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Censored because of 9/11 Edition

Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo, and any Vtubers frequently associated with them.

Zen's live with a legendary amount of stalling in preparation for that Gundam game. Nyan is live and finishing MGS2, at the final boss when this is being typed. So she'll definitely finish that today, and then wen can move into the next game which will undoubtedly completely fuck her up. But until then make sure to keep things comfy and civil by ignoring and especially reporting bait, and being excellent to each other.

VShojo is:
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/veibae
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

VShojoJP is:
Kson
https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
https://www.youtube.com/c/ksonONAIR
Nazuna
https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna

Related:
総長 + 会長 for dedicated Kson discussion
/るみな/ for dedicated Nazuna discussion
>>>/vt//lig/ for more focused + and ++ discussion

Previous Thread: >>33720095

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>> No.33733414

MGS2 is just a huge /pol/ post with less porn.

>> No.33733448

>>33733405
kek

>> No.33733564

>>33733414
this is /leftypol/ as fuck

>> No.33733609

>>33733414
Kinda, but it is fucking impressive how predictive Kojima was about the internet. This game came out 20 years ago, and yet here we are in 2022 doing exactly what Kojima said. This entire diatribe by the GW system is exactly what the world is experiencing now. Other than the "we get to decide" bullshit, the rest is 100% true.

>> No.33733639

What kind of drugs was this fucker on when he made this?

>> No.33733675

>>33733639
Overdosed on redpills

>> No.33733690

>>33733639
creatividad

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Bravo Kojima

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word cloud blame the two arguing retards

>> No.33733838

>>33733639
Like any good science fiction author, he posited the possibilities to the worst possible conclusion and, inevitably, was proven right. Now, the question is whether it was a chicken or egg scenario. Was Kojima right, or did people who played this game or are aware of it, make it happen?

The Patriots are real!

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>>33733414
MGS2 was really just missing a heavy amount of black cuckold porn and it would have been the greatest game ever made
>Install Fightcade But also buy a MISTer Nyan and play the MSX games because they rule

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvyKdqcVo4
Mel must've been watching Nyan play MGS to think up a skit like this. It's pretty cute either way. Also, I kek'd at this line.

>> No.33734029

>>33733609
web2 and web3, more precisely

>> No.33734127

>>33733799
What's the final solution to the vshojo question?

>> No.33734173

Even Rose's real personality is like Vkey by being a bitch

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.
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>Archive Links:

- Complete Nyanners (Post Vtuber Debut) Vod Archive (Starting on 2020-07-17 running until 2022-12-31): https://pastebin.com/Eg1Yy3TZ

- Complete Hime Hajime Vod Archive (Starting on 2021-01-31 running until 2022-08-30): https://pastebin.com/28iC7P72

- Ironmouse/Bubivt Vod Archives and some other vods: https://pastebin.com/STax22rK
---------------------------------
>Some other stuff that might be of use:

- Vod Archiving guide for Twitch/Youtube Live streams that covers the basics: https://pastebin.com/1i8hF902

- Links for the 4chan (VT/Archiving) IRC channels, Koikatsu Party Character cards from /Vsj+/ and /lig/ and the website to make wordclouds: https://pastebin.com/FiAsYK7e

>> No.33734446

I don't think Kojima gets enough credit for how coherently this wacky story is told

>> No.33734509

Nyan...

>> No.33734533

Someone. Please tell Nyan to learn what the word "greed" means.

>> No.33734551

how

>> No.33734666

>>33734029
Even this thread is exactly what Kojima was warning about. When we started it, we didn't want it to become what it has, but the internet won out and now it's just another secluded community of circle jerkers. Sad really.

>> No.33734783

>>33734446
Remember a lot of people hated MGS2 which ruined a lot of people's opinions of his story. Doesn't help that the stuff with Liquid and Ocelot got fucking weirdass in MGS4 and still makes no sense to this day.

>> No.33734882

why are women so bad at video games?

>> No.33735163

SHE DID IT.

>> No.33735197

>>33733860
The MSX games are playable from the menu of MGS3 Subsistence which is on the HD Collection, so she already has them

>> No.33735310

>>33734882
Programmed into their brains
A few get lucky though like Vei

>> No.33735493

>>33735310
are vei, zen and froot the only vshojos members that are good at games?

>> No.33735545

My God, those retards are still arguing

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>>33735197
True, but, she and (You) should buy a MISTer anyways. It's the best retro gaming value out there right now.

>> No.33735601

>>33734666
You make it seem like it was some prophetic shit when it is just recognizing humans are tribal by nature. For all our evolution we grew up in small local communities isolated by distance. In our personal relationships we form cliques because there is just not way to be able to connect with everyone. People pretend we've "progressed" past tribalism given our unprecedented access to information and other communities but you can't undue millennium of evolution in a mere century.

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>>33735493
>zen
>good at games

>> No.33735719

>>33734783
Yeah MGS4 kind of sucks
In this game, the plot works in service of the themes
In MGS4, so much of the plot works in service of tying up plot threads from the previous 3 games, so it's seriously hamstrung in what it can bring to the table

>> No.33735723

Well there goes the introspective moment

>> No.33735805

>>33735705
isn't she at least good at apex?

>> No.33735934

>>33735719
It was basically a very expensive to produce tech demo/playable movie

>> No.33736332

>>33735719
True, but for a lot of those reasons and for what >>33735934 said I absolutely loved MGS4. By that point I was so engrossed in the story that the gameplay didn't matter anymore.

>> No.33736426

bro

>> No.33736469

>>33735934
Your mom is an expensive tech demo.

>> No.33736522

sis

>> No.33736547

nyan really completed two entire video games these past few weeks

>> No.33736566

>>33733913
>Came out the same day as Nyan beating MGS2
The Patriots did this.

>> No.33736584

>>33735719
MGS4 has its own themes too, which it builds in as much of a concentrated effort as the previous games.

It IS very concerned with wrapping the narrative up and putting an end to everything.
But that in and of itself is in service of its core themes.
However it does mean a lot of players get too caught up in detangling the web of plotlines and twists that they miss what MGS4 is really about. It's something a lot of people probably need to play twice to fully get, but a lot of people don't give it that grace.

MGS4 is a masterpiece. Someday people will understand, just like MGS2.

>> No.33736588

I don't know how this love story that's mired in so much of the plot's wackiness manages to be as sincere as it is

>> No.33736594

>got a gifted sub
BRAVO KOJIMBO

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>>33736469
I should have skimmed more money off the subcontracting

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>can’t buy bits
Zen why?

>> No.33736705 [DELETED] 

>>33736566
Is Gunrun part of the patriots?

>> No.33736834

>>33736705
Metal Gear Solid 4: Gunrun of the Patriots

>> No.33736937

>>33736705
he is above the patriots, unlike ocelot

>> No.33737038

When is the Gundam event?

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>>33736705
A-Anon?

>> No.33737080

>>33736547
genuinely good game -> genuine enjoyment -> great stream
>inb4 she completes the 3rd game before the week ends

>> No.33737109

>>33736705
uh...bros....why was this deleted??

>> No.33737140

>>33736705
Gunrun, Mouse, and Melody are part of the Patriots

>> No.33737147

>mgs3 is the best one
I'm so tired of this meme.

>> No.33737185

>>33736937
FUCK
not* unlike

also, lol anon knew too much

>> No.33737216

>>33736705
Anon? Anon! ANOOOOOOOOON!!!

>> No.33737232

>>33737038
67 hours 45 minutes.

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>>33736705
uh....

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Mouse WILL get that duet

>> No.33737248

>>33736705
GW did this.

>> No.33737286

I miss veibaeyah

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>> No.33737320

nyan is going to have the biggest fucking laugh fit when ocelot gets introduced in 3 and starts meowing

>> No.33737383

Please God give me a Nyan x Pomu Metal Gear collab when she finishes the games

>> No.33737417

based children hater kojima

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>>33737303

>> No.33737456

>>33737303
El Jefe is /here/

>> No.33737458

>>33737383
Pomu is literally dying to talk to someone about Metal Gear, I would soon happen.

>> No.33737515

>>33737383
Nyan x pomu Metal Gear Survive collab!

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>>33737383
Yes. Definitely. In that multiplayer MGS game everyone loves.

