/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

If you whittled down the JP branch to the most popular 11 girls. Would they have the same issues as the EN branch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
No
>Fubuki
>*I had mf throat operation SUISEI
>*go to sleep Korone
>Sora
>Azki
>*I adapt based on numbers Pekora
>Marine
>Okayu
>Lamy
>*my throat is strong Koyori
>*I lived bitch Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
Let's go by sub amount:
>Marine
>Pekora
>Fubuki
>Korone
>Aqua
>Suisei
>Miko
>Noel
>Okayu
>Subaru
>Haachama (got suprised she made it)
You can count Marine and Aqua out since they barely stream nowadays. If you replace Haachama with Ayame, you get one more.
That looks much better than EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
I mean most if not all of them have taken extended hiatuses but generally not at the same time. And the one thing they have over EN is they are friendly enough to collab and know how to be professional. Plus, they actually earned their popularity, the most popular members are also the most active barring a few minor exceptions which is how someone like Koyori became one of the most popular while Laplus is forgotten. But, I think the real lesson there is if EN had as many members as JP, there's a good chance everyone would just forget all about EN's used up members of the past that haven't been active or relevant in years. It's only because EN is so small people have to pretend each member is important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39413857
>You can count Marine and Aqua out since they barely stream nowadays.
I think that's one of the issues OP is referring to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39414159
I know. That's why I say out. 9/11 is much better than whatever ratio of EN is currently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39414273
A single stream from Aqua or Marine is worth 10 HoloEn streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>39413857
Miko, Pekora, Aqua, Haachama, and Marine have all taken extended breaks, longer than anyone in EN who's actually returned (except Ina, assuming she does, in fact, come back.)

[Anonymous No.]

People in here acting as if they watch every stream from every girl every day, I wonder how do you react when your favorite TV show airs only once a week or goes on a seasonal break

Go back and watch a VOD from every EN girl that you haven't watched before (I guarantee you pretty much no one watched 100% of a Holo's output), and you'll have content to binge on for weeks. I kek at the idea that you should only watch a Holo live just because it's called Hololive... and if you can't live without knowing what the girls are at every given moment, then that's very obviously your issue lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>39414367
Not only that. Marine and Aqua actually put in a lot of work behind the scenes on projects we actually get to see. Idk how Gura isn’t the Aqua of EN. Solo concerts, music, vn’s

[Anonymous No.]

>>39414623
That's the thing about EN breaks vs. JP breaks though. They aren't of the same quality. It's extremely disingenuous to frame the JP breaks as more extreme because when a JP takes a break, it's generally not their choice and they do it and then come right back to normal activity. But EN's routinely take a break and then pop back up just to take another break and they do this so much that it's not clear they ever returned or if they just aren't active anymore which is similar to someone like Aqua but not the extended breaks of some of the others. Ina was taking breaks before her current break, I already fell off her during one of those extended breaks and by the time she came back and I would have considered following her again, she left again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
>Popular
Rank them by the first 11 hired instead and EN would come out slightly better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415131
NO FUCK OFF WITH YOUR LOGICAL POST!!!

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[Anonymous No.]

>>39415131
The thing is, unless you are a completely mindless simp, you don't want to watch every stream. The whole point of being active on a JP level is there's more variety to choose from. You aren't supposed to watch every stream but plenty of JP's do multiple streams in a day so if you don't want to watch one because the game's not for you, you may like the other. When you only stream once or twice a week, those streams are not going to cater to most of your audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39412094
>>39412094
I like Sora and Azki, but don't kid yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
Let's look at the numbers.

