/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Nijibros......

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
watch both at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

No shit, Gura and Ame have almost 4 million subs put together. The Niji debut is doing great considering it's in direct competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
>>3737271
OH MY GOD NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS I MUST PICK A SIDE I MUST CREATE FAKE WARS ABOUT NOTHING

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
What the fuck were nijiniggers thinking? They're literally up against gura/ame and meme review and pekora. Yagoo should have shown up for meme review to have killed them off for good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Hey, leave my detective
use Coco instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Lmao and kekpilled, niggersEN cant even break 5k

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737314
The debut schedule was up days before the podcast. It's Hololive that's trying to sabotage Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737314
>They're literally up against gura/ame and meme review and pekora
I'm sure management is pulling for them to blow up the same way HoloEN did. But if the people who watch meme review never touch niji that would be just fine by me.

[Anonymous No.]

That's still a lot for irrelevant nijikeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
so HoloEOPs vs NijiSEANIGGERS?

[Anonymous No.]

They must have known they'd be going up at least against meme review right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Holoniggers are mad nijichads have more likes

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>>3737471
They had that podcast schedule set up week before they were announced and at the usual time they do collab. Even if you say AmeSame could change their time, meme review is same time every week so niji is sabotaging themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

Happy that Niji won't get spammed with unironic weaboos. Thank you Hololive for taking all the autists!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Both announced literally on the same day with 2h difference. Fishtank aside, Nijishitters knew Sunday morning is usually packed with holotalk/meme review, yet still pushed for it, when they could've just do it on Friday evening or anytime Saturday...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208

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>>3737314
why the fuck should they care about another group's schedule? they should go and get their own fans instead of leeching

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737601
Lmao just by pandering to EOPs you already have unironic weeaboos by default

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737601
... so they will be spammed with "ironic weeaboos"? That doesn't sound much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737647
Most weaboos speak english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
The gap's even wider now

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737632
Nijifans don't want holofans in their circle but are mad that holofans aren't watching niji debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737601
Didn't one of the chubbas literally posted herself taking a shit on Twitter? She clearly has an audience locked in

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737674
are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>I hate NijiEN cause of all the reddit memes they post
>I'm gonna watch Coco reddit meme review instead

The mindset of Holofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
its over...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Tordesillas treaty but with holo/niji when?
niji gets eastern, cover gets western

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737674
By definition they wouldn't be speaking japanese now, would they anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
It's over NIJISANJI EN. The Fish Tank have the high ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737314
I think the same, Ninji at the same time against the best of the best hololive have...
jesus

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737497
Its a debut anon, even Ame´s mama got 17k for her debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Gura is my favorite so I have to watch that, but I am curious as to how the new girls do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
nice chat you got there

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>>3737716
But Coco HATES redditors anon, she's said so many times
Besides, there's a reason she calls it a "shit meme review", she acknowledges the awfulness of reddit's sense of humor

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737314
>up against gura/ame and meme review and pekora.
Only thing worse would be if it was on Gura’s channel.

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>>3737716
Theres like 500 people in a holo thread, being generous like 1k. Only a retard would use 4chan as some sort of measure, Coco's meme review gets 20-60k views and 98% likes. Faggots here not liking it means absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737716
KEK

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>>3737835
Reddit is in on it too from what I can tell. They go out of their way to make shit memes for the sake of it, if only to fill her time slot if not actually making her upset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737846
It'd be mercy still, a doom scenario would be Ame doing fishtank with Mori, and Gura, while Coco has Pekora as guest.

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>>3737937
I've started to notice that trend, especially because it seems she purposely selects the stuff she knows will get a rise out of her guests
And for those not in on the joke, she's working them for free and easy content
Coco is truly big brain

[Anonymous No.]

I hope Uto is the guest for the next episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
holoen debut numbers

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>>3737945
That would still not be as bad. Worse case EVER, would be Pekora on Gura’s channel doing collab and bringing her viewers with her to Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Why the fuck do you retards have to make this into a flame war? Do you get sexual pleasure from stirring the pot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738060
So this is it... this is the absolute hard mode...

Let's throw Coco and Marine in for good measure...

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>>3738036

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737314
Don't forget that Cover also gave Uto a call to help them bleed even more viewers kek

[Anonymous No.]

>/vt/ nijinigger numberfagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Massively based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Oh nooooo its almost like they're rival companies??

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738305
>rivals
Shut the fuck up you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Fuck hololive. Who the fuck they think they are.

[Anonymous No.]

This is just part 1, part 2 will be VSingerEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737632
>why the fuck should they care about another group's schedule?
They would care if they were not complet imbeciles. Obviously the people who watch HoloEN are also their own potential target audience, people who are alkready interested in VTubers. It would be utterly idiotic to assume they can get decent numbers without initially drawing most of those from the same viewer demographic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
I'm watching the third option https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoJ0_5wU-e8

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738335
Of course they are rivals companies, don't be an idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738413
it's fucking awesome, damn it

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Hololive-Antis better start clipping NijiEN like there's no tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

ITS STARTING

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738413
>Ai is also in it with Cover
IT'S A COMMUNITY-WIDE CONSPIRACY

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738172
Now that's a proper rrat, I like it

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738413
how is Kizuna? i didn't watch her since years

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Meme review is always at that timeslot

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738607
if you watched her at any point after she hit the mainstream, it's basically the same but even safer content-wise, which is why she's still popular with Nip companies for advertising campaigns. she's also lost almost all the pull she had on TikTok but is more popular on Bilibili and even more popular then that on TikTok or something.

