/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>idol culture is...LE BAD

Where did all these "people" come from and why are they shitting up the board so much?

[Anonymous No.]

No matter how hard you try to argue, idol culture =/= unicorn faggotry

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
you're a minority

[Anonymous No.]

>Male vtubers are.....LE BAD!!!
Tempus proved this wrong so I'm starting to believe that /vt/'s been wrong about other things.

[Anonymous No.]

>noooo my sekret clubhouse hugbox

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685180
there he is again
What's your endgame? You were btfo pretty bad in the other thread, not sure why you'd just repeat yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
We've always been here. In my case I'm just more vocal. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.]

They're literally coordinating from a discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685277
> btfo
delusional even in the defeat

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
seems the opposite to me, why are unicorns throwing a fit?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that unicorns are just 1% of the fanbase, they're just a really vocal minority. even if they donate a little more, it's just bonus money.
at the end of the day they're overwhelmed by memberships and sponsors.

[Anonymous No.]

It's the same people who'd rather throw a fit about Japanese people drawing lolisho than admit their country has an actual problem molesting children

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685550
That's really nice of the girls to continue to not acknowledge men of their own free choice then!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
sage

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
'Idol culture' does not equal being a unicorn no matter how desperately you try to conflate the two

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Idol culture is good for people who like idols and women who want to play the role of an idol.
Idol culture is bad for people who want to force the role of an idol on women who don't want to play the role of an idol.
If there's people who do not communicate this requirement or relationship correctly, both of them are going to be unhappy. Don't do it.

Also, falling in love with celebrities is ok, and everyone's done it at a point. You just have to understand it's make-believe. The celebrities have lives and husbands/wives. Keep it fun, don't be a creep.

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>>30685087
Fuck off, Idol culture is pretty shit & attracts the worst of the worst. Just look at how these women and men end up if they missteps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685550
unicorns literally buy evey merch pack... 10 times, they are x10 times worth a basic member, and 100 a greyname

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685389
>defeat
is that why you didn't reply anymore in the other thread? Once again you'll never matter. Numbers and money talk and you provide neither.

I bet you won't even watch the male collabs you've begged so much for.

[Anonymous No.]

>anti-idol discord comes here to simp for whores with boyfriends
just start posting wojacks already, we know you want to

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685135
>>30685180
>>30685240
>>30685241
>>30685316
>>30685389
>>30685449
>>30685550
>>30685765
>>30685790
>>30685834
Post superchats

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>>30685087
I think there's a raid going on right now or something. It's pretty pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
I dunno man, when I see a bunch of male fans lose their shit over a woman Vtuber DMing a dude, I start to suspect.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure is reddit in here

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685277
No he wasn't, he's right. Deranged unicorns are a minority of the EN fandom

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
That's the point. They don't misstep because they're better than you, you roastie whore.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Nazuna is literally my wife and anons oshi is literally his wife(if that's what he wants) and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685765
You don't even know what the term "unicorn" means tourist. I hope you get raped and thrown in a ditch..

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685848
Don't act as if the English fandom and the Japanese fandom are the same. Most of Hololive's fans are normies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Mori won.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
/vt/ was always against unicorns though, first time leaving /ggg/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685180
Guys are less attracted to whores. Get over it, roastie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685915
I would , but jannies remove them.

[Anonymous No.]

Every single tempiss member should be fired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685550
Did you forget about nyanners losing 2/3rds of her subs and half her audience when she announced her boyfriend? I don't care about unicornfaggotry all that much but it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of unicorns in denial even for fucking nyanners.

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>>30686180
Why are you pretending as if you've been here for any meaningful amount of time?
/vt/ was never against unicorns. This is literally the Hololive board, you insufferable cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685977
I think I've spent like... 65 euros in 3 years or something and all of them have been trolling in one way or another. At least the trolling was not mean though. I think.
t: >>30685790

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686246
because she wasn't streaming, now it's normalized

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686180
Kek, eys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686124
Do you prefer the term incel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685765
idols don't have sex while they're an idol no matter how much you wish they would so you can feel "empowered".

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686142
normies don't buy voice packs, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686417
They do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685977
I will never pay anyone anything if I don’t get anything from it.
>>30686035
I’m a man faggot, your favorite idol will probably end up painting her ceiling anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686350
That's still not what it means, you ignorant bitch.
You don't even know your own body count, slut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686246

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686480
I'm a man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686480
Please go outside and get some fresh air

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686514
Cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>idol culture le bad!
GOD I WISH HOLOLIVE HAVE ACTUAL IDOL CULTURE SO THEY CAN STREAM MORE

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
wasn't even laplus and suisei shitting on unicorns though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>Nijifans
>twitch indies
>discord trannies
.>Reddit take your pick

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686571
You'll never be loved because the men in your life won't ever respect you. They see you as pussy and nothing else. You will never feel emotionally close to another human being in a way that is meaningful to you until the day you die.