Top 11 most subscribed JP members vs number of streams in the past month:
>Marine, 8
>Pekora, 30
>Fubuki, 31
>Korone, 13
>Aqua, 4
>Suisei, 12
>Miko, 23
>Noel, 14
>Okayu, 24
>Rushia, 0
159 streams in total

Let's do the same for all of EN:
>Gura, 3
>Calliope, 20
>Amelia, 9
>Ina, 0
>Kiara, 14
>IRyS, 15
>Kronii, 11
>Mumei, 17
>Fauna, 17
>Baelz, 21
>Sana, 0
127 streams in total

So team JP is streaming about 25% more than team EN. That's honestly not a huge difference, and I think some people are making this a bigger deal than it really is. The main problem is that JP can crowd around Japanese prime time where as EN needs to spread out to accommodate every possible timezone that has a significant number of English speakers. This is just an inherent problem with live streaming to a global audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415371
EN would come out more popular maybe, but not better (Miko alone is worth more than all of EN). It would also require you to fast-forward EN's progress a few years and see where they are then which will probably be non-existent. Since the problem of Hololive's first 11 is they are almost all long out of their prime barring a few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
Marine>Calli
Pekora>Kiara
Fubuki>Ame
Korone>Mumei
Aqua>Gura
Suisei>IRyS
Miko>Bae
Noel>Fauna
Okayu>Kronii
Rushia=Ina
Coco>Sana

Absolutely not. That’s including 1 more graduation too.

[Anonymous No.]

I would prefer EN if you whittled it down to the 11 most popular JP girls, but if you whittled it down to my 11 favorites (Watame, Pekora, Korone, Fubuki, Aqua, Luna, Nene, Miko, Chloe, AZKi, Roboco), then JP wins. In any case, JP streams more, duh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415629
>most subscribed is most popular
Well that's one way to be disingenuous about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415131
>tired from long day at school/work
>hmm been a while since i last watched her
Now choose:
>nice she's finishing that one game
>oh... last stream was 12 days ago...
>>39415411
Frogposter is retarded, color me surprised

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415131
Yeah, and they should just stop being a live streamer and go to the traditional Youtuber's route
It's similar to online concert, you can watch it live or just watch the VOD, but watching it live is way more exciting

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415772
>I DONT CARE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE MY OSHI IS MOST POPULAR TO ME
Ok, schizo. Keep living in your own worlds then.

[Anonymous No.]

Also, shouldn't the question really be if you took JP's 11 most active members, would they be better than EN? Because that would put to the test if people's problem with EN is actually the lack of activity. Watame is infamous for being very active but she will never be one of JP's most popular. She's a C-lister in JP yet shits on all of EN in output. Would people prefer someone like her in EN over what they actually get?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415923
Literally nobody categorizes popularity that way. It would only be a valid way to gauge popularity if they were all freshly subscribed or got truly culled constantly. Dead channels still have millions of subs. You literally included a channel with no videos on it, at least swap out Rushia for Coco if you want to pretend to be a retard as she is the Sana equivalent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415797
You missed the point of his post you moron, there are several other girls to watch. Fuck your oshi, learn to love all the girls

Here's another frog btw since you asked so nicely

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416102
>replying to the retard-chama poster
Newfag, you'll learn. Never reply to that guy, ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
By virtue of the most popular ones no, but they're popular in part for a reason, usually because they're active to begin with.

The analogy here would be as if EN had 35 girls instead. If you actually took the first 11 girls you would have to factor in Mel, Haachama, Aki etc in there alongside Fubuki/Miko/Sora where a lot of them stream irregularly these days and some of them have had huge gaps in activity now. Some of them lasted longer than others like Haachama but eventually had huge bouts of nostreams sooner or later. Hell Gen 2 is basically just Shuba and Choco these days even though it at one point had Aqua and Ayame.

[Anonymous No.]

