/vsj+/ - VShojo+ General

[Anonymous No.]

1 Million Followers And A Happy Baby Edition

Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo, and any Vtubers frequently associated with them.

Nyanners is at 1 million followers on Twitch! We think. Well, Twitch says "yes", so who are we to argue. Also, during her stream she gave birth (shat out) to a happy bouncy baby floater named Dr. Gabagool Pepper! It is just the sweetest thing you ever did see! Two monumental milestones: the first live vtuber baby birth and 1 million in one steam! Peak Pink Cat Good!

Elsewhere, Mouse is still live and beat Iron Lung (yes really) and was making progress in Faith before she got tired of The Mortis. Froot is live with a Pokemon + Minecraft server called PixelMon. Kson will be live later introducing a new outfit. Those are about all the streams expected tonight, thus, keep things comfy and civil by ignoring and especially reporting bait, and being excellent to each other.

VShojo is:
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/veibae
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

VShojoJP is:
Kson
https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
https://www.youtube.com/c/ksonONAIR
Nazuna
https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna

Related:
総長 + 会長 for dedicated Kson discussion
/るみな/ for dedicated Nazuna discussion
>>>/vt//lig/ for more focused + and ++ discussion

Previous Thread: >>41929126

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>>41949204

whore

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Why isn't pink cat preg- oh well idk what to do now

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i'm in love with moose

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Congratulations pink cat

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>>41949265
Ask where's her 2nd child

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>>41949204
Congrats pink cat
Also I want to fuck gyaru nyan so fucking bad

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>>41949204
Perfect body if tits were smaller and thighs were thinner

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I want sniff Snuffy's butt

[Anonymous No.]

another day of not wanting to fuck any member of VShojo EN

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>>41949330
>>41949389
no gay allowed

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It's weird watching old Nyan clips when she blew up (late 2020) vs her now

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>>41949204
It’s almost like pink cat futa

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Congrats Nyan

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>>41949389
What if they want to fuck you, anon?

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>>41949330
Holy shit taste

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>>41949204
Bimbo cat is PURE SEXO

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cute lich cos

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>>41949421
We were are within you

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>>41949443

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>>41949594
what the hell is blud waffling on about

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>>41949594
i want you to be within me if you know what i mean

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>>41949428
I'm so proud of pink cat, she's come a long way

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Nyan doesn't seem that excited about hitting 1 million.

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>>41949594

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>>41949762
Well it doesn't help that she has no idea if it's real or not because Twitch was just like "yeah I don't think those are follow bots I guess" lol

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>>41949762
Aethel shared his stash collection so Nyan's brain isn't all there right now

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>>41949762
Part of it is she doesn't believe that the almost 120k followers aren't bots, even tho Twitch said they're legit.

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threesome with nyan and mouse

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I literally never saw a single Hime stream

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>>41949762
The fact that it might be due to follow-botting is really feeding the good ol' brainworms.

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>>41949322
I want to be /in/ Gyaru Nyan

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>>41949890
They don't exist just like Hime

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>>41949873
To be fair it's hard to believe they wouldn't be bots because of how huge that jump was. Although it could possibly be them undercounting followers and then correcting it during that time.

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>>41949762
It doesnt really mean anything

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>>41950096
That's certainly possible, but why haven't we seen such jumps with others (that weren't nuked a month later as followerbots)? It is far more likely Twitch is just lazy as shit and doesn't want to hunt and destroy follow-bots anymore.

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why does she write down the dates

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>>41950294
It's one of the few things you can take as a milestone if you are a streamer.

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sotd this week?

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>>41950381
she is drugged 90% of the time. She forgets things.

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>>41950388
And? Still doesnt really mean anything. 1 mil is the same as 999k.

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>>41950381
when a business partner tells you an important date, you should write it down. it's best practice.

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>>41950388
Yeah, and I am sure it would mean something more without the hazy nature of legitimacy. She's also already achieved a million subs on YouTube so it might not be as big a thing anymore to her. I think she IS the only vtuber who has over a million followers on Twitch and 1 million on YouTube which makes it a rather large accomplishment.

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>>41950377
>but why haven't we seen such jumps with others (that weren't nuked a month later as followerbots)?
soda jumped by like 5 million follows a year ago and they still haven't been removed lol

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>aethel was behind the pregnancy title
get out of /here/ aethel

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NYAN JUST FUCKING ABORTED HER CHILD LIVE ON STREAM

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>>41950454
No shit autismo, it's only 1mil and not 999k because 1mil sounds nicer. Point is that it matters because it's a big number.

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>>41950627
And big number matters because?

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>mouse would rather raid an offline channel instead of froot
why does she hate her

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>mouse wants to raid nyan but she is ending
>rather than trying to raid someone else she tries raiding nyan as quickly as possible
mouse pls

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>>41950388
>>41949762
She already got 1m on Youtube. That's way more sought after (even though it's just as bullshit).

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>>41950607
>vei wanted to do that too
Veibros why we keep losing to Pink Cat

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>>41950702
Better person

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Thanks my nigga roboto that at least froot gets a raid.
>>41950381
Days, months, and ages doesn't mean anything when you are stuck in a room, and with the meds and stuff, writing dates is a necessity.

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>>41950702
Because they are the easiest way to tell you have grown as a streamer. Are you autistic?

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>>41949470
>>41949421
sir I have a wife

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>>41950710
>>41950716
Mouse hates Brits unless they're Welsh

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>retarded mouse chat spamming "Too late" in Froot's chat because they missed Nyan
god I fucking hate mousefags

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>>41950710
>thinking mouse will raid anyone other than connor or nyan
how new?

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>>41950482
I was going to make a jerma joke but he only has like 700k on his 2nd channel despite being a 20k andy, the fuck?

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Pink rat cute but pink rat dumb.

