/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Those of you who dropped Kronii or Ame after they collabed with Tempus, where are you now? Are you enjoying your new oshi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
I only watch Irys and Gura, the other members are not worth watching anymore. I'm watching Twitch streamers since EN is getting less and less active and more boring.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm watching Phase Connect and I'm very happy thank you. Panko is super cute and Lia is… unique. Yeah.

I stopped watching Myth around that time, but not because of Tempus (I don't care either way.) They just stopped being funny, cute and became boring.

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>>37153552
do you watch Tob?

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>>37153398
I dropped Ame after the infamous Q&A stream. It was a decision that I made with a heavy heart, but I am certain that it was the right one. I didn't really feel like she appreciated her fans like she used to before tempus were announced, so it was a bit more than just male collabs that made me drop her. I switched over to Gura, which felt only natural to me, because she has always been my second favorite. I've been really happy so far. Sure, she doesn't stream that much, but when she does it is usually high quality, and I don't have to worry about her even acknowledging the existence of homos. I used to somewhat keep up with all of EN, but nowadays Gura is the only holo I regularly watch. I might put Polka or Luna on in the background while I do other stuff, but that's about it. Instead I began watching Pippa and Lumi from Phase Connect, as well as Shondo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
People who dropped Ame after Tempus bullshit are weak little faggots. She literally fawned over bossu's 3D reveal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
I still watch them but mostly don't if they collab with you know who.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
I am going back to anime and manga

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>>37154410
I'm not up to date anon, what else did she say in that q&a? I saw a clip where she said she's not very colab focused, is that the q&a you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37154437
JP stars are cool, literally everyone wants their dicks, while the whole Tempus is cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153979
are you the gay teamate I used hit on in /pcg/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37155120
It's the one where "improve yourself" comes from.

[Anonymous No.]

I dropped Ame before HomoEN was a thing. I never picked up Kronii

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>>37153979
Phase gen 2 are just budget Council so I get where you're coming from.

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>>37153398
I watch Gura, and other ENs only when Shart is offline
After Tempus I lost the will to check on the rest of them except Fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
Still watching picrel. Happy there’s still a lotta content within HoloEN worth watching.

Also, managing time to watch streams is a lot better now than before when I tried to watch everything live all the time. And have more free time to play games and read manga(and of course browse this hell hole to get my news and going ons with the rest of HL & HoloEN)

[Anonymous No.]

>>37156140 (me)
>picrel

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>>37153398
Yeah, I switched to Gura, fauna and koyori

Way happier, I just wish gura consistently streamed but whatever I can get it’s always a fun time

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>>37153979
>I'm watching Phase Connect
What a weird move

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>>37153398
I still watch Ame but I'm more willing to skip streams. Been watching some IRyS, Ina and Fauna. But since they went on break I've been trying Selen, she's sometimes fun but not really my fav.

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>>37158390
Small corpos appreciate their fans more.

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>>37153398
In fact I feel that I'm enjoying Gura, Fauna and Mumei more than I used to. I even started watching the Phase girls too and I'm loving them as well.
Thank you Ame, maybe I really did improve myself by dropping you.

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>>37153398
I dropped Ame when she started doing that tummy hort bullshit. Nowadays I'm pretty happy watching Gura, Fauna and Moomsters.

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>>37153398
>where are you now
Watching Fauna and Ami from Tsun. I bounced around between different Holos for a bit and Fauna ended up hitting a lot of boxes for me.
>Are you enjoying your new oshi
Neither of them are my oshi, I just like their content. I don't think you choose your oshi, I didn't choose Ame, it just happened during her first karaoke. It was just an immediate feeling of "yeah I could literally listen to this girl forever and enjoy every second". Haven't had that for anyone else.
Fwiw I didn't drop her because of the homo collabs, I didn't like them and I wasn't gonna watch them, but it was her attitude about it all and I can't see it as anything other than spiteful. She made it clear that if you're against her homo collabs she has no interest in you being part of her audience. Hurts but I'm not gonna watch someone who doesn't want me there.

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>>37159128
Sure, but you chose phase cucknect..

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>>37159608
>it was her attitude about it all
That's how I saw it too, instead of saying something like "Give it a try, it might be fun" or "Support Hololive unity" it was "You should improve yourself instead of questioning me"
It didn't help that she never made a schedule and her two dozen Elden Ring streams were fairly unremarkable to me

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>>37153398
I dropped Ame when she acknowledged that homos existed and donate half my income to Gura every month to spite reddit.
So glad that anti tempiss chuubas are the top earners.

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>>37159608
>>37160058
You two unironically improved yourselves and moved on from someone who doesn't respect you anymore. The irony being the people who loved that phrase changed nothing and just became bigger yesmen in chat.

[Anonymous No.]

I watch Gura, Kawaii's Nene and Phase Connect's Remilia. I'm doing well, thanks for asking.

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>>37161249
>>37159583
>>37159608
>>37160058
>>37159291
Try it again without the seething, anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37161336
go back sucking Tempiss cocks, we don't want whores here Ame

[Anonymous No.]

>>37161336
Don't worry, I might go back to her if she spends at least a few months without doing stars collabs.

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>>37161336
You're supposed to be happy that people improved themselves like ame wanted.
You still seething because people dropped her in doing so tells me that you should improve yourself instead.

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>>37161336
>Who did you drop my Oshi for?
*Anons give reasonable responses*
>you're s-seething!
Wipe your eyes, Teafriend. They moved on and found others they prefer. You just come across as incredibly insecure. Doubly so if you're the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
I'll preface this by saying that neither Ame or Kronii were my oshi (that honor belongs to Gura), but Ame was initially my 2nd favorite from Myth and Kronii was my no1 from Council.

I was member on Ame's channel for a while but gave it up when I realized I wasn't watching her that much. I did still watch her occasionally though.

Gave up on Ame and Kronii pretty much completely after the Tempus bullshit and Fauna and IRyS have done a more than admirable job filling the void. Ame and Kronii are pretty gimmicky and one dimensional anyways. When Ame isn't raging she's boring af, and all Kronii has going for her is the voice. She's cringe otherwise (and not in a good way).

[Anonymous No.]

>dropping Ame
im not an incel, but i understand if it hurt the unicorns. Our chat is much better without the likes of Gabe

[Anonymous No.]

>western fans
>dropping their oshi
lmao. that requires having self-respect, anon. 99% of them get mad for a week and then come back as if nothing happened

[Anonymous No.]

She was never my oshi but I did watch her more than enough. I tried shit tons of indies, kawaii, phase and even AkioAir but in the end the best choice was HoloJp. Now I’m happy, and with this Lamy 3D live/show I’m in fucking heaven. So thanks Ame I found happiness I didn’t know that existed.

