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3577077 No.3577077 [Reply] [Original]

Are you going to give NijiEN an honest chance and watch their debuts? Why or why not?

>> No.3577112

No because i already didnt give a chance to Call*ope and K*ara and surely nijisanji isnt any better than cover at finding good girls

>> No.3577116
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3577116

>>3577077
Post more Lulu

>> No.3577138

Yeah why not I need more vtubers that I can actually understand

>> No.3577171

Yeah, I’ll give them a try. I’m not optimistic though.

>> No.3577206

>>3577077
Sure, but if the predictions are true most of the talents aren’t gonna hold a candle to holo en or even some other vtubers.

>> No.3577210

>>3577077
Why wouldn't anyone at least give them a chance? Worst case is you spend an hour or less of your life being just as unproductive as usual. Best case you find a new chuuba to watch.

>> No.3577216

do their ENs all live in Japan?

>> No.3577220

I'll give them a shot, since HoloEN didn't really resonate with me.

>> No.3577242

>>3577210
Some people are just that dedicated to Hololive. They don't want to cheat on their company in a sense.

>> No.3577264

>>3577077
>open up nijiEN debut stream
>"HAHA DICKS COCKS BOOBS LOOK AT MY BOOBS I LOVE SLURPING SEM-"
>close stream

>> No.3577268

>>3577242
Im sure no one is that retarded its just shitposting

>> No.3577281

If the Hololive rejects are good, the real thing will be amazing

>> No.3577302

Potential avatar. Note this is from long time ago and subject to change.
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000108.000030865.html

>> No.3577309
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3577309

>>3577264
None of the potential NijiEN candidates we've seen so far act like that. Who gave you the impression that even NijiJPs act like that?

>> No.3577322

>>3577077
I have faith I'll at least like one of them.

>> No.3577324

>>3577309
I act like that

>> No.3577338

>>3577077
Why not

>> No.3577342

Sure, I'll check out the debuts.

>> No.3577345

>>3577324
Fuck off Hoshikawa.

>> No.3577352

>>3577302
The last girl ended up being used for the Korean branch. The rest I kind of doubt will be in NijiEN, they seem to be going for a crime theme.

>> No.3577362

>>3577077
Probably not, I already watch too many, and my time is limited.

>> No.3577375

>>3577309
I just wanted to shitpost.

>> No.3577416

>>3577352
>The rest I kind of doubt will be in NijiEN, they seem to be going for a crime theme.
>Crime theme
just go by NiggiEN

>> No.3577426

>>3577375
That's wrong, anon

>> No.3577432

only if they have erotic cunny avatar

>> No.3577449

>>3577077
when did lulu get tits?

>> No.3577466
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>>3577077
>Are you going to give NijiEN an honest chance
Yes.
>Why
Because it's the shiny new thing.
I sold my soul a long time ago

>> No.3577496

>>3577449
She always had huge tits.

>> No.3577497

>>3577352
>Fight Club.
>Godfather.
I think this is a hint for upcoming Liver. So my rrat is we will have one chuuba who have background in fighting or have underground/MMA/Boxing fighter as a theme and a Mafia themed vtuber.

>> No.3577504
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>>3577426
Then why does it feel so right?

>> No.3577511
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>>3577309
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
もげもげもげ

もげ もげもげ チチをもげ!
もーげプリリン ポヨンもげー もーげポロロン プヨンもげー
まんまるチッチッチ さんかくおぱーい ロケットボイーン

やさしく(もげ!) いきなり(もげ!)
微妙びみょうに(もげ!) 連続れんぞく(もげ!)

チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
もげもげもげもげ チチをもげ!
…もげ!

もげ もげもげ チチをもげ!
もーげポヨヨン パインもげー もーげパイイン ポインもげー
しましまチッチッチ おさるのおぱーい バズーカボイーン

今日きょうも(もげ!) 明日あしたも(もげ!)
とにかく(もげ!) 毎日まいにち(もげ!)

チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
もげもげもげもげ チチをもげ!
…もげ!

チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
チッチッチッチ おっぱい ぼいんぼいーん
もげもげもげもげ チチをもげ!
…もげ!

>> No.3577523

>open stream
>Not live yet
>close stream

>> No.3577553
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>>3577302
WOLFGANG ONEGAI

>> No.3577555

>>3577511
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8OcYo-oKEPA

>> No.3577558

Do we have any idea if Hana's Dad got in?

>> No.3577590

>>3577077
Yes but only if they're designs aren't bland. Good designs tells me whether they want to stand out or they want to be ignored and fade into obscurity

>> No.3577596

I'm a trabalistic fag so no

Niji took too long and i'd rather pay attention in keeping up with Hololive as it is

>> No.3577610

>>3577558
If he's in he'd be in the ID branch

>> No.3577626

>>3577077
Im not watching unless they have more to offer than a gimmick that they'll drop after a few streams. I dont watch for charity.

>> No.3577708

>>3577077
As I said before, give me loli in micro bikini and i watch it.

>> No.3577729

>>3577504
Don't use my oshi for shitposting

>> No.3577747

>>3577268
Hololive is full of partisan fans

>> No.3577752

>>3577511
Based department?

>> No.3577754

I'll definitely watch. I just hope they invest heavily in the EN branch, rather than their scattershot quantity over quality mentality they use normally.

>> No.3577755

>$103.50

>> No.3577765

No because i know one of the girls and she's an egirl whore

>> No.3577792

>>3577765
Why has your shitposting became more aggressive? You're the guy who said Yui had an e-boyfriend, right? You said you barely knew her, why're you calling her a whore?