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>>41950783
I'm not hearing a "noooooo"

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>>41950776
In that case Vei barely grew at all within 1 year compared to Old Vei

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>>41950878
Why is Rain cosplaying as Mouse

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Mouse chat literally telling her Nyan ended and to raid froot
Refuses to raid Froot and raided an offline Nyan kek

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Man, I love Froot.
I close this forsaken place and just listened to her playing while I work and goddamn, it was cozy as fuck

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>>41950838
Mouse killed Unity

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>>41950838
They're still talking about it. Actually intensely obnoxious

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>>41950986
Mouse basically only raids Connor, Nyan, and maybe Aethel sometimes. Which is fine whatever, but trying to raid Nyan right when she ended was just lol

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>>41950986
She was stubbornly thinking she could beat the timer to raid Nyan. She didn't seem to realize you can actually insta raid someone without a cooldown.

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nazuna kiilled the unity she invited the fucking keyfags. whose idea?

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>mousefag trying to deflect

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>>41951173
ESL-kun plz.

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>>41950846
and Eathel

What I think its funny is that these Nyan and Eathel always try to raid different people and Mouse is one of their last option
Meanwhile, Mouse if it's not one of these 3 people opps my obs crashed as I'm ending

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kson is also revealing something new tonight. no idea if its on youtube or twitch

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>>41951204
>mousefag
I watch mousefag lmao like once.
only nazuna kill yunity

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>>41951238
>Eathel

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Imagine a thread with no ESL. It's easy if you try.

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>>41950794

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Does pixelmon translate to Japanese?

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>>41951238
>Eathel

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>>41951353
Vei didn't show up in Mouse's VR party and didn't wish her a birthday, face it that Polish whore hates Mouse

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>>41951238
>Nyan and Eathel always try to raid different people and Mouse is one of their last option
Lol what?
Nyan raids Mouse like 90% of the time whenever she is on while ending. This was like one of the few times she decided not to. And that's probably because she assumed Mouse wouldn't be on much longer (which is a correct assumption)

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>>41951316
>>41951384
Fuck I'm stupid yeah its Aethel

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i miss geega

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Mouse dislikes Froot because she met Connor first and, let's be honest, Froot is the find of girl that would ride the Welsh bicycle just for fun.

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>>41951463
last year there were anons that were unironically using the fact that nyan raided aethel instead of mouse while both were on once as proof that they're dating because of how unprecedented that seemed kek

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>>41951553
this kills the frootgosling

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>>41951633
So she is cheating on him with Froot now? Kind of hot

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>>41950986
The point you and her chat were missing is that Mouse wanted to raid Nyan and congratulate her on the milestone, that was the only reason she was ending at that moment and she's stubborn. She probably would've streamed for another hour if not for the chat hoppers telling her about it. Froot was not part of this equation.

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Pros:
>good music taste
>cute
>goth
Cons
>british
>likes xQc
dammit froot

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>>41951832
don't try to reason with the schizos

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>>41951832
There's no point posting in good faith about this, literally every stream theres a 90% chance of raid sperging

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Ever since Vei became a dragon things have been shit.

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>>41951759
Nyan x Froot sounds almost as hot as Nyanposter x Frootposter

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>>41950513
>Aethel decided the pregnancy title just so that he can finally stop the ritualposter that keeps asking why Nyan isn't pregnant

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>>41951908
>likes xQc
Why do all our chuubas like him? I can understand Hasan because they share the same opinions as him but xQc is openly hostile to their entire career's existence

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>>41952038
No but something happened at the beginning of last year that separated the girls
call me a schizo but they used to be closer

I feel bad for the JP girls especially Nazuna because literally no one interacts with them
Geega is closer to Nazuna then the EN girls

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>>41952185
cute! I want more cosplay images

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>>41952194
After wondering the same thing for a long time I have come to the conclusion they get the same entertainment out of him you would get out of watching crackheads fighting. Basically him doing retarded shit and being a subhuman is the entire appeal.

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>>41952249

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>>41952194
xqc is just too retarded to take any opinions from him seriously to be fair

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>>41952280
Girls like bad boys like xQc. They get wet when he makes fun of their squeaky voices. It's called negging.

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>>41952185
Do you have that Mousey cosplayer smiling. I remember she has a great smile.

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>>41952215
I don't blame them for avoiding Nazuna, she's a terrible fit into VShojo culturally. VShojo's entire mainstream identity rests on being different from Hololive/being more real/bfs on stream etc while she's literally just doing the exact opposite and continuing with the hololive nonsense

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>>41952215
>something happened at the beginning of last year that separated the girls
It's the BFs
We must eliminate the Soda, Aethel, and Connor if we want to achieve unity

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>>41952329
Dudududude, how can you- how can a-anyone watch a fucking vtuber with a voice like that? Fucking annoyin' dude

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>>41952479
>VShojo's entire mainstream identity rests on being different from Hololive
meds and therapy

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Any reason why you faggots are biting on every piece of bait tonight?

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>>41952482
But even the non BF ones
Mouse used to talk to Mel and Silver all the time for example

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>>41952626
>tonight

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>>41952479
They probably stay away from her to not give her trouble because of her fanbase
I do feel bad because on her Newyear stream with Kson she said she feels lonely in the company

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>>41952482
This doesn't make sense as Connor is not currently publicly dating a VShojo girl

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>mouse stream ends
>people point out how shitty mousefags are being in froot's chat
>they start posting bait to shit up the thread

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i want to be there

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>>41952482
it was already said plenty of times. THE QUARANTINE ENDED!
Everyone moved with the live. People could spend time with their family and irl friends. Only mouse is still the same because she is in eternal quarantine.

