Cover has TOO MANY EMPLOYEES

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There are 379 FULLTIME EMPLOYEES for 72 streamers.
Yes, you heard right.
FULL TIME.
On average, every Hololive streamer has to pay the salaries of FIVE (5) OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE
If every branch had proportional representation, the EN girls alone (Council + Myth) would have a support team of FIFTY.
WHAT THE FUCK IS COVER DOING?

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>WHAT THE FUCK IS COVER DOING?
Wasting my supas.

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You're dumb

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>>37058280
Go back to work Yagoo, where's EN3?

[Anonymous No.]

good thing cover doesnt earn entirely off of SC revenue then

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>>37058046
need a lot of people to say "no you can't play this game lol"

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>>37058748
Their entire business model exists because of the girls.
If anything, them turning the JP girls into merch machines without even expecting them to stream is even more sad. It's like the videogame business model, where you build something good and once you gain an audience, you move on to pure marketing and monetization and let your product stagnate completely.

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how many employees does niji have? out of curiosity

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>>37058999
>by the time these girls actually finish their dance education, the brand has gone stale
how fucking sad is that...

on the bright side, since it's already going stale by the looks of numbers, maybe they'll purge the excess middle managers and return to roots

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>>37059162
less than hundred last time I checked, but they only have like legal and one production team
rest is outsourced

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>>37058046
We have to make terrible unity asset flip games prease undarstand.

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>>37058046
Most of them are hired for the vaporware game

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>>37058046
Aren't they making a vr metaverse/Minecraft/rust/genshin goyslop knock-off? If they want to deliver on that in less than 5 years that probably what most of them are working on

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a gamedev. I don't know who's developing HoloEarth, but I hope they're not getting paid a lot.

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>>37059337
Wasn't Niji closer to 180? I'm sure I remember seeing that figure somewhere.

Also, Nijisanji have in-house 3D riggers/artists and in-house 2D riggers of outsourced outfits. They likely have more staff in the studio, too, as their 3D studio gets utilised pretty much weekly. There is also a possibility that there are separate staff in charge of their VTA program.

By all accounts, AnyColor should have way more staff than Cover do because they do more themselves, for more members, and are juggling multiple projects. I knew Cover had more staff but I didn't realise it was fucking double.

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>>37060966
Cover has in-house 3D artists too
I think the difference comes from music and other audio production, since Cover also sells voice over/voice acting services

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>>37060966
Now I'm even more curious to know what the hell Cover's staff is doing.
Having 400 employees puts them at the lower end of mid-sized tech companies, surely there's a few jp guys who work in tech on 2ch who have heard of them.
Wonder if somebody will spill the beans one day. The way Tempus speaks about Cover makes them sound like a fucking mess.

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>>37058046
You mean to tell me that at some point between Sana's graduation and now they hired 13 more staff members?

To do literally what???

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>>37058046
No. Cover has too many shit employees that don't do anything good like EN management. They should follow quality>quantity

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>>37058046
Idols aren't just streamers, you've cracked the code. Now graduate all non-idols from EN

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>>37061080
>Cover has in-house 3D artists too
The fact Ame was able to hire a random artist to make her VR chat worlds that are miles ahead of anything Cover has produced in-house is absolutely pathetic.

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>>37061129
someone has to post in /vt/ after all

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>>37061129
They added 100 new employees since the beginning of this year, lol.

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The more new employees Cover gets the easier it is for you to take an employee uniform, hire yourself, and make the changes you want to see.
By the time someone realizes you're not a manager it will be too late. EN will be revitalized.

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>>37061214
>every thread is just anti brigading
If anything its the other corpos doing that bullshit

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>>37061278
Yeah, with seminal fluid

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>>37061129
>Inclusivity and Diversity Department

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>>37061080
I'll give you that they may also have 3D riggers (or, at the very least, asset creators for 3D content), but I'm not so sure about the music/voice stuff.

First and foremost, voice packs are pretty much bread and butter Niji merch alongside copy-paste birthday trinkets. There's a new set every 4-6 weeks and, even though staff provide them with scripts, lots of Livers tend to write their own if they feel like the staff hasn't got their personality right. There can't be more than a small handful of writers on NijiEN, and they not only have twice the members in the branch, but release dozens more voice packs.

As for music, I'm not sure what your angle is. Nijisanji has both more non-sponsored and sponsored concerts on a yearly basis, and they also have more members signed on with record labels (which no doubt scales the size of their legal team). Hell, AnyColor announced their own record label last month.

As a private company that ultimately offers a lot less in return to their customers, it's a shock that there's nearly 400 people siphoning wages from the lucrativity of the talents.

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>>37061216
>100 new staff members
>Not one of them is helping IRyS get her new design and 3D

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>>37061505
100 purebloods vs. 1 half-blood. Simple as.

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>>37059489
That game is going to be insanely popular because it's the only game Hololive will have permissions for by the time of its release.

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>>37058046
You are retarded. What it's true is that there are maybe too much, if you cut in half all those employees you will probably get the same or better efficiency at work if you have people especialized on making sure that everyone makes their job. A 30% of them probably are the the ones who approves the decision to approve a decision that has already been approved by other guys, that only makes the work being more restricitve and slower, for example mojan and minecraft are an example of that, where 1 modder in his house can make the work that they make in 1 year in 1 day, what is truly stupid for a big company.

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>379 employees
>only one of them gets permissions for games, and he's fucking useless at it
>take the shotgun approach, getting permissions for fucking EVERYTHING? Nah man, one game a month, and only for JP. Gotta get those FoTM buffs
>EN permissions? roru, rumao, rofurucoputasu

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>>37061666
>the post is true, you could cut cover's team in half and get the same productivity or better
>you are retarded btw
Uhh, why did you call me retarded?

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>>37061716
Just imagine what a real "permissions guy" could do. Someone genre-savvy who asks the girls what kind of games they'd like to play, and goes out to find interesting games for them to stream (and get permissions for).

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>>37061098
This, maybe >>37060718? I'm not sure if Holoearth is outsourced.

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>>37061716
Bro their current buff game is the fucking Aqua visual novel. That one guy took the month off it seems.

They also closed the RUST server to save themselves $25 a month on server costs. By the way, they make enough of a cut in SC donations from a single Pekora/Matsuri/Kanata RUST stream to power the server for well over a year.

The only thing Hololive lead the industry in is merch and, now we know there's 400 people banking their salary on the marketability of a few dozen anime PNGs, it's not hard to see why.

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>>37061882
The recent fiasco with Elon and Twitter served as a strong reminder that the people who end up with the money often have no idea how to spend it.

