/vtwbg/ - VTuber Worldbuilding General

[Anonymous No.]

Previous: >>31060519

What if your general was not just a thread but a nation, devoted to your oshi and their will? Enter this thread where the fanbases and generals of /vt/ are reimagined as countries interacting with each other through means peaceful and militant alike!

Land Relinquishment Edition

Interactive map:
https://vtwbg.github.io/

Introductory document for new anons:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-intro

CURRENT GOALS:
- Name Oceans and Seas, possibly make new names for continents
- Maps!
- NO TIMELOOPS
- Chuubanite doc

>Note that the map isn't set in stone.
>Greentexts of your generals' lore in /vt/ land are much appreciated.
>Flags made for the region your oshi rules over are also appreciated.
>Try to keep hornyposting, socposting and funposting to the absolute minimum until we hit the bump limit.
>Please refrain from posting if you are intoxicated.
>Ignore any trolls or falseflaggers. Report, hide and move on.

THREAD REP TRIPCODE:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-rep-trips

CLIMATE & TECTONICS POSTS (AIDS LORE/PLACEMENT):
Ocean Currents:
https://rentry.org/rvqz9
Weather Systems:
https://rentry.org/nnvbx
Climate Analysis:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-climate
Tectonic Plates and their Movements
https://rentry.org/dmkyc
Geologic Provinces:
https://rentry.org/ztaf99

FLAG POSTS:
https://rentry.org/ah74h

LORE ARCHIVE:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.]

Anchor post for any story/map/lore. Please reply here for archival purposes. Anchored posts in the last thread will be archived within a day.
If you will be using a rentry link, please use
>https://rentry.org/
instead of .co, as the latter is filtered as spam.
Thank you!
Please also report if there's outdated/missing lore in OP

[Anonymous No.]

Anchor post for issues to be voted on next time.

>>31061346
Next planned vote, to be started on Friday/Saturday

>Vote Results
https://rentry.org/b5gex (most recent)
https://rentry.org/44do6
https://rentry.org/np9ke
>Bylaws
https://rentry.org/kuygt
>Vote post archive
https://rentry.org/ofx2x

[Anonymous No.]

>CURRENT PROMPTS
Feel free to submit your own prompts to inspire others!
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-prompts
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>Special
The roster result for out /vtl/ team came out, see here: >>30042825
Music for the medals are also decided: >>30323043
The next round would decide the music for the team anthem, see the suggestions here: https://rentry.org/team-vtwbg
Submissions for your vocaroo in the WAR chant and billboards (must be 512x96 or 1024x196) are still ongoing.
Team Caretaker Trip Code: !p84LALNCrk

Last but not least, an anon stepped up and wanted to do a quick tourist's guide for the various nations of Vitubia! >>29911443
If you are up for it please submit a short text that introduce your nation by replying to this post.
More details in the rentry below.
https://rentry.org/ziuog

[Anonymous No.]

>Anchor post for the chuubanite concept.

PLEASE KEEP ALL CONCEPTS ON THE CONCEPTS OF CHUUBANITE TO THIS CONCEPT CHAIN. Anons who do not wish to see chuubanite concepts should hide this concept.

Current Concept: https://rentry.org/chuubanite (CIP)

Official Chuubanite Concept Concept: https://youtu.be/V83JR2IoI8k

[Anonymous No.]

>Anchor post for Ocean, Sea, and Continent naming discussion.
Post your maps here so we can see them and talk about them!
Also suggest names for them!

[AtlasAnon !p84LALNCrk No.]

ANTHEM POLLS ARE NOW LIVE!
https://strawpoll.com/polls/PKglzmBa4yp
https://strawpoll.com/polls/wby5l4YR7ZA

We have two polls for you guys to vote in here, one for our entrance anthem that plays at the start of the match and one for our victory anthem that plays after we win. Both polls use the same set of options, so keep that in mind and vote for the song you think best fits each circumstance.
Links to the anthem candidates can be found here: https://rentry.org/team-vtwbg#anthems Be sure to give them a listen before submitting your votes!

We are still accepting suggestions for chants, billboards (512x96), and more, so don't be afraid to keep pitching ideas!

[Anonymous No.]

ngl I'm actually kind of partial to the idea of removing loreless and repless countries off the map and only adding them when someone actually want to write lore for them

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31094206
I second this idea, no matter how upset people might get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31094206
I'm completely against it because it would make writing harder and most nations have at least a lore scrap anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31094388
>most nations have at least a lore scrap anyway
I mean if anything it makes the list of countries on the chopping board shorter

[Anonymous No.]

>>31094375
It feels like you'll second anything that will make people upset sometimes, Cunt.

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31094578
No, but really, that one change would prevent basically any future drama with borders, and would completely take away any need to carve up existing generals when new ones pop up.
And does it really make writing that much more difficult? Not like you can interact with repless nations in any meaningful way, and any trade deals you might want to have with them can simply be written to have been established in the past. Yea, you can't really write about who your neighboring nations are, but that's about the only downside I can see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31094901
To be fair, not being able to interact with repless countries also extends to neighbours

[Anonymous No.]

>>31094206
>>31094901
That just exchanges timeloops when we add new threads with timeloops whenever a new thread joins and we have to figure out their territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095129
We already do that whenever people from threads not on the map wants to join in

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31094901 me
The last few weeks have shown that the need of the nuefag generation to fill out the entire world with huge countries has only led to problems. I feel like this is something that we really need to consider going forward.
If we get a new rep, they can take a look at the map and draw up some borders while discussing it with the thread. Then a vote is held on which border should be Canon, and that is then drawn on the map.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095215
Yes, now imagine doing that basically every time a new thread joined. It just makes it worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095352
Is it really worse when the main timeloop of that process we've seen so far is whether and which existing threads we have to carve land from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095229
Wouldn't it be easier to just have a disclaimer that borders for unrepped nations are suggestions only and not official until repped or voted on? Blanking out 80% of the map would just look awful imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095229
The only problem with the last few weeks is that the new writers assumed their location was locked before it was. From now on, not doing this will be explained explicitly through the introduction document and bylaws.

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31095352
The main problem we had this time around was just that nobody really knew what we wanted to do. If we streamline the process, problems like this won't happen, or will at least be smaller.

>>31095446
I feel doing this would only invite problems. Because then there will be people saying "no taking away land from unrepped nations!" like they always are. Better to just wipe them all off, so each new nation that joins has a blank slate to work with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095428
No, it was about new writers making content according to unconfirmed borders. If they didn't do that, we would have simply voted in their borders and they'd have started writing with no issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095650
>no taking away land from unrepped nation
Literally no one is saying that except schizos. The bylaws explicitly say land for new threads will be taken from existing countries, this is something everyone who matters agrees on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31095736
So, to protect my own nation against landgrabs by the tyranny of the biggest voting bloc, I just need to become inactive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31096322
You mean active? Kind of yes

[Homeless Bread Dog No.]

Maybe the map could use more smaller details like rivers as natural barriers. Though those can be made when new nations are formed. Also my internet's back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31096551
A /meat/bro is working on it, but I think it has kind of been assumed that people can just put minor details in their countries as they see fit

[Homeless Bread Dog No.]