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Mousefags shitting up the thread once again

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>>41952479
>VShojo's entire mainstream identity rests on being different from Hololive/being more real/bfs on stream etc
Holocel begone

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>>41952814
They are all Himefags larping as mouse fags

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melfags falseflagging in the thread again, as usual

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>>41952790
Even if you are Mouse things change for you. You make new friends, you start hanging out as much with other friends and shit like that. It's a normal thing.

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fucking bubifags shitting up the thread because she doesn't stream anymore,

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>>41952951
>she
Interesting idea...

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>>41952215
>>41952482
It's half bfs half some of the girls finding new cliques to be apart of

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>>41952951
>she
what do you know anon????

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>>41952896
It's actually Bubifags doing a double false flag operation because they blame Mouse for Bubi's lack of streams.

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>>41952937
just saying, it was easy to collab back there because they have nothing else to do.

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>>41952790
This. Nobody spends as much time on their computers as they did during the dark times in 2020-2021. And now that we can meet up and hang out with friends again, we watch less vtubers. And that applies to them as well.

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Mousefags stop pretending no one else raids outside their bubble just because Mouse won't. Nyan literally just raided Froot. It's a Mouse problem.

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>>41952790
>>41952937
Yeah exactly, things change, shit happens. I bet a lot of people here don't speak to some of their high school friends anymore, it's kinda like that. It's a shame we have a constant rotation of people who have to go into intense, thread derailing arguments over natural things
>>41952951
>she

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>>41953066
Nice of Hime's grandma to cosplay her granddaughter's friends

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>>41953066
whoamomma

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>>41953068
lol does someone still have the ven diagram for the girls cliques

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>>41953068

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>>41953066
Where is that poster in the background from?
asking for a friend

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I can't believe you people still refuse to acknowledge that it was the Nux incident

>wow what could have happened at the end of 2021 that made them go their own ways geez i sure can't come up with anything

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>>41952038
Better Vei died that day when she changed to that shit dragon

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>>41953233

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He's started spamming the thread again because you guys can't help but respond.

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How was Nyan's stream today? typical elden ring stream? or anything notable?

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>>41953233
The reason I'm not counting it is because the new years party and they all showed up to mouse subathon

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>>41953285
She gave birth

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>>41953285
>anything notable?
nothing happened

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>Nobody spends as much time on their computers as they did during the dark times in 2020-2021
normies get out

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>>41953283
It was pretty obvious from the jump who it was.

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>>41952951
>she
You know too much

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>>41953233
>parasocial show
>groomgater vr date streams
>BFs
Surely none of those listed affected unity

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>>41953052
>Nobody spends as much time on their computers as they did during the dark times in 2020-2021

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>>41953283
I'm just reporting every post of his I see but I doubt it will help.

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my favorite vtuber content is mouse/connor streams, nyan/aethel pre confirmation and roberu night mea
what does this say about me

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What really changed is there's no fucking quarantine. It united the girls and once it wasn't a factor they drifted into their own groups.

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>>41953581
You are a shipfag?

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the problem is that bubi doesnt love me

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>>41953581
You like romance, but not relationships. Most romance stories end after the chase for a reason. I do think it's funny that Holofags ignore Roberu and act like it's weird people like Aethel.

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>>41953604
That's not how online friends work, 2022 happens and Vei ditches vtubing community to hang out with fleshstreamers more playing their games as long as Soda is involved, how does no quarantine do that

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>>41953341
lmao
he is right tho

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>>41953019
After Nyan or Aethel said, I think another issue (that might relate to there's no quarantine too), it's that people are busy these days, so most vtubers (because honestly I have only seen the problem with them) just think like "oh dude, what if I'm interrupting something?". Unironically, even if people can dislike him, Sykkuno always goes out of his ways to invite people (whether is annoying that's not the point) but it shows that with just that, you can get easy collabs, because in reality probably no one is busy, but everyone now thinks that since the Quarantine is over, everyone's got something to do.
It's not like before where you could hit someone up, and you know they were at home probably scratching their asses.

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>>41953535
>I'm just reporting every post of his
oh no no no anon

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>>41953797
Even without that vtubers are pretty pussy when it comes to reaching out. I have seen tons of chuubas hwo get told "it would be cool if you collabed with X" and they explain that the only reason they haven't done it is that they are too afraid of making first contact.

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man i love froot voice and demeanor, thank god she isn't playing apex on stream anymore.

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Since I'm about to be banned I just want to say I fucking hate each and every one of you gay ass Mousefags. Any time she screws up you deflect to shit on the entire group. Never does this selfish asshole ever get the criticism she deserves. Fuck each and ever one of you.

[Anonymous No.]

Real talk we need a Vshounen. Everyone else has a male vtubwe branch.

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bye retard

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>>41953985
I'm not against it but I don't really know many decent male vtubers.

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>>41954101
Because Hololive/Niji are actually gobbling up all the decent indie ones.

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>>41954307
Don't they tend to go for non-vtuber streamers nowadays?

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Someone really wanted to speedrun a ban it seems.

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nazuna mental health status?

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>>41954101
There's that RPR guy, Aethel, Taiga seems popular from what I remember, and Bubi can be the Hime of the bunch.

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>>41954454
>Taiga
ew no

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Sneak preview of Souchou's new outfit.

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>>41954476
sexo

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>>41954454
There are others. Shoto, if he feels like he wants to go corpo, Taka if he feels up to it (seeing as how a bunch of his old friends have already joined one of the corpos), Aethel, RPR... you've already got a solid group of people to choose from there.

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>>41954454
>Taiga

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>>41954476
I love BIG ZAM

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>>41954471
>>41954545
I don't follow em, did they do some shit?

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>>41954594
Uh...

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>>41954594
he's a nonce and he started drama with nyans mods

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>>41954594
oh anon

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>>41954594
Pretty damn odd for you to ask this after mentioning Taiga frankly. Nobody mentions Taiga anymore.

