/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

If Vesper gets terminated by the end of this suspension, do you think reddit and twitter will agree with Cover's decision or will it be a repeat of the Rushia one where they'll blame like "idol culture" and the real reason he's out is because Cover is pandering to "unicorns" that were mad he's getting close to the girls?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
I mean I love the guy, but you can't just go around raping coworkers. I think even reddit understands that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
>When
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Rushia was fired after she had a yab on stream and everyone blamed that.
Rushia leaked everything she could to a local gossip tuber and as a result everyone disowned her, including her genmates.
Nobody knows wtf Vesper did right now. But it cannot be severe, because other holos still follow his RM twitter.
If he's terminated everyone will blame the management, because everything points to him fucking with his manager. The most probable reason is his Zomboid server, or the Xcom permissions. But even if those perms were revoked two hours before his stream, he really shouldn't call his mane-chan a "fucking double nigger"

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Depends how Cover will word this termination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
>they'll blame like "idol culture" and the real reason he's out is because Cover is pandering to "unicorns" that were mad he's getting close to the girls?
You seem quite dumb anon. The people were reacting to things unicorns were saying about her firing, not that this was absolutely the real reason she was fired.
They will, of course, make fun of you if this happened too, but again, not the definitive reason for firing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
>The most probable reason is his Zomboid server
What happened with the server?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
ok but why would he be terminated after being suspended? every other time cover fired someone they didn't fuck around with a pre-termination suspension

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064018
>makes a zomboid server
>pays out of his pocket
>currently it's unknown whether management was informed about it
>invites rpr and other non-holos to the server
>currently it's unknown if management knew about that

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
No one actually knows for sure what exactly the fuck he did so there would be no blame to throw around

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Oh shit, I forgot this faggot exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064141
nothing about that fits the "disrespectful behavior and repeated incidents" that the suspension post mentioned.
this is just wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
Look, sometimes it just slips out without you even realizing it after you've been /here/ long enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064234
>"disrespectful behavior and repeated incidents"
I love this because it implies he was warned to stop whatever he was doing but he just kept going. With an attitude like that the odds are very high he's going to get himself terminated or simply quit. The downfall of Tempus is fucking beautiful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064234
oh, I forgot the part where the manager said "sorry Vesper, but you cannot have a zomboid server without us controlling everyone coming in and out" and Vesper answered "get that nigger bitch out the plane"

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
why wait it out for two weeks when he can just quit
>but muh Aloe
that's because westerners were going against the nips that it escalated and she couldn't take it anymore, there's no such thing for Vesper

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
If his genmates can talk about his suspension and even joke about it then it's not that serious. You ever seen StarsJP react to that news? They thought it was another Monday for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064345
I'm sure you'll reply if I find out he isn't terminated and it turns out to be a nothingburger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064476
>first en publicly suspended
>for 2 weeks (ie 2 years in vtuber time)
>this close to debut
>nothingburger

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064451
>the first public suspension in the EN branch's entire history
>not that serious
Nice cope you've got there

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064555
name one suspension that was for something actually serious

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064597
twappers

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
He won't, it's already more than a week. If he's going to be terminated they would'nt wait out this long

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064555
yeah it isn't but I'm happy to give me your thoughts instead of telling me to "cope"
He'll come back so I'm expecting you'll reply to me if that happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
reddit are unironic corporate bootlickers. Only /here/ and Twitter will be mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064531
better reply to me if that happens then

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
I do not see a shred of malice or stupidity in this man. That's the huge diference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064597
Name a time when an EN was publicly suspended for something that wasn't serious. Oh wait, this is the first time that an EN has ever been publicly suspended.

>>38064689
>He'll come back
Oh he'll come back. But he won't last very long before the inevitable termination/quitting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
They'll blame idol culture and 4chan and shit on Japanese culture as they tell others not to shit on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064597
Oga. Nene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064717
>>38064763 nta but I agree with him

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064763
>>38064804
sure, but he's not one to quit if you've ever watched any of his streams but I'm assuming you don't. So you can go ahead and stand by your statement and I'll stand by mine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064885
Unless Magni and Altare are also quiting, I can't see this 40 year olds virgin Wizard leaving his tower lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064791
Neither of them were suspended. Not even the Miko/ Marine incident caused any suspension. In fact, there have been ZERO public suspensions since the Taiwan incident

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064885
Not those anon, but the guy who litteraly flew from his previous job to dispear in nature for weeks isn't the type to quit? Action talk louder than words and whenever what he said he just ran away once he can do it again. result he will quit.

[Anonymous No.]

Turns out he kept calling omega sir instead of ma'am

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
We don't know WHY he was suspended retard, the reason idol culture ruined Rushia is because she was an idiot trying to live 2 different lives (like 5 actually but I digress). She deserved it because you reap what you sow, you raise up a bunch of retarded unicorns you best be on your "S" game to never, EVER reveal another man in your real life let alone your virtual one. On top of the shit show of her leaking sensitive info to Korekore.

Vesper's "deeds" haven't fully been explained yet, he won't be terminated or else they would've already anounced his graduation instead of putting him in time out for two weeks, now if he decides to retire on his own that's a whole other can of worms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
They would be angry for two days and then they would forget like a typical Twitter or Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
>Rushia was fired after she had a yab on stream and everyone blamed that.
>Rushia leaked everything she could to a local gossip tuber and as a result everyone disowned her, including her genmates.
That's not what happened, but OK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064885
Nta, but he seems like a total numberfag though. He might actually quit when he sees how much of a sinking ship tempus is

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064531
towa...

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065449
True actually she far fired for the leaking and got disowned by everyone due to the leaking. The stream yab did nothing but have reddit and twitter and some retard anon start attacking boggeymans for no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065634
>sinking ship
Tempus is shitter tier by Holo standards but compared to nearly any indie it’s massive.
Stop living in the /vt/ echo chamber

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065863
She didn't get disowned by everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38066269
>compared to nearly any indie
I don't think this is what Cover uses as its KPI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065634
Nah, in his past life he said he didn't care about views, regulars is what he cares the most about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38066322
Right, there's still braindead worms like you that believe a compulsive liar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065863
If it wasn't for the stream yab, I don't think the leaking would have been found out, or if it was it would not have been found out until a later date

[Anonymous No.]

>>38066395
Cover hasn’t killed JPStars yet and their numbers are just as bad (and often worse) than Tempus.
As for Vesper he is literally the king of trash mountain right now. If he’s a number fat he’d be retarded for quitting because his numbers are better than they ever were for him as an indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064708

Hey guys, we'll never know the real reason, but you have to trust Cover. Buy some stock when they IPO!! Now more shit art and drawings other people have changed the hair color on and declared it some hololive member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065634
if he was a numberfag he would've bitched about his viewership like Vox. I'm glad the old man doesn't use twitter a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064955
Okay man, whatever you wanna say. All I know is he'll be back and I'll be one of those folk to welcome him back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064993
This is the reason he got suspended and I refuse to believe any other explanation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Mori's legendary Mario cart curse,
i wish she collab with the whores and stars more
we are thankful

[Anonymous No.]

