The Japanese need to start learning Latin

[Anonymous No.]

So you think I'm retarded. Even I think so, to a certain extent.

But do you see how Japanese people struggle with English? The V-Tubers? That is entirely based on the fact they're learning fucking phrases and spoken English. You need to understand what an indirect object is, what a direct object is, what a genitive is, etc, to really understand English.
Latin, for all it's uselessness as a spoken or written language, at least beyond a scientific lingua franca outside of English, is the best way to learn European grammar.

Let me show you what I mean:
>Puer amabat vehere equo.
What does this sentence mean? Well, for a highly contextual Japanese speaker, it's going to blow their fucking mind:
>The boy loved (to ride) riding the horse.
How do I know this? Because every single world you see there tells where it falls in the sentence via it's ending.
>puer = subject
>nominative singular of boy -- this is the subject as marked by the nominative case
>amo = verb, specifically past tense
>third-person singular imperfect active indicative of amō (to love)
>vehere = 'to do x'
>present active infinitive of vehō, to ride/be transported
>equo = instrument of means
>ablative singular of equus, meaning horse
If I change any of those sounds at the ending of each word, the sentence changes meaning:
>Amabit vehere pueri equi
>The boy's horses will love riding

I think through understanding the case system it becomes a million times easier to understand English. Nobody needs to know how to speak or listen or even write Latin, but understand it's grammar is a major boon for anyone struggling with English. Once you understand Latin's grammar you understand why an English word's place matters. You understand every language much better. Because you're forced to learn autistic linguistics.
More than anything though it fucking forces them to stop trying to speak it and start trying to understand it.

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>>3308677
Everyone needs to learn latin, language of the Chad and the Based.

[Anonymous No.]

not reading this but no

[Anonymous No.]

Based but also take your meds

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>>3308733
would you rather they waste their formative years learning '''english''' that they can never reach even half fluency in?
it's far better that they learn a language which they can learn grammar from.

another way to think about it: just how word order can be messed with in japanese, so too latin.
learning latin in my teenage years has made learning japanese in my twenties a million times easier

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>>3308800
>would you rather they waste their formative years learning '''english'''
No, they should just speak Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>learning a dying language

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>>3308677
>Translates the imperfect as perfect
>Uses English word order in Latin instead of traditional SOV
>Uses the most basic bitch latin vocabulary possible

I'm happy you enjoyed your latin 1 class anon!

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>>3308821
that's dumb.
i don't think you can appreciate your own language until you learn how it isn't.

however i sympathize with the wasteful adoption of two vocabularies, one in your main tongue and another for an 'other' language. it's been proven this limits vocabulary in both languages. that's why i say latin should be taught, because vocabulary is not the goal or even expectation.

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>>3308867
>Translates the imperfect as perfect
no that would be
>had loved
dumbass.
past tense of love is loved.

>Uses English word order in Latin instead of traditional SOV
t. hasn't read cicero or caesar or celsus

[Anonymous No.]

my career is in conversational linguistics and business english and even I think you're a sperg for this. Duolingo isn't going to cut it, but it's crazy to think they have to learn Latin to get better at English. Let's start with the fact that English isn't a romance language.

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No they should learn chinese
> Shares kanji with japanese
> Word order same as English
> Not a dead useless language

It's the perfect bridge

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I'm really chomping at the bit to call you a tard, but I love any and all language learning streams and a Latin class with Coco or Noel would be amazing

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>>3308965
i mean... english is heavily influenced by latin, as well as french, another language influenced by latin.
the germanic influence is undeniably massive but you're retarded to pretend latin won't massively improve English abilities.
>Recent research done at Penn State by Amy Crosson and others suggests that learning Latin roots might be a really helpful bridge for some English language learners between their native language and English. Other researchers at Penn State have demonstrated that bilingualism can assist students with literacy and math.
https://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/latin.php

>Half of the English vocabulary and its grammatical structure are based on Latin. Those who study Latin can, based on their knowledge of roots and prefixes, guess at the meaning of new words. Many who master Latin score very highly on standardized tests.

so in other words you suck dick and are retarded

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^ oh look the faggot is angry

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>>3309062
undergrad-chan.... don't you have a soc 101 zoom call to study for?

