Cover is a black(ed) company

[Anonymous No.]

Moona already confirmed that she and the others had to pay for their travels to Japan and they only covered the shitty apartment and some ramen at their 3D debuts, everything else comes from the talents pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no the women had to spend money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Anontachi, we already knew that they needed to pay for any 3Ds even JPs do this

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara's been talking about this since late Spring discussing the possibility of renting a 3D studio in Europe to film her Birthday and Cover not wanting to cover any of the costs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
were they expecting to be treated as kweens? lol lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

Better give them more redsupers.

[Anonymous No.]

Terrible of them to not pay for everything for the independently wealthy heiresses who earn the company no money and use it as their hobby while ruining it for everyone else

[Anonymous No.]

LMAO and all the while they're stealing half their SC money

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
>shitty apartment and some ramen at their 3D debuts,
That's quite a lot to cover actually, especially for ID visitors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
And who pays for the 3D model anon? You expect the company to pay their talents for every little thing they do?

[Anonymous No.]

No wonder so many of them have cut back on streaming and have ramped up outside activity.

[Anonymous No.]

>op trying to make people shit on Cover
>it backfired
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456480
lol, this
but you get to work for a company with a great reputation and amazing talent :)))

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456568
This board will cope with anything for the blue logo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456480
>>38456570
They wouldn't even be earning half of what they're earning if they weren't in the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
>IMAGINE NOT BEING IN NIJISANJI
Moona would get more had she been a niji

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456335
>>38456421
>>38456422
>>38456432
>>38456437
>>38456464
>>38456563
Are you Cover shills or just retarded. She didn't just mean 3Dlives for birthdays, anniversaries and so on, but for holofes too. It's right there in the image. Of course the company that takes robs you of half of your income without providing anything in return should cover their travel costs, if they require you to come to their studio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456480
Though shit commie. They'd be nothing without the brand.
Look at what happened to Kson, fucking Oga's outfit reveal stream beat her SC income and views of her outfit reveal stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
You mean to tell me the filthy rich women have to spend a little extra money?! The sheer horror!

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456633
Nijiseethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456633
Nijisanji doesn't even pay them a base salary. Why do you think they can spam that many vtubers? Kuroi Shiba had to beg her viewers for money to afford food and medicine. Tell me the last time a holo begged for money to stay alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
It's not that we like it. dipshit. That's how it always fucking worked. Are you really that much of a newfag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456570
I don't really see how cover helps their talents. I mean, when was the last time they used their 3d studio? Unlike nijisanji who has like 3d debuts every other weeks. Imagine the effort being put by nijisanji there. Cover should just stick with tournaments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456714
Cover would be nothing without it's talents. They literally just got lucky. Why are you so keen on sucking of Yagoo?
>>38456754
You mean to tell me the multi-million dollar company has to spend a little extra money? The sheer horror!

[Anonymous No.]

So many unironic Covercucks itt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456714
she literally told people not to SC on that stream in case the archive got taken down lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Timestamp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456790
What are you talking about you fucking retard? They only recently started to go to Japan, because the borders were fucking closed.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah, cover doesn't need to pay for the engineers, the IT guys. It's not like they need to work all the time, I mean, do they even have 3d events there which would require them actually working?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456714
Kson makes 25k $ a month from SC alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456811
>Cover would be nothing without it's talents. They literally just got lucky. Why are you so keen on sucking of Yagoo?
Just like how Coco and Rushia are doing so well now right...oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456861
>>38456888

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456714
Kson usually beats most of the talent month-to-month and she doesn't have to Cover tax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456480
How much money they can make w/o hololive brand ?
tell me

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Why don't they just tell cover "Pay for my trip or I'm not going"

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji and Vshojo is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Cover has had to tighten their belts after loosing Coco and Rushia. Those two were pulling in 200k a month alone. Crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456932
How much money does Cover make without the talents? You think their shitty VR games make any fucking money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
>woman have to pay money something in Japan
do reps whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
fucking casual nigger. go back to re*dit. thats literally what cover has done since day 1 and it goes for every holo jp member as well. they arent employees. if they wanna hold a concert or make a pv then they have to pay in full.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think you realize how much the Holo members make.

[Anonymous No.]

Cope, now without Coco and Rushia, Cover will go bankrupt. HAHAHAHAHAHA, I can't wait to see your oshi begging for money

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine donating money just so cover and youtube can take most of it kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
So you're mad for her to actually try to do her job and actually using the viewers money to entertain the viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457009
>without the talents
you mean EN and ID ? right ?
LMAO ultimate copium

[Anonymous No.]

Vox Akuma alone makes more money than any of your whores combined

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457094
Are you japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>You're coping!
>N-no! You're coping!

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457026
JP members are already in Japan you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456885
Listen to me you fucking Socialist faggot. Not everything in life is free. Cover pays the girls a SALARY, and with that SALARY you use it cover expenses. Holofes 2021 proved it EN and ID participation could be done on the cheap with minimum expenditure by the company. If you want to be there. Tough shit it comes out of your pocket. it's not that big of a shock you fucking NEET. As for equipment purchases wouldnt you rather own it outright then have Cover either dock your pay or seize it when you graduate? Dumb fucking zoomer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
They'd be literal whos without cover.
Women already live on easy mode, cover lets these girls live on very easy mode. I will not lose any sleep over the thought of these bitches spending their own money.

[Anonymous No.]

they all have bucket loads of money so i dont give a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457080
I know. Sad right? A $100 red super chat is really worth $20-30 at most after YT cut and Cover cut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
i don't get it. where's the blacked stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
why are you so butthurt today sis?

[Anonymous No.]

>company sole focus is to maximize profit even at the expense of their employees
>water is wet
get a job anons, and yes that's shitty, so you shouldn't worship Cover, enjoy your oshi while you stil can

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
have you ever get job in real life ??
you don't know what are you talking about kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457273
Amerimutt OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
Can you believe Cover also doesn't pay for the trains and Taxi expenses for JP talents?

[Anonymous No.]