>>31096631
The rule of thumb with civilization is that every settlement begins with water, whether it be a river, lake, or an oasis. By settlements I mean permanent homes. You can have wandering nomadic tribes. They always come back to water. Same with animals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31098407
Guess /vnug/ is /hag/-aligned now

[Anonymous No.]

>>31099065
Damn, based...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31032509
https://sites.ualberta.ca/~urban/Projects/English/Content/Motif_Quick_Index.htm
Can be useful for people who need some inspirations on folklore and myths

[Anonymous No.]

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

PINK CAT COME HOME!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31104625
Cunt has left Vitubia, he's somewhere in space, watching false gods...

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31104708
AND HE'S HAVING THE TIMW OF HIS LIFE WATCHING A BANANA SUFFER!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31104850
Baka, that's clearly a puffin.

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31104912
That's a puffin 590 pulls deep...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31104978
Less than 600 to get all 6, not bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31104625
>>31104850
>>31104978
HERESY! He is able to interpret forbidden anti-knowledge! He has become a schizo now!

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

here is my trip

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31105034
>6
Lol
Lmao even
6th one was a token

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

>>31092411
mhm trip

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31105712
Oh, did you read up on last thread by any chance? We talked a bit about you and /V7/

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

>>31105772
yeah, ppanon has it right though about me. i will do it anyways, consequences be damned. i wouldn't care too much.

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31105809
Alright, just letting you know.

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

tell me what you think of the vfa i know that “oldfag” was just an anti but he gave good advice to be obnoxious about lore talk https://rentry.org/qo2we

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106159
I must ask if the Vulpes looks like this

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

>>31106238
I was inspired somewhat by the Frumentarii, not sure if they will have that kit but all of V7 are naturals at blending in. Maybe in ceremonies they dress like this

[Anonymous No.]

Gm!!! Another day another slay!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106552
Good morning!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106552
Morning dragoon!
>>31106582
Morning pal!

[Cunt !.Q010oIZDo No.]

>>31106552
Morning sweetie

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106582
>>31106629
>>31106639
Hi!!!!! I wish I could write more lore for you guys!!! But it's a bit hard to fit that into my day!!! Also I bought a fake nike air jordan without knowing it was fake so I'm a bit sad!!!!!

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31095229
I actually agree with this sentiment, and have thought about suggesting it myself for a while, but avoided it because there wasn't really any reason to.

I've ran a good number of Nation Builders on /qst/ and have been admin for a couple nation RP's and generally the "put borders on the map when it comes up" strategy seems to work. The only issue is restricting land size since people generally try to make their nation big. We should probably make some sort of "province map" and let new people pick 1 to 3 when they join the game, with any higher a number requiring them to give a convincing arguing as to why they should have a higher number. We should also at least keep a vague plan of what nations should go where. For example I think we should keep Hololive nations restricted to the Holocontinent and Nijinations restricted o the Nijicontinent.

We should also probably get some official rules about how to treat unrepped, and newly repped, territory. as it currently stands we're currently praying that no one breaks any of the unspoken gentlemans rules on these.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106843
Don't worry about it, just write at your own pace! Liora's daily streams are seriously cutting into my writing time

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31106552

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106843
Pfff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyR9jRohm0E&t=76s

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106843
Ey also, don't worry about it. Just you coming here back here is enough. Real life comes first anyway!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106859
Hmm, a province system would resolve my main reservation with regards to this idea, which is that we'd have to go through the pain of drawing new borders any time a nation is added (as well as "people just want big countries" thing).
Most straightforward would be to take existing borders and simply splitting larger countries in 2-3 (taking into account polar distortion).
Someone looking into what nations would fit the "repless, loreless" criteria would be a pre-requisite to getting this going.
Also, I knew you had some kind of previous writing experience... I was raised on quests too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31106877
Tyty!!!!
>spoiler
I couldn't even watch Selen's dishonored stream yesterday!!!!

>>31106967
;w; they're really fake!!!

>>31107047
Maybe it is!!! But I don't want to pollute this general with funposting!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31107141
Mate, I have never seen you funpost. Like fuck, I doubt anyone would even notice if you exclusively funposted with how little you post on here kek. It only becomes a problem when people like me do it lol.
Also, as the guardian deity of funposting I give you a free pass for three(3) funposts per thread(Ignoring the bump limit)

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>31106859
>The only issue is restricting land size since people generally try to make their nation big.
Well, we could solve this by giving the new rep let's say a week to come up with borders, updating us on each new iteration so the thread can give feedback on it, and if the land is really too big, we can just say no. And if having smaller land is what makes them rage and leave, nothing of value was lost.
I do agree with the province idea though, would be a fun thing to do, break up the map completely into smaller chunks the new reps can choose from.
And yea, there should still be "some" order, holos would go on the holo continent, nijis on the nijicontinent, and so forth. But I would suggest that that would be it as for the limitations, within those continental borders, a rep can choose any spot he wants. So we aren't forcing all the ID's into a single corner for example, and neighbours wouldn't always be of threads that have similar fanbases. Would lead to some interesting lore imo.

As for the rules, it should really be a combined effort, similar to the chuubanite rework we did, so we can really get solid rules down that everyone can agree on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31107407
I'll let you have this one darling, you haven't been getting many WAR word clouds lately <3

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31107105
Oh really? did you ever play any of the old Librarian Evo quests? I think that thread is where I learnt 90% of my art skills. pic related.

ANYWAY ignoring the friendly talk I agree with gist of what you just said. Break up larger, currently unprepped, nations into 3 smaller territories and have that be the Province map.

think Loreless is a better definition than repless. If we were basing this one whether countries currently have reps KFP would probably end up being broken up and partitioned the moment I go back to university, in spite of all the writing it currently has.

Loreless should be defined as any nation that doesn't have enough currently relevant lore to cement it as a nation with a place on the map. This is kind of a nebulous definition, but I feel like most people can probably tell or feel when a nation fits this requirement enough that we don't disagree on it too much. If there are disagreements when Eh~ put it to a vote

>>31107559
Yeah I think we should probably give the "Unrepped Question" some time before we start voting and rabbling over how we treat them. I don't think it'd be a massive issue though. No ones clamoring to write about their conquest of the Oshi-less spear chucking goyim yet. It would be a good idea however to come up with a system for how people SHOULD talk to said goys before such a thing happens though.

[Anonymous No.]