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>>30686743
that's some nice projection

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685241
>hugbox

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686649
Laplus literally said she hates seeing the opposite sex interact with her oshi.
Suisei said she doesn't want gachikoi because she can't feel that way about anyone.
Where are you tourists coming from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
So I think it's probably Mori's anti-idol discord coming here to white knight her and shit on "idol culture" because she just released her schedule and she's basically going to be spending the entire week sucking off tempus on stream.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/JyqWgCuBk_U
Oh no Bros we got too cocky!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685550
Those poor helpless women need (you) to save them from those big, strong and mean unicorns. Will you be their knight in shining armour, Anon?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder for unicorns that you are the brown guy shitting up this hobby. Adapt or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
Yeah, it's not like they wanted to join an idol company, right!? right!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
sora has had literally 100+ collabs with males in the past no ones canceling her either,
my point is....
no unicorn watches streams, all the schizo posters are literally dramafags who don't give a shit to the point where i'm arguing with them for fun since its hilarious when i can link a clip to disprove them instantly when they sperg about being 2/3 of hololive's income but since they don't watch streams they get dumbfounded.
but my point still stands,
unicorns are a minority, you are all irrelevant schizos, indie fans are a
the silent majority that doesn't stray out of their threads and unicorns are all retarded schizos who needs to go back to >>>/jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>Where
Drama channels and vtweeters
>Why
Twitter mentality

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686738
Nice meme arrows, you sure showed him

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686992
Didn't this whore just get outed as lying about being a virgin the other day?
If so, why are you posting this manipulative bitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
They are seething their oshis will collab with males and mine isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
You're mistaken. Idol culture is good. "Idol culture" is bad.

Stop pretending that GFE-ridden bullshit is idol culture. It has always been a out inspiring people to do better than what they were yesterday.

LoveLive isn't real.

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>>30687235
Yours did with pewds though

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687235

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687165
You're the one who doesn't watch streams, faggot.
Sora doesn't do one-on-one collabs with males. She does promotions on behalf of Hololive that sometimes require her to interact with males. She's nothing but professional in those situations, so no one really minds. Also, there have been nowhere near "100+" you larping piece of shit.
You're literally coming in here and trying to rewrite the things we like to suit your own tastes. I honestly hope you die a slow, gruesome, and painful death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687315
lol, she didn't even think that was the real pewdipie the one time he posted in her chat. She didn't even respond to him. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686359
>>30686246
>>30685087
How is collaborating with a coworker the same as having sex with them or having a bf? Flesh idols do it all the time you insecure idiots

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
seething femoids who want to be able to have a boyfriend and a career where they provide company for lonely men and women

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687464
You must be a thread reader because you missed the stream where she built a shrine to him and roleplayed collabing with the e-celeb and you fags thinks it's somehow better

[Anonymous No.]

Improve yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687475
I'm just pointing out how unicorns are more common than you think. I don't have a problem with live x stars collabs as long as its an infrequent occurance and it's pretty obvious that it will be that way cause cover still separates the two branches and just lets the talents do what they want within reason basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687475
No man wants to watch the girl they love have more fun with another guy than they do with them, unless they're a cuck.

Eat shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686743
>Being emotionally close to women
>Respecting them
Simp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>he thinks idol culture is subhuman e-girl culture
oh no
its retarded...

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687810
>>30687947
go back to discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687541
Oh, you're talking about the Youtuber simulator game. I thought you were talking about the time Pewdiepie literally posted in Gura's chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Because most men are weak willed losers. And they have porn addictions and therefore cuckold fetishes. They will deny this.

That's why HoloJP is right there waiting for you, bros. Just say no to western whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688046
You're the tourist that isn't welcome here. This is literally the Hololive board. That's not even a joke. It was created specifically as a containment board for Hololive EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
I don't care, we'll chase you incels out of everything you like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Twitter, Discord, CrystalCafe, Tumblr, FurAffinity, you name it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686460
That's why your opinion doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688065
> ignoring that even some JPs said gachikois are disgusting
sasuga

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688132
I come here specifically to antagonize your ilk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688201
>some
Some

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687974
>doesn't want to find a partner
>doesn't want to raise a family
>only wants to get laid and fuck as many worthless whores as he can.
I take it back, you're not a cuck. You're literally worse than a cuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Sorry grandpa, we live in the age of unity for Vtubers, all genders welcome and any culture that combats the future is simply evil

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688065
What? Holojp has been collabing with the guys way before EN was a thing. I don't think you watch either

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688158
You won't, but also, why?
Why obsess over people you assume can't get laid, if that's your reason? Why try and take the thing that makes them happy away from them?

[Anonymous No.]

jesus, does /vt/ overlaps with /pol/ and /r9k/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685240
>he fell for the Tempus good propaganda

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688386
Some of them do. Not very many at all. And I can't possibly watch every single JP girls stream. And neither can you. You're coping hard. Come back to HoloJP, anon. Ditch the whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688486
Already confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687947
Do you watch Andrew tate too? I'm not in love with them and they're not my gf but even if they were I wouldn't spazz out if they had fun with another dude doing something trivial as playing video games

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688504
Your script isn't making much sense. You can say the same exact thing about EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
They came from china, as most "people" do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688486
it mostly overlaps with reddit posters, such as you

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686459
>greyniggers who don't even buy 5$/month membership buys voice packs