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>>37165545
>Our chat is much better
The funniest part is Ame STILL shits on her chat endlessly and takes her anger out on you cucks. No matter how much you celebrate her flirting with dudes you'll always be the punching bag.

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>>37165545
>Our chat is much better without the likes of Gabe
Amen to that, that sperging cuck faggot still won't move on after all the butthurt if his twitter is anything to go by.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37165545
No one liked gabe, but Kroniig keep on feeding his ego.

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>>37153398
They still watch their streams, but pretend on /vt/ that they don't

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>>37156154

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>>37153398
I didn't drop Ame for that, I dropped her for falling off in early 2021. Turns out switching to Nyanners was not a great idea.

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>>37168638
>I didn't drop Ame for that, I dropped her for falling off in early 2021.
this, anyone sticking around with Ame after she stopped giving a shit in 2021 must be into findom or something, I just don't get it

and yes, I am enjoying my new oshi and the small corpo scene a lot, thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>37159662
Let me guess, you watch Production Kawaii instead

[Anonymous No.]

used to watch ame but dropped her around early 2022
tried to watch smaller corpos and indies but they were just doing/copying what holo/niji does so it got boring pretty fast.
watched ina before she went hiatus and also fauna and mumei.
still watch and follow most of holojp

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>>37167879
He's talking about Kronii though. I'm a new kronie but I've never seen her shit on her chat like what Ame does (even if that's mostly banter anyway.) IMO Kronii talks to her chat in a very mature and respectful way during member streams and superchat readings

[Anonymous No.]

Genuine question, has anyone gone past cycling through a new streamer to watch and given up on vtubing altogether? If so, what have you chosen as your new hobby?

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>>37153398
Former day 1 teamate here. Never gave a shit about Kronii. I dropped Ame well before her Tempus simping - wasnt 1 major thing more like death by a thousand cuts.. went from watching every stream and SCing, to only watching some and never SCing, to dropping her and membership completely. Now im watching a Japanese hag who streams everyday, sometime twice a day, and is fully bilingual. Life is good except for the 5am stream times.

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii's schizo fanbase on /vt/ is more entertaining than she is. Sad.

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>>37155389
I dropped Ame even before that, wtf happened in that q&a, is the vod still alive?

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>>37169399
I'm almost there. Im currently just cycling through gfe chuubas to fill the void but if i ever find a good social outlet i would probably stop watching chuubas entirely. They don't interest me as much anymore unless i can pretend shes my psuedo girlfriend and i'm slowly trying to get back into anime

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>>37153398
I learned Japanese and transcended

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>>37154410
>I began watching Pippa

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>>37153398
I dropped Kronii because of how quickly things went downhill after she had such a great anniversary filled with promises to do even better in the future.
Tempiss came along and after being lied to 3 times in a row by Kronii herself and getting accused of being an incel unicorn by all of her yesmen for wanting a CGDCT company to stay a CGDCT company, I quickly became disillusioned and realized just how boring of an entertainer she actually was. Her design and voice is what appealed to me in the beginning and I just stuck around I guess, though that doesn't mean there weren't some great times.

Now I don't have an oshi and have started spending less time watching streamers in general. If I do get in the mood to watch somebody I mainly cycle through mumei, fauna, gura, and irys whenever I catch them streaming. I also like pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37170018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eNbGVgSBiY

[Anonymous No.]

I'm blowing 15 loads over Marine and Noel living in the same vicinity, I'm living the life. Now Flare has to beg Marine if she wants a chance to see Noel after sweaty sex

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>>37153398
When your oshi dies to you, you just don't go pickup a new oshi you just go touch grass.

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>>37171557
the vtubers i watch are gone and I only shit up this board with my shit threads and shit posts

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>>37171231
I didn't drop her out of hate, I was getting burned out of vtubers at the time and I just never went back to after I found my kami oshi
Regarding the "Improve yourself" while what she said isn't exactly wrong I think she handled it poorly, I'm a huge gachi for my oshi but I'm pretty self aware imo, the things she said might sound correct for someone who's not in our mental state but you don't make gachis and unicorns understand with this type of normie talk, the haters will shit on everything regardles and she just should've ignored them

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>>37171740
Sometimes you have to let the weak part of your fanbase cut themselves out. If she spent her streaming career treading carefully around their feelings, that would have been worse.

[Anonymous No.]

I dropped Gura and Kronii to watch Tempus. I was a casual vtuber fan before but now I'm invested and I spend money on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37154973
Voldemort?
I can say his name, filthy muggle

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>>37171970
honestly same. i was watching on and off since late 2019 (discovered vtubing from the matsuri bandaid clip), but nothing really interested me. some of the jap holos are great but i can't speak the language and don't care enough about vtubing or weeb shit to learn japanese, so i almost entirely relied on clips. en holos were a novelty when myth first debuted but none of them caught my interest and they became lazy whores later on. but when tempus debuted, i felt like they were the only ens in hololive production that were actually entertaining and funny. they work hard and appreciate their fans a lot too

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>>37171882
Except just a couple weeks ago she talked about how she knows some of her viewers don't like the collabs and she will try to balance homo collabs with Holo collabs, and that's in addition to already stating that she won't do things like 1 on 1 collabs with them. She's trying to placate a part of her audience that mostly already left and that she doesn't even like. The idea that she isn't treading carefully is null.

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>>37172151
to each their own. I watch some myth, some council, and some Tempus. they don't even have to interact I'm just watching whoever I like and only the games I'm interested

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>>37171882
>the weak part of your fanbase
Sadly the vtubing community core fanbase is this same people, I'm not saying she should pander to them nor that she should thread carefully exactly, I think is more about phrasing and timing but also:
>spent her streaming career treading carefully
As I stated before the core and more dedicated fanbase of vtubing is people like that and it basically comes with the job, is it shitty that is like that? Probably but at the end of the day is her decisión to stay in the vtubing community
>Should the vtubing community strive to be better?
A more sane community wouldn't be profitable unless some big changes in how vtubers get their revenue are done (and I'm not saying that it's thanks to sc or merch money that this people provide are the base of it but there's also the engagement and other things) which pretty much can only happen for big corpos which in this cases she is but I don't see that happening soon though I'm not a numberfag, could very well be really wrong here

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>>37171970
>I dropped Gura and Kronii to watch Tempus.
Pretty much this. But except for Gura and Kronii, it's Gura and Ina (yes I know Ina is on a long break, but I used to watch her a lot in the past and especially in 2021). Now I just watch Tempus and will sometimes check out a HoloJP stream, which I still have a soft spot for since that was my first introduction to the medium.

