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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *>41,806: Subaru (Hololive)>32,344: Pekora (Hololive)>32,232: Gura (Hololive)>30,070: Korone (Hololive)>29,828: Lily Linglan (The Box)>28,990: Fuwa (Nijisanji)>26,625: Miko (Hololive)>19,759: Okayu (Hololive)>19,095: Salome (Nijisanji)>17,831: Polka (Hololive)>17,481: Kanae (Nijisanji)>17,257: Salome (Nijisanji)>15,342: Lamy (Hololive)>14,903: Met (774 Inc.)>14,577: Luna (Hololive)>14,349: Watame (Hololive)>14,079: Kanata (Hololive)>14,069: GatchmanV (indie)>12,212: Nene (Hololive)>11,995: Koyori (Hololive)>11,939: Kanae (Nijisanji)>11,145: Koyori (Hololive)>10,861: Bae (Hololive)>10,720: Chloe (Hololive)>10,278: Luca (Nijisanji)>10,033: Haachama (Hololive)
Gura will never get another true gold...
>>32980575Hey man
Anybody have a list of proof of EN3's existence from Cover staff/sources or the talents themselves?
>>32980444She idolized her Pekora-senpai
>>32980613graduation
>>32980604>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros.7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live8) Botan (Hololive) - 88,981* - 3D birthday stream w/NePoLaBo9) Miko (Hololive) - 39,905 - HoloCure new update10) Marine (Hololive) - 50,041 - HoloCure new update11) Subaru (Hololive) - 41,806* - Persona 4 Golden>PER COMPANY10x: Hololive1x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER2x: Ayame, Marine, Pekora1x: Botan, Fuwa, Miko, Sora, Subaru>2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY160x: Hololive84x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte3x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER31x: Pekora16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome15x: Miko10x: Subaru9x: Nijisanji8x: Marine6x: Hal, Hololive5x: Kanata, Mio, Toya4x: Flare, Fuwa, Gura, Noel, Okayu, Suisei, Towa3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Polka2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
>>32980647
>Rye got kicked out of EN3 due to one of her fans posting her discord posts>ryeschizo posting them here was the reason why she got kicked out of en3Imagine if your retardation was the cause of your oshi losing her big break
>>32980709
>>32980655holy fuck imagine the incline when all the clip compilation come up and the girl start crying togheter
>>32980671Nijisanji will win the month, just trust the plan.
>>32980798nijisis...Vox is graduating...
>>32980709i imagine if she was even in EN3 and this actually happened there'd be a very public menhera breakdown since it'd be a random retard who did it here.
>>32980671Why does Botan/Subaru have an asterisk?
>>32980939z peaks
>>32980939Z
The "ryeschizo got Rye kicked out of EN3" rrat is retarded. Yagoo would never let anything get in the way of him saving some broken girl. And if she's not broken? She was never getting in.
>>32980864Stop going on about EN3. Everyone with a brain knows that it'll never happen. We're right in the middle of Myths second anniversary and NOBODY has said a word about a new gen.
>>32980996nice, thanks anon
>>32980996>Become my underling and gain numbers.
Tempus was a mistake
>>32980956>>32980962Why not just put the non-Z peak?
>>32981094because that's how it was recorded in the daily tally
>>32980974No one will say anything until they do the teaser. No one said anything about IRyS, EN2 or Tempus until then. Or even JP7. Only the Indogs leaked ID3 because Ollie is Ollie.
>>32980798Ah, the cynicism of numbers.
>NijiEN offcollab with Uki, Shu, Petra, and Elira 30k easy
>>32981094Tally anon is a retard that counts the KON KON from Fuwa.
Why can't EN celebrate 9/11? It would bring so much numbers for them... also look at this retard's chat lmaohttps://youtu.be/4qGd-KX8JmQ
>>32981247>le reclining branch>30kroru roru
>>32981247I have no idea why this'd be a 30k affair unless its like, a group karaoke or something.Even the 4 luxiem offcollabs didn't yield that great numbers, and they had first time buffs+ happened at a time when Luxiem was in their peak.Shu alone cannot carry a collab to 30k. The others would not even get 10k together.
>>32981326>>32981407>forgetting about the secret weapon that only appears in off collabshas it been so long that anons have forgotten the mountains.
>>32980966>fauna
>>32981320This is just some nigger that streams in his underwear?
>>32981494Mandato Celestial: Aspecto de la Montaña
>>32981247Shu is finally gonna fuck Elira
>>32980974Why would they say or even hint that EN3 was happening soon? That's what the twitter and YT channel are for.
>>32980974Why would they say anything? They might do a HoloX style reveal and just drop them
IRyS is announcing EN3 tonight in her stream. Please watch, she needs the numbers.
So do we know what is Kiara's announcement??
>>32980974
>>32981803I thought it was Sonny who wanted to fuck Elira?
>>32980996>Come home, peko
>>32981997Merch.
>>32981997She will be the head of a gen. Like Fubuki is for Gamers
>>32981984That would still be a sub 10k stream.
>>32981724>Mandate of Heaven>HuangShang mountains>Not in ChineseONE JOB
>>32981997She will finally marry with Reine.
I don't understand why EN3 hasn't been announced yet, do they really need to space it out this much because of Tempus?
>>32981904Did you miss the cryptic bs for tempura? Or council cube&orb? EN is run different (read as worse)
>>32980996>LIVE
EN3 October.
>>32982201Something went wrong with the first 9-month long audition process and they had to reset the entire thing. Chances are they didn't get enough applicants to even put a gen together.
>>32982235That's not saying anything though, they didn't actually say anything until the actual PV revealed Councils designs.
>>32982296No, if anything one of the selected talents was killed.
>>32982296Only 4people applied?
>>32982397yeah, by me
>>32982235Why do you think they would repeat the same thing? They might just dona normal ass announcement
>>32982401Shit this thing looks kino as fuck, I hope they finish it.
>>32980266extra secure.
>>329809963 9 7, anontachi!!!
>>32981997Merch, a new original song or both (most likely)
>>32981997She is pregnant with Reine child
hot mic with actual leaks on Kiara stream
>>32982201Yes. Tempus audience is still mostly Holo EN watchers, debuting a new mainline Gen on top of Tempus would be quite a problem for them. That's why everyone thinks October at the earliest, it's a sufficient amount of space for them to solidify a fanbase.
>>32982235Yeah that was like 2 weeks prior, not months, and not leaked by the talents. When they do the teasers you'll know they're teasers.
>>32982043>>32982515no individual merch this anniversary
you know, anons say that certain vtubers that collab with men (kronii and ami) are losing viewership/fans because of it. how are their current numbers compared to what they have in their PLs? because if they regress back to their old viewer amount that they had, would it really affect them to stop doing collabs and go back to their gosling unicorns? i just think it might be a good comparison.
>>32981997No. That’s why it’s an announcement.
>>32981984>EN3dyrbi? i doubt they're going to announce a new gen this year.
>>32982706>pl
>>32982486Can't hack my sticky note that I hid under my desk
hypothetically what if they spent all the time looking for the homos and only just recently started screening for EN3, they aren't that dumb r-right?
>>32982706They were 2 and 3 views so no, that's a stupid metric that will never be relevant.
god i love this GFE corpo. you just can't hate them kekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7sZpUeUdNo&feature=youtu.be
>>32982800No, stars has different staff tah controls what they do
>>32982706neck yourself
>>32982706>PLswrong thread buffoon
I hope EN3 btfo Tempus and they see that Homos were a bad idea and terminate the branch.
>>32982800No, they aren't. It's spaced out because they don't want to debut two same branch Gens on top of each other, but you ADHD spazes are gonna pointlessly worry about it right up until debut regardless.
>>32982954EN3 would flop even harder than Council if it happened.
>>32982800I don't think anyone can be that dumb. But then again it is EN management we talking about. They might be that dumb.
>>32982890I don't hate them I just don't care. There are just too many 2view EN corpos nowadays, get some Pippa numbers and we'll talk.
>>32982954nah even if en3 are 5 pekoras and tempus goes to 2view territory they wont terminate that branch. if you really hate that branch the only way to make them disappear is to do a mito/aloe to them.
>>32982998>3>flop
>>32982954No shit EN3 is going to get more numbers, are you retarded?
>>32982998Anon, nothing Hololive cando will flop harder than Council.
>>32982998they just need people with real talents/hobbies that can translate into content to surpass council
>>32982954Yeah that would be totally amazing and unexpected if EN3 got more than 40k debuts and 4k CCV average. Real black swan event there. Would absolutely and definitively prove than Tempus was bad.
>>32982954It's too late anon. Tempus by Holostar standard is a definite success. Hololive really got nothing to do with it.No matter how much you bitch will change that.
>>32983196I hope they recline to the point where they become 2views and it causes them to go menhera and yab into graduation.
>>32982954Yahoo would rather die than terminate tempus
>>32983276if you hate them so much why dont you do what japs do and aloe/mito them?
>>32983328he's all talk and no balls. all he can do is seethe here
Kiara announcing EN3 at the end of her stream
>>32982201Don't want the celebrations to overlap next year, just wait for October
I actually kind of feel bad for Kiara. These numbers are sad.
>>32983354which is even more sad especially when their hard doxx info has already been leaked in the regular place
>>32983434how far she dropped after the collab?
>>32982954They will BTFO tempus in debut sub numbers alone
>>32983328Because you would get shot or hauled off to jail by the cops. Stalking isn't nearly as much of a free action as it is in Japan.
>>32983370That's not enough to save her debuff challenge.Kiara will instead give out early access EN3 debuts in her 12 hour marathon. It worked last time. EN3 will still debut later but before they debut Kiara will have collabed with them on her stream.
>>32983473
>>32983477Because there is no cull it's quite possible they will pass Sana within like a month.
>>32983495>Because you would get shot or hauled off to jail by the copsonly if you are retarded
Another day on the job for Peko
>>32983559Why are you assuming that it'll even happen?
>>32983532I know it's due to her choices, but that's pretty sad to see.
>>32983632Toilet water shaman is too strong.
>>32983632what was the eta for salome again? last week of september?