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>>37061841
HoloEarth might be considered in-house, even though I seem to remember them announcing that they were working with a very small team without pedigree to make it.

There's an interview you can find by searching 'HoloEarth developers' where the guy basically says it's an MMO except the MMO aspects will be limited to attending events/concerts. You will otherwise just be building a house and sorting furniture.

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>Big Company has a lot of people
Very hot take
Retard

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>>37062265
Retard.

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>>37062265
It has twice as many employees as Anycolor, which is -nobody's- idea of a svelte, efficient, or responsive company. Cover is insanely bloated and it shows in how management's priorities have become totally divergent from those of the streamers, nevermind the fans.

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>>37062451
>It has twice as many employees as Anycolor
And Anycolor is dogshit and barely does anything for their talents
Next

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>>37061982
Like Bezos and Twitch?

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>>37058046
If you think 500 people is "too many employees". You haven't seen actual mega corporations. Read a fucking book.

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>>37062567
lol

lmao even

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>>37062624
Okay but Cover Corp isn't a mega corporation. They're a small, privately-owned business renting out an old Bushiroad studio in a small backend part of Tokyo.

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>Nijifags seething that their chuubas get no support
Reminder that Nijifags have their chuubas be their Minecraft admins. Some popular Holos get their own personal manager so you can see how the staff balloons. This metric includes foreign branches and Homo staff. Niji pretty much fired the staff of every foreign branch except for NijiEN which is probably only run by two support staff.

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>>37058046
cover does more than Hololive
shocking, I know

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>>37062751
Ignore Him. He probably cover employee from SEA who hired just to moderate chat lol.

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>>37061823
Maybe they should take a leaf from NijiEN, and let the girls get their own permissions, instead of always having to rely on a guy who clearly doesn't give a shit.

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>SEA hours
>Thread being swarmed by Corpocucks
Lol. Seanig and their submissive being

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>>37062147
So the actual gameplay aspects such as base-building are singleplayer?

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>>37063128
>cover does more than Hololive
Cool, like what?

[Anonymous No.]

>Streamers
>Managers/agents
>Merchandising
>Sales for said merch
>HR
>IT
>Legal
>Artists
>Production staff
>The team making that video game

These are just the various departments they'd have just off the top of my head. I'm sure theres more but even with this list it doesn't seem that surprising they employ nearly 400 people. Corpos gonna corpo.

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This is less about being cover and more about being japanese. Japanese companies love to hire a bunch of people without any serious idea of what they're going to do with these people. They do it because it makes them look good to have big numbers, because they can afford it, and because they genuinely believe that it'll somehow work out and those employees will somehow bring in profit. This is japanese business management 101, it's fucking braindead but at some point you're just too big to fail, and more people = more bigger.

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>>37058046
somehow you have a team fight against Chinese bot farms [brought you by /vt/ ] and competition shenanigans.

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>>37058046
In the last two years the quality of Cover's content hasn't really picked up the pace in terms of improvements. Feels like these hires are mostly a waste.

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>>37058046
What is hololife?

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>>37058046
>Legal
>Management
>Network Engineers
>Software Developers
>Business Analysts
Etc etc.
They're not just a vtuber company you know.
Technically they were a technology company that pivoted to entertainment

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>>37059964
>goyslop
I can already tell that this word isn't going to last more than a year, tops. It's funny, but people overuse it, and in the wrong contexts. You guys just ruin everything.

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>>37064656
Is american business management 101 to continually fire people in order to weed out the freeloaders? Because all I hear from US companies is when they cut positions and expect the remaining employees to pick up the slack.

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>>37058046
>5 support staff per talent
isn't that a good thing? don't selective pre-schools brag about how many support staff there is per kid? same principle

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>>37058046
Government.exe

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>>37067678
Everything costs money, retard.

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>>37066830
nigger what, cover has always been an idol company.

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>>37064656
>Facebook fires 11k employees
>Twitter fires 90% of Indian employees, plans to fire 75% globally
>Disney fired 28k employees in 2020
>Microsoft has fired at least 19k employees this year
Yet these companies appear to be unaffected in their productivity.

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>>37067948
>Twitter fires 90% of Indian employees, plans to fire 75% globally
bastard bitch sir do not fire

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>>37067948
Pajeets being good at tech is the biggest bs that the west bought, it seems that only now they realized that this was a mistake. The majority of people that got fired from facebook were from latin americ too, looks to me that they're just trimming the useless fat.

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>>37058046
What are the first 2, ping pong league and the other one.

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>>37068147
kek, no. It's the difference between having a leader who values performance and quality in contrast to the previous leadership who valued cheap labour and "muh representation".

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>>37068147
>Pajeets are good at tech
>China makes products worth selling
Outsourcing to save money is the greatest economic mistake the west ever made, after lockdowns. But like a great tragedy of the commons, it's in the interest of no middle manager to give a fuck because their interests are just their salary and earning bonuses.

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>>37068219
Second one is when Tokino Sora debuted as a solo entertainer pre-Hololive.

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>>37068219
Tokino Sora, Hololive was originally the name of the app used to view her streams.

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>>37067948
Twitter is unaffected if you mean basic site functionality glitching out, yes. And, do you really know about every single project at Microsoft well enough to judge their productivity, or are you just going "lol they still sell xbox"

[Anonymous No.]

Ping Pong League bros, we had it so good...

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>>37068410
>basic site functionality glitching out, yes
Problems caused by incompetent pajeets in the first place.

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>>37058046
>WHAT THE FUCK IS COVER DOING?
actually paying their employees unlike nijisanji who runs on slave labor (they dont even pay their livers)

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>>37068574
IIRC, their "livers" are only contracted, aren't they? So they have zero job security.

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>>37068410
Works on my machine.

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Extraneous staff is essentially a form of self-inflicted ransomware.

[Anonymous No.]

That's what startups do when they strike gold. Expand aggressively attempting to loop their main source of revenue into other fields, some will fail and some will succeed making more money. Reading this thread makes me realize just how dumb some of you fuckers are.

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>>37068776
I think that anon is talking about intentional changes in functionality such as not being able to change your name, for obvious reasons, once you get verified.

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>>37058046
>from pingpong to hololive
What?

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>>37069809
It was a free AR game they released as a testing ground.

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>>37058046
I want to be paid to sit around the cover office and leer at any females that happen to be there

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>>37068678
I believe both companies essentially hold their talents as contractors, that's why both companies have to keep renewing their contracts every couple of years.

I won't pretend to know why they do it, but I imagine it's to do with Japan's autistic taxation system.

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>>37058999
Well its the anime/idol business model.
What did you expect?