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>>37153398
>where are you now?
Wouldn't you like to know
>Are you enjoying your new oshi?
Cautiously, Kronii turning on us so suddenly left a bad taste in my mouth, so it's hard to invest my new oshi since there's always the possibility she'll do the same, but I'm trying.

[Anonymous No.]

For me it was the broken GPU arc. How shit her nier and Titanfall2 playthroughs were when compared to Ina. How fucking negative and angry she was in that time period.
Now I'm happy watching Pomu, Amiya and some of Phase Connect

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>>37172190
I think there's more variety among the vtuber fanbase than you think. There are fans who didn't get mad at "improve yourself", who also would prefer her to collab with other Holo more.
>>37172190
> Sadly the vtubing community core fanbase is this same people
Similarly, I don't really agree with this either.

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>>37172633
>For me it was the broken GPU arc
If that arc is all it took to tip you over the edge, then how on earth do you still have the patience to stick with Pomu?
(for context, I used to watch Pomu and Ame in the past and then eventually moved on to PC around the beginning of this year)

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>>37168638
I held on to around late 2021, finally gave up on her and moved to Pomu.

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>>37172819
I simply got way more invested in Pomu than I ever did with Ame. Even in Pomu's lowest lows, I could always see she was (heh) trying to improve herself. I kinda realized I don't like seeing people stuck in the same place for too long (which is what made me left Ina, my initial rebound oshi after Ame)

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>>37173012
Also Pomu has actual good back and forth banter with her chat while Ame is ridiculously thin skinned.

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>>37153398
Gura was always my oshi.
But I've been watching Ame since debut too. I couldn't care less about the Tempus collabs, I actually enjoyed them a little. But Ame... man she's been acting so differently. Was she always this hostile toward her fans? Then the fiasco with the graduation bait, all the yes-men who went, "oh Ame, it was le funni. Anyone who doesn't think so is les cring and snoflak." It wasn't funny, I was worried. And for her to not apologize and mock us...
I just need a break from her. But I haven't had the same feeling whenever I see her. The magic is gone...

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>>37172754
Second paragraph is a response to this right? >>37172307

[Anonymous No.]

>>37173100
>good back and forth banter with her chat
That's most of Niji to be fair. Pretty much everyone in HoloEN besides Kiara can't seem to grasp this concept.

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>>37173197
>Was she always this hostile toward her fans?
I dropped over a year ago because her 'banter' was turning into actual hostility, really sad to see she hasn't been able to improve herself

>>37173258
Yeah but Ame so thinned skinned she sets up bots to autoban people who says things the trigger her (copium). She thinks she can insult chat whenever she wants but if chat tries to bite back she gets legitimately pissed off.

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>>37173243
Oh yes, my bad.

[Anonymous No.]

Neither of those two were my oshi (LTL!)but I was never bothered by those collabs. Hell, I was never bothered by Tempus either and watch 2 of them regularly. I never stopped watching Ame or Kronii and still enjoy their streams whenever I happen to catch them. The board being filled with drama queens over the whole thing(and some still being butthurt over it) was funny

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>>37173375
>>37172754
Oh ok, care to explain why you don't think that's the case?

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>>37173414
>he says while sounding butthurt
lol

[Anonymous No.]

always watched Risu. Only watch Risu and Kaela. Everyone else is irrelevant in holo. Pippa/Tenma are also very fun.

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>>37173419
I see tons of fans who don't care about this stuff and are just enjoying themselves. And despite all the doomposting on /vt/, Holo EN is still clearly going strong.
Also I consider myself a part of the core vtuber fanbase and I don't think I'm a rarity.

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>>37173537
>Pippa/Tenma are also very fun.
This. Especially the lolibaba

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>>37173258
Truly Kiara is the Stacy-Queen of hololive.

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>>37161336
I improved myself, and found out that Ame is too bad, so I found a new oshi. Isn't this what she wanted?

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>>37169399
They wouldn't be -here- to answer unless they have an addiction to this place itself, which does happen.

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>>37173890
I'd be careful to asume they don't care since a lot of this stuff is talked mostly anonymously or with other usernames/alts not just here in vt, there's a lot of doublefaced people
This, however, is me talking from my experience and might be biased tho
>Regarding ame
I think only with time we'll be able to tell (and if she keeps alienating this part of the community) if it's really a detriment or not because:
>Holo still going strong
Holo is certainly going mainstream, even if Ame succeeds after all the hate I think this is a privilege that only huge corpos like holo have and my point still stands at least for small corpos and indies

[Anonymous No.]

While there are no doubt people in this thread who have left the vtubers OP mentioned for others. There are also a clear amount of dishonest anons posting ITT who probably never watched either of them at all, but are pretending they "moved on" for the effect.

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>>37174247
>Holo is certainly going mainstream, even if Ame succeeds after all the hate I think this is a privilege that only huge corpos like holo have and my point still stands at least for small corpos and indies
Oh sure, this may be true. Although I do feel there's still a lot of room for vtubers to carve out their own niche.

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>>37174277
>People pretending on vt
Pretty sure that like at least 30% of posts in vt are falseflagging, and that might be a low number on my part
>>37174417
Thank you for the discussion and not going full schizo even though we didn't agree on some things, really rare to see this type of thing in this shit hole

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
Never dropped and watching this now

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>>37153398
>where are you now?
joined my local soccer team, finding new hobby isn't that hard desu

[Anonymous No.]

I had high hopes for Kronii at debut but was severely disappointed by her actual streams. Ame slowly fell off into obscurity for me. Neither were my oshi. I didn't like the direction HoloEN was taking with the introduction of tempus so I just stopped watching every single HoloEN stream like I used to do and picked up some of my old hobbies.

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>>37171231
I really don't get why people got upset about this, like... where's the lie?

I guess I can kind of see if you took it as she has contempt for her viewers but I think it's a complicated relationship. Simping isn't an attractive quality, but it's kind of treated differently with vtubers.

You could really view the comments as her kind of genuinely wanting the best for the whinny teammates. Like seriously it's okay you like hololive, that's great, but don't get so invested in it to the exclusion of reality, self improvement is a good message, and she delivered it exactly how I'd expect her to, it's completely on brand.

If you're upset about someone telling you to improve it's probably because you're an insecure shlub who doesn't want to admit that to themselves, and would rather wallow in your own self loathing and sink into escapism like hololive, vidya, and animu. Escapism is fine, but not if it's all you fucking do. I get not wanting your escapism source to remind you of that to an extent but people spinning it into a whole dramatic thing like oh ame doesn't care, ame hates her fans. Fuck off.

