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42371606 No.42371606 [Reply] [Original]

Would you learn japanese if EN never came out?

>> No.42371680

>>42371606
I wish EN was never a thing

>> No.42371714

lol no, I'd just wait for clippers to translate memorable moments

>> No.42371749

I have no intention of ever learning JP but I still enjoy watching best doggo

>> No.42371842

EN and coco is making vtubing a global phenomenon. We keep using their terms and lingo. Engrish will be the new language of the world.

>> No.42371895

>>42371606
No, I just wouldn't have ever started watching Vtubers.

>> No.42371972

japanese is too hard

>> No.42372027

>>42371606
you should've absorbed nip into your brain as a natural byproduct of watching anime for 10-20 years before vtubers even existed, at least that's the path any real weeb would've taken

>> No.42372063

>>42371606
I've learned it way before vtubers became a thing

>> No.42372081

No, because EN/ID are better.

>> No.42372112

>>42371606
My eventual hatred of western women encouraged me to start learning Japanese:
>relied on clips but still watched JP streams
>Myth debuted
>mostly watched EN from that point
>EN got bad and destroyed everything I loved about vtubing
>switched back to JP and started learning conversational Japanese
It's not easy but it's still better than EN.

>> No.42372160

>>42371606
You will naturally learn a bit of JP the longer you watch them anyway. Just enough to know common terms as sufficient context to understand things.

Assuming you have a normal cognitive capacity anyway.

>> No.42372169

>>42371606
you don't even need to be fluent to understand most JP chuubas because they are boring as fuck and only repeat what just happened in the game and then ask rhetorical questions, Makes it easy to learn because they are so fucking boring

>> No.42372354

>>42371606
Aren't the vast majority of the EN audience learning English?

>> No.42372632

>>42371606
yeah because I can't explain to my parents that I'm watching something that I can't even understand other than oppaidaisuki

>> No.42372662

>>42371606
If anything it made me redouble my efforts. Only there, in that faraway land, is the light.

>> No.42372812

>>42371606
People here act like learning a language is an useless pursuit but watching a brainless thot avatar is a productive use of time.

>> No.42372852

>>42371606
why would I learn a dying language

>> No.42372901

>>42372632
Chinchin chinchin oppai! Booing booing
Best lyrics ever

>> No.42372914

>>42371606
Don't waste your time learning a dead language. Half of JP members can barely read kanji.
Haato once streamed some imas mobile game and chat kept making fun of her because she literally couldn't read the dialogue. Can't believe they haven't switched to a sane writing system yet.

>> No.42372929

>>42371606
I wouldn’t watch vtubers at all if EN wasn’t a thing

>> No.42372995

>>42372914
they had their chance in the 1890's and again in the 1960's it's too late now

>> No.42373146

>>42372914
>Don't waste your time learning a dead language
But I'm not learning french

>> No.42373204

>>42372081
>EN
yes, i agree
>ID
kek, its like japanese but worse. When would you think "Man, i wish i know Indo to understand these things ?"

>> No.42373373

Learning JP is what got me into watching vtubers.
>>42372914
Much of that is kayfabe (like Miko purposefully misusing kana is part of her lore), Chammers was hamstrung by studying outside Japan but based on what other members say about her language skills she's a skilled polyglot. Korone only struggles when the game is purposefully using "old timey" kanji for world building. The kanji quiz shows they play on the main channel are like the Scripps spelling bee where the words are ones you've never heard of.

>> No.42373611

>>42371606
Actually yes. I was just starting to get attached to some JPs right before EN came out, but I never quite got to oshi level in time, so the switch was too easy.

>> No.42373650
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>>42371606
>hey guys let's have a unique letter for every fucking word!
Demented language.

>> No.42373699

>>42373650
When like 27 of those words are pronounced "shou" it starts to make sense.

>> No.42373718

I would just stick to ID. They spoke English before EN came out.

>> No.42373750

>>42373699
Somehow not a problem when it's spoken.

>> No.42373760

I would learned some Japanese but not a lot to fully understand full sentences, plus we have clippers who do know the language to translate everything into English.

>> No.42373770

>>42373650
do you read every letter of every word your eyes come across?

>> No.42373792

>>42373770
maybe not but I do read every word

>> No.42373806

>>42373760
>clippers translate everything
Even in the 2020 boom this was untrue. Now english clippers only do shorts and bait content.

>> No.42373838

>>42373792
kanji are basically words, not letters

>> No.42373940

>>42373792
English is not your first language I take it? Because it teaches you to never read every letter or else you'll sound dumb.

>> No.42374134

>>42373940
literacy is not your strong suit I take it?

>> No.42374303

>>42371606
No. I'd still be a clipfag.