>> No.3577850
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>>3577077
Yes, that being said my attention is hard to retain. I've followed several chuubas on the regular, but the pile I've dropped or pump'n'dumped is mountain sized.
I still sometimes tune to Claire and Rin, so the Niji logo isn't going to be a debuff for me.

>> No.3577873

>>3577077
Going to watch the debuts but can't promise more than that also want to see the models.

>> No.3577884

>>3577077
Yes, but I'll skip the live and watch the archive instead, so I can skip around - and if even so nothing manages to catch my attention, I'll close and call it quits.

>> No.3577913

Sure why not

>> No.3577917

>>3577755
>keep repeating about 103:50 without knowing the context.
You know that they are not supposed to turn on Superchat during that time and one of them forgot to turn it off?

>> No.3577971

>>3577917
>$
>1
>0
>3
>.
>5
>0

>> No.3577991

Honestly gonna be so disappointed if they make a small 3 members wave after so long, I feel the first one should be big to try to ensure some heavy hitters while also having some space for newcomers

>> No.3577999

>>3577077
No because I absolutely despise Nijisanji, their talent, and Ichikara in general. Will not watch a single second of their shit show.

>> No.3578018

>>3577971
Keep spamming that. It just make you look like idiot.

>> No.3578024
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>>3577116

>> No.3578026

>>3577917
Cope

>> No.3578033

>>3578018
05.301$

>> No.3578041

>>3577999
why?

>> No.3578045

>it's u anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-ulV1JCEc

>> No.3578046

>>3577077
Im only going to shitpost about them

>> No.3578054

>>3578026
Dilate and take your med.

>> No.3578076

>>3577416
>niggEN
My niggi

>> No.3578100

>>3577077
Of course, though I'm not sure if I'll be able to watch them after that, I already can't keep up with the vtubers I watch right now.
If EN brings in enough new blood to drown out the schizos currently plaguing the niji fanbase then they'll be a success in my eyes, either way.

>> No.3578105

>>3577755
>>3577971
I don't get it.

>> No.3578115

Yeah because being a holo purist is gay

>> No.3578137

>>3577077
I can watch debute but it depends what time they will do it.

>> No.3578148

>>3577077
How can I tribalpost both sides if I dont watch them?

>> No.3578155
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>>3577708
This

>> No.3578158

>>3578105
See this
>>3577917
Just Holotard being retard.

>> No.3578174

>>3578041
Their content in general is very low brow humor. They feature males in prime spots and let them collab with the girls. They bullied Luna so bad she had to quit. Horrible character designs and models in general. They mainly break up into chidish high school like cliques instead of having the loving family atmoshpere of hololive.

I could probably go on all day.

>> No.3578202

>>3577077
Of course, I'm not a tribalist retard like 90% of this board. If they're good I'll keep watching, if they're bad I won't, it's not rocket science.

>> No.3578210

>>3578158
One hundred and three dollars plus fifty cents.

>> No.3578228
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>>3577708
That's a bold request.

>> No.3578230

>>3577264
There are pure nijis as well you know. Like Himawari

>> No.3578231

>>3578174
>They bullied Luna so bad she had to quit
You realize this is just a narrative, right? As in there is no proof to this whatsoever. Sasaki and Luna even went out to eat together after she quit. Luna has a history of changing identities and Nijisanji was not the first time she did it. There's also plenty of talents that don't rely on lowbrow humor such as Rikiichi, who's very talented in the wordplay department in particular. And there is nothing (nothing) wrong with male and female collabs.

>> No.3578246

stop dancing around your guesses and outright state who's predicted to be in

>> No.3578248

>>3578174
I dont get the whole "childish cliques" thing entirely, it seems like their KR/ID groups get along fine.

>> No.3578254
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3578254

>>3577116
Oh, does anon like Lulu?

>> No.3578272

>>3578174
>They bullied Luna so bad she had to quit.
Can you stop repeating this shit rrat? She quit Niji because she is not doing well and want a fresh start. Where the fuck did you get this from anyway?
>They mainly break up into chidish high school like cliques instead of having the loving family atmoshpere of hololive.
Yup. Further proof that Holonigger don't even watch anything outside HoloEn clips. They have far more collab and event compared to Hololive.

>> No.3578274

>>3577309
>Who gave you the impression that even NijiJPs act like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIXZOyF_t4
I really don't want to give nijisanji a bad impression but the truth is the truth. Also of all people, Gundou is probably at the top of my list of people to throw under the bus
Also Utako isn't a saint either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTW8RM_mOH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqX1gUH6Z80

>> No.3578285

>>3578231
>there is nothing wrong with male and female collabs
I'm sure you have no issues with Tyrone collabing with your wife either. Cuck.

>Rikiichi
Literally who? The fat samoan WWE wrestler?

>> No.3578299

>>3578230
She is fat and ugly irl

>> No.3578323

>>3578230
Himawari, Lize, Lulu, Warabeda, Chima.

>> No.3578365

>>3578299
oggey

>> No.3578366

Pidor s dvacha poshli videm.

>> No.3578368

>>3578299
Nothing wrong with a thick girl, especially when you can just feel it through the sounds of her belly fat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0290S9YyopU

>> No.3578370

>>3578174
>They feature males in prime spots and let them collab with the girls
This isn't a bad thing. Even if you're tribalistic, Holostars are actually very fun once you get to know them. Also ID and EN seem to have no issue collabing with the guys, good for them.

>loving family atmoshpere of hololive.
If anything hololive feels stiffling in it's lack of any conflict. I don't want drama, but you can't honestly tell me +50 people all get along just fine with no issues at all, it's just hard to believe.

>> No.3578392

>>3578202
I don't think 90% of this board is tribalistic, they're just underage shitposters trying to fit in.

