What happened to their views?

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't they get like 100k until yesterday?

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>>3699448
Bots

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bots, or i think it was the ad that sht boosts a lot of views

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>>3699448
YT AD

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>>3699448
Every YT ad counts as a play

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>>3699482
Youtube ad

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also i dont know much about this mafu mafu guy but how much does it cost to have him make compose the song? cause if it costs a lot.... it wasnt a good investment

[Anonymous No.]

>330k views
>Only 8.9k likes

[Anonymous No.]

>Kiara should've made Heart Challenger an ad

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>>3699448
YouTube seems to be holding the views back? Same with the country roads song released by Holo EN today. Dunno.

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>>3699579
Niji came way too late to the party and now the market is saturated in both corpo and indie scenes. It's either aggressive marketing or fading into irrelevancy.

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>>3699704
They really shouldn't have waited until now to drop the big NijiEN reveal. And this is coming from someone that has gotten into Nijisanji recently, it's like they dont know how to market themselves outside of Japan.

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>>3699637
>he doesn't get Kiara's ads

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>>3699589
only 58 dislikes tho? anon....

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>>3699691
Not at all, the debut is getting a shit ton of views since they started doing ads, it got 100k views in the past 2 hours.

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>>3699448
this happened

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>>3699448
Niji has taken out youtube ads, every video nijisanji has made into youtube ads has a shit ton of views while the other videos on the "Nijisanji World" channel or whatever their global channel is that aren't ads have barely anything comparatively

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji has to resort to viewvors and ads to try to gwt anyone to watch the NijiEN trailer
OH NONONONO

[Anonymous No.]

Only do social media posts for advertisement
>niji is a black company they don't support their vtubers
Pay for a big ad campaign
>lmoa why can't they just rely on chink clippers to do word of mouth for them

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>>3699780
They didn't wait until now. Auditions and preparation take time. They began it on november, ended audition on december and delivered their vtubers 5 months later. You prefer their shitty times where they had auditions and one month later it had debuts?

And even if Nijisanji debuted their vtubers last year, it still would be on a similar situation..

>>3700141
It's as if a niche group needs ads unlike holo, who gets all of it for free due to clippers. There's no otehr solution anon, that's the way it should be done.

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>>3699579
Mafumafu is a big deal in Japan, mainstream actually, he's also a big Nijisanji fan so he might have given them a good deal.

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>>3699589
>>3699843
those are randomly produced last i heard to give a proportional representation of large view videos

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>>3702764
Or maybe it's just because the views are just inflated by ad views and only 10k-ish people only watched it, which lines up with subscriber counts

[Anonymous No.]

why are they coming out with a group song to begin with? Wasn't niji supposed to be the anti-hololive or something?

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>>3703057
I would say they do more music related stuff than Hololive even if just by virtue of number of members. Almost every member in the company releases covers even the ones that have little focus on music in their regular streaming. They have also done a lot more live events at actual venues and album releases and things like that too where they have been a big deal for longer than Hololive. Just they don't tend to present it or market it as idols.

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>>3699579
Mafumafu is friends with Kanae it probably wasn't that bad

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>>3703057
Because they have gone from leading to following, and they don't seem to understand why HoloEN was such a big hit, so they are just mindlessly imitating

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>>3703057

>Wasn't niji supposed to be the anti-hololive or something?

my fucking sides holy shir

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>>3703288
If they were following HoloEN properly they'd need know they need to wait what almost 3 quarters of a year before releasing their first half assed group cover song.

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>>3703288
They aren't imitating anything. Nijisanji has plenty of music out there and the designs aren't anything "idol". It's so bizarre seeing

> , and they don't seem to understand why HoloEN was such a big hit

HoloEN was such a big hit because Hololive was extremely popular already due to clippers from 2019-2020, including chinks like hololive moments. Going by your vision, they should just close all of their overseas branches and just remain in Japan.

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>>3703464
They aren't following HoloEN, it's just a group. And a song with mafumafu is in no way "half-assed". Just fucking admit you just hate anything Nijisanji, it's easier.

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>>3703223
You say that but 3 girls releasing a joint song at their debut is pretty idol-like. Not even hololive and their idols are this blatant.

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>>3703522
I was talking about how HoloEN only just now released their first group cover song.

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>>3703564
They definitely feel idol-like to me, even if they aren't specifically being marketed as such. Which is why I'm seriously hoping they'll do something to shake things up during the actual debut.

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>>3703367
Imagine being this retard. In the mind of those dumbfucks, everyone not hololive in JP is anti-hololive.