Meanwhile that black company full of whores that the catalog seethes at every day flew my bitch, her manager, and her manager's family to the other side of the planet for a 1 hour presentation with all expenses paid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457377
I think this time he's an EU cuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>Small corpos pay for travel and lodging for con appearances and reimburse talents for games bought to play on stream.
>Billion dollar company Cover makes talents pay travel cost to mandatory company events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457399
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457166
>Cover pays the girls a SALARY, and with that SALARY you use it cover expenses.
Not business expenses you retarded nigger.
>>38457362
You think you have to pay for business trips yourself? Shut the fuck up NEET.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457166
>give us half your money to manage you
>ok now pay for all your own stuff that we can take away from you at any time because we own your character IP
>we're gonna use the money to make genshin impact 2 and hire 300 desk jockeys so we can put your character on a bag of potato chips

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457399
wtf, horrendous, how can she be happy, that's atrocious!!!
DISGUSTING

[Anonymous No.]

I'll just wait until someone notices employees gotta pay for the travel expenses in the average 9-5 job too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457166
A salary of 2000 yen according to Kanata, which is just to get over some law via loophole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457432
A small indie company that doesn't have 300 employees so you probably never heard of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
>without providing anything in return
Except the stage, the hotel, the guide, the mocap, the managers, the food, the musicians, the studio, and many more but sure anon

They only need to pay some money and everything will be done on a silver platter

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457452
Welcome to Corporate vtubing, retard. Money for fame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
apples and oranges

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
Do they have to fly to get to their job too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457516
more like
>illusory fame

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
JP
>pays weekly vocal&dance lesson fee.
>wakes up morning and does meetings for hours, returns home in the night.
ID
>does nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457298
Idk about you but my company pays for that stuff. Theyre not employed theyre licensees

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457155
they arent employees you utter retard. then dont go to japan. they have the option. nobody in cover forces them to go there. they arent gonna be fired for it. if they wanna do business in japan then they can go there. thats all.

im not defending cover. just saying you niggers dont even understand how their contracts work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457495
of course not, that's why I asked retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456565
Yep, need to earn more for their new lifestyle

[Anonymous No.]

It's always funny when schizos try to make a big deal out of this kind of stuff when you have talents in other companies literally begging for their fucking lives because they can't even make ends meet and no one says shit about it. Rent free doesn't even begin to describe this. No one in Hololive is suffering from poverty so who gives a fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
I have never worked in a company that didn't compensate at least some of the travel expenses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457495
oh so they're a company now? you gotta keep your stories consistent vshojokek

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
They dont need go to Japan for the Holofest, just send the record tape, just like myth do in previous year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456565
Anon, besides Noel, they don't do it for the money, they do it for the clout and internet "status", so they can hangout with their respective faggot e-celebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456943
>graduates

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457740
Vshojo is a company but the talents are not company employees. One day you numberkids will learn enough English to understand the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
For business trips the business has always paid for my accommodation, travel and food. What kind of fucking black companies have you worked for? If it is your regular commute I can get a fucking tax rebate for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457711
this is the blue dorito board so seething over anything the blue dorito does is basic procedure

[Anonymous No.]

Kson is richer than she's ever been. She's not restricted as to what she's going to do and sponsorships too. I guess same goes with hololive, as they are now free to collab with a lot of brands lately and are able to show up on mainstream media more. Win win. Nothing to be salty about. Nazuna on the other hand, lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
jesus christ they don't even pay for their talents flight and accommodations for holofes? That's legit awful. Fuck Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457647
>>38457749
Gura literally said that she HAS to go to Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457711
>the company treating their moneymakers like shit so they can funnel every penny possible into a genshit impact clone isn't a big deal
I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457740
It's a quantum state where their status of being a corporation or not is chosen to be most beneficial to the argument at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread
Are you guys actually working for black companies? This isn't okay. I mean, sure if the talent has so many events you can only allocate x amount of travel budget but to not give any at all?
Cover isn't some shitty startup, surely covering plane tickets isn't too far fetched?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457865
I don't think any sidebranches went to holofes due to restrictions. They were there but not physically. So the screenshot might be out of context or fake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Meanwhile, Axel visits Japan, Yagoo himself pays for Axel's dinner date with his female manager and gets given a company laptop to stream on.
Is Axel the illegitimate son of Yagoo?

[Anonymous No.]

Covercucks now realizing that Yagoo has always been a scumbag pimp. But unlike white or black pimps he doesn't have to beat the shit out of his girls to make him money. KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457921
>working
they're all NEETs

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457921
They are the newfags that are fans of the company, not of the girls. Remember the "Things Cover should do".txt? Every fan who has been around for a while knows how shit they are and wouldn't defend them like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457785
Schrodinger VShojo, not a company but actually a company? Who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457890
>acting like other companies leaving their talents to literally having to beg because they can't even get a basic salary isn't a bigger deal than rich women having to spend a little more money
I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457779
As if. Imagine the backlash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458052
Pretending to be retarded won't make this not a scandal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458116
>no counterargument
I accept your concession. Also
>scandal
roru
rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458041
Schrodinger's *
Like I said, learn English.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are vwhorefags so eagerly obsessed with both holos and nijis anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458162
Nice worthless rebuttal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457879
if thats true its just because she had that kind of business. its her own decision with her free will. she could refuse or cancel it if she wanted but just didnt.

your stupid rrats are beyond retarded conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous No.]

>Americans don't know that Companies are supposed to cover your work expenses.
Jesas, and then they laught about the Chinese treating their employee like subhuman

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458262
How much does Cover pay you?

[Anonymous No.]

Not a single Holo member complains about money issues, Think why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
So crazy. Even nothing companies in the US will pay your hotel and meals when you travel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458333
More than their talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457940
There's another holofes coming up in a few months

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458333
your garbage argument is basically "every jp member always tells a lie about their projects and defends cover."

can you understand it, you fucking dumb third world nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458317
What you expect from a country who's half population voted for a grifting retard like Donald Trump? And now are attaching themselves to the Kanye wagon although to them he's always going to be a nigger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458352
It's almost like they're rich or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458459
Holy ESL
>can you understand it, you fucking dumb third world nigger.
projecting

[Anonymous No.]