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>>37070209
In general thats not unusual in the entertainment sphere.
Talent generally doesn't have job security or anything like that. They get paid by the gig and once the gig is over they're unemployed.

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>>37070372
Yup, I'm just correcting that it's not a 'Niji thing' and that it in fact applies to Hololive and probably all other companies.

They all update their contracts. They all have to pay for personal projects out of their own pocket. They can all lose their job after a single yab.

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>>37070594
The difference is that hololive vtubers get a salary, nijisanji ones do not
thus slave labor

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>>37058999
And most of the girls are only popular because of the brand

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>>37070594
Well "a single yab" is a bit much.
Look who we've seen Cover ditch so far.
Rushia, Coco and Aloe.
Rushia committed an egregious breach of contract, jeapardised the safety of other talents and company confidential information.
Coco basically got a golden handshake and a goodbye because keeping her on was too difficult for the company due to chinks becoming obsessed with hating on her.
Aloe was just completely fucking menhara.

So Rushia's contract was cancelled with cause. There's likely a clause in the contract specifically stating that they can end it if certain conditions are met. Letting a muckraker into the company Discord is definitely going to be covered there.

Coco. Almost certainly got a payout because there wasn't cause but there was a lot of hassle connected to keeping her.

Aloe I forget the full story of. She leaked company property I recall hearing? And just generally was too crazy to cut it. She likely fell afoul of a probationary period clause.

So yeah overall I don't think "one yab" is gonna cut it. Since /vt/ considers everything a "yab"

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>>37071036
>Coco basically got a golden handshake and a goodbye
Yagoo even said that she'd be welcome back as a guest. Not exactly much of a chink deterrent to let her go like that.

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>>37058046
That’s too many? They have more employees than gamefreak

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>>37067813
then why does the graph start in 2016?

[Anonymous No.]

So many clueless foreigners in this thread thinking that hololive is just an online streaming team; which is fair, because that's all you guys get to see.

The hololive brand does a LOT if businesses and events with other companies all around Japan.
https://collabo-cafe.com/events/category/ホロライブ/

They do so many product events and tie-ins that I've started seeing them in so many different media: magazines, tv, in-store materials, promo goods, even convenience store trinkets (free note books or clear folders for buying certain ¥ amount in snacks)

They've become a multimedia company pushing their brand of characters and character goods into many different markets, so that means having a large workforce to handle all the aspects of business dealings, logistics, managements, etc

[Anonymous No.]

it takes people to organize sponsorships, concerts, scout new talent, organize with artists and musicians, get permissions, handle reputation management and internal disputes etc etc

Niji runs a lot cheaper because like all chinese garbage they cut costs.Like building a skyscraper out of old newspaper, sawdust and chicken bones. Idiots are happy with it up until disaster occurs.

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>>37071143
Well it did achieve the desired effect.
The chink harassment died out not long after.
Coco was basically the only one they really latched onto because she accidentally acknowledged the existence of Taiwan.

I wager up until she got involved with Vshoujo and got Rushia in with them? She'd have been welcome to come on back and be Coco again.
But now? Covers stepped in and told Kanata to leave Cocos place and not go there again. That suggests to me the mood has changed over there.

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>>37071468
Yeah but in reality, cover hires a bunch of nepotism people for grossly inflated salaries, and then they "work" 3 hours a week.

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>>37071261
They can't handle permissions apparently

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>>37071261
Would you happen to know what these Shiraken lattes popping up in the art tags are about?

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>>37068147
>Pajeets being good at tech
Just worked with a specialized pajeet IT team in my previous project and by god they didn't have any business sense at all and presented empty technobabble bullshit to my client, literally all talk no substance. My local IT team shook their head at the pajeets incompetence. And we're talking billion dollar project here

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>>37071261
It's no secret Cover is more focused on its JP girls.
But same time there's no shock there. The JP girls and boys better understand what Cover is going for.
Variety entertainers.
Calli fucks up on that front as she's obsessed with being a singer. The rest of the EN girls focus too much on streaming or one particular niche, they don't do variety well. Some do better than others mind.

Tempus actually sort of gets this better than the girls.
But its debatable if they're gonna be able to do much with that knowledge.

>>37071617
Lets be honest here. Most of the times they fail to get permissions are going to be from the companies not even reading the emails that Cover sends them.
They're also probably relying heavily on dealing with publishers who have JP offices.

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>>37071261
>gaijins will never walk into a convenience store and buy some button hichew candies

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>>37060966
I bet there's plenty of freeloader in the company too, maybe that's the real reason it take too long to make a new gen

[Anonymous No.]

https://cover-recruit.snar.jp/index.aspx
They're already looking at snatching 2024 graduates.

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>>37071765
every single member of EN sucks at interacting with their chat

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>>37071261
Nijisanji does all this too and they still have less than half the staff with 3x the number of members. I'll even greentext stuff they've done this half of the year:

>Koshien, the biggest sponsored V-Tuber event ever.
>Lie:Verse Liars: a multimedia project made in partnership with KADOKAWA, spanning a Audio Drama, Manga, and Light Novel series.
>Nijisanji tie-in with WIXOSS
>Salome tie-in with Shadowverse
>Sanbaka tie-in with Duel Masters
>Salome getting her own TV spot to shill noodles
>Collab with J1 Soccer League where a member represented each team
>Merch collabs out the ass
>There's a collab with FamilyMart happening as we speak

This is all since July. The one and only thing Cover is doing that Anycolor are not is making a video game, which is likely where a majority of these staff members are coming from.

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>>37072482
>all destroyed by a single person that cant stop playing with his nipples
This is why you hire actual staff.

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>>37072188
All of those poor people...
They're graduating...

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>>37072482
Cover also develops their own VTuber tools, AR tools, among other VR&AR related projects and are working on being less dependant on third-parties such as when they dropped Geek Jack.

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>>37072630
That was a nothingburger compared to the Rushia yab. What are Cover managers good for if they won't even instruct their talents to not use the same discord for their private shit as their holo accounts?

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>>37072960
You mean the rushia """"""yab"""""" where she was leaking company info to her dramatuber friends for years? That cost them 0 sponsors? Oh I'm sure they're seething at finally telling the mentally handicapped menhera who doxxes people left and right that is currently in the hospital after a suicide attempt to fuck off.

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>>37058046
Being the leader of the vtuber world

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>>37073070
It could've been avoided if they instructed her to use different discords for her shit.

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>>37058046
Retard tranny. Even Marine said they have too little employees. You have no idea how their business operates nor do you know have to run a company.