>> No.3578396

>>3578285
I have no problems with two entertainers taking on the stage together, no. If you make any conclusions about my sexuality from that you're thinking entirely too hard about it. If you don't even know the names of Nijisanji's most well known livers you're in no position to act as if you can make an accurate judgement of their content.

>> No.3578398

>>3578274
Utako is the worst. She makes the vshoujo girls seem like comic geniuses. She is literally "haha pee pee poo poo, I'm funny right guys?".

>> No.3578423

>>3577077
I'll give them the same shot I gave HololiveEN but I prefer not being able to understand my chuubas.

>> No.3578447

>>3578392
90% of this board is the same schizo arguing with himself

>> No.3578452

>>3578396
>most well known
I just looked him up and he averages like 3k viewers. That would be absolute bottom tier in hololive. That is one of the most well known? Is that the state of Niji these days? His make up also makes him look like a fag

>> No.3578476

>>3578392
It probably seems that way because they're the most vocal group

>> No.3578490

>>3577077
I'll drop by but,

if their designs are bad like overly sexual with a mafia theme, I'm out.

if their designs are good, but voice sucked like Kiara, I'm out

if their designs and voice is good, but isn't entertaining and has a bland personality, might leave a like and watch again in the future, but no sub and bell

If they do have a good design, voice, personality that is different than HoloEN and offers a variety of games to play especially roguelike/story based fps, I'll leave in a sub.

>> No.3578498

>>3578447
im 90% sure of this

>> No.3578505

>>3578452
Yes, in Hololive. He is not a Hololive member. Those are perfectly suitable numbers for a streamer of his size. I suppose you must be a Chumbud if you judge everyone by their numbers, I pity the shark for her fanbase being this way. If you think literal clown makeup is faggish that is entirely a (you) problem.

>> No.3578536

>>3578447
No I'm not.

>> No.3578548

>>3578490
Who is your oshi?

>> No.3578557

>>3578505
I pity retards like you who call anybody they dont like as cumbuds.

>> No.3578562

>>3577077
No, I won't support male vtubers and you know Niji is going to put one in there. Same reason I don't watch holostars or Niji proper.

>> No.3578575

>>3578476
True, that's a good point.

>>3578447
Kek.

>> No.3578582
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3578582

Do you guys sub to a variety of stuff you may not watch or do you only subs to things you do watch? I for the life of me cannot imagine subbing to something to someone I don't watch frequently, but apparently some people leave a subs as a sign of support (which I think is retarded as hell)

>> No.3578593

>>3578557
t. chumkek

>> No.3578599

>>3578557
I said Chumbud, not "Cumbud". But thanks for confirming the fact that you're a tribalistic shitposter.

>> No.3578643

>>3578599
says the retard attacking gura's fanbase

>> No.3578665

>>3577077
I'll take a peek and forget about them the next day. I already have too many to watch.

>> No.3578694

>>3578643
Did you take me pointing out the fact that Chumbuds are typically numberfags as an attack? Well, if the shoe fits.

>> No.3578700

>>3578643
Congratulations for outing yourself, cumbutt.

>> No.3578719

If maid mint is in it I’ll be watching a lot
She’s a good entertainer and I want to see what they do on the niji mc server

>> No.3578728

>>3578582
Yeah, I do that because who I watch often depends on my mood and I want to know what people are up to. You do you, but I don't really see a subscription as anything worth preserving.

>> No.3578735

>>3578694
amazing reddit logic, I suggest you to go back

>> No.3578748

>>3578548
Suisei, Pekora, Ina, Gura

>> No.3578772
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3578772

NO MALES EVER!!

>> No.3578777

>>3578582
i sub if i like them or if i want updates on them
i think pity subbing is stupid

>> No.3578791

>>3578748
That's a lot of oshis, anon. You can't pick one? I feel that.

>> No.3578794
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>>3578490
based roguelike autist

>> No.3578801
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>>3578772
>is probably being pumped by her boyfriend, as we speak

>> No.3578813

>>3578748
>holoEN
Opinion disregard.

>> No.3578819

>>3578772
MALE INSIDE MIKOS ASS

>> No.3578824
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3578824

>>3578694
>you must be a Chumbud if you judge everyone by their numbers
>I pity the shark for her fanbase
I would call these compliments as well

>> No.3578834

>>3578735
You came into this thread specifically to protect the honor of Hololive and by extension Reddit Dragon. Just give up.

>> No.3578836

>>3578813
Why are you scared of other opinions, anon?

>> No.3578850

>>3578813
You will never be Japanese.

>> No.3578855
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3578855

>>3578772
migobi...

>> No.3578871

>>3578834
keep telling yourself that schizo

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3578874

>>3577077
It's already hard enough keeping up with Hololive and Yua. No thanks.

>> No.3578879

Yeah, maybe one of them might the next lulu

>> No.3578890

>>3578748
>having more than one oshi
EOPchama...

>> No.3578894

>>3578582
I don't sub for support, that's a dumb idea. As long as I enjoy some of their videos, I'll subscribe. I only have notifications for my oshi though, since I never miss her streams.

>> No.3578904

>>3578819
>MALE INSIDE MIKOS ASS
THAT'S ME

>> No.3578921

>>3578871
If you aren't trying to defend Chumbuds and Hololive, why are you still replying?

>> No.3578927

>>3578834
>Reddit Dragon
is this batsoup I smell?

>> No.3578934

>>3578890
>Not having a heart big enough to love more than one talented girl
SEAchama...

>> No.3578937

>>3578548
Jerma

>> No.3578949

No.

>> No.3578953

>>3578490
>like overly sexual with a mafia theme, I'm out.
>overly sexual with a mafia
Im in

>> No.3578966

>>3578366
Haхyй пocлaн.