>>32983532interesting, fun fact Kronii retwitted kiara's stream after the first hour, I think that's the increase you see
>>32983597>stalking a vtuber because you hate that they might collab with your virtual anime girlfriend>not being retarded as a default state of existence
>>32982954The boys are fine. It's the girls thristing for the D on stream who are the problem. Act like a lady get treated like a lady. A lady can interact with men. But if the girl is horny and having the time of her life it will be ill received by the fans.
>>32983607How is she so powerful?
>>32983740>stalking themsee thats where you are being retarded since there are a ton of other ways
>>32983782Kill yourself homobeggar.
>>32983653Fauna's was definitely better in terms of numberfagging, it even had the debuff stuff at the start to allow it to build momentum.
>>32983716Salome at 1.62M. Not sure what her weekly growth is right now though.
>>32983632>Alexa, play Unravel
>>32983875i remember some anon posting it some weeks ago and it ground to a crawl same with vox
>>32983837Fauna's just more popular. Kiara can't match her no matter what sort of things she scheduled unless she got Pekora to be in the first 6 hours of her stream and Gura to be in the last 6.
>>32983976fauna only seems popular because she spams buff shit every time she streams.
>People unironically comparing potential EN3 to HolostarEN numbersYou guys aren't that dumb, are you? We had this talk with HoloID3 before. Just by comparing them in the first place mean you putting them in the same pedestal as the rest. Have HolostarEN really shook some of you this hard?
>>32983837Really wonder if it was all a coincidence (considering Spore/Getting Over It/Skyrim WAS stuff she did earlier compared to later in her first year) or if she actually just numberfagged while putting this together. It's always like this with Fauna, I swear. She does some things that feel incredibly numberfaggy but then does retarded shit that goes against it at times too
>>32983978Anyone know that site that shows sub growth for all vtubers including Nijis, twitch vtubers and shit like that?
>>32983653thats honestly all on her but there is still hope since even bae got her shit together and made a comeback.honestly the first thing she should change is the pitch of her voice.
>>32984021Fauna only does that half of the time, it's Mumei and IRyS who spam buff shit.
>>32984075Yes, I know the site you are talking about.
>>32984021>fauna only seems popular because she spams buff shit every time she streams.Can you tell me, in good conscience, that Kiara would bring these numbers if she played this?
>>32984024A new HoloEN gen would be lucky to get Tempus numbers at this point. The HoloEN audience has shrunk down to almost nothing over the last 12 months. Gura barely managed to get more than 30k CCV on her channel with her gigabuff gameshow thing.
>>32984021That's how you get popular, you get people to watch you consistently. Kiara is the opposite. Unpopular streams over a long period of time, acclimating people to the habit of not ever watching her.
EN3 will perform worse than Tempus. Screencap this post.
>>32984154DYRBI?
>>32983883>>32983632https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hRYCpm8wQ
>>32984021>fauna only seems popular because she spams buff shitthats how you get popular though as long as you dont spam that shit too much to the point it loses its buff.
>>32984134This was also overlapped with Rust
>>32984154I wish you would get rangebanned. You contribute nothing to this thread. All your comments are stupid filler and barely even get responses anymore.
>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros Ultimate7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live8) Botan (Hololive) - 81.036 - Birthday 3D stream9) Miko (Hololive) - 39.905 - Holocure10) Marine (Hololive) - 50.041 - Holocure11) Subaru (Hololive) - 36.779 - Persona 4 Golden>PER COMPANY10x: Hololive1x Nijisanji>PER STREAMER2x: Ayame, Marine, Pekora1x: Botan, Fuwa, Miko, Sora, Subaru>2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY161x: Hololive83x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte3x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER32x: Pekora16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome15x: Miko10x: Subaru9x:Nijisanji8x: Marine6x: Hal, Hololive5x: Kanata, Mio, Toya4x: Flare, Gura, Noel, Okayu, Suisei, Towa3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Polka2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
It's amazing how some people will spend hours upon hours in this thread spewing bullshit that they know no one believes and that they don't believe themself. It makes you wonder what else they got going for them.
>>32984222Yes. The HoloENbox has been proven to be 30k at most several times now. imagine what that 30k would look like if it was shared between 15 members instead of just 10.
>>32984274It was IRyS so it doesn't count
>>32983722Vesper stream also ended exactly around that time as well. I don't know about this stream, but last time he streamed he name dropped Kiara as one of the potential stream his viewers could watch after Vesper ended his.And begged his chat to not name drop his name if they do decide to go over Kiara stream, and went on about how there's rules and it's really disrespectful to name vtubers in other people chats.
>kiaras obs also had problems prior to the streamweird there has been an increase of this since the beginning of the month.
>>32980709Wait, this rye image is a little sussy
>>32984360I'm honestly impressed by the EN3 bait guy. He has spammed that shit every single thread for so long, despite no one else believing it.
>>32984024nijisisters can't into numbers pls andastd
>>32984154This got to be one of the most obvious false flag I've ever seen in this board. Either that or a Niji in disguise.
>Kiara just announced her graduation
>>32984423Probably a new OBS update fucking people's preset stuff up.
>>32984423OBS is a piece of shit
>>32984536I can't believe she called Mori like that in stream.
>>32984536If only.
>>32984536She literally just said she wanted people to be around for her third and fourth anniversary as well.
This was a shitty karaoke too, she was clearly tired. I don't get how Fauna managed to do it for a full hour and Kiara only sang 4 songs
>>32984538its strange that its affecting even vtubers outside hololive though since i thought the obs you use is specific for the company.
>>32984530>>32984317Why holobronies hate hearing the truth in their hugbox?
>>32984606>giving a serious response to bait that obviousNo wonder this thread is so shit.
>>32984699What no? OBS is just the streaming program pretty much everyone uses now a days. Are you thinking about the Cover program for L2D models?
>>32984818ah my bad maybe youtube changed something that affected it?
You have to sacrifice either Gura, Fauna, Mumei, Ina, or Irys to the be the girlfriend of a Tempus member and initiate the final yab that shuts down StarsEN and ensures no English speaking male ever joins HoloProEN. Who are you sacrificing?https://poal.me/j5hf5b
You should have cried Kiara, it would have boosted your numbers and generated clips.
>Kiara just announced a collab by KFC
Kiara is trying hard so she would like you to give her another shot even if previously you thought "this batch sucks!"Also holotalk next Sunday if no delay. This month for sure
https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/xbilrj/mumei_gets_to_visit_a_planes_cockpit/kek someone actually posted this there
>>32984985She should have started speaking on tongues and reciting from the necronomicon for the clips
>>32985029Huh only locked and not deleted. That's suprising.
>>32985156i checked on new r*ddit, it says it was deleted by mods kek
>kiara requested to have the same hairstyle as pekora
>3 & 4 year member icons.>HoloTalk coming back soon>New hairstyles in the work.>German channel debut tomorrow.
>Kiara German channelHOLOEU ISRAEL
>>32985156Well, the controls loo like joysticks.
HoloEU
Kiara... am frog?
She's a frog.
>>32985156I think the automod locks posts if they receive enough reportsSo probably Junsgang in action
>Kiara Pepe costumeits over...
>>32985337Kind of weak...
Her Frog
Frog Kiwawa L2D ( i think?)
New Song
>Kiara has to wait until 2023 for new accessories and hairstyle despite asking for the before the anniversary>meanwhile Gen 5 gets spammed with accessories and stuff
>>32982800>YOUR WISH HAS BEEN HEARD
>Kiara German debut>Amelia Spanish debut>Ina Finnish debut>Mori Italian debut>Gura Portuguese debutcalling some of the announcements now
>>32985519Well, it's her saying she'll be here for at least two more years. I guess that's big for her fans.
>>32985649First 3D MV
>New german song with 3d music video with ramstein
I was just thinking for a moment, but this offcollab for NijiEN could literally not come at a worse time. Vox is on break, Mysta is burnt out and taking things in stride and the days are full of Iluna shitters taking up all the slots. Being down 5 streamers and one being a Luxiem streamer when there’s practically zero output going on is such a detriment. And the kicker? It’s a bunch of women, so the odds of even getting a lot of tourism is basically nil
>>32985649DY(RBI)
>>32985747>First 3D MVAs if that is a good thing, well, maybe it's not shitty like Mori's
>>32985708>Gura Portuguese debutBig if true
>>32985710I think everyone assumes by default that everyone will be around for 2 years. Especially someone with pretty much nothing else going on for them except vtubing.
>>32985708Esperanto chuuba onegai...
>>32985662EN should work harder if they want to be treated like hte main branch.
>>32985771They have tons of people, they an cover most timeslots with whatever. Soon they'll have 40 people and having like a quarter of them on break at any given time will actually be beneficial overall.
>>32983610why are you so afraid?
>>32985831Eww no.
>>32985708>Ina Finnish debutCover pleas no...
>>32985708>Mori italian debutporcoddio (damn)
>>32985896Except their fans give zero fucks about 2/3rds of them. And Alban is about to go on break too.
>>32985771Maybe Iluna will learn to stream in the meanwhile
>>32985840HoloX gets the royal treatment despite 3 out of 5 of them being lazy fucks.
>>32985896His point was that the timeslots are being cover by a bunch of shitters who can't consistently break 3k and it won't be beneficial because these people are on break for a collab that miiiight not even break 15k
>>32986091I don't really care about gen5 or myth but holox treatment is a bunch of bullshit
>>32986108so the niji mindshare become "is not even worth check the stream because there are only shitters?"
>>32985391dead market
Does anyone have the total members for each of the 4 guys on their memebership debut streams? Also does all iLuna have their memberships open now?
>>32985708>Gura>not Swedish debut
>>32986199It's the same problem with JP. There are too many people for anyone to "watch streams from everyone". They'll only follow one person or a small group.
>>32986320go back
>>32986310Hololyzer got them. Vesper got the most by far.
>>32986310Iluna had their memberships open for a while now.
>>32986310Noir 2411+263Magni 1325+30 (+182 small announcement stream)Regis 1076+237Axel 1023+243
gura killer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae92qTZixVY
>>32986310>>32964997
>>32986461is Noir really this standout popular from the rest of his gen?
>>32986477What will you do if it underperforms?