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>>3738607
The multiple Kizuna Ais with different actors really killed her momentum. That, along with her not having any content for a while, and not adapting to the livestreaming environment in time really made her recline
She still has the best "lives" and 3D hands down though, but that's also because they're prerendered

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738373
The best?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737280
They're competing with vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738172
>Don't forget that Cover also gave Uto a call to help them bleed even more viewers kek
Reminder that Uto still hasn't said that she has left the unnamed company Cover. The last update she gave was that she was still in negotiations with the company. That was after she had returned to streaming after her break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737280
Is this cope I'm hearing?

[Anonymous No.]

>Defeated by a fucking improvised podcast.
NijiEn is a comedic joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3740812
So much for killing Holomyth. Maybe they should try getting on someone like Koopas level first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3740812
Nijisanji JP still gets more stream views than Hololive as a whole, look up the record stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741173
>immediately brings up JP.
This is advanced cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741087
In a couple of months, maybe even weeks, nobody is going to remember NijiEn. Any chance they had, they lost it with the stupid shit they wrote on Twitter before debuting, or when they decided to say stuff like "big pee pee energy" during their debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741173
Nope, this stat just HoloJP vs NijiJP

[Anonymous No.]

post yfw Artemis's debut numbers btfo thie nijiEN debuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741173
Yeah, with much MUCH more talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741561
they cant even beat Hololive in views with 3x the people

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741173
Who the fuck is talking about Nijisanji JP? We're talking about NijiEn. Throughout this week we had dozens of advertising threads made by shills to promote them, and many even said they would be the end of HoloMyth; it turned out, however, that even an improvised podcast devoid of content where Ame and Gura talk about nothing in particular got more views than the debut of these new Vtubers. I can't help but laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry bros I'm switching to Amesame. They seem to be doing fun stuff rn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
nijicucks blown the fuck out

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741977
NIJIKEKS MOGGED HARDER THAN GAZA!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Based Yagoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741449
OH NO NO NO, NIJIBROS I THOUGHT WE WERE STRONG IN JAPAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737508
i am HoloSEAnigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741441
This, unironically

[Anonymous No.]

>a washed up /a/ shitposter, a literal Chaturbate camgirl, some dude using TTS, a spic with superAIDS, an e- girl and her mom, an NTR enthusiast some blonde weeb who barely speaks Japanese, and a Polska britbong are more of an existential threat to Hololive than Nijisanji
How will Nijikeks ever recover?

[Anonymous No.]

what is the hottest number? 4 is very sexy... good ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741479
He had a ton of hype and an amazing model. Then niggas realized he's a tranny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3740812
This isn't the main stream faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

gura is fix. niji is finish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741479

[Anonymous No.]

Bullshit. Pommu had 12k and Elira now has 14k as well.

No one would watch the main stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3744910
>>3745025
Gutame's podcast still has 25k Nijiwho eternally btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>3745216
And it is a shitty podcast and already mogged the debuts of the Nijis.
HOLOS FOR THE WIN!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3745216
Whatever. Still way more than I expected. I thought they would get less than 5k on debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3745413
Go be a tribalist in hell faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3745494
Nijicope harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>3745753
I'm happy with those numbers. I'm not a number fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3745413
OHNONONO

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737699
just because numberfag provoke them

[Anonymous No.]

>>3748932
it wasn't the same anymore after the exile, back to back sticky also helps

[Anonymous No.]

>common sense prevailed and they RESCHEDULED.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>3750606
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741449
Niji bros I don't feel so good

[Anonymous No.]

>>3748932
Felt just like a festival, now let's hope HoloEN gen2 gets as much hype

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741449
Too many Vtubers in your company is a debuff

[Anonymous No.]

So what happen? Did they reschedule or did they debut and got mogged?

[Anonymous No.]

So with the actual live numbers now, is it safe to say NijiEN is not a flop and is here to stay? It's already a bigger number than any of their foreign branches and those get events/sponsorship/upgrades just fine. The doomposting is just retarted, in my humble opinion.
t. Holofag I ain't watching shit debut. Giving a few weeks in to check out their real content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737866
Cuz they're watching the stream newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>3752877
Obvious shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>3744488
get new management

[Anonymous No.]

>>3752345
First two were fairly getting good live viewers, but not enough to disrupt Gura and Ame's random podcast, so they had to fake a technical issue and delay the last one for bigger numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>3753609
What was the peak for the two? Still think them debuting when Holo was pulling out their big guns was a mistake since it was not only Gura but Ame too, made it pretty much a mega mogger for anyone who don't have a super dedicated fanbase. Then we have Coco doing her shit.
If they really did delayed the mermaid's debut, I guess I would chalk it up as the smartest thing they've done all day as well as either retardation or favoritism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3753884
Peko is also streaming atm

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
>people waiting for an already long-established vtuber with a large fanbase
>people waiting for some literal who who barely has a fanbase yet
>Nijisanji still largely unknown to the west on top of that
Gee wonder why

[Anonymous No.]