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688480
Because they try to put SJW each other to appear as unique as possible even though they're drones. It's the only thing that gives meaning to a miserable existence. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688158
I don't think you understand. The incels are the unicorns (brown guy) chasing out the original fans. Or perhaps you're just baiting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686232
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685790
Idol culture is never bad. "I want the benefits of idol culture without the restrictions of being an idol" is the only problem. Vtubers/streamers seem especially prone to this prevarication, which leads fans to confronting and policing them (at which point ignorant onlookers blame the fans for seeming controlling).
And no, idols aren't the same as celebrities. If they were, women would have no reason not to embrace the role.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687947
How about less incel love, and more supportive love, that might help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688486
> /pol/
> literally call us /vt/rannies and say we should be chemically castrated
> /r9k/
> hate vtubers because they're real women behind avatars and call us simp parasites.
where do you tourists come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
>cries out in pain as it strikes you

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688666
Are you seeing planes? You're living on fantasy island. Most of the JP girls have not interacted with men. They've abstained publicly because that's part of their job security. And virtually all of HoloEN save like two holdouts have interacted and expressed Collab intentions. Not even the men, the EN girls can't even hold a decent schedule. And they've all made YAB comments towards their audience. Nothing I've said is contradictory. Your apparent inability to understand what I'm saying means you're a cuckold. You're weird desire to contradict me without actually arguing means you're also a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687475
Flesh idols have a lot of oversight for their collabs, it's not just them playing video games talking one-on-one with some dude for hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687373
>Sora doesn't do one-on-one collabs with males.
Sure thing buddy. And the second one is actually an offcollab

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
I've actually seen more people defend the nuances of Idol culture on Reddit than here. Absolutely grim state of affaris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686246
>He fell for bait threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686189
Yes that's why the OF whores steamroll vtubers in earnings right?…
You all are retarded and delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689669
post tits or gtfo roastie

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688946
>you need to be miserable so that the girl you like can be momentarilly happy.
>when you get a girlfriend, you need to let them sleep around with as many other guys as she wants or you're an incel.
This is what you sound like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Reddit and twitter love here and the males

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689669
>comparing real women to literal prostitues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686743
And you'll never be loved or even acknowledge by anyone because you choose to obsess over unachievable idols, heck you'll probably commit suicide once your favorite idol retires or is fired when their agency finds out they fuck every other day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689669
Who let a fucking woman in here?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689669
>the porn industry makes good money
Impressive take

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686359
Holy kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689669
I'm pretty sure vtubers would earn more if they used OnlyFans. They could put erotic visual novels there or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Reddit and Twitter. Tumblr in older days.
>>30685135
Part of the problem is that it’s a nebulous term that gets conflated with unicorns/GFE/anything the aforementioned sites consider bad, by both sides of the argument. Never trust the opinion of a westerner who unironically uses the term, because they have no idea what it actually means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
>Unicorn
>Brown guy
I think you might be on to something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
As I say, western media love to destroy foreign culture then replace the demand with their cheap, mass produced shit instead of improving the quality of their product. Their PR department will scream in your ears that their low quality product is morally good and the high quality product you currently have is morally bad until you give up.
Never forget what made hololive today is idol culture. It's idol culture gave Kizuna Ai her glory and created the next step of vtubing. Stand your ground to protect what you love or it'll be taken once more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Ignore ENfags, come home to being post Gen3 holoJP only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688307
Don't act like you'll get a family, we all know you'll kill yourself when your oshi gets fired for some stupid reason in less than 5 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Death of a fandom dot dmp

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
What? You don't want to take reponsibility of your action?

[Anonymous No.]

My oshis will continue to ignore men and I will continue to love them. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30690540
>>30689849
Nice samefagging you retarded bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>raid stop abruptly
>drops down to near 0 posts
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689303
We all know she fucked that dude for hours after the stream ended, she even fucked his friends too.

[Anonymous No.]

>prostitution = idol culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
Consequences for your actions is good anon. Keeping women in line is necessary to maintain the industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685790
No one ever expect non idol-branded company to do idol shit. If you don't want to obey idol code don't say you're idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30690201
Yeah i bet idols would too, more than they make from the losers that they milk dry for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087

[Anonymous No.]

>>30690615
ITS NOT FAIR

[Anonymous No.]

Keep crying antiidolniggers. Some of us put our money where our mouth is. That is why the industry panders to people like me, and not people like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688480
Because you are misogynists that harass and slut shame women

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691116
>Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691116
>Rushia
this is bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691241
Rushia is pandering to unicorns harder than ever.
>wojack
enjoy the ban, you should post more while you can

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689819
>>30689991
>I'll ignore context soi feel like i did something
Niggers can't you all read a thread? I was responding to your retarded friend saying the most stupid shit ever said.
You all loke to act as if throwing money means something when you do it to your oshis but as soon as is thrown to a whore you act like is meaningless, i said it before delusional faggots i can't wait till you all kys in 2-5 years, the world will be a better place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691132
And the truth of your insanity finally comes out.
I don't hate women. I hate whores.
Sluts should be shamed because promiscuity destroys society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691431
coom coom

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691241
Her power has only grown stronger. The anti-GFE cucks are flipping their shit over it

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
Nah, vtubers are the opposite. It starts with a small cozy circle of all girls, then they add one guy into the group and it all goes to hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688162
>CrystalCafe
shut up you slut

