/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

This is pretty much the only english speaking place online in which people say what they truly think about vtubers.
Everything you read on YT, community discords, Twitch or plebbit is just a big echo chamber of inconditional support for the vtuber in question.
Kinda crazy how most vtubers out there can't cope with the slightest bit of criticism without going full menhera.

[Anonymous No.]

>I hate Mori
>I hate Vshojo
>I hate Nijisanji
>I hate males
do i fit in now?

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>>33942305
I become tense everytime I see korone with a magnifying glass.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying this site isn't an echo chamber on its own
i shiggydiggy

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People hate on vtubers here and later on they're on their chats saying how much they love them

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>>33942305
>most vtubers out there can't cope with the slightest bit of criticism
I have noticed how most vtubers are women, yes

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>>33942712
It isn't though. Anybody can say whatever they want here and shit on whoever they want.
>>33942349
You zoomie might not remember this but for a long time /vt/ liked Mori and hated Kiara, not it's reverse. People just respond to the current developments instead of hiding their feelings.

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twitter exists retard

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>>33942305
Well yes, that's censorship for you

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>>33942349
I hate males so much i have no mirrors in my house and cover my monotor with a cloth when it's not to not see my face. Men are repulsive.

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>>33942305
>which people say what they truly think about vtubers.
No it isn't. This is the place where people make up negative things in the hopes of hurting some vtubers feeling. That's also why /here/-tubers get a lot more shit in comparison to regular ones.
The whole "honest criticism" thing is just a masturbatory cope.

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except this is not a place to discuss vtubers, this is a shitposting board

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>>33943033
>This is the place where people make up negative things
you are just a faggot who can't take the bant. for every rrat thread there are several honest complaint threads.

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>>33942305
This is the place where people wake up, open up their browser and spend over 10 hours making up various bait threads, multi thread posting and samefagging to get the dopamine rush of receiving 5+ replies. And dear Lord if it's "happening" at any moment. Better than Christmas.

And newfag, dont even get me started on the atleast 4 different discord groups made specifically to shitpost on /vt/

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>>33943098
this, the board is nothing but tourists that pretend to like vtubers and treat it as animegirl tinder. Literally base their opinions and discussions on caricatured profiles

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>>33942904
You're delusional if you don't think people exaggerate stuff or say things just for (You)s

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>>33942305
> criticism
You’re either a retard or a shitposter

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>>33942305
>This is pretty much the only english speaking place online in which people say what they truly think about vtubers
Yeah, then get b& for it if the faggot nu-jannies don't also anti that chuuba
This is the most sensitive board on the site, I have been on this site for 15+ years and I think I had maybe 1 ban across all boards during that time but I'm b& every week since I started posting on /vt/
You can't even say the "r" word or tell people to read the archive ffs, even leddit jannies aren't this thin skinned, the only thing that's comparable is facebook jannies who have perma'd me for "inciting violence" against Brian, the dog from Family Guy
If your anti thread isn't about Calliope Mori or Takanashi Kiara, it's a ban for (You) OP!
>inb4 bawwleeted

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>>33942305
5ch, Sukikirai, Matome, and some parts of Twitter exist.

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Mmm... 4chins is really just a different echo chamber. Bad-think gets punished while agreeing with the masses is rewarded. The fact that we don't have any ingrained ranking, profile, or approval systems (updoots, likes, retweets, etc.) Is what's throwing you. It makes it more difficult to find what the accepted group-think talking points are because you can't search posts by popularity, controversy, or by a particular brand or handle (Except perhaps scrolling the catalog). You have to spend more time here in order to fit in than you do compared to other social media sites, and the longer you're here the more likely you are to get unconsciously align yourself with group-think.

Also, 4channel is relentlessly negative about pretty much everything. While it's important to be critical and honest, a lot of anons use extreme negativity and sometimes downright evil in order to farm replies and outrage. The reason is because 1) admitting you enjoy something makes you vulnerable to criticism yourself and 2) saying that something sucks when other people like it makes you think you appear like an intelligent free-thinker. The literal definition of one of our most popular and long lasting meme phrases (based) means to express an unpopular or not widely held belief to the cheers and applause of everyone around you. 4channel is a paradoxical subculture of contrarianism and collectivism, and such a baffling animal as that should never be taken more seriously than any other biased circlejerk community.

