Startup Agencies -- One Year Later

[Anonymous No.]

>>9403159
>>9467096
> Realistically, do you think any of the current small startup agencies like Tsunderia, Prism, Phase Connect, Kawaii, Cyberlive, etc. have a chance of making it to hololive/nijisanji levels of success? Or is there no hope for underdogs anymore?
> You've already got the hurdle of having little to no exposure, but also there's the possibility of girls getting poached by those two.'

Which predictions went right? Which predictions went wrong? Which new comers do you see taking the throne?

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
There's really not much to talk about. Outside Cyberlive completely imploding and Tsunderia losing most of their talents things have been chugging along.

[Anonymous No.]

The underdog won

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
how did we get 3 million posts in one year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38816653
I think the bigger issue is that nobody who regularly browses the catalogue knows enough about indie vubter companies to contribute

[Anonymous No.]

>>38817655
I got you bro. I follow small corpos on a very loose fashion, but I know a thing or two.

>>38814556
IdolEN kinda proved that a well timed debut filling a demand that isn't being met is the best shortcut to numbers. >>38817628 KEK
Phase has come a long way from that 200 CCV Pippa and Tenma could get at the start of the year. Pippa, Tenma and Lia breached 1k CCV this year on multiple ocassions. Pippa surpassed 100k subs recently. Their second generation is taking a bit of time to find their own footing.
Prism is eternally stuck into place, sold out to Sony, but nothing except collabs with JP 2views came out of that. Shiki neck hurted her career into irrelevance.
Tsunderia lost their entire first gen when Urara (manager) left. Amiya is very loved but has declined slightly from 200ccv to 150ccv. Not looking good for them unless their 3rd gen explodes in popularity.
Cyberlive imploded in one of the most hilarious ways. First they got Lumi and Yuri poached from them, and the remaining talents got exposed as a den of snakes. Hylo abandons the ship to become a generic twitch thot. Then the company collapses into an indie group. And then the manager (also vtuber) gets exposed for sleeping around with her fans and doxxing the other girls to them, hilarious.
I know very little about Kawaii, but I think Nene is doing good. Their third generation is not doing too hot, actually is doing worse than Phase Alias.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38818625
idolEN proved that proper marketing actually gets you numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38817636
Yeah, me

[Anonymous No.]

>>38818625
>Amiya is very loved but has declined slightly from 200ccv to 150ccv
It's not really a decline, she just hovers between those numbers depending on the stream. She still passes 200 regularly and she's gone over 300 in recent karaokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
>>9467096
>Phase connect:
>None so far, PIppa knows she'll never be mainstream but has creative streams, Uruka is god awful at streaming outside of her singing streams and Tenma is focused on niche indie games and isnt concerned about Numbers. Lia is also trying to find her footing too.

Lia went through a model redesign and is doing a lot better as the actual menhera girl of the group.
Pippa proved the "edgy gamer" crowd (as she herself described) is not as small as /vt/ thought it was.
Tenma isn't exclusively a roguelike streamer anymore and has taken to pandering to the normalfag twitch crowd, collabing with everyone under the sun, is doing kinda okay with it, as much as /vt/ hates that.
Uruka took a long ass break and has still not found her footing as a streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

Overall
>less coherent companies, with phasecon being the obvious example
>very likely that people couldn't name every member of the corp
>more focus on extracting money even if this pretty much destroys growth
>paranoia about losing audience which has seen an increase in menhera attacks
>small corpo metrics at the end of the year will probably mean a bunch of graduations early next year

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>>38814556
Phase connect's growth has been pretty good for a small corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9467096
>lumi left cyber
Kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820351
You mean Pippa's growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820462
>Tsunderia: With how close they all are, it's hard to think of one of them that stands out above the rest because they rely on each other so much like a family.
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820486
The fox has done okay leeching off twitch people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820554
Isn't she already reclining after OTV threw her away?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820486
The other girls have generally grown along with her, just not as much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38818625
Thank you for the summary!

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820597
She's been finding people outside that OTV circle since then. She collabed with that react andy Naggz not long ago. She got to collab with Taka Radjiman, from niji (ex-ID). Some Hollow Knight content creator (Mossbag). The Hank Hill vtuber as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>38820535
This ended up being accurate though, just not in the way anon was thinking

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Prism is reclining. Luto rarely streams and whatever shiki did to piss off her audience made them irrelevant. They went from solid 3views last year to high 2views. Sony gave them a couple of unique opportunities to exploit, but it never gave them any solid growth except bring in some jp viewers from sony JP. The corpo feels very scattered as a brand. They are following the same path as Tsunderia.

Kawaii is doing great all things considered. They don't have the same clout as Phase, but they aren't as top heavy when it comes to their talents successes. Oceane has some fast growth for a small corpo chuba. The same can be said for Lua on a lesser extent. Nene still does fine. They had one high drama graduation but that just united them even more after the successful kickstarter. They are what I would expect a small corpo growth should be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38819315
She has very loyal viewers so that 150 doesn't go anywhere. She gets more depending on what's going on though

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
Only Pippa has any real chance of going big. She's mogging multiple Nijis already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38818625
Oceane is on her way of breaking 1k ccv by the end of the year, she's incling hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
People are sleeping on kawaii, the girls are really fun and have great stream presence and chat interaction. Nene has a very dedicated fan base and is inclining slowly but steadily, ocean is doing really well keeping up with the algorithm and has more growth then nene. The rest of the gen 3 girls are doing ok but honestly they deserve more exposure. I actually like the fact that kawaii is smallish because it keeps things more intimate, i just want all the girls to be able to go full time. Also no male colabs so thats good

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
Its really sad how Kson killed Prism by turning Yura into a whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>38828145
What? Kson's pretty much the reason Yura inclined

[Anonymous No.]