Kabhaal would be another good choice for VShounen. Jowel if you're feeling brave. Cy Yu if you want an experienced VA.

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>>41954594
Asked for CP in discord and has been trying to deflect to Nyan ever since because Pomf is just as bad obviously.

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>>41954594
IIRC he had some drama due to being outed as being into shota and loli stuff and (apparently) asking someone to send him nudes of a minor (but since people are retarded they focused on the loli/shota shit).
Recently one of Nyan's mods (who is a vtuber himself) shat on him because of it and Taiga tried to drag Nyan into their slapfight by mentioning pomf pomf and Moonman.

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On a totally anecdotal case, in the last 3 days I heard two different 3 view Japanese vsingers on youtube talking about Vshojo, and specifically for the misnaming of Shoujo to Shojo that sounds hilarious to the native Japanese ears.

I am sure initially the misnaming was most likely not intentional, but I do find it funny that perhaps it actually makes a bigger impression on the Japanese audiences.

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>>41954621
>>41954654
>>41954715
Oh. Well uh yeah I guess that would be a poor pick.
>>41954699
I keep getting YouTube shorts of em but I don't watch or follow them

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I think Roen would be good for VShonen personally

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I want to be groomed by Ironmouse

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>>41954795
fuck off snuffy

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>>41954821
Same

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>>41954795
Is there really a big faggot audience for vtubers? Genuine question. I know there are a lot of them here but I'm talking in general

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>>41954852
Is she ok?

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>>41955046
the hell sexathon took its toll on her

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>>41954795
I like Roen when he's interacting with Snuffy and how he's just a cool bestie in general to everyone in that group but he is not a very interesting person/vtuber solo

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>>41954823
He's genuinely a good streamer
Lots of charisma, always has something to talk about, good game selection
He gets along with everyone well enough whenever he gets invited to group things

It'd be a good pick, AND has the added bonus of lifting up a small vtuber instead of grabbing a powerhouse

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>>41955019
You always have the fujos who love the yaoi bait and might prefer some actual yaoi sometimes.

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>>41955019
The Niji males are pretty succesful and shxtou pulls higher numbers than any other /lig/ger (despite kinda bleeding viewers) so there are clearly people interested.
That said, most male vtubers are permastuck in 2viewdom/low 3viewdom so it's hard to tell if a male branch would actually work.

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>>41955046
Mouse likes it rough and Bubi complies.

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>>41949204
Why is Gyaru Nyan so hot

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>>41955156
I see
>>41955160
But do fujos like really faggy dudes? I thought they liked bl but between somewhat masculine guys

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>>41955326
Fujos love twinks

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>>41955262
Because your cock knows the truth. This is her ultimate form. Her true self. She's denying it, but the cock sees through it all.

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>>41952715
>They probably stay away from her to not give her trouble because of her fanbase
The only Vshojo girl I've seen Keyfags publicly complain about was Vei and that was back before the minecraft collab, aside from that the Keyfags didn't complain about any other Vshojo girl, except on 4chan but that's all the time, and it's not like they had a problem with the Froot and Silvervale collab she did. I'm pretty sure it's just due to her erratic schedule and timeframes.

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>>41955450
I think it's because most of the girls can't speak japanese for shit and using a translator probably feels like a hassle.

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>>41955527
That too, the dreaded language barrier. Nazuna should learn Spanish.

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>>41955450
yeah, none of us except the 4chan clique really complain about the other members, even on 4chan it's like 2 or 3 anons being autistic

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>>41955566
Didn't Nazuna repeatedly voice a desire to learn English?

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>>41955717
What's stopping her?

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>>41955717
Yes, and she is studying English at the moment.

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Maybe she'll invite the girls on stage for her birthday

[Anonymous No.]

>guy who kept spamming about mousefags gets banned
>5 minutes later, there's a bait thread of mouse for no reason

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>>41955566
Nazuna is going to join wactor once she realizes the true meaning of vsj

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Male vtubers who acts like vtubers sucks. It doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been gone all day and I saw mouse stream for 10 hours, was it all horror and react? Also any moving news or new stuff in general?

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>>41955919
>

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>>41955717
It's not that easy to learn a new language, specially if you want to use it to talk to natives.
I'm an ESL and despite spending like 13 fucking years dealing with english lessons I still sound like a fucking retard whenever I speak with an english speaker.

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>>41955919
The fuck does that mean?

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>>41955933
React, she played Faith and one other game which I am forgetting.

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>>41955933
Had a whole spiel about it. It keeps getting delayed because they haven't finished the necessary shit for a disabled person to live there and she thinks the contractors are screwing over her parents but she has no one else to handle that.

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>>41955968
The one with the funny name

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>>41955956
You know. Like vtubers.

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Clown boy, hakka and luca are some good male vtubers

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>>41955834
To be fair Vshojo bait threads always pop up randomly throughout the day, kind of like a game of chance when you look in the catalog to see which member or members have bait threads there.

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>>41955956
I think he means that most male vtubers that try to be like the female ones mostly suck, which I can't agree for most cases. Bubi works great because he really plays into the Keyfable, Shoto well he's fujopandering and Aethel is a normal streamer with a coat of vtubbing
>>41955968
>picrel

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>>41955968
Cool thanks, I love mouse more than I hate horror, but I miss a 10 hour horror stream I'll probably just check clips to see if anything noteworthy happens.

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>>41956019
Of course, she should hire someone, anyone to help her with this shit, I don't know what work her sister does that has her so confident she can handle all of her problems with this kind of thing but its clearly not working.