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>>33943628
>If your anti thread isn't about Calliope Mori or Takanashi Kiara, it's a ban for (You) OP!
Meds.
Name a single chuuba that can't have an anti-thread.

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>>33942305
That's the only reason i'm still in this site, i'm sick of always reading the same "No problem, don't worry!" bullshit, even if a lot of posts are baits or plain stupid and being here actively diminishes my enjoyment of chuubas

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>>33943708
It's a well-known fact that one of our mods is a hardcore cuckbeat, sure you can say how awful of an human being Mori is but the post will get deleted eventually and you will get a vacation free of charge

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>>33942904
Kek shit on the wrong vtuber and janny will drop a hammer on you

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>>33942305
This is a schizo echochamber though
Which makes it even funnier when outsiders try to “raid”, we’re already retarded chief

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>>33943708
A kronii thread just got pruned you fucking retard

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>>33943926
>>33943793
*ting ting ting ting CRACK*
fuck...
ehem, I'd like to make an announcement:
JANNY'S OSHI FUCKING SUCKS
That will be all.
Thank you.

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>>33944033
Kys frog poster

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>>33943708
>looks at archive
>see a plethora of deleted sana and amelia threads
Hmm

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>>33943188
There is no valuable criticism in some retard going "your streams are shit, you hate your genmates, you only pretend to like the games you play, you hate vtubing, you are whore, kill yourself" every day for half a year because he is mad that you accidentally ignored his $2 superchat once.
Overly negative feedback is just as useless as overly positive feedback.

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>>33943004
Based

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>>33944233
you're both correct. catalog shit bait threads are worthless, but in the generals you have the only actual discussion you can have about vtubers, negative or positive. Even if you have nothing but praise for your chuuba, unless you're talking about the latest thing that happened, there will be nobody to talk about. But you can enter /MANS/ and start talking about Magni's loopstation stream from a week ago and people will talk to you about it, even though it's "old" and also members only. Where else can you possibly talk about it? Discord I guess, but I don't use it.

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>>33942305
Yes you're so, so special. Nothing here has ever before been thought or spoken.

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>>33942305
Pretty much, and that's valid for every topic too. No matter how much worse 4chan gets every year, this is the only place on the internet where you can be free (to a larger extent).

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>>33943706
based

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>>33945021
>generals you have the only actual discussion you can have about vtubers, negative or positive
What a load of horseshit, the generals are fucking hugboxes and the second you say anything negative 5 different faggots will start crying for janny.
At least in catalog threads you can say shit without the faggots who hide in generals trying to turn it into reddit

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>>33942305
I love ayame!

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>>33945329
Haven't been my experience, I had mostly criticism for my oshi lately, unfortunately, and even the people who disagree do so mostly because she's been busy and they're more patient than me, not because they're actually happy.

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>>33942305
Do you not realize that a huge amount of what's posted here is lies?

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self awareness is understanding that hugboxing in the opposite direction is just as much of an echo chamber than the one you criticize

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For days now following the latest drama, I've been scrolling and scrolling... looking for that spicy harassment management and who the fuck else keeps talking about.
The only things I found were some fags sadposting and the occasional "www condom money for tempus" supa. Is that really it? Is that harassment? Where are the threats? The bot attacks in chat? If that's really everything and it makes them seethe that much, I'm losing every last ounce of respect I have.

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>>33942305
korone sucks

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>>33942904
Is Kiara not a blmsjw anymore? I stopped keeping tabs on her pretty early

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>>33942917
You're only allowed to hate on loli tubers on Twitter

>>33943706
Not reading all that but good for you or sorry to hear that

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>>33942305
Most split generals here are also echo chambers. Pic somewhat related.

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>>33944233
It gets to that point because that dude was shit on and insulted every single time he's tried to offer constructive criticism. If you're /here/ then you're well past fed up at this point and going to the extreme. It's the thing that happens when you treat everyone like a schizo, even well adjusted people wind up going schizo... because people like you make them think they're crazy, they're wrong. They're unwell for having, sometimes, perfectly valid complaints that go against the echo chamber.