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>>3309062
>waste your time learning another language to get better at English
>instead of spending that time to just get better at English

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>>3309103
>>3309134
there is no need to be upset

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>>3309141
learning grammar of a dead language isn't the same as learning a language though. studying latin is rarely about becoming conversational.

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What a stupid and roundabout way to learn a language. Fuck you OP

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>>3308677
Or just learn Italian

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>>3308677

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>>3309206
I need the thread dads...

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>>3309170
You still have to learn some Latin words to use Latin grammar, anon.
It's still wasting your time doing a retarded roundabout.

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Latin evolved into Spanish, Italian and Portuguese.

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>>3309231
Stay strong and spread her.

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>How do I know this? Because every single world you see there tells where it falls in the sentence via it's ending.

>it's
tard

>thinking word order matters in Latin
tard

You realize English nouns don't decline, right? why would this ever be helpful for saying thank you for the superchatto

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>>3308677
Latin is based, would love to see it get more mainstream.
Wait like a decade and you will have like 5% chance of trad-catholic vtuber if demographics are to go by so here is that.

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I believe that the United Nations should adopt Klingon as the global language for when aliens show up.

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>>3309304
>spanish
>evolution
spick one

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>>3309304
Devolved

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>>3308882
>>3309062
>however i sympathize with the wasteful adoption of two vocabularies, one in your main tongue and another for an 'other' language
>it's been proven this limits vocabulary in both languages
Then he posts sources which state-
>researchers at Penn State have demonstrated that bilingualism can assist students with literacy and math.
>Many who master Latin score very highly on standardized tests.
What did he mean by this?

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>>3309062
>Many who master Latin score very highly on standardized tests
>People with the time and resources to waste on a dead language score higher one standardized tests, which are anything but standardized
Do anon-chamas really

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>>3309304
You're forgetting at least 4 languages there.

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>>3308864
>dying

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>>3308677
Autistic linguistics? What does Aqua have to do with this?

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>>3312360
are you braindead

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>>3312360
People don't learn latin to speak it. A sizable amount don't even learn it to read and write it, at least unassisted.

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>>3308800
how is learning Latin going to help you learn Japanese? they're not even part of the same language family

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>>3313260
I assume its his retarded interpretation of how the brain changes the way it assimilates new languages after dealing with a second language. Personally I dont think the language choice matters that much, just learning another one helps.

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>>3308677
kinda reminds me how well constructed Latin-derived languages are

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>>3308864
You'll be dying soon too

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>>3308677
Nobody is learning your dead language bro, sorry

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>>3312850
>(You) say learning vocabulary in other languages bad
>sources (You) posted say that bilingualism good
Do I need to make the contradiction more obvious? And please show me how these 'master' level students didn't learn any vocabulary.
>>3312927
Someone with an A2 level of understanding still had to memorize vocabulary. Nothing in your post is relevant to mine.

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>>3312632
Other languages were influenced by Latin, but they're not direct descendants like those 3.

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>>3315990
>French
>Romanian and its Balkan dialects
>Catalan
>Romansh

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>>3308677
Wonder why no one panders to you beaners? You're like 60 percent of america and the media almost never throws you a bone. It's because you're a slave race. No one gives two shits about you and they never will. Now get back to work.

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>>3308677
No this is would be retarded waste of time. Get the book out of your asshole and ask the average native who's not an English major what's a gentitive and for most of them it'll go over their heads. Instead of spending 2 to 3 years learning the most useless language, why not go straight from Japanese to English? It's way faster and logical. But if you were to choose the braindead route, you'd be better off learning French since it's the roman language the most similar to English.

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>>3308677
Based

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>>3308983
Would you say that this applies for ENs who want to learn JP as well?