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>>41956098
meh, nothing too exciting, as said by that anon some issues that weren't clipped but it was mostly Mouse ranting the same topic, games were meh at best. Connor comes back somewhere in the week, she forgot to write when, pretty okay stream.

tomorrow is a sponsor stream, if things didn't changed

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>>41956249
Also I don't know her sister but if it was me and my sister asked me to work for her (and get paid by her) it would piss me off, partially because being your sibling's employee sounds humilliating and partially because I would feel like a leech.
Granted I'm extremely autistic so this might not be an issue for other people.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to hold Nazuna in my arms
I want her to feel safe
I want to feel safe

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>>41955834
Don't blame me for that. I actually don't have that much against Mouse, just her dog shit community that treats everyone else like secondary characters. Thoughtlessly posting in someone else's chat about how your Vtuber just missed who they really wanted to raid is fucking cringe. And no I'm not ban evading. They didn't ban me. Janny just got mad.

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>>41955933
She said vshojo talked about monthly group collabs during that meeting but it sounds like a pipe dream.

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>>41956308
really like how Bubi looks in this art

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>>41956538
oh then, i'm sorry bro

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>>41908827

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>>41956637
kek

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>>41956637
add a straw hat and this becomes WW2 propaganda

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>>41956547
Could they work it out tho?
I mean, most girls have collabed for special occasions and a monthly reunion seems like a pipe dream but not impossible.
>>41956637
Nice one kek

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what did we think of Mouse's concert?

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>>41956733
Good. Just wished she sang a English song.

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>>41956733
I just want the Camellia song released standalone already

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>>41956723
Could they? Sure, no way in hell they are busy enough to not be able to find one day where all of them can play something for a couple hours.
Would they? Not so sure. The girls suck at even setting up one-on-one collabs.

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>>41956733
everything was good curious on how theyll improve it in the future

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>>41956756
She's only good at Japanese songs and showtunes.

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>>41956733
After the hyped died, it was good. The issue was all the things that stopped it from having things most people were expecting: more guests, English songs.
Although, I was expecting at least one with her opera voice, like Libera Me from Hell

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>>41956906
Pretty sure she's done actual opera songs before no?

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>>41956906
??? The best Mouse "covers" I have heard were all english songs.

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>>41956906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5LPbUe9wOc

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>>41956906
That wasn't why. They picked the songs that wouldn't get them DMCA'd on YouTube. That's all there was to it. English songs would have been problematic.

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>>41956538
They went to raid Nyan but she raided Froot so they just manual raided Froot and spammed a raid message instead. You really should stop seething at something normal.

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>>41956756
Mouse said that apparently there were more issues getting permissions to play those songs for some reason. The show had a lot of permissions and stuff like that even if it was "free", but I guess that Mouse still gets money from people watching ads, subs and bits that still can be classified as gaining money out of it.
>>41956906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjPyMbwrQw

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Is this finally the Part where /vt/ at long last self admits to being the "good little" ATM's all V-tubers would eventually hope their Cuckold audience would come around to being?

If you all didn't expect this Future for leaning to hard into the Kayfabe and enabling this cringe, bullshit of an "interest" You all wouldn't be here de-spined hoping the Jannies won't Jimmy you Jimbo!

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>>41957074
That's a showtune bro.

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>>41957108
Nigga what are you talking about

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>>41957081
that's now how licensing works

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>>41957108

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>>41957108
m8 it's just entertainment, try not to take it so seriously

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>>41957182
Well, recall that >>41957074 caused issues for Connor's stream. Western songs are a lot harder to work with for concerts than Japanese or original ones, which is what they did.

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>>41956998
I have no idea what you're talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtp4h4KQGGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCfKEqsajxY

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>>41957108

Nijisanji and Hololive's Mensuration cycles aren't probably going too far either so I'd imagine similar scenarios and not knowing who the baby Daddy is, is going to be monumental-ly' fucking funny though

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>>41957300
you ok?

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why are catalogfags this gullible? is it a brain defect

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>>41957257

Hello V-Hoe[/spoiler

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Well here's an odd coupling.

https://twitter.com/wsonyao/status/1619620334742937603

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>>41957102
Fuck I went into a rabit hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbRAHIcRKxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMet6n7Dbbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0nGNmxeWoc

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>>41957410
kek what the fuck

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>>41956637
Vei without filters

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>>41957410
What the hell? This is like dipping french fries in peanut butter

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>>41957410
why though

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>>41957410
Please use this as the next OP

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>>41957410
Vei would find that cringe and weird that a random that she doesnt know did this

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>>41957449
... trying this next chance I get.

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>>41957410
This is moments before Vei starts trying to choke her out.

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>>41957449
Nah it's like dipping fries minty chocolate ice cream then covered with pumpkin jelly

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>>41957430
Her Japanese singing is good but I think she shines far more on her English and Spanish covers and obviously her opera.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HUno-R8A21A

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>>41957625
Oh I didn't notice you included mine >>41957625 (me) on your 2nd one and that she sang it recently. I'm dumb.

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>>41957625
Same. I remember seething when she went for that JoJo song in VILLS (though I get why she did it) because it felt like it didn't show her singing chops as much as an english song would have.

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>>41957410
>Russian
Explains it
No further meaning other than "they are 2 popular vtubers and I like them"

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>3 days later and Vei's failed sponsor is still going around, now even those who don't know what a vtuber is also talking about that 100gb download clip
kek that whore can't escape it

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>>41956637
I'd have no reason to keep coming here if these ever stopped being made

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>Compliance is Vital?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dm3Atjj-vc
I got recommended this, wtf youtube.

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>>41958148
kek

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>>41958148
>115 subscribers
I think you're just self promoting, bruh.

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>>41949428
Her voice was faker back then.

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>>41958138
Nobody knows what you're on about, but go do it elsewhere.

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>>41958473

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>>41958394
NTA but I get recommended videos from literal nobodies too so I could see that being recommended to him, especially if it's Zen related

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>>41957410
WTF there's no similarities between them

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>>41958531
is that inches or feet?