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691495
Does her power scale with the boyfriend buff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691592
She wishes he was her bf lmao, he just creampied her and threw her to the side like the menhera whore she is kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691592
No, but you do get sued if you try and smear her by claiming that she's in a relationship when she isn't.
Careful anon, I don't think you can afford paying for a taxi to the court house let alone the fees you'll need to pay up for when you lose. Anti-unicorns are literally being taken to court by vtubers and I couldn't be fucking happier. See you in prison when she sues your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

I like larping as unicorn in this kind of thread, because for every one unicorn post, I'll get 5 posts from anti-unicorns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691811
>implying they're not samefagging
not all (You) are made equal

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691804
I helped pay for the lawyer that did this btw, in a way I helped personally destroy the life of an antiidol faggot
I'll fucking do it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692008
>antiidol faggot
>implying that faggot wasn't a mentally ill unicorn that felt betrayed
are you really this retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691449
No it doesn't . Do you have any proofs or arguments?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder this is true for all Hololive chuubas. If your a member and your ok with your GF doing dumb shit or thirsting over males that speaks more on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691132
>You spend all your free time watching and loving female streamers.
>You like them so much that you develop feelings for one of them in particular.
>You must be mysogynists!
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692192
>he doesn't pay attention to her tweets
You should know what youbtalk about before spouting non-sense, this was before mafumafu, when the antis started fueling rumors of her going to host clubs and such while harassing her gachikoi
Her audience has literally become nearly 100% unicorn because she promises them the world and viciously defends anybody who accuses her of being unfaithful, and destroys them in court for it. Cope, and then seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687947
she'll never acknowledge your existence, it's your own fault for falling this deep into the parasocial mess and people should laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692510
It literally does. Humans are monogamous and require intimacy and security. Things that are impossible if women sleep with whoever they want whenever they want.
Stop being a slut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692510
Because monogamy is required for society to grow

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692792
>she'll never acknowledge your existence
my oshi already has
now what

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691132
Lol wow you're along was from home rebbitFAG

[Anonymous No.]

>>30690516
GEN FIVE IS ALL YOU FUCKING NEED

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691804
>Anti cuck gets revealed to be a 50 year old balding guy living with his mom
lmao. Mikeneko antis in shambles. Imagine this guy rubbing his tiny penis while typing about another post about how she totally fucked mafumafu

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692902
is she a 2view? if yes, then you have your answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691449
Yes, evil women lied to honest men to take their money, tales as old as the earth itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692781
So how does this prove that that man was anti-idol? Unicorns are volatile fans obsessed with a woman that turn into the worst antis when said woman does something they don't like. That guy was 100% her gachi before something ticked him off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
Other way around, eop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693255
Try again. Her gachikoi were the ones that stayed with her through the yab, while casual DD and normalfags fled because they consoomed only surface level rrats. She protects her gachikoi because they protected her. And she devours anti unicorn filth like you for trying to damage her

[Anonymous No.]

Its literally just EN normies, even the JP channels hardly embrace collabing with men

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Didnt really care about the idol angle at first, but seeing how much normalfags and other undesirables seethe at the idol image and idolfags in general, I see it as a method of gatekeeping and that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693184
No, my oshi is Uruha Michael Amemiya Rushia Neko Nazuna ***mizu, she loves me personally just like all of her gachikoi, and if you try to imply otherwise she will sue you where you stand to prove herself as faithful

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693358
You're showing your newfaggotry friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689031
the bait doesn't work when its so mucho texto anon, cut it down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693803
>ignoring AI predominantly collabing with girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693803
>He thinks Ai wasn't an idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693898
predominantly =/= exclusively

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>Where did all these "people" come from and why are they shitting up the board so much?
That might have been a good question to ask on /jp/ back in 2019. It's kind of self-explanatory now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30693898
>>30693939
Unicorns =/= idolfags. First AI collab was with a man. Eilene existed before Kizuna AI and she wasn't an idol. Lurk moar newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694126
Ai also leaned entirely on pre-recorded content initially, and almost all(pretty sure it's all, actually) of her male collabs were shill streams.
Ai was an idol, who avoided men outside of promotions.
What now tourist-kun

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694238
>Eilene
And where is Eilene now, anon. And she sure as fuck didn't define vtubing lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685790
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694238
Eilene wasn't a vtuber before Ai.
Also, I never said that Ai was a unicorn friendly idol. She was just a regular idol.
At the very least, she tried to maintain an idol image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Lamy WIFE

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694238
>Eilene
Literally who? She didn't seem to make much of an impact, let alone define what vtubing is. Kizuna AI did and she went the idol route so you're fucking over your own argument here.