>>32986485kys crossposter
>>32986477Anon I beg of you please delete this before holoEN management sees it and fires lil sharky
>>32986507he probably cut into the best segment of the untapped viewership, 30s nerds in full nostalgia trip that now have found someone relatable
>>32986461Is this the power of a man willing to buy a $3500 cube of tungsten for a stream gag?
>>32986605for what purpose
>>32986605Still annoyed his chat didn't make him do it.
>>32986605Reminder that his fanbase of 30 year olds are cheapskates and didn't make him buy it.
>>32986605The power of a man who found his niche. And coincidentally or not, that niche has money to spare
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>>32986648https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJI5u2DJsAIonly thing you can do with a solid block of tungsten, really.
>>32986648To have the sickest paperweight.
>>32986675What does it mean?
>>32986675Only briefly broswed that subreddit. Does lsf still shit on vtubers to be edgy and oh so witty?
>>32986747Hologirls are too strong and dominate Reddit.
>>32986769yes. holo is big in leddit so you wont see it much
>>32986477Gonna be funny to compare the VOD views. Gura will crush the Luxiem one in that department.
Dead numbers.
>>32986926>vodcope
Divegrass groups ended.Nenechi is too strong, she singlehandedly threw /lig/ out of the league.
>>32986934ars my beloved
nahone
>>32986961VOD is a bullshit metric when used in the way that a lot of people use it, but I do think it's retarded to say that VOD, as a metric, has NO VALUE. I think it has value.It's just. The people who try and use VOD views as a metric in this thread, historically, have been absolute fucking retards about it in a number of ways, and extrapolate it to absurd levels, instead of doing something smart, like acknowledging the shortcomings of VOD views and limiting the scope of analysis to reflect that.
What kind of numbers would someone in Hololive/Niji get if they were this audaciously parasocial as a business strategy
>>32987053That's a fair take
>laplus is actually down to sub 10k subs per monthjesus
>>32986961I find it funny how you fags pretend EVERY metric isn't a piece of shit that shouldn't be followed because youtube is the most dysfunctional piece of shit where the numbers are literally never accurate
>>32987173holy fuck, even my indie oshi has more than that
>>32987219>indie oshi growing at a pace of 10,000 subscribers a monthfucking WHERE
>>32987053>acknowledging the shortcomings of VOD views and limiting the scope of analysis to reflect thatYou're seriously asking people to do this in a thread that won't even do that for peak CCV, the one metric that is glorified over all else and can never be criticized?
>>32987261On twitch, obviously.Wait, I thought you meant members. Fuck.
Jschlatt gonna hit 30k
>>32987053total watch time would be by far the best metric because it shows the amount of retention from viewers
>>32987261You wouldn't know her. She streams in Canada
>>32987173actually mel tier now
>>32987167Low. GFE/parasocial vtubers weird out a lot of people, but the followers they did have would be very loyal.
>>32987303Outside of shitposters, which, no duh, will always exist unless moderation suddenly becomes perfectly capable of discerning between "funny shitposts" and "retarded shitposts" and bans the later, I'm fairly confident in saying that people tend to treat CCV well here in terms of judgement.I mean, there's the retards who will say "If you aren't a 5view, you're a failure," but most people seem to get that, as long as you're hitting 4view status, you're doing fine enough.
>>32987167low ccv but sc would be through the roof
>>32987368It would be a great metric, if it existed in a public-facing way.If.
>>32987167Rushia was 10k-15k range but with monstrous SC earnings
What do you guys call this?
>>32987484Honestly, the fact that she was able to pull 5view numbers on that kind of content was really proof of how absurdly OP Sankisei as a whole was, even before the current "PekoMarine CCV Domination" arc.
>>32987368Yeah all the good metrics are hidden by youtube because fuck you that's why.
>>32987527the "la creativad and male collabs dont affect vtubers"
>>32987527WHAT SHE FUCKING DESERVES
>>32987527Improving yourself
>>32987527Grim
>>32987527I would call it "What she wanted," but I would be unable to give you a good answer as to WHY she wanted that.
>>32987527
>>32987527Why limit the post?Let's see all of it.
>>32987539Thats because she just sprinkled enough stuff to make it seem like she wasnt going in full gfe. If she actuall did go all in with the gfe experience i honestly think that she would have gotten lower view numbers but double the sc earnings.
>>32987410I think it could be done honestly without being cringe (and the kawaii girls already do it that way) but you're right that it would still be niche.
>>32987635at least order it by a metric other than sub numberalso why do you have the "friends" enabled
>>32987635>Literally the only channels doing worse than Ame are Coco and Rushiaholy fucking grim
>>32987632>even Choco sub got moreOkay this must be because of chumbuds unsubbing from here after the RUST drama and the growth not offsetting it. No other explanation.
>>32987703Both of those things are the way they are because I went with "default."
>>32987716How fucking new?
>>32987539That wasn't all her content. Don't forget the other thing people know Rushia for, the screaming gamer rage. That drew in enough of a non-gfe audience to pump up her numbers. Watching her play Mario Maker while raging was great.
>>32987527>>32987632>>32987635I guess people improved themselves and didnt want to sub to her anymore
>>32987716In reality it's probably just a funny quirk of the 10k rollover feature. She probably started the month at like 1,691,000 subs while Ina and Kiara started at 1,465,000/1,405,000.
>>32987527>>32987635I know the OP was intended to be a post looking down on Ame, and obviously she could do more to improve regardless, but anyone who's been following this thread for a while knows there's sub purges going on right now. Take Marine as an example. Marine was at 2.13m, tied with Mori, and then lost it TWICE and took multiple days just to finally make it back. Marine was at around 130-150k subs last month, and is down to 50k because of the eventual drop off PLUS the purges reverting any gain she's getting. It's the same as to why Gura right now is sitting at 30k subs/month. Yes it's the time off, but this happened earlier this year too when sub purges were being confirmed by actual talents in the company. I don't really understand the logic behind some of these anons. The members literally confirmed subs are being hit. So why try to put down someone who can't eclipse the mark because the sub count keeps decreasing before it reaches it?
holox looks fucking whack
>>32987907To no one's surprise, this thread is full of dramasisters.
>>32987944>Lui outgrowing 3 of her genmatesNever thought we'd see that. She's even gonna pass Iroha soon.
>>32987907Does this really makes it better? Ok so so everyone in Holo is getting shit, relative to the entire company though she's still doing worse than everyone else.If she were getting hit harder than everyone else then you might have a point. But sub cull or no cull she's doing worse than everyone else
>>32987944obligatory cope comparison
>>32987907You are correct about the sub purges but it's still pretty notable that Ame's growth is unable to make at least a little headway. It's an indication of some sort of problem. Shitposters would say male collabs but I would pin it on her strange schedules lately.
>>32988041IRyS...
>>32987907Assuming they weren't just shitposting, which they were, Ame being the lowest when everyone else is also being culled still reflects badly on her, no?
>>32988041>sans still getting subslel
>>32988041Kronii could take a 3 month hiatus and still get more subs a day than IRyS
>>32986382it dependssome 3views have done long streams through morning and neet hours and they sometimes incline up towards 1k
>>32988080Feels wrong to unsub from her. Coco I had no problem with.
>>32987907You're right in that the sub purges are a real thing, but it is still a notable thing, relative to the rest of the members who are receiving the same effects.To be fair here, I only said that she wanted to push people away, which, that's not shitposting, she's said as much, she has fully and openly spoken about how she expects to push people away as she continues to stream in Hololive.I can't explain WHY that is, or why she would insist on it, but it's reflective of her current status.
Oh Mio started. Finally some non midget numbers.
How do we save HoloEN?
>>32988017she's actually slowing down a lot because she got super boosted by like 5 different collabs and that boost sort of endedstill gonna pass iroha, but the gap between her and koyori has only gotten larger, it recently grew over 100k
Marine > Calli when
>>32988127That could just be them hitting a better time for their fans native to that timezone. Of course there are some people who will watch literally anything from the branch but the pool seems to be very small in Niji EN, and segregated by gender.
>>32988160>that show of dominanceman holojp is just on a different league
>>32988160asamio feels a bit weaker recently
>>32988171I wouldn't expect for her to gain on Koyori who is inclining like crazy. The only thing that's gonna stop pink dog is her health or mental state breaking down from her schedule and lifestyle. But gaining on the rest of them is something we didn't expect when she was the very clear runt since debut.
>>32987907And why isn't this "sub purge" happening to NijiEN? Enna is growing at a massive rate of 2k subs a day, that would mean 60k subs a month, higher than Gura.
>>32988033>>32988077When you're above 1 million, youtube only counts subs in increments of 10k. There's a legitimate possibility she's on the cusp of that 10k but the purge is pushing her away from it, which in turn gives her the triple 0. If she hit 10k and remained above it, there's not much of a difference than what some big names in the company are getting.So for reference right, lets SAY she's on that cusp of 10k. Subaru, who's getting 30-40k every day and is basically on top of the world, is currently getting 20k subs a month. Watame is sporting a 10k/month and Botan also has 20k/month also.Likewise, Lamy's sporting 10k/month despite having only 3 streams in the past month below 10k ccv.Like I get it, knocking on Ame is the "in" right now and it's fair given how she's approached streaming. But going for subs right now is just silly because it's in such an awkward state for the entirety of Holo sans Kobo, and even she dropped off immensely, going from 340k subs a month down to 150-170k.
>>32988279she's going to hit 5m before gura?
>>32988199HoloJP and the heaviest of NijiJP are quite literally fighting a different battle than the entire rest of the Vtubing industry.You have four tiers:>The Major League (top tier HoloJP, NijiJP)>The Minor League (most HoloJP, some NijiJP, Gura)>The College League (HoloEN, HoloID's top tiers, NijiEN's top and mid tiers)>The High School League (NijiEN's bottom tiers, HoloID's non-top tiers, Tempus)And everything under that (Indies, mostly) is the "Little League."
>>32987944>>32988041koyori's gonna be the first of the 2 groups to hit 100M views, i expected it would be laplus for the longest time
>>32988279Right on Sis, Enna will growth has the limitlessness perk and it will overtake all of HoloEN.
>>32980541I beg you, remove Playboard, it's cause more autism than anything else
>>32988344>NijiJP as a whole in Major League>SOME NijiJP in Minor League>No NijiJP in College league or High SchoolThis is the most delusional shit I've ever seen
>>32988344>The High School League (NijiEN's bottom tiers, HoloID's non-top tiers, Tempus)>And everything under that (Indies, mostly) is the "Little League."Anon, recent event have shown that the NijiEN bottom tiers should be in the Little League.
