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3758877 No.3758877 [Reply] [Original]

I liked the their song a lot, and the two girls seem pleasant enough, but isn't it a little too... idol-like? An original song before debut? No male chuubas? I thought you guys said Nijis had more creative freedom. Why does it seem like they're just copying the Hololive formula when it came to EN?

>> No.3758910

>>3758877
I'm not sure I would need to see all of their debuts first...

>> No.3758964

Might as well. Its not as if Holo didn’t try to copy before. Usually the thing about copying is that it eventually moves to a path where they can make it something of their own. The more important thing is how they will try to grow and build and improve on their own.

>> No.3758965

>>3758877
>Hololive successful
>Copying Hololive

>> No.3759025

>>3758877
I felt that way too
I'm usually just watching Holo's so i was excited to see what would be different but if those three showed up as ID3 or something like that they would fit right in

>> No.3759029

This board would've lost their minds if they had a male or anything "yab". They're sticking with the safe approach for now and later when they've secured their audience (Nijisanji unityfags, if you will) then they'll go balls to the wall.

>> No.3759130

As someone who mostly watch Holo but don’t mind Niji?
These girls just seem the typical “uwu me so cute” streamers to me.
HoloEN’s debuts, especially Gua and Mori and Ame’s, were more unique and caught lots of people off guard.

>> No.3759155

>>3759029
You’re retarded. One of Niji’s selling point was male chuubas. If they had a male chuuba and he was hitting the same numbers as the girls did it would have caused a storm, even if small. It would have been the thing to help EN stand out but instead we’ll just getting another trove of chuuba being shoveled in and will be overshadowed and forgotten once the next generic EN group of chuubas debut, which will probably be a week or 2 from now.

>> No.3759183

2434 is obviously leeching a bit off HoloMyth, however all 3 girls seem above average so far. They made the right decision. Most of the rest of the Niji crew are quite boring and they need a good start in EN to start building hype.

>> No.3759312

Wasn't Niji just a Plan B for the roomates because they couldn't get into Holo? I bet the girls used to watch Hololive (you know, the popular one in the west) so it's their point of reference.
For the male chuubas, I think Niji staff just wanted to debut the girls as an unit, so males will probably get their own group debut later.

>> No.3759321

>>3759183
>3 are above average
>1 missed their scheduled debut
lol
Eh, I'll give them a month to impress me.

>> No.3759390

>>3759312
Elf was a niji fan, Dragon gonna be in for a rude awakening with her goal progress of being friends with everyone in Nijisanji.
Fish was the one who failed to get into Hololive. Publicly stated that Nijisanjinwas her backup

>> No.3759415

>>3759130
>HoloEN's debuts
>especially Ame's
I mean it did catch people off guard, yes, but for the completely wrong reasons. Kind of amazing actually that the girl with by far the worst debut would end up being the most creative and innovative of the bunch later on.
Also rude not mentioning Ina surprising people with her art and shockingly great taste.

>> No.3759436

>>3759029
Dude literally one of the cohosts of the show they were on was a male. You didn’t even watch the stream.

>> No.3759437

>>3759029
>This board would've lost their minds if they had a male or anything "yab".
This board literally influenced their decisions?
By that logic, Twitter puritans influenced their design decisions. That's why the avatars were bland and safe. and not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNMbuyIQSRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9sAmykgNVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5sCyH89UAI

>> No.3759438
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>> No.3759507

>>3759029
Yes. They did it so /vt/ wouldn't be upset.

>> No.3759641

>>3758877
Pomu literally said she's not an idol in her debut stream.

>> No.3759701

Is it weird to say that NijiEN looks like Hololive type vtubers and HoloEN looks like Nijisanji type vtubers?

>> No.3759738

Have you ever actually watched Nijisanji? Their streams are even lower effort than Hololive

>> No.3759780

>>3759155
To be fair you're literally going to look for a needle in a haystack to find a good or even passable western male anime streamer.

>> No.3759786

>>3758877
Some of them like singing.

Dragon sang "Lemon" 100 times in a row, I definitely think she does

>> No.3759852

>>3759312
Dragon did a funny application video for HoloEN way back when "Time for this Nova to go SuperNova" iirc, & went on to debut. But like, definitely definitely watched a ton of Nijisanji too.