Why are Holofags so insecure? This is getting embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3753884
Debut Numbers
Elira: 15.8k - post debut sub(24k) 14.9k peak
Pomu: 14.4k - post debut sub(20.2k) 12.3k peak
Finana: 22.4k debut skipped

Post collab:
Elira: 27.8k
Pomu: 25.9k
Finana: 32.7k

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>>3738415
If they were rival companies Nijisanji and Hololive wouldn’t stream together. Hell, Minako Aqua follows Kanae and Kuzuha on Twitter while Mori follows Kuzuha. Bet Calli could even get a collab with him if she asked.

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>>3740812
>Improvised
Anonchama...I don't even really like nijisanji but Ame has been planning this podcast for so fucking long that her delaying it every week became a meme
It is not all "improvised"

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
An eye for an eye. That's what Nijifags get for harassing Aloe the Sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>3754070
Jesus, might as well just do a public execution. I'm not really sure why they chose today of all days for their debuts. When I heard the EN was announced I thought they at least take a week or 2 to gather up more subs and then release on a good day when nobody is around. Hell, it would have been okay if it was just Gura streaming but during a GurAme zatsudon and Holo extravaganza was just too much. But I see that they at least did decent even then so, I guess that's a success?

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>>3754359
>I'm not really sure why they chose today of all days for their debuts.
Why not? There is literally not a day where there wouldn’t be stream overlaps. Maybe they chose a time and date that was convenient for all the members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3754297
Not bad but was that just sub numbers? I meant live viewer numbers. Least they're doing better and given more attention than fucking KR. How the new KR debuts were brought out and treated was just sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3754494
>Elira 14.9k peak
>Pomu 12.3k peak
Those are the live viewer numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738172
Remember what Nijifag took from us

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>>3754432
I mean, Saturday isn't bad (Sunday on JP time anyway) but still think another day would have been better. Not about overlapping but more being put with people who are certified big moggers for EOP viewers. Any extra week for subs and advertisement would have been good is all I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738172
Uto holding a steady 2k in the face of all this was pretty impressive. I was so focused on the podcast though that even I nearly forgot she was streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>Waited half a year for 3 members
>Debuts against GurAme and Meme Review
>A member couldn't even have a proper debut
Yeah, these will be forgotten once HoloStars Gen 4 is announced, not a typo, Stars Gen 4 should be the next Cover announcement before JP6, ID3, EN Vsinger and EN2 since they had their auditions in 2020 and they'll destroy NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>3750645
>common sense prevailed and they RESCHEDULED.
>"Ha! Take that you losers! We're not that incompetent"

[Anonymous No.]

>>3754868
We're not getting Gen 6 anytime soon when you have to measure how massive Hololive has become since last year and take Aloe's incident into consideration.

Maybe they'll have a go at a HoloKR audition somewhere at the end of this year but nobody wants to touch that country with a stick considering how it went for Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741173
you are injecting the copium straight into your veins now huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>3755702
What happened with NijiKR?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3755702
Anon, HoloJP has permanently open auditions: https://www.hololive.tv/bosyu
Direct link to the audition: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScMqA2waFXgE868VpM8keCdWaKjlOWsD3TgD2hsSqev6bE-Zw/viewform

[Anonymous No.]

>>3755901
Waste. Mana Alice didn't even want to be part of that dumpster fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
We push the fish yea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3755901
NijiKR already had quite a few graduations.
A few due to drama and the rest because Nijisanji didn't do their homework and hired people who didn't do their military service yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756341
>didn't do their military service yet

The fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756341
that and also they just straight-up merged with an existing vtuber company. didn't opsec or anything so bullying yab happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756384
Why the hell are you surprised? This is probably the same department who think Poo-in-Loo land is viable market for vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756384
Koreans got mandatory military service apparently

[Anonymous No.]

>>3755702
I'm an intern at Hololive for 2 months already. I've leaked some information about outfit reveals into this board a few times already and I can say now that expect something big in June and announcement in July

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756564
Big reason why a lot of esports pros in south korea have to retire

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756384
Korean males have to do mandatory military service at a certain age, even kpop boyband dudes take extended breaks for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738936
When you're so desperate you gotta suck on that chink dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756384
They live next to North Korea.

"Korean protagonist in college after returning from military" is the Korean equivalent of the Japanese high school, desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741173
>Lets oversaturate our own talents so only the top 10 get consistently good views while the other 30+ get literal 3 digits

Amazingly brilliant strategy, clearly they're winning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741449
A third of the vtubers but still getting more views and subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756045
Alice, ENA, and Lucia all had their 541 designs done by Moarin, who refused to let them keep the designs if they joined NijiKR. Pretty big part to leave out there instead of not wanting to join.

>>3756384
>>3756483
Their application for NijiKR actually requires you to have done military service already. For some reason they just assumed? that the other company would have already done the background checks, but it turns out they didn't, because the same person doing the recruiting was the bully. That merge was just an absolutely shitshow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756584
I'll believe this rrat if you tell me what's HoloEN announcement in 2 weeks that Gura hinted at

[Anonymous No.]