Power Trippin Management is what happened I am almost sure of it. Yagoo needs to teach them how to treat game streamers. It is supposed to be about having fun in the end of the day wether it is a company or not, take the fun away and the soul is gone. They are having a lot of trouble with permissions from management, Gura has taken a long break same time too and then posted from her really old twitter for the first time in years. Yagoo better tell management to smarten the fuck up already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
unless they show the reason why he graduated

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Hmmm

[Anonymous No.]

They'll agree with whatever cover comes up to justify it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38072049
Ojisans can do nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064234
>"disrespectful behavior and repeated incidents"
This is company talk for "this man keeps talking back after we tell him stupid shit and now we finally have something slightly big enough to punish him over". Especially in JP, you should never trust anything that is about "respect" is anything more than a nothingburger that we would all laugh about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38069377
Nah, what happened is that Cover was pretty hands-off with the EN management, simply because of the language barrier as a JP company. So EN management moved forward and allowed a bunch of shit to happen, that shouldn't have happened. But numbers don't lie. Especially when those of previously much more successful EN Holos took a nosedive after Tempus (completely overshadowing what Tempus might've gotten over the JP Stars). So they probably just finaly sat down with someone who can speak and read English to figure out what happened, in the process looking at the Tempus group discord and communcation between EN talents and management. And now Vesper is 2 weeks suspended. (It's not a coincidence that they suddenly toned collabs this much again)

[Anonymous No.]

>Two weeks cut off from clarifying to your own audience about this mess with at least a quick community post.
I know this is what a suspension entails but it's a bad look overall. Reputation in question to all staff, fellow talent, etc.. Will he even be allowed to reassure his audience with an explanation? Leaning towards no since he was practically made out to be management's bitch. An example to ensure others would think twice before crossing them. I'd be fucking pissed to be put in this position or if this happened to my oshi. But the moment has passed and there hasn't been pushback for this suspension. Termination is harsher but I still wouldn't expect anything from Reddit or Twitter. It would have to come from within, the other homos and their cocksleeves would have to rally their audiences and lead the charge against this hypothetical situation. But they won't. They don't have any balls or interest in losing their cash cow. The damage would be irreparable so even if they DID succeed, EN would be so over.

[Anonymous No.]

>omega was getting ready for the big show
>as promised, gura's return stream would involve her secretly sitting on vesper's dick, getting bred
>omega was going through the essentials in xir head
>sounding rod, egg vibes, axel's stolen underwear and most important of all: a busty OL outfit with silicone breasts
>like with the other en talents, omega was secretly creeping on them, but with the recent success of gura and vesper, xhe was hopeful to trick axel into pounding xir boiwomb
>xhe just needed some leverage, maybe suspending axel under the guise of nodoka feeling harassed might work
>maybe omega could finally be the little girl, like gura is at this very moment
>the stream begins, an asmr stream for some reason, to gura's standard intro music
>omega probably isnt the only one with a dick in xir hand watching the stream
>despite gura's best attempts at loli breathing and cheeky teasing, there's a rhythmic wet sound that the chumcucks comment on
>gura, quickly picking up on the mood in her chat, giggles like a shy little girl instead of the slut she has become
>"Chaaahaat? I dont know what you're hearing there, but I dont think it's on my end... You can do with it whatever you want, I wont judge...."
>omega's estrogen-addled boiclit was shivering at this, poor chumcucks were probably imagining that gura was touching her cunny
>if only they knew...
>as the stream progressed, gura stopped trying to do actual asmr and just did heavy loli breathing for an hour
>it was surprising how vesper didnt even grunt once, the only thing that would even betray his presence, was the rhythmic wet slapping sound, that was barely audible
>omega was close, imagining xirself as the little girl being ruined by axel, xhe cried out "ah AHHH it doesnt matter what pronouns you call me axel, I'll be your dirty ftm boislut forever!!!"
>the response from his neighbours came swiftly
>"shut the fuck up, you degenerate tranny, some people have jobs"
>it was an almost daily occurence at this point, that only made xir more aroused
>back when xhe... or well he at that point moved in to work for hololive productions, he was just another fan
>he wanted to be closer to and support his idols, but strangely enough he noticed that he was the only male manager
>the longer he worked at the company, the more he noticed changes in himself
>it would seem, that yagoo was making sure, that manager training would include a hefty dose of hormones, leading to the abundance of "female" managers
>even A-chan was once a boy it according to rumors
>he was Sora's boyfriend, before Yagoo snipped his bits
>apparently this was to protect his daughter, but why do the same with other male staff?
>at this point omega's hazy mind was filled with images of axel filling xir needy ass with seed, while the sound of gura's last orgasm rang out, before she closed the stream
>"soon my love, soon..."
unbeknownst to anyone Axel was in a love hotel at that moment, railing Nodoka, but that is a story for a different time

[Anonymous No.]

Regardless of what happened, I honestly can't see Vesper doing something actually bad. It also seemed like the rest of Tempus thought it was bs, Also Astel posted after it happened "Can I play pokemon?" and then a picture of him posting his character with a noibat and the bat emote. So it sounds like even he thinks Vesper was in the right and is on his side.

[Anonymous No.]

As happy as I am that Vesper got his dream of being in Hololive, this kind of shit is why I don't like corpo vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
no one cares about the homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>38076881
>posters: 47

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
who is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38073942
Thanks for writing a sequel king, Omega will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>38072833
This. Probably his manager told him to stop and he tried to explain why what he did wasn't so bad and in Japanese terms this is suspension worthy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064451
>When Oga was suspended Miyabi said his name on stream and the vod got taken down
>Multiple Tempus members joking about Vesper being death and no one gives a shit
And what Oga did was a nothing burger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
watch as nothing will happen and schizos here have another meltdown again

[Anonymous No.]

>>38074214
Bear in mind, though, this is the same man who ditched his job to bike across the country on a whim one day. He seems pretty nice, but there's something in him, some rebellious streak, or maybe he goes into berzerker mode when pushed too far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
So the most likely reasons for Vesper being suspended are.

>Went behind his Managers back and tried to get perms for Xcom himself.
>Ignored management and set up his own Zomboid server
>Hit on, or sexually harassed a member of hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064234
>”Vesper you can’t just let non holos join the server”
>You don’t fucking pay for it monkey nigger”
>used as one of many reasons to be suspended for misconduct
It fits

[Anonymous No.]