>> No.3578993

>>3578368
>49 kg
>fat
Is she a fucking midget?

>> No.3579012

>>3578921
why cant I attack gura in peace, the post

>> No.3579014

>>3578934
Faggot the whole meaning of oshi is to have one you love the most

>> No.3579032

>>3579012
When did I attack Gura?

>> No.3579034

>>3578993
most japs are on the limit of being one

>> No.3579049

>>3578490
Half of your points were comparing them to the HoloEN though, shouldn't they be judged on their own merits and flaws? Also who the fuck believes that a debut is in any way an indicator of a chuuba 's actual personality. Tell me a single one who acts the same as in their debut.

>> No.3579052

>>3578855
Fake image

>> No.3579070

>>3578966
>>3578366
Bы cyки, aнy быcтpo пpитвopилиcь aмepикaнцaми

>> No.3579087

>>3579032
>why cant I attack guras fanbase in peace, the post
ftfy, whats the excuse now?

>> No.3579101

>>3577302
The design of the high school yankee boy is really good

>> No.3579104

>>3578643
>gura's fanbase
Chumsharts should be bullied in every single chance you get. One of the worst retards in the entire EN V-tuber spehere

>> No.3579111

>>3579052
>he lacks critical information

>> No.3579150

>>3579014
What a sad existence you live if you can't equally love more than one person a great deal. SEA hearts truly are a withering thing, aren't they?

>> No.3579160

>>3578934
Literally, who or what implanted you retards the idea that having an oshi means you only watch or care about that one particular girl? Oshi just means your favorite of the bunch.

>> No.3579186

>>3579104
>he's too afraid to spell Cum

>> No.3579187

>>3579150
Thsn just say you have the girls you like the most not "oshi". The whole term "oshi" comes from an idol culture and means fan's one biggest love.

>> No.3579204

>>3579087
When did I attack Gura's fanbase? Do you take the term numberfag as an attack?

>> No.3579214

>>3577077
Only if there is a male, and if not, only if there's a girl who is like Ange or Ryushen

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3579216

>>3579150
stop triggering my idolfag autism retard

>> No.3579244

>>3579204
>>you must be a Chumbud if you judge everyone by their numbers
>>I pity the shark for her fanbase

>> No.3579270

>>3579187
If my love for A = my love for B, and my love for A and B is greater than any other, then both A and B are my oshi.

>> No.3579273

>>3579187
Oshi means "push", literally. The term isn't as special or significant in it's usage as you think it is. Many Japanese fans have multiple oshis in whatever it is they're interested in. Box pushing or 箱推し is also a thing, where you have an entire group as your oshi.

>> No.3579289

>>3579150
>>3579187
>Semantic arguing
Anons, please.

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3579312

>>3579070
Ya americanets.

>> No.3579326

>>3579289
>Not devolving into pedantic purity tests
t. new

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3579347

He's coming and you know it, Nijiniggers.

>> No.3579353

>>3579244
Yes, I did call them numberfags. Do you take the term numberfag as an attack? That's the only way you could interpret this as an affront in any way. If you feel attacked by the term numberfag, it's very easy to simply not be one.

>> No.3579380

>>3579273
you think anyone in this gossip board knows? they call all women fujos, single support "oishi" cant even spell simple japanese words that are overused in anime

>> No.3579395

>>3579347
Doubt he knows what Nijisanji even is. He wasn't even aware of Hololive's existence until TT.

>> No.3579409

>>3579273
Oshi is contraction of 推しメン

>> No.3579419

>>3579353
>>I pity the shark for her fanbase [for supposedly being numberfags]
Jesus anon, you stupidity is leaking..

>> No.3579441

>>3579409
Which would be short for "oshi member", right? That doesn't really change it's usage or meaning in any way.

>> No.3579500

>>3579419
So you take my personal dislike of numberfags as an attack? Again, it's very easy to just stop being one.

>> No.3579508

>>3577268
You'd be wrong, unfortunately.

>> No.3579517

>>3579441
in the strictest sense, "oshimen" refers to your favorite member. ("Luna is my oshimen") and "oshi" can be either a noun or verb ("I oshi Luna", "I'm a Luna oshi")

that is how it is used. One should have one oshi traditionally

>> No.3579613

>>3579517
Well, as you've pointed out, language evolves. It's not uncommon that you see fujoshi oshi-ing a ship they like, writing AB推し, or someone oshi-ing an entire group as I mentioned before. It dilutes the original intention a bit, but acting as if it's strictly used to refer to one absolute favorite nowadays is simply wrong.

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nijiEN insider here, this is one of the girl, it will have three girls, two guys, one non gender mascot

>> No.3579629

>>3579500
>>you must be a Chumbud if you judge everyone by their numbers (assumption)
>>I PITY THE SHARK FOR HER FANBASE
keep trying to deflect it for as long as you want retard, ill keep pasting this

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>>3578643
>nooo you can't criticize my oshi's fanbase who've objectively proven themselves to be the most toxic and cancerous spamming retards on the board
God, need a change of diapers?

>> No.3579645

>>3579070
Éo hiểu cái gì hết. Nhưng tao đây là một SEAnigger.

>> No.3579664

>>3577077
>niji
Stopped reading there. Never forget, never forgive.

>> No.3579676

>>3578285
Stop projecting your fetishes into others, anon.

>> No.3579684

>>3579618
You just want to shill the girl you like, huh?

>> No.3579707
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>>3577077
Why would I when this new vtuber Aozora Kurumi is way better than anyone NijiEN could get.

>> No.3579741

>>3579664
Oh aloecuck nice to see you here

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>>3579618
Based, Falcomchads will RULE another board.