When will you drama-hungry schizos realize that streaming more is inherently detrimental to your overall popularity? This isn't Twitch. YouTube is an entirely different ecosystem. Quality matters more than quantity. You don't just get free money for having a stream up. You need to be actually entertaining and know how to pace yourself so your audiance doesn't get bored of it too quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416218
Okay, and you're trying to tell me having 3 other girls to choose from, of which you're less likely to dig the content they're streaming, is just as good as having 8+, where there's a greater you'll find something nice to watch?
Thanks for reinforcing the stereotype, retarded frogposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415689

Eh, in my opinion:

>Suisei>IRyS
>Noel>Fauna
Hard disagree on those

>Fubuki>Ame
>Korone>Mumei
>Aqua>Gura
>Miko>Bae
>Coco>Sana
Very slight disagree on those

>Marine>Calli
Disagree only because Marine is my least favorite Holo but Calli ain't too far either

>Pekora>Kiara
>Okayu>Kronii
>Rushia=Ina
Agree on those

HoloEN girls ain't worse than the JPs, folks here just have a bias because they're into girls that are terminally online and deathly afraid of feeling cucked for the slightest of things (but only to Tempus dweebs for some reason, not JP Holostars)

[Anonymous No.]

Same issues? what issues ?
>OMG I DON'T CARE JUST STREAM! !
>>39412094
Sora and Azki are not in the top 11 also >>39415480

http://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/cover
>Marine
not really she's frequent enough and even does the radio show with FBK for extra if you're into that content
>Pekora
literally ms. numbers, one of the most viewed girls on streaming platforms etc. etc.
>FBK
same as Marine
>Korone
doesn't really stream too infrenquently but makes up for it with long as streams 8- 23 hours
>Aqua
yes
>Suisei
(n/a ask a hoshiyomi from what i've seen I would say yes but i'm not subbed to her so I don't know)
>Miko
not really outside of two major physical incidents with her she's pretty consistent
>Noel
Frequent enough probably the best Holomem at living 2 different lives
>Okayu
just say her in a santa suit so I guess not
>Subaru
For someone i'm not subbed to I do "see" her stream frequently

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415797
She's not your girlfriend that you have to ask yourself why she hasn't been with your for 12 days

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416379
Streaming more allows you to develop new routines/gimmicks/more audience interactions to occur. Not streaming only guarantees that you stay static, an image on a page that doesn't evolve much.

Even someone like Kaela who is basically wet blanket personality is well-liked and has a good audience because she streams like a freight train and has learned over time how to make what she is work. If you don't put in the time it's like never practicing for an instrument and so even if you were really good at one point, if you're constantly away from the audience for weeks/months at a time you'd get rusty and maybe not be quite in the groove as you used to be on return. If the girl is there all the time and becomes genuinely comfortable with leaning on chat like a hivemind friend that she banters with and keeps her company, it's mutually beneficial because she has more fun streaming and we get more content. The most popular JPs are often in this loop where chat is felt to them like a friend instead of an opponent judging them (you can tell Gura is always guarded-feeling like that, Sana was too etc).

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416597
Where the fuck did I imply that, you absolute fucking buffoon? I'm talking purely from a content variety perspective, if I like a content creator or a group of content creator I'll be happy to know they're much more likely to be around by the times I get to have some free time to relax. Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415973
Watame is not the most popular, but the best Holo. It's just an objective fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416102
NUMBERS IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF POPULARITY

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417079
I only care about how popular they are with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415973
She's also famous for having the highest raw number of membersheeps.

>>39416919
She really is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416395
>you're trying to tell me
Stopped reading there. If you don't understand then go back and reread the posts but slower so your ape-like brain can comprehend the sentences. It's very simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417079
Subs aren't the numbers that reflect current popularity. Pewdiepie had a moment of peak popularity that could have been measured with numbers. But a retard like you would think he's the most popular he's ever been and progressively always getting more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415131
> Go back and watch a VOD from every EN girl that you haven't watched before
Why the fuck would I do that for a vtuber that I like but am not obsessed with? I have multiple vtubers that I watch for this very reason. I don’t want to plan, think about schedule, or commit to this. It’s entertainment, not work. I don’t do what you’re saying because I don’t want to do that, simple as.
Admittedly, this is also why I went small corpos and indies only instead of bitching and moaning about HoloEN’s decline in quality. But this “just watch the VODs” argument is fucking retarded. Plenty of people just don’t want to do that, simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416919
She's not even my favorite but I still agree she's the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416854
What do you think a vod is for you literal nigger? How the fuck do people like you exist? Go get isekai'd

