/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>so many indie chuubas deserve to be saved but they will never make it
>a few privileged whores can be lazy fucks and still have an audience because they belong to a big Corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
yes, that's right. The whole point of being an indie now is basically to grind it out and gain experience and then apply for auditions at a big corporation in hopes of being accepted. The indies that end up being decently popular are lucky and also talented/interesting

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>>33958050
If they are so great then why are they still indies?

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>>33959528
because corpos are trash

[Anonymous No.]

the lazy fucks made it as indies and got picked for their reps, they deserve to be lazy fucks now

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>>33958050
>anon wants his "hardworking" indie oshi to make it
>indie oshi makes it to big corpo
>she realizes that all her coworkers were the same as her before corpo
>she tries giga hard but results don't immediately correlates to her efforts
>indie oshi ends up playing the long game before burning out, the same as everyone else
>some other anon out there wants his "passionate" indie oshi to make it

Only a super select diligent few will try hard even after making it in and even after reality doesn't serve them the success they expect.

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>>33958050
Imagine needing vtubers to discover capitalism exists

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>>33959630
which is why you skip the gacha phase and just oshi one of the corpo tryhards.

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>>33958050
This is literally what Connor said and people here bitched about it like women on their periods for months, only to now realize that he was right.

[Anonymous No.]

You can't save indies, if they needed saving they would get real jobs or hook up with someone who has one.

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>>33960423
Connor forgot the part that experience is what they look for in their auditions. Even Sana, the ultimate tommy hort chuuba, was an accomplished artist before being hired. You get to coast once you join, but you don't get to "lie in your resume" to get in. Only people who did their reps even when nobody was watching make it in. It's a disingenuous argument.

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>>33960423
he was wrong, he told his wrong opinion to the biggest indie chuba in the western scene and she did not agree. Because he was fucking wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33960423
but that jap hating brit is into western whores, I'm talking about actually talented and wholesome JP chuubas who are kind, sing like goddesses, and stream a lot almost every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>33959528
Naivety. It's the same as being a YouTuber is a dream job for many kids these days. They don't understand that being a streamer/YouTuber is like a small business. Most of them are not ready to run a business.

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>>33960423
No, he implied that holo girls didn't earn or deserve their success. Even though it might be true it's toxic to Hololive.

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>>33958050
Imagine if Hololive listened to vtuber fans when hiring new girls.
Imagine how good HoloEN would have been.
They should do a voting system when doing new branches, just ask people to write what vtubers to check out.

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>>33958050
now realize this is the reality of everyday life but applied to anime girls on the internet

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>>33958050
>MUH INDIE JUST NEEDS EXPOSURE
Fuck off. If they were talented people would be watching them but the vast VAST majority of indie chuubas are trash. Low brow trash.

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>>33958050
get used to it OP it's the way of the world.

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>>33960654
About half of hololive had no experience or very limited experience before getting in. They just had cute voices that happened to match their character. Kobo didn't even own a PC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33961035
Don't worry, they obviously fired the retard omega1 behind Project Council and Project Hope.
HoloEN is being directed by JP people since at least February.
EN3 scouting will be handled by the same people that got Tempus.

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>>33961517
Owning a PC isn't a talent, it's just money. Akirose didn't either, but she's a certified belly dance instructor. This is experience, similar to the Sana example. It's not limited to vtubing experience What can your applying indie offer that the company can't already cover with several talents?

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>>33961517
>Kobo didn't even own a PC.
Yeah and this shit baffles me. How tf did Yagoo find her? Told his agent to sort the loudest females in Jarkata's internet cafe or what?

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>>33961517
>>33961883
Experience and PL numbers are not as much of a priority in the selection process.
They are looking for:
- People that comes with a sound artistic plan.
- Being able to offer something that holo didn't offer before.
- Having a personality that fits well with the holopro environment.
The 3rd point is key. They are filtering any potential schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33961118
>If they were talented people would be watching them
My boy, Vesper, was an indie and apparently he had been for years, did not know he existed until he joined Holostars.

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>>33959630
my corpo oshi has been a tryhard for 2 years now. Agree with the other anon, just skip the amateurs (indies) and just find a good pro in a company

[Anonymous No.]

>>33962164
dont want a Rushia 2.0

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>>33958050
Indies can make it big too if they just do what the corpos are doing which is forming a group and playing Minecraft together or something. The whole reason people watch Hololive or Nijisanji isn't because they're a big corpo but because of all the established lore and culture that largely comes from the collective efforts of its members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
>Anon discovers how showbiz works

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>>33963283
What you call "collective lore" and "culture" are the results of loads of work over the branding.
Indie chubas are far away from that, and will keep being away as long as they think that react content is valid chuba content.