>> No.3579766

>>3577077
No.
I already don't have time to watch the HoloENs and have to skip a lot of streams.
Once the covid wfh thing ends I'll dial it down even more.

>> No.3579772

>>3579707
>SEAdog company
yeah no, thanks

>> No.3579789

>>3579772
You'll regret it anon. She is very cute.

>> No.3579811

>>3577077
No. The way Niji tossed their IN branch around like a sack of shit, the way they throw spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, and their approach to appealing to EOPs make me cringe and unmotivated to support them. Also, I have indies/smaller agency chubas to watch anyway. We can talk all day about how shit Cover/Hololive management is but at a least they seem to care a little more about group cohesion and the overseas audience.

>> No.3579863

>>3579644
You forgot the wojak picture, Im sure you have a folder full of them.

>> No.3579872

>>3579644
Stop being a massive faggot anon, you complained about tribalism, you got called out for your own bs. Now be a man and admit/drop it, nobody wants to read your idiotic arguments here.

>> No.3579903

>>3579326
I'm not new, I'm just not dumb or bored enough to do that atm.

>> No.3579907

>>3577077
No because i have already been disapointed by both holo EN and EN indies

>> No.3579938

>>3579907
Isn't that just more of a reason to give them a chance?

>> No.3579952

>>3579907
Come now there's at least one indie that isn't so....bad...right? I say this when I've dropped them all and have become more attached to a JP indie that speaks English all stream...

>> No.3579966

>>3579938
that's not how the world works

>> No.3579983

>>3579907
Remember: you will never be japanese.

>> No.3580001

>>3577077
Too much effort to find. I found the holos because they feature each other's channels. Nijis don't do that so I never fall into a rabbit hole.

>> No.3580004

>>3579907
>Isn't that just more of a reason to give them a chance?
not really, especily since there are rumors that one of the indies i droped will be joining nijien
>>3579952
there might be some out there but at this point i will just stick to the jp ones i already found

>> No.3580011

>>3577268
HoloEN fanbase is full of Americans. They like to be "patriótic" to corporations

>> No.3580025

>>3579983
What does that have to do with him being disappointed with dogshit "entertainers"?

>> No.3580062

the cliquiness of nijis turns me off a little bit but i'll probably check em out

still though, don't really have a great view of niji from the roa and moruru stuff

>> No.3580068

>>3579983
well duh. i will never be german and i still learned the language so i could live and work in germany
nor will i ever be british but i still learned englisch to have an easier time on the internet
don't be a brainlet anon

>> No.3580073

>>3577077
Sure. I watch few Nijis already. They have top tier lolis.

>> No.3580077

>>3579872
You're not replying to the same anon.

>> No.3580089

>>3580011
Gee, I wonder where this anon is from

>> No.3580123

>>3580089
cry mutt

>> No.3580191

>>3580062
That how real friends work. Also just because there are several circle inside doesn't mean this circle are hostile with each other. I mean doesn't Hololive have their own cliques too?

>> No.3580195

>>3577077
Didn't even know they were doing an EN branch. That's nice, I'll see if they catch my interest.

>> No.3580236

>>3577206
Lol. One of the Niji EN girls is Nyanner's alternate account. How can Holo EN even compete?

>> No.3580237
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After Gura raped all the "LOL west hates lolis" retards I'm expecting 3/5 little girls.

>> No.3580245

>>3578813
Actually kill yourself, faggot.

>> No.3580254

>>3578370
>If anything hololive feels stiffling in it's lack of any conflict. I don't want drama, but you can't honestly tell me +50 people all get along just fine with no issues at all, it's just hard to believe.
They don't. However, they actively work to prevent minor rifts from growing, and have talents spend multiple months bonding before they even begin streaming.
Keeping their idol girls from fighting each other is a priority of theirs.
>>3579629
Anon, stop acting like a tard. Gura's great, chumbuds are shit. Everyone in the /hlg/ and /hlgg/ threads recognizes this.

>> No.3580291

>>3580237
Do that and no one would ever watch them. Gura's the only special case for loli-themed characters.

>> No.3580306

>>3579618
Character from the anime trails of cold steel

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>>3579863
>Expecting Wojaks from a Watameposter
Newfags reveal themselves so easily. On to >>>/v/ with you.

>> No.3580331

>>3580291
Sure thing retard. It's almost like Nyanners always used a loli avatar or something. West is just as crazy about loli as Japan.

>> No.3580334

>>3577077
No, because I'm a weeb. The entire point of watching vtubers is to not be reminded of real life and watching English vtubers will remind you of 3DPD.

>> No.3580344

I'll watch the debuts, I won't give a chance because I have no interest in watching EN vtubers.

>> No.3580351

>>3580344
you can just do a flip anytime anon

>> No.3580355

>>3579863
on this board wojaks are sheeps and frogs are ogeys.

>> No.3580360

>>3580291
The biggest pre HoloEN western vtuber is a loli that got popular by making a song about a loli hentai doujin.

>> No.3580375

>>3578813
>Thinking HoloEN is hated categorically
Reps.

>> No.3580395

>>3580334
And Japanese ones aren't 3dpd?

>> No.3580425
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>>3580395
2.5D

>> No.3580437

I hope they are successful. More variety is always good.

And give me a demon loli that plays Apex 24/7 like Chihiro.

>> No.3580446

>>3577077
i'll watch the debuts but i honestly care more about the debut threads than the talents themselves. if they're good i may stick around for a few streams post debut.

>> No.3580465

>>3580425
Gura and Ina are more 2.5D than anyone in JP. It's insane how good Ina's taste is. Predator watchalong was so good.

