/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>is the most idollike in her gen
>is also the least popular in her gen
why

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
voice and personality
she puts in the work though, so she deserves respect

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
self centered person

[Anonymous No.]

Because w*stoids don't care about idolshit, dancing, or even fucking "entertainment", they just wants some introverted "relatable" girl to make cute soft noises they can fall asleep to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284948
True.
She also had an especially bad start (among her peers) and her talents didn’t lend well to streaming.
She isn’t for me but she is the most admirable girl in Myth and probably council too.

[Anonymous No.]

Because "idol culture" is Japanese corpo-fascist hogwash, just another flashy distraction to keep the working class in the clutches of consumerism. Westerners aren't always treated with kiddy-gloves, so they burn out more quickly, and begin fostering the righteous kind of hatred against this zero-substance freakshow earlier than the Japs.

[Anonymous No.]

She used to be my oshi but her whining and refusal to evovle with her peers set her back. It was just the same boring games and then complaining everyone else was more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
>try hard
>not natural idol
>annoying voice paired with annoying personality
>nothing idollike about her

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
>idollike
there you go

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
there's a lot more that goes into being an idol than just singing and dancing

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
I was part of the underground idol scene back in the early 2010s, and Kiara wasn't liked very much then either.

It was her divisive and drama-filled personality. She might have corpo filter but she really hasn't changed much since, just more mature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285172
They dont even care about that. Most of westoids are twitter virtual signaling faggots that just want to wage pseudo cultural wars via social media, and use other various media figures as weapons. That is why thousands and thousands of trannies are crying in support of holostars and then no one watches them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285569
Futakuchi is that you?
Thank you for using every tool provided by the "corpo-fascists" in order to tell us how to fight those corpo fascists. Dont forget to buy all the latest tech as you're bitching about consumerism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285776
https://youtu.be/ASPrxTnRWW4

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285172
If she was Japanese, she'd be a 5view for the japanese audience. In the west, she's the runt.
Goes to show how much normalfags care about what makes Hololive what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
an idol implies being worthy of worship, that entails a lot of abstract concepts, it doesn't just start and end at singing and dancing

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
The design, in addition to other things people pointed out. I suspect she will blame the design. She alluded to it. She's friendly with the artist, so she won't say it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
orange bad.
but in all honesty, if she debuted now with her current personality, she would have a much better time. Kiara was insufferable for the first 6 months. now she's great

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285848
This is not the "gotcha" you were looking for, anon. The vices of late-stage capitalism must be defeated via its own devices.

[Anonymous No.]

Voice and time slot. If you can get past her voice, you will find one of the more genuine and hard working girls who actually loves her community

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Her filters are like brick walls to most

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285967
I'm fairly certain she had extensive creative control over several aspects of her design before debut, so it's self-sabotage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285930
The word idol lost its meaning in japan when there are porn idols and other type of idols too. Basically pick any profession that puts you in a public light and all of a sudden you're an "idol".

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Gura is more of an idol than her

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285868
7 month 12k view >>43285776 point proven.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that she was horny for a character that looked like her and had a similar name. If she had a clone she would definitely fuck her

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286781
>holostars and then no one watches them.
sure body

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285868
You know it's one thing o see otaku and their glowsticks. But seeing a bunch of fuyos and yumes dancing around to anime dudes its some of the saddest shit i seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286170
either way, the concept itself still has its meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286133
Late stage capitalism isn't a thing. Every commie generation says we are there and it doesn't happen. Not everything in the world is related to capitalism you autistic retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286170
>>43287113
This is large discussion in idol otaku culture in Japan and why vtubers have sort of replaced the AKB style of idols, in some sense.