Word cloud for last bread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31107850
Why is my bread black...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31107752
No, but I dig spec evo stuff profoundly, so I'll have to look into that. My stomping grounds were those generic fighty man RPG quests, nation building quests often required too much brainpower on my part, with a few exceptions. I still follow a few quests on /qst/ and spacebattles.
I had using both repless and loreless as the criteria in mind, to cover the edge case of a thread who just got a rep but hasn't put down any lore yet, I agree using only repless as a criterion would be pretty destructive. Generals going through periods of all their reps being MIA is relatively common.
I think the big question is whether nations who only have a ~200 word lore scrap and a flag qualify as loreless, because a lot of generals are in that category iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108131
Nations with lore scraps should be considered loreless but we also have cases like /ggg/, where it has some requirements for its placement and has been referenced in multiple stories already. I do think the province idea should work. But some nations also need to remain where they are just with their size shrunk down by partitioning them into those provinces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108332
There's also a bit of weirdness where it feels like there's been a fair amount of worldbuilding and lore creation done on /ggg/, but the rep did not have it added to the archive doc, so looking just at the google doc is misleading... We'll have to be really thoughtful about this and make sure anons knowledgeable about the general's history review the list carefully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108485
Well we only have a handful of interested but now MIA anons before Pomerlane Anon and others joined. It should be pretty easy to keep a tally on those nations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108131
>I think the big question is whether nations who only have a ~200 word lore scrap and a flag qualify as loreless, because a lot of generals are in that category iirc.
Personally I would consider those nations loreless, for the purposes of making their land unclaimed territory. Scraps and flags and other small entries would of course stay in the archives just so if a rep comes around for that nation, he at least has some ideas to fall back on, but their land claim should go away till said rep comes around.

>>31108332
That is another point we would have to consider. Nations that were already referenced in past stories should have some requirements to fill out, and we would have to compile a complete list of said mentions. Off the top of my head, I can think of ggg, as you said, and matsuri having a rivalry with luna(?)

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31108131
>>31108332
>>31108485
Yeah I think we should really go through each thread and deal with them individually on a case by case basis. It won't be an in and out process but I don't imagine it'll take super long.

Also this is going to sound weird and wishy washy but I kinda don't like the idea of /ggg/ being shrunk. Chumbuds are the largest fanbase, so it makes sense having /ggg/ be big. But that's just me. If I get outvoted on the issue then I'll rescind my case.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

also can Metal Cocks and Meat Clocks be moved to the official /KFP/ lore canon on the caveat that its I clarify that the story takes place about a decade in the future from the current setting, or is it just too outlandish to be made official?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108646
There's also the issue that chumbuds would likely be some sort of fish people not matter if touristbud comes back. If so then there's a chance there isn't much point for /ggg/ to own so much because their biology literally prevents them from occupying and controlling so much land. But I do tend to agree that /ggg/ should be relatively big or have some elements in its lore to reflect the large fan base on its board (so maybe they live very densely or something). So for that reason the shrinkage should probably be smaller for some nations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108566
/HiRyS/ also has a bit of a rivalry with /morig/, /rbc/, /rrat/, /hoshiyomia/ are all referred to based on location in stories (/who/ and /nasa/ lore), /hfz/ (/meat/ story) as well, /ahoy/ (/meat/suner story), /voms/ (/inf/ story), /kson/, /ppt/ (/morig/ and /luna/ story).
The location of those countries are all used in a story at some point.
>>31108839
Several creative solutions to this were explored while chumbud rep was active, should probably have been archived. I'd be of the mind that /ggg/ should keep its huge India-sized country as well.
>>31108802
I assumed it was already canon. Do you foresee your clockwork mechs being a balance issue? As long as they're constrained by the physics running them I think it should be fine...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31108802
>Metal Cocks and Meat Clocks
I'm sorry could you repeat that?

>>31108839
Basing land size on fanbase size on this board is a can of worms even I don't wanna touch. If we are talking about just regular fanbase in general, then yea, maybe, but it would still lead to more problems than we could handle I feel. Last thing I want is for this to become like #. Ugh, I feel dirty just typing that...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109099
I don't think countries should scale with IP count, in fact I think there should be no correlation between the two whatsoever. /ggg/'s fanbase bigness is almost a meme though (biggest sub count in the world), which is why in this instance it feels right to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109099
The typo might have affected the clarity of my post but I was referring to the size of fanbase on this board. I do agree there shouldn't be any sort of algorithm to figure out how much each nation should own based on their channel CCV, posts per hour or whatever. But I do think the poster population should be a (minor) factor in how much land each nation should roughly have. And as I said there are still ways to represent that with alternate ways like the nation having a higher than normal population density.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109198
Well, personally I am ok with it, as long as it wouldn't snowball into pure nomberfagging. If in the eventual vote thread decides that /ggg/ should occupy more land just for the memes, it's all cool. Hell, I personally was talking with Touristbud about reducing the overall "land" of the current /ggg/ anyway, to accomodate the more aquatic lifestyle of the shrimps and chumbuds (and pajeets).

>>31109319
Yea, in the end it would be a case by case situation that we would have to talk over with each new rep that comes in.

Really liking that a potential major change like this is being seriously discussed btw, I was honestly kinda afraid to present it to the thread over the last couple of days (even if a different anon beat me to the punch in the end) because I felt it would just be taken as complete shitposting from my side again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109015
hfz - meat seems more like a friendly rivalry
one culture likes to fight
the other enjoys violence

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109554
You're correct. I wasn't commenting on their relation, just saying their position was referred to in a canon story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109503
>reducing the overall "land" of the current /ggg/
Same. Imo /ggg/ should either own only just the coasts or small pockets. These small pieces of land represent their transitional territories for chumbuds that want to move to terrestrial environments and as sites of diplomacy and trade with land dwellers. The true /ggg/ border is beneath the briney waves

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

>>31092480
https://rentry.org/Senatus-Civitas-Zetanus
V7 lore. Tell me what everyone thinks as i just did the Government.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109692
I wouldn't want to make that decision for the potential chumbud rep. Touristbud wanted to make use of this land by making it more aquatic through lakes and such.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

Let's not base landmass on fanbase on the board or in general, as while in principle I would be willing to go back in time to think over the borders again, this is a poor decision in my opinion as it really screws over non-holo threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109783
Shit, we should definitely scale country area 1:1 to sub count. jk

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109692
Actually, it was more like this. Keep the borders, just erode a lot of it away and make large rivers deep inland.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31109015
I don't think they will be. They do run on IRL physics; they're based off of a real world thing.
https://youtu.be/hnu9S9zzoLw

>>31109099
Title of the story I'm currently writing. Yes I know the name is kind of dumb but you come up with a better title.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109783
Which is why I said it should only be a minor factor. Cases like /mans/ also exist, where it's really fast but their writers chose to place it on a relatively small island with also a likely smaller population. It's just something that needs to be considered when redrawing the borders. Unless their writer specified, I don't think it's good to have threads like /awat/ be smaller than most when it's pretty active and with the board practically crawling with teamates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109868
Then I think that should be fine, as long as the power level is more similar to Leonardo Davinci tanks than WW1 landships. Should be kino, gyroscopic effects are cool. https://youtu.be/n_6p-1J551Y
Certainly not more unbalanced than the wacky magitech bullshit I've got planned.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31110063
At the end of the day, it should be up to the writer imo. Not every nation needs to be huge to represent a large population and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110182
yup
for some reason there's this mentality that you need to be big
while irl there are city states and small nations with lots of influence

[Anonymous No.]