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>>30694287
you're moving your own goalpost, retard-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694488
Do you think that Korone's fans were upset when Korone collabed with sonic the hedgehog, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691804
kek she can try but US free speech laws will fuck her in the ass. Then I'll get to counter sue for court fees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Idol culture is not inherently bad. All industries have their own negatives. What makes idol culture unbearable at times is hypocrisy. If you're not committed to becoming a "pure" idol then don't fucking establish yourself as one in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>Retards talking about Ai-chan
>Meanwhile, the actual first vtuber idols
Allah (& Enogu anon) forgive me for posting about them on this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694596
>kek she can try but US free speech laws will fuck her in the ass
Have I got some news for you my man, you can't willfully destroy somebody else's reputation based career with slander snd libel and get away with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694596
She could try them on slander, which would be her saying "I don't have a boyfriend" is part of her business and she isn't lying when she says it, but the defendant claiming she has one harms her livelihood and reputation and is therefor slander, which is not legally protected speech. They'd have to prove she has a boyfriend to win, and she'd have to prove their lies caused her damages to her reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694443
>>30694454
I'm not arguing that Ai wasn't an idol. I'm saying that the people constantly sperging about males and "whores" are not the original vtuber fans that they believe they are. I have nothing against sane idol fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30692008
>he doesn't know 99% of people who spread these rumors are unicorns themselves (since no one else cares whether or not she's in a relationship)

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691804
unfathomably based

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694950
>he doesn't know that gossip is the domain of normalfags
twittertrannies LOVE talking about who is fucking who, what do you even mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694596
Tell that to a certain famous pirate's ex-wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>30695022
almost every non-general thread on this board is gossip, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694948
There are different types of idols, anon.
There are even AV idols. And those are literally whores.
So it's fine if some of them want to appeal to "unicorns" or whatever. There's no need to become upset over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30695165
and the catalog is filled with twitter tourists.
also you're forgetting the obvious here, that even something like
>you and that guy make such a cute couple I'm glad you're dating teehee
is grounds for slander since her reputation as being single is imperative for her career
Twitter trannies love those types of comments

[Anonymous No.]

>>30695085
I need to stop being on this board, my mind went to marine first instead of depp and I was confused for a whole 5 seconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
I don't know, I really want to know where these faggots come from. Seriously, imagine actually thinking that idol culture is bad and that whores are good. I refuse to believe any of these people are actually serious when they say this cuck shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694948
>are not the original vtuber fans that they believe they are
Neither are you though, you're just larping, and it's a simple fact that the biggest and most successful vtubing company in the world was created to be a vtubing version of idolmaster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
You can blame Nijikeks and Vshitshowtards for this nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30695690
As I said I'm talking about the people that want to convert every female vtuber into a GFE streamer, and if they don't do it they dismiss her as a whore. I don't care if a chuuba panders to idol fans, unicorns or pegasuses, if she is not to my liking I simply don't watch. I'm aware that most of it is bait tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
They just jelly that their oshi will never be a idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30696487
Does anybody even do that
The MOST I'd want is a corpo like noripro that has a sort of "satisfaction garaunteed" corporate policy i.e. love bans. Why would I want every girl to do it, most aren't even going to do a good job of it because they won't mean it. Just don't sign up for the idol corp if you don't want to be an idol
Which is what happens 99% of the time, tribalfaggotry would happen over something else if it wasn't le idol culture because war never changes and neither does human dick measuring

[Anonymous No.]

If you're mad that female chuubas won't collab with guys, go complain to those female chuubas, complaining here isn't going to make any difference lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
This is what happened to the old Vtuber thread
Fuck holobonies and their unicorn fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691116
GIGA BASED

[Anonymous No.]

>>30696319
>they are the biggest so everyone should do as they do
Also, there are big non-idol groups, so I don't know what you are trying to prove.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30695022
How new are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687084
I don't care if you were here first. I am morally in the right

[Anonymous No.]

>>30697794
>Also, there are big non-idol groups
No there aren't. Even Nijisanji is bending the knee and starting to move more towards idol like content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30703443
>idol like content.
What does this even mean? Idols dance and sing. Nijisanji is not doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30694948
You clearly don't understand what was the idea behind vtube, and what were people to trying to achieve with vtube.

I don't remember the number, but there was an anon that explained the essence of vtube in another thread.

I think it was a thread about nazuna or vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>30703443
>No there aren't.
Nijisanji, VSPO and VShoujo are big. There's also that korean group but I don't know if they are idols or not.
>Even Nijisanji is bending the knee and starting to move more towards idol like content.
>Getting your vtuber info from /vt/ threads.
Oh so you're just baiting. Anyway Nijisanji members have been singing and dancing for years, doesn't mean that they are an idol company or that they are becoming one.

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that so many people are this mad about it proves they struck a nerve.
Perhaps you should listen to Ame and improve yourself, this kind of attachment is not healthy, doesn't help that nobody in Hololive is an actual idol, so you're not even defending proper idol culture, you're defending a propped up corpse off it.

[Anonymous No.]

For all the tourist that just come and are here just to attack "unicorns", because there is no form to defend their whores

>I will be pleased to do it anon. The essence of vtube is to be in a place where there is no politics, no drama, no social problems, where you can just enjoy the feeling of living in a pure world with a person that loves you ( the audience) and only you. This love can be romantic (Gfe) or platonic it doesn't matter, but it is there, and is in some way the truliest love.

This is why idol culture is necessary in vtube, but some people don't seem to understand it, because the dont understand or know what vtube really is

Source: anon

That's what vtube has always been, there is a difference between a person behind a virtual avatar that just do her whore things, and a real vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>30704780
You clearly haven't been here for a long time...

[Anonymous No.]

>>30704780
Yeah you're mad that girls don't wanna acknowledge the males

[Anonymous No.]

>>30707135
Personally, I'm mad they didn't quit when Homostars was announced. Never watching Hololive again. Instead, I'll just watch streamers playing games I actually like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>>30690234
>>30685135
Idol isn't LE BAD but westerners don't even know what Idol culture means.