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babby from babby's first latin class in high school makes post to seem cool
what a mala mala

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>>3330343
It's basically why each language is more difficult for the other. The order of operations is different. Once you get that down, it's not as hard.

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>>3316330
French has been influenced too much by other languages , you can't call it a Latin language anymore. Spanish, Italian and Portuguese can understand each other, but not French. and the other 3 are barely spoken.

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>>3308677
the reason they dont learn english is the same reason why people don't learn japanese. because it takes a great deal of time, effort and motivation, which is way more than duolingo minigames ask of you. in the end, they have no incentive to learn more english than they need to bait overseas superchats, which isnt much english at all. which is why they'll never consider learning another language as an intermediary

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>>3309062

Anon I genuinely think you’re the funniest motherfucker on this board, well done.

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>>3312353
Somehow I know you're american.

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>>3308864
>dying
it'll outlive you by centuries

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>>3308677
you put a serious amount of effort and detail into this shitpost. commendable.

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>>3308677
no
>op right now pic related.

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>>3308677
I learned a love language but always wanted Latin thanks for the tips op

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>>3332041
Why are americans so fucking stupid like this? Italian is closer to french than to spanish btw

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>>3308677
Based in the truest sense of the word. That's a really interesting idea, even if it would never be implemented.

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>>3332041
>you can't call it a Latin language anymore.
Because it's a romantic language, muttoid.

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>>3308983
FAQ off zhang
You will never get HoloCN back

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OP, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why Japanese are the equivalent of unprocessed garbage at speaking English.

You see, they don't learn English conversationally, but rather grammatically. They are much better at written English than they are at speaking it. It's a slow process and their language limits their pronunciation. More importantly, there is a lack of reinforcement in language learning as a whole in Japan because it is large unneeded. So, between the lack of conversational reinforcement and their limited phonology, they're eft pretty much dead in the water until they stumble themselves into the world outside their world.

Under those circumstance I'd argue that they'd be much better off learning Spanish or any such similarly rigid language since they'll be able to at least pronounce words and learn grammar more efficiently.

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>>3338070
This, they simply lack many of the phonemes present in romantic languages in Japanese so obviously it's going to result in a greater learning curve. It's like trying to get a mutt to make a trilled R.

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>>3318040
>sees latin
>thinks it's about mexicans
do amerimutts really?

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>>3308677
just learn russian
it's the same gramatically just isn't useless and dead
japs also have cute accents when speaking it

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>>3338299
> russian
> isn't useless and dead
Srsly? There is no untranslated content in russian that could be even remotely interesting to non-native speakers. And if you can't hold a conversation in english with russian-speakers that means they are borderline retarded, because there is no excuse for them not to learn it at least on basic level, even if you learned russian, it wouldn't be worth it to speak to them anyway.

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>>3338404
the premise is already learning a language just for its grammatical structure
russian is more useful than latin

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>>3309304
It pretty much evolved into almost every modern European language though, barring Slavic (except Romanians).

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>>3308677
Where can I learn Latin?
Like, legit, classical Latin, not the ecclesial one.

[Anonymous No.]

If we're going to talk about easy to learn languages, why not recommend Esperanto?

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>>3338435
Romanians aren't slavs
Modern slavic languages are more similiar grammatically than romance langauges
spanish is like 10 generations of niggers trying to speak latin
>>3338452
duolingo has classical latin but thats a shit resource anyway and you shouldn't try to learn this meme language

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I’m a native English speaker and I don’t understand wtf you’re talking about with all these big-brained grammatical terms. This literally just proves that implicit knowledge trumps everything, you don’t need to understand how something works before you can use it, like riding a bike or learning to walk. Learning to draw is the same way, you can’t really teach somebody how to draw, it’s all implicit knowledge someone acquires through an iterative process of self correction and sheer volume of work. Art theory is just a cope for autistic trying to rationalize the old masters’ implicit knowledge of painting. The old masters didn’t study art theory books, they just compared their work to the older old masters, and so on and so forth. Advancements in art throughout the centuries have been produced through chance. Like mutations in natural selection, those ideas that were aesthetically pleasing survived and replicated. In was never an intellectual endeavor.