>>32988279
>>32988412I should have been more clear. For Major League, I was saying "The Top-Tiers of HoloJP and NijiJP," I can see how I fucked the wording on that up.
>>32988453wait did kaela just pass enna?
>>32988412NTA that anon but when he says >top tier HoloJP, NijiJPhe's saying that only the top tiers of each company are in the major leagues.
>>32988453KAELA INFINITE GROWTH BABY
>>32988344There's literally 2 people in NijiJP that are Holo-tier. Kuzuha and Salome. Everyone else is low-tier Holos at their very best and the vast majority are significantly worse.
>>32988417Aia is a special case, for now.
>>32988553Hey now, there's still, you know, the loli-lover and shit. They have some big hitters.
>>32988453the strongest kronie
>>32988344Let me『Fix』this delusion of yours>The Major League (top tier HoloJP, Kuzuha, Chinman, Buffed Fuwa, Buffed Salome)>The Minor League (most HoloJP, some NijiJP, Gura, Mandate of Heaven NijiEN)>The College League (HoloEN, HoloID's top tiers, NijiEN's top and mid tiers,NijiJP mid tiers)>The High School League (NijiEN's mid tiers, HoloID's non-top tiers, Tempus)>Little League (Pippa, Bottom Tier NijiEN. Bottom Tier NijiJP)
>>32988553toya? also people like fuwa still can have strong pull sometimes
>>32988344>>32988481>No Nijijp in the college league or even in high school league>when some of them get even lower numbers than HoloEN or NijiEN>When some of them are in the high and low 3view rangeAnon pls your last samurai is showing
>>32988586It's pretty much just those 3 that can compete with the top holos.
>>32987907Unironically holo has a lot of dead subs back during the heights of the pandemicWesterners are a lot more free with their subs
>>32988557And Scarle and Reimu and Aster?
>>32988634>Mandate of Heaven NijiENevery fucking time kek
>>32988637Fuwa is honestly around Gura's level, and Salome might be trending down there as well.
>>32988653>Gura above SalomeGRIM
>>32988653flare wtf
>>32988638Listen, man, I'm going to be real with you, I didn't list the rest of NijiJP because I literally don't even know most of them exist.I know King, I know Salome, I know Oliver, I know Mito, I know Hoshikawa, I know Fuwa, I know the Devil man exists, I think the muscle man is a Niji, and I know Ars Amal solely because of people wanting to rape her.I didn't list them because I genuinely forget that they exist.To be fair, this guy >>32988634 seems pretty accurate to me, you can just use that.
>>32988453>All of ID3 might get 1M before IRyS
>>32988453Yeah thanks for proving my point. NijiEN and holoID are growing just fine. It's just holoEN that's dying and slowly becoming irrelevant and coping with "sub purges".
>>32988481Doesn't really fit because the reason holoJP should be considered to be in a league of its own is because you can throw darts at a list of JP holos and have a greater than 90% chance of getting someone who would easily walk into the top 10 of other agencies and branches, if not top 3. That's why they're strong.
>>32988737Her streams so far this month. Probably gonna go down as she does more regular content.
>>32988671They can occasionally hit 4view status, for now, so they're at least treading the water in comparison. Unless it's gotten worse.
>>32988671Aster should still come in well over 1k for the month. The other two...grim.
>>32988655westerners have the instant sub/like while the video is still buffering engrained by years of spiels and doesn't help that unsubbing by design is slow
>>32988634>No HoloJP in the high school league>Even though Sora, Roboco, Mel, Aki and Choco gets EN tier numbers on regular streams
>>32988791ah, collabs, rust and karaokehow long is her hiatus btw
>>32988553Kuzuha and Toya are definitely holoJP first army tier. Salome too if her recline doesn't continue into sub 10k floor territory. Also Fuwa, Lize, and Kanae maybe if they are buffed properly, which put them among holoJP second tiers.
>>32988811Ah i forgot about them, i was focused on the Niji side, you see
>>32988344If major league is 30k+ above then only two nijis can compete buffed kuzuha and toya.
>>32988823Think it's more of a break than Hiatus, probably just a weird translation from google. She is still active on Twitter at the moment.
>>32988634>Sora>Not high school league
>>32988149To be honest, looking at Ame's latest streams I'd never say that she enjoys her job, despite putting quite a lot of hours in it.A good entertainer is able to put on a show despite feeling down, and she's literally incapable of faking excitement. Maybe the rest of HoloEN audience has been feeling this way regarding her content too.
>>32988304You used a lot of words for>yeah, Ame is lower than the rest of the company, that's a pityThey all got affected by the same subs purge and none of them on triple zero right now and the one that did recently is essentially JP-Ame>HaachamaBoth did for the same reason: a content too insular and hyperfocused on their existing audience.Haachama is trying to bounce back by doing what every Holo does when they're really trying to bounce back>leaning on her colleagues to get back into the box>doing streams with mass appealThat's what Ame could do to improve too, if Matsuri managed to break out of her vicious recline spiral anyone can
>>32988757Probably not, but it's on the outside edge of statistically probability. IRyS will likely have some months where she streams more often, so a baseline of like 10-11k per month is unrealistically low. Also the IDs will most likely drop off as the year progresses, unless the ID vtuber scene is really undergoing a chain reaction of expansion.
>>32988637Fuwa is NijiJP as an organization compressed down onto one person. He is tourist central. His regular content is just 4 view stuff but he can bring the tourists when he is doing an "event". I loathe that style so I hate his guts as I do with NijiJP as a whole.
>>32988811It's kinda sad that RBC gets worse numbers than all holo EN
>>32988934I honestly think Ame would thrive more in a producer role. She has said she would like to produce shows like Ame in the morning and such, but she wants someone else to be the ones doing the streaming.
>>32988930She's a coach in the High School league, but by choice, because she's scared of bleachers that are filled.
>>32988653>>32988737>flare wtfkek, I was more amazed with Choco
>>32988954IRyS has said more than once she might take a one month break. Even getting back to streaming in the last month and her sub growth is some of the lowest in the whole company.
>>32988986Doesnt excuse her from being a shitter
>>32988149She's not here to be your dancing monkey, Ame is streaming because she wants to explore what she can do.
>>32988947Anon, there was literally a moment just a few months ago where PEKORA, actually let me specify this even more:USADA PEKORA, the biggest vtuber in all of Japan, was at 10k/month for a moment in time.You don't gotta try to spin something to take Ame down further. Subs are not the way to do it here
>>32989003Ok yeah if she takes a full month break that makes it more possible that at least Zeta can catch her.
>>32988994RUST is a cheat code for HoloJPs to get CCV.
>>32989020>She's not here to be your dancing monkeyGood for her and all, #girlboss it up if you want to, I guess.But that idea reflects in her growth. She can "explore," sure, that's her choice, but it comes with consequences, and that consequence is being the only HoloEN member that I can truly, unironically, non-shitpostingly describe as experiencing "fanbase atrophy."
>>32988934Ame was great at the start when she leaned much more into her inner gremlin and was really Gura's sidekickAlso when she still had lots of stories to tell- remember the "how the fuck are you still alive" phase?Nowadays she's trying to limit her toxicity for some reason, and she seems more passionate about producer-style stuff (and her terrariums/aquarium) rather than streaming
>>32988760so kaela>enna
>>32989119>producer-style stuffFan game about Ame being a producer so she can get numbers.
>>32988954Even when she streams she doesn't gain more subs. I expect her redesign to save her sub growth at least temporarily though
>>32989059All of Ame's metrics are pretty meh. Subs, SC, CCV, probably even VOD if anyone bothered to check. Erratic schedules, long series, periodically streaming on twitch, frequently overlapping with more interesting streams all aren't helping.
>>32988387no, playboard was the only site to catch #5 on today's tally, it comes in handy at times
>>32989176Exactly, she has been back to streaming and appearing in collabs this last month outside of her 3 day trip with Watame and still gains less than 500 subs per day.
>>32989176You guys ever think about the fact that Youtube considers "getting 100,000 subscribers" to be such a statistically unlikely event, that they can justify sending fucking plaques to the addresses of anyone who gets to that level?And that they do the same thing, but with some kind of gold material, for people who get 1,000,000 subscribers?And yet we argue about people who get that number being "low-tier?"
>>32989197>frequently overlapping with more interesting streams all aren't helping.sometimes she feels like the HoloID stream that wrangle the wanderers during HoloJP events
>>32989059NTA but chill with the hyperbole, dude. Pekora might be the most consistent CCV holder in the Vtuber world but that doesn't make her the biggest Vtuber in Japan just because we use CCV /here/ as our metric for horseracing.The topic right now is about subs, and that anon replied with exactly that, subs number. Don't try to tie CCV to sub growth since we already knew that the latter depends on much more stuff.
>>32989266a nobody getting 100,000 subs is an unlikely eventa vtuber in one of the top vtubing corpo getting 100,000 is a given
>>32989266Well it's like talking about pro sport. Anyone who made it to the pro level is obviously good at what they do, but I'm still gonna call them a shitter when I compare them to the rest of the pros who are way better.
anyone else lowkey stop posting on this thread and just play holocure nonstop? it's been a while since I had this much fun playing something
any contenders for today's gold yet?
>>32987368Maybe a better metric would be watch time per hour streamed. Otherwise, koyori and kaela would be top 10 Vtubers and Marine would be a shitter
>>32989345>>32989346You're not wrong.Its just that sometimes the dissonance hits me, every once in a while.
>>32989266They're vtubers and their sub growth is being compared to other vtubers. If you are getting way less subs than all of your peers it's perfectly normal to be classified as "low tier". Do you want us to compare them to joe schmoe uploading his fucking gun review videos to 50 vod views or something?