>> No.42374304

>>42373760
>we have clippers who do know the language
lmao

>> No.42374509

I'm only into this shit because I know Japanese anyway.

>> No.42374717

>>42373750
Because it's extremely contextual and there's no pitch accent markers. With kanji a sentence could technically be interpreted 6 ways (though only 3 of those are common) remove the kanji and it could be interpreted a dozen or more ways and you have to work to reduce it to those three common readings and then guess at which one it should be. it has a delightful elegance to it

>> No.42374893

>>42373750
Even weirder than that Japs develop an intuition for when certain sentences are ambiguous and will pick synonyms to avoid misunderstandings. Eg. kun readings are preferable in speech to avoid ambiguity. Written text use more on.

>> No.42377867

>>42371606
Don't feel too bad. It's hard to justify learning Japanese when you could learn English instead.

>> No.42379366

>>42372662
>Japs: release precure with a tranny, globohomo Harvest Moon, and Gundam - WotC HR Department Edition
In the words of the venerable CS Lewis, the shadow of one dark wing covers the whole globe.

>> No.42379850

>>42371606
no, it's quite embarrassing to know Japanese

>> No.42380013

>>42371606
even some ENs are doing their reps OP, what's your excuse?

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>>42371606
I'm learning Japanese.
>漢字は読めますか?

>> No.42385544

>>42371606
I would get a PhD in Japanese if nuked EN

>>42371680
Fpbp

>> No.42385656

>>42373940
Spróbuj polskiego, rozpierdoli twój mózg
All letters are audible.

>> No.42385778

>>42372063
"I've learned it way before"
My brother in christ you don't even learned English

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>>42385778
>you don't even learned Englis
You didn't either...

>> No.42386010

>>42371606
No, I wouldn't be watching Vtubers period if EN never came out.

>> No.42386108

>>42371606
Before EN vtubers were a novelty, their debut made me come /here/

>> No.42387314

>>42386010
>>42386108
EN was a disgrace.

>> No.42387621

>>42387314
what makes you think people will learn it now when they still didn't for manga/anime/wn/vn?

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42387640

>>42387314
Your birth was a disgrace

>> No.42388079

>>42387621
>convince me to do thing
>I hate thing change my mind
Why are zoomies like this.

>> No.42391308

>>42371606
i miss when eop and clipwatchers were the same thing. en bros can be so insufferable.

>> No.42391392

No. I'd continue to watch JP vtubers without understanding a single word.

>> No.42391540

>>42371606
No, I would've gone down the road and grabbed Haachama, make her my gf, and have her poorly translate peko streams.
this isn't an exaggeration and I'm still pissed she moved back

>> No.42391593

>>42371606
I started doing my reps before EN came out, and never stopped. I have realized why I could never get into EN chuubas: I don't actually find most streamers interesting most of the time. The extra mental tax of listening to one in another language is enough to keep that extra portion of my brain busy instead of it getting bored.
I expect if I eventually get good enough at Japanese I will lose interest as a result...

>> No.42391673

This has always been a respectable approach:

>> No.42391811

>>42391593
This. Luckily Japanese is such a nightmare tier language it will take a very long time to grow bored.

>> No.42393116

>>42371606
fuck no

>> No.42393457

I already speak japanese

>> No.42396784

>>42371606
There are English-speaking vtubers outside of EN so no.

>> No.42397226

>>42371606
No, why learn a language when I could just wait for translations?

>> No.42398608

>>42371606
I was already well on the way before EN, EN did nothing to affect my Japanese acquisition tracjectory.

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>>42371606
Yes

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>>42371606
i learned nip before hololive became a thing

>> No.42400164

>>42371680
Fpbp

>> No.42404616

>>42371606
I've watched enough anime to get the jist of what JP are saying most of the time

>> No.42406339

>>42373204
>When would you think
Soon. Indonesia is undergoing massive transformation in its economy that doomed countries like LATAM never be able to do. Indonesia is going to be a major player and you will think you wish you cared about this previously unknown country sooner or later.

>> No.42407099

>>42406339
The only change is your muslims becoming more radical and fundamentalist.

>> No.42408360

>>42371606
I already didn't like watching western entertainment and started watching Japanese streamers way before Vtuber trend hit and I wasn't exactly that good at Japanese only understanding probably 50% of what they are saying. I think someone like me is rare who just cannot stand any western movies and tv shows. I'm not also liking a lot of e-celebs I see.

>> No.42412456

No

>> No.42412867

I did fan translations of manga and games for years before I found vtubers.

>> No.42413641

I was already learning japanese before Hololive became big, and like many people, it was to escape trannylations in vidya. Hololive just became a great way to practice listening and colloquial speech.
Just recently passed N2.

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