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>>37072840
...So do Anycolor. They'll actually have an AR/VR experience for the concert at the end of the year, and there are plenty of interviews with tech engineers discussing what they're doing.

The only unique thing Cover is doing is making that video game, and the only unique things Anycolor is doing is launching their own record label and handling VTA. Everything else isn't special at all because they're both tech companies.

Nobody would even bat an eye at the number of employees if not for the fact that Hololive haven't done anything of note with it and have in fact not only slowed down, but their ability to get their talents permissions to play games has fallen out of its own ass. I'd much prefer 5 or 6 people working around the clock to give the Holo's more games to play than 50+ working on a shitty Genshin asset flip to sell to fans of streamers who don't stream.

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>>37072482
Naw man I go out a lot in Tokyo and I don't see nearly as many nijisanji stuff compared to hololive

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>>37062751
retard.
>the same cheap soulless merch copy pasted on every member
>not paying talents
>not giving them support
>talents quitting
>outdated tech
keep coping nigger

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>>37062147
that sounds more doable, though I hope they at least make hubs mmo ala guild wars.

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>>37067068
it isn't going to last 3 months. It's already dying, because it was a shitty forced meme to begin with.
Say what you will about onions or cuck, but those developed relatively organically.

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>>37073830
Mainly because its used so widely.
onions and cuck have very specific meanings. Goyslop can be applied to basically anything.

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>>37061144
Ironically Niji have better management system because of competition within the company

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>>37073461
And yet it's the holo streamers that are always complaining about management not supporting them. I've yet to hear a Niji one say half the shit holos do about their management.

>the same cheap soulless merch copy pasted on every member
A good thing because personalized merch is paid out of the talent's own pockets.

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>Give cover constructive criticism
>Niji Niji Niji Faggot
>Give anycolor constructive criticism
>Holo holo holo bronies
GDI, burn this borad, it's no secret that MGMT from both side swarmed here and throw their tribalfagging behaviour so they can get extra cash. This board no different that Twitter

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>>37073830
>>37073921
Top Zozzle bros. Asuka best girl.
Girugamesh!
I remember one time I saw an onboarding skit in Japanese and it made the talents blow random stuff up. It was funny, but maybe I imagined it.
Then I saw another one with the super Mario rpg dondondondon music.
Anyway, Yagoo is actually a giant fish.
Like, a river fish.

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>>37067948
Twitter supposedly had 10 managers for every real employee so firing so many people could potentially mean nothing.

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>>37074199
Do you want us to go through the list on how many of these got 0 support from anycolor

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>>37061455
My oshi could be 2x richer if management isn't so lazy and shitty

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>>37058046
OP is a disgruntled, laid off twitter worker

[Anonymous No.]

I remember Suisei complaining about there not being enough staff to handle everything during Holofes which was why she volunteered to do whatever they throw her way. They ultimately didn't really need her to step in if I recall correctly, but it's quite amusing to read people in this thread seething over superfluous employees when everything I've heard the Holos talk about (that was just one example that immediately popped to mind) points to them not having enough manpower still. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of those projects the Holos complain about got turned down or cancelled because there's not enough hands on deck.

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>>37074307
The point is that >>37064656 claims having a lot of useless people in the company is Japanese culture. That list is an example of burger companies doing way worse than Cover Corp.

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>>37067323
US businesses are aggressive developers and tend to value physical capital over human capital, becoming "lean" is how downturns are managed rather than divesting assets
it's in part because of how weak US unions are compared to many other countries

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>>37074321
Lets be frank here.
Nijis business model is brutal and destructive in terms of its human cost.
They take in anyone stupid enough to apply and throw them into the deep end with a model and some basic advice.
After that it's sink or swim.

A lot of their people quit or are forced out.

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>>37074321
Lulu is the only one that matters on this shit list and she was shat on the hardest by them:
>calls her manager and rest of staff "rats" who keep leaking her residence info to the antis
>0 legal support, none of her stalkers got arrested
>harassed by antis irl while anycolor still does nothing
>graduates and instantly becomes happier

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>>37074199
Holy retard

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>>37067678
Not when you have to pay them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37074321
Did any of them complain about management not supporting them and blame their retirement on them? If not it doesn't mean anything. I think the only one that actually did was Bora, but it was no different from Coco quitting over the imposed restrictions on her. Holo has had a bunch of graduations too. Already had its first EN graduation while NijiEN didn't.

Also,
>including VR to pad the list even though they're owned and managed by bilibili

>>37074512
What do you gain from making shit up and lying? Are you a Cover shill running a smear campaign against other companies? She graduated because of the exact opposite: Niji wouldn't let her stream because they were trying to deal with her stalker problem so she decided to quit over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37075254
Watch out anon. Cover Social media team from r/Hololive might moderated this board as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37071261
Anon you aren't wrong but why should EN fans care about Japanese events/merch/sponsorships? Cover is absurdly bloated with employees but they are cutting costs with the EN branch which is the only thing that we see. They are spending millions on Live2D 3.0 models that are already outdated and HoloEarth that is turning into a giant money pit.

It isn't just EN viewers that are getting frustrated and this year the EN talents complain more frequently about management. Kiara even said during the 2nd anniversary that Myth needed to stop blaming management for everything but less than a month later was complaining about Cover delaying projects until next spring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076025
Sounds like the female football players seething about not getting the same support as the men despite having utterly shit performance. kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>37075254
>Holo has had a bunch of graduations too
3. It has realistically had 3 graduations. Rushia was fired, and the CN branch was a casualty of the Tiawan yab, neither of which was a result of "management not supporting them". And even if you want to include them, that Niji list is still over triple the amount

[Anonymous No.]

>>37072482
As someone who lives in Japan, Hololive's presence in the material sphere really exploded this year. I can walk into donki and see like three times more items with holos on it than nijis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076025
>but they are cutting costs with the EN branch which is the only thing that we see
The only thing (you) see. Many people here watch JP, and still see things like sponsorship streams, or shit like the HoloX manga or Shiraken projects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076025
you don't have to care about it but keep in mind that the 379 employees at the Cover office are japanese employees doing japanese business in japanese japan.

the en branch is a side branch no matter what, and this will not change until cover decides to open an actual EN branch office in the US and grow that one to 200+ employees or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>37074167
As much as I hate to say it, I think NijiEN management is more competent because JP is hands-off with them for the most part. Obviously, it’s easier for them to do that because targeting normalfags who want to see streamers with avatars act like normalfags is their model.
I unironically think that HoloEN gets half their ideas blocked by management because they think all of those ideas are the same as “allow collabs with males”. Ironically, they probably did allow collabs with males because they thought it’d work like HoloJP, where nobody gives a shit that Sora and Fubuki collab with males.
They seriously underestimated how much Mori, Kronii, and Ame have personalities closer to NijiEN than HoloEN. And how much not at least having more streamers to cover up their flaws would have helped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37061823
Shinove got the game perms the boys want to play (mainly the weird game Roberu finds) then 2 weeks later magically all the girls stream the exact same game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076667
i can see that cover is starting to hard into their character goods branding, so them being more strict with streamer activities is just a safer option for them.