>> No.3759880

>>3758877
NijiEN chose a very very safe approach, which mean they're stuck to be discount Holo
They had a chance to do something different, break the rules, but instead went ultra generic.
Alt least Pomu is a good streamer, but everything else is boring at best.

>> No.3759946

>>3759029
Board "losing their mind" would have been a good sign, at least NijiEN would have some things that make them stuck in people's mind.
With this bland and generic approach they're just forgettable just like Tsunderia was (Slugma aside, and precisely because she's very unorthodox).

>> No.3759983

>>3759130
Ame was nothing more than those Niji girls. Same cringe twitch zoomer humor, terrible debut. Only saved by design. No talent or special characteristic, didn't even fit anything related to her character. I agree for the rest tho.

>> No.3759985

>>3759155
what a bunch of shitters, what kind of humans watches these shitters one has to wonder

>> No.3760000 [DELETED] 

>>3759946
Isn't Tsunderia like dead too?

>> No.3760034 [DELETED] 

>>3759983
Yeah, but she makes this board gosling harder than some nips, they actually get a GFE autist idol for their fantasies, shart mermaid on the other hand...

>> No.3760042

>>3760000
Not quite but close. They lost their biggest talent by far, one tsunderia left, another is constantly in hiatus for mental health, the others have low numbers.

>> No.3760125

>>3759641
She can say it all she likes, doesn't change the fact they set the gen up to be very idol like.

>> No.3760152

>>3759436
>>3760125
Why are you ignoring my post? literally one of the cohosts of the show they were on was a male

>> No.3760240
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Elira was making good money for debut day

>> No.3760252

>>3760152
Who gives a shit about the emcee? Do people get upset thinking their favorite seiyuu is getting rammed by Mafia after she talks to him during a marketing stream?

>> No.3760264

>>3760152
Why are you ignoring the OP? To be idol like doesn't mean it 100%. Not being Japanese already has them outside of that system. It is however, being treated like an idol debut. Whether the girls go with it or not Niji is trying to sell them to EOPs like Cover sold HoloMyth instead of being different, which OP and other were hoping for.

>> No.3760277

>>3758877
No male is good. Nothing wrong about being idol-like. And they need to imitate Holo because it's the only strategy that works. The holofags are gonna cancel them so hard that Ichikara will fire them to save the company if they're as chaotic as noraneko or Gwelu.

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>>3760240
>Artemis
Tranny just cant help leeching

>> No.3760299

>>3760240
>trannymis

>> No.3760306

>>3760240
Leech Shark once again throwing around money to try and buy popularity and attention.

>> No.3760318

>>3760240
A bunch of old friends, 1 or 2 old mods, etc.

>> No.3760366

>>3760252
uh yes do you see how people reacted to the Mori Rikka collab. And Holo ID literally just tweeting they're playing with some guy.

>> No.3760386
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>>3759130
I'd say give it all time, Watsons voice annoyed the hell out of me during her debute because it sounded like she was trying to sound overly cute and what not. It wasnt until after the shitshow of debutes that we found out that she was working heavily behind the scenes trying to keep everything going. I dont expect much from these three Nijis but i didnt expect anything from Holo EN either, just give it some time and if its shit then ignore it.

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Pomu's streamlabs

>> No.3760444

>>3760386
Do you have the cap of Ame asking /vt/ for advice on what to do afterwards?

>> No.3760458

>>3760444
I do not.

>> No.3760472

>>3760432
Jesas, how much money does shart have to attentionwhore with. He was the 2nd biggest donator on the dragon's stream too.

>> No.3760498

>>3760432
Imagine donating $150 but not paying to watch a concert

Kiara was truly a good chicken when she denounced the shart

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>>3760444
>>3760458
It's okay, I found it.

>> No.3760543

>>3760432
More old friends

>> No.3760554

>>3760366
Sorry, I assumed that people would understand there to be a difference between being promoted by a guy on a different stream and having to work together with a guy off stream but your dumb ass just proved me wrong.