A lot of genuine oldfag idol otakus consider every idol after social media became prevalent, to be an illegitimate idol. As in, social media ruined people's perception of idols because they no longer had a media/public filter and could no longer be an ideal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286162
You would be very, very wrong. None of them had any say in their designs or backstories.
If you want to see how she'd design a character for herself look at the character she made for the TTRPG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43287377
That's interesting, but a pretty stupid take from them, it just sounds like old man yelling at cloud. Trying to gatekeep human ideals that way is silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>idollike
>im literally looking at her nudes right now on 2nd monitor
>on public record of whoring to support herself in japan after getting conned into a fake idol agency
>the wrestling video
?????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>43287663
Just like oldfags here, it's all a matter of perspective since even I didn't encounter pre-internet idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43287664
None of that is Kiara, so point still stands

[Anonymous No.]

>>43287663
How is that a stupid take when even western celebrities talked about the fact that being a celeb lost a certain aura of mystery thanks to the internet and especially social media. Now even non celebrities become celebrities just thanks to social media and they dont even need to do anything, just pretty much exist. Apply that to old school idol culture. Same shit.
Most of Vtuber idols are complete hacks, they cant sing they cant dance, and cant even play video games decently, which is funny because they do it 90% of the time in between their "idol" duties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Zoomers got filtered by her timezone or game choice so they never discovered she's really cute. Now that the boom has died down everyone in EN has their positions set, and there's simply not enough viewers in the entire EN market to make a difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
They're comedians, not idols.
And she's a terrible comedian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43288538
Kiara shot herself in the foot by becoming Namco's ambassador. When she played minecraft she would get 8-9k viewers, but she played random JRPG's and shit like Attelier and always hovered around 3k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285569
Do you have sticky notes on your monitor and desk to help remember all of the buzzwords?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43289081
Go back, faggot. And then hang yourself and your fucking cat. There are no "updoots" for you here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43288073
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>43289119
>3k
She failed to hit 2k for Tales of Arise most of the time and was still the biggest streamer of that game by one or often even two or three orders of magnitude.
Since then she actually inclined to her new 3k average she has nowadays on JRPG streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
>every other word out of her mouth is shit or fuck
>most idollike
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

absolute dogshit personality, narcissistic, KFP are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.]

>"drama and yab" mentions when EN hasn't had an actual meltdown since the connor yab
vshitshow nijigroid deflection thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43291048
KFP are in love with this, of course they're mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

Samefagg

[Anonymous No.]

>>43291459
>EN hasn't had an actual meltdown since the connor yab
Kronii please, this is embarrasing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43288469
because the definition is arbitrary as fuck and doesn't necessarily have do with being an idol, like in what an "idol" is
they're taking the shit that was meant to represent traits worth idolization (singing and dancing, which is a representation of them working hard and devoting themselves to their dream and to their following/fans, and becoming a higher existence worthy of worship), and tying the term solely to that, instead of what it represents

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
people like whores
whores who dont interact with males and only act like whores in front a screen

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
She begs us to give her videos more views, because she's obsessed with the numbers.
Wrong kind of menhera.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43291660
If Kronii's yab is chernobyl, then whatever the fuck nijiEN and vshoujo have conjured up in the past few weeks is a type 1A supernova.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43292101
Isn't it pretty normal for a streamer and/or youtuber to want people to watch their stuff? Getting people to watch their stuff is what the job entails, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
EN speaking people don't actually like idols. The EN crowd came from people who watch Twitch streamers and nobody cares about Japanese culture of dressing up, dancing and singing on a stage. They only care about anime. Kiara isn't particularly skilled in gaming, nor does she fit any good anime stereotypes out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285496
>and her talents didn’t lend well to streaming
You can say that again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
2+2 Anon, it's not that hard when you've already spelled it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
She tried way too hard to beat Ina to 1m

[Anonymous No.]

>>43297062
and lost

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286797
Which character, her own avatar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43298774
Kiara from tales of arise but besides the dumptruck and being white theyre not similar to me

[Anonymous No.]

She swears too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
I love kiara but her voice is... You know

[Anonymous No.]