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>>33942349
Your best chance to fit in is to kill yourself and start over you trashy faggot

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I'm /here/ because I can hornypost with relatively lax limits, fuck whatever you faggots think

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>>33942305
Even then the only reason this place still exists outside of California's big tech clique is because this is basically a honeypot for feds. And make no mistake, if you post something that goes way out of the line 4chan will give them your IP. You aren't really "Anonymous" when you post here.
Also if you ever get raided over a joke or something and they check your PC and see loli doujins on your PC they count that as child porn and will get you processed.

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>>33943706
Post your poopwound already, faggot

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>>33947009
Feds have no power in my thirdie shithole

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>>33946525
Can confirm, /ggg/ echoes the Uooohs of anons as far as the eye can hear

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>>33947009
>loli doujins on your PC they count that as child porn and will get you processed.
Since when

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>>33946525
I'd also argue the catalog is one large echo chamber. Really, I have to wonder how old someone who sees 4chan in 2022 as the last bastion of free speech is, or at least how long they've actually been using the internet.

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>>33946314
She's abandoned most of that, she used to hate guns as well and now she's been playing a lot of shooting games, I recommend giving her another try

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>>33942305
There was another place to talk freely about vtubers but a tranny nuked it

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>>33942712
Individual generals are echo chambers, but /vt/ as a whore is pretty nuanced
Compare it to reddit, it's night and day

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>>33948023
let's be real, you can say a lot of things on reddit and the worse you get are some arrows pointing down, but it hurts the feefees of schizos and they run back to the "free speech" sites that are just different echo chambers

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>>33947897
Its not a bastion of free speech but it's freer than the alternatives. Especially since troons took down the farms

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>>33948178
You get banned on reddit the moment you get real

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>>33943706
You may have some valid points, but do you see any better alternative?

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>>33948223
anon, saying slurs isn't "getting real"

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>>33948267
I don't need one for vtubers, but man I wish there was an alternative for games...

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>>33948290
didn't they ban the guy who worked on Gura's animation posting a wallpaper of it or whatever? the company moderated reddit banning people for doing what their talents do is kind of against the idea that all you get is dislikes.

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>>33942349
I think mori is funny in a sad kinda way.
I actually absolutely love the holostars arupapa and vesper are 2 of my favorite vtubers who I watch the most.
Nijisanji has a few good chubbas like pomu and belmond tho their en males are all giant disappointments to me.
I hate unicorns and Yurifags and yaoifags with all my being I'm here for entertainment and funny times plus shitposting which is why I consider pekora to be the pinnacle of vtubing
I do still hate Vshojo pinkcat is unfunny and annoying without any spine or soul and while I don't dislike ironmouse I think she's boring.
But really the best part about this place us shitposting about stuff far too offensive to joke about anywhere else and pissing people off

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>>33946631
How the fuck are you supposed to react to this level of delusion?

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>>33943706
4chan is basically the "suggestion box" problem. Happy people who want to say positive things, people that are fairly neutral, and even people with only minor grievances that they can overlook will not go to an anonymous forum. They'll just post on twitter or reddit or youtube or whatever.

A disproportionate number of people that come here do so because whatever they're posting is unpopular enough to draw the ire of others, so they have to hide behind anonymity. Because there are so many that do so, a culture forms around being negative.

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>>33948178
>say a lot of things
Yes, you can indeed say things, but you can't discuss anything even slightly controversial. The voting system suppressed the discussion. 4chan only obfuscates the discussion, but if you filter out the noise you can find interesting takes that can broaden your horizons.

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>>33948178
If you like reddit so much go back faggot, quit trying to argue why everywhere else should be like your gay shithole

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>>33948399
No they didn't, retard.

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>>33948055
>but /vt/ as a whore
A pretty cheap one at that with all the shilling faggots and discord trannies who come here to astroturf

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>>33948290
Says you nigger

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>>33948399
they've banned lots of people who worked on stuff for posting about it on the reddit
Pretty sure even kanauru was banned for a but, or at least ended up having posts removed

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>>33948435
Add beggars to your hate list as well

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>>33948714
>Happy people who want to say positive things, people that are fairly neutral, and even people with only minor grievances that they can overlook will not go to an anonymous forum.
Ironically, I do. That's also why I make myself take breaks from here for weeks at a time. I love the format and when discussion is good here, it's really good, but the majority of people here just want to scream into the void and at each other about anything and everything.