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>>41958714
I think it is actually in cm, but don't quote me on that.

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Damn, Ironsis makes more than Ironmouse? Or was Mouse just saying she couldn't make enough to cover herself and all her own bills and pay her sister more than her own job covers as well?

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>>41959447
dont know what you saw but probably the second one

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>>41958531
Where's the Froot one that says "5 stages of big dick" or whatever?

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AI art is cool and has soul.

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>>41959447
I think because her sister is an excetive assistant, Mouse is sort of unfairly assuming that it won't be that different to work as a personal assitant for her. But the scale and variety of things you end up doing at the level she is now is so much more pretigious and interesting and engaging to actually do as a job, compared to what Mouse would ever ask. Even if she could match salery and benefits and everything, it would be a step down for that.

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>>41959840

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>>41953985
Vshojo competitors pc and idol en dont

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>>41960251
Fuck off pcg shill.

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>>41959902
based

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>>41959902
AI art has just as much soul as human art. Humans overvalue human accomplishments.

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>>41960520
Humans made the AI, so AI art is still human art, just with an extra layer of innovation and inventiveness on top. If anything, it's more human than anything traditional that might have only had one person working on it and one person's experienes informing it. AI can take in as much input and history and context as you can feed it and bring a totally different perspective because of that vantage.

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Never making OC for Vshojo just to spite this thread

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>>41960845
Feeding all your previous posts into an AI to generate new ones, to spite you at first, but as I work with the model and refine it I start to think about it more even when I'm doing other things and keep comming back to it. Finding any excuse. Until I realize I'm in love with the model and I think the only way I can get over it is to try and get in touch with the original that all the data came from, but you've left the internet by then and so I'm in this impossible love affair with an AI and it's all because of this post.

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>>41960845
you cant draw anyway.

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>>41959902
it's an interesting concept, but shouldn+t be used commercially and in general art events/sites that aren't explicitly about AI art

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>>41961102
>shouldn+t be used commercially

retarded take that can only come from an artist that is scared he cant sell his shitty anime art for 1000$ anymore.

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>>41961161
just say you're anti-worker and be done with it

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>>41960845
Are you by chance the Ukrainian qt artist who made that Haruka pic a while ago

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>>41961204
no I am against overpriced garbage artists crying 24/7 about something that I hope will help correct the market.

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>>41961275
that's how you eliminate the income of thousands and put them into poverty
so yes, you are anti-worker

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>>41961349
sure seething artist

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>>41961234
She probably saw all the pro-russian shit we had and run away
cant blame her
This makes her 3rd ukrainian who fled vsj+

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>>41961373
>literally antagonize with "le seethe artist"
>"N-No I'm not anti-worker reeeee!"
uh-huh
maybe more people would humor AI artists if you weren't such psychopaths

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>>41961453
sure dont you have to work on some overpriced anime titties.

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>>41961204
Anon, luddites were wrong. Not in the sense that workers are fucked over, that's the ONLY thing they are correct about. Once these technologies are out there, suppressing them isn't some moral high road that will save the workers. It's actually reprehensible in its own right.
The reality is that this technology is out there. It's in many ways easier to replicate than the industrial appliances from the 1800s. It's out there. All you can do is set reasonable standards of use. "No commercial use" is a retarded standard.

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kson starting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMX4mcRtbUg

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https://youtu.be/NMX4mcRtbUg
sonchou new outfit

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>>41961529
>>41961530
>posted at exact same time

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>>41961508
Well, glad you agree with me. I'm not against the technology itself, just its potential to put many people on the streets. I'd be fine with a way that would integrate AI stuff onto the market without hurting existing artists, but I'd have to see such a law/procedure/whatever first.
Untill one appears, it's best to keep it it out of the market/integrate it VERY slowly.

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if Vshojo japan is the name of the branch, vshojo next is a gen

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>>41961608
>Artist not being able to make six figures a year will put them on the street.

Do you hear yourself talk?

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>>41961640
You realize there's thousand of artists that onlike make like 500 bucks per months, right? There six figure furry porn artists aren't the norm, just like the women that earn millions on OF aren't the norm either, most also barely scrape by with like 500 per month.

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>>41961680
Then they should realise they are shit at drawing and get a real job. Why should I give a shit about failing artists.

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To demonstrate my mastery of Vei's bullshit, I will now predict that she will not stream today because she will consider her long Gothic stream worthy of 2 streams + Soda also isn't streaming today.

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>>41961608
It will be the wild west until it's legislated, and that's the reality. It's unfortunate that people will be fucked over, but suppressing the commercial use of rather generalized technology like this is actually reprehensible. It's on par with outlawing a type of math.

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>>41961713
Like I said, just admit you're anti-worker and be done with it.
>Why should I give a shit about failing artists
Why should you give a shit about people not geting thrown on the streets? Well, if you weren't a psycopath you'd be able to give a shit abotu them.

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>>41961753
Also no game planned since she finished Gothic, we could've had LA Noire if Pen wasn't a cunt, but Vei is Vei so still a possibility she'll stream

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>>41961753
Gothic 2 exists so she might do that or a gungeon stream

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>>41961848
LA Noire is fucking dogshit I don't give a shit what you faggots think to say, she could be playing Dead Space instead

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>>41961945
Kys Pen, Vei just uses you anyway so you're just a tool

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>>41961753
>oKamelot: @veibae PLEASE take chance's timeslot since his trash org is taking him for a few days sodaSUFFER
What are the odds that she read this?

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>>41961773
anon you know. All these artists thrown on the street could just get another job if they cant make money with their "art". Like every other person that loses there job.

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>>41962021
NTA, but I feel like the issue is that you need to be obsessed to be good at art. Imagine telling a bunch of addicts "just don't do something with your life other than heroin, lmao."
It might be the right thing to do, but for them, it's not that simple.