>>3754557
That’s not bad. Its what I expected, although they would have probably gotten more on a netter schedule and probably another week to prepare. I still think they got rushed out too soon, ironically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756613
>>3756699
I heard its just mostly basic training and military duties, nothing too serious. I don’t remember how long they have to serve for, cause I thought it was only a few months?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3757428
18 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738099
unironicaly, yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756584
No need to leak. Hololive's hype level is already pretty high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756584
Everybody already knows about Vsingers and HoloEN2, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3757819
There are 3 other announcements on the same level as those. I'm surprised they're even trying to fit them in two months

[Anonymous No.]

>>3757955
HololiveIN LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737314
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>3757955
Anon, HoloAlt news drops next week and whatever big announcement drops after the 1st gen concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3757526
That’s not too bad. About a year and few months, although I’m not sure if they get sent out for actual combat or something. But I had a few friends and teachers from SK that talked about it, that its not really anything dangerous or too terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>Already making Bank
And their fans don't have to give money to Jewgle either. like holofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>3758046
Do you think they pay the ads from the ceo own money? JP Nijifags indirectly paid jewtube to shill EN branch to Holofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>3758046
based. I'll donate by saying "taiwan is number 1" then chargeback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3758390
While indirectly paying Cover with ad revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741449
30 hologirls going against 150+ vtubers if we combine them all and fucking destroying them in 2 years is amazing.
you would think this is a fluke but the girls of hololive have incredible competetive numberfagging spirit, they get jelly, they cry about wanting to be an idol and cry when they dont get a 3D or when they do get one etc etc.

this may look cringe but that's the reason hololive will always beat nijis. its unironically about SOUL. your better 3D tech cant save you when the human element lacks behind that 2D animation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3759877
>hololive
>SOUL
Pick one

[Anonymous No.]

>>3759974
So how are those 50 APEXtubers going, nijibro

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760054
50? If there's 15 it's already too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3759974
you cant make fun of hololive for inferior rigging of their models and then claim they arent SOUL, you pathetic faggot.
be consistent

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760149
>you
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760054
Do you have problem with Apex, motherfucker?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756879
It’s not like everyone in Hololive is doing well either. Hololive has over 40 talents but all anyone talks about is the top what.. 15-20 of them while everyone else is pretty much ignored. Sora and Towa’s channels look like they’re mostly dying outside of collab streams. Nene averages the lower end of 100k views on her VODs and has even less live viewers. And since you Holofags wanna talk about Nijisanjis flop branches, what about Hololive ID? Moona has 600k subscribers but no amount of viewers to match it. Pavolia too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760149
Sweatshop chinksubbers and scatman were pretty soulful parts of their incline I'll give you that

[Anonymous No.]

List of dying Hololive channels by Gen:

“Rules” being that if they can consistently average at least over 100k views on their VODs then people still have interest in them. 100k is pretty pathetic if they have nearly or over a million followers but I’m being generous since Vtubers struggle to rake in the same views normal streamers do in general unless you’re Gura I guess.
>everyone in Gen 0 except Suisei and Miko
>everyone in Gen 1 except Haachama and Fubuki
>Choco
>Mio (recent streams seen a dip but she might be safe. Might just be the games she’s playing)
>Flare (Maybe...)
>Towa
>Luna
> Polka (Maybe. Like Flare her views are all over the place. Might just depend on what she plays)
>all of Hololive Indonesia
which shows that Hololive clout can only get you so far. Ollie is seemingly the only one who can make a comeback depending on what she streams
>All of holostars, probably the reason people assume male Vtubers can’t be popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
detective watson wins again

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760866
With Gura’s help, if it was just her streaming she’d get 68k views just like her last stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3754868
more stars gens is pretty unlikely, I can see Cover shilling the actual ones instead of bringing new ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760809
>Flare
>the 9th more SCd vtuber of all time
>dying
Numberfagchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
you see, those are waiting numbers op. show us the live viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>3758015
>and whatever big announcement drops after the 1st gen concert
a concert for gen 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760809
Damn, if these people are dying then Nijipeople including the top ones are all mummified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760947
Nice cope right here

[Anonymous No.]

>>3752240
is a debuff if they dont stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>3761084
This also

[Anonymous No.]

>>3761068
Did her stream right before that one not get 68k views?
>>3761052
>Kuzuha at 442k views on a recent Apex stream of all things
Yeah he’s definitely dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760969
You can have dedicated fans who regularly send you a shit load of money and still have a dying channel. I also said maybe based on her views.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit nijikeks are coping so hard, how does it feel knowing that your complete effort as a community to attack Hololive is worthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>3761911
This.
The debuts failed. call it what it is but we all know niji botted their own talents and the views show it. nijien just isn't worth what they put into it no need to make up success for the nijicope.

[Anonymous No.]

feels so damn good to be on the winning team (hololive)
anyone else lurks the losers' (nijiggers) thread and savor in their cope?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3761911
>>3763607
>s-s-shut up mizuryukek yab definitely did massive damage to cover reputation. Cover will fall anytime now definitely.
t. seething nijifags probably

[Anonymous No.]