>>38073493
EN management, at least for Council, has been awful. They neckcapped Mumei and Sana right out of the gate and while Mumei managed to recover, Sana never did. And Kronii mentioned her original manager ghosted her to the point she felt like an indie, which is code for one of those incompletely run small corpos. And it looks like they are not getting perms for a lot of games as well or perms somehow expire so they only have a window to play them. And this goes beyond the usual games like Pokemon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38066269
>shitter tier by Holo standards
>better numbers than most of StarsJP
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>38066322
>>38066480
Reminder that she said she was still meeting sankisei recently, yet Pekora flat out stated on stream that she had no contact whatsoever with Rushia (and she took the incentive to pick the question that led to that answer as well).
That should be enough for you to question everything Rushia said about other members even if you haven't already done so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38072833
>>38077341
We've never seen a single member being actually suspended because of internal bullshit on any branch, be it HoloJP, ID, EN or StarsJP, and at least 3 out of these 4 had members publicly complaining about management bullshit on their streams, with StarsJP having a member literally crying because management couldn't stop fucking up his projects. And here's the kicker: some of them have been doing it for more than a year. If none of them managed to get punished because of it and the vampire menhera got hit with the full course, something that doesn't happen since October of 2020, then there's literally no way what that he's done was that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077622
Remember that with Vesper, the reason he couldn’t do his 24h XCOM was because he “asked for perms too early” per his own words by whoever in management. What the fuck do you mean too early?
The last time I was told some Bull shit like that was when I waged hospitality and wanted to request vacation days and the monkey management was too lazy to write it down in their books because “it’s too early”

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Cover was vague enough, and Vesper is male enough, for people to assume he did something wrong and if he is terminated then people will assume he deserved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064373
>westerners
>doing anything
Where did you get all of your info, reddit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077835
>vesper
>vampire
>menhera

at least try know about what you are talking about before spreading rrats

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
>and as a result everyone disowned her
Why would Choco's roommate follow her on Twitter if she doxxed her co-workers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077835
To add to this, I find it funny that people think Vesper was suspended just for talking back to his manager.
Reminder that Towa managed to get 2 (two) of her previous managers reassigned. Lamy asked for a change of manager from the original retarded one as well (the one who said they didn't think she'd mesh well with other members when it came to collabs). Several other Holo members openly shat on their managers / the management over some decisions as well without suffering any consequence. Kiara pretty much complains about various shits once a month or two. Cover actually is pretty lax in that matter compared to a normal organization.
If Vesper didn't, intentionally or not, harass someone else, he must have pissed off someone way higher than just his manager or EN managers to get suspended (and the JP Twitter account openly published his suspension as well).

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078132
birds of a feather...

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078248
If you actually watched streams or at least visited /mans/, the assumption always was he pissed off someone from upper management and not his actual manager because Vesper had mentioned in many cases he gets along well with his manager.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078248
Probably a third party, then.
Someone who refused to give perms, Vesper got heated and had an attitude, said attitude gave third party a bad impression of Cover as a whole, and it tanked their reputation.
Something as simple as this can lead to a worse suspension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078402
And how did he do it? What did he say that was able to trigger upper management so hard that they ended up punishing him? Seriously what has he done that literally no other member was able to do in over 5 fucking years?

>>38078489
And why would he have contact with said third party?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078289
Now that is a stretch. Everyone I've heard talk about Choco says that she seems like a really nice girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063805

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078530
>And how did he do it?
By putting on the Burger King crown and calling them all fucking monkeeeeeeeeeeeies for sabotaging his XCOM perms again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077836
>What the fuck do you mean too early?
A lot of their (or at least, EN's) permissions don't last forever. A number of them only lasts a week or a month or so. Some EN members (i.e: IRyS, Bae) have mentioned how they had to ask a week in advance before streaming certain games, and that some permissions only lasted certain amount of time as well.
I don't watch Vesper so I don't know the context of what you are talking about, but it sounds like he might have indeed asked too early and the permission expired (from a quick look through Google, he announced that they got XCOM perm late Sep, and said that they lost that permission mid Oct).

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063805
Didn't Mel's manager just get moved a position? Imagine him bumping into her at HQ... Then dragging her into the broom closet again

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078248
On top of this Japs are so racist that foreigners can quite literally say anything and they will just laugh it off as a foreigner thing. Which is why Mori can get away with anything.
If it was insubordination it would be dealt with behind the scenes. Anything they come out with a public statement means shit that needs a public statement, which means it is bad enough that the harm to reputation by making the statement is less than the potential harm to reputation if people find out what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064993
Checks out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078248
he used to work on TI
their jobs are usually so fundamental they are treated like sacred cows, if a
CEO makes a mistake they can call him an idiot without repercussion

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077510
I don't see the first two being enough for a full public shaming suspension like he got, but the third one would seem like an immediate firing offense especially if the recipient of the advances went so far as to report him.

Male collabs have pretty much stopped at least with EN though so if that continues even after he returns or nobody touches Vesper in the future maybe that really was what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078530
>And why would he have contact with said third party?
It's not that impossible to happen, anon. A hypothetical scenario, for examaple:
>Got XCOM permission around end of September
>Planned to stream it around mid-October
>Comes mid-October, his manager told him that the permission expired and 2K didn't give them new permission.
>Got frustrated and started contacting 2K through their website / customer support to ask / negotiate for permission. When they rejected, he tried again and again to negotiate for it.
>Whoever was in charge of 2K CS got annoyed over time and told Holo management to fucking stop him if they ever want any chance of any permission again
>Cover suspended Vesper

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078848
this as plausible as the threesome with ina and gura rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078955
That threesome happened, but with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078777
Admitting it was sex related would absolutely kill HoloEN and JPStars.
We will know if he gets punishment roomed and quietly leaves in a few months after people stop asking questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079065
vesper stops shitposting and reflect on your sexual behavior towards coworkers

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078530
>why would he have contact with said third party?
When it comes to EN permissions, Cover is beyond useless. There's been a couple of instances where FANS have had to get permissions, because Cover couldn't be bothered getting them for EN. If Vesper was having problems with Cover being fucking useless and dragging their feet because they don't give a shit about EN, he might've decided to take things into his own hands and get permissions himself, and therein lies the disrespect. He was supposed to sit around and wait months for Permissions Guy to get off his fat ass and do his fucking job like everybody else. He didn't, so he got punished for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079113
>sex related
if something like this actually happened some talents would be really pissed but the guys treats as a nothingburger and the girls don't care at all

people underestimate japanese pettiness and mismanagement specially Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079379

>sex related
I dunno, it really depends. People always assume it means rape, but most of the time it just means they made an awkward pass at someone one time or a dude got reported because some insane chick is convinced he's staring at her. It's not always a "big deal" even if it's technically classified as sexual harassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079606
>an awkward pass at someone
that nigga is a proud turbowizard, but I don't expect anyone on this board to actually watch stream, less from a male

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079113
I don't think it would kill the JP Stars since they're not related to this, but that would be a horrible look for HoloEN. Girls who were considering applying for a future gen would think twice about it if there was a chance one of their male coworkers acted like a perv off-stream with them and that would probably force Cover to bring back The Wall at least for StarsEN.

>>38079284
That still doesn't explain why he got the full course punishment when someone like Oga almost made the entire Vtuber sphere lose permissions of a fotm game. And if Cover was that petty multiple members would've been punished in the past for doing shit that pretty much no company would accept like openly shit talking management, so why one type of disrespect is perfectly ok but the other is worth an almost nuclear kind of treatment? Hell, we knew about Rushia leaking shit a DAY after the discord message. Not a few days, not a week, not 2 weeks, and honestly not even a full day since Korekore's stream was less than 24 hours after it. It's insane to think that Cover didn't knew about it on the instant the motherfucker started streaming, so why didn't they issue a suspension at that exact moment since we clearly know that what she's done was a NDA infringement?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079663

I make no claims of having watched Vesper at any time. I'm just opining on corporate bullshit because I fucking hate corporations, honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
Couldnt have been much of a leak if nothing juicy ever actually leaked

[Anonymous No.]

whats with the gigantic shilling operation to make it seem like vespair is based its gotta be him making all these threads and making shit up

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077835
>>38078248
I've seen the same post made by different anons during the last two weeks about a drama that will probably never get a public resolution. It's like the schrödinger's cat Vesper did fuck up and didn't fuck up at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38073942
schizo and jill pilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>38078248
So, what messed up thing did he do then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077341
As someone who works for a JP company. This is accurate. If you talk back to a boss you're ass is getting fired.