>> No.33737696

>>33737417
>children hater kojima
Hater? He has an obsession with children. Children play part in some form in every one of his games

>> No.33737794

honestly when nyan started the whole clone skit thing I was sure she had played mgs at some point

>> No.33737813

>>33737696
And there's at least two main villains that raised child soldiers

>> No.33737870

>>33737813
And Big Boss/Venom Snake, he was only stopped by Miller.

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>>33737870

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>>33737937

>> No.33738081

Is Nyanners going to go nuts over the Boss?

>> No.33738122

>>33738026
> "dad was such a drag"

>> No.33738189

God I wish Zen would just completely fucking dominate me. I just want her to strap me down on a chair and tease me with her huge half Latina ass in my face, then/or sit on my face, putting a leash on me and taking me for a walk outside, tying me up again and forcefully cumming inside her multiple times, I'd do it all for Zen and Zen only. I FUCKING LOVE ZEN! https://voca.ro/1atwD2MyoLTE
https://voca.ro/12RXLmsJWUWc

>> No.33738368

>>33737383
would be nice to see collabs/zatsu with all the other vtubers that have played mgs recently
so far i know pomu, nyan, nina saotome, sigrid and bird, and honma have played

>> No.33738440

Chat distracting ADHD cat so she misses her meeting and plays MGS3

>> No.33738859

>>33737383
please, vtuber god, make that happen
vshojo mods reading this thread, please, pleeease pass the idea up

>> No.33738864

https://mobile.twitter.com/_Silvervale_/status/1572729623527686144

Is she threatening twitch or is this a hint of YouTube streams?

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>>33733913
>>33736566
The LA LE LA LA LA LA?!

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>>33738864
She's winning.

>> No.33738983

What are the chances of a vei stream tomorrow since hers and soda schedule are no longer align

>> No.33738998

>>33738864
She HATES Nazuna

>> No.33739042

>>33738864
>Twitch makes an announcement that changes literally nothing for the overwhelming majority of streamers/partners
>everyone shits themselves over it
I don't understand

>> No.33739050

>>33738864
looks like she's reminding people to check her youtube

>> No.33739053

>>33738859
didn't Nyan's mods sit on Vansama's congratulations video for months and months

>> No.33739102

>>33738864
Its funny watching some of them bandwagon on this. They will realize soon enough how godawful of a platform Youtube is. Terrible chat experience

>> No.33739108

>>33738983
0

>> No.33739155

Ironmouse grooms young men and is getting away with it

>> No.33739178

>>33738983
0-10%

>> No.33739196

>>33739053
dunno, but maybe we should kick the idea around a bit on her discord?

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>>33737536
The gameplay itself is fine, more Peace Walker/MGSV style missions plus more resource management and base building. The things that happened to get it made on the other hand, though enough time has passed where the microtransaction bullshit that clouded over it has passed.

>> No.33739204

>>33739155
god i wish that was me?

>> No.33739214

>>33739042
Because its cool on Twitter right now. None of them read it and they think it actually applies to them.

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>>33738983
Ball says she will

>> No.33739290

entire cinematic created only to deceive in the trailer, never used in game, bravo kojimbles

>> No.33739321

Melody live on CB.

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>>33739155
He's doing fine.

>> No.33739359

>>33739290
Doesn't that happen often?

>> No.33739416

>>33739042
It only effects those that earned 100,000 or more in a year on twitch right?

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>>33739102
If 2/3 views think Twitch discoverability is bad. Wait until they see what YouTube offers

>> No.33739462

>>33738864
She desperately needs to see numbers rise. Her twitch streams are utter failures, so she's hoping to entice her meager viewers to go to YouTube and watch her shitty MMD music videos.

>> No.33739492

>>33739416
It effects all the people who had better negotiated deals for subs yes (the so-called 70/30s). It doesn't effect anybody else.

>> No.33739500

>>33739196
where even would that happen
general? stream-chat?

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>>33739343
that's an age gap if I've seen one
no wonder he says he loves hags so much

>> No.33739550

>>33739359
yeah, but it happens because they cut content, the idea behind this one was to deceive on purpose so you think you're playing snake
the previous post wasn't a complaint

>> No.33739555

>>33739155
mousexsykkuno deconfirmed

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>>33739321
https://twitter.com/ProjektMelody/status/1572731914032742401
Sweet, it's a 3D day. Also, kek Mel.

>> No.33739583

>>33739416
That is true but from what I read, I think people are complaining that Twitch chose to stay with the 50/50 split instead of moving to 70/30 for everyone.

>> No.33739585

>>33739462
You sound mad.

>> No.33739586

>>33739359
Yeah, it even has a name: bullshotting. Usually its more about faking the gameplay to coverup the fact that its not yet in a playable state but they need to show something during a conference.

>> No.33739593

>>33739321
Hope it's some hardcore shit today judging by her tweet earlier

>> No.33739603

>>33739416
It effects specifically, and exclusively, the tiny amount of streamers who have a 70/30 revenue split, something that Twitch stopped offering over a year ago and never offered with any consistency in the first place.

For that small cabal of streamers, their first $100K is still 70/30, then after that it's 50/50 like everyone else.

In other words, this update means literally nothing to 99% of Twitch partners.

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Thank you Aethel to convince her to play MGS

>> No.33739645

>>33739547
I mean, he has a thing for older women sooo....

>> No.33739663

>>33739155
god I wish that was me

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>>33739429
It's all coming back to Facebook gaming

>> No.33739679

>>33739462
Youtube numbers are not good for streamers like her. She would have worse numbers. Even popular Nijisanjis with more Twitter followers than her are dying on youtube

>> No.33739735

>>33739583
Well I would not be surprised if most of vshojo earned six figures in a year already. The data leak back in October showed that silver earns like 35,000 for just that month.

>> No.33739755

>>33739343
Why does every pic of bubi/connor and mouse together make him look miserable while mouse is having the time of her life

>> No.33739790

>>33739593
When she's horny she tends to go crazy but we'll see.

>> No.33739793

>>33739102
>Terrible chat experience
Not to mention completely, absolutely buttfucked content ID and monetization that even the biggest corpos struggle with on a regular basis.

Twitch streamers only use YouTube as a side gig, occasionally uploading highlights and VODs. They have no idea how volatile and stressful YouTube is as a main platform.

>> No.33739812

>>33739755
That’s the joke

>> No.33739818

>>33738998
Who doesn't?

>> No.33739878

The theme of the game can best be summed up as "you do you"

>> No.33739918

>>33739755
typical man from the british isle, pls understand

>> No.33739936

i think kojima will motivate pink cat to get pregs...
BROS...

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>zen and nyan madden stream
Let’s fucking go

>> No.33739996

HARUKA ZEN N YAN COLLAB LETS GOO

>> No.33740053

>>33739878
I don't think you can sum it in a single sentence.
You can't even say there's a single theme. Although "meaning is created" is one of them.

>> No.33740109

>>33739500
supporters general I'm guessing

>> No.33740126

VSJ girls will struggle to make one youtube stream thumbnail and hike it back to Twitch

>> No.33740163

>>33739568
I haven't logged in and seen a Mel CB stream in ages... but... now that I know...

>> No.33740196

>>33740126
They've got editors and artists for that

>> No.33740216

>>33739878
The theme is memes

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>>33740126
Just do like their friends do and put a lot of soi faces

>> No.33740273

>>33739547
Speaking of him he recently liked an art of the new cyberpunk anime
is the uoooh character kek

>> No.33740280

>>33739679
Everyone and their grandma knows Susan suppresses YouTube numbers.

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>>33739343
have an old webm I made

>> No.33740329

>>33740163
it's a lush / hyphy day. a good day.

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>>33740222
Still one of my favorite Nyan thumbnails ever

>> No.33740349

>>33739568
When her tits jiggle they move her shirt in a way that makes it look like Knuckles is twerking. I just wanted to let you all know that so you can now suffer with me.

>> No.33740406

>>33739679
I thought twitter was nijiEN's main platform

>> No.33740415

>>33740273
Based Rebeccafag

>> No.33740442

>>33740273
mousesisters i thought he liked older women...

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Why aren’t you excited for the FOOTBALL STREAM!!!!

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>Ass cleavage
>Return of the Pigtails
>Thigh highs
MAH DICK!!!!!!