>numbers in the op
>200 replies from mentally insane south east asian manlets with microdicks
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>3752877
They aren't a flop, but the people billing them as somehow competitors to holoEN are forever BTFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760292
There's not a single hololive big even stream that gets below 25k viewers and most of them get several times their regular streaming numbers. On the other hand you have nijisanji whose members stream all over everyone else's big events and even Lulu couldn't get more than 13k for her new outfit reveal

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737731
>>3737713
I think he/she means most of them are from shithole countries/SEA viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3763607
Yeah i'm here to see their pathetic cope, so damn funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>3741087
>Kwappers gets in EN2 and ends up mogging the nijis, the Vwhores, & her squad (the Africats and Nina)
Would she be able to deal with the new found success?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3766053
Getting a lot of views on big events doesn't matter if your average is shit. Lulu gets more viewers on average than Kiara, Ina and even Mori at times

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Why are you comparing these two? We all know niji is unknown to the majority of holoen viewers, at best the only vtubers they know are ame and gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760292
Holy cope lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>3766289
I am sure none of them would mind her success and would cheer for her in the first row. I guarantee ya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3738036
what site is this fren?
been looking for a place to check avg viewers of certain streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3765616
>Muh seaniggers boogeyman
The seaniggers might have microdicks but god damn did they fuck the brain out of your head and live rent-free in there

[Anonymous No.]

>>3766711
Why wouldn't you compare the two? They are supposed to be the pepsi and coke of the vtubing world, not to mention every time the subject of numbers are brought up it's always Niji vs holo. You guys just don't like getting dumpstered on now that you're clearly on the losing end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
Give Aloe back and maybe one day they will hit 10k... maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

If they'd streamed on twitch their debuts would have gotten raided by every vtuber out there
Instead they chose the platform where hololive will cannibalize all their viewers
Once again JP companies proving how retarded and out of touch they are

[Anonymous No.]

I will report my observations of Japan.

First of all, the attention level is so low that it's almost not a topic of conversation. The people who are watching are Niji fans who don't watch the holos at all.
This is a lack of advertising by Niji Sanji.
After that, the buzz is also low. In the case of Hololive EN, they appealed for uniqueness with the exception of Kiara, which was not the case (this also applies to Hololive id).
This is why the content of the broadcast didn't attract much attention, and the appearance of fish talk and Kiryu tag-team meme drew attention and created a lackluster image.
As a result, the summary sites reported it as a failure based on the numbers.

Unlike you, it hasn't been talked about in the first place, but it has been announced that a Japanese study group will be held, and this will be its unveiling in Japan.
If the Japanese study doesn't become a hot topic, the number of listeners in Japan will not increase. How many Japanese language study clippings for Japanese people are released in a week will be the barometer of a hit in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769108
if only fish manage to debut, she would blow everyone away and turn nijien into smashing success

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
I have no interests in anyone except hololive. I would watch the debuts but We have been on Gura drought for days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769108
Thanks nip bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769108
I think it highlights the big difference between the two fanbases.
HoloJP fanbase will give foreign branches a chance and watch them.
NijiJP fanbase doesn't really give a shit about their foreign branches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769421
Heck half the time they can't be bothered with other Niji jps. Which makes sense given how many of them there are.
Sometimes Nijisanji really feels more like a vtuber union rather than a single group under a single brand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769108
Thank you Japanese bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769108
>they appealed for uniqueness with the exception of Kiara
BASED NIPPON BROS

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769187
In Japan, the fish is not even known to have skipped its debut.
If you're not careful, even fans of the Niji Sanji group don't know about it.

Some say that the lack of men is a failure. We won't know for sure until we try this, but I think it would have had the potential to be a smash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769628
>In Japan, the fish is not even known to have skipped its debut.
So this is the power of the biggest vtuber company in japan...

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>>3769452
They're way too large to forge any sort of unity like Hololive has.
Hololive really benefited from having people at the top (CEO, Sora/Fubuki) promoting a sense of unity among the talents early on.
Nijisanji has what, over 180 active livers total now?
And even then majority of them can't break 4 digit live viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769689
is it to late to change?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769949
It would cause a lot of internal drama among those who don't mesh well if the company suddenly started forcing unity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769108
Thanks for the insight
>Japanese study group
Looks like NijiEN will try to appeal to JPbros as well like nijiKR. This isn't ideal and saturates the JP market even more. I'm honestly thankful chuuba otakus haven't collapsed yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769689
>180 fucking vtubers
I still can't believe this is a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769421
>>3769452
I think these two perspectives are perceptive.

Niji Shinji has been reluctant to tap into overseas markets, both for the artists themselves and for the listeners.
They saw themselves as popular in Japan and didn't want a hololive where Twitter and comments were filled with English.
The result is now.
There were no Nijisanji fans interested in the EN debut.

While Koko Kiryu was establishing "overseas nikki" on reddit broadcasts and creating an air of brotherhood, what was Niji-sanji doing?
We were playing baseball games instead of Koshien, which is a major summer event in Japan, and doing nothing but Apex tournaments in Japan.