They don't allow people to "rock the boat" by disputing things. Accept what your boss tells you and be a good drone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079856
It's fun, so people join.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079856
chumbuds are going all in, spreading this rrat to distract from the fact that management caught Vesper and Gura involved in ERP on discord
Vesper got the public suspension while Gura got the silent one, to not kick a nest with 4 million autistic hornets

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079685
>Oga
The nkdice thing happenned a few days before Coco's graduation so maybe cover didn't wanted more hate towards them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079606
of course people always think about the worst possible scenario especially when they so vague about what happened

again at the end it feels more like a public punishment for act like a american salary man in a japanese company especially for boy and girls reaction (or lack of it) than an aberrant act

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079856
nobody know what the fuck happened we just shitposting about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
i hope pointy man and the rest of the homos graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>38080059
Sure, but if the dev really went with his promise of taking away permissions when all of Nijisanji and other agencies and indies were playing that game almost daily I guarantee you their more schizo fans would want Oga's head. They already wanted his head when that menhera dev started talking about it on twitter, shit would only get worse if it actually happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38079989
Remind me of that time I call my new jp manager a moron and he couldn't fire me because I'm the only IT guy there.

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>>38063893
I still think its weird that cover announced it the way they did unless it was something he did that was public facing in some way

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>>38078777
My ratt is Vesper mistook Kronii's kindness for affection and kept trying to hit on her because any wizard would sacrifice their power if they think they can get pussy. Kronii finally got fed up enough to complain but also requested that he not be harshly punished because she a kind person at heart and blames herself for what happened so instead of being terminated on the spot, he got the public suspension

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>>38080198
You just explained why there wasn't an announcement, because in that case, Oga wasn't suspended for infringing Cover's rules; he got suspended to let the hate die down, and the developer actually helped a bit because he backpedaled like a day after his fit. The same could be applied to the Marine and Miko doujin drama.
Yeah, there hasn't been a suspension since 2020, but that's because there wasn't a reason to suspend anyone. And the suspensions that did happen back then (Aloe, Haato, Towa) turned out to be nothing but burgers, at least to the western eye.

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>>38078402
Wasn't one of his rants "Don't do more work than you can handle, if working 1% harder harms you than stop"? Maybe they were asking him to do something fast and he ended up snapping at them.

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>>38079663
>that nigga is a proud turbowizard
so are a ton of streamers that were then outed as groomers and people who harass females.

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>>38077835
>something that doesn't happen since October of 2020
Do I need to remind you why the talents were suspended in 2020?
>Towa
Male voice
>Aloe
Showed her model
>Coco and Haato
Showed stats

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>>38078248
One of the more believable rrats ive read outside here was that vesper was having a guys talk in the tempus server but some simp who thought he crossed the line ratted him out to the management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
if Vesper gets terminated, we will have officially observed the graduation phenomena of HoloLive, with p=4

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065686
nowa...
why does this keep happening to the holos I really like? Here's hoping he makes a comeback like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
>do you think reddit and twitter
All that matters is what is correct.

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>>38081125
Burden of proof is on you retard.
Funny you guys want to be JP so bad, the shit you say in these forums against the talents would have you in court by now.

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>>38080397
sound kinda plausible but IDk Vesper said co worker relationship will always fail and i don't watch kronii did she come back to depression mode?

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>>38081421
>Burden of proof is on you retard.
just check any of the minecraft streamer drama regarding grooming and harassment. most of the time its from either self proclaimed or probable turbowizards.

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>38081238
thats actually a plausible rrat there are tons of simps who would betray their friends just to get pitty or brownie points from females.

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>>38080901
>there hasn't been a suspension since 2020, but that's because there wasn't a reason to suspend anyone
This. Why anyone /here/ think suspension happen often and Cover simply lie to us ? It doesn't make any sense because the risk is far greater than what it worth. Sure, talent just stop streaming for a time, no drama, but imagine if there's a leak somewhere ? Reputation of the entire ruined. Lying to the audience who feed you isn't a good practice in their culture neither(or any culture for the matter) so why people think they lie ?

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>>38081164
NTA, but he clearly said that
>because of internal bullshit on any branch
there. All cases you mentioned were suspended because of external issues rather than any conflict with the management or other members.

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>>38081492
Not at all she's been doing great lately

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>>38080901
>Haato and Towa
Difference is that those were suspensions disguised as breaks while Vesper is an actual suspension which is very rare in cover.

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>>38080901
Aloe and Haato/Coco's suspension were in no way nothingburgers. In the former's case shit got so bad that it reached her family, and the latter's ended up creating a geopolitical influenced situation that forced Cover to shut down an entire branch, remove themselves from an entire market and lose potential partnerships from said market. Not blaming any of them here, but what happened to them are in no way comparable to Towa's case. Miko and Marine's doujin drama ended in a bloodbath on twitter between fans and antis, but in Oga's situation the public outcry was almost entirely against him with only a small portion calling out the menhera dev, so he was lucky that things died down quite quickly because it would get much worse if out of nowhere some of the biggest names in Niji who were playing that kusoge ended up having to cancel their streams because of another vtuber.

>>38081164
And your point? And all of these cases had controversies related to them. Towa wasn't suspended because of the male voice, the official explanation was that she lied about having Cover staff on voice chat while the male voice was the controversy, Aloe's case was the stream she had almost a year before debut talking about the graduation of a Niji, and I believe I don't need to explain what happened with Coco and Haato. And in all three occurrences the suspension was more Cover's retarded and backwards way to make the heat die down and not an actual punishment, while in Vesper's case other than what Cover said in the official statement we know fuck all about what he did and I doubt Cover would give him this kind of treatment if what he did was a nothingburger.

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>>38081125
I know you are new here election friend, but a 18-26 minecraft streamer is not a wizard

[Anonymous No.]

>>38081733
>but a 18-26 minecraft streamer
jinbop, bashur an sky are 30 anon and they are volcel/wizards.

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>>38081721
> And in all three occurrences the suspension was more Cover's retarded and backwards way to make the heat die down
While I don't really disagree with your general point in the whole point, I'd disagree with this. That was effectively a tried and true method that worked more often than not in many fields, not just entertainment / streaming. Can't say if it's backwards, but it's definitely not retarded.