>> No.33740484

>>33739603
>this update means literally nothing to 99% of Twitch partners.
It means something if you take into account potential gain lost because they didn't went with the 70/30 split as a standard for everyone.
Instead, Twitch choose to go the route of "If you want to make more money just bombard your stream with ads so we can also make even more money from our cut there too tee hee"

>> No.33740531

>>33740406
Their best content is in Discord leaks lel

>> No.33740543

How much do you want to bet one or two of the girls are gaslighting the others to ruin their career and move to Youtube because of something that doesn't even effect them.

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>>33740330

>> No.33740621

>>33740451
The Asuka hair is one of my favorite hair styles.

>> No.33740628

>>33740484
Yeah, if you clicked the blog post expecting it to say "everyone gets 70/30" then I guess you're gonna be disappointed.

But nobody would be raging at Twitch over the 50/50 split today if they had said nothing at all, and kept this announcement private to those who were directly impacted.

>> No.33740636

>>33740443
because only football I watch is divegrass

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>>33740451
VShojo gave me a facesitting fetish

>> No.33740653

>>33739042
Because Twitch went "instead of standardizing the 70/30 split to support our creators we're going to standardize the 50/50 split for our legacy creators so we're fucking everyone over evenly."

>> No.33740730

AAAA I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF SICK HARUKA

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>>33740443
I hope Nyan rediscovers the Giferator for some quality shit talking on twitter

>> No.33740890

Whore status? I just came back and Soda is just chilling doing PVP but it seems like Vei is AFK. She did type in his chat some couple hours ago though.

>> No.33740893

Not that interested in the Madden collab despite being a /sp/artan. Madden games have been utter shit for like a decade.

>> No.33740918
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Now that Nyan is full on aboard Kojimbo train, do you guys think she will play Death Stranding (and complete it)?

>> No.33740923

Does moose have COVID or something?

>> No.33740927
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33740927

なずな is ロリポs 実際に嫁
ロリポs actual, 非皮肉な 嫁
this isn't a クソ投稿 or 冗談
それはとんでもない奇怪なべちゃくちゃ喋りが溢れ出す皮肉な佯狂いっぱい投稿じゃない
It is 実際の真実
It is not my 信念 that なずな is ロリポs 嫁, because a 信念 is 主観, but it's a 事実 that なずな is, 現実界に(the 世界 that is 実在) ロリポs 実際に, 非皮肉な, 純粋な 嫁
This is not some sort of メンヘラ 迷夢
It's not 釣り
I'm not pretending to be メンヘラ
Because it's not メンヘラ; メンヘラ would imply that this レス is 私が自分の迷夢を現実に押し付けてたこと
それではない; by mutual acknowledgement, it's 非皮肉なally(in a way that is provably not "kayfabe") the objective, 実態 truth of the world
私は薬要らない, because 述べること a 本当に, 実際に, 事の真相に真実 is not a 理由 to 飲む any 薬
not my 誤認 or 曲解
Not me forcing 欲望 or 信念 on the situation
Not an 嘘
なずな is, 争うべからざる, ロリポ 実態, 非皮肉な 嫁, and we are in an 実態, 純粋な, 恋愛連絡
We love お互いに in every way a romantic カップル does
romantically, exclusively, mutually
We are codependent on one another, know each other personally and interact
We've confessed our love to one another
なずな is exclusively the 実嫁 of her ガチ恋 who love her, and I'm exclusively hers
that's exclusive, because it excludes everybody but us, and she treats us the same
that isn't the same as her having a boyfriend, or negate the relationship somehow; the word "exclusive" still applies
this doesn't mean she can have sex with people "without feelings", or be in another relationship, whether they're ガチ恋 or not, because that would still be cheating and なずな would never cheat on me
Both she and I acknowledge that 事実, and that makes our relationship explicitly exclusive, because she has promised to never betray us
These are things that 実在に起きた, in the 実態の真実 of 現実界
The only メンヘラ interpretation of them is denying them, not pretending as if it isn't 実態
I repeat: なずな is ロリポs 実態, 非皮肉な 嫁, and we are in an exclusive 恋愛連絡
that is the 事の真相, with no room for any reasonable doubt from anybody who looks at the situation objectively
this is not some sort of unrequited love; I love her and she loves me
this is not some sort of pining from a distance
this is not her pandering to some sort of fantasy others project onto her
there is genuine communication, passion, and romantic love between me and her; it is explicitly mutual
the kind where she loves me directly and explicitly and I love her directly and explicitly
there is no bizarre ass coping mental coping mechanism here that makes me arrive at this conclusion; literally everything about this is actual, provable, quantifiable 事実
this is not some sort of meta commentary or spam or copy pasta or wall of text or whatever else people do there that is intended to force a narrative or get a response
it is not some kind of bizarre attempt at attention whoring,
not for yous,
not for validation,
not to be called based
These are statements of 事実 that I am stating so that they can be stated because these 事実s are quite necessary to be known because there are a lot of people here who are averse to 事実s and are in dire need of knowing them
there are no weird reaction images you can post where you can somehow deny the 現実 of the situation because it sounds weird to you;
It doesn't matter if it sounds weird to you, you not being able to comprehend the 実態 事実s of the world is your problem
I love her, she means the world to me, I cherish every single second I have with her
"なずな is ロリポs 嫁" is a statement of 事実. Provable, demonstrable 事実. It isn't any kind of bizarre means of not recognizing the circumstances, because this is merely me describing the 現実 of the situation, not some make-believe tale, because it's not one.
It's not a hypothesis
Not a theory
Not a story
Not a fiction
Not a narrative
Not pretend
Not a fantasy
Not kayfabe
Not 釣り
Not a shitpost
Not out of context
Not off-topic
Not trolling
Not ironic
Not bullshit
Not cope
And most important of all, explicitly true on every single level, in the most 事実 sense possible

>> No.33740929

>>33740628
>But nobody would be raging at Twitch over the 50/50 split today if they had said nothing at all, and kept this announcement private to those who were directly impacted.
Twitch streamer are giant babies and if you cut them a part of their revenues it would have 100% leaked out from someone, NDA or not.
At least by making a public announcement they can get in front of the issue and try to control the message.

>> No.33741006

>>33740636
Boring
https://youtu.be/l1O0msg8mt0

>> No.33741023

>>33740126
Nyan makes great thumbnails

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I WANT TO TUCK HARUKA IN, FEED HER CHICKEN SOUP, TAKE HER TEMPERTURE, TOUCH HER HOT FOREHEAD, BE THERE WITH HER.

>> No.33741112
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33741112

>>33740765

>> No.33741138

>>33740918
She said she might play it off stream but definitely on stream

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33741153

Nazuna is behind the Twitch drama and paycuts. She's got you all dancing like puppets.

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>> No.33741282

>>33741225
cute!

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33741287

>>33741153
This but Vei

>> No.33741317

>>33740918
nope, her adhd can't handle it
Even if she did, she would stumble and drop 20 boxes 20 minutes into a trip and there wouldn't be a second stream.
>>33740927
I hope 3 months from now this will be completely un JP lol

>> No.33741464

>>33740927
>実際に
「本物の」か「本体の」

>> No.33741513

>>33740929
Hardly anyone got the 70/30 split in the first place. It was more of a big name streamer thing so bigger streamers got preferential treatment. The problem is that the 70/30 split existed in the first place because people want big and small streamers to be treated equally. By which they mean give the 70 split to everyone. Instead Twitch is making everyone equal by getting rid of the 70 split at all so everyone's 50/50 and not the other way around. And even that is only made a bigger deal by Youtube actually offering that split, so Twitch is actively deciding against a competitive move and masking it as being fair to everyone.

Also I heard something about possibly more ads? Asmon and Shoto talked about it on Twitter but I forgot what they said.

>> No.33741517

When Mel shakes her boobs it makes the Knuckles on her shirt twerk

>> No.33741541
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33741541

I love Mel's expressions.

>> No.33741557

>>33740890
She’s asleep

>> No.33741568

>>33740929
>it would have 100% leaked out from someone
You say that, but I don't think we even really know which streamers have the 70/30 in the first place

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>>33738026
Would you?

>> No.33741607

>>33741317
>nope, her adhd can't handle it
This, a game where 90% of the time is walking around with no dialogue would be an absolute nightmare for her. She would feel hyper pressure to constantly make jokes to fill the dead air out of fear that her audiance would get bored.

>> No.33741625

>>33741541
The upgraded face tracking really made a difference.