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>>37174247
NTA but I feel similarly that most dedicated fans are able to enjoy the occasional male collab as long as their oshi still does things for them, acts in a nice and respectful manner towards her fans, and seems motivated and happy about her job and future projects. That's at least my personal experience and what I see from being pretty attentive about superchat messages, youtube comments and twitter replies. Especially for vtubers who don't do explicit GFE, which none of HoloEN are doing. Arguably they didn't handle the backlash properly and the drama surrounding the collabs did more harm than the collabs themselves, but they were put in a tough situation. At least Kronii seems to have moved on and seems to be doing well mentally lately

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>>37175056
Let's be honest; she doesn't give one single fuck about whether or not a viewer "improves" themselves. She only lashed out like this because what somebody wanted was not what she wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

Dropped Kronii but she wasn't my oshi

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>>37175056
You can tell people to fuck off all you want but that won't change their problems if anything it only reinforces their belief cause it becomes a "us against them" issue
First of all how a person becomes someone who will simp or get mad at this type of comments has nothing to do with vtubing, it's rooted in something more deep and more broad that just vtubing, what we see in the vtubing community is just a consequence
I can understand how people who are not like this can have 0 empathy against it but as long as others keep shitting on them without trying to understand why they are doing what they are doing this will never change
But don't get me wrong, understanding the problem is not about sympathy or forgiveness, the ones that do shitty things should still be made accountable but without actual understanding and not shitting on the outcasts it'll never change, you don't shit on someone who's already on the ground, it'll only make it worse
>>37175311
Oh for sure, I said it before I'm a huge gachi but I don't mind my oshi collabing with males, this is more of a holo thing desu that's why I said that the problem was how she said it

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>>37175496
>because what somebody wanted was not what she wanted.
But that's just normal human behavior. These women aren't gods who can completely bypass regular human emotions. Yet people genuinely believe they should because they're vtubers who stream video games behind a computer screen. I mean come on, how petty is all this shit.

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>>37175683
I don't disagree. And it's not like I can't empathize. I have been there myself, it's a constant struggle when it feels like the world is force feeding you blackpills. I think the difference is I've always known when I'm indulging too much in escapism it's a bad thing, I don't lie to myself about it. I hate it about myself, and I try to improve. I've cut off contact with IRL friends who were all about escapism, so I guess when I see it online I ascribe that *type* and respond with hostility. I didn't want to cut those people out, but I could feel myself being pulled into a morass of underachievement.
Now I make six figures, drive a nice car, and own a home. But I'm still overweight, I don't have a gf or wife and haven't been on a date in years, so in some way's I'm back where I was but just in a different way.

That thing you were talking about it not being about vtubing, of course it's not. Society is a mess: Pandemics, incompetent leaders, autocratic tyranny, inflation, social decay, wars, famine in europe coming next year. Who the fuck want's to go outside. I know I enjoyed vtubers because it's like the one place where there was no fucking politics, no one bitching about trump, no woke leftist telling me I'm evil. Just pure stupid escapist fun. I don't know where the fuck I'm going with this anymore. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't assume when someone has some harsh words they aren't actually trying to hold out a hand up.

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>>37169273

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>>37160944
That is actually rather interesting.

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>>37168638
>switching to Nyanners
You can only really blame yourself there, no way to claim ignorance.
Still, I’m sorry to hear that anon.

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>>37169399
These days I just occasionally check /vt/ for tabloid gossip and clipwatch when the mood strikes.

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>>37175056
Is that the excuse you're using?

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>>37175056
There is nothing redeemable about being so dismissive towards the very reasonable requests of your supporters.

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>>37169399
I like writing fiction. I wrote for fun before I got into Vtubers, and I've been trying to get back into it since my self-esteem took a big dive from consuming and not creating. I tried streaming myself, but I just didn't like who I was. I still watch clips when I'm in bed.

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>>37180742
>reasonable

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>>37180926
The only ask was to not collab with males and she hardly collabed at all beforehand. Why would that be hard for her?

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>>37171231
i was one of those people in chat laughing it off but i've slowly stopped watching ame since then, she hasn't been the same. every time she tries to be affectionate it comes off as cringe and hypocritical. i still cant bring myself to end membership though

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>>37181634
>i still cant bring myself to end membership though
Same. I don't even dislike her, I just don't watch her as much in the past few months. And feel like my membership isn't being used as often... Yet I can't bring myself to cancel it. It's a weird position.

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>>37181623
It's never reasonable for one fan out of many to tell the streamer what they should or shouldn't do.

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>>37153398
Hololive EN is lazy and the previous vibe I had is dead. If these whores are going to stream collabs like they’re in Nijisanji then they least these lazy bitches could do is stream as much as a NijiTuber as well. I have never been a tribal fag, and so I don’t mind checking out low viewcount nobodies or other corporations if their streamers are good.

I mostly just watch moon2 now tho.

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>>37181623
>"Will you be collabing with the guys?"
>ACTUALLY the ask was "Hey streamer, don't collab with males", why is it so hard for streamer to obey with what we say??
>Somehow in your eyes this is more reasonable
ok

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>>37153398
I finally picked up orange woman for good, and I've never looked back.
The sheer appreciation she has for her fanbase feels amazing. She understands how we think because she's been in our shoes before, and due to that she can easily wrangle the bad eggs while comforting the others who mean well.
There are other good fanbases (saplings, hoomans, irystocrats, etc.) but I feel that Kiara and her fans are the most in tune with each other and share an almost symbiotic relationship. The only ones who come close are saplings and chumbuds.

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>>37181841
She isn't stupid enough not to know that male collabs are a point of contention amongst her fans. One fan sent the superchat but he clearly wasn't the only one concerned and she could have at least gaged how most of her audience, especially long time members, felt before responding the way she did.

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>>37175056
No one needs a third rate bitch too ugly for a successful fleshtuber streaming career telling them to improve themselves. Nigga we are here watching anime girls play fucking video games. The best improvements we could make is dropping the entire hobby.

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>>37182177
>male collabs are a point of contention
Genuinely asking: why?

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>>37182124
This post doesn't seem sincere at all.

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>>37182290
It's a change in the content that viewers have been used to for two years, which admittedly isn't always a bad thing. I personally just don't think it's good entertainment. imo girls being awkward with each other is cute, a girl and a guy being awkward is just awkward.

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>>37182290
For me, the same reason I have negative interest in Apex streams. It's just not fun. I can tolerate it once in a while, but not when it becomes significant part of the content on regular basis. I've dropped Festival for the same reason.
>But Fubuki
Not significant part of the content, not regular basis and especially not as awkward as any HoloEN interaction with Tempus.