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>>38081733
And to add just because he says he's a turbowizard doesnt mean he's a turbowizar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082080
Yeah. I'd rather they buy time and possibly let things blow over than rush to do or say something retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082080
That works to handle PR crisis, but this one in particular wasn't one
There wasn't any tab on stream, they actually generated heat by talking about a behind the scenes issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>38081668
so if she treats it like a nothing burger like the rest of tempus maybe .....maybe idk ...maybe it's a nothing fucking burger

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I mean the fact that Cover actually announced that they were suspending Vesper rather than the usual go to which is a break seems to indicate that he fucked up bad but not bad enough to get him fired.
I honestly leaning more in the inappropriate comment rrat than the sexual harassment rrat or the anti manager rrat.

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>>38082377
if it was a nothing burger cover would not have announced his suspension but instead just tell them that he is going on a break like with nene.

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>>38082080
True in a way, but it definitely didn't work out on 2 out of the 3 times they did that. Aloe still graduated because the bullshit reached her family, and the chinks still wanted Coco's head because showing the stats was just a bullshit justification for them to go after her since they already hated her guts for a long time. But in any case those suspension had the obvious goal to help the company save face and help the talent not have to deal with targeted harassment, in Vesper's case it doesn't have any of those characteristics as far as we know and as >>38082297 mentioned the announcement became the controversy by itself, so while it's perfectly possible that Cover didn't saw that coming because them being stupid is a common occurrence, considering how we haven't seen something like that happening since 2020 I severely doubt they didn't expect people to speculate about what he did if it warranted such treatment.

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>>38081492
Potential pussy makes you do retarded things.
Kronii just did a 2 just chatting streams, which she never does. Also she started her most recent stream like this.
https://youtu.be/gDHGZ82p18o?t=194

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082435
>oldfag IT guy
>Cover mismanagement
>japanese being japanese
nothing burger for the talents
a pain in the ass for cover stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082435
that'd be an incredibly retarded thing to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082386
I doubt it's anything caused by an interaction with another Holomember.
I feel like anything that got bad enough for them to go crying to Daddy Cover would be a straight up suspension and anything less would just get laughed off or simply resolved with a stern talking to from the person involved.
Sexual harassment is a meme.
So I think it's either some comment that was a bit out of line, but was seen/heard by staff or it was an argument with management he refused to back down from.

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>>38082582
not really since if it was a nothing burger suspending him and announcing it vaguely would not be the usual mo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082578
maybe she found someone to cure her depression if you know what I mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082648
>So I think it's either some comment that was a bit out of line
thats more of a meme than sexual harassment

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>>38082680
cover is this retard not a big surprise

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082648
>I doubt it's anything caused by an interaction with another Holomember.
Oh no i dont think it was a interaction with another holomember i think it was more along these line >>38081238 where one of his co-workers probably ratted him out to either the talent or management.

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>>38082696
Not following, but what caused Kronii to be depressed was her shitty manager who she finally got rid of for someone who actually responds to her.

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>>38082680
the fuck is your definition of nothingburger? if I was being disrespectful to someone in a position of authority (say, me shittalking a teacher in class at school) I'd get suspended for a few days but that doesn't mean the offense has any sort of weight or relevance to anybody after the fact, and nobody would be like "oh he ummm he's just on a family vacation".

[Anonymous No.]

He is a male he will get #metoo'd

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>>38082753
they are retarded but there is a logic to their retardedness
this being a nothing burger and announcing the suspension is not in their usual retard logic and it indicates something that they cant just sweep under the rug with another stealth suspension like the other times with nothingburgers. the only thing i can think of that will generate more drama if left unsaid is harassment.

[Anonymous No.]

How come they never gave Coco shit for talking back to management and then bragging about it on stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082912
because people liked her

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>>38064113
Don't bring logic into a schizo thread

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>>38082912
they never gave her shit, they simply isolated her as much as they could from the rest of the talents up until she announced graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063805
to be fair, pekora's monkey isn't a coworker

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>>38082835
If it was him being disrespectful to someone in a position of authority or in management then they would probably have done the strealth suspension like what they usually do since its an internal matter and is a nothingburger if it comes to light. now if it was a harassment/inappropriate comment thats a different case since sweeping it under the rug will backfire on them once it sees the light especially if the one that was the target of the comment reveals it.
tldr theres more blowback in hiding a harassment than a management problem.

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>>38082912
Why even act like those claims have any validity?
Just ignore nonsense explanations and focus on what the issue actually will be.

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>>38082996
>Refuses to play Minecraft at the height of holo Minecraft popularity, because she hates Minecraft
>Refuses to get a switch and join all the company collabs that depend on switch games
Coco did it to herself

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>>38083117
also dont forget
>making fun of suicide and showing it on screen which led to cover even more anal about content and permissions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38065449
Fandead really need to kill themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083029
why are you assuming they'd sweep anything under the rug anyway? hiding the fact someone got suspended is a colossally retarded thing to do because everyone else would have to tip toe their way around mentioning it, with a consistent lie that will fall apart eventually, all in hopes of hiding something as fucking inconsequential as "no actually he never went on that 2 week long bike trip he in reality shittalked a manager".

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083215
Try being correct and you wouldn't have to seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>38082578
This skips right to the best part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDHGZ82p18o&t=324s

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077510
Replace that third one with using an overly casual tone with managers that reads as disrespectful in a Japanese business environment, and you've hit all three things that he actually did.

[Anonymous No.]

I heard he was at a McDonalds and whipped his dick out and was pantomiming sticking it in the fryer as a prank but then he slipped and his dick did fall into the burning grease, then when he told management he accidentally put his dick in a McDonald’s fryer and needed time off to recover they thought he was making a disrespectful joke and reprimanded him, but that just made him really mad so he sent pictures of his burned dick to other talents on discord so someone would believe him, then the other talents reported him for sharing grotesque injury pornography on the company discord, so management suspended him for two weeks to reflect on his actions and learn about professionalism, so he got the time he needed for his dick to heal, and if you think about it he got what he wanted in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083265
>why are you assuming they'd sweep anything under the rug anyway?
because thats their usual mo for nothingburgers.

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>>38063638
We got the reason for Rushia's firing. We have no real idea what Vesper did. I think most people just won't care or will assume he did something bad enough to earn it. I personally think if he was getting fired it would have already happened and instead of a 2 week fixed suspension it would be indefinite as a prelude to termination.

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>>38083335
and how do you know this?

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>>38083265
Because as ive said there is more blowback in hiding a harassment suspension than a management related one.

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>>38083364
he lives under the rug. so that he can eat the burgers.

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>>38078611
The reddit mod (a screenshot was posted here so fuck off) of the holo sub said that the perms weren't granted in time, in response to a bunch of people complaining across the sub why he suddenly couldn't play after Vesper announced on twitter he didn't get the perms. Which points to some idiot in the perm department dropped the ball.

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>>38083364
because thats what they do for nothingburgers
see nenes break after the tracing yab
cover rarely announces an actual suspension and they usually do breaks after a yab which makes vespers case even more curious since prior to the announcement there was nothing in his streams or drama that was suspension worthy.
cover announcing it even though it was easier hiding it means that it was anything but a nothingburger.

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>>38083389
if there would be blowback in hiding a harassment suspension but not a management related one that also implies the management related one is irrelevant enough not to be hidden away from the public. not to mention it'd be way more fucking shady to go to such lengths to actively hide something by pretending it never happened as opposed to just not specifying what it is, which can be simply atributed to contractual/confidential shit.