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>>3703595
>>3703564
And I'm talking about how they are doing a song with a big producer to get more people. It's obvious where they are going on. Ads, song, all that shit is just investment to try to make it successful. Which they should do shit like this in a market they aren't as known and have a niche fanbase.

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>>3702204
>You prefer their shitty times where they had auditions and one month later it had debuts?
I mean those definitely aren't great, I just think they probably should've been more blunt in drumming up attention to NijiEN. Like teasing character silhouettes and a cryptic "Stay tuned" or "Coming Soon...".
I guess some of the clues they had dropped were obvious in hindsight though, like Deron doing her Apex EN stream, Sara doing some duolingo stuff, hiring clippers, some of their talents adopting English TLs, ect. And it's still good that they're advertising them since Nijisanji really isn't that well known in the west save for a relatively small following.

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>>3703719
Imagine having to spend money to make sure your new project is a success when you could just rely on the Chinks and Seaniggers clipping and translating your shit for free

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>>3703630
I dunno i'd say the closest thing to an idol unit they had in JP branch is probably Petite Fleurs and I kind of feel like they exemplify the kind of attitude they generally take. Mostly using the label for comedy when they're doing unidol like things but then also producing the kinds of content you'd expect from idols when it comes to things like music and live events.

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>>3703650
your english reps. it's not anti-hololive it's "the anti-hololive" as in the opposite which is what nijifags have been trying to sell it as.

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>>3703482
>taking over the niji subreddit because Hololive has a subreddit
>paying clippers because clips were an important part of Hololive's success
>paying reaction channels to watch said clips because everyone and their grandma was reacting to hololive clips back in october
>themed generation with a big trailer reveal
>only girls
Sure, buddy

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>>3703057
>>3703288

because you literally dont know anything about nijisanji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6jnAB4c7xQ

Nijis also perform songs and concerts like idols do, they have "units" too, the only difference is that they are allowed to interact with the opposite sex and dont have a "purity rule" binded to them, thats basically the only difference, but overall they perform and provide around the same content that hololive does (songs, games, joke streams, merchandisee, promotional content, etc).

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>>3699448
YT Ad service, even the "Who's?" of WACTOR got a ton of views on their respective introductions just because of it, but the views on the teaser were going to get past 200k anyways due to autists playing it on repeat.

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>>3703794
What chinks and Seanigger anon? all the good ones are already holofags. Were talking about TW holofags that spread Nene seal meme, and Seanigger like heakim who made aqua openings or tnbee who remix holo bgm. Niji chinks and seanigger are the worst kind that can only produce video like " why i prefer nijisanji"

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>>3703947

Overall content is only the same on paper. The entertainment industry is all about the execution. Like everyone plays minecraft, but some net like 200 viewers while others 20000.

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>>3704062
My point exactly

Imagine paying for advertising when your goslings do it for free

1 point for the Holofaggots

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>>3702204
I guess they took way too long to open auditions. Even the most contrarian dogfucker back in /jp/ knew from week two that HoloEN was a massive success. So why only November? Also I'm pretty sure that with the time they took, everyone here was in the right to expect at least something more elaborate from them.

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>>3699842
>he doesnt use ad block

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>>3703794
Retard, you preferred they launched the branch with nothing? Nijisanji can't win with you people, amazing. kek

>>3703758
I agree in a way but honestly, they are doing more than I expected them to do. Which they need to, otherwise nothing will happen.

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>>3703878
Themed "generation"? You mean something they did already in 2019?

> >paying reaction channels to watch said clips because everyone and their grandma was reacting to hololive clips back in october
They didn't pay anyone. If they paid, it would appear in youtube. They asked for.

Just admit you're a hololive fan and you have hate for nijisanji. It's funny how I see holofags who say nijifags are tribalists but there's so many holo fans like you who are just like nijisanji fans. Me as a fan of both sides, this is the worst.

>>3704574
This is more elaborate than anything they did before for any branch and more than any other agency did. lol Also, 5 months isn't something huge in time, it's totally reasonable for opening a branch, training, contracting managers, craeting live 2D, character design and all the shit that is needed after the audition. This is literally the same amount of time holoen had for hololive and holo id gen 2 had as well.

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>>3704634
Oh no, dont get me wrong

I'm even surprised they even bothered to advertise NijiEN given how hands off Ichikara can be

That said, by the time Ichikara realized they needed to advertise their new project to get Western eyes, they already knew they lost and are just trying to catch up

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>>3704634
They scorn the idea of having EOP viewers during their most glorious hour, and now they see their rival thrived in the market they decided they want EOP pies after all. Why makes you think they will get anything but scorn and ridicule back?