I thought cover let them use the studio for free, why do they have to pay for concerts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458352
Neither does Cover. Curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458362
Nothing companies in third world shitholes have stumped up for my travel expenses and any hardware I need while on site for them. As a contractor mind you. Even Japanese ones.

[Anonymous No.]

this is like Elon Musk complaining he has to pay for a taxi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458511
so you cant, fucking dumb faggot. you just want to propagate some anti japan shit like chink bugs. go back to your chinky chinky chink hole.

[Anonymous No.]

>Cover is a shit company
Nooo way! In other news:

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
Do you anon even watch the streams of JPs? They literally say that they all pay for it, not just for the ones in the pic Op sent but also for the songs and covers. Its probly in their contracts the individuals cover expenses on these things except for big events like holofes.

example: kanatan paid for 4th gens last song together.

>Of course the company that takes robs you of half of your income
how the fuck would you know that they took half? do you work there?
No member ever brought up how much the company takes, so this is a fking lie.

[Anonymous No.]

By the way, the translation for the first panel is off, since she's talking about future travel expenses including Holofes, not her previous 3D debut (which Cover did pay travel expenses for, as you can see in the second panel).

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458653
The issue isn't paying for songs, but paying for the business trips that are required for holofes and do on.
>No member ever brought up how much the company takes, so this is a fking lie.
watch streams faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or does it seem like the corpo-shills have never actually worked a real job, where these kind of expenses are covered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458246
If you numberboys like numbers so much, why don't you count the pages in an English textbook lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458558
Because it's good for business to be whining about being out of money all the time.

Being retarded just comes naturally to you, doesn't it

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458751
You expect people on disability handouts to know anything about a job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458770
>Because it's good for business to tarnish the reputation of the company you work for
kill yourself retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
They aren't obligated to go if they don't want to, they aren't obligated to do anything in fact if they don't want to

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458653
>example: kanatan paid for 4th gens last song together.
Yeah, and Marine paid $500k for a MV. Clearly these girls aren't in dire straits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458751
They also can take a month off work to mourn a dead pet, Stop comparing it to a normal job you fucking neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458534
They pay for studio use, tracks, cover IT guys, and merch. Most likely they get the income (bottom line). And cover gets money from them renting the studio, cover stage staff, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

Its not about the money, its about the principle. Cover should be ashamed that this got out, it makes them look cheap and unsupportive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458751
The only thing the company should pay for is travel expenses and a place for the talents to stay when tere are big events. Songs, concert and others should be 50/50,

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458831
>>38457879

[Anonymous No.]

did cover ever build the US studio?

ame studio probably only costed her 30k or so far. if the other girls pay her back a little per use, they will all come out ahead. (assuming it costs around $5k per trip to japan if you include flight tickets, hotels, food, etc in central tokyo, versus a couple hundred for a domestic flight to LA. of course fuck kiara and bae, they don't matter)

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457496
NTA and I'm not getting involved here, but that's really outdated news. Coco already said a few months before her graduation that they got a raise in their salaries (in the same stream she mentioned how some girls could renegotiate their SC cuts with Cover - i.e: Lamy managed to get a 6:4 to her advantage). Don't know how much said "raise" was, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457879
Gura is being requested to go to Japan but she never said it was for holofes and she herself never mentioned if she's paying for everything either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458933
Yeah you begin with a 50/50 then later you renegotiate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458988
i can't imagine any of these girls having the backbone to negotiate. what are they gonna do, walk out?

[Anonymous No.]

ITT EN sharts seething their whores gets second class citizen treatment

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457777
nami isnt like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469

Are you actually retarded? You have to pay to go to work and back every day, sure, but I've never even heard of a business that doesn't pay all or nearly all travel expenses for business trips. Plane ticket, hotel room, even food. That's just fucking normal. What kind of shitty companies are you working for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457940
The first panel is mistranslated, she's talking about future travel plans so it shouldn't be past tense

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458927
AFAIK, no. They sent the suites to the girls, but that was all. Don't think they ever said that they were considering building a studio in the US either.
A proper studio for proper 3D will definitely cost way more than Ame's 30k "studio". I don't remember the exact amount, but it should be around 6-7 figures (including all expenses, not just the equipment, of course)

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458875
A company that lets their talents take a month off to mourn a pet, more than three months off to learn how to go to bed earlier than 6AM, or spend literally half a year without doing a members stream because of laziness, is unsupportive. Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
If they don't like it they can always get a regular 9 to 5. Protip, they won't because sitting on your ass and playing games for a few hours a day makes the slight inconvenience of having to pay for travel expenses worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459058
>i can't imagine any of these girls having the backbone to negotiate
>how to tell people you haven't watched hololive without telling them you haven't watched hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
See >>38459106

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459292
I don't see how that changes anything about the issue of them having to pay to travel to Japan for holofes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459292
>>38459387
nah, it's just that some people thought she was talking about the past holofes (sidebranches didn't travel) or 3D debut (company did pay, as shown in the second panel)

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine basically hiring foreign actors for a role and refusing to pay for them to get to your studio for a shoot. And then people on the internet who are fans of Paramount or whatever argue that's somehow normal and not completely retarded. lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458743
Link the stream where they state cover takes 50% of their income
And just in case superchats aren't even the biggest part of their income if you think it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459646
Coco literally said superchats were her biggest source of income but alright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458927
Why would they have to build a fucking expensive studio just for a few members, it's not even comparable to the japan studio where entire jp branch can use it

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
Cover is such a garbage corporation in how they treat their talents that it is almost impressive. They hype holofes as the major hololive concert of the year with tickets that have a total price of $150 but they still make the talents pay for travel costs. I am starting to see why the talents gradually lose respect for Cover the longer they work for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459701
And every other member said merch is their biggest source of income. Ever thought Coco might be the exception?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459701
Did Coco do much sponsorships? I feel like she didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459871
>>38459881
Yea it's weird how everyone except her got a lot of sponsorships and merch. But anyway Cover treats their employees great and it's fine that the foreign branches don't get shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456335
It's a business trip, so normally the company would pay the costs, but then again they aren't employees but contractors. But a normal contractor would then charge the business with the costs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459777
The only reason the talents aren't leaving en masse is because of the money they made despite the bullshit. Everything will fall apart like Upd8 once the money dries up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38459871
They (including Coco) said that merch is the best way to support them, because they get a bigger cut. I don't remember anyone saying that merch is the biggest part of their income.