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>>33960423
Only based take he has pretty much

[Anonymous No.]

and yet /vt/ keep complaining about holoEN girls instead of leaving them and supporting the real hardworking indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
Worse, these privileged whores still think that they're indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
You can still save them all.

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>>33961517
Outside of a few exceptions almost all of Hololive were extremely active for years on JP communities outside of niconico or were already professionals in some way, shape or form. HoloEN is the one that dropped the fucking ball when recruiting.

[Anonymous No.]

Small corpos are the big names of the future (a couple years from now). Emotionally invest now
There'll be a couple who make it out of big corpos after the collapse like Selen and Fauna, but they'll be the Polkas.
>t. john titor

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
im going all out on my indie 2view, i will single handedly save her and make her a 3view if i have to
i don't even know why i do it, there is nothing for me waiting at the end of it all
the thousands of dollars and hours i've put into this women... i just want to see her happy

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>>33960423
He did have this take. However he's also the epitome of a lazy fuck streamer that bitches 24/7 about the culture he leeches off of and has no self awareness

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
Start with /asp/ and /wvt/. Prevention is the key

[Anonymous No.]

>>33978507
Give up the name. I want to see if she's worth this devotion

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>>33958050
The fuck are you on about? An indie can make it on their own. They just have to stop pandering to one demographic and go for a balanced audience.

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>>33961592
Proofs?

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>>33961592
>by the same people that got Tempus
So it will have at least one retard who blew up by leeching off every popular twitchwhore. No thanks.

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>>33958050
HoloEN is the biggest proof of this. So many aren't even trying anymore and call in sick frequently to fuck their boyfriends.

[Anonymous No.]

I’m an indie vtuber and I don’t really get this line of thought at all. I’m working hard so that I can be one of the lazy fucks myself down the line. The lazy fucks worked pretty hard to get where they are.
The indies you watch also wouldn’t be in this in the first place if they didn’t truly enjoy what they do. Most of us have day jobs anyways; it’s not like our needs aren’t already being met. You should save this energy for actual injustices in the world or your own problems in my opinion.
If your indie talks about corpos as if they get money for nothing… lol.

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>>33958050

[Anonymous No.]

guys link me your best indie chuubers and i will watch and subscribe

[Anonymous No.]

>>33978817
being a hypocrite doesn't necessarily make one wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
yeah, Cover should revoke their policy about minimal wage, it's a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
They don't make it because they suck...
Corpo chubas had already big following

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>>33960654
The only corpo tubers coasting are some of the girls in holoen. They fucking hate their jobs and only show up for the requisite 3 hours a week tops while getting splurged on by the most deranged of oil barons.

[Anonymous No.]

Aren't most indies just doing it as a hobby? Why this assumption that they need to be saved or are only doing it for the resume? Man I hate this fucking board.

[Anonymous No.]

>Retards infest fandom and turn Big Corpo into wasteland by giving bad advice
>Indies thrive when the tired Hivemind migrates someplace else for the content they're looking for, turning the Indies into the Big Corpo
>Cycle repeats

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
Literally most of them have worked very hard to get where they are but keep coping

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>>33982901
No they didn't. They really didn't.
Starting out with 100k Subscribers because you did well on an Interview for a Big Corpo isn't working hard. Even Botan acknowledged that when she started out and felt that she had everything thrown at her with basically nothing to show for that could say "Hey, I earned this.".

Being up on a high pedestal should never be your excuse to become lazy. Most of these "I'm so successful so I can afford to be lazy now" content creators are in their Mid 20s to 30s and have never bent over to pick up a pen for someone else, they can't afford to be lazy. Vtubing shouldn't be welfare, even if some Holos think it is because of would-be-NFT-owners who invest their cash into 2D models.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
You forget group 3
>Got into a small no name corpo
>has the same grind as an indie
>still need go pay the corpo tax with no advantage to show for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>33983627
>Starting out with 100k Subscribers because you did well on an Interview for a Big Corpo isn't working hard.
They had to do a little bit more than just do well on the interview, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33983910
Suck the CEO's cock?