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>>33948267
Not really. I think it's less an issue with social media and more with the human psyche. Our brains are just wired to respond to certain stimuli and conditions, and our social development isn't all that much more advanced than other great apes.

The issue isn't black and white, though. As other anons have stated ITT even we are not completely toxic 100% of the time. There are genuinely positive threads and posters all the time. It's just something to keep in mind when engaging in discourse on this and other sites like it so you don't get pulled into a perpetually negative (or positive) attitude that limits your critical thinking.

Just my two-cents, though.

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>>33948714
>hide behind anonymity
I like how you dishonestly frame it in a way that makes it seem like only maladjusted people would post here, when even mild criticism on twitter or reddit will get you a dogpile by simpering faggots who only allow fake positivity and company approved discussion. Some people voice disapproval of en’s current direction and you have chuubas and even the fucking company claiming “harassment” and death threats and other gay shit. They get labelled as “antis” or “unicorns” and shouted down. This place isn’t free but at least it isn’t as fucking pozzed as other places yet

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>>33948290
I hit banned for saying byuu didn't kill himself

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>>33942305
This place is also an echo chamber, let’s not kid ourselves here. Especially when everyone know this place is a containment.

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>>33949688
>>33949244
It doesn't have to be EVERYONE that does it Perhaps it's better to say people with negative comments lose their access to the other platforms, or get discouraged by negative feedback that gets tied to their identity, so they are more likely to end up on anonymous forums more often.
There are positive people here too. A lot of people show up here not because they're negative but because they want to be everywhere there's discussion surrounding their oshi. Or they want to hornypost or find other hornyposters in a less-moderated format. And all respect to them.

But there's enough of the category of "I don't what what I'm about to say to be tied to my identity" that it influences it. It makes trolling a cat and mouse game of ever-expanding negativity to try to trigger more and more jaded people.

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>>33942305
I feel like that might've been true at the start but these days this place has been completely ruined. it's impossible to discuss anything

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>>33950321
Yet you gloss over the point that other places actively discourage holding any opinion that isn’t praise or positive reinforcement. To also color this place as ‘wholy negative’ is also completely inaccurate, just browse the generals and see, almost all the generals, are on average, overwhelmingly positive. More often than not, you will find more negative opinions in random catalog threads

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>>33950321
>>33948714
>>33943706
All of these are correct. 4chan may be somewhat more "honest" than a youtube comment section of yes-men but its so full of bad actors that it is functionally useless. Some measures could be put into place to alleviate this issue but it would require more moderation, IDs, etc and it would only moderately help

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>>33948988
At least deleted the thread or however that works. Unless you're saying the screencap was fake, in which case then my bad.

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>>33943706
This might be the sanest reply in /vt/s history

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>>33951134
>this place is too negative we should be able to see your personal info so we can name and shame you for having the wrong opinions and ban you if you complain about it
Fuck you and all of those faggot posts you agreed with. Unironically go back or kys

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>>33951134
Literally kys Twitter Troon

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>>33951812
>>33951854
the sadistic anti fears the thread id and rangeban

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>>33951134
Commit rope to neck

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>>33951888
>anti for disagreeing with your hugbox fantasy
This is the gay shit im talking about, this thread has 3-4 faggots jerking each other off about how enlightened they are, all while they cry that /vt/ of all places isn’t enough like reddit or twitter. All the while this board for fucking weeks has had faggots from reddits, twitter, and the various shitty discords raiding it. Fucking christ get over yourselves already.

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>>33951888
>Twitter Troon wants to expand cancel culture

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>>33952213
You are being dishonest about the problems on this board because no doubt you are part of the problem.

>>33952258
I'm probably more right wing than you im an unironic hitler worshipper. This has nothing to do with politics. Its just people on this site who make malicious bait over and over lowering the quality of threads.