The idea that Idols can't have relationships in their private time wasn't part of idol culture to begin with btw.

AKB48 popularized it and made it worse with cheap idols "you can meet" pandering to the most obsessed type of audience similar to 声豚.
It calmed down in recent years in Japan as one of the idols who got downgraded to HTK48 (because of a stalker who found out about her BF) got voted 3~4 times in a row as 1st (while 100k votes ahead of 2nd) of the huge yearly voting that takes place as a sign of support https://aramajapan.com/news/sashihara-rino-wins-3rd-consecutive-sousenkyo-watanabe-mayu-to-graduate-and-more/76771/

Idol culture isn't LE BAD at all, oversea just heavily misunderstand what it means. They don't understand the separation with the performer just because idol were bastardised for a short while and it made the news here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Hololive doesn't even have idol culture
Suisei is the one that actually follows "idol culture" the most in hololive and she collabs with dudes all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686246
She literally stopped streaming retard. Another guy who never heard of Rino or Namie Amuro (yeah, still counts as idol)

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
Mori's discord keeps raiding this place.

[Anonymous No.]

Abominable thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
Idol culture is not unicorn faggotery. Even in Japan there has been a strong pushback against it.
The west just got those shocking news articles about how X idol had to apologized etc. cause it get clicks, but it was isolated incidents pushed by the companies themselves to stay relevant in the headlines and is part of the past since people got fed up with that bullshit.

If someone is so obsessed they stalk and dig up stuff about their idol, they have only themselves to blame if they don't like what the find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30686514
Cope and seethe faggot. Unicorns are the only reason these whores aren't sucking dick for 10 bucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685135
This. Unicorns are mentally ill. Idolatry is fine.
Unicorns are like religious zealots versus a regular upstanding religious person.
There is a huge difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
>>30686035
https://streamable.com/f6foap
How tragic...

[Anonymous No.]

>>30687294
Blame AKB48 for ruining it for everyone. It'll take a while for the west to catch up on the fact it's already getting back to its roots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30709963
Now post a fresh one, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>Sell your cheap untalented girls as "idol" while they just do GFE meet and greet to compensate their lack of talent and redefine the love ban
>Ask ridiculous apologies from those girls if their private life is found out, free controversy advertisement
>of course western newspapers pick up on it and paint Idol culture as that toxic environnement it's known for by normies
>fans start protesting and idols slowly quit the unicorn pandering
>Westerners will take 20 years to notice
Those threads are gonna be made for a long time yeah

[Anonymous No.]

Take me back

[Anonymous No.]

>>30710004
Sounds like you're just a heretic. If the religious order isn't upheld, then your faith is lacking and you weren't a true believer in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

typical westerners cant stand the thought of oppression, always have to push their ideals on other people

[Anonymous No.]

>>30710327
it's unironically the fault of gatekeepers. it's fine to gatekeep but you have to be selective about it, otherwise it just becomes a game of zhang whispers

[Anonymous No.]

>>30710736
No, religious zealots don't understand nuance.
They read metaphors as literals. They are literally mentally ill.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are autistic and were never diagnosed. It fits the same personality type.
Unicorns are the same. They can't understand basic speech, read too much in to things, think they are in relationships with their "idol". Will violently sperg out any time someone questions their ways, to the point of actually killing in some rare instances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30711236
Zealots are actually the realistic ones, who understand that institutions and traditions can only persevere if they're protected and enforced. Metaphor copers like yourself are usually just anti-traditionalists masquerading as religious in order to destroy religions from within.

Likewise, unicorns understand both sides of the social contract. The idol wants to be idolized, and unicorns expect the to behave in a manner worthy of idolization. It's the ones who let idols slack who destroy and deconstruct idol culture, while unicorns are the guardians of it. Without standards, idols will do as they wish and there won't be any idols. Instead, you'll just have a sea of vapid whores just like in the west.

tldr You're either retarded or a concern troll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30688489
Tempus are good, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>30710035
Dumb bitch had to reincarnate into the #2 whore corp to try to get away from that shit lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30711236
t. Someone who goes to a fag priest every Sunday

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689736
Vtubers aren't your girlfriends. In fact, they'd much rather drink bleach than date any of their deranged fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087

[Anonymous No.]

>>30712275
tl;dr
>>30712925
I despise religion though. But I still respect its traditions and those that follow them.
Zealots are the ruination of tradition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685790
>Comparing vtubers to celebrities
Jfc, this place is really infested with zoomer tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
It’s what happens when a hobby or any decent subculture gets too popular for it’s own good. You get normalfag retards who try to push their views on you and water down and change everything to suit themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>Balding men in their midlife crisis and schizos unironically simp for women
Real idol culture is cancerous, yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>30713221
>they'd much rather drink bleach than date any of their deranged fans
If so, I won't stop them. Vtubers who hate their fans deserve the rope.
>>30713877
>I still respect its traditions and those that follow them
>Zealots are the ruination of tradition.
Pick one. Zealots are the guardians of tradition. Without zealots to protect them, traditions are sacrificed at the altar of progress, pragmatism and convenience, often for selfish and greedy reasons. See: the unchristian nature of western vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30713476