>>43297062
I admire your tenacity to hold on that ss for 2 years to finally be able to post it.

[Anonymous No.]

You know, there was a time when she was into Korea culture for a while.
She dropped a lot of EN/JP audiences then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
normalfags get hard-filtered by her chicken voice meanwhile us kiara-enjoyers get hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>43302177
Her swearing is really cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285669
>>43285740
choose one dammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Voice plus stupid design. (Two hats, kamen rider belt for some reason.) You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

[Anonymous No.]

after watching her karaoke stream with reine i reminded again how i really hate high pitched voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Ugly
Annoying
German

Next Question

[Anonymous No.]

>eggroids and POKA doxcord troons still making chicken threads while vshojo and nijiEN are melting down
truly a cargo cult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Not everyone is blessed with good taste.

[Anonymous No.]

Wawa sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
not cunny

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Terrible first impression. The insecure menhera sperging turned a lot of people off, and the voice filtered the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

Idol Culture in general isn't popular in the west, despite that she is still more popular than most of the JP idols.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>43317013
Welp
They're getting blacklisted by Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Most of what makes a vtuber is their voice and Kiara insists on using an annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

1) Japanese standards of idol don't fly in the rest of the world.
2) 99% of the time they're not idols, they're online content creator entertainers.
3) She fails at #2, hard.

She'd have been better off applying to a JP branch and sticking to there; occasionally doing a collab with EN, but generally being a JP talent. I feel like she most likely did do that, but failed even there, so they tossed her to the EN side as a "Eh, what do we have to lose on this experiment?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>43317160

She's not "using" that voice, it IS her voice. Sure, her roommate may have a slightly different voice, but it's still chicken clucking level and annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

People on this board have distorted the concept of "idol" so much that it's basically meaningless at this point. It's a weird cargo cult thing that clearly most people don't even understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43317160
>>43317306
Does Amelia's fake voice never bug anyone? I always here people complain about Kirara's but for me Amelia's always felt so fake and grating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43317632
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>43293479
Kiara literally is an anime girl: high pitched voice, uneducated, laser focussed on the very few things she cares about, stubborn and emotional.
She is very much like the main characters of many manga and anime revolving around a female cast be it Sailor Moon, Zombie Land Saga or Sympho Gear.
Problem is most people outside Japan are fake weebs or even worse ironic weebs. And of course coomers, lots and lots of coomers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43318312
You think people spouting "chicken voice, chicken voice" ever actually watched a stream?

[Anonymous No.]

Mainly voice, but the German personality means she also lacks wit.
Still a nice girl though

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285569
>Get out of the thread Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
shit voice and sound entitled as fuck, real idols dont do that shit, theyre humble and always improving themselves, this bitch doesn't inhabit either of those unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

chicken voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
people are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>43318312
desu Amelia has the best voice in all of Myth imo.
It's way cuter than Gura's and has a nice appealing quality to it. It's not shrill like Kiara's or too sleepy like Ina's or as gruff as Calli's.

Not sure what you are on about.

[Anonymous No.]

she has the capacity to be as great as you say she is, but the issue is that she's petty and constantly whines about shit. First instance that comes to mind is her interaction with Pekora and crying on stream that she doesn't collab with her enough. she has the 'i'm the main character' syndrome and it turned a lot of people off, including me, who was a day 1 kfp

[Anonymous No.]

Watching Wawa since March - April 2021. Kiara has massive filters in place that requires conditions to enjoy her, which is why she can't gain a higher following. This is merely my opinion. Forgive the length.