[Anonymous No.]

These arguments are made by the exact same people and you can't convince me otherwise
>the talents can not work whenever they want because cover is not like other normal companies
>Cover should be like other companies and pay for every expense for their employees
What's next, Cover should buy an apartment in Tokyo near the studio for every talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38460016
You are so fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457399
Wow, I am sure Cover has as much money as Amazon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456633
Where's Niji's ID branch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457423
>Billion dollar company
>Cover
RUMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>38460005
Merch and sponsorship are definitely the biggesr part of their income, merch you could check yourself and sponsorships pay a ridiculous amount of money to way smaller streamers than holos, to people as big as the holos it must be at least double that

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457495
>Small indie company that just so happens to have one of the founders of Twitch as its CEO
You gotta love the delusion of VWhojokeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>38460137
Japan currency. Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
A plumber/electrician has to buy his own tools even if he works for a company. Music labels don't pay for musicians' instruments. She's using company's infrastructure, how hard is it to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38460005
>They (including Coco) said that merch is the best way to support them, because they get a bigger cut.
Okay, so it's still a part of their biggest income since they get a bigger cut. Sponsorships would be the other one since they get paid ludicrous amounts for those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456943
Then you aren't attending the fes or 3d live. Plenty of other talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38460263
>Says billion dollar company
>Actually I meant yen, how could you not know that when I say dollar, you retard
RUMAO how fucking pathetic, kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457255
Still more than minimum wages in certain countries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458317
Americans have been brainwashed into wanting to become the bosses abusing their employees for more profits. Anti-union propaganda is really strong over there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38460522
I wasn't the original (You) that triggered you retard. Do you know where cover HQ is? Which other currency does japan have other than yen wh is this has to be explained to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456480
But they have monthly wages that can make even a 2view live a normal life without having a 2nd job, so in some kinda way that money goes back to them and probably for the lower sc earners is even more

[Anonymous No.]

Kanata paid 1 million yens to accelerate and make the 4th gen song, and some months later she spent around 1000 dolars to buy an alarm clock. My god the talents are starving and eating fucking bugs from the ground...

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Companies should always pay for the plane ticket and hotel for their employees. Cover make millions per month but can't put aside a few thousands for shit like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38461043
B-BUT THE EXPENSEEEEES! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458534
Pay the people bts. You think the talents does everything?

[Anonymous No.]

Cover defense force working hard today. Must be the promise of a christmas bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38461043
Kanata also used to live in a luxurious apartment complex with kson but now have to live in a shit hole area of japan where she could be easily targeted to be raped by actual schizos.

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>>38461187
Yeah, I can't believe Kson did that to her.

[Anonymous No.]

in b4 Vesper got suspended because of a pay dispute

[Anonymous No.]

>>38461183
I'm getting a bonus alright. How about you? You getting more than 100 ARS gift cards already? Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.]

Lot of newfags here or something? Its been known for a while that they have to pay to use the studio and shit, sure it sucks but 3D studios are expensive as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Vtuber unions when? And how would vtuber strikebreakers work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38461332
>newfags
Just schizos

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>>38457647
>they arent employees
They are employees and receive salary.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe if Cover didn't have an obscene amount of background employees to pay, then they would actually be able to support the talents with shit like this. Makes no sense why Cover only supports their travel expenses, but actually using the studio is all on the girls. No wonder Ame worked so hard trying to get 3D shit done herself, rather than giving Cover more money for something they should be able to do for free.

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>>38461215
You mean yagoo?

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Does Cover actually own the 3D studio though? Cause it seems like non-Holos even use the studio as well. Even if Cover did own the studio entirely, 3D studios are expensive as we have heard from the members themselves costing upwards of 6 figures to use properly. Makes sense why Cover would even charge their own people to use it.

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>>38456225
Cover is cheap as fuck despite making a lot of money.

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>>38460673
What are you even implying here?

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>Cover should pay for everything for them and also not take a cut of their profits
smell the reddit communists in this thread

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>>38461655
I've always interpreted that Cover does not have their own studio, but rents one. Don't think it makes too much sense for them to have one, because it would be unused for the majority of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38463004
No they do have one but they also rent it out, it's not a hololive exclusive studio, even nijis rent it sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

This board sure loves to talk about the money a streamer makes a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>38461187
>luxurious apartment complex
luxurious 17 years old leaking air conditioners
lmao... luxurious my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>38461521
True, they went from 154 employees to 377 employees in a single year. Cover has plenty of money they just refuse to spend it on their foreign talents. Ame had to support holoEN with their 3D projects since they couldn't get any support.

[Anonymous No.]

Clipwatcher need to hang themself and begone

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>>38456225
Why don't she ask for the "person" who supports her from behind to help instead of Cover AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Ger rekt. Cover is totally right in not supporting bitches.

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>>38463293
I think we mean the same. They basically have one that they are partnered with in some way, but they don't own it.

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>>38465014
Compared to where kanata is living now that apt was a fucking high end condo.

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>>38459989
Ok but aren't most of them rich?

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>>38465855
Why would that matter?

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>>38456225
Wheres the shitty apart and ramen part? Moona said they treated them very well, give them all they needed, personalized manager for their own while in japs that is ready 24/7, a month worth living cost for a 3 weeks in japan, i watched selen 3d too, the fact that she had a very limited time and rushed event with only 12 hours preparation broke my heart

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>>38462156
And thats why Amerimutt subhumans cant even make any passable entertainments anymore. They all live in their religious woke narratives and actually waste all money on them. Not only that, they constantly bitch about literally everything Japanese do and claim all non Japanese should be much more entitled than Japanese despite there being no inequality between all Holo vtubers.