>>32989365nah it got boring to me in a day after i unlocked everything again
>>32988930Sora is doing 6k median so far this month. Thats about NijiJP and NijiEN mid tiers, which is college level there
>>32989059>the biggest vtuber in all of Japan, was at 10k/month for a moment in time.For the same reason Ame and Haachama anon and I am not saying this to "take Ame down further".Pekora's audience is MASSIVE but her content is pretty much tailor made for her existing audience (and the one in the box).Subs growth means very little after a certain threshold (see: Salome) and as long as it is not walking backwards, for a 1,5M+ streamer it doesn't matter if it is 10k/month or 50k/month.But if it mattered, the way to break out of "breaking even with the subs purge" is putting out content with mass appeal outside the regular audience.Here is the 30k plus group>ID3, with a whole new audience outside of the usual Holo ID>Suisei, Fubuki, Miko and Koyori with the RUST tourists from both within and outside the box>Suisei (again) with the TV crowd and the mainstream media crowdAgain, subs growth after a certain threshold means fuck all but there is a way to counteract the subs purge and not doing so is piling up yet another problem on Ame's shoulders
>>32989266That's like saying "every basketball player that makes it to the NBA is an incredible athlete, so we shouldn't say any of them are bad". What we discuss here are the top of the top of the vtubing world (and Aia sometimes) so 100k subs is like...the baseline for anyone we'd even care about in the first place.
>>32989365I've been playing it a fucking LOT.The hard mode is genuinely wild.
>>32989365I had fun trying to make Fubuki fast as fuck by stacking all the SPD increasing items.
>>32989365i was bored, then i plugged in my controller.fuck this game is so fun now, you can do tight movements and go full glasscannon like you could never with a keyboard.
>>32989020You can certainly say she's making use of her chance in Hololive. Most streamers couldn't get away with risking the audience they've built up to do such blunt experimentation.
>>32989396the upgrade shop doesn't actually stop at 5 levels, you sure you did everything there anon
>>32987539She's a SEA magnet. The amount of boing boings and cutting board chats from viets, flips, and indos are outstanding
>>32989427We don't always talk about the top, though, sometimes we talk about random cases that catch people's interest, like that time people watched the Kawaii debuts, or that military horse girl, or that Rye girl, or Dollar Store Pekora.Really, it's less>/#/: Major League Numbers Discussionand more>/#/: Interesting Numbers Discussionwhere "Interesting" can be on any point in the spectrum, relative to its own environment.
is this list not accurate? mio is not even listed on her
>>32980604>29,828: Lily Linglan (The Box)Who the fuck is this!?
>>32989365I'm alternating between them. It's a good cycle, though it kills time quick as fuck
>>32988986Sora is Zack Greinke...
>>32989535IRyS is a case of both because at debut she blew past Gura's initial growth only to completely hit a wall and drop to the lowest growth in her branch (outside Sana).
>>32988947well there is still a few more that might be at triple zero if they were over a million subs, hard to tell if she is actually the lowest
>>32989530yeah all alt costumes too
>>32989549taiwanese chuuba who got famous for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgbF2TRK2k , graduated and now two months later redebuted in a new company
>>32989365Posting this in between my runs kek
>>32989365I cleared hard, got everyone and then just stopped.
>>32989549taiwanese vtuber that was a meme a couple of months back and is also boosted by drama.
>>32989645I've said it before and I'll say it again, after both IRyS and Salome:Solo Debuts are fucking steroids for early-state growth cycles, but depressants for late-state growth cycles. You get pros (all the attention on you and you alone for a hype cycle) and cons (no easy access to a group to bounce off of for content once the hype cycle moves to the next event/group).I think long term, it's a positive for both IRyS and Salome to have been solo debut girls, but that it came with obvious downsides which cascaded to them over time. IRyS dealt with it better than Salome, via integrating herself with another group, compared to sticking to the solo world, but they both feel it even today in some form.
>>32987527You know, she knows full well about the consequences and does what she does anyways. If cover wants numbers, she can just spam collab with gura and stream MC, I gaurantee my balls that her numbers will return in just 1-2 months of doing so.
>>32989671>>32989737damn, you guys are fast. the next update is probably in Novemberhttps://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1569084872467320832
>>32989020>She's not here to be your dancing monkey,That's, IMO, the biggest dissonance between people absolutely in love with a streamer and the regular audience: the former want the streamer to be happy so hard they forget they're professional entertainers and would rather to see them destroy their career if that's what "makes her happy".I understand the feeling, but it's not a rational one. Reminds me of Yoko Ono getting in the middle of the Beatles and turning John Lenon from one of the greatest singers and songwriters in the biggest band of the world into the ANSOLUTE RETARD that unironically recorded this>John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj98tqAsuD4He got LUCKY he got killed, because it immortalized him before he could do any more damage to himself and his legacyLong story short: not all experiment is good, some are retarded and career killing
Bros, save my Salami...
>>32980996>>32983607Source?
Why is it that girls with sexy models do bad in terms of numbers, but girls with unattractive models do well in terms of numbers?
>>32989907irys...
>>32989839No
>>32989777>no easy access to a group to bounce off of for content once the hype cycle moves to the next event/groupOn Salome's case, it was absolute Anycolor retardation, which Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) tried to warn them.In IRyS case, she god "sandwiched between her debut and Council and ended up in an awkward "sixth ranger" position.
>>32989790They're still developing it solo? If so that sounds like a lot of work for that fast of a path cycle.
>>32989819Not impossible to reconcile the dissonance: there are streamers who are genuinely happy if they're entertaining their audience, and even happier if they're entertaining greater numbers.
>>32989942I mean, she's doing better than most other EN Corpo Vtubers in the world, so I guess that depends on your definition of "sexy model."
>>32988671Aster, Scarle and Reimu are over 1k a lot of times but Aia has a lot of difficult to reach it
>>32989957There's no such thing as "anycolor retardation". Salome chose her own content and she choses to not collab with anyone without it being pre-recorded.
>>32990047Speaking of scarle and maria i noticed in playboard that everyone in nijien is gaining subs except for those two and voxFor vox we already know the cause but for Scarle and Maria did anything happen to them?
>>32990158they keep gaining subs but some days they wont. i dont think anything happened.
>>32989978it truly is a passion project. I just hope he takes it slowly so that he doesn't feel burnt out though he's feeling it already. I don't want to see a project this great getting abandon
>>32989957Yeah, it was kind of weird for IRyS. Just enough time to kind of be around Myth and get set up with a "Sixth Ranger" vibe for them, but then Council came out and she ended up absolutely being their "Sixth Ranger."I guess it's kind of like she's the "Tommy Oliver" of HoloEN? All I know is that it resulted in a very brief, maybe one month long window of time where "Hololive EN Unity" art was made up of six people, not eleven, or ten, as it stands now.
>>32990115Is there anything that could be construed as Anycolor being to blame for anything or, in your opinion, they get all of the praise but none of the blame?
>>32990115that sounds like cope
>>32990115She seems awkward and introverted, she would unironically have been better off in hololive. Trade Mori to NijiEN for Salome, both companies will get exactly what they need.
What's the next big sponsor you think Holo or Niji will score?
>>32990115>There's no such thing as "anycolor retardation"there is retardation, especially if you somehow dont intervene in trying to take adavantage of what essentially is the JP version of Gura and use that to lift the company as a whole instead of isolating her.
>>32990231>both Niji and Holo's solo debut girls are socially reclusive retards who act like princesses and get treated like ojous in some form or another by their fansKind of wild, in retrospect, innit
It seems nijis are taking over clip channels too. Is this true holobros?>Inb4 phonepostingI'm taking a shit right now
>>32990183>they keep gaining subs but some days they wontmaybe but from what im seeing this is the 3rd day i think that they dont have any sub growth while even aia still got the +1000/day that why i was curious.
DAMN, Mio inclined hard. She has a long time series that allows for comparison>pic relatedAsa Mio started humble but now, the last time it failed to beat 12k was in February, in a period it was inching towards that number, coming from November and December when it inching towards a safe 10k (but far from it)
>>32990324spamming comments now it means taking over?
https://youtu.be/zuC6gpK5g2wWill your oshi ever be this cool anon?
>>32990324>three months>one month>two weeks>this is worth posting aboutYeah, you're taking a shit, all right.
>>32990279>>32990220>>32990214Anycolor is hands off with their channels, they do whatever they want to if this is within the rulesthis is nothing new, it has been the case for years. You get in nijisanji, you do your own content and thats your final decision>>32990231No, its probably because she cant use her kayfabe well without it being pre recorded or alone.
>>32990324lolthey arentand i say this as a clipper who has different channels for both corpos
>>32990360She's the most breedable member of Hololive for a reason
>>32990360Asamio is FAKE NEWS. Asakoyo is the one to watch!
>>32990390NekoMikuri you fell off bro.
>>32990388>Anycolor is hands off with their channelsexcept for the numberfagging part im guessing?
>>32990422I appreciate that dude's rust stuff, though, at least
>>32990388OK, I get it. Anycolor is infallible because >they can't fail if they don't do anythingMakes sense
>>32989790Kay Yu more like gay Yu I'm still grinding for coins + attempting night clear on all chars
did mio stop doing tarot reading? i miss those...
>>32990324They've been at it for at least half a year now. They infest any holo reactors, reddit, musicians, artist, and keep begging for niji
>>32990388>Anycolor is hands off with their channels>hey kezuha we are hands off with your channel but you know that 1M celebration? its going to be in the main channel not in yours, yeah we are totally hands off hehe
>>32990324Nijiniggers are so fucking weird and retarded
>>32990360Vtubers are getting more popular in Japan/SEA/China/Taiwan but becoming irrelevant in the West. I think the trend is clear.
>>32990472Isn't that a new years thing?
>>32990454True his clipper skill is admirable but fucking hell he ruined his channel algo though by flip flopping on different vtubers and sucking on niji cock.
>>32990205IRyS's position was practically tailor-made for her- bilingual and lives in JP (a huge priority for omegagay)- strong resume in music (despite no actual professional experience)- could work with all their JP music contacts to produce mostly JP garbo orisongs- capitalizes on EN's popularity ("oh wow the EN AZKi/Sora/Suisei")It's kinda funny that ennaschizo is so fixated on IRyS when her real competition was actually Sana kek
>>32990472I think only at the beginning of the year?
>>32990390How much do you make per month in both channels?>>32990422I just straight up block his channel.
>>32990422i said different channels not different playlists anon
>>32990472She regretted dooming her kouhai....