>>31109847
why destroy existing land when there's plenty of huge waters around it?
seems redundant dont you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110333
The idea was that the continental shelf remains the same, the water is sorta shallow for most of the surface where /ggg/ land was.
There was a more recent map that looked a bit better though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110333
To keep the general area of influence around the same. Both me and Touristbud agreed on this being the best course of action for accomodating their unique biology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110333
>>31110435
There was also this which worked better imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110512
Oh don't remind me of my first draft(which this is drawn on) kek. Now THAT one took a lot of land from them!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110701
kek yeah, a bit excessive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31094375
>>31094388
If we told the threads that were losing land that a different thread was going to take the land, I dont see why not

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110799
>going unprompted into repless threads to talk about vtwbg
I thought we agreed not to do that anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110409
>>31110512
>>31110701
>>31110799
The best decision would be to just leave the land untouched
/ggg/ doesnt need mountains and jungles, they just want the seas so they can move their territory into the surrounding sea but on the map it's shown as pockets on the coast
The remaining unused land can now be given away to more threads, and with the inevitable news of EN3 looming near, we need to trim some redundant fat like in pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>31110799
Nah buddy, we don't containment break here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111034
Nah, I disagree. We can find space for EN3 elsewhere, unless one of them is particularly related to Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111034
>and with the inevitable news of EN3 looming near, we need to trim some redundant fat like in pic related
Precisely why we are talking about just breaking up unrepped nations into smaller chunks and making them unclaimed land, so when a new rep comes in, he can choose the location and which chunks he wants. There is no point in having the entire map filled out and have each country be huge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111112
Damn, I was really close to a nice get for /vtwbg/...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111128
>>31111112
Bringing up my proposal on the /ggg/ situation
Getting rid of perfectly unused territory to make way for more water is extremely redundant

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111230
There is no /ggg/ situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111292
There is no situation but it is a protocol being for when the time comes

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111230
>>31110701
>>31110512
>>31109847
Shouldnt we ask meatbro about this? since he made the maps

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111467
None of these are canon or currently relevant, we're just discussing old threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111467
You just replied to me >>31111230 (me)

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111533
oh....

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111230
Since the exact nature of the chumbud society wasn't canonized by touristbud, I wouldn't feel comfortable constraining any future chumbud writer to only having coasts...

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31092841
My Proposal so far. Get rid of most of the sea names and I have proposals for oceans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111713
But if they want their society to be under the sea the lack of land is not a big deal. They would treated as assets rather than 'precious lebensraum clay'

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111713
And we are not. It would be presented to him, but it would be completely within his right to request a different layout for /ggg/ on the map.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111812
Mate, you are missing the point that touristbud's society is not canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111812
That isn't set in stone.
>>31111819
Then, considering this possibility is perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111756
I've been meaning to comment don't he for a bit. Where in the world are you and mepper getting Alivirian from? It's Ailivian, for Ai + live.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31111869
Meppers map, unironically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111899
french dyslexia...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111861
>>31111846
Alright. I'll back down from this argument.
I'm just really upset because of the 'Anon wants an underwater society? Just sink an entire subcontinent when you're already surrounded by water' ideas

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112039
The other anons are forgetting that touristbud actually wanted some chumbuds to live on land, too. Only the isolationist buds were going to live underwater.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

OK, so going off ppsenpai, I have my own ideas locally...

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31112214
I also want this island...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112266
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112172
>Only the isolationist buds were going to live underwater.
Deep underwater* He actually planned to have various different societies based on where they lived (inland, shores, shallow sea, deep sea)

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31112286
because i wanted something like the azores and meat has something bigger near holo. is that an issue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112332
should go to infinity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112332
It's just that the island is owned by Anya-Petra I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112332
It seems like it would belong to Any-petra general instead. If people can just grab random islands thousands of kilometers away for no reason, shit is gonna get chaotic. meat got that island next to /ggg/ for lore reasons, gura did a few /meat/ streams.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31112383
Well, the only reason i said i wanted it so map anon didn't have to create one for me that would be the same thing basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112426
Or maybe you could not have an island colony thousands of kilometers away from your country?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112402
That's fucking retarded logic and you know it. The reason was so meat could raid that area.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112496
That's a second reason. Neither seems particularly retarded, it's certainly better than no logic at all.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31112481
What is wrong with having an island in the middle of the ocean when I am a naval power? It doesn't have to be that island!!! I just wanted to save map anon time because i wanted something like that in the heavenly sea as a resupply base.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112561
Why not make an agreement with a nation in that region to have a resupply base there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112402
>>31112481
Im not against having far colonies if theyre based off historical possibility
Like Christmas Island and Falklands.
/meat/ and its island is like Denmark and Iceland
Having it be like Spain and Azores/Canary is fine
Just need to check whether someone else isnt using it first

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31112591
I would prefer it to be south here anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112630
I just feel like if /2434/ has that, then all the naval nations are gonna want one, and half the threads are naval nations. Seems like a can of worms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112537
>2434 is a naval power
>wanting something like the Azores makes perfect sense for them
>no logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112481
>>31112496
Rather than nations just owning islands like real-life colonial empires I do think it would be better to have the general port of calls on islands being owned or co-owned by nations naer that general area. It depends on the maritime technology and history of each nation but I am very against nations having territory outside than those in their mainland. I can't actually remember when /meat/ "claimed" that island. If enough anons object to it I think it should be altered to be historical territory, one that was lost after the great /meat/-/morig/ war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112663
Nice middle point for resupplying trading and war vessels on their way to and from indie continent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112703
/2434/ gave a major island to ahoy with nothing back, so in this instance, it should be fine with that considered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112703
I don't think naval nations wanting tiny islands is really a can of worms in any way. Map 3.0 already adds a lot of new small islands, existing nations claiming some of them doesn't seem like a big deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112726
See >>31112703
>>31112756
I agree with this.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31112771
That was kind of the idea. It also helps make sense of resupply with the story with sol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112797
Oooo, Don't let pixelchama hear this, remember /ahoy/ gave them that little spot they had on the nijicontinent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112893
That little spot was bigger than the island, btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112922
I know, but silence now child, lest you wake the dreaded pixelchama!

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

For the record, 2434 did lose that is land (fuck spam) to ahoy with no compensation to them for it. In this context, if they want something like the azores, it shouldn't be an issue with that considered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112893
I forgot about the anon who counted every pixel and claimed ahoy was losing 2/3s of all their land...

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31112893
>>31112922
>>31112956
>>31112993
Man, I hated that discussion so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112986
It went to their ally Lazulight. Also, that was an exchange of lands, not a landgrab on territory of unclear allegiance, it's not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112993
>>31113043
I didn't even participate and I had second hand pain from that discussion...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112756
>I can't actually remember when /meat/ "claimed" that island
It was our first claim when the map was just one continent.
When more continents are added, someone proposed we should move onto continental land instead.
But since the old island was also within range, we decided to keep it. Not without appropriate reasons and precedents.
There were 3 arguments.
1. We are inspired by Viking culture so it would be our proof of sailing far similarly to the Norse going all the way to Greenland.
2. It can be used as a forward base for our raid activities.
3. The idea of us spreading cults everywhere would meant that we need some network logistics. That island acts as a mediator for cult chapters in the main Hololive sphere.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31112663
Anyways, I approve of the two sea names proposed and I also want to add the idea of the Northern Ocean being named the Airian Ocean after Airi, one of the pioneers in the industry.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

I'm willing to allow 2434 to have a small Azores esque island as compensation, but only because its compensation.