a few other japan dwellers have shared their experience in this thread, and the fact is that cover is starting to use their character branding as something like what sanrio, san-x are doing (hello kitty, rilakkuma, gudetama, sumikko gurashi, etc).
they're cute characters that they will do tie-ins with whatever other companies to produce and sell all kinds of goods and promotions.

because of that, the importance of the marketability of those characters just shoot way up into the stratosphere.
they're probably ok with the livestreamers themselves having less rights in order to keep their brand clean and kosher for mass consumption. (irl equivalent of being "ad-friendly")

that's what you get when you sign for hololive i guess, cover ultimately owns the characters, brands, names, likenesses

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076213
Holo has had 14 in total. Niji has had around 35 I think. VEgo and VR don't really count, they weren't/aren't owned by Anycolor, just joint projects. It's normal for a company that has way more talents to have more graduations. The rate is about the same or actually slightly higher for holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076293
There's also that nice Comiket overview showing how over half the stands/booths belong to circles doing Hololive related stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37068574
>>37068678
Nijisanji members know what they're getting into, I don't know how EN works but for JP it's a hobby that generates side income, then members who want to can parley into other ventures, like some of the record deals or like Natsume who's publishing a Light Novel series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076025
>>37076380
>why should EN viewers give a shit about JP sponsorships
>EN is just a side branch
Anons, I think these two are connected. The side branches are side branches because they don’t get connected enough to JP. They seriously need to hire more than one talent who knows Japanese. At least two for each gen or something, because when they don’t do collabs with the original branch, the brand appeal is nothing more than a name.
The benefit of knowing Japanese isn’t in appealing to your fans, it’s in being able to collab with JP vtubers. It’s not intuitive, so I don’t blame Bae or Kiara or irys or Anya for not realizing that. You don’t use Japanese when you’re streaming to your regular audience, and then you do use it for collabs with JP.
I’m becoming more and more convinced that this is why they suffer from eternal “side branch” status. I *think* it’s not as bad for ID because just knowing westerners have heard of your oshi is exciting enough. For EN, streamers are just normal, anime’s normal enough that the avatar isn’t enough anymore. Anyway, that’s my rrat, I’m trying to figure out how HoloEN can revive itself without just trying to turn into another NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37077007
HoloCN was pretty much solely managed by the Chinese company that was operating the branch with Cover only providing the models and software. Don't think they really count either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37077533
>connected enough to JP
JP tried but EN just went nope to every invitation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076896
>ad-friendly
We’re talking about anime here, so I doubt self-censoring is a huge issue for the most part, since a lot of that shit is more for Karens who just hate how “lewd” JP media is. If anything, I suspect it’s just doing promotional work takes time out of streaming. Accepting these deals probably makes more money for the chuuba herself and the company, so turning down too many of them just makes you look like a dick and makes the company decide you’re not worth putting effort into compared to your genmates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37077672
Yeah, I think Myth got too high sniffing their own farts and think they did anything other than get lucky. I’m genuinely convinced that their success is a combination of appealing to weebs just enough to not fuck it up in the first year.
Them convincing Council they knew what the fuck they were doing is probably what will sink the branch (if that ultimately happens).
If I wanted to go into more conspiratorial mode and start throwing out rrats with less evidence, this would be why Gura hates Mori I have no idea if she does, this is a hypothetical She’s starting to realize she’ll never be like HoloJP, and it’s mostly Mori’s fault. Ina’s too, for being such a grouchy bitch about singing and dancing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37077784
that's not it anon.
imagine you're part of the business part of cover and your team just closed a deal to produce a line of apparel with uniqlo or school accessories with one of the supermarket corpos.

then suddenly the cute bunny girl that has been printed on 100,000 cotton t-shirts goes into a yab so big it makes it into the evening news, newspaper, tabloid magazines, social media, etc.

now thanks to the liability clause in the contract, cover will take a huge financial blow and uniqlo will never sign another deal with them again.
other manufacturer corpos also see this news and will avoid the hololive brand will become greylisted in the business.

compared to taking that risk, restricting what the streamers can do seems like a cheap price to pay, especially since their fans already love them so much that 10k+ will still tune in and super and member just for empty talk zatsudan and recycled karaoke themes

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
I agree at the least that all of the money is created from the content of the girls.
Whatever those employees are doing, it's not making the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
holy fuck this board is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>37078123
>it's not making the money.
Directly? Probably not. But what they are doing is enabling the girls to make money, by developing and maintaining the systems used for their models, and doing production for their live events, and handling legal and pr things for them, and reaching out for sponsorship deals, etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37078428
getting Rushia fired

[Anonymous No.]

All these vshojo shitters..
As expected of people who support a californyan corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>37061982
>everyone from both side crying like bitchs
>massive influx of fake account making companies lose billions.

Naah this is a god damn comedy show. The best thing all year. You americans are so funny to watch, having mental breakdown over Twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
not even gonna think about how much merch makes them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37079243
Nigga you think they got a little sweatshop going?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37071261
In your shitty dying market. Enjoy your dead languages in 10 years eleven

[Anonymous No.]

>>37079243

[Anonymous No.]

>>37077533
>At least two
myth: Kiara and Mori
Irys
Council: Sana and Bae

They did. EN just don't care enough

[Anonymous No.]

didn´t they start out as a company that creates Software and games?
whp says their only income comes from vtubing? Maybe Yagoo hired more people with the money he earned for different projects to make even more money. You know, investing, diversifying assets and growing your company and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37079666
That's less than $100k lmao
There's no way these numbers are real, are they fucking cooking the books or what?
Just for perspective, if they gave ALL of the 2022 sales revenue to their employees, each employee would receive 259 dollars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37082278
He forgot to indicate that these are in thousand yen units so just multiply that by 1000

[Anonymous No.]