>> No.3760558

>Is NijiEN going in the right direction?
They should've listened instead of fight obvious antis
- they could've learned from the mistakes made by the other agencies
- they could have sniped the talent mentioned in the HoloEN2 speculation threads
- they could've hired artists mentioned in the design wishlist threads
- they could've kept up with the current scene and took note of things that were overdone
- they could've relied on viral marketing instead of paying over 100k for ads

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>>3760306
I thought he was one of the most succesful indies

>> No.3760624

>>3760558
none of that matters here though, this IS HOLOLIVE TOWN BITCHES SHOULD JUST GTFO

>> No.3760642

>>3758877
It's not possible for you to think that they're attempting to be idols. I refuse to believe you think that.

>> No.3760668

no Debut BGM

>> No.3760669

>>3760533
Gets me every time. lol

>> No.3760735

>>3760558
>they could have sniped the talent mentioned in the HoloEN2 speculation threads
This wouldn't end well because even if they snipe heavy hitters in the meme industry like kyoresu and nyanners, it wouldn't worked out that well because they value individual talents and group harmony in a gen. That's why EN 1 worked too well. Kiara got in idk but she's a bridge between JP and EN, can sing, be an idol and an opening for the EU side

>> No.3760891

>>3760735
>That's why EN 1 worked too well
I agree with the rest of your comment but that's a bit of a stretch. They're still so awkward in group collabs even now. Meanwhile Hana and the new girls were chatting in the last section of the debut way more naturally, it's like they were already good friends.

>> No.3761179

NijiJP needs to be more involved in the growth of NijiEN, especially if they can speak English. If 2434 wants to be more than after thought to Hololive or an accessory to Vshojo, they need to start by cultivating an actual fanbase.

The "idol-like" stuff is the wrong thing to focus on since all it does is set a quality bar (have a talent, be entertaining) to a certain level. It doesn't matter that there's female only groups or male only groups or mixed gender groups because Nijisanji has no brand recognition west of Indonesia. If giving an idol like experience improves the chances of getting a foothold on the west, then that's the path to take.

That's what I would consoder as a manager-san.

>> No.3761187

>>3760498
comparing to buying actual ads, this is so much cheaper

>> No.3761188

>>3758877
>that fart
>idol-like
?????

>> No.3761201

>>3761179
>>3759183
what the fuck is 2434

>> No.3761237

>>3761201
How fucking new?

>> No.3761259

>>3760240
welp that basically confirmed it kek

>> No.3761293

>>3761201
No need to Gatekeep an eop or newfag.
Ni, ji, san, ji = 2434

>> No.3761313

>>3760240
Which one of you fuck's donated to Shartemis?

>> No.3761379

>>3761313
What are you even on about? Those images are showing Astroturfemis' donations to the Nijichuubas?

>> No.3761398

>>3761179
To me it looks like they're trying to find a middle ground between Hololive's idolfaggotry and VShojo's degeneracy

>> No.3761412

>>3760432
Based fuck giving Susan 30 percent like Hololive does

>> No.3761427

>>3761379
Oh I'm retarded.

>> No.3761435

New rrat: if one was making 1k to 5k average views as an indie, is it possible to get lower average views due to having to rebuild their identity despite of having backed by companies (like niji, holo, prism, vox,...) ?

>> No.3761437

>>3760240
>CLERO
god, i hope he fucks off from Mori's streams.

>> No.3761458

>>3759983
She have very good memory, it suits the detective!

>> No.3761480

>>3760318
I wonder if old mods willing to join once again or it's too risky to reveal the past identity?

>> No.3761516

>>3760240
Someone post loserbait's tweet

>> No.3761530

>>3760240
>tranny shark pirates stream
>fucking leech
>tranny shark donates
>fucking leech
I don't get /vt/

>> No.3761595

>>3761530
The logic is perfectly consistent anon. The shark is willing to drop hundreds of dollars to show support when it gets her clout but refuses to drop fifty bucks when there's nothing to gain.

>> No.3761597

>>3761435
It's possible, but the company would have to be nerfing them very hard for that to happen. Most viewers stick around because of a streamers personality/charisma, and content. So those attributes should at least carry over when they join an agency.

>> No.3761598

>>3761530
>not buying a ticket
leeching money (would not gain her views)
>superchatting
investing money to leech attention and take some viewers with it

how is that hard to understand?

>> No.3761633

>>3761595
>her

>> No.3761637

>>3758877
>original song
>copying the Hololive formula
???