I'd rather not have naval nations (apparently everyone except me) randomly adding or claiming islands, especially not without writing relevant lore for its there's.

More than anything because it'll just encourage lazy writing and isolationist diplomacy. Why interact with another nation to come to a diplomatic agreement that could help flesh out the setting when you could just retroactively add or claim and island and not have to write anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112663
No
*banishes you to Bizarro Vitubia*

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31113068
Cmon man, I am the LazuLight rep and I can tell you that Ahoy benefits far more with that Island than they would with the exclave.
>>31113148
Interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113250
That seems like a point that would indicate you'd be biased in your evaluation.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31113230
I do not have a naval nation kek. Land power. haha, mep, mhm, and yeah aren't either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113148
Then it's because I joined after that. All good. And from the sounds of it it should be pretty underdeveloped so it can't support a mainland invasion, at least not altering anyone on the Holo Continent so there shouldn't be many objections.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113240
>Duchy
>As big as an empire
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31113300
Do tell me how an exclave that no natural means of defense has is better than an island ideal for raiding. Leaving alliances out of this completely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113230
I'm against them taking the island for those exact reasons, as well as because the compensation argument is silly, given the island transfer was compensated indirectly through their ally getting more land in exchange, and because that happened months ago and they never seemed to need compensation until now, and I don't see why probably anya-petra should be the ones compensating them...

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31113230
i want to be clear that this is all i want like this. i am not in favor of claiming random island around the world because i have and will still make deals. this also helps me make the phase war more logical.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31113419
I don't want that island, it was me asking and I see the point. I showed where i would like an island.>>31112663
And if you think this is because i never had the need, well I just didn't know i could make a request.
To be clear:
>I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING FROM ANYA PETRA

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113240
MY MIND CANNOT COMPREHEND

[Anonymous No.]

wahmap preview. tell me what you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113311
Just beacuse they aren't a naval nation doesn't mean they don't have some relatively close by islands settled before /2434/ found it. Again, depends on how maritime technology spread in the world. There might also be factors which made exploring difficult for /2434/ for an island so far away. Was it too focused on a war with /ahoy/? Or trade relations made it neglect the North? Sea winds, and currents also play a big part in how people explored the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113526
Wouldn't it make more narrative sense for /2434/ to have to deal with the logistic challenges of holding territory an ocean away instead of inventing a convenient solution to the problem?

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31113588
What does that have anything to do with what I said? I was refering to LazuLight, not Anya-Petra which has been resolved because 2434 clarified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113586
Not good with geography and maps but rivers can probably do with more minor branches

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113615
Or perhaps you could try to strike a deal with /inf/ to be allowed to resupply at their ports.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31113615
Was more refering to the first war as we had no naval base that made sense. second war will have even worse problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113586
Oh hey, Wahrep, I got a question for you. I know you and /mans/ rep already settled it, but what ARE your reasons for wanting that island, beside the whaling? Because if it's just that, damn, that will some apocalyptic scale whaling, lemme tell you waht(heh)!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113730
Well, for one, I like the way it looks on the 3.0 map. Secondly, I plan on having seamonsters around it and maybe make it something unique. I am still processing it.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

Also… i want to have a hurricane hit that island for a story (not anya petra, the one o requested) because its right in hurricane alley

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31113915
Would be super cool if a volcano was on it too!!! Island chain not island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113915
You seem to be taking on a lot of projects at once. Make sure you don't bite off more than you can chew and burn out on the project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113915
>>31113988
Give the land comp, your reasoning and the story elements, i think its a good idea.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31113311
Don't worry friend I was just being Hyperbolic

>>31113434
That's fair then. We can put it to a vote and say this is a super special one off because of what happened with Ahoy and agree something like this will not happen again.

>>31113419
Once again we'll put it to a vote.
Also "an ally got land from the deal" isn't really compensation. If we cast this as a one off then it really shouldn't be an issue. If you're really so worried that this one off will cause that big an issue though then we could add a clause that says if Alice doesn't write a reflective amount of lore using the island we can retcon the change on the grounds of it encouraging lazy writing.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31114007
Well, other projects like the phase story is in hiatus because sol is in mourning, and the other ones are just developing. (Think i just have the KAG honestly and the watamelon thing) i like planning long term so some things i mention arent immediate

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114114
Also, the whole ahoy thing happened at their request, under their terms, and they campaigned for it... I think that whole argument doesn't hold water. We can just vote on giving /2434/ an island though. I do think this opens up the possibility of other nations just asking for islands in the middle of the ocean and if this passes, they should get them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114114
If its just an island chain like the azores, does it need a vote? Alice, can you show the location on the wrap around map. She also seems to have plans with this already too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113317
>it should be pretty underdeveloped so it can't support a mainland invasion
Yeah. In lore the island is pretty much a soft-power mercantile hub - /meat/lite Island; A small piece of /meat/ culture with a friendly face.
1. If any Holo civ wants to trade for exotic goods, they can go there for cocoa, glassworks, potteries, trinkets of /meat/ culture. It's also the place to get even more forbidden materials like non-perishable human based products (gall ointment, oils, blood-bone meal fertilizer).
2. Cultists in nearby regions (/kfp/, /wah/, /ggg/ etc) go there for religious matters. For the clergy-agents it's an intel network bureaucratic center, and for civilians it's a resupply depot for pilgrims on their way to /meat/ proper.
3. Visitors intrigued about /meat/ culture can get their babby's first ryona experience. Hot wax, piercings, blood bread, nothing too extreme
4. It helps maintain the 'raid'n'trade' policy. By having a beacon of 'if we become friends we'll stop raiding you and you can buy even more goods'

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114300
I think the caviate should be that they write lore about them.

[Anonymous No.]

https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#cult-of-wiowa
I added more about Wiowa. I think I like this blend of (relatively) obscure myth and potential in-universe influence also Lofi just started playing Witcher 3

[Anonymous No.]

Something like the azores isnt a big deal and considering she wants it in a hurricane zone and with a volcano, i fully support the lore kino.

[PP !VPFshGyIyE No.]

>>31113586
Nice.>>31114114
Naturally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31113240
Can someone compile all the 'bizarro /vt/' maps from the early days?
They can actually be used in-universe as 'outdated pre-Jannypocalypse maps' during the Dark Age of Containment before /vtwbg/ is founded

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

I propose that the Northern Ocean be named after one of the first in the genre, Ami Yamato, who started in 2011.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31114428
Nice work! Have any plans for a formal name btw?

[Anonymous No.]

Bizarro map 1
0 - 12 VTE
"For the peoples of /hlgg/ they still held the belief that the Nijis were living next door similarly to the old days of /jp/. They did not know that their neighbours have been exiled far-far away."

[Anonymous No.]

When /vsj+/ tried to claim an island in the middle of the sea we told them that wasn't a thing we did and they respected that. Took a single post instead of half a thread of arguing.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31114340
the vote is more than anything so that shit stirrers can't use this as fuel in the future by saying "I CANNUT BELEEEEEEB ALICE GOT THOSE ISLANDS!!! NO ONE WANTED IT!!!!! D:<" as well as so we don't accidentally set a poor president.
I'd rather not have map changes be able to be put through on the grounds that they're "not a big deal"

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114952
Alice is NOT claiming that island anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115014
Yeah, she wants a whole new one.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

i circled the general area on the wrapmap to show as requested.
>>31114952
Why do you think i am claiming an island????