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>>33942305
>Everything you read on YT, community discords, Twitch or plebbit is just a big echo chamber of inconditional support for the vtuber in question.
it's toxic positivity. If I was a chuuba I'd hate it since it drowns out any genuine complaints/criticism/advice. not that this place is any better, it's just schizo rrats and performative negativity. just talk about chuubas in your own head

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>>33949269
Good points. Blaming the platform is indeed pointless. It's more about finding the best option for the purpose you are looking for. Just finding the right option may involve some luck and a lot of wasted time. I have a feeling that critical thinking is losing its prestige. I remember some forums from the early 2000s where the argumentation used to be taken more seriously and generally the discussions felt slower. Some of them lasted days or weeks. All the relevant platforms I know today are far more ephemeral. That limits the motivation to strive for mutual understanding.

>As other anons have stated ITT even we are not completely toxic 100% of the time.
I think this place may look "completely toxic" only to those who merely scratched the surface. On the contrary, this is the only platform where I found certain opinions about vtubers that no one would bother writing on r*ddit, and even if someone did bother they would be buried too deep. Besides that, I don't really know any other relevant platforms.

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>>33949133
Oh yeah, my favorite vesper streams are the ones where he's playing cool technical single player games, I find it rather annoying alot of his time is being sucked away by the constant demand for nonstop collabs with holo council

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>>33948182
nigga the meidos here are also troons
troons are like eunuchs in ancient china, they control everything from the shadows

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>>33952540
>You are being dishonest about the problems on this board
Its funny that you say that all the while underplaying the glaring issues of other platforms, where in some instances even saying the most inane shit will flat out get you fucking permabanned, then turn around and opine how horrible and unusable this place is and how the only way to fix it is to literally turn it into a carbon copy of reddit. You come off as a dishonest tourist faggot. If its so awful, if its so unusable, you don’t have to use it, nobody is forcing you.
>there is no positivity, its too negative
Plenty of posts have already fucking told you otherwise but you keep ignoring them in favor of trying to suggest some bullshit overhaul to site moderation and id posts.

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>>33943004
based egghon

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>>33943665
>english speaking place
>5ch sukikirai matome

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>>33951795
I posted more or less exactly what that guy had to say the other day and got called a tourist and a redditor by a bunch of teenagers. Sad!

[Anonymous No.]

id say 80% horseshit 20% truth. i love my oshi to death but id never shittalk him in his chat or Twitter or anywhere out in the open, just on here.

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>>33954657
I get the sentiment, but I think 4chan kinda counts as out in the open as well. I find it better to just not talk shit for no reason, unless of course you mean criticism when you say that

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>>33954657
>male oshi
Gay
Homosexual even

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why is this board so thin skinned? half of these so called problems you all bitch about would go away if you fags learned how to ignore posts you don't like instead of white knighting for the person you watch. how does criticism against someone else affect you? get a grip

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>>33954842
But then it, wouldn't be fun, would it be?

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>>33954842
We're on the newest board on 4chan right now. The people here are all also very new to this sort of thing. Reading this board is kinda like looking into a Petri dish that grows posters.

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>>33943706
>actually 4chan bad
Great wisdom, chief.
>4channel is relentlessly negative about pretty much everything
That's a consequence of the forced positivity outside of this website. Back in the day when 4chan was brand new it wasn't really any different from other online communities save for the format, the general mood was what kids today would call "cringe" because posters were so naively enthusiastic about things. You're trying to spin this as 4chan's framework inherently promoting negativity or comformity but the transformation was a slow process that was a response to the shift in the cultural zeitgeist. And 4chan still isn't an echochamber for misogynistic NEETs or whatever strawman you might imagine as the sole representative of the site's userbase.

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>>33942305
>This is pretty much the only english speaking place online in which people say what they truly think about vtubers.
>Everything you read on YT, community discords, Twitch or plebbit is just a big echo chamber of inconditional support for the vtuber in question.
>Kinda crazy how most vtubers out there can't cope with the slightest bit of criticism without going full menhera.

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>>33942305
>This is pretty much the only english speaking place online in which people say what they truly think about vtubers.
lol
lmao
you fucking retard. a bunch of the dumb shit you see on here are fabrications made to bait people

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>>33957380
>And 4chan still isn't an echochamber for misogynistic NEETs
I mean...

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>>33957997
Nope. Stop conflating 2-3 boards with the entire website. There are multiple boards with a significant female (actual female) demographic.