Aso whats schizo here is that they are saying vtubers making many money should have more money, ignoring everything else. Actually not even communists. They are absolutely toxic capitalists.

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>>38456225
>your entire business model relies on talents making content
>refuse to make it easy/accessible for said talents to hold special events or products that would increase sales
>also make them pay for their own business-related expenses, reducing the rate at which products or events held
>wonder why EN is declining and the talents aren't motivated to stream
Yagoo and the executive suite should know better. It's a contradiction to want to create more profit but also refuse to front-load the overhead that your talents/growth avenue require to grow, and it's also the reason the EN market will continue to shrink for Cover if things continue business-as-usual.

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>>38466627
What's this cope with ENfags, this is the first year where EN can even travel to japan, Myth has been lazy since last year, there is no correlation

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>>38466282
In Japan people sell amulets that are supposed to keep ghosts away. Japan is a toxic capitalist nation itself.

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>>38466796
Irrespective of laziness or motivation, it's bad business to create obstacles for whatever is making you money.

JP simply has more members making more money than EN, and they don't have the same travel expenses, even if they do have overhead related to music production and events. Cover's shrinking EN market is due to self-sabotage and a growing amount of competent competition.

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>>38466627
Maybe them going public will be good then. Objectively, this is a stupid business practice, and having shareholders would hold them accountable to that.

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>>38465079
>they just refuse to spend it on their foreign talents
Well yeah, I wouldn't spend money on people who refuse to work either.

[Anonymous No.]

>ctrl+f niji
>10 results

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>>38467381
That is completely backwards. If they have shareholders they will have more pressure to cut more of the money going to the talents. The easiest way to consistently drive up profits is to cut costs. It is terrible for long term growth but most public companies only think one quarter ahead.

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>>38456225
Is this that surprising? Many Hololive and Holostars vtubers have talked about paying for projects by themselves when they go past a certain budget. Hell, for Astel's 3D anniversary later he spent over 7million yen of his own money. This isn't news at all

[Anonymous No.]

This has been known forever.
Cover pays for some basic stuff, but the rest is up to the talents to pay for.
Pekora had a damn near mental breakdown on stream once because Cover wouldn't help pay for a project. Full tears and all.

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>>38460001
Good take anon. Oh wait, no, upd8 went under because the prioritized money over their talents well being, and the talents did leave en mass. So yeah, the exact opposite of your shit take.

[Anonymous No.]

this is so sad, that's why i donate to my oshi's roommate directly and we have real conversations at my house

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this thread so retarded? If the talents are unsatisfied with this, they can just leave the company. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38467965
>Pekora had a damn near mental breakdown on stream once because Cover wouldn't help pay for a project. Full tears and all.
Wasn't that because they shut it down halfway?

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>>38456464
>who earn the company no money
>while ruining it for everyone else
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>38468403
Wait was it? I'm sure it was money related.
Unless this is also something else that happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
Have you ever worked a job in your life? Of course you haven't you are posting on /vt/

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>>38468395
Or, B) They stay but don't create things that cost them money, like covers, originals, 3D live concerts, concerts in general, new outfits, special appearances, etc etc...

I'm fairly certain Ame did her 3D studio as an investment for when she's no longer in Hololive.

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>>38461065
The talents aren't their employees, anon

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>>38456225
no wonder mori is trying to leave this shit company
no wonder shojo are overtaking them

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>>38468605
The talents that have barely done songs wouldn't make more songs even if they were free lmao

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>>38468630
Irrelevant, even contractors, in certain situations have their travel expenses paid.

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>>38468690
Yes, I'm sure your imaginary hypothetical scenario is certainly what would have happened in the event that expenses were paid for.

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As I understand it there's a clear divide in terms of how much support the company gives to JP members and everyone else.
JP girls get to use the company's own facilities for 3D and stuff. And are provided with a lot of extras like singing and dancing coaches.

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>>38468605
Content won't stop because talents need to pay expenses up front. They make more money by creating those things. Increased viewership, more fans, more youtube money, more merch sales. There is a reason Cover limits how often they can get new outfits and merch, because if the girls had their way most of them would be spamming them as fast as possible even if they need to pay for them out of pocket. You also don't see many of the girl's roommates creating a lot of those things because even though they would get to keep a bigger cut of the profits Cover is providing resources that make it easier for them to produce in hololive. So the options really either things follow the current successful model, cover pays expenses up front and takes a bigger cut of the revenue or they leave hololive and go independent to get a bigger cut of the profits but no corporate support or brand boost.

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>>38468947
>It's easier for a JP company to support JP talents
>It's easier for a EU company to support EU talents
>It's easier for a US company to support US talents
>You: This is discrimination! How can a JP company support JP citizens more!!!
You're always the victim, aren't you?

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>>38468808
NTA, but I'm pretty sure HoloJP worked hard on all you mentioned even before 2020 / early 2021, when their salaries were still pitifully low and they get like 2 big 3D events, similar amount of outfits and no fund whatsoever for original songs / covers per year.
If someone slacks because of the lack of additional supports (current supports from Cover have already improved a lot compared to 2020 era), chances are she will still slack anyway. I meant, if >we are to talk about non-JP Holo: Fauna, Bae, Kaela and even IRyS (when her throat isn't dead) all work hard even though they don't really get any more support than Ame (heck, they don't even have proper 3D models yet until coming HoloFes).
I'd love for the girls to get more supports, but something aren't really that simple

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>>38468808
It's a passion problem anon, not a money problem, it's that simple. Gura wouldn't make a song even if it was free, she made up an excuse that a fucking Kanaria song was worth 200k. And after that she gave up even though it was obviously the wrong price. She had no drive whatsoever to actually make a song

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>>38468947
JP girls still have to pay for the studio outside of company mandated events, and their studio is super packed as well (that's why some of them, i.e: Aqua, has to look for other studios not affiliated with Cover).