>>38829597
No? Yura was inclining from her gfe, which she completely dropped after the kson collabs and constant ark collabs, she only gets half of what she got from before Kson now

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
>prediction: pandering to 4chan as a corpo is a mistake
>reality: pandering to 4chan as a corpo was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>38826923
>open random kawaii stream
>chat is entirely members
>streamer is confessing how much she loves them
>pinned comment is a link to a kickstarter
yeah I slept on them alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>38830460
Yeah didnt think the 4chan pandering was the smart move but pippa went from 200 ccv a year ago to 1800k her past few streams. So I dont think its really hurt her as much as everyone thought it would. Maybe hurts her chances for certain collabs but shes had pretty great growth channel wise.

The other girls all have steadily increased. Lumi regularly pulls in the 700s. Tenma a little less but not by much. Lia mid 3 view territory. All the girls are 3 views. Its just been a slower increase for most of them.

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>>38814556
I mean do you think there's gonna be an animation studio that becomes the next disney? no.
Even if the market for vtubers is still new, nothing short of hololive/niji imploding would give them the chance to.
Niji EN is completely drowning their current talents with new release after new release. It's how the strategy works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38831192
>All the girls are 3 views
Rie and the JP "branch" aren't there yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>38826923
>>38831081
this, it's quite hard environment to get into if you haven't followed them since early on. I've been able to like some of their 3rd gen though

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.pixel-link.com/news/12072022

This a new start-up about to emerge. What sort of nonsense awaits them in a year anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38830460
>conclusion: 4chan was not being pandered to hard enough

I'm pretty sure that's how corporations work with their thought process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38822606
Kawaii is criminally underrated. Charzu has some of the most creative streams for viewer engagement out of any chuuba out there, and gen 3 is surprisingly stacked with talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38832274
looks like they are trying to copy idol corp benefits, but idol still has more than them

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
Based Phase making their new gen look cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9467096
Rita is a full time streamer now and also a NAMI embasador
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4aUCj9Jvfs&t=4456s&ab_channel=RitaKamishiro%2F%E7%A5%9E%E4%BB%A3%E3%82%8A%E3%81%9F%5BPRISMProject%5D

Does a lot of great karaoke and voice acting in let's play but she hardly goes above 2views. She is super sweet and will brigthen up your day with her optimism. But I feel her numbers get hindered by how litle she interacts with her viewers compared to other vtubers like Amiya or Aletta Sky (my beloved)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3RZjBmFUg&ab_channel=AlettaSky%F0%9F%90%8E%F0%9F%A4%8D%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A4%E3%80%90kawaii%E3%80%91

[Anonymous No.]

>>38834421
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>38834796
Isn't she the one who cucked her viewers with a Niji male?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38835824
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>38817636
women are prone to gossip endlessly

[Anonymous No.]

>lakers fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
>have a chance of making it to hololive/nijisanji levels of success
I think any of them can. They'd need a breakout star, years of waiting, and the self-control to focus on building and sustaining an identity rather simple profit, though. It's not impossible, just too much to ask for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38836487
I'm not a burger so I don't understand this meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>38832032
Ive definitely heard this in the pkg general alot, so its unfortunate to see that new fans might get turned away because of that. The problem is the ppl who discovered the girls early on in gen 1 and feel entitled to both their attention and police ppl for watching them "incorrectly".
I'd say send let the talents know in a marshmallow or something they dont see this sort of side of their community unfortunately

[Anonymous No.]

>>38838369
Pippa

[Anonymous No.]

>>38845306
Pippa may be getting bigger but she's leaving Phase Connect in the dust in the process rather than bringing it up with her. Most of her growth is coming from people who either only care about her, or people who only care about Phase Connect because of her.

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>>38845648
>Pippa may be getting bigger but she's leaving Phase Connect in the dust in the process rather than bringing it up with her
That's more on Fishman's fault, Pippa is given the most talent freedoms but she's pretty much left doing her own thing while the rest are subject to what Fishman and the mods want (a less yab and more censored Holoclone). Lumi has the potential to explode like Pippa but can't because one of the masterminds of the censorship is her main mod. Lia also has the potential for explosion, she is just as unhinged as Pippa and her mods are also pro freedom, but the problem is she plays debuff games like Genshin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38814556
Small corpos are doing much better now than they were a year ago. Phase, Idol, and Kawaii all have talents that get >500 ccv, whereas a year ago most of these girls could barely retain 100. They might not be NijiEN tier yet, but it at least shows that yes there is potential for growth even now.

I'm a little saddened that Prism got left in the dust because they are my favorites, but in all honesty they aren't entertainers, and it doesn't help that Luto's clocked out.