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>>30685135
I have never met a western holofan that had even a slight understanding of idols, or could even name more than 3 of them. Hell, Kiara is probably the only westerner in the company itself the understands idols, and she literally said hololive girls are not idols.
Tell me the last time an idol literally claimed she is married to her fans and then sold engagement rings as merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30716263
>engagement rings for her husbands
>while she gets railed by her boyfriend(s) in private
It's just like the meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>30715592
Zealots corrupt tradition. They are the ones that use any reason they can think of to corrupt some foundational tenet of a belief to their own fucked beliefs.
Unicorns are no different. They don't know any normal reality because they lack the social structures to understand. They are literal social retards being abused by people smarter than them.
Sometimes it comes back to bite those abusers in the butt when some psycho unicorn with less inhibition stabs them.
Unicorns can't see the boundary between reality and acting. That's where the problem lies. It's like retards writing to celebrities giving them death threats for killing a character they liked in a TV show, or for some actors portraying really SPICY roles like a pedo, rapist, murderer, etc.

Unicorns and zealots are quite literally that brain robot wank in iRobot that used fucked logic to dictate that humanity be slaves to robots so that the robots could carry out their most important law - protect humans at all costs.
Why? Because it read things literally, it didn't understand the context, it doesn't understand the proper framework of how society worked, how robots were to serve humanity in said society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
I don't care for idol culture because I like NTR and get my rocks of thinking about chuubas fucking other man when not streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30716553
I like how the idol larp and muh no males is somehow tradition even though it literally wasn't a thing initially and the rule was created after hololive started growing. Even the postergirl of no males collabed with them initially while they were bigger than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30716900
Exactly. They only started pandering to the GFE style when they saw the numbers.
There's nothing wrong with that, they can do whatever they like, but people forcing it on to others is what irks me.
Not even Sora does that shit, the founding member.

[Anonymous No.]

>Wait, people don't agree with me? Fucking newfags, don't they understand that disagreeing with me makes them le reddit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
I just hate males on my girls show and Idc about their past. But Omega and some ENs are trying their hardest to ruin it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30716553
>strawmanning
>false equivalence
>hyperbole
The problem is, you're the opposite extreme. While zealots seek to protect, you wanna deconstruct. The true path is wise, sensible, conservative changes informed by logic, reason, and sound foresight. Unfortunately, because anti-traditionalists are just as extreme in their hatred of tradition, it puts moderates in the unfortunate position of having to side with zealots just because fuckwits like (You) are an insufferable cancer who usually aren't offering a better alternative.

tldr You'd be the fucker who championed robot rights and got humanity genocided rather than enslaved.
>>30717002
>people forcing it on to others is what irks me.
Then it's a good thing nobody's forcing anyone to do anything. Vtubers are free to do as they wish, as are consumers. And if vtuber audiences don't want sluts, then you'll just have to accept that you're out of touch with the market. Vtubers aren't guaranteed success, and you need to have a pretty shitty attitude to expect to make bank spitting in people's faces and still holding out your hand for their charity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>images (4).jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>30717805
Ah, you're one of those types.
You only see the world in black and white.
Don't you have some conspiracy theories to post about on your board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30717993
>ignores nuance
>accuses other people of being absolutist
>everyone who disagrees with me is /pol/
t. retard who needs to look in the mirror

[Anonymous No.]

>>30718447
Thank you for proving my point.
Your 2 digit IQ won't even realize what you did, which I find incredibly funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30718532
Stupid people are filled with confidence, while smart people are plagued with doubts.

[Anonymous No.]

Unicorns are not only idols, but also have an anime aspect. Recently, anime in which only women appear are also popular. For viewers who just want to see "kawaii," men are just noise. It breaks the world view of hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>idol culture is...LE GOOT

Where did all these "people" come from and why are they shitting up the board so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30719232
Migrated from /hlgg/ on /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
they got into vtubers with NijiEN and HoloEN

and thats why we said western vtubers were a mistake back in the days

[Anonymous No.]

>>30721460
True they've been saying that since /JP/ was the main board for vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
normalfags always win. next time you have something you like, do a better job of not letting it go mainstream.

[Anonymous No.]

HECKIN' NORMOS AAAARRRRGGHHH!!!!!!! GET OFF MY BOOOAAARRRDDD! GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OOOUUUTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30710261
gotcha covered senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>30723727
>3.3k
Thats rough considering how she used to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
It's corpo trolls astroturfing for the sake of expanding the market of softcore cartoon girl prostitution. It can only ever be that, ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30689009
Reddit and /vt/ Youtube compilations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685135
Also the unability to understand what is gachikois
This board is unusable because dramafags mix things up on purpose and clueless tourists joining the "crusade" against unicorns

[Anonymous No.]

>>30716263
>Tell me the last time an idol literally claimed she is married to her fans and then sold engagement rings as merch.
I don't watch Hololive JP so name a talent other than Rushia did this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685834
>getting fired for fucking up is now some monstrous act

[Anonymous No.]

>>30725276
Choco did an engagement ring and marriage certificate once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30724498
Couldn't have happened to a nicer person

[Anonymous No.]

Do people really believe hololive would be as popular as it is right now if the girls were collabing with men regularly?

[Anonymous No.]