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People must not realize they've been trying to enter the english market for months now. Last year they hired a bunch of translators and editors just to make english clips for their English channel. None of those hit the algorithm though.

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>>3704861
The talents and the company have never "scorned" the idea. You can quite easily find clips from way back of the more popular talents with EOPs saying they're happy overseas are watching them. The company just seems to have failed to identify it as a market worth expanding into as quickly.

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>>3704861
Even if that happened, why the fuck be so toxic? I know this is 4chan and all but some of you act like they killed your family.

>>3704746
Agreed. Hopefully though, they have the rights expectations and leave them to grow slowly like the other branches.

>>3704923
Yeah, it's almost one year already since they have been trying. But holo already dominated and for everyone vtubers are idols and whatnot, so there's not much to go. They either remain in JP or they try.

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>>3705074
they kill my family. and i will remind them.

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>>3705074
The voice in my head compels me to do so

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>>3699448
Wait they debuted?

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>>3704923
What people don't really realize is that back in the day, Nijisanji had the same opportunity Hololive had with EOPs through clips. It's not like they have always been trying to catch up because hololive was lucky and they were not.
>>3704998
Yes. Some individuals kind of tried to interact with EOPs, I remember Himawari leaving a comment on a clip or two (doing it before it was cool, Korone would much, much later do the same). This is more like they just didn't take it seriously, it has more to do with how japs view things from outside and how it affects their business, you can see how often japs are surprised by stuff from there that's popular in the west and they had no idea. In the end of the day, what made the difference was that Hololive was the smaller company willing to find out how far those EOPs would take them.

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>>3703947
Hololive: quality above quantity, character design in batch with theme, seiso to attract underage viewer, management help with collab and off collab, helping each other to gain sub
Nijisanji: quantity above quality, permission easier to get, more freedom to love and hate each other among talents, discrimination between top dogs and the rest, strong competition

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I thought people were joking about the ads until I got one from Polka's stream

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>>3704923
Because the algorithm self-trained itself by pure accident to viralize Holo-related content on a near hourly basis if not shorter due to clippers filling the, at that time, fairly dead english VTubers category (Kizuna faded into irrelevancy).

Of course, the girls didn't speak EN but the clippers did and the clip channels were managed with people with atleast some understanding of english if not fully bilingual or live in some Anglo country(Absolute autists like L*ger were vital to this shit). Remember, the algorithm just wants people to keep watching stuff on YouTube to generate add revenue or just farm numbers, if it hypothetically assumed that

>Big views>Viral>Hololive > VTuber tag >EN subbed >English
Or some more concise logic and then goes back to the source (streams), that is not categorized as EN, then it kinda gives it a small correlation to the clips and the feeding loop just keeps repeating.

However, due to YT having some of the most advanced (unironically) anti-spam A.I. it will likely delete/filter/isolate/ similar events that instead of naturally developing like it knows happens, are clearly being crafted by outsiders/insiders (Bot spam, account creation spam, Ads (unironically too), suspicious activity, maybe even shilling, etc...), thus anything that isn't related to the Holos seems flat out suspicious to the bot, maybe not "DELETE THIS" level of suspicious but it does help explain why it could and IT WILL attack Chuubas at random when those suddenly experiment a growth that does not correlate to their group/category, it also works differently depending on the country/region so that's a thing too.

If anything, Nijifags should just support/clip them like normally and it will make the bot calm the fuck down and accept this is a thing that's happening.

Seriously Nijifaggots, the bot spam was too obvious, at least be subtle next time FFS

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>>3705595
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>Because the algorithm self-trained itself by pure accident to viralize Holo-related content on a near hourly basis if not shorter due to clippers filling the, at that time, fairly dead english VTubers category (Kizuna faded into irrelevancy).
>Of course, the girls didn't speak EN but the clippers did and the clip channels were managed with people with atleast some understanding of english if not fully bilingual or live in some Anglo country(Absolute autists like L*ger were vital to this shit). Remember, the algorithm just wants people to keep watching stuff on YouTube to generate add revenue or just farm numbers, if it hypothetically assumed that
>>Big views>Viral>Hololive > VTuber tag >EN subbed >English
>Or some more concise logic and then goes back to the source (streams), that is not categorized as EN, then it kinda gives it a small correlation to the clips and the feeding loop just keeps repeating.
>However, due to YT having some of the most advanced (unironically) anti-spam A.I. it will likely delete/filter/isolate/ similar events that instead of naturally developing like it knows happens, are clearly being crafted by outsiders/insiders (Bot spam, account creation spam, Ads (unironically too), suspicious activity, maybe even shilling, etc...), thus anything that isn't related to the Holos seems flat out suspicious to the bot, maybe not "DELETE THIS" level of suspicious but it does help explain why it could and IT WILL attack Chuubas at random when those suddenly experiment a growth that does not correlate to their group/category, it also works differently depending on the country/region so that's a thing too.
>If anything, Nijifags should just support/clip them like normally and it will make the bot calm the fuck down and accept this is a thing that's happening.
>Seriously Nijifaggots, the bot spam was too obvious, at least be subtle next time FFS

[Anonymous No.]