>> No.3761648

>>3760432
>FoxyJoel, ichikamaia
yep that's confirmed

>> No.3761654

>>3761530
Shartemis is a leech because all the actions taken are taken with personal benefit in mind. It's not like with Matsuri and Hoshikawa, where Matsuri is pretty much a basket case obsessed with the latter. Trannyshark is just a clout chasing, self-serving leech.

>> No.3761684

>>3761633
I swear that her posting is just a way to distract people from all the much worse qualities Shark has and reframe how she represents all the worst parts of the western indie scene as transphobia.

>> No.3761728

>>3761435
That seems to be the case for most Holostars. At least that's what I've heard.

>> No.3761743

>>3761435
What do you think rrat means

>> No.3761775

>>3761435
Rather than the viewer count what I want to know is what it takes for their income to pan out. Presumably the companies give them a salary but they must take a cut, and I think people are generally a lot more generous with indies they watch. I've seen much smaller vtubers come out with bigger streamlab chunks on debut than the girls made today.

>> No.3761803

>>3761684
Present them to the class anon. I am honestly tired with >her posting. Need some variety in my shitposting.

>> No.3761818

>>3761775
I've seen some whales on an indie stream that donate like $1000 despite of having only ~100 views. Yeah generosity plays a big role here.

>> No.3761822

>>3761435
Depends on the loyalty of your viewer

>> No.3761842

>>3760642
>>3761179
Where the fuck are you all seeing them as idols? It's not because they sing that they are idols.

>> No.3761853

After years of Hololive copying them they decided to copy Hololive for a change. I think they should've gone the complete opposite direction and had some guys with a pro gamer angle, I think Kuzuha has been doing pretty well in the west iirc? They're a bit late regardless since HoloEN has been losing steam for a while now, still big but not as big as it was at the start.

>> No.3761855

>>3760386
Amelia really is an exception & that kind of improvement is like being hit by a lightning strike, twice in the same day.
But I hope they can still improving steadily, even Korone had a pretty bad debut & look at her now.

>> No.3761895

>>3760386
I don't know anything about fish but fairy and dragon were massively nerfed from their independent streaming. At the very least I'm confident they'll recover to be as good as they were before.
The old one week rule always applies. There's always an adjustment period where they have to get comfortable in their position and identities.

>> No.3761926

>>3761822
Is viewers' loyalty even meaningful if one wasn't supposed to know their true identity behind them?

>> No.3761949

>>3761412
Based indeed, Giving 200K to susan just for ads

>> No.3762004

>>3761853
Ichikara has been releasing their vtubers in small units since last year, so there's a chance they already have a male only group prepared for the next months. I guess that makes sense since if they go the 2 girls + 1 dude route it might get a bit lonely for the guy?

>> No.3762033

>>3762004
Yeah where the fuck is the JP wave for this year? Is Ichikara already satisfied with their number in there?

>> No.3762047

>>3758877
PR NijiEN on this board is a mistake. /vt/ haven't forget what Nijifag took from them

>> No.3762057

>>3761842
i don't see them as idols, I never even implied that I see them as idols. I simply said that the OP is focus8ng on the wrong things that could be improved. How they organize themselves is largely irrelevant.

>> No.3762075

>>3761684
>theres stuff worse than him trying to bring tranny cancer into the Vtuber community
Dont think so, stop pretending men are women and maybe you'll see less "her posting"

>> No.3762081

>>3759701
Not really.

>> No.3762095

>>3762033
I guess they slowed down on the JP debuts because they were becoming known as the company that spammed vtubers, so instead of adding new livers to their already massive JP branch they decided to focus on expanding foreign branches for a while while also letting existing JP talents shine more. They'll surely debut new JPs sometime this year, it's just not the priority anymore.

>> No.3762172

>>3761895
I mean, Watson was heavily nerfed from her roommate and i still think she's doing really well. A new start also gives them a chance to try something they were otherwise unable to do simply because they were stuck in a certain role after a while.

>> No.3762219

>>3760891
Because they were.

>> No.3762228

>>3762033
Delutaya will be in next wave. Stay tune. :^)

>> No.3762284

>>3762095
They should debut Yudrick

>> No.3762458

>>3762228
She's not suicidal anymore. I hope

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>>3758877
At first /vt/ says they are too Western and random and now they are too idol-like?
I do not know what to believe anymore.