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>>38466282
Third worlders shouldn't have internet access

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>>38456225
That's why we donate thru streamlabs, retarded burger. Imagine going all out on SC that go directly into some corpo pockets KEK only a cuck would think this is some kind of superiority.

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>>38469738
Do you truly think corpo chuubas get to pocket 100% of their streamlabs revenue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38466282
seethe more

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>>38456225
Just give more superchats

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>>38469414
That's pretty disgraceful. There's clearly the need for it so they should be expanding those facilities.

>>38469208
Personally I would say that due to the reduced support Cover can provide they should take a smaller cut from their international talents.

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>>38470062
>due to the reduced support Cover can provide they should take a smaller cut from their international talents.
We dont even know their cut.

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>>38457166
Capitalist apologists are even worse than commies, because they still push their failed ideology believe it's god's gift to humanity when it's just god's grift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456690
Won't someone think of the millionaire women who make their money pretending to be an anime girl 6 hours a week!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38471293
How does Yagoo's cock taste like, you retarded faggot. Kill yourself

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>>38459058
>i can't imagine any of these girls having the backbone to negotiate.
The ex-OLs definitely do. Marine has been doing a ton of negotiations in the background, Lamy renegotiated her cut ages ago and I bet Lui will be angling for a better contract soon as well.

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>>38471422
>Nijifaggot tries to bait
>Fails because I hate women anyway and don't care
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38471529
So you are a homofag then? Even more reason to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>38471594
Nope only watch Hololive but I only care about them in so far as they act like anime girls for my personal entertainment. Their personal wellbeing is of no interest to me whatsoever, in fact I'd prefer they burn out if it produces better content for me to consume

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>>38457166
Fuck off back to your containment ghetto /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.]

>SEA middle schoolers seriously defending a business not reimbursing travel expenses
What a joke this board is, holy shit.

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>>38472025
They're contractors not employees if that helps. A lot of people here are confusing the two, you don't reimburse contractors you pay them as they invoice you.

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>>38471675
Hologirls are perpetually exploited and burned out though rumao, enjoy your month long hiatus content

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457273
we've had a surge of cucks recently due to nijisanji and OP shitting on cover basicall confirms it. jannies apparently too low IQ to see through it and just prune it

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>>38473116
Still better than the other options

[Anonymous No.]

>>38473116
they are burnt out because of people like you

[Anonymous No.]

>I want more benefits
What you mean is that yagoo should take bigger cuts to make it happen, right?

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>>38456225
OP you poor poor bastard. Did you seriously believe the /#/ when they spammed about the Girls having amazing deals with the corpos and getting actual support?
The Idol business is a lot like a Pimp and a Prostitute. The Bitches(Vtuber) make a lot of money but nearly all of it goes to the Pimp(Corp). The money they do make tends to go paying for clothes or expenses to help with their work. Is it unfair? Yes. But all the girls knew or should have known this since this same thing happens in the actual idol community. Usually it's just a stepping stone to a different career path like musician or movie star, or to find a rich wealthy husband.
This exact thing used to happen with the playboy bunnies before Hugh died.

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>>38469873
Ateast Streamlabs didin't take a fucking 30% cut first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38471675
Are you 12? Underage b&

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>>38459281
Depends on who you watch but most of them are doormats

[Anonymous No.]

>>38474199
Personally I think this is why Gura is slowly drifting away.
She was expecting something very different since this idol shit was her dream.

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>>38471675
Them being burnt out only produces the opposite of what you want you goddamned retard.

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>>38456225
So did she pay for her trip to Japan or not? She literally contradicted herself in the next paragraph where she said cover paid for her travel and housing.

Besides not paying for the flight for holofes the rest makes sense. Being in holo = instant success. Even the most boring talent gets 1000ccv.

>have to pay for your 3d live?
>holo makes 100k in superchats in one stream and more in merch

Unless they pocket a portion of superchat money from a birthday 3d live.

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>>38474557
gura covers and orisongs doko, can't possibly cost 200k USD each one.

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>>38475563
Less having to pay for shit and organise it herself. More the general environment seems to be offputting for her.

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>>38456225
>write it as work expense
>doesn't pay taxes
I am literally 18yo and know this is how it works

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>>38475698
You are literally retarded. They still have to pay for it and lose money. Writing it off just means that they don't have to pay taxes on that amount of their income. Stop talking out of your ass, kid.

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>>38475336
Superchat money is peanuts, they get full cut from their the merch. I am pretty sure a lot of old holofans pretty much switched to buying merch since they don't want to give youtube money.

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>>38466985
Do... do they work? Because if they do, that could be pretty useful.

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>>38475842
We might not be talking about the same thing here
Either that or you're off your meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>38475698
and you are an expert on Indonesian tax law?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
What do you expect? You want Cover to give them luxurious hotels and a first class airplane ticket to Japan for a concert that will only last two days?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38475842
It depends on the country. Here in the UK you can generally get VAT back off business expenses.
I think in the USA you can claim the full amount off your taxes.
Indonesia I have no idea.

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>>38456225
Kek ohnoooo my job is sitting and talking and i make thousands in a week ohno i have to pay for myself :( ohnonono

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>>38476151
lol no
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p535#en_US_2020_publink100078332

You can basically write off said expenses as business related, which they are, btw, and get credit, rebates, deductions, the whole nine yards
It's called being a professional
I work in construction with a couple of partnes and just went through this process with a lawyer because we needed to buy tools, equipment, phones, and a bunch of that shit was deductible
I bet she can write off even the gsmws she play, or the computers she own, let alone travel tickets and hotel stays

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>>38470177
The superchat cut is normally 50/50 but when Lamy renegotiated her contract a year later she was able to get her cut increased to 60/40. The contract renewal is when hololive talents can ask Cover for significant changes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38476021
Just accept the ghost blowjobs, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38476643
nipponese girls arent part of the international cast, anon

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>>38476306
I don't know other countries but in the US expensing items only saves you whatever that percentage is of your marginal tax rate. For example if she spent 4 nights in a hotel for $1k and deducted that on her taxes she doesn't get the full grand back, that would be a tax credit. Instead assuming a 30% marginal tax rate she would be able to claim an additional $300 on her tax return. Business expenses lessen the impact of those expenditures but don't eliminate the cost completely.
Regardless Hololive girls make enough money that paying for their own expenses isn't that big of a deal.