[Anonymous No.]

My guess on what happened is he throw his net out too wide.
He was flirting with one of the girls and it was fine, then he started to flirt with another one of the girls.
He miscalculated how much the girls would be speaking to eachother about it.
First girl got mad. Grassed him up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38081492
I too think coworker relationships would always fail but it wouldn't stop me from trying to fuck Fauna, Kronii, Bae, Ame, Ina, or Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083629
Do you really lack the creativity to come up with something not relating to sex? He'd had been terminated if it was.

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>>38083693
It's not related to sex, they communicate online?

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>>38083561
>if there would be blowback in hiding a harassment suspension but not a management related one that also implies the management related one is irrelevant enough not to be hidden away from the public
Yes because there is gonna be more drama and more of a pr disaster in hiding a harassment suspension than a management suspension if it comes to light.
Just look at how much drama there is on harassement stuff compared to shittalking to management stuff. harassment stuff can lead to the general population hating on you while shit talking management can gain you some sympathy points from the audience.

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>>38083511
so your whole argument is based on a break you have no actual evidence was in reality a stealth suspension? that doesn't even compare because nene fucked up by herself, she didn't directly rile up anyone in a position of authority. same thing with mori after the lean thing, she just embarrassed herself and decided to stay away for some time, she didn't get in trouble directly with internal people, and you cannot convince me she was in fact suspended then too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083693
>can only flirt by talking about sex
wizard much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083748
I mean the fact that nene with plagarism and mori with the lean thing didnt get suspended while vesper got suspended leads me to think that it something big.

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty simple if vesper doesnt acknowledge or just ignores his suspension its proof that he's the one that fucked up. If he does talk about it then its obvious that he was in the right.

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>>38083748
Mori wasn't gone a week, there's no plausible way she was suspended, she just ducked out for a little bit out of embarrassment. She probably *should* have been suspended for that, it's the closest any EN talent came to getting one until Vesper speedran it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083632
You guys gotta stop projecting your fetishes onto these male vtubers.
Most sane men with jobs aren’t looking to rape the nearest woman they see.

Also let’s be honest…the guys can pull better looking chicks than what you people are simping over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083898
He's not gonna talk about it either way. If he tries to throw management under the bus the suspension will be the least of his problems. He'll say "I can't discuss it, let's just move on."

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077812
Why would Choco's RM follow her if she's supposedly hated so much, schizo kun

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I feel that something that may of happened is that Vesper actually requested a public suspension instead of a silent one.
Think about it Vesper had both the 2nd DnD session coming up and his 24 hour Xcom Thanksgiving stream both being big events he hyped up.
Which looks better in your mind
To have it appear like you ghosted your fans and gen-mates right before a big holiday moment with no reason given or a flimsy lie that you then will have to keep up.
Or
Let it be known your getting suspended, have you fans at least know why you aren't streaming and perhaps gain some controversy attention on the side.
If your already fucked, unless you really care about your professional image in a way that would not effect an EN streamer that much the second option seems better in most ways. And fuck this board has basically had a daily thread dedicated to vesper ever since, this is the most solo attention he has ever gotten.
All of this assuming he comes back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084006
i mean shitting on management is allowed in holo since multiple people have done it so he should be able to talk about it if thats the case.

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>>38083740
the only thing that would confirm your harassment theory would be that from now on he would be completely distanced from anyone in holopro besides tempus, either by choice or as ordered by management, because he'd actively be dangerous to other talents. this falls apart when every single chuuba who's mentioned vesper go on and on about how reliable he is, meanwhile there's mountains of moments where vesper has mentioned butting heads with management and saying things like "should I say this? ah fuck it".
just to be fair, i'm not -entirely- discarding the possibility, but a 2 week suspension and his coworkers actively making fun of him for it do not scream "talent harassment" at all, the way i see it.
>>38083808
so wait, was nene actually suspended or not according to you? you're contradicting yourself, unless you mean publicly. regardless the fact stays that, as I mentioned, they both just fucked up by themselves, not with their superiors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083789
I'm an actual deadbeat dad

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084082
Im saying that nene got stealth suspended and you are saying that she wasnt which both of us can neither prove or disprove. But if Nene wasnt suspended due to plagarism as you said then Vesper getting suspened is anything but a nothing burger

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
holy shit tell me you photoshopped his face and this isn't the real model, that's fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084074
If he literally got suspended for poor interaction with management do you think anyone would be ok with him coming out and saying "yeah management sucks that's why I got suspended"? Use your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

I will lose respect for him if he just comes back and starts streaming again. He should just dip and go indie. Fuck getting a public suspension for 2 weeks over some fucking nothingburger japshit by a powertripping nip

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083988
Who said anything about rape? Coworker flirting and casual sex happens all the time. There’s also no way these guys weren’t partially driven to become anime boys to get close to the girls. That’s not projection, that’s just what guys do. Driven by the little head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084082
Depends on the type of harassment if it was direct harassment then expect minimal to no interaction with the females now if it was a guy talk harassment which got leaked that would be a different story and would also explain why interactions between the males and the females suddenly went down a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084060
Mom got sick, I got sick, cat died, dog died, computer broke, my house is haunted, guy broke into my room while I was streaming, just disappear for 2 weeks and don't say shit about it, anything is better than "got suspended".

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084211
>yeah management sucks that's why I got suspended
that would be retarded but saying or hinting that he got suspended because he disagreed with management would be better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084293
Anything is literally better than got suspended for vague reason because it forms tons of rrats even outside here while the latter only forms rrats here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084196
that only works if you believe nene's plagiarism yab wasn't a nothingburger too, which it was because nobody gives a fuck. now try your luck angering your superiors, nobody would give a fuck either but they would and they are in position to disclose it. besides, knowing vesper I'd guess he'd rather let his fanbase know what his real reason for being absent was instead of saying something ridiculous like family trip or burnout. there's simply nothing that points to harassment when taking everything into account.
now watch me getting BTFO years from now, but as it currently is I'm not convinced at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084456
I mean if we follow your belief of nene not getting suspended then the plagarism yab is a nothing burger compared to whatever vesper did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084082
>was nene actually suspended or not according to you
Nene came back with an apology stream, just like Miko/Marine and Oga. You don't suddenly enter a hiatus and come back with an apology stream and not just "sorry I wasn't able to stream during this past week".

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084543
I mean, didn't Kronii do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084293
>>38084426
Ok but this is Vesper were talking about. The man cannot keep kayfabe for the life of him while also blabbing all about insider baseball topics. I don;t expect him to be able to keep in a lie forever, its against his nature.
So if you know you can;t lie for shit which looks better Just being upfront about it or getting caught out having lied about the whole thing later when you inevitably slip up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084590
kronii did a 180 doubled down on the collabs
the others never did a 180 on their apology streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084590
No. Neither Kronii nor Mori came back after with an apology stream after their yabs. Kronii even had the HoloProEN twitter backing her up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084590
Kronii didn't do anything it is just her own mental problems that cause her to periodically stop streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084529
Shittalking management is more severe than tracing art, but I don't think either of them cross the "now it's no longer a nothingburger" threshold. I'm inclined to agree that a two-week ban is not really an appropiate punishment for actual in-work harassing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084629
>The man cannot keep kayfabe for the life of him
Thats unironically his kayfabe anon the same kayfabe as notvesper. thats part of his "brotuber" kayfabe.