>>37082328
So they could pay every single of their employees a six-figure salary and their games look like >>37060718 ?
I think that's even worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37082710
The gameplay loop has been in development for a year or so. Graphics is the last thing you work on when developing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
Not to defend Cover but Hololive Alternative and Holoearth seems to have pushed their employee numbers up, not every single one of their employee works for Holopro
Still think it's gonna go to waste by not focusing on their cash cow Hololive but whatever I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>37060966
>>37059337
Anycolor has 230 employees retards, that info is literally on their financial reports

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083044
Diversifying your assets is the sane thing to do anon. Don't just hide all your cash in your mattress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
Imagine making enough money for 7 people including yourself and still rich. Holo streamer is freakin loaded

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083480
I don't think Holoearth's the way to go, I wonder what happened to the manga series and their other stuff that's not metaverse related
We never heard about it since the teaser with the ENs in it

[Anonymous No.]

If each hololive member is supporting 5 employees, and those employees are making $40k a year on average, each hololive member is making a minimum of $200k a year. Of course, in reality, they are making millions

[Anonymous No.]

>>37082710
I think they showed it off WAY too early. As someone who did game development before >>37082968 is right in that graphics is usually the last thing you work on. A lot of placeholders are used during development. I'm not expecting much from their first game especially considering they are developing it inhouse and that means a lot of rookie game devs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083601
They've released more chapters of the fbk manga and now there's the holoX manga. It just doesn't get translated and promoted in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083837
I see, haven't caught whiff of it and that's my bad
Also forgot to account for Hololive Error

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083601
The intent with Holoearth is to hold concerts and fan meetings.
Imagine being able to have the whole world available as customers for a meet-and-greet? Also, no need to pay a con to set up displays.
It would also allow them to skip SPWN and similar platforms.
There's a ton of possibilities if they get it put together. But that's not something we'll see until at soonest 4 years from now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083837
There's also the Shiraken manga.
https://twitter.com/shiraken_pr

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084006
That's how I used to see the project, but they did show off some base building and combat elements so I dunno
I would be lying if I said I wasn't curious to see how it goes, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084140
I think they want fans to be actually playing the game and not just for concerts and events, so they are bolting an actual game on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37078473
Only person that got Rushia fired was Rushia. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to play armchair executive too

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084140
Probably easier to start with the basics of basics.
It's also a good way to keep fans in the game and could allow for the talents to make their own custom stages and such.
I recall them also talking about letting the chuubas stand in as quest givers if they like.

[Anonymous No.]

With this cover will get bankrupt in the next year. They can’t even make money from their unicorns anymore

[Anonymous No.]

Losing coco and Russia left cover with no way of making money. This is what my analysis tells me. Cover is losing, nijisanji is thriving

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083480

[Anonymous No.]

>>37073299
Fuck you Anykara has more streamer but less employee

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084645
Not sure if you're making fun of me or not.
All the same, thanks for the good laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084547
>>37084621
>1 minute apart
Don't samefag. And don't be retarded, neither of those two carried Cover alone, and a solid chunk of their paypigs just moved to other members of Hololive anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

They should pay me to be their CEO.
*All merch will be the same, keychain + acyllic made by the same artist and factory to cut down cost.
*livers are required to do super chat bait streams to maximize revenue
*from now on, there will be no 3d unless you have 800k subscribers
*Top livers should be the ones to represent the brand, not the shitters, to maximize viewership.
*bow down to china for those sweet sweet RMBs

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084812
Nah, you are definitely correct, putting all your eggs in one basic is a setting your company up for failure. The "hiding money in your mattress" just reminded me of the banana stand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37061882
They really did end up closing the RUST server? What is Anya supposed to do now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083480
They should invest in what they know, not genshin clone shit they had no idea about

[Anonymous No.]

>>37074503
literally none of the graduated in there was for the reasons you said
also wow, a company with more members have more graduated members that left for different reasons
also, taipei/shangai shouldnt even count because they weren't like kr/id, it was literally a separated company that lost the license to the nijisanji name and had their own name for a year before it went bankrupt

[Anonymous No.]

>>37061455
>First and foremost, voice packs are pretty much bread and butter Niji merch alongside copy-paste birthday trinkets.
We don't know what makes them more money, we only know full merchandise numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>37060966
>>37059337
Anycolor employee numbers from their latest financial report

[Anonymous No.]

>>37084645
>>37085000
Where would Cover hide their money, do you think they'd hide it in Luna's pumpkin farm? What would be a good hiding spot for all that illegal, physical cash?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37070769
slave labor while getting money from SC, sponsorship, voice packs that everyone have and shit, while in every branch except EN you dont even need to stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>37085426
I feel like they did not include their 200 livers here whereas cover included the holos who have fixed salary

[Anonymous No.]

>>37085000
Never seen it before but it looks like a good laugh. Is the series good or is it just the memes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37085560
Of course they wouldn't include. Neither Cover did, otherwise their initial numbers would be much different when counting vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

My key takeaway here is Niji > cover
And nijilivers get more money than hololivers.
Thread closed

[Anonymous No.]

with their shit management who is WFH,
best they are doing jack all at all

[Anonymous No.]

With all the overhead cover has, I’m sure an average nijiliver makes more than a holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>37082710
Yagoo is trying to turn Cover into Squaresoft just like how Squaresoft imploded from the FF Spirit Within movie.

[Anonymous No.]

If YAGOO asked you to fire all but 20 chuubas due to budget cuts, who would you save?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
That's probably why Hololive gets a lot more sponsorships and partnerships outside of streaming.
I think you don't realize how much Hololive sells outside of Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37086868
None of them, because we would lose far more money firing that many people than keeping them

[Anonymous No.]

>>37082968
The loop still looks like a pile a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>37087267
Are you sure about that brother?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37071036
aloe's contract breach was minor --accidentally leaking her 2D, and in any case Cover didn't terminate, but gave her a short suspension for it.

Before the suspension was over, she was allowed to graduate at her own request because she was folding under the pressure of harassment/doxxing, in turn (apparently) because of comments she'd made --before joining Hololive-- about another vtuber's troubles with another company, as well (apparently) as the fact that she once had a boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37087534
we all know there's "sex for favors" at cover. That's why the more physically attractive talents get the favorable treatment, and get to be in the in-group club. Pekora has bitterly complained about being mistreated by management despite being a top earner

[Anonymous No.]

>>37087968
You watch too much porn cumbrain

[Anonymous No.]

