.]

>>47309125
Maybe just maybe it’s not true and the fragile girl that can’t beat kiara arm wrestling that used to eat 1/4 of a hot dog a bite of a big mac and a cracker for the whole day is actually ill

[Anonymous No.]

>>47309598
Yes the most popular western vtuber obviously has the best model in the world. All indies have surpassed kiara because of said model

[Anonymous No.]

>>47309792
>here is some shit please eat it up
ok blue dorito defender, it is not 2020 anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>47300960
It probably only helped her for the actual outfit reveal stream, I don't think it made many people want to watch her.
You know how casuals are, they dunk on what they don't know, and they move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286158
Based fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>47309057
actually i already read it.

[Anonymous No.]

The way Cover squandered their momentum is unreal. If I had to go back in time and straighten them out, I'd start by telling Mori she can't go on Trash Taste. Keep all semblance of male interaction away from the branch entirely. Have 2.0 be IRyS's design from the start, she'd be at 1 million subs without people writing her off due to the goblina model. Implement the LEG policy (Loli Every Generation), and make Mumei into Council's loli. The LEG policy alone would probably have Mumei, Kronii, and maybe Fauna above 1 million subs. Debut EN3 in Tempus's place, which will help patch up the "all of EN is sick and traveling" arc, because they'd just be getting into full swing around that time. I'm not sure if I'd throw Bettel in with Tempus, and debut it in Vanguard's place, or just skip the homos entirely, but either way, no male collabs for EN, period, CGDCT is the expressly targeted niche. I'd be sending Pikamee a contract offer she can't refuse to be the LEG member of EN4, and getting ready to debut it in a few months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47311236
Cover told Mori to go on Trash Taste. Literally to fish EN viewers because of their misguided idea of the userbase, and for those sweet bookwalker sponsorships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305191
My stance has always been that content choice is part of a streamer. If Kronii is back to streaming what her viewers like, she is back in form. If she eventually decides to go back to kusoge, I'll just say that her form slips again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47309874
That's one of indies' biggest misconception, anon. Truth is, models don't really matter that much. As long as it passes a certain point and looks fine, it's good enough. They are entertainer and content creators, not e-whore, they don't need some super amazing models as long as their contents are great. That's why neither Hololive nor Niji focuses too much in their models, and yet they still effortlessly crush all the competitors.
If model quality matters that much, Bae would have been the most popular among Council, not Fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>47312169
>Niji focuses too much in their models, and yet they still effortlessly crush all the competitors.
Then why is Ethyria, Iluna, Xsoleil, the new NijiJP homos and 5/7 of the new NijiJP girls shitters then? Most rest on their old laurels, even HoloX that was shilled out of the wazoo had big problems catching on and still has a bit of a problem

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAAHHH THE NUMBERS
EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE NUMBERED.
The numbers of subscribers. The numbers of views. The numbers of likes. The numbers of comments. The numebrs of streams. The numbers of streaming hours. The numebrs of superchats. The numbers of memberships. The numebrs, numbers, NUMBERS, NUMBEEERS AAAHHHHH I NEED MORE NUMBERS.
The numbers of posts. The numbers of antis. The numbers of votes on polls. The numbers of ogeys. The numbers of rrats. The numbers of doxxes. The numbers of her body count. Numbers, I can't live without the numbers. I cant function without them, each waking moment I need numbers. The numbers of the amounts of farts she did. The numbers of pukes. The numbers of sneezes. The numbers of hair follicles on her little cunny. The numbers of her healthy eggs that can be released into her womb. The number of wrinkles on her anus. Numbers, numbers, NUMBERS OF MEDS, NUMBERS OF SCHIZOS, NUMBERS OF MENTAL ILLNESS ACROSS THE NATION. When I go to sleep, all I see are her numbers, they keep ticking and I cant shut them off. I count each number of my oshi, counting the numbers of things I know about her and the number of things I don't. I have scripts that go through the threads and calculate the number of posts for her. The numbers against her. The word count numbers. The letter numbers. The image numbers. The UUUUOOOOOHHHH numbers. The numbers of [DELETED]. I cross reference the numbers and build new number based narratives out of the numbers.
I run multiple ranking sites to see the numbers go up and down. I number post on /vt/. Numbers on /hlgg/, 5ch, 2ch and all other places. Numbers, numbers, NUMBERS NUMBRES NOOMBIES NUMBERS

[Anonymous No.]