>> No.3580499

>>3580446
Most of western fanbase cares more about niji drama than their chuuba, they will be Prism tier at best

>> No.3580529

>>3580499
You sound like fags laughing at HoloEN and claiming they won't even hit 100k subs right before debuts.

>> No.3580533

>>3580395
The Japanese are more seiso for the most part. Forbid that I have to listen to HAHA DICK VAGINA SSSEEEEEXXXXXXXXXX.

>> No.3580568

>>3580533
>The Japanese are more seiso for the most part

You have no idea what you are talking about.

>> No.3580585

debut when

>> No.3580591

>>3580568
Enlighten me seiso master.

>> No.3580602

>>3580533
So who do you watch?

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>>3580077
Sure you arent.

>> No.3580623

>>3580585
They usually have debuts a couple of days after the announcement. So expect them to debut this week or the next.

>> No.3580624

>>3579645
way to expose yourself vietnigger
t. vietnigger

>> No.3580637

>>3577077
What if Niji EN debuts a vtuber that's even more Wiggerish than Calli?

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>>3580533
>anon doesn't like my content
just hurts

>> No.3580732

>>3580637
Then they'd get a Japanese fanbase because they love that shit. Especially if the chuuba speaks some katakoto japanese with a heavy accent.

>> No.3580747

>>3580602
I'm currently watching Marin playing RE8 and Polka with her Flare collab. I would watch more, but my computer is a toaster so I can't watch more vtubers unless I shut off FFXIV which I'm currently playing.

>>3580672
Coco isn't someone I would want to watch, but I can just mute the mpv and glance on the mpv once in a while to know what Coco is doing.

>> No.3580774

>>3577264
What are you a nun?

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>>3580312
>he doesnt even call himself a sheeposter and yet calls other people newfags

>> No.3580793

>>3580732
I bet she won't be as fluent as Calli especially when Calli says Narutohodo.

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>>3580780
Based Watamelon.

>> No.3580819

>>3577077
Already watching Lulu, but should I watch anyone else besides her? Is there any other nijimember who's as comfy as Lulu?

>> No.3580829
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>>3580591

>> No.3580863

>>3580829
What year is that from?

>> No.3580892

>>3580863

Early 00's.

>> No.3580905

Haдeюcь, oни взяли pycню. Хoтя бы oднy.

>> No.3580926

>>3578248
It's mostly just people that don't actually watch them repeating something they've heard I assume. Probably a narrative that got started by someone trying to twist people who get along particularly well collabing with each other frequently into something negative?

>> No.3580940

>>3580905
Do you like Botan, anon?

>> No.3580960

>>3580940
I do. How did you know?

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>>3577077
Sure, if they EVER FUCKING DEBUT

>> No.3580984

>>3580829
Opinions on sex are different from sexual actions. It's been proven multiple times that Japanese people are much more likely to be virgins than Westerners. Sure, they may care less about chastity, but in reality they're practicing it more.

>> No.3581004

>>3580966
Well I assume they'll have a date in the next 24hrs

>> No.3581007

>>3580966
tomorrow famalam

>> No.3581022

>>3580966
They're literally going to debut this week

>> No.3581025

>>3580960
Just a hunch. Good taste, Russiabro.

>> No.3581057

>>3580892
it's 20s now, get with the time grandpa

>> No.3581067

>>3580236
>One of the Niji EN girls is Nyanner's alternate account
Proof?

>> No.3581074

>>3581057
This post makes me feel old.

>> No.3581080

I just want to see the design and shitpost about it
aaaaaaaaaaah

>> No.3581100

>>3580344
You will never be japanese

>> No.3581113

>>3581067
His ass. Which should be obvious.

>> No.3581128

>>3581100
If females can become males and vice versa then he can become jap too

>> No.3581180
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>>3581022
>an announcement of an announcement

>> No.3581187

Post the potential nijiEN girl list, I completely forget about them.

>> No.3581189

>>3580926
Well the roa meiro debacle pretty much set the perception of western fans who dont know much about niji toward this clique things being real. rrat or not

>> No.3581196

>>3581128
False premise.

>> No.3581224

>>3581022
This is worse than Qfaggotry.

>> No.3581232

日本人じゃなくても日本語は喋れる
It just feels like a waste of time to watch en when I could be practicing my listening and learning vocabulary instead, while at the same time being entertained.

>> No.3581233

>>3578254
AWOOGAH

>> No.3581243

>>3581189
i mean, if one of your promising new girls gets bullied into graduation it's going to not look great for you when the bullying comes from inside the company

especially if it happens multiple times

>> No.3581247

>>3581100
not if I marry japanese girl

>> No.3581266

>>3581196
Just become like 150cm, yellow and have slit eyes. Nothing impossible

>> No.3581268

>>3581189
That wasn't really even a clique thing though. Just two colleagues having a dispute that got way out of hand due to poor management of the situation and stubbornness from both parties.

>> No.3581303

>>3581189
>Roa
>Meiro
>clique.
They are both retarded menhera. Nothing to do with clique shit.
>>3581243
Who and where is your proof?

>> No.3581307

>>3581224
The CEO implied on Reddit that there will be a proper announcement tomorrow
Look at the date of their last gen announcement
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1291207912371576833?s=21
They debuted 3 days after it
Ergo the EN branch will debut this week, a couple of days after the announcement

>> No.3581318

>>3581243
She wasn't bullied into graduation? She got her contract terminated after leaking confidential information following repeatedly giving the company ultimatums about resigning and actually doing it and then cancelling it one of those times.

>> No.3581369

>>3581307
will the announcement of their announcement at least have pictures or even silhouettes? i need to know when we're going to get visual confirmation of nijiEN

>> No.3581373

>>3581307
>all 5 of them have bland names and are literally just the same schoolgirl model with different hair colors
You did it again, Nijisanji, you did it again.