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417445
>he's the most popular he's ever been and progressively always getting more popular.
No, but he's still massively popular the fact you mentioned him specifically instead of anyone else who is up and coming proves that even if he's inactive or not his gigantic amount of subs has indeed proved he is/was popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39414623
JP's long rests work to the limit and keep working until the doctor stops them. (Except for some members) ENs only take time off when they want to rest, so they don't need long breaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39415426
It’s so ironic that this board makes anons think that other anons are mindless paypigs who slavishly follow every single stream from their oshi, when in reality, most of us probably see who’s streaming, check in, leave if it’s not interesting to us, and then try again next time. I bet most anons’ “oshis” are just the vtuber whose stream they check out first when they do their daily rounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39416821
I don't watch Kaela. She's boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
>If you whittled down the JP branch to the most popular 11 girls. Would they have the same issues as the EN branch?
How is picking the top of JP branch to be used as a comparison? It's cherry picking from a larger base.
Would EN be better if it had as many members as the JP branch? Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39411455
no, I would only have top talents and some 2-3 members that don't have stream as a priority at the moment, but still 1 stream of Aqua/marine is worth more than 1 month of EN and their projects even more.
I can't make excuse for ayame tho. Still I don't think she is in the top 10 most popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417731
You don't watch Gura either

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417737
The whole conclusion of this thread is basically: "EN3 when?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417392
>stops reading at a rethorical question
Is this all you can muster after I addressed what I think was a flaw in your and that anon's reasoning?
You forgot your frog image, retarded frogposter
>>39417501
If I wanted to watch literally just VODs I'd be watching let's players, you imbecile. The live stream is part of the fucking experience, and realistically most people only watch the VODs of the people they like the absolute most. Or do you go around scouting for the master chef episodes you missed too? Your argument is so fucking disingenuous I can't buy you're making it in good faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417560
I mentioned him because his peak popularity was actually genuine and he was part of an infamous sub-battle where the account that eventually passed him was nowhere even close to his popularity. Every time I actually go look at the list of most-subbed channels, I've never even heard of most of them. You would believe vtubers are all irrelevant nobodies on youtube by your metric. Subs are not a metric of current popularity and different demographic bases don't even have the same standards for what a "popular" sub count is. If sub-counts equaled popularity, you would actually have to believe Ame is more popular than Miko and not even you are that retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417786
>but still 1 stream of Aqua/marine is worth more than 1 month of EN
It's so fucking funny to me that this board parrots this phrase when so many of you didn't even start watching until EN debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417737
Because the top 11 JP’s just about equal out to the EN’s. Why tf would you compare the bottom of the barrel JP’s. Apples and Oranges

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololive hates live streaming
>I hate live streaming
WE ARE

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417857
>No I still don't understand the very simple post
What can you do bros. He's terminally retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417790
I really hope people who shitpost with Gura aren’t actual chumbuds. The amount of mental gymnastics required to think Gura holds a candle to ANYBODY is so massive that I actually think it would be at “get professional help” levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417936
That is only a potentially valid criticism (but even then it's debatable) if the way they got into JP was through EN. EN's existence doesn't mean every JP fan owes their allegiance to EN. Though every EN fan does owe their allegiance to JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418000
Go outside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418107
I see what you're saying but I don't think those people who parrot that phrase even watch JP. They just say it because they want to feel cool when they're upset with their oshi

[Anonymous No.]

Just watch VODs. It's the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418312
This but unironically.
>nuuuuu i cant watch vods, i have to spam hearts in the chat and try to get her to read my grey name messages!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417936
I have never seen a stream of an EN, I knew HL from the Japanese side and have never moved from there.

[Anonymous No.]

So the way to save EN is by going full niji and releasing the hordes of gens.