>>47312519
Welcome to Earth, anon. Everything can be turned to and is judged by their numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293738
>viewer counter even lower next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Kiara's "solid position" is still borderline NijiEN-tier. If you shack is standing next to a skyscraper and one day that skyscraper collapses into rubble the shack remains a shack. The thing is, in that example at least you could go and snatch yourself some rocks from the rubble to reinforce your shack, but Kiara isn't really gaining anything other than brownie points on veetee from the rest of her gen collapsing around her. The only thing she got for her effort was being able to run in place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308215
>Gura is paranoid.
>Nord VPN defaults to Sw*den, which is where they're based.
just give related information before (you) make a conclusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285179
>"Serious question"
>Taking this retard at face value
You're either OP or need some serious help with your fact checking

[Anonymous No.]

>>47312519
Nigger, numbers reflect viewership which reflects quality (imperfectly but whatever). If a business who's entire goal is making numbers bigger (subscribers, viewership, superchats) has their numbers go down, vastly, then that means something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47314716
i think you're just sexually attracted to shacks. shed fucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>47316164
NTA but
I'd do anything to get into Bae's shed... if you catch my drift ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>47311236
It's amazing how many mistakes EN management made in hindsight. People say the reason EN is declining is because no more Covid Buff, but realistically if they didn't fumble the ball so much they could have rode the covid wave and when it ended they could still be make steady, albeit slower gains. I genuinely wonder if part of the reason none of the girls stream is because management, behind the scenes are just insufferable assholes and they make it unenjoyable. OmegaTranny seems the type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47308215
Who cares if you know what country she's in? Are stalkers going to wander around Sweden with a net gun looking for her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47316589
Imagine all the permission bullshit we dont hear about, wasnt there someone who leaked that they had to wait 2 months for permission to stream a game. Anyone would have lost the will to do that stream so imagine it happening in a large scale. Of course it will make most hate streaming or just following the game that all of hololive is playing right now

[Anonymous No.]

The kernel of truth in the wave of shitposting is that several of them have heavily minimized streaming as their focus, but in this case it pays to not be transparent and collect the membership gibs

[Anonymous No.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/bannedvtmemes/status/1646905835073798145

Say hi /vt/! This thread is his next post! You're on twitter!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306907
but didn't western fandoms say there's no use on parasocial fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>maintained quality
How does she maintain something she never had to begin with? She hasn't declined because you couldn't go any lower

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285613
Ina has said many times that she has bad luck. I believe there will be a major change in 3 to 5 months that will retroactively explain what has been going on with holoEN. Just a random fact but Aruran had to wait 37 months to get a redesign.

[Anonymous No.]

>Enter thread
>SEAseething about Mori

errytime

[Anonymous No.]

>>47309536
fuck Cover for shilling the homos so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47317130
It was Rrat and it wasn't 2 months, it was almost 2 years. She talked about it in her Typing of the Dead stream that she wanted to play the game after watching Miori's stream that happened in June of 2021, 2 months before Council's debut. She's been waiting for perms since before debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
Chumpedophile... I...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47312519
MAGIC NUMBERS

EVEN SACRIFICE

I CANT FIND A WAY

CAUSE NOTHING STOPS THE EYES

[Anonymous No.]

>>47300236
Based and true

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
damn i can't believe my rrat was real all along
it doesn't help that she's been made the face of cgdct so NEVER EVER is she going to risk even acknowledging another man on camera
i'd feel bad for her if i didn't know she could just retire any second she wanted but i'm sure getting trips to japan helps

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
So she really is as bad as all the rrats claimed? I'm sorry to hear that chumpedo, genuinely

[Anonymous No.]

Just take the Council pill. Quit holding onto jaded relics like Myth. Council can be your home, and they want you there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325414
i wish mumei all the best, but i have left hololive behind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325414
>Going to a gen that streams even less than Myth

LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325823
>council
>streams less than Myth
What drugs are you on, holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325414
Moom's a cute autist, but like it or not, the forbidden knowledge is a deal breaker to a lot of anons unfortunately

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
So Gura pulled a Laplus? Ha ha, serves her chumbuds right. Just drop your membership and not buy her merchandise. Even Ayame can do better than the wannabe in terms of SC and merch despite her hiatus.

[Anonymous No.]

i just watch ID. They speak english most of the time except kobo

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285010
>B-but Nijisanji!!!

Every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285953
You seriously underestimate just how much money each hololive member makes, to say nothing about Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325959
But the only one who doesn't have something equivalent in Myth is Ina...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
As long as Ame keeps streaming, I'm a happy camper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325959
As long as Moom keeps m*le shit away from streams im fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>47326108
My post wasn't in defense of Myth though

[Anonymous No.]