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>>3338735
Art and language ain't exactly the same thing though.

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>>3338786
I don’t care I just want to rant

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>>3308677
I feel dumb replying to this at all and dumber for my not that uninformed take in linguistics but

>That is entirely based on the fact they're learning fucking phrases and spoken English.
While true, they absolutely learn no grammar at all, it also has to do with the fact that many of those constructs are not available in the Japanese language at all.

>Latin, for all it's uselessness as a spoken or written language, at least beyond a scientific lingua franca outside of English, is the best way to learn European grammar.
While Latin may be the basis for all the constructs we see today, for the purpose of actually learning them you NEED to actually use the language in order to get any fluency. In that regard, Latin sadly lacks active speakers and, more critically, an agreed upon pronounciation.

Why do Japanese suck at english? 3 main reasons:
- they hated it as kids and never really need it as adults generally
- usually get taught by some Japanese dude who never went abroad, and also mostly written english
- Letter system vs. Syllable system, featuring good old "english pronounciation makes NO fucking sense" - just google GHOTI (fish)

How do we fix this?
Make them learn German or Spanish/Portuguese first. Most Japanese I went to University with struggled with English, not so much with German because at least the Vowels are the same. Spanish is quite friendly for syllables apparently and doesn't have many exceptions in pronounciation. Portuguese for whatever reason has tons of bilinguals speaking Japanese as well. All of these teach you european grammar. German in particular teaches you CASES which is the thing you somehow talked about in your OP without even mentioning them.

tl;dr: Latin would be a good starting point but is way less feasible than German or Spanish/Portuguese, also english is fucking retarded.

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You have identified part of the problem, but your solution is retarded, and it fails to take into account the full context of the problem. The reason Japanese people suck at English -- despite learning it for several years in middle school and high school -- is because their schools emphasize the grammar translation method. To learn any language properly, aside from learning the basic grammar, you need to be immersed in that language. You have to consume media in the language, and you have to communicate in that language. Part of this process will have you fucking up, a lot. In fact, you cannot learn a language at all if you are not willing to fuck up while communicating with other people.

Japanese English classes do not emphasize regular communication in English within the class between students. They also do not emphasize correct pronunciation despite the language they are coming from. They grow up thinking that this is how you learn a language, and so they are wholly unprepared to use it when they need it. Learning Latin would not fix this problem. It would just sucker them with a useless language that shares some grammatical constructs in common with English.

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So just learn the linguistic mechanics of English. It's what you have to do learning Japanese including nuanced aspects like understanding が puts emphasis on the subject where は is a topic marker it can also imply comparisons.

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>>3338735
The problem is a native doesn't understand why English works. Atleast most of the time. It's a mostly effortless exercise for you if you're an average American or the like.

But if you're Japanese? Or whatever else? Then you need to learn these concepts to efficiently learn English.
More than anything a Native understanding why English works, through studying Latin, often improves his language skills immensely.

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>>3338452
Might be 'too late'. Latin isn't a language in the usual sense of the term and is more a dissection and study. I personally found having a teacher to be a great part of the process. If such things aren't viable in your life right now it may not be a good choice.
But a textbook or the like might work. Use wikitionary for questions about conjugation and grammar -- following that use youtube videos or the like too.

Once you learn how to read latin, regardless of if you know all the words (have to use dictionary/wikitionary), it'll impact the way you think about the world and language in general.

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>>3348738
romance languages are so far removed from english that latin would be a waste of time. even german is so different that there's no real way around the struggle

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>>3348943
50% of grammar is from latin
we don't use cases but once you learn the case system you learn how to dissect european languages. compared to japanese where subject can be implied or you have things like "x suki da" it's incredibly relevant to european language. there's an incredible amount you take for granted as universal common sense when in reality it's a relic from latin or indo-european.