>> No.3581393

>>3581373
It's literally a year old

>> No.3581398

>>3581373
If this happens I will consume my shorts.

>> No.3581420

>>3581369
Yeah they show the designs clearly as you can see in that announcement, you'll be able to see what everyone looks like tomorrow

>> No.3581429

>>3581268
>>3581303
Maybe, but good luck explaining that to prospective new fans

>> No.3581440

>>3581243
Oh and if you are talking about Meiro, she was actually supported by her senpais like Chaika and Shiina so she is not exactly alone. And those guys are far more powerful than Roa. But she being dumbfuck and trusted Niggerkami.

>> No.3581460

>>3581420
ah nice

>> No.3581491

>>3581429
If only some nigger didn't go around and spread this dumb, dedechi tier rrat.

>> No.3581500

>>3578231
Not a narrative, but a well documented issue that runs rampant in Nijisanji.

>> No.3581529

>>3580245
HoloEN is absolutely trash, cope more

>> No.3581538

>>3581440
It seems to me like quite a lot of effort all round went into trying to settle it amicably. I mean I imagine with most companies if you tried to coerce them with threats of quitting as a new employee you'd be fired on the spot. Let alone being accepted back into the company after resigning.

>> No.3581540
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>>3581187
Here's my list so far:
>Ryuusei Nova (cute, nice singing voice)
>Maid Mint (might just be a health-related graduation, would be kinda shitty to show in NijiEN after saying you're not in good health rather than just having a normal graduation. cute girl)
>Hazard Hornet (obligatory male, a /m/ sperg of the worst kind and just an all around unpleasant person. graduation and sudden shutting off makes it obvious he's in, although I really wish it wasn't the case.)
>Shirogane Yui (kind of a proactive yabber, testy and had a weird semi-debut not-debut by collaborating with other tubers.
>Fuzuki Miki (was formerly the rrat in Tsunderia, went back to her indie vtuber, then graduated not even a couple weeks ago. Nice girl, like a less retarded Ame in a way)
>Runa Kei (idol-focused, cute. Not much to say about her since she streamed very little prior to her graduation. Amazing voice though)
>Midorikawa Cream (didn't quite say it was a graduation, only said she's going to be a long break. Was a great, fun streamer, very high effort, but it may just be a real break.)
>Namirin (honestly could be VSingers, NijiEN, or Holo EN Gen 2, she's arguably the highest spec person here since she sings, draws well, and is an American who now lives in Tokyo.)
There's obviously a high chance there's going to be someone completely unknown joining the line-up as well.

>> No.3581549

>>3581500
According to who? Where is the document and proof? Who is the victims?

>> No.3581571

>>3581500
An "issue" with no proof to suggest it even exists is just that, a narrative.

>> No.3581577

>>3579664
Go back to R*ddit or do your reps, retard

>> No.3581581

>>3581540
Miki is graduating after the NijiEN debut, most likely (hers is on 21st)

>> No.3581589

>>3581491
This is the rrat that finally kills niggerkami tho, unless he resurrect somewhere ?

>> No.3581610

>>3581581
>Miki is likely HoloEN Gen 2
A surprise, but a welcome one.

>> No.3581622

>>3581500
oggey

>> No.3581626

>>3581440
I doubt it was about trusting him, she just figured out she was fucked since her emotional blackmail didn't work out so she just put it all on fire as a final fuck you.
>>3581589
He just streamed the other day.

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>>3581610
Going to be a funny situation if that actually happens. Literally a repeat of Risu and HER.

>> No.3581732

>>3577077

Sure, I'm interested especially because niji seems to be a little less chained down than holo is. Could lead to some pretty interesting things or concepts.

>> No.3581736 [DELETED] 

>>3581732
no

>> No.3581749

>>3581727
Who?

>> No.3581785

>>3580966
They are going to debut in x+1 days, don’t worry.

>> No.3581787

>>3578993
she's 153cm tall, i don't understand where they get the "fat" idea from.

>> No.3581816

>>3577077
Yeah i will. And this will be a great challenge for them to compete with HoloEN. Hope they can handle it.

>> No.3581819

>>3581749
Gura's roommate.

>> No.3581831

>>3580829
>Korea is the only good asian country if you forget their split north faction
They also have the best language too!

>> No.3581858

>>3577077
I'm sure they will do fine, but I have too many vtubers that I watch already and can't take on more.

>> No.3581863

Will the NijiENs be the Black Ships of Nijisanji?

>> No.3581921

>>3581863
If more clipfags emerge for Nijisanji as a result of it then yes.

>> No.3581936

>>3581732
I'm more interested on what you consider interesting concepts. Is it the model? the back story? How dirty/lewd they push the stream? How autistic they are?. Cause its hard to believe were going to encounter anything new with the oversaturation we have now

>> No.3581990

>>3580533
>t. EOP

>> No.3582114

>>3581936
Not him, but unrestricted collabs, being able to mention their more controversial coworkers by name, more 3D streams, being able to do the kind of shit Mito does with her 2.5D streams without a manager babysitting them making sure they don't accidentally show anything they aren't supposed to... I know Mint liked to do birdwatching streams. I think she'd be able to do that in Nijisanji as well. Shit like that.

>> No.3582141

>>3582114
Oh, and Nijisanji has a shit ton more permissions than Hololive, so more game variety as well

>> No.3582217

>>3582114
>>3582141
enjoy your apex stream i guess

>> No.3582259

>>3577077
I'll give them a chance, HoloEN didn't really fill the bill for me. I'll be honest, what I'm really looking for is a Japanese ESL who focus on zatsudans and occasionally plays a collab-oriented game.