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>>33958092
Totally, but I think even saying just two to three boards have that demographic is a little bit of a conservative assessment

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>>33958405
You can move the goalposts all you want but 4chan is not a hivemind, even individual boards are not hiveminds. If you feel persecuted for having an opinion it's because you're a neurotic dumbass, disagreements on an anonymous board have no consequences and it's on you to not second guess yourself just because someone applied the slightest bit of pressure in an online argument.

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>>33957380
>You're trying to spin this as 4chan's framework inherently promoting negativity or comformity
I don't believe I've done that. >>33949269 is also me, and I explain why I don't think the platform is totally to blame.

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>>33958993
>If you feel persecuted for having an opinion it's because you're a neurotic dumbass,
I don't buddy, I'm just saying I happen to run into the sad, misogynistic NEET types on most of the boards I read here.

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>>33943706
>Bad-think gets punished while agreeing with the masses is rewarded
Punished how? "KILL YOURSELF" is not a punishment. Rewarded how? "BASED" is not a reward. Both bad think and good think can yield (You)s.

[Anonymous No.]

Smells like fish in here.
No one cares about your feelings.
I will post whatever I feel like.
You can respond in any way you wish.
Cry about it.
I love and hate vtubers.

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>>33959707
They're social rewards and punishments. When people say nice things to you, you feel good. When people say mean things to you, you feel bad. Now imagine this effect on a macro scale. There are hundreds of people joining in on one side or the other. The psychological effects of "someone agrees with me" vs "a hundred people agree with me" has a pretty wide disparity between them.

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>>33959565
Fair enough, but I see it precisely as an issue stemming from rapid technological change because negativity is mentally exhausting and can't be sustained without external reinforcement. If we were psychologically compelled to be negative (which isn't the same as being cautious or sensitive to disappointment) we would've gone extinct by now and conditions like depression couldn't be distinguished from "normal" behavior.

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>>33960568
Kys, now start feeling bad

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>>33960568
Long winded way of saying "I'm a newfag".
Now I shall go on the catalog and gather some more "punishments".

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>>33942305
I agree but the problem is that there's too much shit posting, so much so that it outnumbers any actual criticism that a vtuber could read here.
So it's not really worth it unless you are smart enough to separate both types of posting.

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>>33942305
Which discord did you get banned from by saying a nono word OP?

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>>33960051
Based, I will now penetrate every anon ITT

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>>33942305
>Literally everybody is a Hololive tribalfag
>Le not an echo chamber meme
Okay bro

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>>33961136
You can go and make a thread saying "hololive fucking sucks", nothing is stopping you and you won't get banned.

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>>33960749
I think the assessment that technological advancement is far outpacing social and personal advancement is very accurate. I don't know if humans biologically are any more or less predisposed to depression/anxiety/etc. (I literally just do not know that information) but I think humans have trouble with impulse control. Compared to non-sapient animals we're excellent at it, but we still stuggle against our baser instincts. Obesity is such a problem right now because we live our lives surrounded by an unlimited amount of food and we aren't evolved enough as a species to always resist that temptation.

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>>33957380
That's part of the problem, I couldn't actually tell you what the userbase of this site is like. I can almost never read a post on here and go "wow, this person genuinely believes this, let me have a discussion with them." The one thing I could say people here have in common is that they are contrarians.

People complaining about the "forced positivity" of other sites is a fucking joke too. The real issue is people don't want to (or can't) express themselves in a way that doesn't make them come off as huge assholes. I've seen you guys post the most innocuous stuff and then get mad the person didn't just directly call the vtuber a faggot and tell them to kill themselves. If you want to come here and stick with the direct route, fine, but you can't be mad the rest of the world doesn't want to participate in shitflinging.

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>>33961356
>Obesity is such a problem right now
I know we got exhibit fucking one right here: mori calliope, she has really packed on the pounds recently. Maybe she should try collabing with a treadmill amirite?

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>>33961136
Hmm? You don’t pay much attention, do you? The two sacred parts of Holo on /vt/ are Mori and sometimes Ame, but that’s just the single meido acting up.

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>>33961591
Here is a perfect example of a typical trash post on this site. Its deliberately cunty, and designed solely to trigger (you)s. Perhaps its worst crime is how lazy it is. This retard probably has 10 threads open making bait shitposts and then comes here and says that anyone trying to stop his work is a cancel culture troon.

