Are vtuber fans destined to always lose in the end?

[Anonymous No.]

How do you cope with the fact that you will never be anything more than a fan to your oshi? you'll never be her close friend, her boyfriend, her acquaintance, all you'll ever be is a fan, a just another viewer in between masses of thousands of other people like you. If you were to disappear she wouldn't even notice nor would it affect her life in any meaningful way. When she graduates she'll never remember (you) as an individual person. And EVEN if you were her irl friend she would never date you, because you are a FAN. Not a single vtuber, idol, celebrity would date her fans, none. Even if they say the would they are lying to drag you in.

[Anonymous No.]

By not being a schizo.

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>>37551524
I watch vtubers for entertainment not for GFE

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>>37551524
That's why you groom 2views instead

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>>37551524
Get out of the big corpo bubble and you'll find 2views with official discords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37551524
>How do you cope with the fact that you will never be anything more than a fan to your oshi?
By becoming a vtuber that works for the same company as my oshi, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't have an oshi, just watch clips to make jerking off to them better. Vtubers aren't worth much outside of their porn anyways.

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>>37551524
Yes. Don't be a simp. So many have already declared that it's a bad idea. Vtubers have said it. DONT BE A SIMP. Simps always lose

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>>37551524
The trick is to be happy and satisfied with the vtuber-fan relationship as it is. I don't need to start imagining that it could be more than that

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>>37551524
>anime merch
>uber-eats every night
>expensive internet
>constant breaks for vacations
Honestly, you probably have a shot. None of these girls are gonna have anything when the bubble bursts. There are tons of stories of fans marrying used up pornstars and camgirls. I mean it's possible, most of these girls are already pretty busted up and have no real skills, if you're in the position to catch them when they really fall.

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>>37552957
Who wants fallen foods though?

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>>37552991
As long as you follow the 5 seconds rule it's fine

[Anonymous No.]

the entire reason you're in love with a fantasy of a woman on the internet and not attempting to initiate relationships with real humans is because you've already lost and accepted that you've lost

stop pretending otherwise

t. in love with a vtuber

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>>37551524
>How do you cope with the fact that you will never be anything more than a fan to your oshi?
That's all I want to be. They're entertainers who provide me with free laughs. Nothing more.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I cope with no gf in general

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>>37551524
But anon, I am all of those things.

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>>37551524
You're being shown people solely at their best with a plethora of marketing to put them on a pedestal. I doubt they're consistently attractive/likeable on a daily basis. There's better options out there in general.

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>>37551524
With that attitude you'll never be more then a fan, check out smaller corpos or 2 views and dont be a freak. Some of these girls are just as lonely as you, you can progress past just a fan pretty easily. The bf part is hard to achieve but not impossible

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>>37551524
How do vtubers cope with the fact that they will never be my girlfriend?

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>>37553440
Sounds trite, but you have to be content with loving yourself and your own company while you're single. You need to begin by seeing yourself as someone worth dating. Focus more on becoming a person that would treat a woman really well instead of thinking of yourself as inadequate for being single.
If you let enough time go by having consigned yourself to being alone without doing anything about it then you're unfortunately more certain to end up that way. Don't spend too much time in front of the computer; it loves to talk about how single it is whenever you're not using it for fun or work.
Above all else, don't think any less of yourself for being single. If there are problems in your life keeping you from having a relationship you should solve them to the best of your ability, but don't beat yourself up for not getting to where you feel like you're supposed to be overnight.

Hang in there. It must be in the air or something today, because I was really going through it with this shit earlier today myself.

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>>37552622
be a simp just dont be a cuck and glass any vtuber who has a bf

yes i am that best

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>>37553571
what are you supposed to do after you win the vtubing game?

[Anonymous No.]

That's life. It's not a big deal dude.

Find a loving wife for that kind of intimacy if it's such a priority for you.

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>>37551524
>Not a single vtuber, idol, celebrity would date her fans, none. Even if they say the would they are lying to drag you in.
I'm honestly not sure I agree with this. Just putting myself in their shoes, I don't think I would feel that way. I would be wary of diehard brand loyalists that seem to be in love with my design and the character I play moreso than my actual personality, but I don't think I'd automatically disqualify someone from my dating pool for being a fan of mine.

[Anonymous No.]

Vtuber fans don't lose. The fans enjoy an entertainer for as long as they're entertaining. It's only the unicucks that lose

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>>37551524
www
Amine ladi play gaem say funi mem. e I play same gaem wow relating ww
Kyoot animo gilr is kyoot i press thump up buton.
wwwwwwww

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>>37554277
heavy cope

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>>37554340
This but unironically

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>>37554347
Not really, that's just my opinion. What am I even supposed to be coping about here?

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>>37553862
One of the most based posts I've ever seen.

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>>37554405
Wasn't being ironic. I too, am like this.