>>37087968
>Polka has the most stuff
Anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
and ill bet the fucking house 40% of them if not more arent needed. typical japanese business being run by retards and behind the the times by a matter of decades. plz understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37087206
That's the end goal for most of them. Outside of people like Aqua, Sora, Suisei, Watame etc., the most the girls can contribute to the company outside of streaming revenue, is acting as glorified merchandise characters, which is why a support system for that process is sorely needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37087968
>we all know there's "sex for favors" at cover.
Yeah with me

>>37090607
>and ill bet the fucking house 40% of them if not more arent needed.
99% of them are probably nepotism hires. The higher ups hiring friends, family, friends of friends etc. just to give them a decent place to work in Japan's shitty business culture. I doubt most of them even do anything. Either that or Cover's a yakuza clan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
Seems the right amount for me.

answers why Hololive has the better concerns, IRL events, conventions than Nijizhanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>37086621
The Spirit Within movie is a good example of what happens when a Japanese company forgets why they became successful and spends a huge amount of money trying to get into different fields. Cover is doing exactly that with HoloEarth and they are trying to develop a large scale MMO game that can used for virtual concerts. It isn't a bad idea but it is beyond Cover's technical ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058174
HoloEarth and HoloALT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37088330
Pierce Brosnan is in upper management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37088330
Yagoo is a fatchad

[Anonymous No.]

>>37078473
>Sankisei improved after she left
They did the right thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076896
Tanigo is an ex-sanrio employee. I'm unsurprised that this is his plan to grow the business, it's what he knows and the fusion of characters and influencers fits perfectly.
But it also means it's difficult to integrate a foreign audience, since it relies on mass appeal and the domestic viewer being fans of multiple talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083283
>last time I checked
leave it to person of manycolor to out themselves as illiterate

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083601
Given how popular genshin is despite being a giant pile of burning shit, it's the way to go

[Anonymous No.]

>>37061165
we can argue is their working speed up to modern standards, but it still takes fair amount of time to make such high-detailed models they use.

Then there's also the legal problem that they simply can't use the company 3D model for vr-chat(with exception to Gen0)

[Anonymous No.]

I want to have sex

[Anonymous No.]

THAT'S A LOT OF FAX MACHINES

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
379 fulltime employees, who do approximately nothing of value

[Anonymous No.]

>>37070901
Fuck off conner

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083044
I wish they were spending money and labour on something actually worth a damn, it's insane to have that many employees and nothing to show for it

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is better

[Anonymous No.]

>>37085776
Nice joke, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
Yes and I have health benefits now.
Thanks for simping to avatars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
A lot of those fulltime employees are holoearth game devs and as we all know game devs are paid like shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083772
>I think they showed it off WAY too early.
I generously assumed that the original showcase was an investor pitch that was made public against better judgment. Now casual viewers will assume it was a trailer and either they hate it because it looks like shit or they will hate the final release because it's different from what was "promised".

[Anonymous No.]

the salt in this thread by people who wish they were working for cover....

[Anonymous No.]

>>37083837
You just gave me another reason to defect back to JP. It feels like the gods are telling me how to be a weeb again. Viz start watching HoloGra and JP streams, manipulate the algorithm so that shit shows up more, read the manga to the extent that I can with my limited reps, and never touch a single EN clip from Holo or Niji. Only smaller corpos that aren’t run from Japan.
I know vtubing can be done properly in the west. Ironically, I only trust weebs in the west to do it, not nips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37100056
Devs have already dialled back the scope of the 'MMO' by saying it's going to be a fucking single player housing simulator with private lobbies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37098913
>>37061129
>>37061144
>>37061716
>>37062451
>>37062795
>>37085958
ywn work for us

[Anonymous No.]

>>37100489
>MMO
Yeah okay anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37100795
They literally described it as an MMO retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37100834
Sure thing, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
>Doubled their staff count just to work on HoloEarth
I sincerely hope that works out for them or Yagoo might as well be fired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37101612
It will work. Holofans are starved for holo game collabs. ne

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058563
in your dreams jannie

[Anonymous No.]

>>37101612
I think there's better options they could have gone for.
There's a VR metaverse game thats been completely fucked by its two owners squabbles. But still has a pretty loyal following due to the extreme versatility of the toolset within it.
Cover could have easily swooped in to buy that out from under them then used it as the base for HoloEarth and quite possibly have used that as a means to catapult themselves big into the VR worlds space.
But I suspect as Cover has grown its lost a lot of the flexibility and drive that it had when it was just Yagoo. It's now an idol company not a next generation entertainment company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37066830

>idol company

kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>37066830
>They're not just a vtuber company you know.
>Technically they were a technology company that pivoted to entertainment
That was anycolor tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>37076771
Thank you Shinove.
I'll never forget you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37100543
>JP software dev salary
Thank God I won't. If I ever slum it up that hard it means something went extremely wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

opening the catalog was a mistake today

[Anonymous No.]

>>37111436
Why does Japan hate software devs so much?
I mean yeah sure silicon valley salaries are hideously bloated and going to come down now since its a recession.
But Japan just basically pays them like a fast food worker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37115497
You know how embedded devs earn less than people working on cloud/web stuff despite the languages and knowledge base being much harder? This happens because hardware companies treat software engineers on the same level as assembly line workers, since that’s all the boomer management knows. That’s the same thing that happens in a lot of JP corps, software devs are viewed as cogs in the machine, no different from someone laying bricks, as opposed to technical graduates in a competitive field.

There’s also the usual JP autism, apparently software lost ‘prestige’ after the Lisp AI boom in the late 80s didn’t pan out, and 40 years later nip middle managers are still using it as an excuse to pay software devs less, since they ‘can’t be trusted’.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37067948
> Twitter
> unaffected

[Anonymous No.]

>>37062147
>MMO

i hope they make a metroidvania non 3D shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>37064656
>>37090607
Imagine spending time /here/ to shit on Japanese.
>>37118386
It is unaffected by the lay-offs.
Any complaints people are throwing are due to changes made in an attempt to fix the verification & monetization systems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
Someone please tell Elon Musk to buy Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>37061214
That would unironically be based if they hired people to try and control the narrative

[Anonymous No.]

>>37069809
Cover was a tech company, Sora was just an employee doing a tech demo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37088330
By attractive he meant gravitationally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37119332
you're hoping for way to much.
its going to be a glorified 3d display case for the in game event items

[Anonymous No.]

>>37071036
Aloe and Coco quit rather than being fired, though Coco was put through the Japanese tradition of the window tribe to encourage her to quit.
Rushia and Chris (who you forgot) were the only ones fired for the hololive, though I think they fired some holostar for illegal beyblade gambling stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37058046
Maybe letting Rushia and Coco, you're top two SC earners, was a bad idea eh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37123790
I get the impression Cocos exit was more an agreement between her and management rather than window tribe funtimes.
I feel they'd have made Kanata leave her home a lot sooner if that was the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37073070
No way Mike really tried to kill herself, it must have been for attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37075254
Holoen’s graduation was nearly 100% on the talent.
The problem on cover’s side was hiring her at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37124234
Imagine getting into a company so big, the only thing you have to do to earn upper middle class wage is to just show up.
And then complaining about health issues.
newsflash, this will be the least physically stressful job you will have, and you threw it away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37086868
Azki? Really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37124477
>And then complaining about health issues.
Complaining? You mean lying, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>37099682
>its nijis fault that one of their livers has a disease and cant make money
holofags trully are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>37125093
same thing.
people complain about fake things all the time, Like (Insert first world problems here)

[Anonymous No.]