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>>33961787
nigga get some thicker skin you can't even take entry level bant

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>>33961787
Yea sorry faggot i wanted to break up the monotony of you retards huffing each others farts and waxing intellectual on the fucking containment board for virtual youtubers. Get over yourselves you pretentious midwits

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>>33942349
Most people don't even think about Nijisanji, but their fans are fucking obsessed with Hololive and it's annoying as hell.

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>>33961787
I think the issue here is that you’re attempting to wrangle anons to speak as you want them to. If you build a tolerance and accrue a greater tenure on the Finnish benis inspection website, you recognize certain immutable elements that will always be constant. In other words, you stop being an actual faggot and instead become a fag of various interests.

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>>33943706
>>33949269
You have some worthwhile thoughts here buried in the retarded shit framework of your argumentation, but your primary mistake is trying to paint the chans as a monolithic entity. We have both pol and lgbt here, and they are constantly at war with one another. Even within THIS board...you have a lot of people who are diametrically opposed to one another, as to why they watch what they do as a pastime.
Besides which, you cannot post "dox" here, so this is hardly the "most free" place on the internet to discuss chuubas.

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>>33961473
>I can almost never read a post on here and go "wow, this person genuinely believes this, let me have a discussion with them."
You can never know what anyone really thinks, online or offline. This kind of selective paranoia doesn't make any sense to me.

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>>33962245
I don’t really understand the need to be a doxxnigger. It just seems needlessly invasive for the medium, and I view the practitioners as largely petty bitches. My personal views aside, the base rules of /vt/ do at least generally necessitate getting creative about some posts, such as doxxbeats shoopin Mori over certain tweets.

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>>33954842
Because this board is full of third worlders who never used this site before vtubers.
t. indonesian fb user

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>>33948182
It's freer in the sense that power hungry mods are rare, but this site as a whole suffers from mob rule.

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>>33945329
This.

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>>33962245
I don't think I subscribe to the "4chan is one person" meme. I'm just speaking broadly about different social platforms for the sake of clarity and to make it easier to explain my point. I don't think anyone would argue against the statement that Reddit, for example, is a predominantly liberal environment despite there being tons of right-wing and conservative subreddits.

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>>33951134
Oi, you got a loicense for that cunnypost? You know the drill mate, no cunnyposting or uohhhin' before 10pm, unless you got the loicense! This time i't'l be a slap on ye riss, just a fou'ee free day ban, but next toime oi'll haffa report your full name, address, and wor'place to the local authori'ies and review all your posts.

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>>33954842
>t. guy who is butthurt that people aren't buying into his last honest place on the internet spiel

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4chan is for English speakers actually the last honest place on the internet. The guys arguing for based vs kys responses being rewards/punishments is either a woman, child, or emotionally unstable. Literally no one cares what other people think here, everyone has their own opinions, and if you get butthurt by kys you need to go back.
Someone made a good point that theres outside influence specifically directed towards derailing legitimate discussion, which is a real problem if you're an IQlet who can't spot the difference between the raiders and the legitimate faggots who waste their lives here. For you IQlets here's a quick tip: lurk moar nigger it's not that hard to spot the outsiders and shills
The only actual problem with free speech is the jannies who occasionally powertrip, but it's really not comparable to other sites inb4 cope inb4 band fuck you jannies

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>>33964915
based

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>>33957997
I'm not a neet but women don't deserve rights

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>>33942305
Twitter can be harsh if you're a chuuba and get morbidly curious and start reading all your replies. But this place is straight up harmful for a vtuber to browse because it can be pretty vicious hate. Your mental darkness will go up

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>>33942305
I've seen less shilling and senseless shilling on some discords

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>>33973305
Or they'll just get thicker skin which will help them in their career and life going forward.

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I got banned for talking about the real person of vtuber, I didn't even post pics or anything. 4chin WtF

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Chammers, show us the screen.

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>>33942305
It's because any criticism or honest opinions of the contrary are seen as a negative thing and you will be painted an asshole and schizo for it. I'm willing to wager that some of those posts supporting a chuuba are half-assed though, especially on plebbit where people just want to farm their karma.

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>>33942349
No, tell us who you like

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>>33942917
We all know that