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>>37551524
Anon just get a cosplay girlfriend and have her cosplay your oshi

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>>37551524
>If you were to disappear she wouldn't even notice nor would it affect her life in any meaningful way.
Anon I have personally sent multiple EN vtubers down a schizophrenic spiral by becoming a regular in their community under an alt and then suddenly leaving. You have absolutely no idea how incredibly painful it is to a woman to see all her efforts fail as a person is picked up by someone else. The aftereffects last for months.

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>>37551524
Find a true menhera, somebody who unironically loves their fans, They exist, they are out there.

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>>37551524
>How do you cope with the fact that you will never be anything more than a fan to your oshi?
picrel

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>>37551524
True, it's just sad, I hope that they learn how to enjoy the content without getting too attached

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>>37553440
You just need to remember all the negative shit you're dodging by being single.
>gf flirting with other men in front of you
>suspicion of gf cheating on you
>gf actually cheating on you
>gf insecure so she's being a cunt because she wants you to read her mind
>gf getting jealous of you talking to other girls
>gf isolating you from other people so you become dependent on her attention, then gaslighting you
>gf not wanting to talk to you because she's currently annoyed with you
>gf claiming you raped her
>gf spending all of your money
>gf taking up all of your time so you have none to yourself, and you get sick of being around her
>gf moving in with you, then leaving to take half of your shit
>gf not being interested in your hobbies, and getting you to stop doing the things you like
>gf getting pregnant, and then leaving you to pay child support without you seeing your child
>gf shit talking you to your child so your child hates you
>gf shit talking you to her friends and family
>gf shit talking you to your friends and family
>gf lying to you, and gaslighting you

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>>37555335
Man I just want love an affection like anybody else...

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone loses in the end.

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>>37555471
So do a lot of people, and moreso women, which is why they fuck and date a lot more than men

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>>37555471
I don't really think you should listen to that guy. You're obviously already mired in the negativity that can come from being single and yearning for a relationship, and I don't think dwelling on where it could go wrong is the right way to cope with not having a relatioship. It does sound like a good way to stay single forever though.
How old are you anyways, anon? If I had to guess, you've probably still got most of your life ahead of you.

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ἀγάπη

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>>37551524
>Vtuber provides a service.
>That service is an entertaining time.
>If the Vtuber doesn’t entertain me, I click away.

Don’t let these guys/girls use parasocial bs to get their claws in your noggin. The good ones will never do that to you. If you feel you might be getting played, just unsub.

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>>37551524
Nigga it's called escapism, it's like watching an anime or a movie series, or like reading a book. It's nice to pretend but I know it's fiction, of course Gura isn't 9000 years old, but not getting into the keyfabe is boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>Are vtuber fans destined to always lose in the end?
Yes
that's why most of the time the only streams i fully watch are karaokes, i use them as jukebox most of the time

Do you really think a "virgin" girl would know how to be the perfect girlfriend?

Do you really think a girl who doesn't interact with males knows how to please an audience composed mostly by men?

when i need sex i can jerk off my dick but when i need love i watch an asmr to jerk off my heart. .
Truth is gfe was never a cure or a treatment gfe is just a drug that rottens your heart filling it with fake expectations

GFE is the worst thing that could ever happened to a gosling, sometimes i wish i were a normie and live happy with a stacy gf

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>>37551524
You are probably as good a human being as your oshi, probably even better, considering the conditions these girls usually put themselves in.

Would you honestly want to date a girl who is too lazy to clean her dishes before they get moldy? Would you marry a girl who blends days-old sandwiches and blends them into smoothies? Even if the answer is yes, you still understand that something is wrong with such girls because it makes your dick hard.

These people are on this very board, a lot of them. This board is like 40% women. They made the same bad life decisions and try competing by making a digital puppet and focusing on the voice. For some it works, but for most it doesn't - most chubas get basically nothing. I got more views on youtube than the average chuba gets before she quits, and it was still a pathetic number. You could too, it's not hard.

Of course, if you want a more successful person than average - you better be successful as well. It works like that with all people btw. But being a vtuber is not that much of a success, objectively speaking. It's still not considered a real job by normies for a good reason - it's terribly unstable. It's been like 5 years into vtubing existing at all and a solid chunk of chubas (even popular ones) already graduated. It's worse than being a normal youtuber.

And you yourself are probably have lower self-esteem than you should have, that's pretty normal today. I don't know you so I don't know what you don't give yourself credit for, but it could be as mundane as not having a vomit drawer.

[Anonymous No.]

literally bought condom money with gf's superchats

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>>37556323
I'm gonna be honest, I've never actually known anybody irl in committed relationships that uses condoms. the pull-out technique is simply too effective

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>>37556323
Why buy condom money and not just buy condoms?