>>32990390Fuck off oboretai
>>32990390whore
>>32990435If you are referring to the NijiEN leaks. One of them is a sponsor and another is Yugo asking about how his sub growth has been. its a retarded narrative.>>32990461No one said anything about them being infallible. I'm only saying you are responsible for your own channel and decisions. It always has been like this on Nijisanji since day 1 in regards to their own content production in their channel. Only very few are hands on like Noraneko, and thats not even in relation to her content but to make sure she won't fuck up things>>32990482It's something organized by staff so ofc its going to be on the main channel
>>32989373NTA, but that can have its own problems because huge, rare streams are still just that - rare. Like Ayame's bloated stats because half of her streams are returns streams. It just comes down to it's difficult to have a conversation about numbers in here without some schizo or retard trying to take a shit.
>>32990520>practically tailor-made for herI think it was LITERALLY tailor-made, actually.Like, she's said that she auditioned for Hololive before. I would not be surprised in the slightest if the reason they even made a "VSinger" role was so that they could poach her for the EN branch, output be damned.
>>32990544I know, I just wanna diss on the other guy.
It doesn't seem like there are enough talent leaders for behind the scenes stuff in Niji for the amount of livers they have, they need more Maimotos now that Mito and Shiina are concerning themselves less with the management side of things.
>>32990525around 150 - 170 range for niji and 400 - 500 for holo
Is this an impressive number?
>>32990612>Like, she's said that she auditioned for Hololive beforeShe did? I thought she only said that it was "hololive or nothing", not that she actually applied before
>>32990557speaking of this, did any of her readings actually came to pass? i know the rushia one was...
>>32990608>It's something organized by staff so ofc its going to be on the main channeldo they can actually do something when they want huh?, except with Salome I guess, they went full retarded
>>32990608>I'm only saying you are responsible for your own channel and decisions.Ibrahim (see >>32989957) seems to disagree with this and wondered of Anycolor would provide any guidance to Salome or if they wuold simply let her flounderSeems like they did let her flounder, I say they are to blame.
>>32990657Mayuzumi...
Nice, mooms is going to do halu5 runshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_0SSBMsCo
>>32990720Maybe I was mis-remembering that statement, but like, if someone feel like that, I imagine they probably did audition more than once, yeah. Could be misremembering, though.
>>32990793Literally always take Halu if you can by the time you get a collab weapon, it is only a positive investment.
>>32990720didnt she apply for holojp?
>>32990793en gold? can this beat luxiem collab?
>>32990793Is this fucked up or coping on their part
>>32990777To be fair to AnyColor you can't put all of that on them, if this was hololive you'd have other holos providing advice and getting her into a group without needing any management prodding.
>>32990842It only starts being a mistake in hard mode or endless mode.
Is it me or NijiEN offcollabs tweets always seem a bit like selling some kind of yuri/yaoi baits to their community.A bit like their "I love Nijisanji"tweets from a while ago,something souless.
>>32990842halu glasscannon love
>>32990419I watch both
>>32990860People guessed that she may have, but no one ever actually came with proof of it.
>>32990873probably not
>>32990777No you see that anon understands more about anycolor than Ibrahim.
>mori doing her anniverary in literal JP timeanother whopping 10k for a fucking 2 year anniversarywhy are Mori and Kiara like this. mock Luxiem all you want but all of them at least know to go where most fans will watch live for their events
>>32990891The right build for Roboco with Lvl5 Halu and Endless Mode (level 2) makes you into a literal free money generator.Seriously, Roboco is disgustingly strong if you focus on XP growth.
>>32990932I hope JP stream over her
>>32990963JP won't even fucking notice her
>>32990893>if this was hololivethe problem is that its not so it was all on anycolor.
>>32990983good
>>32990932They don't get lavished with 3D access like gen 5 does what the fuck do you want them to do?
>>32990842Depends. It's true in normal mode, but it can be pretty challenging in HM. I just wiped at around 16' with IRyS and Halu5 in H1 just now (got early Piggy Bank and SCT so I wanted to see if HM can beat S2 in term of farming efficiency - guess not)
>>32991013Sssssstream it in a good timeslot?
>>32990891Even in hard mode it can be a positive increase as long as you don't like, go overboard with it.I've noticed that at the very least, 2-3 points in it is healthy and manageable. I had 4 stacks as Kronii and by the time Saplings came out there were legit 80% of my screenBut in normal stage mode yeah absolutely. The influx of XP and coins outweighs anything else that can be offered
>>32990695That's a good side hustle ngl. Which holo/liver?
>>32991013not be retarded and stream in or near NA time and not on JP time? or do you need a 3D access to stream on that time?
>>32990986The only thing on AnyColor is fostering so much independence, livers like Ibrahim will talk about what could be done but stay out of it otherwise because not his channel, not his problem.
>>32989957Ibrahim>Anykara needs to do something to boost Salome and support her, their decision is crucial for SalomeNijifucktard in this thread>I blame Salome, Anykara can't do no wrong. It's all Salome faultNiji mental gymnastic is something else, they thought they know better than Ibrahim
>>32990983JP loves Mori but keep seething last samurai
>>32990796>>32990860She said she auditioned for *something* singing-related and failed at the last round of audition before. She didn't say it was Hololive-related, so it could have been an audition for an idol / singer group for all we knows.
irys vs kaela both playing holocureprediction?both sub 5k for me
>>32990873Is that Mysta stream confirmed to be a collab or thinking is going to be a collab
>>32991151retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_0SSBMsCoReporting a Mooms stream, going to kill Irys stream half way in.
>>32991080mostly nijien for nijisanji since i stopped doing en for nijijp cause it was not worth the hassle for holo all of them
>>32991132that's your average nijidrone, its never the company's fault, always blame the liver
>>32991151IRyS will get her usual 8-9k solo number at this timeslot. Since it's HoloCure, maybe 10k+ if she can manage to get there before Moom's stream starts
>>32991051>>32991098Mori is in Japan you retards she works with big Japanese music producers, you're telling her to fuck up her sleep schedule for an anniversary stream
>>32991151IRyS will get 10k or so and then drop hard once Mumei starts
>>32991217>>32991194IRyS is fucking dogshit at vidya, the fact that you think she won't chain die on the first stage is baffling
>>32991183Nice. Who's your oshi?
>>32989957it's intentional. salome was mindbreaking mito and causing her to not stream anymore. they'd rather let salome recline than lose mito.
>>32991210>you're telling her to fuck up her sleep schedule for an anniversary streami mean for all the shit we throw at kiara at least she actually tried to cater to the timezone of her audience.
>>32991234>she won't chain die on the first stageeven playing as Miko?
>>32991278Kiara is also not in Japan and doesn't need to network with people living in Japan, she has it much easier.
>>32990777>>32990919Nothing of what he said was about support, guidance or whatever but not fucking over her. Salome success depends on herself like any other liver in nijisanji after they are in. Ultimately they can get suggestions but the final decision is on them, same as how she can refuse sponsorships but refuse to do so.
>>32991210>fuck up her sleep schedulekek, I'm not even following this conversation but ... isn't she a "underground party" type of girl that used to hang out with her like minded rappers and friends all night long, partying and drinking?I am absolutely hard pressed to imagine Mori having trouble staying up late>sorry rapper dude, I know I should be out partying with you guys but it's past my bed time>can we do it 9PM next time? I need to be in bed by 10
>>32991235are you that anon thats doxxing everyone? if so i have no oshi
>>32990752Anya...Peko...
>>32990390>clips for different corposhow the fuck do you find the time in a day to do that shit
>>32991210Mori has literally randomly streamed in NA times many times recently. Yes, she can make an effort to schedule that specific day around it.
>>32991210IRyS is also in Japan and she has been streaming mostly in EN hours so far (mainly late EN hours, but EN hours nonetheless). She has been moving her stream even earlier recently for some reasons, even (is she trying to build / get new viewers from EN Prime TIme timeslot? Or did the management ask them to fill Gura's timeslot while Gura isn't streaming?)"Working with big Japanese music producers" shouldn't affect Mori's anniversary. It's only one day, and people start working at 8-9AM all the time
>>32991321No...I'm just setting you up to call you a whore if you say you have an oshi per cop.
>>32991317>Nothing of what he said was about support, guidanceAnon, his exact words where>Whether the Anycolor will let her have some freedom, or whether management itself will help her and spur her popularity>they really should be very careful in their decisionThat genuinely doesn't look like words from someone thinking managament is hands off.
>>32990895It always comes off as insincere and desperate.
>>32990793This gonna be fun. If only it wasnt monday morning for me damn it
>>32980671>10x: Hololive>1x: NijisanjiWhat happun
>>32991234Say what you want, but she did beat Megaman X.Most people can't do that.
>>32991132they know nothing about nijijp
>>32991234she's already cleared the first stage multiple times before though
>>32991375Getting 6k on fucking rust while overlapping Super Auto Pets should be proof that she should not go to that fucking timeslot and keep to where she is.
>>32991132>>32991184It makes no sense to blame the company. Any success or failure even more in a successful branch is about the own vtuber managing their channel.Nijisanji vtubers are hands off and you barely even feel there's managers to the point they could be indies just under a network.
>>32991333>how the fuck do you find the time in a day to do that shitmy actual job is wfh and can be done in an hour.
>>32991419It's 2004 Red Sox all over again, anon, don't worry, Niji's gonna pull it back and we're all gonna sing "Sweet Caroline" together
>>32991234She already cleared first stage on her first HoloCure stream before. She also grinded off-stream, so unless she went retarded like Suisei or Korone and deleted her save, she should have better starting point this time (IRyS getting buffed helps, too)
>irys starting 30mins earliergood move irys. she got at least 2.5 hours before mumei start
Is that good or bad for numbers
>>32991412No, that sounds something like he wishing they weren't hands off>>32991423Kind of hilarious considering you guys don't know either. Can't recognize a lot of members, have to go to 5ch and lurk to have info, anyway, none of you even watch nijisanji, you are just somehow extremely obsessed with it to the point you are known as an anti nijisanji thread
>>32990893NTA but Niji has a lot of veterans too (JKgumi, Sanbaka, etc). I remember chaika beating himself up after the whole Roa-Meiro fiasco happened saying he should have done a better job at being a senpai. The issue I think is that the internal culture of Niji isn't really set up to provide support for the newcomers. To give an opposite example on holoJPs side, a few months back Iroha was basically floundering and was close to being a <5k chuuba due to bad game choices and lack of collabs. Korone and Subaru then proceeded to invite her to one on one Collabs and she also got invited to an amongus Collab by the senior members. That basically jolted her viewership back a bit. Having a rank and file Vet looking out for you is great and all but having actual stars who've made it being the one mentoring you just hits different. If Salome had debuted in Holo, once the Collab ban was up you know damn well that FBk, Subaru, Pekora, Marine, and even fucking Towa would break her in. You have an assortment of Hags like Mio and Botan (both being 1 mil sub holos) that are there too to provide advice. Holos internal culture is just a lot more mature thanks to FBK and Sora.