[Anonymous No.]

Bizarro map 2
38 VTE
"Piecing together rumors and rrats they could gather of the outside world, /hlgg/ cartographers deemed that this entire new world is but a single continent. Why would they question it?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115048
A new one is totally different than the vsj case because that island belonged to ringo.
>>31115070
Fine with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115136
So, can any thread request an island be added to the map for them if they have a lore idea for it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115168
Sure, put it to a vote though and as Mountain said,
>only because its compensation.
>I'd rather not have naval nations (apparently everyone except me) randomly adding or claiming islands, especially not without writing relevant lore for its there's.

[Anonymous No.]

Bizarro map 3
247 VTE
"Some cultures believed that Antediluvian knowledge is a sin and all documents of the primordial world rot away. As a once might kingdom devolved into bickering tribes, even their view of the world, and concept of compass axis, is skewed."

[Anonymous No.]

>>31111869
Aliviran comes from Mepper's typo, the name is supposed to be Ailivian

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115251 (me)
And furthermore she explained exactly why she now brought it up
>And if you think this is because i never had the need, well I just didn't know i could make a request.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114874
what is the south named after btw?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31112756
I actually like this more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115328
Anon, the post you're responding to quite literally says it's supposed to be Ailivian.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31115419
The OG himself, the original virtual liver (vtuber doesn't work here for obvious reasons)
Max Headroom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115251
I don't think the compensation argument is valid due to >>31114300 If they didn't want this land exchange to be done and wanted further compensation for it, they should have laid that out in the proposal that they put to vote instead of holding it back as a gotcha to get a favor later. The whole situation was under their control.
>>31115334
Who said they could make a request? The /mans/ thing is an extreme case because the general was just about to shit itself over that whole mess.
Again, I think this >>31112756 is a fine solution to the problem.

[OGsuner !I18uq92BL. No.]

>>31093373
billboard idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115442
as someone else that wrote alivirian, i am just going to say that it is the ID dialect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115442
Anon, i'm confirming his point, and explaining where the Aliviran came from, not disagreeing with him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115478
Have you bothered to take a look at where it is btw.
>>31115070
think you are overthinking this as a case of malice when you say
>gotcha favor
Quite honestly, i want to know why you think this is malicious (you clearly do by the way you are wording this)

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31092588
poal vote to be set up for Alices islands to be voted on. I'll keep the vote open for until tomorrow at 23:00 Greenwich mean time (+00:00 GMT) at which point I'll count the votes and draw the verdict.

Alice, you are to make your case for why you feel you should have the islands added, as succinctly as possible in a reply to this post.
Same goes for anyone who is against the islands.

I'll open the poal at the start of next thread.
As with all my important posts I'll tag it with an image of my oshis massive trash compacter ass so people feel the need to look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that the 3.0 map has a ton of little islands already and map anon hasn't been able to get to the Nijinetural continent yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115704
Votes are meant to happen on Fridays and go on for 48 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115652
I don't think wanting the island is malicious. I think using the ahoy situation as an argument for it is very disingenuous and dishonest with regards to how that whole situation went down.
Regarding the island itself, I see why you want it, but if you get it for no reason other than wanting it, it means anyone can get one, and that just seems like it would make a mess of the map once everyone invents their island half an ocean away from their coast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115704
I like this vote anon better than sakuran already...

[OGsuner !I18uq92BL. No.]

>>31092701
>>31115487
fucking derp

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114911
For /vnug/? I toyed around with faux-Korean etymology a while ago, but I'm not too satisfied with it. I guess it'll stay /vnug/ until I figure out something good

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115887
> billboards (must be 512x96 or 1024x196) are still ongoing.
Even more of a derp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31115787
which is why I propose >>31112756
Lets set up the small and unclaimed islands in the middle of the ocean as neutral ports open to anyone, owned by no one, or controlled in equal parts by the surroundings nations.

I think having international ports like those could be potentially interesting, could give rise to some stories too.

Also, good afternoon vtwbg!

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31115781
>>31115704
alright. I'll be a bit busy on Friday, would it be okay if I started the vote today and keep it open until Monday 23:00 Greenwich meantime?

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31115704
My points for it:
>1. I did not know I could request a little island chain on the 3.0 map when the ahoy deal was made (I didn't want a big island as compensation obviously).
>2. This makes sense for my nation, a major naval power to have a small group of islands like the azores and for the purposes of lore; it allows me to make more sense of the first war with phase, allows me to have natural disasters like volcanos and typhoons hit the island and allows me to make more sense of trade and logistics in the region.
>3. To the case that this is powergaming, unprecedented or whatever. From my knowledge, the Heavenly Sea hasn't really had much work done on it in the 3.0 map nor has Nijilands. This isn't a gotcha favor as it is insultingly called, its just me wanting to flesh out nation lore better. I even plan on a unique culture being on the island chains. It would be located around here, which is in hurricane alley and on a plate line.

[OGsuner !I18uq92BL. No.]

>>31116018
so i have to resize image.....well shit

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31115787
That wasnt me

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116081
That should be fine. The main reason for that bylaw is to give reps a consistent voting schedule, allowing them to voice their opinions even if they don't have time to visit daily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116047 (me)
as clarification, im not >>31112756, im seconding his opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116047
I think that would be for the best, and fulfill all the lore needs /2434/ requires without causing issues with regards to colonial territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116083
You can't request an island chain. No one in the thread has ever requested an island chain.

[wahler !oCJfI/TEqg No.]

>>31116047
disagree with this notion considering the location provided isn't unreasonable and her plans as she just outlined sound fascinating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31107407
Oi waranon! ya eva been ta a WAAAGH! before!? let me tell ya why i fink ya would have some fun! a WAAAGH! iz a big WAR! where ya take all ‘da orks an’ ya go stomp'n an’ shoot'n an entire planet! den when ya destroy everything, ya get ‘n yer spacey ships an’ do it all ova again! WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

give me a moment to do my reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116323
She just said she wants to have a volcano on it and a typhoon hit it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116302
There are absolutely no rules stating this and a friendly reminder that meat claimed an island next to ggg for lore reasons too. This is also on the 3.0 map mind you

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116323
We can do both. If she wants a small volcanic island there thats fine by me as long as im given the same right when i want mine, but I still think having a bunch of neutral ports all around the map would be hella cool.

Maybe thats what /vtwbg/ would be in this world, a neutral entity that controls a few islands here and there, and allows all to dock there

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116302
>No one in the thread has ever requested an island chain
lol
lmao

[wahler !oCJfI/TEqg No.]

>>31116403
Which is why that is fascinating.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31116207
Cheers m8

>>31115786
Damn it why does Sanners get all the good sex art. I don't think you've posted a single image of her that I couldn't crank one out to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116513
Doesn't nasfaq already have a bunch of islands? in the holosea? Let's sit on the neutral island notion for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116560
Anon, if that is your threshold for fascinating, basically any tropical island will be fascinating, many of them have a volcanic origin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116585
Two words: Chocolate Goodness

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116651
>Shitting on someone for finding a lore idea cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116585
Because her design is pure SEX

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116634
He means those tiny islands far from the continents added in the 3.0 map, not just any island.