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>>3349088
english is almost nothing like latin though

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>>3349178
>though

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>>3349210
you forgot the 'jak silly anon

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>>3332041
Quebecois French is literally the closest language to actual Latin.

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>>3308677
They should learn Spanish instead. Vamanos a la playa para comer las putas de hololive.

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>>3349088
The grammar of english is from norwegian thats why it doesnt match west germanic language dialects
One might think its from french due to the syntax though.

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thats just too many hoops to jump through, how the fuck would they be motivated enough to learn some other shitty language to learn english, if they dont even put the minimum effort into learning enlgish in the first place?
opening duolingo now and then isn't enough, they need to consume english media.

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Once you learn Latin grammar all languages become easier to learn. No need to memorize all the declensions and specific endings, just learn what the accusative does, what the dative does, what the pluperfect plural subjunctive passive second person is.
Or the
>first-person singular future perfect active indicative
which would be
>I will have

Once you understand all the tenses and all the noun cases everything about language becomes easier. I will admit there are some difficulties since you can now over think and analyze language, but a fine concession.

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>>3308677
Meds, but the rrat poison kind.

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>>3352042
you and your oshi WILL learn latin

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>>3309141
>waste your time
Where I live we learn Latin in school (unless you're a faggot who chose French), no wasted time there.

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>>3352127
>chose French
shiggydiggy

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>>3352074
No!

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>>3332041
i wouldnt call over 30 million barely spoken

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>>3353423
compared to the other big languages that is not noteworthy
you can judge languages by landmass, usage and economic power. japan for example isn't used much outside of japan but has enormous economic power and is really the only language spoken in japan.

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>>3308677
>You need to understand what an indirect object is, what a direct object is, what a genitive is, etc, to really understand English.
Good thing japanese as a language is built around particles that explicitly signal what the subject, object and different lingustic complements of a sentence are. For some (o for object) its even the english mnemonic for it.
Japanese is one of the best languages to learn basic syntax.

Lets deconstruct your sentence, the boy loved to ride the horse, and see if its easier in japanese.
Lets say its basic components in english are. Boy(topic), to Love to [verb] (the whole composition), to ride (main verb) ,Horse(would be object, but not the case with japanese).
Simply just translating bit by bit to japanese, "shonen wa" explicitly signals the boy as the topic of the sentence, the verb, "noru" would go alone, except we need to add itn the construct "to love doing X", which would be "no ga suki", moved to past tense with ta or datta, therefore "no ga (dai)sukidatta". Riding on something is used as a sort of location in japanese, therefore "on a horse" is "uma ni", explicitly marked as a location, the goal of a direction.
The whole sentence, using proper ordering, is 'shonen wa uma ni noru no ga daisukidatta', which even if you only knew zero vocabulary and only knew what basic particles meant, you'd be able to almost flawlessly translate into english. It comes out as "boy loved to ride on a horse".
For a native japanese speaker shifting the sentence to "the boy the horse loved to ride" and then just translating word by word is much much easier than parsing it through latin first.

If your goal is language X, there's no reason to learn any other language before. You can simply just learn your intented language. Japanese traces directly from chinese and even borrows 70% of its letters and half its pronunciation for those letters from it, and you'd be insane to think you have to learn chinese before learning japanese.
Specifically with English, that has germanic roots and romance influence and not the other way around, you'd just be wasting (literally wasting, latin doesnt have any active, first language speakers) 2 to 10 years of your life.
The fact alone you had to explain latin sentence structure and translate each word back to english to explain why latin is good for learning english proves that latin is in fact terrible for learning english.
The grammar is completely different, english doesnt decline, thank christ, and the vocabulary roots are different most of the time. You wouldnt be able to get "boy" from "puer", or "horse" from "equus" without going to a much more complicated word like equitation. You'd sooner think it has to do with "equity" or "equality" than with horses, if you started learning english from scratch.