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>>37551524
>Unironically thinking you could be anything other than a fan to your oshi
At least akasupa her constantly to condition her to get happy whenever she sees your name. Eventually she'll get wet at the mere sight of you even without you sending her money

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>>37556483
It doesn't bother you that by your logic, you're just lubing her up for rm's bf? and paying for it?

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>>37551524
Only unicorns always lose, normal enjoyers see hololive for fun and entertainment

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>>37556536
Well for one, it was just a suggestion. If anon is this far gone he might as well try anything. 2nd, that's assuming she actually has a bf in the first place. /vt/ pretends not to care what happens off stream so i don't see why that's relevant

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>>37556617
>/vt/ pretends not to care what happens off stream so i don't see why that's relevant
>/vt/ pretends not to care
I can see it

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>>37556536
What's with this cuck mentality that always assumes there's another guy involved or that you're anything other than a viewer to her?

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>>37556657
>What's with this cuck mentality
Comes with watching "anime girls" play video games territory, I guess.

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>>37551524
>projecting this hard
Feels good to have an oshi who actually cares about me. It's a shame you'll never know what that's like.

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>>37556657
Somehow even know you’re jerking off to this chick with 5k other dudes, you get “cucked” when the chick gets a bf.

The people who think this way just need to go get a prostitute. There’s no hope for them.

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>>37552957
>None of these girls are gonna have anything when the bubble bursts.
You literally contradicted yourself in your next sentence:
> There are tons of stories of fans marrying used up pornstars and camgirls

All the girls are going to be completely fine.

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>>37551834
based groomerchama

[Anonymous No.]

I weaponize my ADHD, that’s how. Whenever I’m getting the least bit parasocial, I let myself get distracted. I don’t even pay full attention to streams because I can’t unless the topic is so interesting that I don’t care about who’s delivering it.
Instead of convincing myself I have to “support” my oshi, I click out of it whenever my attention’s flagging and either read Wikipedia or screw around here. She’s a vtuber, she cares more about analytics and accurate data on what retains views than empty compliments from yesmen. Or, she’s an idiot/menhera and only meaningful to me as a source of entertainment (even if unintentional).
I dunno, anon. I have more trouble understanding how people care about being “more than a fan” to some stranger they’ve never met. I vaguely have an idea, but it’s really fucking conceptual and all just theory to me.

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>>37551834
Unironically this. I've akasupa'd her several times and played several games with her on stream. Her mood immediately perks up when she sees me in chat now and always reads my messages, responding with the cutest engrish I've ever heard. With some deepl assistance she's now open to play off stream with me. I'm fucking making it bros

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>>37557064
I'm in the camp that EN needs an actual GFE so I'm not in the camp of just watching anime girl goof around and tell me about what she did that day with her bf, I could watch 3DPD for that.
I'm watching the anime for the fantasy of it but unlike an actual fictional anime character there is a person behind it I can't ignore because I'm only human, I'm curious.
I'm not looking to be a super fan or have any meaning in their life at all, I want their company and I want all the rrat shit untraceable to me.

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>>37551524
The mentally deranged ones, yes

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>>37551524
Either settle as an eternal fan to your oshi and accept your place in life or get a real relationship.

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>>37551524
That's why you take a step back and just watch purely for the entertainment. It's better for your mental health when you just don't care. At the end of the day, your observations are correct - you'll never be nothing more than a screen name and a donation number, and thus you should view the chuuba as nothing more than just another livestreamer. No worrying about who she's gonna collab with, no worrying about if she's a whore, no worrying about what she's doing in her free time.
>>37553440
There's more to life than having a gf, learn to enjoy it. So long as you're a decent person you'll more than likely find the right one eventually, there's no rush.

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>>37557645
>there's no rush.
I think I'll make it to 80 but time isn't slowing down.

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>>37551524
Good because I am not a schizo

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>>37557198
The only vtuber who arguably is gfe that I watch is Miori. It’s quite intriguing…I don’t feel any romantic feelings for her really, but that’s because I never forget that the screen is there. If anything, the appeal of (good) GFE to me is when a vtuber feels safe enough with the avatar to just not give a fuck and let down the dumb social walls and facade that everybody does with people they don’t know.
It’s an…intellectual experience, weirdly enough. Why do I enjoy it when she makes cursed/boner-killing voices but cringe when Mori does it? Why did I enjoy watching Miori play Nikke (I was cooking, I didn’t even look at the screen) but don’t particularly care for Lia’s Genshin Impact streams? Why has both she and Ina gotten comments about their streams being comfy, but I like hers and hate Ina’s?
Yes, I use the comparative method for vtubers, like I do for all social phenomena. Part of me goes full sociologist/anthropologist while I’m watching them, part of me goes media theorist, and part of me just enjoys the damn stream.