I just like CGDCT content. I regularly watch Watame - what do you think would happen if she decided to regularly play sweaty FPS instead of her comfy/grindy games?

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>>37182496
What's stopping you from not watching the collabs you don't want to watch?

It's not like EN streams only collabs, especially in Ame's case.

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Before tempus collab spam became the cherry on top of yet another wave of ENs doing things to piss off tgr fans, I had already stopped watching Kronii for being a bad streamer and generally boring and I stopped watching Ame because she has flat out admitted she often doesn't stream because she feels "potato" which is extremely fucking lazy behavior her yesmen fans have done nothing but enable and encourage.

Kronii stealing Shien's mafia lyrics and almost not crediting him and how she doesn't acknowledge the JP stars while becoming a tempus plaything also says a lot about her. It's not a language barrier thing either, she interacted with JP holos just fine. She's just a cunt.

Ame is lazy and boring, she doesn't try anymore. Two years and she still can't kick out the bad habits of giving into laziness. And she's always being hostile to her own fans which again, the stupid fags encourage because they seem like actual cucks that love that shit. Both of them would have been happier as nijis. Kronii especially genuinely feels like she applied for the wrong company. There were already plenty of reasons to dislike them both before tempus and there's plenty of reasons to not want to be part of their fanbase either.

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>>37182290
We watch Hololive for cute girl shenanigans.
If I want to watch males, I'd watch Niji/Twitch instead.

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>>37182950
>Both of them would have been happier as nijis.
Anon, nijis actually stream

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>>37183140
Do they stop being cute girls when they come into contact with guys? Again I ask, why not just not watch the collabs with guys?

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>>37182950
I think Ame is more of a tragic case because there was clearly some quality behind her. Kronii was lost cause from the start, but with all of the possible buffs.

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>>37182950
>And she's always being hostile to her own fans which again, the stupid fags encourage because they seem like actual cucks that love that shit
Didn't Ame ban those who attempt to oppose her word? I think that happened a few times and the others don't do anything out of fear she bans them.

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>>37182815
Honestly it's more about how Ame dealt with all of this than the collabs themselves for me. I am invested in my oshi to the point where I would rather not skip streams, but I could probably tolerate if she showed more respect for the wishes of her fans.

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>>37183208
I did. But I'd rather support girls with content I ALWAYS like, rather than girls who have a 50/50 chance of streaming something I might not like.

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>>37182427
I was being 100% sincere, how did it come off as insincere?

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>>37183362
I don't inherently view it as disrespectful, the Q never elaborated on why that would be a point of contention, so Ame is genuinely trying to understand what the big deal is, and it's probably frustrating for her that so many people bring it up as a point of contention but not really why.

>>37183408
>girls who have a 50/50 chance of streaming something I might not like.
I checked her channel, of the last 27 streams Ame's done, 2 appear to be collabs with Tempus members. 50/50?

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>>37183208
Do you keep buying bread from the same bakery if every other time it is moldy? Especially since there are 10 other bakeries on the same street.

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>>37183681
That's a bad analogy unless you DO think the girls are tainted when they interact with guys. Which, hate to be the bearer of bad news, probably happens on a regular basis long before Tempus, and long before EN.

You're free to watch whomever you want and not watch whomever you don't want, you do you, just be more honest with yourself about why.

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>>37153398
I'm enjoying Ame.

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>>37183543
I don't know, it felt fine until you suddenly switched to branding other fanbases and outright saying they're better than others because of some symbiotic relationship thing. Again I can understand the first part of your post because that's specifically about the vtuber, but the rest seemed weird to me. Like what doesn't make Takodachis, Deadbeats, Teamates or Bratz ""good"" for example?

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>>37183846
Moldy bread is not "tainted", it's just old. Ask the bakery why they though that selling old moldy bread is a good idea.

Maybe it's time to stop trying to fucking demonize people that just lose interest when the content creator tries to change their content and fails miserably.
Maybe it's time for Ame and others to be honest about who are they pandering to and who pays their bills. Because it for sure isn't your average r/hololive clip enjoyer.

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>>37183846
>just be more honest with yourself about why.
says the faggot feigning ignorance when male collab arguments have been a thing for the past 3 months

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>>37183680
>I checked her channel, of the last 27 streams Ame's done, 2 appear to be collabs with Tempus members. 50/50?

This is just for now. Who knows in the future? But even then, even if its 90/10, I'm a lazy bum that doesn't want to bother with dealing with that and just rather support creators that I prefer watching 100% of the time.

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>>37183846
I'm sure off stream everyone talks to dudes, but if it happens on stream it's 'canon'. It will be referenced in future streams, show up in fanart, and come up in community discussions. "Just don't watch that stream" won't actually let you avoid the problem.
It's not a permanent taint or anything. Nobody really cares that Miko did male collabs years ago and people have mostly gotten over Mumei doing that one homoJP collab since she's avoided tempus. Males are no longer an active part of their content, so they're not bleeding into other areas.

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>>37172151
Based Oldfag anon. I'm also get into Hololive from Fubuki Scatman dan fanfare. Nowdays I'm only watch Pekora and Subaru

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>>37184213
Pretty sure they won't have any problem paying their bills even after the male collabs.

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>>37153398
Watching Gura and JP
yes they are unironically way better and I feel like a retard for not switching sooner.

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>>37183846
>the girls are tainted when they interact with guys
They are. When a Holo collabs with males it exposes her as either having no fucking idea what Hololive is about or knowing what Hololive is about and actively wanting to tear it down. Both scenarios are bad.

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>>37184536
Maybe you had the wrong impression of what Hololive is about

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>>37184490
This but just JP. Gura is not on the same level and no amount of astroturfing will make it so.

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>>37184536
Sora... Miko... Suisei... Subaru...

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>>37184583
>astroturf anon
good to see you dont only shit up /ggg/

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit anon, your Oshi Didn't even know You in the first place, just drop your oshi whenever you pleasant and stop whining.

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>>37184639
No she cares about me and wants me to improve my life. when she streams on her roommate and totally ignores everyone in her chat is a sign of affection

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>>37184213
No, anon, your weak ass analogy doesn't work. It's more like your favorite bakery suddenly started offering pistachio bread or some shit, and you stop going there entirely because you don't like pistachios.

You're completely within your right to not watch anyone you don't enjoy anymore, but c'mon grow some skin if you think I'm demonizing you, why don't YOU be honest with the fact that you don't like the idea of these girls you enjoy interacting with guys who aren't you?

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>>37184638
I don't know who that is. But okay.