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>>33983910
>gets hired for being a high-level competitive fps player
>doesn't do the thing that set her apart from the rest
she's just another example who is treating the company as some retirement home where she can chill and produce low-effort content instead of improving on what got her there in the first place

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>>33960654
>Even Sana, the ultimate tommy hort chuuba, was an accomplished artist before being hired.
Which begs the question, what the fuck was Cover thinking, hiring someone who's only/main standout quality was that she was an ARTIST, and who had to my knowledge little to no prior streaming experience, for a STREAMING job?
Being a good artist doesn't make you a good streamer. It doesn't say shit about your ability to entertain an audience for hours, or your motivation to actually stick to the job, etc.

Did they just yolo it, thinking "hey we hired people from unrelated fields with no prior streaming experience before, and it worked out great, surely we can push our luck and roll the dice again and it won't be a dud! The last artist we hired as a streamer for the previous gen did well, and she even recommended the current one, so that's like double the guarantee of success, right?!?!?!"

Or did they even fall for the scam of "hurrdurr having an artist as a streaming talent in our group means she will produce lots of art for us for freeeee!!!", as was the going copexcuse that many Sanalites swallowed and regurgitated when having to deflect from the fact that their chinkdicksucking whore of an oshi was just an apparent lazy cunt and the deaddoghort excuse got too ridiculous "n-nuh uh, you see, she's not just lazy, she...uuh... is ackshually totally working on sooo much artwork for Hololive in the background that it just keeps her too busy for streaming, okay? Stop complaining, you entitled incel chud, when her 1000 page artbook will suuurely come out SOON(tm)(any day now...) you'll all be forced to KNEEL and APOLOGIZE!!!"
And in the end what did she actually produce for Hololive during her whole time there? One debut artwork and one anniversary tapestry? (I'm even being merciful here and don't count the low-effort "mascot" abominations). Wooow, great output, Cover really got much value here, it was really worth wasting a streaming talent spot on this for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
This is why I will always say Indies who made it are 100% more talented than corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33982001
if it was any other chuuba i would but because its her i cant

[Anonymous No.]

>>33959571
Indies arent better than corpos

[Anonymous No.]

>>33984489
It feels like the big corpos have their priorities completely wrong hiring based on irrelevant talents like drawing or singing instead of hiring people who are talented at streaming.

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>>33984489
>The last artist we hired as a streamer for the previous gen did well, and she even recommended the current one, so that's like double the guarantee of success, right?!
That's literally why, they really fucked up big time and they won't be doing a Gen3 any time soon because of it. JP hiring was way more strict in terms of talent, EN hiring simply looked for already popular people willing to be anime. It was bound to fuck up at some point, it's just that no one expected it to be that early. Especially because she actually had potential and did some good streams before deciding to throw in the towel and said "fuck it, I'll keep playing games and doing art for things". She was 5x more active on her normal account than on Holo, for things she could do with Holo but just chose not to, which was simply fucking absurd.

And I don't hate Sana, I never did, and I still don't, I'm just baffled by the complete waste of potential that could've been completely fucking avoided. At the very least she had Ina right there to look up to and collab with if necessary, and she still put in the absolute bare fucking minimum for most of the time she was active.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
Don't let your memes be dreams, go and save all of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
>Wants to save indie chuubas
>Doesn't mention any indie chuuba
Bitch where are the names?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33960423
He was right, yes, but he's a HUGE narcissistic hypocrite and one of the worst assholes I've ever seen, he thought he'd be welcomed like a god by hololive.
He tried to get collabs through nepotism with Mori and had a meltdown when he realized he couldn't.
He called out hololive fans directly in the worst way possible, telling them, and I quote, "the girls hate you and they laugh at you", only to then latch on to ironmouse, turning her content into shipfaggotry just so he can stroke his ego. So in the end the problem wasn't the message but the messenger, and the tone in which he delivered the message revealing the depth of his petty bitterness at a time when hololive was universally loved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33986585
>He called out hololive fans directly in the worst way possible, telling them, and I quote, "the girls hate you and they laugh at you"
damn, so another thing he was proven right about in retrospect. Welshman, I kneel...

[Anonymous No.]

>>33986653
Yeah until you realize "the girls" refers to Mori. If you think he was in close contact with everyone else in hololive I have a bridge to sell you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33986745
You don't need to be in close contact with the girls to find out that even more of the talents, not just Mori, actually hate their fans. Just watching their on-stream behavior tells you enough.