>>32991162Just about every NijiEN(CN) stream that performs decently is a collab of some kind.
>>32991521Always bad to not start on time.
>>32991438Everything needs to start somewhere, anon. If she is trying to get new viewers from that timeslot, she will just have to accept weaker viewerships for a month or two until people in the timeslot is used to her streams
>>32991568That's funny considering how all ranunculus had collab with lize, toko, ange, Lain and many more members, same as voltaction and older gens...
>>32991317>same as how she can refuse sponsorships but refuse to do so.TOP KEK, this is the most sycophantic brown nosed statement I ever saw>Nijisanji management is not to blame for pushing sponsored streams her way, hurting her grown>Salome is solely to blame for accepting themThat's too retarded of a defense of a company even for you mate. You have a perfectly symmetrical situation>one party offers>the other party acceptsand you put the whole blame on the second party.Are you some sort of Nijisanji PR drone? I never seen anyone have so much content for the talent of a company while defending said company management EVERY decision regardless of how detrimental that might be.At least tell me you are not doing it for free
>>32991162not sure actually. i kinda assume its a collab because the last time he did a wheel thing it was the luxiem collab
>>32991412Nah thats sounds more like they were always hands off which is even more retarded if thats the case seeing that they have a golden opportunity to revive themselves and get potential exposure to the rest of their streamers but somehow just did nothing.
>>32991521>Starting earlierShe's an actual numberfag huh?
>>32991423This is the thread where no one was talking about koshien when it was happening nad the same thread that don't watch niji streams. dont be ridiculous
>>32991548plenty of people here watch atleast one niji member
>>32991651But you guys just said that starting earlier is bad for numberswhich is it?
>>32991521>Is that good or bad for numbersBad.She is starting further away from her usual late NA + midday SEA timeslot. Her SEA audience will probably still be asleep or preparing to head off to work or school, so she has to pray that EN audience in Gura's timeslot warms up to her quick.
>>32991624Whats wrong with defending the comapny? Every real Nijisanji fan knows that the company always does whats best for the livers and the company.
>>32991670Yeah, fucking Pomu or Selen.
>>32991700Waiting room numbers don't look good for her now 30mins away start time
>>32990842read this from the wiki, is this true?
>>32991679Starting earlier to escape Mumei is still numberfagging even if it's numberfagging wrong
>>32991624Sponsorship offers come, the company give it and the vtuber accept it or not. It's that simple.Pomu just weeks ago stopped accepting sponsorships because she was accepting a lot on a month, other members in JP also do it when they feel its getting too much. Its on their own to not do it, the offer will go to someone else.
>>32991730Fuck if I know, but that tracks
>>32991455sure anon, its never their fault, just keep blaming Salome. God these bootlickers disgust me
>>32991521running away from Kaela overlap kekweakling, and Kaela is way better player than her
>>32991548>No, that sounds something like he wishing they weren't hands offOF COURSE HE IS WISHING THEY WERE NOT HANDS OFF, he considers it their duty to provide proper guidance.But he mentions other part too>whether the ANYCOLOR management will let her have some freedomHe is clearly stating they don't and wishing they do. I'll make an assumption you didn't watch this clip so I suggest you dohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPyTSM0ELe4Everything about Salome looks like a carefully manicured product, from the solo debut to the one hour time limit to the lack of contact with the rest of the company for the most part and everything Ibrahim said implies just that.
>>32991521She's now streaming 30 minutes before Kaela's Holocure so more will head to her.
>>32991730That is the point of Halu, yes. Enemies get stronger and more spawn but you get more money out of it
>>32991788>Bootlicking is somehow bad when the company is doing something rightRetard.
It's probably unrelated to numbers but I'm fucking monstrously horny right now despite only really talking about numbers, who do I blame for this
>>32991670watching one member isn't the same thing. >>32991788I'm not bootlicking anything but stating the reality of the facts. Its the own individual that is responsible for their growth after debut. That's why on Niji JP itself you have Yotsuha regularly on 2k and getting lots of subs while Muyu barely gets any and streams to less than 500 people, both from the same gen. But no, both are in that situation because of the company..
>>32991838I meant the part where it mentioned levels 4 and 5
>>32991823fuck off from here already redditor
>>32991850Subaru winning gold
>>32991847yes retard, kys already
>>32990514What are you talking about? The last Nijisanji clip on his channel is from a few months ago.
>>32991617Collabs yes but seeing as nothing was gained from said Collabs and they're still doing the same damn thing that's slowly making them irrelevant then they're probably failing on the mentoring part. Also, was there any long lasting connections that happened due to those Collabs aside from the mandatory twitter convo? Any new cliques? Groups? Anya was a member of the gamblers club during rust and even Gura and her autistic ass got in on the fun too. Anything like that happen in Nijisanji recently? This is not me being antagonistic by the way, I'm honestly curious.
>>32991850No lusting!
>>32991755if the company is offering more sponsorship than a streamer can take how is that not on them to blame?There is no use talking to you, I feel like I am talking to a parody, a caricature of what they accused Hololive fanbase to be for the longest time>defend the company at all costs even when it makes no senseIn this case you literally have the company offering something that will harm the streamer channel, it then harms the streamer channel but somehow only the streamer is to blame for accepting it.That's too dumb of a defense>they could have "just said no" at any moment
>>32989957but didn't many people find him the coolest?
>>32991940NTA but the retard makes good points.
>>32991568True, but even in hololive it's up to the holo herself in end whether or not to make use of the opportunity to grow your own channel. See: Laplus.
>>32992047Yeah Sixth rangers exist to spice things up in group dynamics of the show so, really, it's kinda weird IRyS became Council's Sixth Ranger instead of Myth's.
>>32992167Well, Tommy became the Red Ranger during Zeo, so that kind of tracks.
>>32992167It's not weird when only Ina and Mori reached out to her
>>32992037The company offer sponsorship, the liver refuse. I already explained how it works as that has been literally explained many times for years in nijisanji.>they could have "just said no" at any momentBecause that's literally what members have done when they didn't want sponsorship streams. I already gave a recent example with Pomu who was accepting a lot of sponsors but decided to take a time from it.>if the company is offering more sponsorship than a streamer can takeI havent said anything about offering more. Im talking about other companies giving the offer to the company either for an individual, group or company itself and them picking it or not. the final decision is on the vtuber>>32992026Lain and Yotsuha became friends, Ponto became friends with Nagao and Chigusa. Those are a few examples i know
>>32992143>See: Laplus.Whatever Laplus is doing is definitely not for lack of support and guidance. She even streamed from the studio when her internet was crappy ,and got countless appearances on the main channel to supplement the lack of content in her own channel.
>>32992271>got countless appearances on the main channelforced to do so, to become Cover new mascot
>>32992336Hotplus Dogness...
>>32992250>Lain and Yotsuha became friends, Ponto became friends with Nagao and Chigusaso thats it...
>>32992037waiting for you to respond this and explain to me how and why members are on a different level of success if they aren't the ones responsible for their growth over time.same gen, same pool of viewers, still different levels of popularity from each other. the company provides the platform for debut and the eyes, the rest is on the member and their own actions and content>>32991890
>>32991320Ah yes the hard partying Japanese internet rap scene.
>>32992250Lain also became friends with Mito. As did Yotsuha.
>>32992369thats not just it, i only cited friendship. they had and have collabs all the time with others.
>>32992336>making lacunny the next sex slavenice
>>32992250>Lain and Yotsuha became friends, Ponto became friends with Nagao and Chigusa. Those are a few examples i knowDid any of the top Nijis develop any kind of connection with the newer recruits? No offense to Lain, Nagao and chigusa but they're kinda shitters. Like what I've mentioned before. It's the difference between getting mentored by a clown like Nick Young and being mentored by Steph Curry.
>>32992250>the final decision is on the vtuberI get it, maybe you are I are smarter than Nijisanji management because it seems to be a consensus between you and I that the sponsored streams provided by Nijisanji (out of which they clearly profit) are hurting Salome's channel, but apparently they don't.Because, of course, if they did, why would they allow the Ace (as Ibrahim put) to hurt her own channel with something very easy to prevent>Hey Salome, too many sponsored streams are hurting your channel>We'll hold off sending them your way until you get back on your feetThat, of course, is believing your theory that they company gives absolute and total freedom to the streamer (Salome in this case), instead of pushing her to do it themselves.Occam razor says the later, it needs fewer steps
>>32992541No, because that's not how friendship works. We don't even know if those newer members could connect with the top with their personality.
Big Regis yab lmao
>>32992676you wanna elaborate or you just wanna make shitty posts
>>32992609Anycolor don't need to hold anything because as I said, Salome is a human being who can deny sponsor streams like others do. She's not a baby but an adult who can make decisions.
>>32992541Dont they have that collab fee thingy in nijisanji? I remember hearing about it long ago, maybe the newer recruits can only afford them?
>>32991850just go jack off to Mio
>>32992470Good for them then but I do hope that Iinchou does more than just be friends with them and actually mentors them behind the scenes. I remember Lulu once mentioned how Mito told her to take sponsorships in moderation which is why Lulu content wasnt really shill focused. Salome could have probably used that same advice...
>>32992439>how and why members are on a different level of successAnon, they are absolutely the ones responsible for their growth in part, luck into it in part, different levels of talent play another part>and companies mismanaging a talent channel by action or inaction plays a part
>>32992676Go to catalog, not even his chat cared.
>>32992676Cheating in Mario Kart is faggot behavior though, they deserved to be called a fat fuck honestly.