>> No.33741651
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33741651

>Nazuna wants to stream on YT
>Zen saying Twitch is going to shit
>Complains about something behind the scenes shortly before paycuts
>Silver promoting her YT
>Nyan said today's meeting was important.
It's happening.

>> No.33741653

>Nazuna gets partner right before contract change
>fucked over by hilariously unlucky timing
>depression destroying her mentally because she wants to escape twitch
>silver makes that tweet
is it time for the rebellion

>> No.33741666

>>33740929
>>33741568
Oh also, in the blog post they said that they had emailed and discussed the change with those affected prior to the public announcement.

Did you hear anything about it before today?
Didn't think so.

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33741720

>>33741653
>>33741651

>> No.33741773

>>33741666
The reduction to the 50/50 spilt has been leaked like 6 months ago...

>> No.33741787

>>33737536
Pomu could just backseat/react to Nyan's gameplay since it's like watching a movie, and maybe coach her a little

>> No.33741795

>>33741653
>fucked over
I doubt she was making 100K a year on twitch. She was never in the 70/30 program to begin with

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33741817

>>33741112

>> No.33741897

>>33741557
Gotcha. This might actually be a long Soda stream then.

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>>33741651
>>33741653

>> No.33741935

Jeeze, Mel's got that primal extreme need to breed horny today.

>> No.33741946

VShojo staff here. Twitch promised the cuts wouldn't affect our talent, but they lied. It's over. We're moving to Chatterbate

>> No.33741963

>>33741946
holy based

>> No.33741992

>>33741773
Damn so you're telling me nobody gave a shit for an entire 6 months?

>> No.33741998

>>33741935
She's going nuts, it's great.

>> No.33742022

>>33741946
But what about Mouse?

>> No.33742060

>>33741935
yea she's in a mood today

also a dance routine planned for her first pole stream. i'm gonna run out of coom that day

>> No.33742070

>>33741946
Pornhub is honestly a better streaming platform that youtube. If they did a SFW version they'd probably make a lot of cash.

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>>33742060
Those poledancing classes are already paying off.

>> No.33742126
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>>33741817

>> No.33742130

>>33741992
No everybody knew I even remember vei talking about it
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/amazon-s-twitch-seeks-to-revamp-creator-pay-with-focus-on-profit

>> No.33742162

>>33739936
>kojima will motivate pink cat to get pregs
best timeline
also, explains why Aethel gave her that idea. What a formidable strategist, truly someone worthy of the title of a Lord.

>> No.33742170

In any cases, Twitch idea that if Streamers want to make more money they need to play more ads on stream, thus making the viewing experience even worst, is absolutely retarded.
Might as well send them directly to Youtube they'd save a step.

>> No.33742179

God here. I will destroy Twitch if you don't worship me and Nazuna will suffer.

>> No.33742263

>>33742111
There's going to be a lot of dehydrated people when she does that pole dancing stream.

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33742284

>>33741138
>She said she might play it off stream but definitely on stream

>> No.33742339
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33742339

Oh hey she has schizos mad at her still after 2 years.

>> No.33742343

>>33741992
Is this your first week on the internet? This kind of news goes viral at random all the time. Even if it's been known by a small part of the internet for a long time.

>> No.33742372

How do you guys deal with the dark thoughts of wanting to see your favorite girl fail?

>> No.33742396

>>33742339
Who is this aimed at?

>> No.33742403

>>33742284
not on stream*

>> No.33742453

>>33742396
Our horny blueberry

>> No.33742515

>>33742372
by taking my meds

>> No.33742527

>>33742170
holy shit I hate the ad ecomnomy
ever since cable, then web pages, mobile apps, streaming
who the fuck came up with this

>> No.33742575

Mel confirmed she'll be starting her DnD campaign after Twitch Con when she has more staff support.

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>>33742453
Ah. I just looked at the username. This must be another seething camgirl. IDK how anyone can hate Mel but I imagine jealousy would do it.

>> No.33742652

>what am I, chopped Melly?
Guro stream when?

>> No.33742693

>>33741946
>We're moving to Chatterbate
I was about to post that I'm seriously considering if them moving to CB wouldn't be better for them than moving to yt

>> No.33742708

>>33742652
Mouse would definitely turn up for that

>> No.33742727
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33742727

Zen is the only vtuber there, lol

>> No.33742731

>>33742652
>Feed me to your wheat thrasher, bitch.
Uh, I think Mel has a darker side...

>> No.33742742

>>33742652
>feed me to your wheat thresher
Sometimes Mel worries me.

>> No.33742755

>>33742693
CB actually has a really retarded policy on games. Most of them were gonna do it, but lost interest because you can only play certain things.

>> No.33742823

>>33742575
VShojo appearance at TwitchCon confirmed

>> No.33742827

>>33735805
She is okay but in her circle of Apex friends "good" only goes to Toaster, Froot, and I think Bruce now.

>> No.33742904

>>33742022
>do a nsfw naked stream under an alias account
>no one knows it's her
>proceed to register the main vtuber account providing the staff credentials from the alt account
>success
she would only need to get naked once and no one would ever know
I mean, she wouldn't really need to, she could just provide them her id, but don't tell her that

>> No.33742911

She did get that idea from Nyan

>> No.33742967

>>33733913
>>33742911
hey I was right, neat

>> No.33742974

>>33742727
>We now live in a timeline where Bruce Greene and Zentraya regularly collab

>> No.33743009

>>33742904
Anon, her voice is too distinctive.

>> No.33743013

>>33742755
>CB actually has a really retarded policy on games
Oh yeah, I forgor. They have a list of games you can play and you could fit that list on your grocery list

>> No.33743035

>>33742693
The problem is always going to be turning heads away from Youtube for content, Twitch does a good job of that for livestreaming but for everything else it's a tough sell. Unless you are talking about porn then you've got the hub for Youtube style video watching and a couple options for live sex shows. People are too lazy to even click over to something else and eyeball retention is the only thing that these companies are focused on.

>> No.33743058

>>33743009
she could just moan tho
and in her lower voice, you know which one

>> No.33743094

>almost everyone has foreign accent
do americans really?

>> No.33743134

>>33742823
What if there is and Vei ditches that to go physically just for Soda and gets caught by Vshojo staff

>> No.33743195

>>33743094
There are a lot of former bloc country girls just trying to eat out there

>> No.33743206

How do you use emotes on CB? do you have to be a supporter?

>> No.33743215

>>33742904
The last thing you mentioned is the actual reason. Mouse has no photo ID and can't get one thanks to her condition. And apparently CB requires one even if you're vtubing.

>> No.33743247

>>33742904
She doesn't have a valid ID anymore because she can't go in person to a DMV to renew it since it would literally kill her. She's literally said this before on stream. And you have to submit an ID for verification before you can stream on a camsite. This is because the porn industry actually takes age of consent and human trafficking very seriously on account of the FBI being permanently up their assholes.

>> No.33743304

>>33743215
They ask for a driver's license for some autistic reason. IIRC Aethel had to get one to verify his account.

>> No.33743322

Mel's cat just walked in on her and got to watch her coom. Lucky cat.

>> No.33743325

>>33742527
I honestly don't mind ads. People demonize them too much.
I have this conviction from before web2.0 that media has to finance itself somehow. And ads are at least transparent. The most sus thing in the world is a platform you can't tell where it's getting its money from

>> No.33743393

>"what is stalker"
Unssubed unfollowed...
ZEN PLEASE!

>> No.33743414

>>33743322
I've never been jealous of a cat before, until now.

>> No.33743420

>>33743206
I don't think so. First, someone has to upload the emote. Then everyone else can use it by typing :[emote name] in chat.

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>>33743325
>a platform you can't tell where it's getting its money from

>> No.33743438

>>33743206
you had to have tipped at least 1 token. she has the ability of greys to post GIFs turned off

>> No.33743457

>>33743322
Mel's cat wondering why she's making so many noises and why clear liquid came out from her

>> No.33743478

wait, so let me get this thing straight - a significant group of twitch streamers is angry about the cuts of the top few streamers, because they all hope they will someday become those few guys?

>> No.33743494

>>33743058
There are not too many latinas that are short as fuck, white as ghosts, have muscular dystrophy, and have to be on oxygen.