>> No.3769762

Don't judge any chuba from a debut

>> No.3769880

>>3762284
At some point Eudrick became too much of a meme, there's no one that would be able to live up to the expectations. Wolfgang would be more likely.

>> No.3770152

They're really covering all the bases of western vtubers with NijiEN
>no personality, just dick jokes repeated ad nauseum
>"my content is obtrusive twitch notifications, I hope they're funny because I'm not" with as much charisma as a puddle
>a vtweeter
Literally a perfect cross-section of the western scene right now. All they're missing is an r18 vtuber that streams on chaturbate and they'd be Niji's answer to vshojo.

>> No.3770212

>>3770152
Having Gura notifications for Dragon made me laugh.

>> No.3770236

They seem like nice girls, give them some time.

>> No.3770298

I'm willing to watch a male streamer as long as they aren't fujobait.

>> No.3770327

>>3758877
Yes, Nijisanji is an idol group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4ZIN4yak8

>> No.3770509

You know, they really had the chance to get the cred for the "first big male en vtuber" thing, and they just didn't do it.
He could have coasted along on his gender, ironically enough, and they still didn't do it.
How bizarre.

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>>3769762
>Don't judge any chuba from a debut
>debut

>> No.3771065

>>3770509
Are there even any indie western vtuber males that are reasonably successful? There were countless indie female vtubers of various degrees of success, including a number of the vshojo girls before they formed their company, that served as a proof of concept for the market there. But I don't know of a single male vtuber in the west that has found any degree of a following beyond the nichest of niches.

>> No.3771794

>>3770509
English VALZ next batch.

>> No.3771882

>>3770509
I get the desire for male en vtubers but it's just not happening ever. If it wasn't obvious already English speakers only watch for anime girlfriends, why even bother with a dude when he won't appeal to 90% of the audience

>> No.3771999

>>3758877
>I liked the their song a lot
stopped reading here

>> No.3772196

>>3771999
Thanks for the input.

>> No.3772253

>>3758877
Niji has almost zero presence on EN side it makes perfect sense that they are copying successful formula.

>> No.3772266

>>3771882
It CAN work. There are lots of widely successful english-speaking male content creators (in fact, they're the overwhelming majority of successful content creators in the anglosphere) and successful male streamers.

There just aren't many english male vtubers, which means there isn't a precedent set for that specific audience and no model for companies like hololive and nijisanji to imitate for reasonably assured success. That makes it a risk, and companies don't like risk.

>> No.3772313

>>3771882
Low likelihood of success never stopped Nijisanji from trying before.
They probably just played it safe with the first batch. I expect the latter ones to have a guy or two.

>> No.3772406

>>3761179
JP largely only cares about JP. ID/EN are probably going to be the largest groups that interact with each other, as was the case with ID/IN. KR is in a weird spot because aside Bora, its never interacted with JP much; instead you saw things like Yuya and Noor doing a JP language collab or Suha doing an English collab with one of the IDs.
>>3761201
nips love wordplay
>>3762033
With the way 3/5 of the Selene girls are stagnant... The company as a whole also already has too many JP members that barely stream.

>> No.3772499

I was few days whitout internet and missed NijiEN debuts etc. Redpill me, how bad was it? Or was it all ogey and rrats just got loose on /vt/ ?

>> No.3772613

>>3772499
They were fine. Nothing especially bad or good. Pomu is cute. Elira has a nice singing voice. Finana didn't debut due to technical difficulties.

>> No.3772684

>>3772406
Ngo is somewhat stagnant, but the other 2 have good reasons for being stagnant. One being dead and the other being a literal fashion/travel vlogger.

>>3772499
Numbers were 12k/15k, Fish missed her debut. It wasn't terrible, and ironically the thing I remember most was dragon deez nuts. Pomu clearly has the highest /jp/ powerlevel, Dragon's stream after was better than her debut. The latter question doesn't even need an answer.

>> No.3772730

We are barely in week 1.

>> No.3772791

>>3772613
>>3772684
>Finana didn't debut due to technical difficulties.
Managed to see a glimpse of the spam with my phone, guess they were all just rrats then.
Have to do my archive reps later..