>>47326192
I'm just saying, only like 2 members in EN don't have that kind of thing, so it's pointless to even bring up. Especially when it's all pre-debut shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>47306495
I knew Gura was based

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325414
she just rude as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori - annoying thot that think she can sing. Also really want to appeal to black guys... But they don't watch vtubers. Also ugly in RL.

Kiara - double faced thot. Literally. She is still selling her soft porn photos. You can get them in few jap sites. Mostly in lingering. Heavily photoshoped as she have kinda ugly face and small tits.

Ame - obvious drug/alcoholic is obvious. Zero energy for most of time. Get good only when high. Stream often to get money for her meds.

Ina - who? Ah That chick that had a baby and now realize that being vtuber is not really good for long term income.

Gura - gura is weird as she have good sens of humor but she is that chick that milk her BF often and are picky as fuck on everything. Love money but doesn't want to work to get them. Have 2 other channels that post the same content and slowly get more views she wilk probably switch to them to milk viewers as she hate contract she made with holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331318
>She is still selling her soft porn photos.
she is not, you retarded femoid.
also
>soft porn
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331575
Last set is from December...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Why are KFP like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331318
Post tits or gtfo roastie

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
rip myth

[Anonymous No.]

>>47312519
Cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Ina doesn't stream but she clearly still cares about hololive and the other Myth girls. Gura just looks like she doesn't give a shit anymore. All the others are fine, numberfriend

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
>kiarafag
She's the most consistent, that much I will agree with, but she's consistently mid to low. The others were rollercoasters with high highs and low lows, Kiara is basically a straight line that doesn't incline or recline.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kiara was shit and she's still equally shit so she's winning.

Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>2021 - Sea of Orange (kiara hate)
>2022 - Sea of Pink (Mori hate) and yellow (Ame hate)
>2023 - Sea of blue (gura hate)
Myth has been a hate magnet huh…

[Anonymous No.]

>>47339688
I think the problem more has to do with the sea in this case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47286697
I can't really agree with Ame and Mori "biting the hand that feeds them" Ame has slowed down in content and been playing shit no one cares about and has slowly been overtaken by council. People act like the "get fucked faggots I'll play a game some homos once every 3months" was some kind of career killer when that's always been her position and has been known and she was already on the decline when that happened.

Mori has never bitten the hand that fed her, retarded faggots try to force her into doing whatever autistic shit they want her to be like and she tells them to fuck off. What killed her is that she 100% tries to tango with all of her antis and lets them live rent free 24/7. People get tired of the drama along with the twitter troons throwing hissy fits about her being "rayciss", it's just outright killed her numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47332129
Sauce or it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.]

Is this sneaky /#/ thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288142
they don't have a minimum after the first year

[Anonymous No.]

>>47295034
I'm a day one MythFag but holy shit dude. They have NEVER had chemistry even CLOSE to CouncilRyS even at their most awkward collabs. SNOT and CHAD exist because Gura and Mori figured this out early and naturally have more fun on stream with their chosen cliques.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47297743
typical CouncilRyS W
thank you twitter lesbians

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331318
>That chick that had a baby
I like this rrat

[Anonymous No.]

Orange woman good.

[Anonymous No.]

I get that Ina still does bug art, but what is Gura's excuse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47316763
Rrats are that she has a swede bf, idk how true it is though cause its pushed by schizos

[Anonymous No.]

all true btw
but also all true about nijisanji (btw)

[Anonymous No.]

>>47285017
And yet I'm still not gonna watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>47295034
Myth has as much chemistry together as JP Gen 2 lmao. Their collabs are awkward as fuck with 2 of them barely talking and Kiara needing to do 50% of the heavy lifting in conversations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47344680
It makes absolutely no sense, it's entirely based off a youtube poll. If Gura were going to travel internationally to visit her secret boyfriend she just wouldn't bother to stream, I think her current output shows that she has no problem with that option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47344592
She left her child her in-laws for a few months and it needs breast milk because the bottled stuff isn't that good. The problem is Gura produces such little breast milk that it takes a physical toll on her whenever she feeds her baby.

[Anonymous No.]

Take the indie pill

[Anonymous No.]

>>47325959
I'll bite, what forbidden knowledge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47298057
It is completely on-brand with this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293444
first one's correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>47301591

That's the thing, NOBODY in Hololive or Niji is playing the long game, hell most dropped out of school as a trade-off

They're more concerned with Pussy/Dick flapping breaks and their passive income from losers without significant others, so it's a cake eating situation with "talented" Retards pretending this career will last another few years (And God i fucking hope not)

Morale of this comment: Get a Real Life

[Anonymous No.]