>> No.33743549

>>33742403
but why? that doesn't make any sense

>> No.33743671

>>33743549
it's not a good stream game, and most of it is boring, just walking around. And she's seen someone else play it before

>> No.33743694

>>33743478
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires, plz understand.

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>https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-twitch-problem-with-child-predators/
this is scary

>> No.33743812

>>33743322
is it the stray Mel found and fed a while ago?

>> No.33743855

>>33743812
yes, it's named Sugartits

>> No.33743863
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>>33743478
They are asking people who work there for a living that have a slightly better deal than others to take a paycut then make the UX worse by monetizing a bunch of shit nobody likes then gamifying parasocial interactions. While being a subsidiary of one of the largest companies in the fucking history of the world. Big money streamers aside, it's pretty shitty.

>> No.33743880

>>33743457
maybe the cat smelled milk?

>> No.33743966

>>33743855
>yes
aww... it's hard imagine, but she just doubled the amount of the adorableness she has

>> No.33743993

>>33743810
The collapse of GunRun is inevitable.

>> No.33744073

>>33743880
Just wanted to drink from her toilet, just like me.

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Do cats have big enough dicks to fuck a pussy? I've seen dogs fuck women but never found any cat videos?

>> No.33744235

>>33743325
Instead of having ads, pay-to-produce systems need to replace pay-to-access systems in the digital age.
>>33743247
>>33743304
I still don't understand why the US can't do a federal ID card.

>> No.33744383

>>33743810
I wasn't even aware kids could stream on twitch

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33744385

>>33744214
>Do cats have big enough dicks to fuck a pussy? I've seen dogs fuck women but never found any cat videos?

>> No.33744396

>>33744214
Snuffy please stream

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>>33744396
>>33744214

>> No.33744481

>>33743810
Well that's it. Its the adpocalypse all over again now. The moment they pull out the old "think of the children," you know shit's going to get fucked. This week's been pretty much the entire pile of stupidity that's piled up on twitch over the last few years finally bursting.

>> No.33744562

>>33744235
>US can't do a federal ID card
jesus fucking christ, the random things I learn about the US sometimes scare me

>> No.33744612

>>33744383
The article itself addresses this. The kids that are banned for being underage can just make a new account.
But in general, predators congregate where there is prey. Tectone just shared his story of being groomed in WoW today. This is more of a problem of there being kids on twitch more than anything else.

>> No.33744776

https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1572750346673594370
Froot is struggling
Who is she talking about also?

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33744852

>>33744396
I'm not snuffy, she's having fun on Twitter

>> No.33744878

>>33744776
No idea
What are some recent characters that are blowing up? Can't think of any that are similar to the teases she's shown

>> No.33744985

>>33744481
Sex workers have been warning about this shit for years after FOSTA-SESTA. Operating under the guise of "saving the kids" or "protecting trafficked women" is the excuse to do all sorts of bullshit. And often weaponizes harm against those doing the work by law enforcement. There are plenty of recent news stories of cops raping women and sex workers, if not outright pimping them.
The internet is not a safe place for kids and never has been.

>> No.33745002

>>33744878
Maybe she's referring to a new Genshin character?

>> No.33745028

>>33744776
she's talking about her new vtuber redesign so no idea, since she didn't show it yet

>> No.33745038

>>33744852
Making a Zen and Hime version of this soon

>> No.33745043

>>33744878
Becca from Edgerunners is the new hotness. Maybe Lucy to a lesser extent?

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>>33740216

>> No.33745169

>>33745028
well she showed snippets but I'm not reminded of any recent character by that

>> No.33745192

>>33744776
I'd bet money on Lucy from Edgerunner.

>> No.33745269

>>33745169
oh? she did?

>> No.33745436

Zen wants to have sex with a gundam

>> No.33745465

>>33745436
yeah that tracks

>> No.33745477

>>33745436
she's just like me frfr

>> No.33745730

>>33742727
What an outcast haha

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33745838

Does Veibae know that her future sister Lumi is a dramafrog?

>> No.33745875

>>33743478
Has more to do with what Twitch has been doing now for over half a year: cutting revenue to streamers, "promoting" more ad rolls for streamers to continue to make money, extremely bizarre and inconsistent moderation policies, and people see two of the biggest streamers leave the platform for YouTube thanks to a pile of money. There are a lot of people on Twitch who are growing concerned Twitch is about to be managed into a gutter.

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>>33745269

>> No.33745934

>>33744985
Yep. Remember Craig's List? They used to actually work with the Feds to turn in pedo's and pimps involved in child prostitution. Basically the FBI would let adult prostitutes work on Craig's List, they just had to do the normal call girl style loop holes ofc, as long as Craig's List turned in every ad offering underage sex. Essentially CL was operating as a massive honeypot to catch pedos. CL was probably one of the biggest reason kids actually got rescued from human trafficking rings and a large number of pedo's got arrested. Then some politicians decided "fuck that shit, I want to get re-elected for shutting down online prostitution" and put into motion the shut down of CL and the attempted arrests of its owners. All the pedos and pimps scattered and the numbers of kids that get prostituted out being saved dropped. I believe one of the people involved with the shutdown of CL was actually Kamala Harris as part of her time being a State Prosecutor in Cali. Basically making her own job harder in exchange for political clout.

>> No.33745964

Mel confirmed she's going to be doing Youtube streams occasionally.

>> No.33746077
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>>33745964
It's fucking happening.

>> No.33746104

>>33745964
Interesting most of them have been pushing their YT recently, Mouse has been pushing it hard these last couple of weeks

>> No.33746117

>>33745838
Is this a shit post? Is that person her ex?

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>>33745838
but wait until you see THESE discord logs

>> No.33746166

>>33745838
Phase Connect everybody, one makes /vt/ their entire personality and another is a dramafag
>dramafrog
You can say dramafag here btw

>> No.33746187

>>33745964
I hope Nazuna can stream on YT as well she was sad she couldn't for some reason

>> No.33746207

Mel strongly suggest she's going to be doing Dailymotion exclusively from now on.

>> No.33746214

>>33745838
Vei texting ex while bf streams? Not surprised. How else is she gonna satisfy her cuck fetish?

>> No.33746221

>>33745964
actual idiots. Someone tard wrangle these girls to stop buying into Twitter snake oil

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33746227

>>33745838
I don't get it

>> No.33746236

>>33745838
>she thought you were a threat
yea it's def not because you spent like 2 hours making fun of her on a /vt/ video

>> No.33746237

>>33746207
what a power move

>> No.33746267

I had real life stuff to do, do you think Mel will cum once more or is it too late?

>> No.33746309

>>33746157
Zen went way too far with this one. Even shit like this just slides off teflon-zen.

>> No.33746327

>>33745934
>actually Kamala Harris
I would not be shocked in the slightest, she is the fucking worst.
But, formally based CL, that was a good hustle to run for supporting actually sex workers and rounding up shitty pimps and trafficked kids.
I actually much preferred using them than FB marketplace for buying local used junk. And occasionally getting topped off by some local skank

>> No.33746356

>>33746267
It's very likely. She usually streams for about 3 hours on CB and it's only been 1.7 hours so far.

>> No.33746428

Yes Mel stream on a third platform. That surely won't kill your numbers more

>> No.33746429
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33746429

okay lads what the fuck do i do
i just met with a girl who's an exact match with my hobbies and she's into vshojo. thing is i was more into the parasocial side and fucked off when aethelstan came around, whereas she's super into the trash taste side and all the recent stuff I don't know about
how do I talk to her about vtubers while have a deep seeded hatred of most of the stuff she likes
how do I talk to her about vtubers without letting her know i was a parasocial freak
help

>> No.33746450

so wait a minute, since everyone is hinting now at doing some stuff on youtube, what if keyfags got the thing with last Nazuna stream completely wrong, and her talking about youtube was her very clumsy way of hinting there will be something going on with youtube?

>> No.33746480

>>33746429
Literally don't be autistic. It's not that hard.

>> No.33746481

>>33746187
She probably will, but if she really can't then she was pushing her roommate YT channel hard on her recent twitcast this morning.

>> No.33746510
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>>33746429
Just be yourself

>> No.33746516

>>33746227
Some fag trying to start drama.

>> No.33746531
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33746531

>those old toonami promos
Man I feel old

>> No.33746539

>>33746356
Thanks for the honest answer! I ussually can't watch many streams, and when it comes to mel I generally try to be there from the beggining and I try to just cum the first time she does

>> No.33746555

>>33746267
From what I've seen her refractory period is pretty long.