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>>38475617
the general environment? Going to meetings, playing games and sitting on your ass all day? as fat as mori may be it's sad how she's more of an idol gura would ever hope to be going on trips to Japan constantly just to record a song lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38477997
Please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>38469208
Well don't cry when none of the indie EN talent chooses to go to hololive or idol corp overtakes it in the west

[Anonymous No.]

>>38472179
Companies absolutely do reimburse or pay in advance for contractors room and board when they need them to travel somewhere. Also the holomems are employees. The collect a salary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38476281
Why not? Cover makes a ton of money off these events and these girls. Why not treat them nicely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38476522
Tbf we know these girls are idiots about taxes. See Calli thinking she needed to pay taxes on her income twice

[Anonymous No.]

>>38458057
Shut the Reddit and DMCA anyone who speak of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Then just abandon the evil Japanese company and never go to Japan, you fucking virtue signalling chink nigger. Your beloved Chink commie or Amerimutt woke companies will treat you a much better way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457298
>>38457638
That why Indies should join Idol because they care about putting the money back into the members

[Anonymous No.]

>>38479939
Im sure that getting those plane tickets for free is much better than earning a shitton of money.

[Anonymous No.]

OP status?

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>>38480042
Oh very Goy

[Anonymous No.]

It's honestly sad how corpocucks only worship brand.
It's no wonder ex-memebers like Coco, Rushia, Aloe either became hated or lost all their viewers after they lost their soulless brand.
This is I will never consider Holobronies as true vtuber fans. Because you do not care about streamers, you only care about brand, this is why retards here still simp despite weeks worth of being ghost out.
All your oshi talk in here, is the fakest shit imaginable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38480042
I dont think thats the point, unlike idol that is a small corpo Hololive profits over 15m USD a year, they can afford to support their talent, they just don't want to

[Anonymous No.]

REMINDER
stop using ARS to SC your oshi guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>38478923
struck a nerve, chumbie?

[Anonymous No.]

good thread OP, check DM

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
Did Lazulite have to pay for... whatever they did in Japan?
I'd be impressed if so

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
My mate who’s a assistant manager at a fast food place had travel and accomodations covered when they had him cover at a rural store for a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38480291
I will gift (You)r oshi ARS memberships

[Anonymous No.]

>>38480595
By the way they worded it, it sounded like AnyColor were AT LEAST paying for the hotel they stayed at for 3 weeks, and it seems like they also paid for the accommodation for NijiFes. Unclear if they had to pay for their own flights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38471675
Are you genuinely retarded? You know what happens when someone burns out? They go on the Shion “I will stream maybe 3-5 times a month” schedule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38478923
You mad cause he's right lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38481038
and? must be sucked to have no faithful follower indiebros

[Anonymous No.]

>>38480961
>it sounded like .. were .. AT LEAST
anon.. your doubts are way off the roof

[Anonymous No.]

>>38477997
More the backroom bullshit.
Like most people all she ever saw was the moments on stage with the cheering crowd.
Didn't really understand all the bullshit that goes into getting you there.

>>38479599
Calli is a US citizen. She does.
USA taxes its citizens globally. And whenever you're in a country it generally expects you to pay its taxes.
So while in Japan Calli is paying US income tax and Japanese income tax.
There's not many ways around this (outside of being in the military or being married to someone who is) and I'm not sure any are available to Calli.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38480291
uuuu who dares bothering my oshi, she changing now because of (you)r fucking ars

[Anonymous No.]

>>38481647
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456943
that's what happened to ina. only 1 appearance throughout holofes

[Anonymous No.]

>>38481768
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-about-international-individual-tax-matters

Literally the first section.
>Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live.However, you may qualify for certain foreign earned income exclusions and/or foreign income tax credits. VisitPublication 54, Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad, for additional information.

I know its insane. Theres only two countries that do this.
But the USA really does tax its citizens income globally and doesn't take into account what local taxes they may be paying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456966
>nijisanji
search about kuroi shiba on internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>38482180
The US has a deal with Japan where you can avoid paying some of them

[Anonymous No.]

unless cover didn't pay a dime if said talents perform on holofes stage. i wouldn't call it black company. until it's proven otherwise. knowing how shitty this board can be and now tourists came and go and spread vt shitpost on facebook or twitter like 4chan is the best sources for these things. clearly out of my mind lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>38482180
The US has a tax treaty with Japan and Calli would have qualified for the foreign earned income exclusion. She still has to file in the US. But she does not get double taxed. Both she and you are idiots. Thankfully she realized this and had an accountant handle her shit instead of whatever idiot thing she was doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>38457469
business trips are absolutely covered, you disingenuous motherfucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>38482519
Yes this falls under a "foreign earned income exclusion"
As one criteria for this is:
>A U.S. resident alien who is a citizen or national of a country with which the United States has an income tax treaty in effect and who is a bona fide resident of a foreign country or countries for an uninterrupted period that includes an entire tax year

Now this does raise potential questions of whether or not Calli qualifies as a "bona fide resident"
But the USA does indeed have an income tax treaty. Which actually covers what constitutes a "bona fide resident"
The main question here is mainly where Calli maintains her "permanent residence" or failing that the "Contracting State with which his or her personal and economic relations are closest (center of vital interests)"
Now I would say Calli definitely falls under the latter in this regard. Assuming she has no permanent residence in the USA (which she does not seem to)

I think what has occurred in her case is that she either did her taxes herself (generally a bad idea in the USA due to how their tax is designed to maintain an industry) or had an existing accountant in the USA she had been using before she left for Japan and just kept as her accountant out of habit with said accountant not understanding foreign income taxation.
Either way this oversight occurred because the one doing the taxes lacked the specific knowledge of foreign income for US citizens required to do the job properly.