>>32992609I don't know anon, if I was working as a vtuber I'd rather they show me every sponsorship opportunity so I can make my decisions. If they think one of them isn't a good idea they can just tell me.
>>32990409what is that reason?
Can someone repost the "Finance ASMR" picture, I wanna see it again
>>32992748Everyone is afraid of approaching Salome and Salome is opening up to others at a glacial pace.
>>32992794>If they think one of them isn't a good idea they can just tell me.That's the exact point, some of them were clearly not a good idea and they didn't "just told her", if you subscribe to the idea it is not management telling her outright to take it
>>32992862Maybe they did, and she decided to just take the money anyway. Basically my point is that we simply don't know enough to say for certain how much of the blame is on the company and how much on Salome herself.What's certain is that they wasted, and are still wasting someone with tremendous potential.
>>32992676Axel also “fat shamed” and didn’t get shit for it, fuck off liberal cuck
lmao xqc watched Ame's clip on r/lsfhttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/1588547288?t=00h12m00smaybe some of those 50k juicers will push her over the 0 0 0 hill
>>32992945liberals also talk shit about people for being fat, anon, you're thinking of something else
>>32992942>we simply don't know enough to say for certain how much of the blame is on the companyAt least you consider the possibility, unlike the other bloke
Reminder that Salome is playing more disaster report next week. She is beyond reproach. Just wait for her to start marathoning artsy western indie games.
>>32992954xqc ship with ame????
>>32992862i have said before but salome is an adult. other members who are also adults chose to deny sponsorships and those instead went to other members who either accepted or denied it.
>>32992954nah xqc general audience is the farthest thing for a potential audience for a vtuber
>>32991548>Kind of hilarious considering you guys don't know eitherwrong, it's been proven again and againfor examplenijikek doesn't know anything about nijijp reimbursement and ask for source >>32956526hololive fans casually drop the clip >>32956545hololive fans knows more about nijijp than any nijikek here
>>32993006because I'm not talking only about salome but many other examples I have in mind where the liver made their own decision to not take much sponsorships on their channel. I already gave the examples to you but you seem to ignore it and insist that salome cant take or make any decision by herself.
>>32992828I'm disappointed with Kanae since I thought that he'd be the one to provide guidance like how he took Kuzuha under his wing until King found his footing. The OG Nijis were either too jealous/afraid of Salome's success or management was retarded enough to isolate Salome because they were took scared to fuck it up which they did anyway.
>>32993039I concede anon. The party giving Salome something detrimental to her channel has no blame to it because she accepted.
>>32993061wdym? he's a vtuber, twitch says so.
>>32993061Look, I thought vtubers were retarded weeb shit half a year ago and now here I am. Although you're probably right
>>32992954no way!
>>32992954He's barely intelligible. How does a French guy get popular with English speakers?
>>32993069NijiEN fans who only watch nijien only know about it, not about the past of the agency. if this is even a nijien fan and not a falseflagger
>>32988274I thought Lui and Iroha were the runts.
>>32993197Koyori was the runt
>>32993111Yes, because ultimately the offer is an offer, not an obligation. Maybe we have different definitions about it, but I won't ever blame someone if they have options and I see others making use of said option all of the company.
>>32993061xqc is basically twitch mumei, she could wrangle those adhd juicers with her unbridled autism like nothing.
>>32993159he's relatable.
>>32993108Kanae? Why would he be someone good to guide her. He's all about games like apex, rust, pubg, tarkov and many many collabs. Totally not fitting for Salome. They're idea of what they want to do is very different.
>>32993159same way a swedish guy also got popular with english speakers
>>32993108>The OG Nijis were either too jealous/afraid of Salome's successwasnt there a clip like that?
I just got an ad on Twitter promoting Okayu's sololive. Did they do something similar for Watame and Suisei? It's the first time I see one.
>>32993285Salami x Hime-sama collab now!
>>32993357I kinda remember seeing an ad for watame
>>32992541there's only so much time in Steph Curry's day, Anon.
>>32993350Yeah i kinda remember someone saying that everyone might either be intimidated or scared by her.
>>32993108>OG Nijis fucked her up>Management fucked her up>sponsorships fucked her upSo many people worked together to fuck her up! Did you ever think for a second that maybe she just isn't that interesting?
>>32993372fake royalty gtfo
So which Nijis are the ones that are the most fuckable if we're gonna spend all day talking about their fucking sponsorships
>>32990324Please watch baseball pajeetoIt is so much more entertaining than your stupid cricket and the players are more diverse
>>32992732>collab feehuh that actually makes a lot of sense now.
Enna would get 15k on HoloCure. That is the benchmark
>>32993285Kanae is basically Nijis FBK. He has a tendency to break in the new recruits to make them feel welcomed within Nijisanji. He was one of the few JPs who actually went out of his way to interact with NijiEn if I remember correctly outside of their debut week (HSKW ditched them the moment she realized they weren't going to be Nijisanji's version of myth). I also remember him reaching out to some of the international livers. And like I mentioned earlier, he was the one who took Kuzuha under his wing before he became Nijis top talent, back when he was kind of awkward hence why chronoir became a thing.
>>32993542Im happy for you anon im glad fem-magni is actually inclining
>>32993542Relying on Holos now?
>>32993542fact
So that's the date for the worms tourney huh, not sure if we had a date before, wasn't following schedules much
>>32993584>fem-magni>>32993619Holy Shit I actually see it kek, She actually does look like a female version of magni.
>>32993542Nah, that would only cause her to graduate out of harrasment from her Billibilli friends.
>>32993619>>32993654kek i cant get it out of my head now fuck you anon
>>3299365416th and 23th iirc. 8pm PST
>>32990478Any reaction video to Kronii's Mafia was particularly bad. You had the Homobeggars begging for Shien's version and the Nijibeggars begging for Luca's version. Fucking vultures all of them.
>>32993619ENNA I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I'LL EVEN MAKE SURE YOU GET HOLOCURE PERMS
>>32993501Hoshikawa and it's not even a question.
>>32993303So Hearthstone, unmoderated chat and PlugDJ?
>>32992336I told you, next Pekora.
>>32993501Ars since she's submissive and breedable.
>>32993501ENTER
https://twitter.com/oozorasubaru/status/1559467727546331136c'mon Subaru, anytime now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br6DmVlGF08Finally Haachama Rust
>>32993501Sister Claire, no contest
>>32993654Is this real?
IRyS what the fuck are you doing? You loveable retard!
>>32993501a lot of niji girls' designs are extremely breedable. Kaede just does things to my monkey brain
>>32993954https://twitter.com/magnidezmond/status/1569115685422514176yes
>>32993501I kinda like this guys design even though he's a guy no homo
>>32994072Truly manjisanji.
>>32993501>all these responses>only NijiJP girls>>32993972what's did she do this time?
>>32994072How the fuck does Ange look more masculine than Miyabi
>>32993501my daughterwife
>>32993501gotta go with ritsuki
https://youtu.be/br6DmVlGF08https://youtu.be/br6DmVlGF08https://youtu.be/br6DmVlGF08SOUND THE SIRENS, THE END IS NIGH!!!
>retardRyS still below 8kEnna would have 12k by now
>HAACHAMA RUST HAACHAMA RUST >HAACHAMA RUST HAACHAMA RUST
>8k people are watching IRyS be a complete retard attempting to figure out how a controller worksI am actually in love with this retard
>>32994249>Bae not being a retard anymore>Haachama going back into the boxSomething is up
>>32994249>ENTER EN DaisenpaiShe's gonna show her kouhai how it's done.
>>32994434Cope, Enna is cuter and a better singer
>>32994270Enna would've beaten the game on hard modo, saved the fans, and then done a 3D solo live by now
>HAACHAMA RUSTwill the sun rise from the west as well?
>>32994513Sora Rust soon
>>32994249>plays rust when gura isn't playing anymoreHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>32994486They're scared because EN3 is coming soon. Yes even Haachama, that's how powerful the number 3 is.
>>32994571>Watame rust
>>32994589>gura isn't playing anymore>he doesnt know
>>32994612I can feel this one coming... She'll definitely want to play with haachama... Wonder if she'll succumb...
>>32994419>>32994513GG everyone is going to get insta headshot.ALL HAIL GODCHAMA
>IRyS not even 10k yetHoly fuck graduate this flop and give her vsinger spot to Enna already
who would win?
>>32994887Enna
>>32986648The idea he floated was "really cool doorstop"
>>32994801that's why redjuice is waiting, they are preparing the new model for enna
Laplus will probably start playing it now too btw
>>32994965Selling my pakocoin now to buy back the redjuicecoins I sold off
Actually saw the timestamp for the Altare thing, it's kind of bad. Like 5X worse than Ina's mild criticism during Guilty Gear. His manager needs to get him under control if he's gonna be playing competitive games a lot.
>>32994121We all know the NijiEN girls and none of them are really going for "fuckability" outside of, like, Rosemi or Pomu, and those are by accident.I guess there's, like, Finana? During that one ASMR stream? Or like, if you wanna fuck older women, Nina?
>>32995046the ina thing was wide among the lines of "you losers are watching anime girls".it was a direct attack to the bottom line, hilarous tho
>>32994965That's a great Idea! Trade Enna and IRyS' model
>>32987402Consistency is one of the easiest things to do as a streamer to help themselves grow and yet it's so hard for a lot of Hololive girls.
>>32995046If Vox is any indication women love being abused so he'll be fine
>>32995046share with the class
>>32995046No one except Ina gave a shit about what Ina said during GG, so I can't imagine that anyone would give a shit about this.Like, remember: Literally NO ONE knew what Ina was referring to when she apologized until AN HOUR OR SO LATER, and it was ONLY AFTER THAT when people started shitposting about "being offended by it."They literally had to hear Ina apologize before realizing they could baitpost with it.
>>32995181Yeah but that was said at 5-8am US times. That was towards SEA so it’s fine with me.
>>32994513She'll forget this "normie arc" after a couple weeks and do something totally fucked up (that she doesn't realize is fucked up).
>>32995196I don't know how to crosspost or link to timestamps. It's in the /mans/ thread.
battle of the agesaxel vs botw shrinesirys vs modern eraor what i would like to say... himbo hunt down puzzles like a pig truffles, pure instinct