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>>37153398
If I wanted to watch basic Twitch streamers, why would I be here?

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>>37153398
Sava Safari, appeals to boomer audiences, fantastic sense of humor and timing, chat engagement, sex model and asmr, most importantly she sounds like an aged up version of Lil from the rugrats.

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>>37184375
I've just checked Ame's superchats and she made almost 10k in the last 30 days. Assuming this is gross, that's like 5k gross income after Google/Cover cuts. That's really not that great. I'm sure she is doing better with memberships, but these are not Rushia numbers. If she was dumb with the money she made so far, then she might realistically have issues paying bills.

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>>37185357
Ame has always had low SCs though

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>>37180742
>the very reasonable requests
Asking her not to work with people within her coup in not "reasonable"

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>>37185578
yes it is, what the fuck are you talking about? why does one streamer HAVE to stream with another?

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>>37185811
The same reason collab begging is frowned upon

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>>37185836
nigger, i'll ask again, what the FUCK are you talking about? explain your nonsense posts

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>>37182177
It was legit only a few of her viewers, she already knew that as we all do. It was not a "point of contention amongst her fans" at all.

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>>37185811
>>37185857
Dude, you're the one posting nonsense and are densely unaware. Why does Ame HAVE to stream with Council? Why does Ame HAVE to stream with ID? With JP? She WANTS to.

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>>37185811
They don't HAVE to but they wanted to and telling them they shouldn't is out of place and isn't going to lead to anything constructive. The correct response is to not watch it

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>>37185981
so what? a job isn't doing what you want. her job is performing, and if fans hate her performance they'll stop watching. i'm sure plenty of femoid performers would love to get fucked on stage, but it's not unreasonable for viewers to be against that.

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>>37153398
I'm watching Delutaya and a few real male streamer who are game autists. I won't return to you and your anime boys, thank you

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>>37174503
>Thank you for the discussion and not going full schizo even though we didn't agree on some things, really rare to see this type of thing in this shit hole
NTA Catalog posts are usually a cesspool but the upside is that people can be more openminded compared to the norm sometimes. For example, trying to discuss negative topics like this in hlgg is pretty much a death sentence since they have to push back against shitposters so much which in turn makes many anons overly defensive.
I hold no ill will towards teamates as a whole but they can be especially defensive of Ame. I remember asking what was going on with Ame one time when her schedule was irregular since I was out of the loop for a while and I got told a bunch of sarcastic answers or that I should fuck off.

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>>37186044
Every time someone tries to use an analogy here to defend why they don't like their anime waifus streaming with guys, you guys blatantly broadcast your insecurities about your favorite girls getting along with guys who aren't you.

Working with a male co-worker is not tantamount to being fucked on stage live, unless you happen to be unreasonably insecure about what your favorite girl streamer does.

A job may not be doing "what you want", but literally working with a co-WORKER I'm pretty sure falls into the category.

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>>37186266
>reddit spacing
it doesn't matter if it's not explicitly fucking, nigger, the point stands that people don't want her to perform with males, and that's not unreasonable in the fucking slightest. there's no occupational pressure to perform with someone who happens to work in the same company. fucking nonsense.

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Ame was my oshii from like a month after her debut to the duet karaoke lmao. Before that point I was willing to just avoid tempus collabs and watch other content but that lone stream set the precedent that tempus collabs could happen out of nowhere with no warning. Immediately the girls had to be categorized as either homo sympathizers or watchable streamers. I'm a sapling now and honestly fauna is consistently a better entertainer than ame ever was at her best.

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>>37186368
>Using the enter key is somehow REDDIT
Lol you are a piece of work. And beyond reason honestly, you've yet to articulate why you yourself don't want her to collab with Tempus outside of comparing it to being fucked live on stage, and somehow think your opinion as a fan should have precedence over things they want to do, that it's somehow unreasonable for her to WORK with her CO-WORKER, while being inconsolable and lacking self-reflection, that maybe your opinion is the one that's unreasonable. You're no worse than the Chinese over collabing with Coco.

I have to agree with Ame, why don't you take some of that energy and improve yourself lol.

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>>37184536
Sora doesn't know what Hololive is about according to (You) i guess, kek

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>>37186368
pretty bold of you to assume you count as people

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>>37186661
>WORK with her CO-WORKER
twisting words doesn't work here, redditnigger. again, it's not unreasonable to avoid performing with certain other performers. if she's more concerned with asserting her independence and owning the haters epic style than about her fans' wishes, then she's in the wrong fucking business.
>you don't want to watch her have a date on stream? improve yourself
peak deflection and womanbrain, just like ame. blaming and shaming fans for having preferences in entertainment. improve yourself instead of simping for a dumb whore.

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>>37186999
>twisting words don't work here
>"watch her have a date on stream"
HAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>37185490
Hard to get SCs when you always turn them off

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>>37187057
that's not twisting words you dumbfuck esl monkey. i'm not saying that you said she's on a date. -i- said she's on a date, basically what male collabs are. what you're saying is that we all have to shut up and put up with it and if we don't it's a character flaw. again, peak womanbrain blame shifting.

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>>37187057
kek and true

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>>37187213
no you dumb fucking a-social retard, saying that collabing with a male is literally having a date on stream is twisting words, are you real

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>>37187213
>interacting with a male = date
And you're telling ME to improve myself? Bahahahahahahahahaha

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>>37186624
I find that the clips of Ame raging and some of the creativity she showed early on kind of blind people to the fact that she's generally a really boring streamer. Fauna is far more consistently entertaining.

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>>37187267
learn english you third world subhuman. twisting words means putting words in someone else's mouth. i'm not distorting anything you said, i'm equating male collabs to a date because that's what they are. you're a delusional numale if you think otherwise.

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>>37187507
>twisting words means putting words in someone else's mouth
no it doesn't that's called a strawman if you want to be particularly autistic about it, you don't have to be completely anal about whether people mean what they are LITERALLY saying all the time, it's called colloquial language
and twisting words in the first place is a general term for trying to misportray the truth by hiding it in language that makes it sound like something else
>i'm equating male collabs to a date because that's what they are
unicrons actually beleeb this
holy fuck

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>>37153398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV1Rc_pPslE
>The only one who will never betray me.

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>>37187507
>i'm equating male collabs to a date because that's what they are. you're a delusional numale if you think otherwise.
I just love it, watching you people utterly implode, beat around the bush about why working with their male co-workers is a problem ("well it's their job but n-no, don't say it like that, even though it's objectively the truth, you uhh...word twister"), and then just double down and prove that it's their own ass insecurities about girls and somehow boldly assume everyone else in the world is being unreasonable.