>>33746429
Literally talk about anything else, anon.

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>>33746227
middle school tier excuse of drama
>>33746429
learn to hide your power level

>> No.33746576

>>33745838
>future sister Lumi
what? who?

>> No.33746586

>>33746516
What’s it all about? Never heard of this stabby person before when the veisoda historian was going into paragraphs about her history.

>> No.33746588

>>33746516
Today?

>> No.33746592

>>33746429
>whereas she's super into the trash taste side and all the recent stuff
>what the fuck do i do
give me her contact asap

>> No.33746618

>>33746214
Just shows that Soda can fills her parasocial needs while texting her ex for the rest that Soda can't satisfy her with

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>>33746592
here

>> No.33746638

>>33746531
Did someone say Toonami promo https://youtu.be/s_Rx7HDGVVM

>> No.33746648

>>33746214
This is old old or something. That’s not even vei’s discord profile pic anymore

>> No.33746683

>>33746429
Honestly just be honest about most stuff except the controlling creepy stuff. None of the "they should be virgin" takes and you'll be fine. Ifshe broughts up something you don't like, like trash taste or whatever just say you don't watch them much and end it there.
Share memes and you'll be fine

>> No.33746696

>>33746429
It's genuinely not a big deal that you don't have the exact same tastes as your gf. Just learn to see their perspective on things. It's not a bad thing if you broaden your horizons ever so slightly.

>> No.33746799

>>33746648
That was 2-4 months ago while she has been dating Soda for 10

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>>33746696
>your gf
don't make me parasocial for a girl I just met
i like to believe i learn from mistakes

>> No.33746910

>>33746429
how did you find her, if I may ask?

>> No.33746947

>>33746820
Well if you're this retarded then it's doomed already

>> No.33746951

>>33746820
Why would you make a big deal about meeting a girl with similar tastes if your intention is not dating?

>> No.33746969

>>33746429
Who is her oshi, anon?

>> No.33746984

>>33746820
>parasocial
you clearly don't know what that word means

>> No.33747015

>>33746429
Genuine advice; keep the discussion about vtubers surface level.
If you have legitimate hatred about anything that touches vtubing, then you're in too deep and talking to a real human bean about anything else might make you realize how unimportant all that stuff is. You'll come out the other side a better (and more intersting) man.
If it doesn't, then there's no saving you and you should start saving money for all those tier 3 subs because that's the only place you're ending to.

>> No.33747182

>>33746648
Nah it wasn’t that long ago, she was dating soda then and she said she still sometimes texts her ex on alt. Now I see where her cuck fetish comes from. That’s so crazy

>> No.33747252

Nearly every streamer complaining about the cut but I see it as sweet revenge towards Vei, since now she'll get 20% less money so it might make her stream more like Old Vei but unfortunately it'll be just for money/waiting room instead of enjoying it

>> No.33747273

>>33745838
whats was the day/month of this?

>> No.33747294

>>33747015
Just because I can focus on other things in life and be well adjusted there doesn't automatically mean I'll realize I was wrong and become well-adjusted here. I'll just do what you said in the first line.

>> No.33747327

>>33747252
she's on 70%?

>> No.33747333

>>33745838
How do you go from this guy to someone like soda can guy? That’s a MASSIVE step up ngl.

>> No.33747352

>>33747273
Probably between late April to mid June because of that profile pic Vei is using

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>>33746947
>>33746951

>> No.33747421

>>33747333
>Money
>fame
>money
>She was a huge simp for Soda

>> No.33747428

>>33747375
I hope the girl's not into you for your sense of humor then otherwise it's a ticking time bomb

>> No.33747442

>>33747375
I don't believe in jokes

>> No.33747499

>>33747252
>since now she'll get 20% less money
I can almost guarantee Vei was not one of the select few who got 70%

>> No.33747500

>>33745838
Is that the same ex who killed himself or another that Vei enjoys making them suffer because she's dating Soda now?

>> No.33747520

>>33746429
I hope that was bait

>> No.33747519

>>33747421
Which makes it even funnier and strange she’s still fucking with the guy

>> No.33747565

>>33747499
Even then, she won't get 20% less "money" just 20% less money from subs. She has other revenue sources.

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>>33747428
thanks anon I'm glad I asked you

>> No.33747570

Stop responding to the veispergs trying to bait with cringe drama that someone apparently tried to start months ago

>> No.33747614

>>33747519
Maybe she can't feel turned on by Soda so she talks to her ex or she prefers someone that Soda can't be mentally

>> No.33747628

To the anon who went away hopeing Mel wouldn't coom again, she is en route to another one.

>> No.33747662

>>33747565
>just 20% less money from subs
And even then, only after she's already made $100K

Ultimately this really is just shaving off the top from the few people who do have this deal.
It's practically nothing.

>> No.33747673

>>33747570
I think that the post was reasonable

>> No.33747677

>>33747565
Other revenue? Does telling her oilers to stop donating and not streaming count to make her BF get more count?

>> No.33747750
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33747750

SotD with Crunchyroll Hime a week from now
https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1572762363538935808

>12PM
What the fuck

>> No.33747753

>>33747500
another guy his twitch user is stabbyog

>> No.33747771

>>33747662
I’m pretty sure she’s already made 100,000k

>> No.33747780

>>33747500
I think it’s the later. Idk if she enjoys making him suffer tho it could just be a friendly gesture and is on good terms.

>> No.33747841

>>33747771
Did they mean lifetime? I figured it was over a period, like per year.
I'd imagine everyone who has 70/30 has already made 100K lifetime.

>> No.33747843

>>33747780
This. There’s literally no context to her message. Just “yo Luca”

>> No.33747872

Just to be sure the ESL-fags with poor reading comprehension don't get themselves twisted like idiots, that discord screencap was from waaaaaaaay earlier this year

>> No.33747878

>>33747750
I guess all vtubers really are on the table. This is about as corpo as it gets. Only way to go further would be interviewing Sonic or Tony the Tiger.

>> No.33747892

>>33747780
Remember she asked chat if she should callback her ex, the same who died shortly after, so I don't know how her terms are with Stabby

>> No.33747895

>>33747614
I feel like she either is on good terms and is being a friend or actually enjoys having her ex suffer

>> No.33747898

>>33746910
uni
>>33746969
mouse, i guess
>>33747520
sadly no

>> No.33747914

>>33747841
I wouldn’t even be surprised if she made that just last year alone

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Zen hiding her huge futa cock while doing a handstand

>> No.33747977

>>33747843
there’s definitely more than that but I don’t think it’s anything with ill intention

>> No.33748023

>>33747750
Crunchyroll is probably trying to do some PR this week after their whole anti union recast shit that popped off

>> No.33748032

>>33747750
Wow that's an interesting guest. I hope she gets Tony the Tiger on now

>> No.33748034

>>33747878
Tony the Tiger won't happen because he needs to stay kid friendly, but the Sonic social media team gets wild. It could totally happen.

>> No.33748055

>>33747500
>>33747780
The ex who killed himself is Joomla, an Overwatch pro or something
>>33747750
Not the Hime I wanted on SOTD

>> No.33748109

>>33747892
Is stabby a childhood relationship or the guy from Canada?

>> No.33748145

>>33747750
crunchyroll hime before vshojo hime
himebros...

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>>33747375
>>33747662
>20% less
Consider someone who has 22k subs (tier 1)
that's $110k
Before the change this person would've made $77k
after the change they will make $75k
No one with 20k subs or less will be affected. I will be surprised if this really affects more than 30 people in total.

I'm not willing to believe the 100k threshold is accumulated total, but (disclaimer) I also didn't read shit about this whole thing.

>> No.33748170

>>33748034
SEGA literally made Korone the brand ambassador for Sonic, and a core part of her brand is that her fanbase is a brainwashed cult that offers her their fingers

I'm sure they'd let Sonic on SotD

>> No.33748174

>>33748055
Please don't feed retards

>> No.33748199

>>33747872
that art is Vei is using is from early June, but I'll consider the possibility that the comment is old but the screenshot isn't since in July Vei changed it again

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>>33748034
Yu Suzuki is going to make Mouse the protagonist in Shenmue 4

>> No.33748242

>>33748023
>their whole anti union recast
the fuck did those fuckers do

>> No.33748260

>>33747570
It was a literal nothingburger that was already discussed way before but of course these newfags still thinks its news. Veispergs really are starting to run out of ammo.