>>3699448
I got a this as an ad when I was watching Towa on my phone. Then it stays on at the bottom of my player forever unless I refresh.

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>>3699448
I’ve seen the ad multiple times today. Advertising isn’t the worst idea. Bc whatever they’re doing on Twitter isn’t cutting it.

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>>3699448
>428k views
>9k likes
what kind of black magic is that? Even Niji ID has higher likes.

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>>3705408
Nijisanji never would catch in the west due to their sheer number and how most of their vtubers are very japanese. Even if they tried, I doubt it would do much.

>>3705436
Do you really believe in this?

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>>3705882
Ads, that's the magic anon.

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>>3705436
Wanna know how I can tell you watch neither Holo nor Niji?

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>>3705838
If anything I think I'd say what they're doing on twitter is working better considering they have more followers there.

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>>3705908
useless, its good for $$$ but shit for inviting live viewers.

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>>3705762
If you love towa you will watch it till the end and visit advertiser
>>3705882
Read the thread you faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Was wondering why I never got the ad but then I realized I have jewtube premium

[Anonymous No.]

>>3705987
i just explained what caused the views, I know it's 100% futile from their parts, if anything I just get 200% mad at Chuuba ads that impede my ability to watch my respective chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

Viewbots. Nijishit is absolutely shameless.

Well technically it's not even bots but real viewers (or so they claim) but paid views nontheless.

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>>3705838
I think anybody expecting Nijisanji-EN to just take off like a bullet was kind of kidding themselves. It is going to take work and time to build the name in the west.

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>Viewbots. Nijishit is absolutely shameless.
>Well technically it's not even bots but real viewers (or so they claim) but paid views nontheless.

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>>3706301
There's also the fact they have to appear 'western' without shitting on the west, difficult to break state programming like that. Also camaraderie doesn't seem to come naturally for Niji, everyone seems separate and independent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3705436
This does makes sense. Is it also true that Nijisanji talents weren't given fixed monthly salary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3706301
As someone who has been following them for a while. I think it has been working just slowly. Half a year ago English comments on videos and tweets were practically non existent now I feel like I see them popping up all over the place. Just not something that has reached viral proportions like Hololive did.

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>>3706367
>Also camaraderie doesn't seem to come naturally for Niji
That's the natural consequence for having a top-heavy tiering of their talents. It's not in their best interests to help those who are lower to them that's why clique culture is very prevalent. You'll notice this when you watch their events. It's the same faces everytime. If your oshi is someone like Chima then more power to you because she'll never be given the chance to shine or be relegated as 2nd tier citizen.

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>>3706529
Chima just hasn't reached her time yet. She's about 10 back in the queue for 3d and she's growing really well for a nijisanji member currently. The only things I feel like really hold her back is that she obviously has other priorities outside of being a full time streamer and her shyness stopping her from getting too involved with collabs. This time last year she was celebrating 80k subs and now she's in the top 30 of the company. Things are looking bright for her.

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>>3699448
They are literally paying for views by making it an ad, that's what happened.

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>>3706411
I can see that, but even HL-EN, which had a bit of a leg up didn't start out with what they have now. They started strong, sure, but it still took work. Niji-EN probably won't have that strong a start, but it is a start, as you pointed out, but they just aren't going to have the same initial advantage HL did. They may be able to compete, but it'll take time and effort.

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>>3706981
What initial advantage did HoloEN have? As far as I recall the majority of people assumed they would have a trajectory similar to ID, which isn't a bad thing but obviously wasn't stellar. When Myth blew up they seemed to drag the rest of the company and industry with them. Niji had already tried an EN branch didn't they and they never got the same traction?

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>>3707378
The way I see it they had two major advantages:

1. HL-JP was better known among clipfags.
2. There wasn't really competition.

Nijisanji just didn't, and still doesn't, have as much western exposure as HL did. Tho as discussed before, that is changing as people are more aware of them. The previous Niji-EN never really got off the ground, possibly for the reasons listed above.