>for a highly contextual Japanese speaker
>Because every single world you see there tells where it falls in the sentence via it's ending.
Love these aswell, especially in the context of japanese where every word has to be handheld by a particle. You literally have to write every sentence like "Me [topic] - spoon [object] - to lick [verb ending]".
>You understand every language much better. Because you're forced to learn autistic linguistics.
You understand every language BECAUSE you're forced to learn autistic lingustics. You'll never learn latin if you dont know what an object is, its the same as japanese.
Japanese people inherently know the nuance between actor and topic or object and adverb because their language is built like that.
You could also just study basic grammar and do this with every language. "The dog licks a spoon" is easier to translate if you just do it like "Dog [subject] - does [auxiliar 3rd person] lick [verb present] - spoon [object]".

Do they really not teach you basic grammar and syntax in school? Its year 5 or 6 here.

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>>3355259
>Japanese traces directly from chinese
nice post but this is wrong.
>>3355259
>Do they really not teach you basic grammar and syntax in school? Its year 5 or 6 here.
complex topic with variance but in general even a nice public school will reserve topics like the study of this stuff to late highschool. i'll bet good money most people don't know what a direct object is or an indirect object.
it's just not important for americans to learn why english works. grammar is really a feeling for most americans.
from what i vaguely remember they touched on it in ap english but never really went into things like indirect objects or classifying the exact action state in terms such as first-person singular future perfect active

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>>3355989
>reserve topics like the study of this stuff to late highschool
do americans REALLY

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>>3308864
So... Japanese?

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> So you think I'm retarded. Even I think so, to a certain extent.

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>>3356164
it's about necessity.
do you teach japanese kids the difference between wa and ga? they just know it.
for your average english speaker there's no need to have a study of language. they learn basic grammar and move on.
most focus goes to advanced constructions of english, writing, business and formal writing styles, use of comma, vocabulary, writing compelling thoughts and understandings of english, etc.
it's a very inward focused curriculum. little focus is given to what English isn't.
frankly i dislike this but it's not that bad. america is a global leader speaking the lingua franca of diplomacy, business, science, and multiple major disciplines. there's not much need for an american to learn a second language or be prepared to learn one.

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>>3356302
honesty is worth a lot desu ne
i don't think latin is worth shit as a traditional language but it's a great tool for beating grammar into kids. while >>3355259 has some great points against this, they miss the verb conjugations such as here >>3351838 which the japanese could greatly benefit from understanding.

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>Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

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>>3356383
>i don't think latin is worth shit as a traditional language
cringe

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>>3356478
its true my friend. as much as i love it it was autistic even back in it's hayday. plebes spoke not like cicero. theres limited but nonetheless real proof that spoken latin was far less autistic than written and oratory latin.

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>>3356383
English barely conjugates any verbs, there's no reason to learn conjugation from latin if your goal is to speak english.
Actually there's no reason to lern latin for this either since you can just learn a modern language with conjugation, like spanish or italian. If your strict goal is to speak english latin is a waste of time, english doesnt come from latin so you're not learning any vocabulary and latin has conjugation, declination and genders and english doesnt so you're simply wasting your time with half the grammar.
Also learning latin is a hundred time more complicated than any other language because you're missing any real immersion and 80% of all major latin texts are written in pompous literary speech, which was never meant for common communcation. There are no native speakers, no latin media, no modern latin texts.
You're better off learning german or spanish and anyone would understand learning german when what you really want is to speak english is a useless middle step, a waste of time.

Just learn grammar. Its takes no time at all.