>> No.3772797

>>3772499
Their tweets leading up to debut killed most people's expectations.
Debuts were like 25 minutes apiece and done back to back.

Fairy had really bad audio and couldn't stop making "big pp energy" jokes. She sung, poorly. Schedule focused on afternoon timezone US, 3pm pst/6est
Dragon had great audio and sounded really professional and prepared. She sang really well but had obnoxious streamlabs notifications up the whole time. Ironically, one of her notifications was a gura emote. Had a really packed schedule, 2 streams a day almost every day. Streams euro-friendly hours, maybe aus timezone
Fish couldn't debut because of technical difficulties and got skipped. Jury's still out on her.

It's really hard to form impressions from how short and condensed the debuts we got were. All we can really say is that dragon sings well and has good audio, and fairy does not.

>> No.3773009

>>3760444
>>>>asking /vt/
don't you mean /jp/hlgg/?

>> No.3773023

>>3761853
I think the issue with this is that any guy with a pro gamer type following probably makes more on twitch.

>> No.3773066

>>3772797
>She sung, poorly.
It was a meme song with purposely-screeching idol calls, it was intentional

>> No.3773108

>>3759438
Kek
They should do this, just pretend fish never existed

>> No.3773129

>>3773066
I'll have to agree, she sung with entertainment in mind, not as an "idol" experience.

>> No.3773133

>>3772797
>Jury's still out on her.
We all know she's going to be the best or worst depending on your point of view.

>> No.3773160

>>3772313
But if MYSTERY NIGGAS is correct, the next batch looks like another group of girls unless they go with a trap/femboy

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>>3761684
I just like this pic

>> No.3773192

>>3772797
Fairy had better audio in her previous life, so she must have messed something up. She's doing karaoke on Saturday, so hopefully she'll get her settings reset by then.

>> No.3773207

>>3773023
This is a tricky thing about the western sphere. Compfags are worth too much to snag easily as talents, but the competition pool is too deep and overcrowded to just take a middle-of-the-pack dude and hope he makes it big.

It's different in Japan. Their talent pool in popular games like Apex are shallow as a puddle and that makes it pretty easy to just grab someone off the street and force them to play the game for 12 hours a day until they're a pro.

>> No.3773322

Would idols joke endlessly about big pp and dragon deez nuts?

>> No.3773405

>>3773160
I'm still not convinced that the left mystery nigga is a girl, but even if it is, there'll still be more batches after that. ID just had their 6th announced.

>> No.3773460

>>3773322
Proper virtual idols shave their pubes on camera, stream themselves taking bathes and twerk at concerts.

>> No.3773733

>>3773322
dragon made a deez nuts joke once and chat wouldn't shut the fuck about it. you could tell she was regretting it by the end of her second stream

>> No.3773820

>>3773187
Is the movie any good? I want to watch it just to hear The Moon Song, plus the concept sounds alluring.

>> No.3773826

>>3773733
That's what they get by sprouting zoomer memes. Hopefully they will stop with that shit soon.

>> No.3773827

>>3760891
That's mostly because hana and elira are definitely not autistic.

>> No.3773846

>>3759415
Amezing recovery. ssg Watson
Ina debut was boring as fuck. Then some time passed and she's the only EN I keep up with to this day

>> No.3774095

>>3773826
ZOOMER BAD!?? DAE HATE ZOOMERS? You're either a zoomer fag yourself or you're getting left behind in "muh good old days" while the rest of the world moves on. Bitching about "zoomer humor" coming from possibly zoomer streamers streaming for a mostly zoomer audience is retarded. That goes for any company. You want hags, there's a handful out there for you, but for the most part, vtubing is a "zoomer" thing, it's where the future is and where they need to secure a long lasting fanbase.

>> No.3774441

>>3774095
Nigga the majority of vtubers are in their late 20s at the youngest. It's a millennial thing. Zoomers are literal children and teenagers still.

>> No.3774460

>>3774095
I don't necessarily want hags but the whole "haha amogus sneed deez nuts xD"
Shtick gets old really fast.

>> No.3774475

>>3773820
Ina had a member watchalong, it was fun but predictable.

>> No.3774489

>>3773460
not him
doing these once in a while is fine, as long as they don't do it constantly.

>> No.3774511

>>3774095
Wrong.