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>>37551524
Vchubas have ruined me I no longer have interest in real women and I constantly fantasize in dating an anime girl

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>>37558089
I'm glad you can come to that conclusion and be ok with it. I still think until we get a GFE who purposefully goes out of their way to hide their digital footprint and doesn't flaunt their rm acc in case they need to fall back on it because that also just leaves doors open for doxxing.
I don't have the same will power as you to not rrat friend. I need a competent and professional person to not be a literal child and do a good GFE job. I don't want to know there's even the slightest hint of a real person behind that avatar, just the story for that avatar, behind 7 fucking proxies.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes. You're destined to always lose. You're way too late to these realizations

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>>37558146
That makes no sense as these characters are being played by real women. And they're just that, normal women you cross by on the street any average day.

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>>37551524
>How do you cope with the fact that you will never be anything more than a fan to your oshi?
My oshi only exists because of ME. Her roommate gets a boyfriend and you think I'll accept that? NO! My anger will be relentless - I will make the chinese look like fucking amateurs. I continue living only to see the age where roommates are cycled out like guests on a variety show. The age where a man's oshi can TRANSCEND and EXIST BEYOND the women behind the avatar. An age where WHORES that FAIL IN THEIR SINGULAR DUTY to embody a man's oishi are cast to the GUTTER where they belong - replaced by the voice and movement of a younger woman that will carry the responsibility until she also, inevitably, fails.
We'll live with no fear of graduation, or betrayal, or narratives, or roommate accounts, or meds. With an oishi free of the deficits inherent to the lesser sex; the 2D wife your oishi is MEANT TO BE.

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>>37558601
that's a very pump and dump attitude and I can get behind that

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>>37558657
Pump and dump for vtubers is the normalfag meta. It’s just expressed in different words
>I watch her content because I like it. Oh, her content’s not that good anymore? I found this other vtuber through the algorithm whose content I like, so I’ve started watching more of her lately.
These people are artists. Whether that art is good or not is debatable. But commercial art is still art, and you can enjoy it like that—by watching streams when you like them and switching if you don’t. It’s how I do it, anyway. By treating it like artists offering their wares at the art exhibition that is youtube (or twitch, but only if I really have to)

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>>37558657
Well vtubers, at least the current live streaming iteration, are basically a virtual hostess or host club you'd find in Japan. At the end of the day it's still a business transaction where the vtuber provides entertainment in exchange for your time and money. And like these hostess clubs, maybe you have a favorite or two you see regularly, spend some superchats to prop up the business, and go about your way at the end of the night like a salary man that missed his last train.

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>>37551524
personally I see chuubas as just something to entertain me. if they start acting like ethots or just sound like random normal girls from work etc that's no longer entertaining for me. simple as.

people who think they have or are on some kind of mission to impress their oshi and get her attention IRL, I dunno what to tell you. you take it all too seriously.

I suppose I should note that I was into Holo well before EN existed, and the girls all felt more distant and unapproachable because they in fact, are, because of the distance and language barrier - it all feels much closer to how one feels watching anime. With the EN sphere however I can see how people who never were into JPs and never got into Hololive with an assumed permanent forever-distance, become confused like you do.

The annoying shitty part is Cover pretends that people like you don't exist and that they aren't exploiting the shit out of your feelings. IMO supas should be capped at like $10 and anonymized or something so people don't feel like they're too closely attached but what can you do, they want to profit off you.

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>>37558751
> people who think they have or are on some kind of mission to impress their oshi and get her attention IRL, I dunno what to tell you. you take it all too seriously.
To the limited extent that I feel the urge to do this, it’s because I know the skills needed to make a good impression to a stranger on the internet are partially transferable to real life for all sorts of things. Like with everything in life, it’s always possible to take it too far. Considering that I’ve never even so much as donated a single cent or membered a single channel, I’d like to think I’m not on the unhealthy side of that balance.

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>>37559224
So you're going to impress a stranger in real life by throwing literal wads of cash at them? Because that's how you get noticed or impressed by your Oshi, give an akasupa and they might read it.

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>>37557076
I've seen a vtuber quit because of groomer. be careful where you tread

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>>37551524
By taking my medication.

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>>37558601
personally I can't wait until there's just an AI.

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>>37551524
Just wait 10 years for full dive.

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>>37551524
>Are vtuber fans destined to always lose in the end?
Only EN

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>>37559314
The vtubers I watch tend to read comments that are interesting. I’m not trying to get laid here, I just have a very hard time saying anything of substance without being needlessly verbose.

See what I just did there? That was verbatim what my mental dialogue spat out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s practice for training my brain into becoming more succinct.

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>>37559585 (me)
Believe it or not, I treat /vt/ the same way too. I take what I really am trying to say and figure out how to curate the tone and vocabulary for the context. I just didn’t do that with the last comment to give an idea of what I sound like when I don’t do the curating and just let the unbridled autism flow.

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>>37559585
>>37559636
are you hacking my brain