>idols have had love bans for decades
>idols have been sued over it, outside of AKB48
>they think baldie was the first
>they think idols do not differ from conventional entertainers(since their purpose is to 'inspire' people too)
>meanwhile hundreds of different groups out there prosecute girls with boyfriends
schizos here really trying to engineer this anti idol narrative huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>30726010
No. They just wanna ruin what is because "le incels" will suffer and stick it "idol culture."

[Anonymous No.]

>>30726003
Oh no, this bitch deserved it

[Anonymous No.]

>>30723727
lol she might as well quit

[Anonymous No.]

>>30725200
As the anon earlier who said not to trust westerners who unironically use the term “idol culture”, the same goes for unicorns, GFE, and parasocial, though moreso for redditors and twitterfags. Not like there’s a difference between those groups and dramafags anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30726989
I can only hope she does

[Anonymous No.]

really trying to out gay /v/ today.

[Anonymous No.]

if I'm at Disneyland and I'm paying to see mickey mouse then I expect to see mickey mouse. I'm not concerned with who's underneath the costume, whether or not they have a bf/gf, and I certainly don't care if they secretly have orgies every week in the break room. but if mickey mouse takes off his head, unzips his pants and starts doggying a random passerby I don't know right in front of me, naturally I'm going to be repulsed, and I probably won't be able to think of mickey mouse the same way ever again. the point is they're free to have their own private life but when they're being paid to put on an act they very well shouldn't fuck up that act.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine if people would just not watch vtubers they don't like instead of bitching about their existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30691116
>>30685087
>>30726141

Jesus fuck you guys are brainless idiots. Say what you will about unicorn this or GFE that, you do you, I have no great hate for guys looking for GFE, I was like that too in the past, but you faggots aren't the pillar of the idol industry. That's just a convenient narrative that they sell you because what you REALLY are, are useful evangelists and free marketing. Since the 80s the Idol industry's place in Japan has always been a way for cults of personality to form around cute, mediocre singers, who would then star in TV dramas and stuff, and then companies would use that image in commercials - usually airing in the ad breaks for the TV dramas they starred in. They were a easy way for different corporations to do cross promotions. But the point being - the money was never in the TV dramas. It was never really in the music either. It was ALWAYS in the corporate sponsorships and the lunchboxes and merchandising around the idols. The fact that they needed to be well known was just a necessity to facilitate these other revenue streams.

This is just as true for vtubers today. Youtube streaming is only incidental - a way to spread awareness so that you’ll be incentivized to spend money elsewhere. Hololive is not a streaming company - it has never advertised itself as a streaming company to investors. It has always been a Idol company. We don’t have exact information about Cover’s finances, but for a comparison, we can take a look at Anykara, since they went public. They made about 141 Million dollars in net revenue in 2021. Superchat information is also public, and that fucking money certainly didn't come from akasupas. Hololive is even MORE merchandising centric, MORE idol esque than Nijisanji, their numbers can only be higher.

In other words, your contributions mean jack shit. The main market was always the normie market - it was for idols, and it is for Hololive too. Your only role is to spread awareness and think you're more important than you actually are. If you wanna be an idolfag and gachikoi over some vtuber, be my guest, but don't pretend you're something you're not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
>idol culture is...LE BAD

[Anonymous No.]

>>30729225
This is a good take, however, many posts here are unironically
>I went to Universal Studios and there were no Disney characters Universal must die reeeeee

[Anonymous No.]

>>30685087
twitterfaggots because their website is dogshit for discussing anything.
They come here to talk about NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30729523
It's a symbiotic relationship. Build your boat based on a foundation of unicorns, you build it on explosives that cause drama in the face or betraying their expectations.
And sponsors HATE drama prone partnerships. Especially nips with their aversion to 迷惑. There is a reason why an idol has been successfully sued for "damging reputation" for being found with a boyfriend before.
It works in Japan because spurning your roots is seen as dishonorable. That's why leaving your job is such a no-go. That's why antis aren't really fought against, because "if they have antis, they must have done something to deserve it"
Yes, in the right context mainstream coverage CAN be more profitable than paypigs(but not always, by the way. You should look at how massive hobbyist/otaku consumerism is in terms of revenue and realize this is spurred mostly by whales of SOME kind), but if you build up to a significant size using unicorns, you are ride or die

Why else would Rushia dump EVERYTHING into pandering to unicorns and gachikoi after her termination? She literally denied having male aquaintances live as Nazuna when she denied male collabs.
Furthermore, breaking into the "main stream" in Japan is deceptively difficult. There are a million marketing opportunities but japan loves its small self-contained little boxes

[Anonymous No.]

>>30718532
Looks to me like you just bailed out of the conversation without responding to the points made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30726010
It is not enough that I can have my preferences, everyone else must be denied theirs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30730331
I'm still laughing at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30730456
I just got here, reading through the thread. Just letting you know how you come across.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30730638
>read the thread
are you a masochist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30729523
Who do you think is watching the sponsor streams when most them has less viewers than usual? Who do you think buys any piece of merchandise on mass? Maybe you were thinking the normies are buying the dakimakuras?
The fact is that if you look at merchandise stats they only sell for some numbers in the low thousands. Of course, considering how overpriced it is, that's a ton of money.