1/ Menhera has tarnished her reputation. She has gotten her shit together by the end of 2021 and the start of 2022. Her menhera is now limited to vagueposting about work and her health and the occasional self-doubt. She has a long history of failure and humiliation has led to the self-esteem issues. Hololive is her last shot and she will do what it takes to last.
2/ By Myth and Hololive EN standards, Kiara is a social creature. She does frequently talk about being kind of introverted, but compared to how lethargic a lot of Hololive EN members are that is difficult to see. Her extroversion is not necessarily because she wants to be that, but because if she wasn't then Myth would just keep their collective heads down and do their own things instead of coming together. This role she was assigned to, combined with her natural European outspokenness and her Germanic autism about being honest leads to her expressing things none of the others would ever say. - for example, calling out management and the talents when required.
3/ This European nature wards off others. Wavering and compromising on positions is very in line with her upbringing. We have seen it in the various cameos Mamatori has had over the years. It makes her come across as difficult and obnoxious. The "ME, ME, ME." meme is routed in another Germanic quality: Keep the conversation focused on yourself, or how something relates to you.
4/ Saviorfags make up the core of KFP. Actively joining her audience means putting yourself in their ranks. KFP was my biggest hurdle in joining. The flipside is that their extreme loyalty to her has resulted in extreme loyalty returned by Wawa. She will try her best to get to know you even if you aren't donating.
5/ Her choices in games, her European timeslots filters active viewers from NA.

Once you understand the first four points and overcome them, you'll find that Orange woman is in the top echelon of Hololive EN. You don't have to like her, but it's hard to deny that she is one of the few who actually gives a fuck and appreciates the lottery win she was given.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Even being the last popular in her gen is still hugely popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
>least popular
That’s not a picture of Mori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
From the first hour watching her I got the sense that she was a failed stacy, doing rm reps only proved it. She's smart to not go full retard westoid like Mori, Kronii and Finana... and she's not obviously faking it either, like Rie and Shiina.

All in all, she's /cgl/ in every single way. With all the good and the bad that comes with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
because "people" dont want idols they want dancing Monkeys and Whores western fans are the worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
chicken voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>43317109
And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Good that means the gatekeeping is is working i dont want you retards near my wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>43318936
>Kiara is an anime girl
Yes except with sitcom brainrot instead of anime brainrot
>And of course coomers, lots and lots of coomers.
You're going to be hard pressed finding KFP who don't coom to Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
Yeah it’s literally just her voice and her hyperactive personality, she can come off as annoying (although in the context of collabs i like kiara because she brings a certain energy to the table and the other girls always perk up as a result)

[Anonymous No.]

She is a narcissist. And by that I mean Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It's not just part of her act or character, it's who she really is with everyone who knows her.

The signs are clearly there if you watch her streams for a while, and they're unmistakable in her everyday life interactions.

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara is cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43336652
please god be right

[Anonymous No.]

>>43338222
most people who are in the public eye a lot like celebrities or politicians or online a lot like content creators or 4channers are extremely narcissistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>43293405
Its normal to want people to watch your stuff. The problem is when you come off as desperate. It's a delicate balance to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
>Swears like a sailor for every little nuance
>Anon think this is the most idol like in her gen
why

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286162
>Yes clearly the woman that has zero interest in Tokusatsu would pick a Tokusatsu belt
God where do you retards come from, STFU

[Anonymous No.]

>>43286162
I am fairly certain that you are a retarded seething schizo who is completly wrong, now kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>43290977
exactly this, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>43336890
Of course KFP coom to Kiara but she doesn't have the immediate appeal needed to bring in new coomers like Shylily or Veibae do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
I respect her for that, but she's too much of a pick me type of girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285060
She's a woman, anon. Of fucking course she's self centered. The fuck kinda comment is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
>Literally Bottom left
>Idollike
Please stop posting here, Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>43344318
you retard have literally no idea what pick me means..... baka

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285868
Fucking gay as hell. Why are they pushing this shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43285172
Sounds pretty kino desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>43284857
model and voice debuff. still think she deserves success but i'm not interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43344618
an objective comment you stupid nigger
what kind of comment is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>43344762
>Muh bottom left
Go back Redditor

[Anonymous No.]

Love, hate all the same
if you know, play the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>43346531
seggss