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>>41962105 (me)
>just don't do something
I don't know where that "don't" came in, whoops.

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>>41962021
>just get another job lol
in our current economy?
besides, any jobs they could net would be infinitely worse than what they had before, essentially wage slavery for far lesser returns
not to mention that many jobs require you to move across the country or shit like that
switching jobs ain't easy unless you're a nepobaby or you entered an industry in its very early stages, making it possible to have a deep network right away

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>>41962168
which one is it did these artists make 500$ a month now or not ? because
>besides, any jobs they could net would be infinitely worse than what they had before, essentially wage slavery for far lesser returns

That is complete bullshit if they made 500$ and barely scraped by.

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>>41962168
>in our current economy?
Not that anon, but "yes".
>besides, any jobs they could net would be infinitely worse than what they had before
If you have deep financial needs, it is your responsibility to find a situation where you can add value to other people's lives in exchange for compensation. No one is going to do that for you and being an "artist" (or anything else) doesn't magically make you entitled to special help in that part of your life.
>switching jobs ain't easy
And? Why should you only do things that are "easy"? Who lied to you and said that's how life was going to be?

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So, anyone here like cocks

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>>41962385
yes I like AI art cock.

[Anonymous No.]

This kson outfit looks like rainhoe.

[Anonymous No.]

it looks worse...

[Anonymous No.]

>She sees the hours you've logged in the Yakuza series

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>>41962470
Wtf is that monstrosity

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>>41962470
That will be 10000$ please

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>>41962355
>find a situation where you can add value to other people's lives in exchange for compensation
except the current system doesn't allow a compensation high enough to give you even remotely decen living standards, even if you have like 3 jobs at the same time
>And? Why should you only do things that are "easy"?
Because, listen to this. Instead of sending them to the streets and having them force to work for a decent wage for the next 10 years, we could simply not take away their current extra income they gann from art commissions.

No need to simp for capitalism like that, bro.

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>>41962523
is it 500$ scraping by or extra income I dont get it.

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>>41962470
I think it's pretty cute desu.

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KSon continuing her streak as least sexy VShojo

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>>41962597
Ok I take it back. The rigging is Holotier. Who the hell rigged it.

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>>41962596
Artists on the lower bracket usually have an extra, low paying 9-5. They make ends meet with their extra income from art commissions, enabling them not to slave away like many other workers are.
Keep looking, maybe you'll find your "Gotcha!" argument soon.

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>>41962657
? So they are not scraping by ?

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look at my cute 16yo nondelinquent wife

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>>41962678
Some are, some aren't, even if its just 100 bucks above the "scraping by" line.
Taking away that extra income will also make the latter scrape by, while the former will be out on the street.

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>>41962717
Your argument that they will be out on the street makes no sense. Get. A. JOB. Like every other human being in the world.

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Tummy

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>>41962756
You're hopeless.
Like I said, just say you're anti-worke rand be done with it.
I will not force people into wage slavery just because AI coomers like you.

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>>41962853
You keep screeching about anti worker but the only thing thats clear is that you are anti work.

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>>41962523
>we could simply not take away their current extra income they gann from art commissions.
>>41962717
>Taking away that extra income
Who is taking what away? The phrasing makes it sound like there is some specific thing they are owed, or should be guaranteed to be "given" that is being "taken away"?
You can get payment in exchange from your efforts and/or skills... or maybe you can't? Someone else's money is not yours and is not somehow "taken away" if they don't want anything you have to sell.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I don't understand this backwards view where something you don't even have yet is being "taken" from you?

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>>41962953
>like there is some specific thing they are owed, or should be guaranteed to be "given" that is being "taken away"?
Yes, it's their right to live a decent life without slaving away. But I doubt a free market worshipper like you wouldunderstand that. All you care about is profits and slaving away for bussineses.

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>>41962705
Your wife very close to being a delinquent.
This woman will grow up to be dangerous.

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>>41962999
But its not a right.

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>>41959902
I understand SOME of artists issues with it, but I think they've drastically overreacted to it has most people tend to do when any new major technology comes along, especially because it's an echo chamber on the internet and artists are a very strange bunch, as an artist I can tell you that myself. The strangest thing I think I've heard said about it tho is that "it isn't art." Artists have been trying to argued for decades and decades that anything can be art. From literally ingesting red paint and vomiting it onto a mirror and selling it for millions of dollars to jamming rotten spaghettios up your snatch and splatting it on a canvas. If that is art, than what an AI makes is also art. Art is in the of the person who sees it. They can argue about whatever other bullshit they want, but I honestly think they'd be better off using it to their advantage than fighting against it.

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>>41963047
It should be, but capitalism will do it's hardest to prevent it becoming one.

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AI? more like VEI LIES

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>>41963069
It is never a right to make a living in a competitive field of work and it never should be and that has nothing to do with your capitalism boggy man.

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>>41963115
>that has nothing to do with your capitalism boggy man.
Capitalism is the one that's making the system "competitive" for no good reason, forcing people to backstab each other to increase their wage by even one cent, so yes, it is capitalism's fault. It's not concerned with giving people a good living, but a race to the bottom for the profits of a few.
But keep simping for your rotten system.

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>>41963180
holy shit you are a delusional failed seething artist post you art I will commision you and then you can buy some food for the next week.

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>>41962999
>All you care about is profits and slaving away for bussineses.
I am not the main anon you have been discussing with. I am trying to avoid putting words in your mouth, I would appreciate if you would afford me the same.

I do not disagree with a principle, along the lines of your statement "it's their right to live a decent life without slaving away", in a general sense. It is your narrow particulars that I find strange. For example, I would agree with this:
>Society should be structured so that a variety of opportunities are available to people, of different interests and skills, and earnings (at least) commensurate with the costs of what many people would find as a comfortable life.
But there is a difference between that and a claim that a VERY SPECIFIC way of making money should always exist. Everything changes, it is a question of timing and speed.