[wahler !oCJfI/TEqg No.]

>>31116651
I am sorry finding what she wants to do interesting. It's almost as if this is a worldbuilding general and I like volcanos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31092480
Noticed my rep forgot to anchor his lore stuff,wouldn't want him to lose the work he and his friend's worked on so I'm anchoring it for him. If the guy working on the kenzoku villian story is here I do want to know if he's making progress
https://rentry.org/bub4n

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116715
Who controls this one in lore? The area 2434 isn't that far away either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116870
Undefined. It would be closest to /mhm/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116302
I'm not against it...
Also bad news on the map guys
I accidentally messed up

[OrganicAnon !bym0984Tgg No.]

>>31114874
As the mhm rep, I support the names of the oceans and the provided seas, especially 6. since that would be close to us. (v7 but whatever)

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116634
spam filter hate

>>31116870
no clue

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31116686
>>31116706
TRUE. Its like she was fucking designed to make people (me) want to blow thick milky ropes all over her hot chocolate brown skin. Hashem the things these images are doing to me. Its too early in the day to get this horny...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117024
Care to show it, not voting on it now but just curious as to where.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117000
What happened anon? Did you delete the river layer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117034
Never too early to get horny for choco women :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117108
As you can see
I trimmed everything and overwritten the save
No more world map

[Mepper !AvkpUsvqyw No.]

I stand by my desicion to call it the Alivirian Sea. I will refer to it as that in lore, I will keep it named on my own maps as that, and I will not budge on it. But the world map can have the «correct» spelling.

[Mepper !AvkpUsvqyw No.]

>>31117226
And furthermore, I support alice on this completely and agree to all of the ocean names proposed by >>31114874

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117207
Oh shit... The most recent one I have is picrel, but obviously this doesn't have all the rivers you'd been working on, this sucks. PS doesn't keep backup copies? Something in the cache?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117226
Then what's the point of deciding on names for the seas at all if writers can just choose not to abide by them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117207
Mapanon... F for all your hard work

[wahler !oCJfI/TEqg No.]

>>31114874
wah supports this in conjunction with the others that just said, agreed earlier but forgot to mention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117346
To be quite honest, I've never really understood why we needed to vote on ocean names.

[Mepper !AvkpUsvqyw No.]

>>31117346
Because its our stupid language, ok. kek.

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31114874
2434 supports these ocean and the few sea names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117346
Simple. Official names makes it easy for anons to be on the same page in meta talks. In lore it doesn't really matter what people call them. In fact it makes more sense for some nations to not agree on what they are called.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31114874
If you look at the planet, the Yamato ocean doesn't exist in any meaningful way, that's just the Heavenly Ocean.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31117119
you monster....

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31117575
I am not the one who drew the ocean and sea lines. I personally think that the two northern seas are part of this ocean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117643
I'm terrible, aren't I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117085
On a second thought there is little to gain from the second location thus i left it unmarked, but somwehere in pic rel would be the idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>31062001
Don't miss out on this story! It's honestly criminal that it just got a couple of responses, while it's one of the best pieces this thread has produced in a while...
>>31065494
Good chapter, setting up the backdrop for things to come. I wonder if we'll see a bit of power struggle in the next chapters, or after the first expedition inevitably fails.
>>31078267
Believe me, it gets better after a while. The best way to teach it is sadly impossible to do online, since it involves cutting away most of the suits/honors and slowly introducing complexity. The thing is, a lot of things in Mahjong make sense once you see the full picture, but at the beginning you're bombarded with a ton of things you're unfamiliar with since you're essentially trying to learn Rummy without being familiar with the concept of a playing card deck.
>>31085804
If you need me for anything, I'm here now in case you have questions. Big fan of your work.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31117818
irrevocably, ontologically evil. I'm going to spend the rest of the day with a mind polluted by lewd thoughts about brown women.
don't stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>31078267
Forgot to respond. You should check https://rentry.org/5as3d more precisely the yaku cheatsheets at the top of the document

[Anonymous No.]

More work on wah map

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117847
Good morning! Definitely check out the Colderonie story, especially if you like seeing Kronies suffer. Power struggles are definitely on their way. As Freud said, everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power. Not really relevant, but typing this out amuses me.

[Anonymous No.]

So progress
I still have all the references and the completed save of my latest map with the same dimensions so I dont have to redo everything from scratch.
But sadly all the WIP layers are gone. Like river. Welp. Pain.
Good news, River layer was only around /ggg/ so I didn't lose a lot of work.
Bad news, I'm kinda bummed out about having to redraw all the details.
>>31117317
Sadly none. I've checked down to the Roaming folder. No backups. Because it was an intentional save overwrite.
>>31117350
No worries. Not the worst thing that happened to me today
1. University google account that I used for academic work stuff like Mendeley and Amazon AWS got deleted without warning. RIP to my VisualStudio and Unity projects.
2. A cat got tongue ulcer again.
3. I almost choked during lunch
4. I'm still having a fever after a week
I think you all know the saying by now.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31092480
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-useful-resources
Wasn't put into the docs, this should be under catalog

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117994
Ok since I can't post the titty drop obliterating Earth gif for whatever reason, just have this instead. Made by papa Pako himself. And with that, I take my leave for a few hours, gotta get some sleep before work. See ya later cunts!

vespieBro if you come on, gimme a shout, I need to talk to you about something...

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31118447
Sleep well Sanner friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>31118446
Thoughts on >>31101235?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31118190
I miss him and his retarded MPP takes so much it hurts.
>>31118352
I'll be waiting for the next chapter with great anticipation. Has /watamelon/ commented on the story yet?
>>31118446
Looks fairly useful, paint.net love. I think that you should add that asking thread for help when you're stuck with your lore, either your own thread or /vtwbg/, is encouraged and that some anons generally help in situations like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31118425
/meat/anon...

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31118711
I'll add it.

[PP !Ju8511RBaI No.]

>>31118719
This is more about useful resources honestly. albeit I want that in another rentry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31118425
/meat/ is suffering... Gambatte.
>>31118719
I'm gonna put together the Luna arctic base next, but I'll be back to this after. Watamelonanon comes in once in a while, but he approved of the 2nd chapter.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31118425
I believe at you meat anon. If the work load is really too much for you I'd be willing to take up some of the work myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116395
Sounds interesting
I'm gonna have to attend one soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>31119264
It's no biggie. The work load isn't much of a problem. It's that I have other things on my plate. Like cooking. I'm also designing a client's CV right now.

[Mountain Enjoyer !vS/GmFXt46 No.]

>>31120027
well regardless if you ever need help don't be afraid to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31118425
Take a short break if you have to. Fighto, MapAnon!

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

https://rentry.org/21stofAugust
It's almost time for the big battle, tell me what you think deadbeats and other friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31107238
Finally I can reply!!!!! I guess I just don't want to disrupt the general with unrelated conversations!!!!