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>>3356696
>Also learning latin is a hundred time more complicated than any other language
see this is it. i know i'm retarded and i know you're right about a lot of this, atleast in this specific post of yours. nonetheless what you say right there is the point -- if you teach latin to the kids they can't fake it till they make it. atleast not like they can with english.
once the kids are forced to actually learn the grammar and not just phrases, because otherwise they'll fail latin, you'll see a massive gain in their ability to actually learn foreign languages.

technically speaking it could be things besides latin. this is true. but latin is unique in that it's bare minimum is very high since there is no spoken latin to learn. it is hard as a teacher to teach latin -- correctly -- without catering to basic impulses such as phrases or what not.
i think the kids are capable of this. i think latin could literally just be a single year or part of english class. i think they could even functionally ignore vocabulary and allow dictionaries during testing. but they NEED to understand more than fucking phrases.
as it is now they waste a massive portion of their life learning phrases to cater to foreigners, never learning to actually speak and listen. latin is a pipedream but as it's revival continues in the west it should be considered as a tool to help japan finally achieve English literacy they have failed to achieve for so long.

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https://twitter.com/latina_sama?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
how smart do you think this guy is?

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>>3357259
>knows english latin japanese
if he learns chinese he's officially the most autistic genius on earth

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>>3308677
>Exposing Japanese fujos to the classical era

STOP

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>>3357633
going by amazon reviews of latin books there is a group of japanese autistic retards such as myself who wish to push latin into young japanese minds

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>>3357786
I know that you believe your doing a good thing anon, but have you really considered the consequences? It's only a small step from studying Classical Latin to Ancient Greek. Do you really want a BL adaptation of the Iliad on your conscience?

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>>3308965
This. English is a dog's breakfast of many, many different languages. It has some relation to Latin, but not quite as much as to Gaelic or even Flemish for that matter.

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>>3357020
Just make morphosyntactic analysis part of the curriculum in schools. We learned grammar with trees like these, I swear they work.
>latin is unique in that it's bare minimum is very high since there is no spoken latin to learn
But there is spoken latin. We know how it sounds, we can speak latin. There's no media in latin so its hard to learn from an immersion perspective, your education will always be incomplete, and you'll be gimping your language education for years just to learn what amounts to two afternoons reading wikipedia articles on grammar and clicking on the links. Grammar is really not that complicated.
> latin could literally just be a single year or part of english class.
>latin is a pipedream but as it's revival continues in the west it should be considered as a tool to help japan finally achieve English literacy
Ok but why would you do this? Latin is a language. If you want to teach grammar just do that. Teach grammar for a year.
Latin is terrible to teach english. Any language is bad to teach any other language (if the first language would help with your intended language then your intented language will also help with the first language), but specifically latin for specifically english is worse than other options (like german) because english literally doesnt come from latin.
Latin will not help at all, in the slightest, with english, not more than just learning english would. This is like learning koine greek as a middle step towards italian.
There's simply no reason to do this, latin is useless except as a personal achievement, like esperanto or elvish.

Also and since this is a thread about teaching english to japanese people: japanese already has this. Japanese already has clearly marked objects and subjects and actors. Using latin to teach what an object is to someone that needs to identify the objects in this sentence just to read it in her mind is a completely useless process.
You literally need to know textbook grammar to speak japanese.

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>>3308677
Language fags need to Learn to Code. AI master race is the future. Your ancient vernacular based languages are already obsolete. This is Hololive after all, not irl live.

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>reverse weeb central
Incredible

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EVERYONE needs to learn latin or a lingua franca that nobody speaks primarily (so, not english).

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>>3308864
>dying
My nigger, are you implying that it is alive anywhere outside of the vatican?

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>>3358793
Toki Pona for the plebes
Ithkuil for the patricians

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>>3308800
>just how word order can be messed with in japanese, so too latin
Or, you know, in most other languages as well? German has this, French has this, Greek has this. You can even learn this from modern English as well, the problem is they aren't taught that, not that it doesn't exist. If they were to try teaching Latin in Japanese schools, the language would be taught the same way English is taught now an dnothing would change. Their problem isn't English (by itself, I mean, they obviously have more difficulty understanding it due to how dissimilar the languages are), it's their educational system.

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>>3349309
no

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>>3365052
NO

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>>3308707
based

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>>3377869
based

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>>3308677
lol