>>47305099
Burnout from fucking what, nigga? Gura doesn't do jackshit. I guarantee you the average viewer works more in a week than she does in three months, and that's factoring in half of them being unemployed NEETs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331318
You are so fucking ESL that it's spread to me and I feel like English is my second language just for having read that garbage. Good points though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47311236
>I'm not sure if I'd throw Bettel in with Tempus, and debut it in Vanguard's place, or just skip the homos entirely
I don’t *inherently* hate the idea of HomoEN. But the way it was implemented was so fucking bad it’s mind boggling.

[Anonymous No.]

i stopped watching mori cuz i got bored of hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>47358900
Honestly they should've just went with the initial plan of debuting 6 members. It would be enough members to hold out for a while without the need of spamming collabs with HoloEN, and the collab ban should've never been shortened in the first place, especially when StarsJP were the last ones to know about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you call ame shitter thou? Dont understand at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>47293514
>He took it personal and proved her point
Lmao get dunked retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>47284805
Okay KFP Member very nice. Thank you for showing us, Now can you sweep that side Table and Mop up like I asked you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47288075
i always thought mori was the first name

[Anonymous No.]

>>47354933
Why are you so mad? Or better yet, why are you even on /vt/ if you clearly hate vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't forget IWyS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371808
it's weird that EN follows the JP naming convention (last-first) but ID only sometimes follows that, for example
Ayunda Risu (last-first)
Airani Iofifteen (last-first)
Moona Hoshinova (first-last)
Kaela Kovalskia (first-last)
so i don't understand why EN doesn't have the EN naming structure if ID is allowed to deviate

[Anonymous No.]

>>47317639
God I wish they'd get stomped out somewhere
Actual SEAniggitry shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331318
>Mori - annoying thot that think she can sing. Also really want to appeal to black guys... But they don't watch vtubers. Also ugly in RL.
she's cute AF, Stay mad ESLSEAnig

[Anonymous No.]

>>47372414

The real Question is, why are you so Invested?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47331318
Take your meds and learn English

[Anonymous No.]

>!
https://poal.me/3mmmzj
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>>47285017
I'm happy they're not living in Myth's shadows anymore.

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Good lord who would wanna join hololive when they have to deal with you faggots.
Please get help, like the kind you or your insurance pay for.

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>>47284805
>Ina
Hololive was always a side gig for her. She was always an artist first and foremost. Nobody should be surprised.
>Ame
Killed herself with the tempiss cock sucking.
>Mori
Killed herself by being a general piece of shit.
>Gura
Is autistic.
>Kiara
You can dislike her as an entertainer and as a person but it was always obvious that she took the gig the most seriously, being an aged and failed idol wannabe and this being her last chance for success. So, no surprise that she held out the longest.

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This thread is a great showing of why the numbers thread is a fucking awful blight on this board.

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>>47380216
nice copypasta.

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>>47378845
Debuting after all of Myth reached 1 millions subs must've sucked really bad for them, not to mention how hard Cover fed into the hype with that month long dumb teaser campaign because Omega wanted everyone to experience his garbage lore. I really hope if an EN3 ever happens they chose the Holox or ID3 approach and don't make a huge fanfare about it. Just announce and debut them as quickly as possible.

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>>47284805
It's actually interesting to me because I really hated Kiara in the beginning, as did many others. I felt like all she did was complain, cry and numberfag, constantly victimizing herself. At this point it's clear as day that she's the only one that actually wants this though. Her dedication is undeniable. This is her second wind. I've come to really respect her.

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>>47286383
it gets tiring to hear about shrek and adam sandler after a while.

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Gura will retire after the stock goes public and initial investors cash out

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>>47288494
supas are nothing compared to merch. i don't know how much coco and rushia pulled in when it came to merch sales, but gura pushes merch like absolute fucking crazy with every drop still hitting record levels every time. that's not the sort of cash cow you can just will into existence, so i really doubt they'd want her to go. you also have to remember that they're a publicly traded company now, so the situation is different regardless compared to coco/rushia. they might not have been as willing to release them today when it might have affected their stock price negatively.

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>>47308783
what a subtle message

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>>47317130
I distinctly recall Gura talking about them at one point bringing in new staff, and the old managers directly pointed out Gura to them and mocked her for asking for so many permissions. Gura pushed back on that on stream saying 'but I'm a game streamer, I need game...'.