I sincerely wish the best for you, I hope one day you can form connections to women, platonic or not, and come to understand that just because a girl and a guy play a video game for two hours, they're not on a fucking date.

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>>37187618
>misportray the truth by hiding it in language that makes it sound like something else
which is exactly what you're doing with your "work with a coworker" fallacy. no one cares about working with males behind the scenes, which is the only way to get anything done. performing with males is a different story, and it's not unreasonable to oppose that. by equating all "work" you imply that it's all equally important to her job, which is fucking nonsense.
>unicrons actually beleeb this
retarded simp. women and men literally cannot be friends. there is always sexual tension. only cucks and romcom watching faggots find this entertaining. hololive is cgdct.

[Anonymous No.]

I watch the cuter Ame.

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>>37187826
they are on a date, whether or not they actually lust for each other. of course ame does, maybe not the males depending on how gay they are. but it's fucking sickening to watch either way. it's certainly not her job to transition from regular entertainment into cuckold content. but since you enjoy that, you should accept it for what is is. you know, improve yourself.

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>>37187950
>which is exactly what you're doing with your "work with a coworker"
I'm NTA, I just think you're retarded understanding of the english language and it's intricacies are baffling to the point I had to post
>women and men literally cannot be friends. there is always sexual tension
okay what about your mother

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>>37171882
Agree. I grew stronger and realised I should be more adventurous and explore other chuubas and get back to watching some of the big streamers. The world has so much more to offer than what ame brings to the table..

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>>37188177
if you're going to be mad at people twisting words at least understand the ones you are using, meeting under business pretense does not make it a date even in the HYPOTHETICAL presence of sexual tension, it's still business

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>>37188187
>you're
nuff said. but i'll keep going. you're wrong, retard. twisting words specifically means distorting what someone said, not the truth in abstract. that's why "words" is in the phrase.

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>>37188365
nope it's actually a completely vague, abstract technique of manipulation that isn't directly linked to the words you literally say

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>>37188177
By that measure, aren't all collabs just "dates" then? OkoKoro sickening? BaeRys shake you to your core?

>>37187950
>by equating all "work" you imply that it's all equally important to her job
Streaming IS their job, you dumb fuck. Collabs too. You're just mad about that fact and are playing into this whole semantic bullshit to run away from that reality.

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>>37188441
your pic proves my point. it's about distorting the meaning of what someone said. effectively putting words in their mouth, specifically by twisting theirs. like the redditnigger's implication that i'm against females "working" with males in any context, when i'm talking specifically about streaming.
>>37188441
no, it's social pastime between a male and female. publicly. it's a fucking date. or at least the performance of a date, which no one except cucks wants to see. hell if it was just business she wouldn't do it, because it's bad for business. she went out of her way to be with males because, as you said, she WANTED to.

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>>37188870
wow man

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>>37188666
>Streaming IS their job
again with this vague gaslighting bullshit. streaming does not require collabing with everyone. most vtubers, including the most successful ones, don't collab with males, so you insisting that it's part of their job is running away from reality.

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>>37189052
>the truth is gaslighting
You're beyond hope, you've never once taken any argument head on, instead everything that threatens you is gaslighting or word twisting, and somehow we're the deflecting ones? lol

But I'm gonna humor you because I love watching you jump through all your mental gymnastics, openly piss yourself, and still try to come out as the "reasonable" one.

By that argument, why do any of them collab with ANYONE? Streaming doesn't require collabs, right? Why does anyone bother doing them? Hmm? Are collabs somehow not work?

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>>37182124
Kiara wrote this post

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>>37189469
buddy you're doing fucking mental olympics to avoid the simple truth i pointed out: male collabs are obviously not part of the job if most vtubers don't do them. this also makes it the standard, so how can it be an unreasonable standard? if this is too complicated for you, you might need to improve yourself.

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>>37182124
I really want to support her, I just wish she used her roommate's voice.

[Anonymous No.]

watching Fauna now and yes I'm enjoying her, she plays better games than Kronii and once I got over her weird over pronunciation of words I got to like her fluffy voice

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>>37189886
>Most don't do this, so by that measure no one should ever do this ever.
Yup. You're the best.

Btw I watched you openly equate all female/male interactions to dates and cuckoldry, you telling me to improve myself does nothing but make me laugh. Bahahahahaha.

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>>37190432
most don't do it so it's not part of their job. so your claim that opposing it prevents ame from doing her job is nonsensical, and just the latest in a long line of teabeat copes. me not wanting to watch a date is a preference, your lack of basic comprehension is a flaw that needs improving.

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>>37190701
>your claim that opposing it prevents ame from doing her job is nonsensical
I didn't fucking say that, you nimrod, I said streaming is her job, collabs are her job because you keep insinuating that the sentence "working with her co-workers" is unfair when it is in fact the truth, it is COMICAL how many times you dish out insults like "improve your reading comprehension" in the same sentence of failing to do the said thing. Goodbye and try to have a good life.

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>>37190883
at first i was using it ironically since it's just passive aggressive shitflinging that ame uses to shift blame and deflect criticism, but you really should improve your literacy and your standards for streamers. yeah no shit streaming is her job, but collabing with males is not. you said yourself she did it because she wanted to. again, not part of her job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37184536
Buddy, you might have the wrong idea of what hololive is about.

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>>37184536
anon...

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>>37186044
But most fans don't hate what she is doing, most clearly like what she does and make up no more than like 20 people.

> i'm sure plenty of femoid performers would love to get fucked on stage

Dude, she's playing video games while being a cute anime girl, get a grip.

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>>37193744
cope

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>>37182950
>how she doesn't acknowledge the JP stars while becoming a tempus plaything also says a lot about her. It's not a language barrier thing either, she interacted with JP holos just fine. She's just a cunt.
Honestly, this is the worst part. Whenever people argue that it's weird to not interact with your coworkers need to answer about Kronii. Cause she clearly thinks it's fine to ignore StarsJp, less she just doesn't consider them coworkers.

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>>37188284
anon you are definitly retarded, NTA btw. you can even understand a fucking dictionary definition. Since your brain is so small i'll isolate the part you try to avoid :
> social appointment
So your definition you, yourself brought up define those collab as a date. how retarded cuck are FFS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153979
>I'm watching Phase Connect
Really kek

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>>37184536
Oh no no newfag how do you cope with this? >>37193743

[Anonymous No.]

>>37183286
Either she did or the OP did after the onslaught of hate from the usual suspects

[Anonymous No.]