It's a contrast that the holo-live is still doing "English study in plain clothes" for everyone while the female top executives are still putting out "3D message game videos where you can't understand English".
The chairman of the committee got the go-ahead for that video.

You are also right that they are like a union, and I get the impression that their team management is not very good.
This is the reason why there are not many so-called "tete-a-tetes", and the impression that they are a group of individuals and get along well is only generated by the people who play Apex.
This time, Niji-sanji EN is unusually unified, so I think it deserves my attention.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770598
>translated by Deepl

Based

Thanks for the hard work Nip bro

Nijisanji pandering hard to Japanese bit them in the ass in the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770598
>>3770645
It seems like very standard Japanese business mentality where regions outside of Japan might as well not exist. Especially if they're successful domestically.
Not sure why Japanese businesses haven't figured out that the western market is super lucrative and receptive of Japanese products.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760809
>>Choco
She got her main schtick nerfed by youtube. Its not her fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>3769949
I don't think they'll ever change it, the "loose collection of individual vtubers" concept is fundamental to their business model and it workee dor them for the most part

[Anonymous No.]

It's honestly complete fucking horseshit that cover let ame and gura debut a new podcast over the nijien debut. Just went and backstabbed niji after all they did for holopro

[Anonymous No.]

funny how you fags are trying to paint this as a failure when their music vid is at 100k already but I guess holofags want to doompost since they don't want this to succeed it already has but theres a whole load of cope which is funny to see

[Anonymous No.]

Seeing Nijifags cope and seethe is funny.

[Anonymous No.]

Are holofags really trying to paint this as a failure? are they that scared or someshit? nijisanjiEN won't reach 1 mil subs so why with all the doomposting.

also it reached 100k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnP0cKNPE04

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770968
>cover let ame and gura debut a new podcast over the nijien debut
nice bait. doubt if anybody in Cover knew about the debut.
>>3760809
>“Rules” being that if they can consistently average at least over 100k views
Why is this the rule?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3766370
>Lulu gets more viewers on average than Kiara,
This is easily disproved just by looking at their channels. Only superchat readings and extremely shit games ever get Kiara below 100k views. Meanwhile Lulu is getting below 100k on RE8 and Monster Hunter streams or all things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771008
Anon....they also post the MV in the ads

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771123
>>3771363

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771363
>>3771386
Did you fags forget that SSS was also put on ads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770372
I feel that I need to be aware of JP for my EN.
I think one of the things that made Hololive successful was the attitude of the non-English speaking distributors who didn't casually disparage the foreign nikis. If Gura or Watson used Japanese sometimes, there would be "Japanese nikis" on the contrary.
This action is necessary. It is an important element and an innovation that has not been seen in Japanese anime until now.

Moving on to the part about JP being saturated, this is actually saturated at this stage, so there is no need to worry about that.
Only the most serious fans of Nijiji know that there are more than 100 people in Nijiji.
Even the number of people in Hololive is too large, and there are members who are not known.
And there are already many more groups and individuals than that.
But the majority in Japan are called "V people". Neither Hololive nor Niji-sanji can be identified.
Even I, who have been writing about it for a long time, can clearly tell if it is Hololive or not, but I don't think I can judge the inconspicuous people and individuals of Niji-sanji.

In this situation, Nijiji EN needs to increase its recognition in Japan.
...By the way, it's likely that I'll be recognized as a Japanese male idol fan, just like Anya from Hololive.U-m

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770598
Thanks Nip bro, I really appreciate your perspective here.

As for the nijiEN matter, I think they are taking cues from HoloEN in that groups with that kind of camaraderie tend to keep the audience within the circle rather than branching out to other entertainers without that sense of camaraderie. The new NijiKR branch seems to be quite close knit as well compared to debuts in the past.

Only time will tell if they intend to keep this going forward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771440
If it did, it reached those who cares. If this board is any Indication, the ads reached people who dont care or have hostile reception

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771484
Huh, that's an interesting contrast. In the west, Vtubers and Hololive are almost synonymous. Almost everyone here would be able to identify a holo on sight, even if they don't know much about them, and even fans of other vtubers would generally be familiar with Hololive first before branching out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770968
The podcast had been in the planning for weeks now and it was announced like 2 hours after the NijiEN reveal. Also, even if they didn't do the podcast Merbrap's debut would have been absolutely mogged by meme review, whicb has been done on the same time slot every week for several months now.

Niji just didn't give a fuck, seeing how they also had a fucking separate comentary stream with Hana siphoning 5k viewers from the actual debut streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770598
>This is the reason why there are not many so-called "tete-a-tetes", and the impression that they are a group of individuals and get along well is only generated by the people who play Apex.
Sanbaka? Chronoir? Crossick? GunKan? Well, ship is dead so HoshiMirei I guess. EbiMaru? RoaBanderas? GweluRirimu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771877
Not many comparatively i think. I mean if we look at Holo En alone you can make so many pairing variation which now that i think of it makes me wonder why im in this community when i hate shipping so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771008
>when their music vid is at 100k already
Regular-ass Holoen streams hit that many views before the stream ends. 100k is a pitiful number for a song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760964
They've literally already done the auditions

[Anonymous No.]