>> No.3774551

>>3758877
>Why does it seem like they're just copying the Hololive formula when it came to EN?
>WHOA THEY DEBUTED WITH GIRLS THEYRE COPYING THE HOLOLIVE EN FORMULA
Debuting with girls is the safest option. Not every male Vtuber will be a Kuzuha or even Kanae and they probably know that by now despite how many successful male Vtubers they have.

>> No.3774561

>>3758877
>isn't it a little too... idol-like?
And what's wrong with that?

>> No.3774588

>>3770509
You act like there won’t be future generations for EN. Calm down, doomy.

>> No.3774597

>>3759029
>This board
literally who cares?

>> No.3774624

>>3761728
The holostars branch is embarrassing. I’m surprised they haven’t all retired.

>> No.3774737

>>3774624
because they earn more donos than the ID branch

>> No.3774779

>>3774551
Male vtubers are real fucking hit-and-miss overall; if just being in a big company was a guaranteed success then Holostars would have been at least kind of in the realm of Hololive but no it's only a tiny little fraction. In the West, there aren't really successful, dedicated male vtubers, as opposed to already-existing ecelebs doing it as a gag/trend following.

Not to mention there's only 3 of these girls as well, it's not a giant effort on their part; if they started off with 5+ that'd be a stronger indicator of commitment. Unlike HoloID and HoloCN, HoloEN went in with a full roster of five like the Japanese gens indicating a more serious/equal go at it. So even with these three nijis it's playing safer than necessary; they aren't confident at all in this being successful even as it is with 3 girls as an idol-like unit (released a song right on debut night).

>> No.3774843

>>3774597
People who want more serious fans than fucking children on youtube and casual clipfag groups on facebook. Neither of those people have money and if they do they don't take this subject seriously enough to SC. You have plenty of hardcore oshi supporters around here mixed in amongst the free entertainment crowd. You hear the most direct thoughts and sternest judgment from them, literally a cheat sheet for what you'd really need to do to win over gachikoi. Ignoring such advice just sitting out here in the open for free is done at companies' own peril.

>> No.3774896

>>3774843
People seems willing to ignore that the content of this board are often copied and (after a bit of editing) and spread to other sites

>> No.3774898

>>3774843
I don't know man the guys that superchat seem a lot more like they'll accept anything the girl does rather than sharing the sentiment of people on this board

>> No.3774909

Sad the high point of NijiEN was the fish's skipped debut.

>> No.3774919

>>3774779
They went with three because they already have the next batch(es?) ready and didn't want to drop like 6+ of them all at once.

>> No.3775128

>>3774779
they've already been doing 3 at a time. it's not new.

>> No.3775320

>>3758877
You sound like a stupid eop who doesn't know shit bout nijisanji jp and holo jp. Also western male vtubers are trash. Name one good western indie male vtuber. You can't.

These niji en girls are just pure straight up otakus by Japanese standards. If holo en is reddit, niji en is just /jp/.

>> No.3775464

>>3759780
>western male anime streamer.
English =/= western

>> No.3775493

>>3775320
>western male vtubers are trash.
get an English speaker that isn't a westerner

>> No.3775560

>>3775320
You’re retarded and son’t understand the appeal of the west and streamers. Most of the big name streamers are male and even if you try to seperate chuubas and streamers, vtubers are literally streamers with an any may may avatar.

>> No.3775634

>>3775560
Do you know anything about western streamers? The audience is dank "le poggers" preteens that exclusively watch grown men lose their shit over video games. The anime avatar would filter literally all of them

>> No.3775660

Where is it? Where is brap meme?

>> No.3775803

>>3762483
'Western vs idol' is a flawed paradigm. Just think in terms of building hype and viral marketing

>> No.3775819

>>3775493
This, they can find a Japanese guy who is really good at English.

>> No.3776459

>>3774843
>You hear the most direct thoughts and sternest judgment from them
unfortunately there's a lot of schizo posting and false-flagging mixed with the critiques, and lot of people dont have enough life experience to tell the difference between one or the other

>> No.3782789

>>3760284
How long till she changes herself into a mermaid to leach off finana

>> No.3782907

>>3762483
People just want an excuse to hate I'm just happy to have more cute anime girls to watch

>> No.3789342

>>3773160
What? Where are you seeing this?

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