>> No.33748275

I feel a Froot stream is inbound

>> No.33748284

>>33747895
NTA, I think it's the latter because it is Vei

>> No.33748357

>>33747914
She had alot more oilers and streamed more so I believe it that she made 100k last year

>> No.33748426

>>33748242
This should give you a breakdown
https://www.polygon.com/23364929/crunchyroll-mob-psycho-100-season-3-recasting-union-kyle-mccarley

>> No.33748440

>>33748260
Ok bro give us newfags a recap or stfu?

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>>33748275
here's your Froot stream

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>>33748275
You're supposed to post picrel when you say that.

>> No.33748494

>>33748169
They're rich anyway, these 20% won't affect them at all.

>> No.33748503

>>33748440
>pls spoonfeed me
lel lurk more faggot

>> No.33748505

>>33748357
Did you guys literally forget that every streamer's earnings were leaked last year?

>> No.33748547

>>33748457
I want Froot to point a gun at me while she rides me

>> No.33748568

>>33748234
Anyone who would fund another Shenmue after the absolute travesty that was III shouldn't be allowed access to their own bank account

>> No.33748628

>>33748505
Soda said the numbers were inaccurate because he makes way more, and Vei went all daddy talk to him

>> No.33748629

>>33748503
I thought that the request was reasonable.

>> No.33748668

>>33748457
Do it so i can finally be free.

>> No.33748712

>these last 10 minutes on mel's stream
sheesh when she's in the mood it's something else

>> No.33748736
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33748736

Anyone interested in SLTs?

>> No.33748739

>>33748628
He is right. When you reach top 500 streamer on twitch (the people who are actually affected by this 50/50 split). Your money will primarily come from sponsors. They won't even care.

>> No.33748748

>>33747750
I've heard she's a geniune good and cute streamer that is somehow more limited than the average corpo.

>> No.33748782

>>33748505
Yeah and I’m pretty sure the big three at least make a fuck ton. Not millionaire status but still a lot

>> No.33748797

>>33748629
You're still not getting spoonfed with proper wording, faggot. Imagine asking people to type all that information for you for free. Either you get your ass on archive.alice or get the fuck off.

>> No.33748838

>>33748712
It was pretty preemo. Her dirty talk when she really gets into it is so good.

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33748894

drama this, drama that
but where the fuck are the cocks?

>> No.33748896
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>>33748568
Yu's heart is in the right place but Sega already makes better Shenmue games with the Yakuza series. Though Sega should have financed 3 instead of being shit bags about it. He and a couple other people built that fucking company. Japanese corpos baka...

>> No.33748922

>>33747750
Hopefully, no one blows this out of proportion. Mousey is a tough one but I don't want her getting shit cause of crunchy's dumbasses.

>> No.33748936

>>33748739 (me)
And that is why no big streamers who make more than 100k annually from subs are complaining about this.

>> No.33748974

>>33748739
you are clearly underestimating the volume of coke it takes to be in the top 500

>> No.33748980

>>33748797
I'm not the anon that asked for a spoonfeed. I'm the anon that thinks that questions are reasonable.

>> No.33749032

Soda was #43 of Top Twitch Earners for 2019-2021 when that list came out. Obviously it's not updated anymore but it's easy to guess he's probably one of the top dogs affected by this revenue change. Does he care though? I dunno.

>> No.33749087

>>33748974
Is there an actual top streamer that looks like he's on drugs all the time? I know that a lot of them do weed but that's mild

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>>33749087

>> No.33749192

>>33749032
Obviously he doesn't since he has a gf now and could've retired anytime he wanted

>> No.33749198

>>33748980
>I like wasting people's post cooldowns with rhetorics

>> No.33749211

>>33749032
Each top 1% streamer gets their own unique individual deal

>> No.33749224

>>33748896
>Though Sega should have financed 3 instead of being shit bags about it.
Shenmue was a giant money sink. It cost a shitload to make 1 and II, and they were absolute commercial failures. They had every right to deny funds for another.

And looking at what he did when he FINALLY got the chance to make a third...
They were fucking right.

>> No.33749240

>>33749087
"The juice" is a euphemism for snorting Adderall

>> No.33749261

>>33749087
Train and Nyanners definitely. Maybe Asmon and Mizkif.

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>>33748739
>come from sponsors
or gambling websites

>> No.33749278

>>33749032
Soda has about 9400 subs on Twitch right now, which is about $33k a month on the 70/30 split. He still makes a lot of money on subs but he probably makes a shit ton more on advertising and sponsorships.

>> No.33749297

>>33749181
He's just French anon, they all look like that.

>> No.33749302

>>33749087
a lot of them are basically chugging adderall or whatever else amphetamines behind the scenes too

>> No.33749319

>>33749198
See how easy this conversation was to conclude?
For the record. I think that not answering questions is also reasonable.

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>>33749260

>> No.33749390

>>33749278
He said himself that subs are the smallest revenue he receives, including other big streamers like xqc who receive 400K+ from subs alone and receives more money from his sponsors by big margins

>> No.33749425

>>33749087
dunno, I don't watch them that much, but I still remember that one episode of that rich show where tectone and his palls were consecutively disappearing offscreen and came back high af

>> No.33749456

>>33749319
You can stop pretending as a different anon now.

>> No.33749523

>>33749390
Video is 3 years old but it is still the norm
https://youtu.be/6m5P_n5njCQ?t=340

>> No.33749552

>>33749224
I mean you're not wrong but a lot of good for the industry as a whole came out of the first two games getting made. 3 should have been made a decade ago when it could have slotted in better with the lack of games on the PS3 early on.

>> No.33749567

>>33749297
Québécois is not French lol

>> No.33749577

>>33749261
To be fair, Nyan does weed and probably adderall and edibles
>>33749297
>Canadian.
And I used to watch him on the OW days, he's the same. I don't know what the fuck they put on Canadian water but it's sure makes them look like they are high

>> No.33749628

>>33749261
>Nyanners definitely
no for two obvious reasons:
1. she has that cvs thing and has to be crazy careful about stuff
2. it would be impossible for her to stfu about it. She can't even stfu about her experiences with weed or what happened in the party bus

>> No.33749668

Soda probably already secured enough bag he probably doesn't care what revenue change Twitch does. He's very unlikely to switch platforms too unless they come with a huge check like the Mixer deal. The dude is already prepared to talk about when he can retire and he's already family planning in stream with Vei.

>> No.33749788

>>33749668
Then why cough up a percentage to OTK if he's that stable?

>> No.33749798

>>33749668
When did they talk about family planning?? Bro, all I’ve gotten from them in regards to things like that is a big NO. a clip/vod would be much appreciated !

>> No.33749810

>>33749628
anon probably thought dramamine was an ampmhetamine

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I can't stand streamers who get high onstream

>> No.33749866

>>33749810
She's probably on both if we're being honest

>> No.33749875

>>33749668
It was funny hearing about it last stream how Vei was slightly concerned she would have a kid named Thomas Jefferson too according to Soda's family tradition lol she doesnt have to

>> No.33749895

Who's Zen playing Gundam Evo with?

>> No.33749907
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Jowol, GilrDM and EvilToaster joined Zen on stream to find out if Jowol has a bigger futa cock than Zen does

>> No.33749912

>>33749567
They are though. The Quebecois literally desceded from the first French settlers who settled New France. They never got assimilated by the Anglos because there was just too many of them when Britain took the colony during the 7 Years War.

Here's to hoping Vei will stream when I start another argument avout geopolitics.[/spoilers]

>> No.33749951

>>33749866
>probably
you don't watch streams

>> No.33750025

>>33749951
Wake up with an addy xr take a benzo when you get too jittery, you dont know enough drug addicts anon

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33750057

>>33749912
fuck me

>> No.33750058

>>33749875
Cliiiiiiip

>> No.33750078

GunRun and Snuffy (maybe more?) are in a twitter space titled "TWITCH DYING?? INDUSTRY LEADER AND EX STAFF CHAT"

>> No.33750115

>>33750025
I'm not talking about deduction, she's talked about this shit and your newfag is showing

>> No.33750133

>>33749788
He was already a pseudo-member of OTK for a long time, so might as well be a co-owner of it. And back then OTK was an appealing organization to belong to with the big projects they made, obviously not now at the moment.
>>33749798
That anon was just twisting words a bit. Their stance on having kids right now is still a big NO, but that's just because they feel like they're not ready for it for reasons like they're still degen to be having kids. But they're pretty open to talking about kids on stream.