>>3772230
they didnt

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771754
This is a condition that is unique to Japan, and in Japan, KizunaAI is first and foremost "V=Kizuna Ai.
Therefore, there is a tendency to categorize people like Kizuna Ai.

It took a long time for the organization to become outstanding.
The reason why NijiSanji is still considered to be on par with Hololive in Japan is because it was the first group in Japan to have successful members (Committee Chairman, Honjima, Gibara, etc.). Also, as I mentioned earlier, Niji Shinji was very much focused on the Japanese market, so it is commonly believed that the official reddit and Kiryu Koko's Hololive, which developed from it, were the first to expand overseas.

This is why, for example, "Mikoti put a book in the fridge! or "Kuzuha danced another inappropriate haka! or "Kuzuha danced another inappropriate haka!
"Another vtuber has caused an incident?
If you're not familiar with the topic, you're likely to think, "Another vtuber incident.
So the fans of each group or individual would say, "Don't lump us all together! That's not who my group is! This tends to lead to more fights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771783
>Niji just didn't give a fuck
Honestly, I’m beginning to entertain the thought that it was made to fail. Not because they hate the market, but for corporate face saving. If the NijiENs numbers were shit, the manager can easily point that they threw the chuubas to the wolves with that timeslot. If they were mildly successful, they can call it a major victory against a strong opponent. Of course, Fina’s tech problems brought the egg back on their faces so their manager is probably still on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771517
>I think they are taking cues from HoloEN in that groups with that kind of camaraderie tend to keep the audience within the circle rather than branching out to other entertainers without that sense of camaraderie
The problem is that the growth will be slow if they're introducing it just then. As >>3770598 said, since westerners didn't really know much about nijisanji, it's debut had okay-ish numbers, but nothing as record-breaking as holoEN.
Reminds me of an anecdote about how some chinese supplement literally took over the market and had like 100 times the number of orders that the better opposing forecasts gave them. It turned out that the company that sold them had been doing subtle marketing for well over a year, and when the product came out, it blew everyone else's expectations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3773941
god i fucking love the fish

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771517
This time, I think I've tried to make it more like Hololive in the way I've tried to create relationships.
I think it's a good change.

Personally, my worst future is participating in the Apex CR Cup.
Now Nijiji is using Apex too much to create relationships, so I can only pray that it doesn't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774132
The dragon outright said she has no interest in apex, and Apex doesn't fly well with western audiences anyway so I doubt it'll be a thing anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774176
As you said, Apex is not popular in English-speaking countries, but it is of great interest to Nijiji and other unpopular individuals.
Also, this apex tournament in Japan sometimes invites women to join the team for an advantage.

In other words, even dragons might say, "I was invited by a popular senior, so I might as well join. I don't know.
And then, once they decided to join, they would practice every day.
If that happens, the English-speaking world will avoid you, and Japan will stop watching you after the tournament is over, so it's hopeless.
I think that Niji Shinji should be added to the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3773308
>>3774582
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us nip bro, your perspective is really appreciated. It's nice to have some discussion with someone actually familiar with the climate in Japan rather than just the usual shitflinging that goes on around these parts.

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>>3773308
>in Japan, KizunaAI is first and foremost "V=Kizuna Ai.
Fun thing I watched nearly all holo girls trip up in the vtuber skit in kuukiyomi because it says vchuuba rather than virtual youtuber, her intro is that notorious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774713
No it's because it's "vtsuba" or something like that. You'd take a moment to process too if a can said caka cola in a video game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774582
If the new Niji collab already or something I will officially consider them dead and doom. With each other in EN might be fine, tho still too soon, but with other branches like the more popular ones then its over. But I seriously hope that won’t be the case for now.
Has the fish even debuted yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774582
I would appreciate a tournament arc if it for games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros. like the Holos one but Apex is just not appealing at all to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774582
Thanks for the insight jap bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>3774582
Well it's not really that it's not popular it's just that it's not 2019 anymore, the peak of fortnite and Apex has passed, and its surprising to me that no one in jp has really tried warzone yet, especially the La-lion.

Once again Japan is too slow to grab the "next big thing" just like hololive was too slow to jump in the among us trend (the first ones were the homos and coco before the yab) they'll be too slow to ride the gtaRp one. Even the French got a few servers set up that boost their viewerships to the high skies and these mods have been around for years

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737471
Bitch, Holotalks, Fishtank and Meme Review were both announced a week in advance, and two of them are usually on a sunday. They could've easily all 3 by having basal knowledge of the Hololive's scheduling and moving it to a Saturday, or a Friday evening, which would have been better anyway since it wouldn't have excluded Euros with work on Monday. Niji genuinely didn't have an excuse. They're either deliberately sabotaging EN so they don't have to try again, or they genuinely lack even basic intel on the market they're appealing to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737280
OH NO NO HOLO BROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771008
godly cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>3789498
Well, we are talking about the same company who thought there was an untapped market for vtubers in india.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3795647
And then lazily rebranded them as NijiEN once it turns out that no, pajeets do not in fact have time for vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3801567
Then rebranded them again back to the same poo in the loo market that they knew was already a failure. Gotta make sure to make sure that first mistake is a real mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

Talking about india, i'm actually curious at how well are japanese media like anime/games/vn doing in indian market. I mean they compete with china in terms of population numbers with 1.4 billions of people, if only 1% of population watch anime, that's more than enough to justify an existing market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3801836
There is a decent anime community in india, but the thing about india is that A) it's quite culturally differentiated. There's like four different languages across the subcontinent and the different regions all kinda hate each other. The upshot is that you can't really appeal to the entire country, you need to find a region to target, and nijisanji failed to do that. B) large portions of the country are just at or even below the poverty line. They have practical concerns to adress before they can even think about watching vtubers, especially spending hours at a time following them.