It was obvious from there that EN was doomed, competent management would be saying things more like "remember talents, if you ever have any ideas for something to stream let us know and we will take care of permissions ASAP for you, don't even worry about it just let us know and we'll make it happen for you, it's our job to worry about those sorts of things.". The idea that they would ever complain to the talents about being asked to do their fucking jobs is a very bad sign. I am convinced HoloEN wouldn't be dying if they had competent managers who gave a shit.

Meanwhile the JP side is doing just fine, by some metrics better than ever. The difference can't be anything other than the relative competence of their management, who are likely not lazy trannies and instead do the things they were hired to do.

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>>47387103
>supas are nothing compared to merch.
read official documents please

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>>47391415
>posts peko
>leaves out her fight with management over rejected projects

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>>47391469
so the talents living in that reality are lying and papers aimed to appease investors are the ultimate truth? okay lmao

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>>47391415
i honestly can't understand how anyone thought the 'you're asking for too many games' comment was appropriate
there's a reason gura said she'd just be watching what kaela plays for perms; somehow she has perms for new games every other stream, to the point where her manager uses it as a motivator for her to do her holohomework 'no perms until you do your homework'

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>>47392497
>to the point where her manager uses it as a motivator for her to do her holohomework 'no perms until you do your homework'
I understand completely why she fucked off then. I know that she is too shy and limpdicked to do anything about it, but if it where me I would just send an email to A-chan/Yagoo/whatevs and just say choose my manager or me

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>>47392830
that comment is referring to kaela's manager, we don't know what gura's manager does
i did word it kinda poorly though so my bad for the confusion

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>>47392940
Ah might just be a case that I am just tired and retarded too

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>>47393028
perhaps, here's the clip where she talks about it (it's more of a theory than hard proof, but still)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czVF-Ilff5c

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>>47341512
Amelia is fucking boring thats her issue. Stars collabs who cares she did like 4 then didnt do another for nearly 4 months and it was a call in to replace Kronii. Its just strange insecurities of certain groups who want something to blame Amelias general decline which has actually been seen across most of the big EN corpo scene since middle of 2022.

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>>47391415
This only got worse after Rrat talked about the perms for Typing of the Dead.

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>>47284805
>Kiara used to be the punching bag of all numberfags for the longest time and now, simply by not fucking up, she has ended up in the most solid position of anyone in myth.
I'm proud of her

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>>47302122
This. Myth was largely considered lightning in a bottle by most people because it consists entirely of extremely "talented" people. Turns out that the talents these people have are actually not the talent to be a long-term entertainer. Despite Council being considered "meh" by most of the people here, they will prevail much longer than Myth, just on the basis of not fucking up and staying relatively consistent.

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>>47285877
that bae is soul, can I have a full body?

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en is dying. the only hope is bae and kiara. en 3rd gen should have passionate and extrovert weeb members with high japanese skills like them.

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>>47286158
>mumei mysteriously inclining even while on break
People liked her fes stuff, not really a mystery

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>>47399928
>en 3rd gen
lamao

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>>47297689
>Debut an EN3
Close the en branch. Don't add more useless whores to the mix.

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>>47305290
>these bitches would be streaming Minecraft 24/7
They arent?

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>>47351367
>If Gura were going to travel internationally to visit her secret boyfriend she just wouldn't bother to stream
Lol

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>>47351367
I distinctly remember it existing before the poll and it just added fuel to the fire

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>>47285257
probably, kfp's oshi is the best in holo EN. things have changed a lot in 2 years.

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>>47304210
kiara refuses to divorce herself from the other holo EN. for her loyalty she is "rewarded" with tanked numbers.

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>>47285017
Because Myth doesn't need to stream to stay relevant.

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>>47285179
She's been helping her roommate a lot

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i'm just glad that brapper is eating shit now

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>>47286422
She also has decent VOD views, better than Kiara at least. Her fans are simply spread out more.

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>>47295034
lol they were always awkward around each other

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>>47339688
Ina Ina Ina...

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>>47406919
who can hate Ina?

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1. If you didn't noticed all holo en members thay doesn't work in Japan suck at streams because they doesn't treat it as work. For them its just a hobby... And you see it in how they stream.
Overall English speaking vtubers lack any work ethics. Some members that are semi Asian try a bit harder but still fail at it.
2. Gura doesn't take money from all merch like toys, it's cover Corp ip, she get only percentage from stuff she is involved(mostly voice stuff). You would need to be moronic company to make contract that give chunk of your profits to random thot that just give voice to your IP Unless she is involved in work on it.
It's not that she sir on money and don't give a fuck. She get nice pile of cash of course but it's not reason why she doesn't stream. She is just spoiled ass. No more no less.

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ok we get it anon you're a waste of sperm, you're mom's a worthless slut and nothing in the world matters