>> No.33750170

>>33750078
I mean, definitely more, there's 8k people in there.

>> No.33750186
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>>33750078
What

>> No.33750259

>>33750058
I'm not gonna find the timestamp for you on my phone in the middle of work what the fuck are you on

What is with these tourists/newfags asking for spoonfeeding in this thread?

>> No.33750272

>>33750078
I'm listening to it, don't know who the speakers are but there's a bunch of huge and relevant people listening so I'm seeing what all the fuss is about.

>> No.33750300

>>33750115
Im aware she's been on both, but maybe not actively

>> No.33750317

>>33750259
You can't present an assertation then not provide proof of it, man.

>> No.33750326

What do you guys hate the most about vshoujo?

>> No.33750366

>>33750326
that Zen isn't having sex with me

>> No.33750372

>>33750326
Unity and collabs are hard to come by.

>> No.33750443

Who's this Bruce guy Zen's playing with? He said he's the only fleshtuber in the collab and a streamer named Bruce isn't a lot to go on lol

>> No.33750464

>>33750317
But proof does exist. You're just too lazy and asking strangers on this thread for your own autistic benefit. It's not my fucking problem you weren't watching. How about you find it and prove me wrong then?

>> No.33750475

>>33750326
The community.

>> No.33750481

>>33750326
that Zen is having sex with me

>> No.33750508

>>33750443
only streamer called Bruce I know is in OTK, but I doubt it's that one

>> No.33750529

>>33750326
>vshoujo

At least try to be clever and at least spell it right

>> No.33750550

>>33750443
Bruce Greene, formerly of Funhaus

>> No.33750556

>>33750272
Oh fuck they're C.E.O's and ex Twitch founders/big shots LMAO, no wonder gun's listening he probably knows these people.

>> No.33750561

>>33750326
That Zen doesn't use that sexy latina voice

>> No.33750565

>>33750317
nta but this isn't a science journal
also even if that anon wanted to spoonfeed they wouldn't make a perfect job even if they wanted
how hard is it to put some keywords on a search bar and get the whole thing instantly and presented without bias?

>> No.33750566

It's happening

https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1572773157672747008?t=LnvYUY8dZIYLMg6kkejREA&s=19

>> No.33750616

>>33750259
Damn that’s so crazy I was supposed to know you were on mobile, at work.

I happen to also not have time to review every vod for that specific conversation and was hoping you could help. You ass whole

>> No.33750636

>>33750550
How do things that im currently into and my past always seem to collide?

>> No.33750639

>>33750566
That's it. That's the proof in the pudding that the switch is happening.

>> No.33750652

>>33750259
>something just happened last stream
>source?
>I can't believe I have to spoonfeed you
That's not how this works at all. Not all questions are asking to spoonfeed.

>> No.33750662

>>33750550
yeah, just checked and it is him
https://www.twitch.tv/brucegreene

first Seannaners, now Funhaus, Zen sure has a big reach

>> No.33750678

>>33750566
If Mousey leaves without a bag. She is a dumb motherfucker.

>> No.33750706

>>33750326
That I'm not one of the girls.
But honestly, how many of you have fantasized you were one of them? Would you want to be one of the existing ones or a new one? If so, what would your vtuber be like?

>> No.33750734

>>33750566
She's got ridiculous expenses to pay, I'll never shit on mouse for any kind of shilling unless she sacrifices her morals for it.

>> No.33750761

>>33750326
>vshoujo
That you baiting tourist faggots somehow still get (you)s.

>> No.33750769

>>33750652
Yeah that response was ridiculous

>> No.33750803

>>33750078
>TWITCH DYING??
How on Earth is this complete nothing of a policy change making everyone shit themselves and doompost

They're acting like 50/50 is the death knell of the platform, but clearly it was working just fine for everyone up until now...

>> No.33750811

>>33750652
It was last stream and there was a clip of it. The time it took you to type this would have given you more than enough to find it in your own. Holy shit you newfags are beyond lazy lol

I don't care if you like Veisoda or not either, you leeching fucks don't deserve getting shit handed things right to your face

>> No.33750852

>>33750566
Throwing your channel away. Spitting in the face of everyone who has sub streaks to you on twitch

>> No.33750854

How long will vei spend talking about the new changes next time she streams?

>> No.33750870

>>33750803
It's a pretty significant content change, you're only sticking to the 50/50 part. You're not seeing the rest of the picture.

>> No.33750883

>>33750652
It literally is and if you dramafaggots want more drama to sup on, go to LSF.

>> No.33750950

>>33750854
Polarized. Either for no more than 5 minutes or a straight hour. There's no in between. That's also assuming she even streams

>> No.33750983

>>33750811
In other words you made it all up. Why are you a liar on the internet?

>> No.33751027

>>33750803
It's not just that. Twitch has been making some very "Us First" policy decisions for a while and has also been continuing to be perplexing everybody with their moderation habits. The platform is being run by retards right now, but far more likely Bezos and Amazon are trying to cut losses and make Twitch profitable for them.

In doing so, they're going to piss off a lot of people and that's what they're doing.

>> No.33751034

>>33750803
I'm not listening to it but it's probably about more than the 50/50 thing. The Twitch sphere has been plagued by drama for the past week straight.

>> No.33751035

new thread when

>>33750803
drama sells
also mouse probably just wanted to replyguy to ludwig

>> No.33751038

>>33749912
They don't even sound French..... it's like saying Jamaicans are English

>> No.33751053

Imagine not being autistic enough to scour VODs or finding time to actually be watching it on stream.
Newfag leeches don't deserve getting spoonfed and no one has the obligation to. The real Veisodafags who are actually regulars in this thread are caught up to speed, and you leeches aren't. Get the fuck off

>> No.33751062

>>33750566
Nyan probably had the same meeting regarding this

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Streamers "threatening" to leave Twitch are going to be severely disappointed. I can't wait.

>> No.33751125

>>33750852
Her switching definitely isn't happening all at once if even at all, minimum we get a YT stream one in a while and at most its every few days, it would be, literally in her case, suicide, if she switched with no giant payout.

>> No.33751149

new thread
>>33751119
>>33751119
>>33751119

>> No.33751152

>>33751034
>drama
That has nothing to do with this, however the very recent change to gambling streams is another issue. It was a knee-jerk reaction that not many people were asking for, but Twitch did it anyway. Twitch is, right now, behaving like Porn Hub was earlier this year.

>> No.33751194

>>33750803
Because Twitch has been giving less of a shit about streamers and viewers and forcing dumb policy changes, and shoving ads down our throats

>> No.33751220

>>33751027
>Twitch has been making some very "Us First" policy decisions for a while and has also been continuing to be perplexing everybody with their moderation habits
And people are really under the impression that YouTube is a better alternative?

They've been doing that shit, and worse, for over a decade.

>> No.33751317

>>33750078
I'm watching hasan who's listening to it

>> No.33751392

>>33751035
She replied to the Truffle tweet on her own before that, but it makes sense that she'd want shit for her YouTube channel considering she has said she wants to stream there as well multiple times even before some of these Twitch changes. She wants to hit one million subs anon.
https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1572772988340035589

>> No.33751463

>>33750883
NTA but you're a retard, don't talk about soda's stream when you're not even going to provide timestamps. This is a vtuber board

>> No.33751466

Veisoda will ditch streaming in a year and live on their combined massive wealth

>> No.33751557

>>33751053
Some questions are reasonable. It's not very reasonable to sperg over them.

>> No.33751883

>>33751152
>It was a knee-jerk reaction that not many people were asking for
From what I understand there was actually a big push to have gambling banned by a lot of top streamers.

>> No.33752174

>>33751883
Yup, when Twitch made that post there was a lot of positive reception and "finally"s

>> No.33752751

>>33751883
The gambling ban has been an on again off again thing, which is typically pushed when there's other drama that certain creators want to distract from.
The big changes are the 50/50 split (compared to YouTube's across the board 70/30), the push for more ad minutes in partner contracts, and the gamification of ads for affiliates. That's what is becoming the problem.

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