>>37067948
Many people working in offices aren't actually productive employees, but because measuring their contribution with hard numbers is often very difficult (or foggy due to team projects), it has become a major issue for many companies.

Just an example I'm personally familiar with, the company here used to have a split of around 80 / 20 of manufacturing employees to office workers / management many years ago. Now, they have around the same number of total employees, the manufacturing productivity has gone up considerably (even though the stuff here can't yet be automated), but the split now is 20 / 80. Jobs that used to take 1 office worker, like HR, are now being done by 5 people with half of their work being outsourced. It's absolutely infuriating.

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>>37073070
You can't make up more details even if you try hard at it.

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>>37125683
Reminds me of how "diversity managers" are, or at least used to be, one of the highest paying positions in the US. kek

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>>37126368
Even now they remain a fairly well paid and safe position.
Mainly because of Blackrock and how they are able to influence investment across the entire market.

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>>37073830
>>37067068
The only issue with the word is that there is so much goyslop around us everywhere, it ends up getting overused, because, yeah, we know any netflix/sony tite is goyslop already.

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>>37093336
>Everything controlled by cover manager and their dog means improvement
Lol. Rushia is dumb and deserve a boot
but have you watch last Splatoon collab? Their banters not as fun as it used to. At least keep management hand minimize during collab.

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>>37128841
>ESL
We need a translator here!

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>>37058046
>379
Yeah, yet marine said in a recent stream that cover is extremely understaffed. So there's more going on behind the scenes.

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>>37124775
She's the definition of class, and a par excellence V-Singer. She is wife material personified

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>>37130739
The Japanese tend to be indirect in their criticisms and saying that they are understaffed sounds like a criticism that Cover is hiring a lot of employees that aren't doing anything that helps the streamers.

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>>37122803
tell me you don’t know how web development work without telling me you don’t know how web development work

Hint: before rolling any change it should be studied and tested extensively (in practice rarely ever we test the feature throughly, but the constant attempts to fix the glaring obvious problems the change has made proof that Elon didn’t even try to think for 1 second what the change would entail lol ).
For example, right now I am proposing a very small change to enhance the user experience. They don’t just tell me “sounds good do it!” they let me write reports after reports about extensive study of the feature and market study risk analysis change analysis profit analysis similar feature rolled in different sites and how it affected them demographic analysis and so on and on (which is also bad imo, I think one report is enough)

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>>37061214
>>37115497
It's not just Japan, but East Asia in general, no? That pay tech workers basically like any other job because the market is so big.

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>>37123017
>>37111436
I'm not a software dev at Cover but they at least pay me a lot more than other companies would, even in the States, for the same work.

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This is all for just Sora's rehearsal btw

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itt: clueless westoids thinking that cover is just a vtubing company, unaware of all the material world businesses they're doing with their hololive branding every day, every week, every month, all year long

you think that Lawson convenience store collaboration goods was just an overnight phone call by yagoo, like "Hey Mr Lawson, make some clear folders and notebooks to give away at your stores, here put these artworks of my wolf girl and fox girl on them"?

heck no, the proposal was probably drafted last year.
then it was presented to stakeholders (may or may not include yagoo).
then it was struck down and asked for amendments.
then there were hundreds of manhours of meetings to iron out the details.
then they send 2 or 3 business lackeys to the Lawson business offices to meet and present their proposal.
repeat this a few times until everything is mostly agreed upon and it's time to send their ace business person to close the deal.
once that's finalized, the logistics and manufacturing can begin, while they wait for back and forth communications with Mr Lawson to sync up their timing and scheduling.

now imagine this, but multiply by how many other business projects they have going on in the company.
the majority of them never see the light of day (rejected by cover's own stakeholders, or rejected by the businesses they're reaching out to, or falling through halfway, etc)

now that you have a rough idea of how many people are involved in doing many different things on many different projects, you need to multiply that by at least 0.1~0.15 to get the manpower needed for legal, finances, accounting, office administration, payroll, HR, and other misc stuff needed to keep a big office functioning.

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>>37143001
okay loserbait >>37100235

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>>37146052
I'm being mean here. I actually agree with you. Lots of armchair theorist idiots in this thread.

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I know most of this is bait but how are so many people unaware of Cover being an AR/VR company first and Hololive being the side project which took over the main purpose of the company?
They probably know that after this fad is over with the company should have a broader purpose than being focused on only vtubers to survive.

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>>37146763
most of the newfags are just that dumb, just like how most of the 4chan residents are.

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>>37143001
Cover only cares about revenue and they get more of that from Japan but they are smothering the golden goose that is holoEN through mismanagement. They could have helped holoEN weather the global recession had they supported the EN branch but they keep cutting costs instead. This is part of the reason why the number of holoEN viewers is shrinking.

Cover's failure with Live2D 3.0 shows that they do need to focus more on vtubers. How many of the hololive talents used their Live2D 3.0 model a few times and never used it again? There is an opportunity cost when they spend money on projects aren't related to vtubers like an MMO game that could take years to finish with uncertain results.

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>>37058046
When's HoloES?

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>>37142010
>Sora has a Live Show in January
>Live Show rehearsals need musicians
Jesus, there's no way you're that retarded anon

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>>37155997
>>Sora has a Live Show in January
Sora has a live show with live music NEXT saturday, November 19th. As in not January.
https://virtual.spwn.jp/events/22111902-lvtokinosora5th

Maybe you're thinking about Suisei's show

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>>37138627
>Thinks all companies' culture is as shit as hers
kek

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>>37156997
my point is IF Twitter did the BARE MINIMUM (not like my shit company but at least ONE study for love of god) before rolling new features all of these problems wouldn’t happen (and they couldn’t cuz lot of people were laid off, they don’t have the time nor the staff for it)
Also
> implying I am a women
lol

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>>37130248
>ESL ESL
ADHD anon. Go crash yourself

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>>37061278
I don't think Cover has a uniform, they will all just be in office wear.

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>>37142010
we don't know if they are Cover or Victor staffs, most likely the latter because it's music related stuff

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>>37092147
Wasting money, in other words.

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>>37060718
paid a lot......for that

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>>37058046
HoloEarth better be worth it