[Anonymous No.]

The fuck are you on about? He said something offensive because he's an autistic boomer that doesn't understand you can't use the same internet lingo you did ten years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084695
>Shittalking management is more severe than tracing art
Not for cover after how copyright and not having perms fucked them in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084719
Him being gossipy about insider topics is just a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638

Obviously this is all Cover trying to either get him to quit or build a case for firing that won't cause much outrage. He's annoying and they want him to leave. We've all seen his streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077812
Are you deliberately ignoring the part afterwards where Pekora says that she doesn't have any of the Holomen on LINE and that her only point of contact with them is Discord? Not exactly the best person to use as a reference
Now if the other 3 Sankisei members say similar things, you might have a point, but that seems extremely unlikely

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084695
>selling something that they do not own is a nothing burger compared to shittalking your manager
You do know that the illustrator could have royally fucked Cover if she wanted to right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084819
Have we?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084695
>copyright/ip infringement
thats a big no no in nip land especially with their laws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084922
Nta but Yes before it got too annoying and i stopped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084991
His jap learning streams are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38085023
never got that far i stopped after the monetization stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38084869
They're lucky Nene has a close friendship with the artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38085193
That's almost certainly the reason Nene thought it was ok to trace in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38077812
She said she kept in contact and was meeting members of gen 3.
If she contacted one and met another, it's still true.
People are really bad at interpreting what people say for whatever reason.
If I was to say "I watch the World Cup" why would you try and assume how many games I watch, when I didn't say so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38081328
Now I want him to graduate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Heard he raped Gura while screaming out loud saying: GURA SENPAI SHH IT'S OK YOU GOTTA CALM DOWN IT'S JUST A BIT I'LL BE DONE SOON I PROMISE IT'S ALL FOR THE BIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>38085336
Honestly, I don't even fully remember if she even said that she actually met up with them.
The only source this guy gave was a 4 month old catalog post, which could just be that anon being misinformed.
Anyways, this is almost certainly one of our regular schizos, so I'm not too concerned. He's busy trying to keep the other 3 bait threads up.

[Anonymous No.]

From what I understand he has sent unsolicited dick pics to three different HoloEN talents. Two of them were weirded out but didn't say anything to management but the third got seriously pissed and told everyone about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
>People ST ILL bringing up XCom
Fauna has literally played CIV and Bioshock after and it's the same fucking publishers. The issue is he didn't ask for permissions properly, as you have to give them a week in advance notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063638
Reddit, nux taku and some other faggots will be mad but it's a homostar in the end of the day, I doubt wider fanbase care that much especially since there was no "unicorn" mob pushing for his removal. Most redditors are corporate bootlikers in the end of the day and most fans would understand it had to be serious enough because it's the first suspension in 2 fucking years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38085560
It's all just a bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>38063893
>But it cannot be severe, because other holos still follow his RM twitter.

KEK

Cope harder sister nobody unfollowed Rushia after termination

https://twitter.com/uruharushia/followers_you_follow

[Anonymous No.]

>>38081492
Vesper also said that streamer shouldn't rely on collabs right before jumping on holo collab train (and doing more of them then others bar his boylover magni). This dude is full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083320
Nah more like using "casual tone" i.e. indie Vtuber/niji tier coomer jokes with holos, that shit wouldn't sit well with any holo EN member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38064346
stop making him based faggot his best friends with a guy that posts his dildos on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>38088542
can you read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38072833
>>38077341

Nothing about this sounds company/manager related, there is no mention of "insubordination", contract or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38083272
try not bring in de ial and maybe the cope will subside

[Anonymous No.]

>>38088818
None of the Holo RMs who had been following Mikeneko's Twitter unfollowed her after the termination, either. Mike herself slowly began to unfollow them all herself to distance herself a bit from Cover.
It looks like she's starting to recover from that, though. She was interacting publicly with Norio on her Nazuna account a few days ago and she's just recently started following Choco Sensei's RM (who followed her back a few hours later)

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>>38063893
>fucking double nigger
wait did he actually say this?

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>>38089037
yes, he's doctor robotnik irl

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>>38088637
well IIRC he just put 2 holoEN collabs on his schedule and only boomer vs zoomer stream was on his channel
the others time he never anauncend the collab nor streamed his POV and the mostly of his large collabs he always looks like they draggged him to it.

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>>38088637
He never meant that you shouldn't collab

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>>38083272
My headcannon will always be what happened instead of your headcannon. Just accept it.

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>>38077812
She didn't say she was meeting ALL of them. Could be Noel or Marine. Pekora is already a neet so it makes sense.

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>>38083988
Bae is kinda smokin though

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Vesper panicked and shut off SCs during a stream. As a result, management banned him from shutting off SCs for 6 months after which, they would review his case. Vesper then proceeded to turn off SCs during his member streams "until management finds out". I'm confident this happened, but either way, try looking at reality for rrats.

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>>38081238
>>38082776
lol what if he jokingly called mag a fag and some other holo talent he has never even spoken to reported it.

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>>38078489
Stop making fanfiction, what about "made others uncomfortable through repeated words and actions" sounds like a game permission issue to you? Holy fuck this cope.

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>>38082578
>>38083311
lol she wanted to talk to the manager

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>>38089864
add that to the list of insubordinations

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>>38089864
Why does he shut them down to begin with?

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>>38090941
Yeah, game permissions and Zomboid server rrats seem pretty weak since they said it was an on-going issue.

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They're never going to let in another ojisan because of him and his actions

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>>38090733
I choose to believe this rrat and I blame Kiara for it
I refuse to take my meds

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>>38091372
Magni is closing in on Ojisan age, Roberu is now an Ojisan
And then Holo has a bunch of hags just as old as Roberu to Vesper's age.

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>>38081696
No reason to think "disguised suspension" is a thing, it's mostly just EOPs rrating about "idol company" trying to suspend their members all of the time because le evil "idol culture". If they really did that every time talent takes a break fans would get angry.

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>>38087757
I bet it was Kiara.

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>>38091238
https://holodex.net/watch/vnZC0_b2L78
They kept coming in while he was trying to end the stream. He later said they banned him from turning off SCs and would reconsider after 6 months which seems a little petty. He also mentioned they told him he needed a justifiable reason to shut them off like...trying to catch up on reading SCs.

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>>38084651
>Both replying to antis and generating drama
They deserved a suspension tho

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>>38082080
It was retarded in the eyes of twitter/reddit EOPs i.e. not their target audience, Western fans wanted Cover to be combative and say go "improve yourself" to the angry unicorns or whatever, now that's retarded.

>>38082506
The most obvious answer is that they had to punish him to make things right for other members whatever issues they had (doesn't have to be sexual but it might be) but his fans would rather consider every other option because they don't want to hate him, it's understandable I guess but fans of the girls have pretty solid reasons to be worried.