Calli has likely switched accountants (or actually hired one). Employing a specialist who immediately did the same sort of facepalm that is commonly seen among accountants elsewhere in the world where taxation is mostly automatic when they first see their clients books.
The "For fucks sake you dumb fuck you are paying so much more tax than you need to" facepalm.

This would explain why Calli has returned to Japan. The US citizen tax debuff has been negated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38482522
if you referring to the op image, she explained the one that you have to covered yourself is like 3d concert for your own channel, your own characters anniversary, birthday that include 3d, other than that, if its covers official concert, like holofes, hololive concert, 3d debut, cover will compensate most of your expenses, also >>38466049

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
This thread is full of idiots who have never traveled for work. I travel all the time for work and never pay a dime from the time I leave my house to the time I return home. My company pays for my Ubers, flights, hotels, food, everything. I don’t even share a hotel room.

I make my company money when I travel, so of course they pay for it. I would never pay to go to a client site. Cover makes a ton of money on concerts, they are absolutely in the wrong by not paying for travel. And really, they should also pay for all equipment required for streaming. That is what real companies do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38483172
You are focusing on the wrong topic. The FEIE applies up to a $ threshold it isn't a catch all. I imagine Calli makes significantly more than the limit. But while the FEIE does excuse you from US income tax what is usually more impactful is the Foreign tax credit which allows her to receive a credit for every $ she pays in JP taxes so she would only owe the IRS the difference if there was any between what she paid JP and what she would owe in the US. I'm not familiar with JP tax rates and there are other complications in tax law but she most likely paid a chunk to the JP government and then had a nominal amount she still owed the IRS.
Either way I am pretty sure Calli is a US citizen and not a resident alien, and you are eligible for the FEIE if you physically out of the US for 330 days of the year so residency doesn't matter either.
I can't explain stupid but any US accountant should pick up on the foreign tax credit pretty instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38483839
Well yes she is a US citizen. We all know this.
Her parents are, she grew up in the USA and she is able to return to the USA. And I'm pretty sure she has explicitly stated she is in the past.
But yeah the specifics are going to vary.
It doesn't seem to matter though as whoever she had doing her taxes wasn't aware of how all this worked.
Now this is something I wouldn't be shocked seeing from someone who just does family accounting since foreign income tax related rules are not something they will come into contact with on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Marine had to pay for her music videos out of pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38484063
Fucking disgraceful.
What are they paying Cover for?
What is Cover doing with all that money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38456225
They already got to be known through the brand.

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>>38484059
I don't watch Calli so I assumed she was a citizen but wasn't sure.
Again idk if her accountant was incompetent but it's pretty basic stuff. I think it is more likely that she just misunderstood or had some non accountant give her "advice"

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If you join hololive.
>They will take all the superchat money
>Youtubers make a living from ad revenue, but they take that too
>You're paid a set salary, so striving for growth feels useless
>They will provide ZERO help in the production of day to day content
>In fact they make it harder by micromanaging you, less options on games to play or things to stream
>They will tell you what NOT to do, but never give you any help or direction on what to do
>Effectively you can create as as much as an indie, but less free
>You gotta pay them to use their studios
>Not JP? lmao get fucked and don't even think of making your own solution, no vrchat, not allowed to make a self made mocap studio. Only cucked vrchat low poly
>You don't own your brand
>You don't own your channel
>You don't own all the videos you produced and the company had pretty much 0 involvement in making
>WHEN, not IF you graduate, you will lose everything you ever worked for
>You will never get back to your old numbers because your name is kept a secret
>Successfully tricked everyone into thinking that hiding your IRL name is about keeping the "Roleplay" (They don't even keep characters anymore). When in reality is to keep them slaved to the company with loss aversion, cannot ever leave
>Half of the EN branch is already burned the fuck out and doesn't care about streaming anymore

I would cry but there are retards who still defend all this con. At least some who are not braindead like Sana realize this is just slavery with a pretty name.

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>>38484602
I doubt she was doing her taxes herself.
US tax law isn't very friendly to people who do.
And again most tax accountants in the USA are just going to be dealing with regular people paying taxes on wages received in the USA.

>>38484696
It's not entirely bad.
If you go in with something resembling a plan you can use it to boost your own stuff considerably.
Calli is definitely the best example of this. Since her own music career has been massively boosted by her involvement in Hololive even if most of her income is still tied to Calli.

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>>38484819
>It's not entirely bad.
>If you go in with something resembling a plan you can use it to boost your own stuff considerably.
>Calli is definitely the best example of this. Since her own music career has been massively boosted by her involvement in Hololive even if most of her income is still tied to Calli.

Do you read what you write? You are only confirming Holo is a death trap unless you plan on betraying the company itself from the get go.

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>>38484887
Less a death trap more a typical entertainment production company.
In that industry you don't do loyalty or any kind of sentimentality.
You shank someone in the back the second its beneficial to do so before they do the same to you.

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>>38484819
I meant more Calli making stuff up when talking about taxes on stream, she makes way too much money to ever think about doing her own taxes.
It actually isn't that weird a concept. If you do work in two different states you run into a similar concept. I'm pretty sure even if you blindly used a tax software it would probably prompt you to look into the taxes paid where the person was physically working.

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>>38483482
You are probably an employee. As a contractor it is entirely up to Cover as to what they want to cover. If the girls won't negotiate better terms it is their fault.

Also, if your taxes are even slightly complicated hire an accountant. It has saved me so much money.

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>>38457469
most respecting office jobs cover business expenses like travel lol

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>>38484696
I could respond to more than the half shit you just wrote, but the summary is that you should kys

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>>38484819
I would be so embarrassed if my friends caught me listening to a white girl rapper who is a vtuber. It would essentially ruin the friendships because they would never stop making jokes. At least other stuff is just weeb. Calli manages to combine so many bad things. Not that I've been tempted to listen to it. She obviously isn't the brightest person or too tied to the truth, so her rambling on taxes shouldn't be taken seriously. She has to have some kind of residential visa or immigration would flag and detain her for so many entries.