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You guys choose the weirdest things to sperg out over.

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>>41963200
based helping the poor, I'll do it too for artist-kun

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>>41963248
Sometimes people pretend to fall for it just for fun, and to keep the thread active. Maybe you should see these things and just smile at people having fun together by pretending to get mad at each other, and not get mad yourself at the play.

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>>41963180
>for no good reason
contribute to society, you get something back
don't contribute, you get nothing

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>I failed at something its the systems fault and not mine. Cant be me.

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>>41963180
>forcing people to backstab each other to increase their wage by even one cent
No one is forcing you to be a backstabbing cunt. Maybe try not being a dick?

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>>41963317
I agree with you. But that has nothing to do with capitalism.

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>>41963344
Truly, getting laid off from job because the CEO failed to keep the shareholders' interest was truly the fault of the worker.

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>>41963467
Yes really this example really works in the context of independend artists.

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>>41963467
How do you go from "Artist can't sell art as an independent worker!" to "It's the CEO's fault!"?

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Twintail son

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>>41963518
>Introduce AI to the market
>Artists have no control over companies choosing AI over actual people
Yep, definitely something the artists had complete control over.

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>>41963544
Twintailchads winning!

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>>41963180
>>41962523
Anon, people don't necessarily love capitalism when point out the realities of living in a society. And any other system will have its own set of messes to deal with. The artists became artists in a capitalist society. Set aside any pro-capitalist implications you can come up with, that's factually correct. It doesn't logically follow from that statement that they wouldn't or couldn't be artists in another type of society. But you can't know if they could have been. There is competition in every type of society. An the "capitalist" type of competition isn't that ugly until you talk about perverse incentives that shareholders and capital owners create for a company. Some types of competition exist in every society.

When you boil down this nuanced debate into putting people into political camps, it's just that you don't want to deal with the nuance of the topic. I can understand that, because every political and societal issue is more nuanced than any person has the time or energy to think about. I don't mind you simplifying it as long as you recognize in your mind that you are making a massive simplification.

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>>41963405
lol
lmao

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>>41963571
holy shit you are mindbroken.

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>>41963598
Literally every single system since humanity's creation worked on "if you don't contribute to X, X won't contribute to you"

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>>41963544
This is literally just classic AI Candii

[Anonymous No.]

dya gets plenty of work she doesnt seem worried *shrugs*

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>>41963749
Yes this shit is like the 2views that seethe at everything. Just failures being angry.

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>>41963585
No one said that artists are only a thing in a capitalist society. You're making things up.
And yes, capitalism is better than feudalism and all the sstems that came before. But that doesn't mean we should just stop here and be complacent with all of its shortcomings and not work towards a newer, better system.

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so anyways, my Queen Rainhoe is live

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>>41963571
Glassblowers used to work directly for kings and nobility, producing items that were highly prized. The glassblowers didn't have control over the devaluing of their trade, but I can't imagine you think it is deeply wrong to buy an affordable box of 4 juice glasses, because of all of the work it "takes" from the glassblowers? Or do you?

If someone's skills become less valuable because of a new reality, they probably need new skills. Perhaps a society should help them gain new skills at no cost to them? That seems like a good investment in the future of the society! But no one can magically make something more valuable again once it has been devalued by surplus, advancements in efficiency, or both.
The question is not how to stop change, but how to respond to it when it occurs.

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>>41963911
>Perhaps a society should help them gain new skills at no cost to them?
Yes, that is exactly my point. I'm not against the invention itself, but how it's implemented that puts the old workers out of work, and they ones putting them out of work don't even bother to give them alternative ways to make a new living. If they did, there'd be zero problems with AI and other such inventions, at least in the economic sense.

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>>41963817
You're actually rotted in the brain by socialist talking points. If you missed what I said, you need to learn to think about issues with your own head. It might be difficult at first, but you need to get used to it.
To emphasize, nothing you're saying is incorrect. It's just that you spouted the basic socialist propaganda line at someone who just pointed out that capitalistic competition creates perverse incentives for companies. Think with your own head.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>41964094
The truth is socialist propaganda now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41964243
Are you daft? I just said it's true. But it's also a fucking socialist propaganda line that's very much out of place.

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>>41963911
>>41964004
Society is notoriously bad at investing in its own future and AI art happens to have gained mainstream viability at a time when large chunks of society are on the hunt to bash people who invested in developing "useless" skills and are incredibly hostile when asked to pay off their debts and assist in their reeducation.

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>>41964004
>and they ones putting them out of work don't even bother to give them alternative ways to make a new living.
That will never be a thing, if only because some random techbros making an AI don't have a clue what kind of job they could "give" to some artists they have never met.
The closest method we have found yet is the incredibly indirect and inefficient: a combination of unemployment and job training programs, funded by taxes on profits, to offset the negative externalities of disruption. I completely admit it is inelegant, but it's more likely to have a chance of helping than... I don't know, pointing at an AI CEO and saying "Find a new job for this artist! Find a way to pay them!"
I'm not sure what a more efficient alternative would be for worker retraining, because I am not a brilliant policy innovator.

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>>41963827

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>>41964298
>Society is notoriously bad at investing in its own future
Yeah, but we've gotten this far, ever so gradually.
One hundred years ago, Europe and North America still suffered from occasional famines. When was the last time a relative of yours was suffering from a "famine"? Someone you knew couldn't find food? Like, find it anywhere near them? Maybe it was unhealthy food, maybe it was too expensive for their current means, but we at least got past the "literally not enough food exists" issue.
Some people in the past did some things that made their future (our present) better.

And along the way a lot of people have a bad time.
I don't expect that part to change any time soon.