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>>33986828
I wouldn't bet on Gura, Koyori, Korone etc. to hate their fans. That's just bullshit.
Also, his comments can be applied to Vshojo too, reminder that Vshojo is npotism central and that Veibae despises vtuber fans openly but curiously you won't see connor calling them out because he got in through ironmouse. Demonstrating, again, his hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33986745
>Talk to males once
>Immediate backlash
Gee I wonder why vtubers hate their fans.
"But then why did they become a vtuber in the first place?" You may be right but nobody ever said they have to like you.

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>>33984489
Watch Coco's YAGOO interview. No need to speculate, they talk about this kind of stuff openly. It all goes back to "what can you offer that we can't already cover with multiple talents?" They have "streamers", they don't need more. They didn't have any artist of Sana's caliber. It was worth the risk, and I'm sure they made back what they spent on her in the graduation month alone, so it's not a particularly high risk.

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>>33986964
bro, for the offending HoloEN talents in question, their disdain for their fans was already apparent long before the males showed up (so, long before the convenient retroactive deflection of "n-nuh uh she only hated her fans recently, and they deserve it, for complaining about males!"), by the talents' general shitty attitude, being lazy, stuck-up, grumpy, having constant "ugh, I'd rather not be here" bitch energy, putting no effort into entertaining, just coasting on the brand, etc.

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>>33987142
>they don't need more
Of course they need more. There are still dead hours.

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>>33958050
Your indies would turn into lazy fucks too after being hired, don't you realize this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33985832
You can stream drawing and singing too. What does it even mean to be "talented at streaming"? One of their main types of content is zatsudan, where you literally sit in front of the PC and talk about whatever you want. Having stand up comedy experience would be worth a lot more than streaming experience. It's why there's the whole annoying joke that refuses to die about "le comedians not le idols".
If your main talent is that you can do several hours long streams of niche games that nobody else is streaming because the company can't even get permissions for, you're worthless.

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>>33987198
They may need more talents, but not necessarily "professional streamers", is my point. Anyone who joins will become a streamer. The Tempus blue boy was a pro FPS player, plays the cello, the trumpet and can sing, probably got in because of any of the these or all combined, and is doing 7am streams to fill a dead slot simply because he's not gonna want to compete in prime time. These things are much easier to fix and teach than teaching people how to have an actual talent/skill. Are you gonna tell me it's easier to teach the cello than it is to teach how to stream with live2D?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33987198
>dead hours.
expand the region then. holoFR, holoDE, holoBR, holoSP. So many option

[Anonymous No.]

>>33983343
They're suffering from terminal numberrot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33987324
*ES

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>>33960654
Eh, kinda bullshit. You can have a meme youtube channel with fucktons of views and minimal work on your part and they will absolutely consider you just due to numbers. They only genuinely care about numbers. A lot these hololiveEN girls have been doing this for a while now and they still stumble and fumble around with audio issues, game issues, no prep work, etc. I know twitch streamers with 10 or less viewers that have better audio quality and stream quality than many of the ENs right now. The "experience" part is bullshit so long as you have some numbers to show them. You don't even need to be a streamer really, just have numbers.

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>>33987193
Speaking of which, the funniest shit happened to me last night when a tourist tried to justify kronii's bitchy attitude with excerpts from her lore. Fluff. From her fucking lore.

Unbelievable. The mental gymnastics people do.

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>>33982934
shit like that is always funny to me because it implies people assume she just showed up one day and had her following in the next moment. then again this is a total newfag board.

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>>33987142
>They didn't have any artist of Sana's caliber.
And now they don't have one again, funny how that works out...
(also: Ina Ina Inaaa....)

Again, what did "having an artist of Sana's caliber" actually DO for Cover in the end, during her time she was there? Her actual Hololive-related art output was PATHETIC. One debut illustration and one anniversary illustration, that's her oh-so significant contribution for a whole year? Hell, you could have more output if you simply hired an external artist on a simple commission-basis, and that way you wouldn't have to waste a streaming spot on a streamer who doesn't stream for an artist who doesn't draw.

And they didn't even get this meager output for "free", of course Sana charged money behind the scenes for her work, as it was to be used in prodcuts sold commercially to the fans. Which also explains why she didn't draw more for Hololive during her time there, and was more productive on her roommate job drawing for chink gachashit. She probably demanded too high of a price for Cover willing to pay (which again begs the question, if that's how the business works anyway, why not just hire external artists on a case-by-case basis instead of putting them in a wasted streaming position), the Chinks paid her more, so she continued prioritizing them over Holo which she just treated as a disposable sidejob.