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny coming into this alternate reality called /vt/ where the ENs are the worst undeserving lazy whores with numbers dwindling to 2view territory who should graduate immediately, right after watching a comfy EN stream/VOD with solid viewership/SC earned, and dozens of funny clips of theirs. JPs on the other hand? Perfection, it's where the true VTubing's at - despite almost never talking about them, and focusing 90% of the posts here on anti-EN salt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417857
>Or do you go around scouting for the master chef episodes you missed too?
Fuck yeah I do

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418272
In the general populace I could agree with that presumption, but on this board? I doubt it. Maybe I'm just too used to this site generally or conflating how things used to be with how they are now but I would assume most people here do watch JP as much as they do EN. Like people who watch Mori don't like Japanese media and she is very popular in some sense, but she is disproportionately unpopular here because this place doesn't represent the general populace and is more niche than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418568
Fine, I concede.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418440
What does your watching habits have to do with the real world? You not talking about JP and watching EN VOD's is your problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418720
I think you have rose tinted glasses on for 4chan. This place is no more niche than reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

What would be the 11 worst JPs if you wanted to make it a worse branch than EN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39417478
If you are avoiding content, then don't complain about lack of content. Simple as.
You can't say they have a 'decline in quality' when you prefer a more streamer type of content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418971
People come here to take screenshots of the freak show and post on their favorite social network. Most people avoid this place when I they want to have serious discussions because they know it'll be the same as talking to a monkey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39418971
Niche does not mean obscure, I think you struggle with English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39419143
AZki
Mel
Shion
Ayame
Aqua
Rushia
Coco
Aloe
Laplus
Haachama
Sora

[Anonymous No.]

>>39419143
Laplus
Coco
Rushia
Hitomi
Ayame
Aloe
Shion
Aqua
Matsuri
Chloe
Kanata

[Anonymous No.]

>>39419251
It's pretty fucking close, cunt. You know what I meant regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39419143
I'm only gonna speak for myself and list my 11 JPs from the bottom of my rankings:

Lamy
Mel
Aki
Ayame
Mio
Noel
Towa
Flare
Coco
Marine
Choco

[Anonymous No.]

>>39419379
>>39419394
Counting Aloe and even Hitomi feels like a cop-out. You're not technically wrong as they took up gen spots, but they're more just the "what-if" category. I give every Holo a month or two of chance because of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39420399
The William Henry Harrison and James Garfield of Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

Fans really reflect their oshi,so if your oshis is one of the lazy streamers then

[Anonymous No.]

>>39413857
>You can count Marine and Aqua out since they barely stream nowadays.
Marine still streams like three times a week.
>If you replace Haachama with Ayame
Why would you? You're grasping at straws to make it seem worse than it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39419662
I know what you meant because I understand how you misinterpreted the word. Part of dealing with ESL's and children is having enough reading comprehension to understand how people misunderstood a word. Just because ironic has an actual meaning doesn't mean I am unaware of what people who use it incorrectly mean by it. You clearly do not grasp what niche means because you thought it meant popular and then compared this site to reddit. Which is perhaps the worst comparison you could make in context since reddit's entire system is designed to cater to every niche imaginable (until they ban you). Your misunderstanding of language would mean you think every single subreddit represents the general populace including the ones that outright contradict each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39420963

[Anonymous No.]

>My selection of 11 favorite vtubers is inherently more appealing to me than all of EN!
This thread is stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

what issue ? lack of stream ? the problem is their work ethic, even for JP member like Aqua or Ayame who are lazy nowadays but they are different back then but EN member like only half a year after debut they already start to get lazy, i think the problem is most of them just want to get the hololive brand and doing minimum also simply because western woman since their newest JP gen aside from laplus are solid

[Anonymous No.]

>>39421114
I'm glad you like reddit so much, maybe ask them to explain the word niche to you. I doubt even they would coddle you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39422364
Half a year? EN had members who checked out much quicker than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39422700

[Anonymous No.]

(not so) thinly veiled /#/ spillage