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>>38081328
Vesper should graduate for the lulz and re-debut in StarsEN2

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>>38091238
fans were complaining about his zatsus being turned into SC reading streams and I guess his idea was turning off SC's entirely for members only

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>>38092173
what if he graduates for the lulz and he re debutes as a NijiCN?

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>>38077700
Stars JP are on life support, they have pretty stable lifeline from female gachis, something that tempus didn't bother to cultivate so far and will probably bite them in the ass at some point.

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>>38092336
I wouldn't even be mad tbqh

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>>38067655
numberfagging is on a spectrum and he does try with this short clips and shit (of course collabs with girls do the best) I wouldn't be surprised if he got himself suspended for collab begging.

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>>38092393
Pretty sure it's already bitting them. their sub grow have stopped, their viewership are declining fast. And it's still quite soon. Also you barely see anything about them anymore if you don't actively seek it or you don't interact with dramafag. An exemple is that you barely see anything about them anymore on reddit. Most of the girl don't mention them anymore even those who collabed with them. You don't even see people try to mention them in their chat.

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>>38066706
Vesper might seriously think about switching sides to niji EN. Tempiss will never be fully accepted by hololive fanbase, most of the members will ignore them.
Stars are in a weird situation with very limited prospects for growth after their first month (stagnating subs, CCV going down for all of them) so it would actually make sense.

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>>38092913
NijiEN wouldn't hire him. Their management is OK with SEAnigger schizos (Luca), British pedophiles (Vox), and Twitch woketards (Kyo), but is obsessed with avoiding inter-corp conflict because that might actually hurt sponsorships. Vesper leaving Cover in a shitstorm would honestly blacklist him from other corps.

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Look, I don't give a single fuck to Tempus but it will be PR suicide for cover to terminated another member for no clear reason compared to Rushia ones which had clear evidence (she leaked company information to Dramatubbers)

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>>38093143
Even with clear reason ("bro she fucking leaked internal data to a dramatuber what do you want") people still defend Rushia and think Cover was punishing her for having a boyfriend or something. Even though they didn't.
Retards will concoct whatever narrative they want and believe only that, to the exclusion of all reason.

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>>38080120
But the shitposts make this homo look based for fighting management and acting like a 4channer when we know he hangs out with LGBTQ+ crowd, it's like somebody really wants /here/ to like this faggot.

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>>38093143
>for no clear reason
see >>38081328

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>>38093143
Even in Rushia's case, it looked far more like it was just communication with her manager considering she claimed that the information was not related to the company nor management nor trade secrets, and was not information related to any of the members.
Obviously Cover's statement was deliberately as vague as possible in order to allow people to speculate that she had done worse things, because that's just how a company works.
If they need to get rid of Vesper, you can guarantee the statement that they release will be very good to themselves and will succeed in turning the average person against him

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>>38089163
but his collabs ended up killing tempus or at least the attitude towards the homos, it used to be way more possitive before Kronii saga and that faggot couldn't just stop.

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>>38093609
>before Kronii saga
It was really Kronii being a turbo thot that made things awkward

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>>38093143

Don't forget that Rushia, the queen of GFE, was sabotaged by the management during Valentine's Day.

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>>38081328
>I have to graduate, that's the bit.

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The thing with Vesper, is somehow the cause for the 2 week suspension is probably the greatest kept secret in holo pro since the voice of Omega.
If he is to be terminated or graduated, they would need to give a reason, or clearly something indirect could possibly occur A leak from a source which catches wind to be true, an earth shattering outcry from another holopro member, or that burger king crown
You cannot say he got too close to the girls just yet, even if he collabed with the majority of ID, and 4/7 of EN.

Sure, he won golf against the reaper's apprentice .
He got spooked to no end by Time Karen.
Zoomer Rat made him question the future generations and his hope in them.
He lost Round 1 in worms, just to spite Time.
Mario Partied and hated it, once again needing to get clear that he didn't like time.
Unannouced gameshow with all of tempus, who none won Because Time skinwalked the Gladiator
Time had an asmr which was very sublimital some short time after the announcement of suspension, which I REALLY wonder if she may have done / regret it.
As of now, there really isn't a solid case for his graduation, unless he chooses, or The one most likely to betray the guild has the dirt on him

This is a reasonable outlook without much evidence, but really, nothing to worry, until there is to.

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>>38084651
Mori apologised on twitter before her break

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>>38093761
Gotta love his commitment to the bit

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>>38093420
>>38093486
This proves my point, Rushia termination regardless of clear indication of Her fault still gave cover a PR damage and Vesper probably will be pardoned at the end to prevent any PR blows, unless cover wants to kill their EN branch.

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>>38084950
Not only in nipland, Western "artist" twitter also shitted on nenechi it was probably the first yab when they were so united.

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>>38093999
>still gave cover a PR damage
Did it? Most people seemed fine with it? Hell, it was one of the biggest causes for antis to attack her because they were able to get away with accusing her of doing far worse shit than she actually did.
Even a lot of her fans didn't show much animosity towards Cover, because they kept their statement so vague that it was difficult to argue against until she actually provided some clarification 4 months later, at which point most people had lost interest

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nobody knows what happened but if he gets terminated it will be hilarious

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>>38090733
you know the "guys talk" would be likely about holos (all branches) and fucking them, perhaps even bringing up their dox not calling each other fags kek stop making them look based.

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>>38082810
Kronii was depressed long before hololive even existed

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>>38092751
You don't hear about them because they stopped trying, especially after Vesper's suspension. The faggots have completely given up and now they just play shit games and act gay on stream for sub 1k viewers. As someone who unironically enjoyed the first couple of months of tempiss I have no idea how they got so bad so fast.

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>>38094499
Both can be true at the same time

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He beat the shit put of rpr for touching his oshii at twitchcon

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I choose to believe the argued-with-management rrat. Japs are fucking bootlicking faggot cucks and expect you to do as you're told at all times no matter what. I hope he exposes them publicly.

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>>38094736
If he's comeback stream ends up being a rant of Cover shitty management and japanese work culture I'll kneel until my knees bleed

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>>38083353
They don't want to terminate Vesper's ass no matter how much of an asshole he was behind the scenes but with this attitude he actually might either leave on his own (like Aloe) or they ask him to leave (like Kaoru), he might also do something stupid enough to get himself terminated who knows but it's the last option. It seems that whatever he did there were multiple warnings before so they forced him to listen this time, if it's not enough and he keeps doing this shit it leaves no other choice then even longer suspencion or they might just terminate him it depends from his attitude and how the victims feel about it.

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>>38084060
"silent suspension" is a rrat, we have no evidence that Cover does something like that and in fact there are good reasons to think they wouldn't.

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>>38094736
Are the streamers even that much in contact with jap management?
>>38095097
It's been a long time since we saw a talent really going rogue, this happening to hololive might be the best kino since years.

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>>38084349
I can see him doing that... and getting suspended even more for lying just like Towa

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The blue faggot just said on stream that Vesper probably won't come back as soon as the suspension is over lmao, it's unironically over for tempiss