Good riddance then, bitch couldn't have gone out fast enough, and I hope things like "motivation" and "actually wants to make Hololive her number one priority" (along with "is actually an entertaining streamer") will be a learning experience and more relevant hiring criteria for Cover going forward after these recent disasters.

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>>33987406
I don't see how it's bullshit when they have hired multiple literal nobodies for holoJP and more recently starsEN. The orange boy was a literal 1 view. What got him in was his covers and his ability to speak two languages at a native level. Again, two things MUCH harder to teach and that would take a MUCH longer time than teaching how to stream. Just look at the progress of all the ENs that had "learning japanese" as one of their goals.
Maybe holoEN specifically has been numberfagging too much when hiring, but that's just one part of the company, and not even close to being a majority.

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>>33987571
Sure, anon, I don't disagree that they made a mistake with her, I'm arguing that it was worth the risk, and even made a profit. There was literally no downside to their method so far. It'll become an issue if they start having too many graduations for the same reason, but so far they've been doing great with their methods.

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>>33987322
What does shit like "playing the cello" have to do with actually being an entertaining streamer? Are cello-playing streams going to be a major content focus of his? No? Then it's worthless.

If I wanted to watch someone playing the cello (kek, you can't even really with vtubers anyway), I would just watch one of the thousands of actual professional cello players on youtube instead, I don't need some gay anime fag playing cello only half-decently.
If his only skill is playing the cello, or other instruments, and he's still just a boring unentertaining streamer otherwise, I won't watch him. If he's actually an entertaining streamer, I would watch, regardless of if he plays instruments or not.

Being actually entertaining and able to engage an audience for hours is the most important skill for a streamer, simply because that's what you're going to be doing for 90% of the time. And yes, most of that is natural talent, you either have it or you don't, and not something that can be taught to everyone. Also lol at the thought that Cover is actually trying to teach anyone in their company how to be an entertaining streamer - they have a few naturals who can simply do it, and a lot of deadweights who can't and are just coasting on the anime avatar and the brand buff (take them out of the corp and back into indie 2view hell and see how many have "actual talent" to make it back to the top themselves and how many are simply carried by the brand and the guaranteed fanbase of Holo).

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>>33987833
You're watching the wrong company, then.

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>>33987833
>If I wanted to watch someone playing the cello (kek, you can't even really with vtubers anyway),
its possible
hell seeing how they try to implement it and what comes from it would just add to the fun of watching someone like that
the rest if your argument is pretty retarded as well tho.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't watch 2views because I'm scared it might feel extremely awkward. I can picture the desperation of a girl playing for hours just to see barely anyone watching and a dead chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33978817
>lazy fuck streamer
the guy just did an 8 day cyclathon through hokkaido for stream content
at what point is a streamer considered not lazy??

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[Anonymous No.]

>>33988135
Pls understand, anon thinks his favorite corpo anime girls streaming only three times per week (or sometimes even less) is NOT "lazy", no, it's everyone else who is lazy!

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>>33958050
Make your own vtuber company and you'll be able to save them all

[Anonymous No.]

>>33990176
but then who will save me?

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>>33987253
>What does it even mean to be "talented at streaming"?
Streaming is it's own medium.
Comedy comes with prewritten bits. With streaming you have to stay versatile. You're always in reaction mode, so it can't be easily compared to other mediums. Improv would be the closest, though it obviously differs
To be good at streaming means keeping engagement levels high. This involves a couple things.
>variety
Doing a diversity of things to draw in more crowds who prefer different things
>innovation
Like all artists, innovating will generate renown.
Stuff like designing a VRworld full of inside jokes for your fans, or swapping avatars with a coworker to deliberately embarrass each other is inherently intriguing, and people will check it out.
>charisma
Speaking clearly, cultivating a moe persona, providing off-the-cuff remarks and jokes even when there's nothing going on helps develop a character that people can trust and relate to
>no yabs
Nothing that would draw your audience away from you, or filter new members too heavily
>regularity
Don't stream too long, and people will forget about you. Keep an inconsistent schedule, and people won't be able to plan their days to catch your streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33978507
>going turbo autismo gosling for your oshi
>don't drop a link
My guy ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>33962649
And potentially watch her collab with a twink? no thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>33988135
this is correct
t. Christ Broad

[Anonymous No.]