Between those two factors, the anime community in india is probably about the same size as that of a mid sized American city. Which might have been able to keep NijiIN afloat if they managed to capture a significant chunk of it, but NijiIN suffered from the usual nijisaji foreign branch issue of being extremely shit at generating hype and securing mindspace in a foreign market. Maybe if they went full in with the ad campaign the same way they did with actual NijiEN they might be able to scrape something together, but they didn't, and you know how it ended up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3801836
Well, the NijiINs love viewers were in the triple and even double digits, so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760292
>Nene averages the lower end of 100k views on her VODs and has even less live viewers.
YouTube pays $18 per 1,000 ad views on average. At 100,000 views, assuming there's only one ad view counted, that's $1,800. Those VODs normally have multiple ads on them. Note that YouTube doesn't take a cut from ads since those ads are already paid for by advertisers and the fees involving them are covered in said payments, so that's likely only split between Cover and the girls.

The average video gets much less than 100k views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3802214
Noor's average live viewerships was like, 40 something. The other two streamed maybe once a week to like 10 people. The only stream that got significant numbers was their graduation stream and even that didn't break four digits, even with all the eop saviourfags showing up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770732
Because normally they license out their work and only collect royalties on it, which is pretty much peanuts to them. Notice that the biggest product exporters from Japan all happen to be major fashion brands and video game companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3760292
nijicope

[Anonymous No.]

>>3756879
Most of their JP talent are above 1k.

>>3769108.>>3770598
Anyone could write like a retard and call themselves japanese.And even if you're japanese, you're clearly a holofag.

>>3771877
Funny how this retard and all the other imbeciles responding to him ignore those and many others that are close, plus Niji ID and all the other branches which are

>>3774582
SHUT THE FUCK UP HOLOFAG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3770598
>>3771517
Those "groups with camaradarie" are a thing for Nijisanji for years. NijiID with all their waves are like that, same for many waves in Japan who debuted together like Sanbaka and Nijisanji Gamers.

It's insane how you and this jap retard act like hololive is the only one with this when

>>3771783
Or they tried an experiment, which did well as most people were watching both streams.

>>3795647
>>3801567
>>3801697
It was a terrible decision and gladly they shut down it but it's better that than to kill an entire branch like HoloCN due to vtubers sending harassement to others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3795647
there is. you just need blonde white women to be voicing it and make sure the indians know hence the success of hololive en

[Anonymous No.]

>>3803364
>>3803528
>>3803546
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>3803364
>>3803528
>>3803546
Holy mother of nijicope

You OK there, bud?

[Anonymous No.]

>my soulless megacorp is better
>no, MY soulless megacorp is better
can't you just cease the tribalfaggotry and simply enjoy the chuubas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3803364
>>3803528
>>3803546
BEHOLD, PURE CONCENTRATED NIJICOPE

[Anonymous No.]

>>3804046
This. Just watch indies. Watching corpos is like being a Blizzard or Marvel fan. Doesn't matter if they are popular, they are still shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3804046
>>3804576
>Cover Corp
>AnyColor/Ichikara
>megacorp
Megacorporations have a defined characteristic that classify them as such: a) possess wealth beyond compare, and b) have their own militia capable of enforcing their law and thus ignore government law. While nowadays private companies aren't able conduct law enforcement, you could argue that certain conglomerates have enough influence in the world to qualify as mega-corps, and VTubers tech companies are not even close to that level. But I guess when all you do is swim in sewage even a swamp can be called a clear water lake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3804974
get diagnosed lad

[Anonymous No.]

>>3805164
What? Is critical thinking too bad of a mental disease for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3805331
You literally pulled out cyberpunk shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>3805373
You got called out for using a word incorrectly. Learn english, retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megacorporation

[Anonymous No.]

>>3805961
you really suck at reading social cues, don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3737208
mutts are really so fucking casual that they can only consume and value aaa garbage. they scream about diversity but when actual diversity comes there they refuse it.

this is why japnaese media has beat the shit out of your garbage media. it will never recover. literally japan will eat your shit up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3803364
>>3803528
>>3803546
NIJISEETHE

[Anonymous No.]

>>3803364
Too bad Nijifaggot. (You) cannot win here
So just go back to your Nijinigger clips and boast about how great Nijinigger is, while shitting on Hololive. just like how u faggots been doing ever since Hololive existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3771877
Only Chronoir and Lize are relevant nowadays, with Toko as a honorary mention because of her higher than average superchat. No one cares about those ships now other than a small amount of mentally ill viewers but those are not paying customers. Hell, they don't even watch the stream, they just jerk themselves off drawing arts of their ships in their private circle.