>>31122162
Not a deadbeat but I like it!!! You have a very distinct kind of writing which I love!!!!

[Homeless Bread Dog No.]

I miss touristbud.

[Anonymous No.]

Wirh how the talk went earlier in regards to island i rather speak up now for the retro reich, there is a new one on the 3.0 map in the gulf near the entrance to the inner sea and i would like to claim it. I wanted to wait till a rep from the neighbors is here but i feel if i don't say anything now then it gets auto denied later

[Homeless Bread Dog No.]

Looks like /nasfaqg/ will be more simple to plan than I thought. It depends on how urbanized /nasfaqg/ is. It maybe a subtropoical Vennice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31125123
Venice is technically also subtropical, at least climate-wise

[Anonymous No.]

>>31117847
>>31064047
very happy to hear it was good to you guys!

>>31125123
Very urbanized, minute lemme go fish up my map

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31122797
Thank you! I just finished the battle. I will have to edit it later, but I am happy with it.

One more chapter after this, but this is the climax!!!!
https://rentry.org/21stofAugust
https://rentry.org/21stofAugust
https://rentry.org/21stofAugust
https://rentry.org/21stofAugust

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nt3VKKoQXs
My headcanon of what Alice is like

[Anonymous No.]

>>31122162
This is very nice and makes one pumped for the battle, only downside for me was the heavy use of names and places which made it a bit hard for me to keep in flow since i had to eeread bits to see what is what but i think thats more a personal issue of being bad with japanese words than your writing

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31125835
Those are names of ships, FYI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31125913
>Fellow shipnamerchad
BASED

[Homeless Bread Dog No.]

>>31125227
Map would be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you think Watamelon's raiders are like the Barbaries at the time?
Barbarossa is a gigachad. lights his own beard on fire for flair. The other barbaries are madlads too. Casually raiding iceland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126137
>towelheads raided Iceland for slaves
>Iceland in /vt/ is /meat/'s island
>/meat/ are still viking raiders
Oh shit barbaries vs vikings sounds kino af!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31116843
I have it linked within the reentry that's already anchored, so I didn't bother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126233
time to teach those upstarts how to do it properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126346
We have like... 5 raiding factions in a single sea now
>/meat/ vikings
>/ahoy/ pirates
>/nasfaqg/ privateers
>/watamelon/ barbaries
>/wah/lers
And the only maritime police is /morig/

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126442
The universe really just went and said this huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126442
>ywn get grand pirate confederacy vs /morig/ decisive battle kino
why even live

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

https://rentry.org/21stofAugust
It's over, the chains are broken and I am done the story for now but I will probably edit later and add more to the last chapter. Happy with how this turned out, tell me what you think!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126346
We've been talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126346
We've been talking about fattening and eating watame roasts for like 2 days now, /umami/ is ready for a feast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31126035
I didnt have them on my shitty laptop i had to go find them from the archives

>Map with place names
https://files.catbox.moe/r71jpk.png

>Map showing the heavily urbanized areas in orange
https://files.catbox.moe/ipqo34.jpg

>Map showing cities and some of the nature
https://files.catbox.moe/vfyi13.jpg

Most of the Home Island has been claimed for agriculture and industry decades ago, with only a little "true nature" existing at around Idelshire.
There are patchy forests remaining here and there interrupting the monotony of farmland and Plutocrat estates, and most of these forests are being used for forestry and lumber purposes. Or as hunting grounds for rich fucks.

The forests near Idelshire are closer to wild ones, and there is some swampland there as well. That area has lower population.

As you can see in the map, the shores of the Heartflow are the most urbanized areas of the serene republic, with the majority of the entire nation's population living there. Absolutely no wilderness exists within the orange areas, its all cities, towns, villages, and the farmland that separates them. As such, these areas would probably (im assuming) be entirely unusable for hunting anything that hasn't adapted to live alongside humanity.

Heartflow Coast is where most of the mining and logging industry is located. There is still farmland there, but not so much. The closer to the /ahoy/ border you get, the higher the elevation gets. Very hilly area.

Northern and Southern Territories are somewhat similar, except that the southern ones are colder than the northern ones. Southern territories also has more forests then the northern territories, which have, like the home island, been heavily claimed by agriculture.

Fishing is a very important source of food for nasfaqg as well. Southern Territories has a few sizeable fishing communities, but fishing is practiced all across the republic.

The Four Coins Archipelago (as well as the Lird's Wallet Island) are volcanic, and the former belong to a different climate zone (Tropical Monsoon) from the rest of the republic

Hope that helps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127189
Speaking of /umami/
Someone thought about hijacking this >>31104105

[Wahler !oCJfI/TEqg No.]

>>31126442
When did i become a pirate nation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127490
he probably confused 'hunting squids' to 'hunting people' kek

[PP !VPFshGyIyE No.]

>>31127015
Ok, i finished. Great characters. Great battle that needs a map, great ending that I know you probably rushed to get done just so you can revise it later. Probably the best big naval engagement written here so far. Great work sweetipie. Proud of how great of a writer you have became.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127315
nta but can i see the first map without names, if that exists

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127672
I unfortunately do not have it on my laptop, you'd have to wait for a few days for me to get back home so I can send you one without the names layer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127641
Thank you my prince!!! Mwh, lets cuddle kek

[alice !b4EqAalPrQ No.]

>>31127822
Not imposter either. Joking too

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127352
I am aware, it seems that some jannies are in conflict with each other. A post that announced they were reporting the last thread got deleted.
Anyways the cow trend is especially convenient since I've managed to convert some /meat/heads into watching Milky. By the way can you make cheese out of breast milk?

[PP !VPFshGyIyE No.]

>>31127822
>>31127897
Kek ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>31127964
>can you make cheese out of breastmilk
It can be done, but using human milk is a bit tricky since human milk has a different relative concentration of some of the important proteins.
Basically, you need more milk for the same amount of cheese as you would get from, say, cow's milk.

[alice !b4EqAalPrQ No.]

Im still upset about axia but how would i deal with this in world

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128098
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128036
Maybe a specifically orchestrated diet would aid in this, /meat/ and the kronies did have a relationship with one another and kronies are far more knowledgeable about the consumption and production of breast milk than /ag/ and /meat/. I seek to produce a great many products from our human cattle, in honor of this union.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128098
I dont know who that is or what you are talking about?

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31128520
>>31128612
Sorry i forgot this is a hololive board. Axia is a NijiJP liver who just went on indefinitely hiatus because of a fujo harrassing him. He also shit on fujos in his hiatus announcement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128566
>kronies provide the priestess
>architects provide the nutrients
>meatheads provide the... pain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128732
>i forgot this is a hololive board
As an indiefan I feel your pain, sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128741
Let us help with the marketing

[alice !5/2kkxYfkE No.]

>>31128798
yeah… i am not mad its expected.

[Anonymous No.]

Intergalactic Mommy Milkyshakes...

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128807
Company names? This could actually make serious dough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128732
Dont know honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>31128599
Early bread this time. Hop on in.

[Anonymous No.]

/haha/ has a great navy with two armed merchant boats built like 30 years ago!!!!!!!