>>33958050
sounds like a skill issue

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>>33987322
I haven't watched the guy but all those listed are worthless if he isn't charismatic and a good talker or have a strong personality all those things you listed aren't worth shit unless he's a cutting edge talent in one of those fields.
Let's take the fps example, he might be good but why would I watch him just for this when there are other better players by skill alone? For many the answer miught be literally the Hololive/Holostars brand (Nijisanji in contrast isn't enough to push someone viewership that far up by default) and that's about it.

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>>33994624
Cover seems to have a distinctly different screening process than most corpos, hiring more based on more unique talents and factors and what they can bring to the table. The only gen where they all hired popular personalities was JP Gen 3. (Flare was not super popular numbers wise but had a LOT of connections.) Even the latest gens, HoloX and Tempus, had only one member that could be called popular and the rest were 2views and not even vtubers in some cases. Orange dude was even a 1 view.
Anykara actually also hires more obscure talents for their JP branch, but for NijiEN they hired established indie vtubers to populate their first few gens, only doing something different with iluna who aren't all established vtubers but did have the numbers.

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>>33985832
Streaming is what they do to get to the endgame
and that endgame isn't streaming.
Once their brand is as massive as Pekora's, Marine's or Aqua's... there's are no reasons to keep streaming as hard as they did.
They are too valuable to waster their voices reacting to a shitty game.

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>>33958050
If your favorite indie was to be saved by a corpo, there's no reason to assume she wouldn't just become another lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

pls someone can save her:
https://www.twitch.tv/titaniafairyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>33982660
- Omega Sana and Ina were FF14 acquaintances.
- After Pekora's stream, OA made his move and tried to push FF14 as holoEN's main game.
- All the FF14 streams were a fucking disaster. Irys never touched the game again. Ina announced she would never stream FF14 for a stupid reason.
- Irys new year outfit absolute shitshow was the event that burned all bridges with holoEN's direction.
- Calli laughing her ass loud at chat's implication that Omega had anything to do with her work. "Yeah, thanks for the tweets I guess lmao".
- Council is an absolute disaster.
- OmegaAlpha's "goodbye" tweets in January. Gets unpersoned with a grand total of 0 HololiveEN video productions.
- HoloJP takes over (probably A-chan herself). Council and Irys get a new roadmap around their brands. A-chan starts scouting internally for Nodoka.
- Sana didn't feel comfortable anymore, so decided to graduate in February. She would announce it after the 3rdFES. But then Rushia got terminated.
- Tempus RMs announced hiatus in March. Nodoka debuts in April.
- Massive increase of holoEN appearances in holoJP official channel video productions.
- A-chan produces a TEMPUS watchalong in holoEN's official channel. It was the first variety video upload on that channel ever.

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>>33998076
On twitch you need to be whorish and bait simps/coomers

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>>33963283
Indies literally cannot make it in the current streaming environment. 1% of twitch streamers have 99.9% of the audience. It's a fucking black hole.

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>>33987142
If they didn't want streamers then why is tempus a thing? They are 100% streamers to the core.

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>>33987571
Sana was too busy getting the gacha art bucks.

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>>33987833
>Reddit spacing
>No argument
Hmm....

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>>33998860
my 2view is on the eternal grind and slowly has gains, despite never having any viral meme moments.

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>>33958050
Post some good ones then

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>>33999831
Is this total viewcounts or something else

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>>33961592
Tempus is by far the worst EN generation. I have no hope for EN3 if that's the case.

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>>33998284
>Sana didn't feel comfortable anymore, so decided to graduate in February. She would announce it after the 3rdFES. But then Rushia got terminated.
Extreme doubt. There's no way Sana's contract would allow her to terminate it so soon after debut.
This whole post reeks of cope, with a pinch of needless Council+Hope hate and an ounce of Tempiss apologist.

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>>33998284
Sana made several strange comments in her back hurt stream and that video was later privated. The other talents acted like Sana was fired and kept saying how they had to rush projects for her graduation. The July 31st graduation date would fit with Cover not renewing her contract and they didn't allow any call-ins or video messages.

Sana is childhood friends with Ina and it has been clear for a long time that Ina has been trying to get her main outfit changed. Cover increased the sexualization of Ina's character this year in games/merch/streams and her coughing fits from the spring are the type that are caused by stress. After Cover announced that Sana's contract wouldn't be renewed I believe that Ina got so depressed that she was going to quit and Cover finally agreed to change her main outfit. It won't happen until the spring/summer of next year but this is why Ina has recently been more optimistic. It is also the reason that Kronii has been acting out since she also wants her main outfit changed and is trying to find some way to encourage Cover to agree to it.