[Anonymous No.]

>debut happens late night
For what fucking purpose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3707739
It’s at 7pm/10pm on a Saturday in burger hours. It’s pretty much perfect if it weren’t for Ame’s podcast

[Anonymous No.]

>>3707378
I think this guy succinctly identified their differences >>3705436

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>>3707378
Their previous attempt at EN wasn’t even EN but instead they tried to rebrand IN and ID, I think, as EN which went as well as one expected cause who the fuck would want sloppy seconds and from fucking shit in looers pretending to be EOPs. Hell, even this whole EN thing is skeptical as hell assuming they didn’t recycle everything again. Mind you, this is the vtuber company that dominated so much of Japan their rival were literally forced out and had to pander to bugs for a good amount of time just to survive, enough money to basically rape half their talents and pay the lawsuit without causing a dent in their funds.

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>>3706981
What legwork? HoloEN popped off without any effort. It is quite literally the fastest growing gen of the entire company. Most of them were already at 200k a week and a half after debut and they passed Gen 5 numbers in a matter of few months.

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>>3703251
>Kanae
He's friends with Fuwa

[Anonymous No.]

>>3703251
he did the mixing for kuzuha's king for free as bday gift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3708192
Soraru did the mixing for Kuzuha's king, you guys talk such random shit

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>>3706301
Absolutely. People need to have the right expectations and see the context. They will grow but much slower.

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>>3706376
>Is it also true that Nijisanji talents weren't given fixed monthly salary?
It's more like a part-time job contract, because at first they only hired people like Mito to become Vtuber streamer to shill their L2D app, their Japanese twitter name is Nijisanji_app for a reason, but Mito is too much talent it blew up in Japan that they find more opportunity in become an entertaiment agency, that is why they operate like an indies union, you produce contents, you get the money

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>>3706529
This is false as heck. Much of what you talk about isn't because of "cliques", which btw, also exist on hololive due to generations format, but because many still need to get their 3D and a lot are getting on this year. Let's see if in 2022, when all of the ones with condition to get 3D, will appear more in events or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3706376
No, it doesn't make sense. Stop believing on tribalist bullshit you read on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3707800
No, he didn't. It's clear they don't watch nijisanji and is just saying stuff based on whatever anons say here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3708208
Sorry, honest mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3707961
"Leg up" not "legwork". A "leg up" is what someone else gives you to help you accomplish something.

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>>3707378
The whole of 2019-2020 just set the seeds for people to be excited for Hololive talents that more people could enjoy and understand.

1. CLIPS AND MEMES. Chinks and Seaniggers really liked the Holotalents and made clips and memes for them for free. People saw them and were interested as to who these Scatman chick and Band-aid girl really are.

2. Relevant collabs with IPs with a Western Audience. Hololive landed a collab with Azur Lane and Vanguard Zero, two IPs with decently sized audiences who overlap interests but may never have heard of Hololive or Vtubing until the collabs. For comparison, last year Niji collabed with Duel Masters Plays (A Japanese only Mobile Game) and WIXOSS (a Japanese only TCG)

3. Well known influencers found them first and rolled with it. Hololive really has to thank content creators like 8bitdrummer and Koefficient for bringing Hololive into the public eye who may have never heard of them. Almost all of their content in early 2020 has been about Hololive.

4. They just pandered to the West faster. They saw that there was an interest, and capitalized on said interest. Had they been too late, and most people would have moved on already or would have found other things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3709788
who the fuck plays duel masters? The anime was horrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>3709788
>known influencers
>koefficient

[Anonymous No.]

>>3707883
Those bugs ironically helped them in the long run

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>>3709770
fuck me I didn't read the post properly, gomen

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>>3709890
Anon-chama...

Duel Masters is one of the best selling TCGs in Japan.

If you think in the West, the big 3 TCGs is MTG-Yugioh-Pokemon, Duel Masters reguarly beats MTG in Japan

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>>3708415
I'm kinda interested as to how they'll grow. Will they get permissions to games or just stream whatever without considering legal implications, will they sing more, chat longer etc. They somehow have to have a greater western appeal to get near HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

Ads

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>>3714835
You mean sponsored content or pandering to youtube suggestion algorithms?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3715005
He means the kind that you pay for to show before a video or livestream starts you fucking retard, stop being defensive about facts

[Anonymous No.]

>>3714705
Niji doesn't care about permissions since Holofags don't rat out their talent for doing anything that could be slightly against the rules like it happens the other way around

[Anonymous No.]

>>3725537
Narukami is a holofag and ratted on Meiro. How new are you?