>> No.3582260

>>3581863
Isn't that this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owD2ZVevgMc

>> No.3582275

>>3581540
Mint announced her graduation before she had her health test, so health wasn't the reason for her graduation. She was going to be graduating anyway.

>> No.3582292

>>3582217
Ogey

>> No.3582366

>>3582114
hmm
>unrestricted collabs
Certainly big, but how many interesting collab opportunities are there? Vshojo and then what?
>mention their more controversial coworkers by name
i have no how is this going to make interesting concepts
>3D streams
If you think nijien will have anything resembling good 3D for their 3rd in line foreign branch anytime soon....
> shit Mito does
Certainly a big plus if a right personality can utilize it
>manager babysitting
not sure how to comment on this
> birdwatching streams
Irl stream? is it even forbidden for holo EN? Kiara did all that review stream and vacation photo sharing stream all the time
>>3582141
Minecraft, Apex, Newest fad in the town
etc etc. yeah game permission is such a joke at this point

>> No.3582733

>>3582366
Most of the time when I check there tend to be around 20ish games played each day that aren't Apex or even Minecraft in the JP branch. Today
uma musume, pokemon snap, no mans sky, genshin impact, resident evil village, monster hunter rise, mahjong soul, amagami, nintendogs, mooz, yomawari, matching app, hollow knight, resident evil 7, brain age game, marchen forest, valorant, dead by daylight, yabatanien

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>>3581936
We need a western Noraneko, someone with pure unfiltered autism who happens to carry a 5000 IQ megabrain at the same time, literally the LA CREATIVIDAD of the vtuber sphere.
>pitted one ubereats driver against another on stream
>played werewolf all alone
>hijacked the nyancat relay and sang it for 13 hours straight, leading to kino moments like almost choking trying to eat food
>cooked worm sushi
>the infamous stream where she asked taka (indonesian man) to teach her how to cook naan (indian food)
>imitated hiromoot's zatsudans stream
>did eigo-only totsumachi for a straight hour with people who speak broken eigo, resulted with unforgettable moments like "DO YOU RAIKU DONARUDO TORAMPU? I RAIKU DONARUDO TURAMPU"
>decided to celebrate 200k by putting clothespins on her nipples, get injured in the process, have an infection and ended up having to go to the hospital
>singing while doing flash math until she hit 250k
>did an endurance stream to push Gilzaren to 100k, called him on stream, then left him all alone to talk to her chat
Take one look at her channel history and you'll notice she almost never does the same things twice

>> No.3583048

>>3582733
20ish games is very fucking small variety for a branch with 3x times the number the other agency have. I still see no RTS, no colony building games like rimworld, no simulation games. More game permission do shit all when the majority of streamers them self arent into other genre which this board loves.

>> No.3583082

>>3577610
He's the American half, bro.

>> No.3583708

>>3583048
>I still see no RTS, no colony building games like rimworld, no simulation games
Ah, so you're a /v/tard, opinion discarded

>> No.3583741

>>3583048
>RTS, no colony building games like rimworld, no simulation games
what a specific set of games that keeps being repeated in any thread about prospective chuubas
are you the same guy asking for a simulator game chuuba or is there really that many anons who want it?

>> No.3584039

>>3583708
I dont get it, were talking about variety of video games that hypothetically can make Niji en more interesting or at least give it a niche that holo doesnt have and i list some of the games that may do that but then its /v/tard with you
>>3583741
Nope. But we are talking about EN so of course those genre keep getting mentioned.
I dont know how many but i assume its not insignificant. for example rimworld and total war subreddit have almost as many members as hololive sub.

>> No.3584111

>>3577077
I'm gonna watch their debuts then probly never take a look at them again, because I've been spending way too much time than I should on watching Hololive talents and posting here. I aimed to cut down on that, but I ended up branching out to indies (e.g. Mana Futakuchi) and Nijisanji (e.g. Hana and Bonnivier) instead. Who the fuck needs alcohol, tobacco or drugs when you can be addicted to living anime characters doing variety streams?

>> No.3584212

yea I definitely will and hope Ryuusei Nova is among them, really liked her and regret she graduated

>> No.3584590

>>3583048
Hayama was playing a driving simulator the other day. She kept driving on first gear though.

>> No.3584636

>>3583741
/v/ is obsessed with simulator games like dorf fortress and strategy games going way back, it's likely different people. I do agree that the "they're not playing the niche Western PC game genres that I like so the games suck" is very annoying

>> No.3584731

>>3584636
the one roguelike autist is definitely one person though

>> No.3585017

I have doubts that Miki Fuzuki is a Niji. There’s also dokibird who retiring at the end of the week I think.
I’ll watch their debuts and hope there are 1 or 2 that worth watching.

>> No.3585132

>>3584636
Hey i find it very annoying too, but context is important. In this thread op asked if youre going to give Niji EN a chance?. I think i wont but then some poster said they have more variety in games so im hopeful for games like above but nope, the list they gave me pretty much is the same as what Holo EN already playing. Which brings me back to my earlier position that i wont bother giving them a chance if they are going to end up as discount Holo EN.

>> No.3585298
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3585298

>>3577077
I will only watch my boy Hazard Hornet when he finally becomes the poster boy of NijiEN and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>> No.3585589

>>3581540
Based /m/ sperg

>> No.3585679

>>3581540
I will definitely give Cream a chance if she's in.

>> No.3586199

>>3582366
> is it even forbidden for holo EN?
No but its under controlled environment and usually needs a few steps with the chuubas manager so they can be there to help/intervene as needed. They are also edgy on the details like Kiara's long black gloves and camera placement/angle being allowed barely any breathing room as precautions.

>> No.3586471
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3586471

Imagine being a tribalfag.

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