>>37193743
>>37197663
Wow its almost as if Hololive has changed from 3 years ago. Subaru disowned the homos a long time ago and is now a top talent meanwhile Fubuki is a non factor people smile and nod to and ignore. And stop using Japanese women as your toys in your stupid argument you EOP scumbags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37198404
Oh nice cope anon. You must be as oldfag as sora guardian.

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>>37193743
Why did they stop doing this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37168581
Have you all forgot that Irys thirst for homos dicks (Oga) too? She even interacted with them on Twitter, she only wants JP cocks, not EN, that's why she doesn't interact with Tempiss

[Anonymous No.]

>>37204149
and fauna and kiara follows Tempiss on twitter, cross them too, gura is the only salvation

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>>37153398
These threads never end huh... you just can't move on mentally...

The constant obsession with which streamer has or has not acknowledged a dude, the name calling: "whores", "sluts" etc, all the hate and insecurities, dropping a streamer because you took something they said or did personally...

It's tiring just to witness from the sidelines. I can't imagine having to keep up such a pointless game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37204389
>gura is the only salvation
She's getting dicked by her boyfriend right now and there's nothing you can do about it, monkey

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it. Why do people hate male collabs so much? I understand wanting to watch a female streamer but who cares if she sometimes interacts with males on stream? They are all playing characters. I thought that was the point of vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37204389
Blessed be the shork.

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>>37206240
Those are shitposters and antis anon, there's unicorns and stuff, but they're mostly harmless and aren't as loud as antis. The whole "CGDCT" is a facade to shitpost everywhere and call everyone cucks and such, even to harass talents, all of that because it's "fun".

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>>37206240
why you care that people care tho?
they are free what they want like en management told everyone, like the audience is free to leave them and laugh at their disastrous recline under the CCVID line, something that shouldn't even be possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37153398
I DONT CARE, I WILL LEARN ID LINGGO

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>>37206419
I dont know, the 'male collab bad' is so prevalent in /vt/ that it seems bigger than just a couple of bad faith actors. It does seem that there is a big portion of the fanbase who becomes irrationally angry upon seeing males interact with their vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37206468
They are free to like whatever they want. I just want to understand why they are so opposed to seeing males in their streams. It doesnt seem like a healthy mentality. It reminds me of Chris chan's irrational hatred of males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37206492
Anon, there's more shitposters than normal posters on /vt/, outside of /here/ nobody cares if X and Y had a collab or interacted on twitter.

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>>37206535
In fact, his hatred made him become a tranny, oh the irony...

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>>37206419
Anon no... you're exposing them...

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>>37206419
CGDCT?

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>>37206862
cute girls doing cute things

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>>37206535
It's been explained to you people to death. It makes the audience feel like a third wheel in a hobby based on interactions between the streamer and their audience. If you're a third wheel, then what the fuck are you giving them money for?

>But what about FxF and MxM collabs
The reason it doesn't happen with same sex collabs is because gay relationships aren't seen as real here and thus aren't a threat.

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>>37206995
Your two explanations are contradictory. Chat feeling like a third wheel would occur any time the streamer is not directly paying attention to them, which according to you happens in collabs. You then try to make the exception for same sex collabs by the bullshit explanation that gay relations aren't seen as threatening. But this only begs the question: 1. Even if gay relations are not threatening, the chat is still the third wheel because the streamer is interacting with the collab partner and not with the stream and 2. Your explanation hinges on collabs being percieved in a romantic/sexual way, which is something constructed entirely by the unicucks as if they are pining for it. Unless the streamer blatantly plays that angle there is no relationship there other than an attenmpt to be entertaining and everything else is projection.

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>>37207244
>feeling like a third wheel would occur any time the streamer is not directly paying attention to them, which according to you happens in collabs.
What you then have to acknowledge is that there are people who don't like the chuuba collabing at all, and these are in the extreme minority.

>Your explanation hinges on collabs being percieved in a romantic/sexual way
However it's perceived, it's still a threat. It doesn't have to be rational or logical. Parasocial relationships aren't either of these things and are based entirely on how you feel. Logically, you wouldn't give them a cent because they're 'entertaining' you for free anyway. whether they know it or not, their content is designed to elicit an emotional attachment to them to make it more likely for you to give them money, even the anime model they use is part of this.

It isn't a binary "You're either okay with it or you're not", there's a whole range of tolerance of it between unicorns and tourists. That's to say, people who care too much and those who don't care at all.

>Entertainment
And like all forms of entertainment, there are different audiences who are into different shit. The shit the vtuber audience is into, that's to say, the audience that makes vtubing at all financially viable, are into parasocial relationships and don't like it when that relationship is threatened, more so when money is involved.

Take Mori for example, fewer people give a fuck about Mori collabing with men because it's expected behaviour for her, and the unicorns have long since abandoned her. On the other side of that coin, you have Kronii, who either deliberately or not cultivated that kind of fanbase for a year, it's not surprising she got the backlash she did given who she had been pandering to.

Whatever though, you or some fucking tourist like you will ask this same question the next thread.

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>>37207652
You still have not answered the question. Your TL;DR is for nothing. The simple question is "Why do people not like male collabs?" Your answer was "Because it makes the audience feel like third wheels because the streamer pays more attention to the collaber" But that happens with any collab, regardless of the collaber's gender. So the answer cannot be "not enough attention to the audience".
The answer lies in the fact that unicorns are super insecure and think that male collabers are stealing their fake gfs. This is nothing new. My question is then "why do you feel that way?" It is completely irrational. It's ok for people to be irrational, but at the very least they should acknowledge that they are irrational, get over it and stop spamming identical threads. If not wanting the millionth thread about why ame is bad for collabing with males makes me a tourist, then I would rather be a tourist.

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>>37207971
I have answered the question, it's just not the answer your want. What you want to hear is "Because they're psychos who need to take their meds"

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>>37208012
No, I am sure some of them are just stupid.

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>>37208012
What this anon wants to hear is "you're right, i'm sick of all these bait threads shitting the girls and the boys"

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>>37208338
>Why must faggots on 4chan shitpost all the time?
Even people who've only ever heard of this place should know better than to ask that

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>>37204149
Don’t give af about JP stars. I exclusively hate Tempus so that’s where I draw the line

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>>37208675
This... is actually pretty sad, anon.

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>>37208718
Why? Everyone knows that ESL cock doesn't count.

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>>37169399
I did drop vtubing after Ame, but then I found Amiya from Tsunderia and got back in. It's funny though, I used to be unhealthily infatuated with Watson but with Amiya it's more about wishing her the very best and just having fun. Maybe dropping Amelia really did help me improve myself.

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>>37153398
>Are you enjoying your new oshi?
yes I am