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It's over

>> No.28086183

Coomer bros what went wrong?

>> No.28086230

>>28086140
Look at the SCs retard

>> No.28086273

>>28086230
>l-look at the sc
Holy cope

>> No.28086282 [DELETED] 

>>28086140
Pfft no increase in numbers pre/post Vshoujo. Guess she was an indie after all.

>> No.28086339

>>28086230
>look guys, I'm part of a small findom cult

>> No.28086391 [DELETED] 

>>28086273
Pfft sc is so 2010. Move forward old man

>> No.28086394

>>28086140
>those numbers
what extension are you using?

>> No.28086436

>>28086140
i dunno, its 10k more than her usual streams. not too bad for an indie.

>> No.28086456

>>28086230
2.5k bucks? Even more pathetic

>> No.28086504
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>Compare to HoloEN and NijiEN
OH NONONONO CORPO BROS HOW DO WE COPE?

>> No.28086551

>13k for an independent is bad
/#/ needs to be given the /fur/ treatment.

>> No.28086560

Yeah but did you guys see the boobas?

>> No.28086588

>>28086504
Bro its fucking debut for Kson, its a literal 3k gap in viewers do you know how fucking pathetic that is, you would expect a 10k gap at least

>> No.28086636 [DELETED] 

>>28086551
13k for a bikini review?
Bring back Hololive Summer
We show you real numbers.

>> No.28086641

>>28086588
Lol cope.

>> No.28086664

>>28086588
He's not going to give a genuine comparison because he knows he can't win the argument. He hopes by just shitting up the thread with dumb ones he will drown out the voices of reason.

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>>28086436
>indie
>>28086504
If fucking Anya of all holos did a bikini reveal right now she'd probably get 40K minimum. Willing to bet hard cash on that.

>> No.28086811

>>28086588
>Bro its fucking debut for Kson
Except it's not because everyone knows exactly who she is and she's using the same YT/Twitch channel she's always used. I don't watch kson and never liked her even in Hololive but you're just a seething tribalfag.

>> No.28086898 [DELETED] 

>>28086736
>OppaiLoli
OppaiLoli

>> No.28086903

>>28086636
Noel bikini reveal, 200K

>> No.28086946

>>28086664
>He's not going to give a genuine comparison because he knows he can't win the argument.
He won't, but I will. Here you go, >>28086504 :
Pomu's outfit reveal: 14815 ccv, $4030 supas
https://vrabi.net/video/1Z-ef1NO5HY
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCP4nMSTdwU1KqYWu3UH5DHQ/superchat

>> No.28086982

>>28086140
This is so bad. The brand carry the talent.

>> No.28087034 [DELETED] 

>>28086946
>Comparing to non-Hololive
>Akin to comparing trash to trash
>Kson is trash confirmed

>> No.28087057

>>28086946
>getting beaten by fucking Pomu
I hope anyone who's seriously considering jumping ship to vshojo looks at these numbers and thinks hard.

>> No.28087068

imagine masturbating to someone else's numbers

>> No.28087104
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>>28086946
>$4030 supa
pomu...

>> No.28087110

But i was promised the death of Hololive ?

>> No.28087119

>>28086504
Why compare it to en if she's in a jp division?

>> No.28087133

>>28086736
Anya definitely have the best model in Holo....

>> No.28087158

wtf happened to her paypigs?

>> No.28087160

>>28086898
Based

>> No.28087167
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>>28086140
More proof Hololive viewership comes entirely from an algorithm manipulation scam operation.
Fishy how the same exact streamer can have this number difference to her former self, while metatag Hololeeches like Uto and Ui can get these numbers as floor.

>> No.28087197

>>28087104
Nijisanji has access to and heavily encourages streamlabs donations.

>> No.28087213

>>28087119
Because its even more miserable? I saw normal birthday concert reaching 120k or so

>> No.28087221
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>>28087197
I wish she used stream labs

>> No.28087231

>>28087110
It will happen. Trust the plan.

>> No.28087265 [DELETED] 

>>28087167
>Sounds like someone discover le Holobox.

>> No.28087281

>>28087167
But she rarely had good numbers as Coco either.

>> No.28087292

>>28087104
The point is that Kson got only $2500 for her outfit reveal

>> No.28087365

>>28087158
They figured out that she's boring when she can't collab with holos and have them say vulgar shit. And that Asacoco levels of effort Kson died long long ago.

>> No.28087410

>>28087167
Her solo coco content had garbage views too compared to the JP average, friend.

>> No.28087425

>>28087158
Her previous work was just better

>> No.28087442

>>28087410
This is an outfit reveal though.

>> No.28087499

>>28087167
oh wow youtube recommends more hololive to hololive viewers. What a scam, call the press anon.

>> No.28087512

>>28086140
Am I missing something? What's there to freak out about?

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>>28087292
how much of that money is ending up on pomu's bank?
wished youtube and corps didn't take cuts from superchats and donations

>> No.28087581

>>28087512
some numbernigger numberniggering

>> No.28087597

>>28087532
>I want all the benefits from a corpo without having to pay for any of it

>> No.28087623

>>28087512
Holofags are still in the tantrum phase because they can't imagine someone wanting to leave Hololive just to join another company. They'll continue coping and seething like this for another 2-3 weeks until Hololive debuts another gen to make everyone forget their black company status. Just ignore them or shitpost along to make them throw their tendies at the wall in frustration.

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>>28087597
yes

>> No.28087631

>>28087532
It's balanced out by:
A. Sponsorships.
B. Merch.
C. The fact that corps have literal, actual salaries.

People forget that superchats aren't even in the top 2 ways corp vtubers make money.

>> No.28087642

>>28087532
Kson's getting beat by a lower rung NijiEN female. That alone should be embarrassing.

>> No.28087650

>>28087512
numberfags being numberfags

a single stream SC totals more than their monthly wage and they still think it's low-tier

>> No.28087683

>>28087292
Sorry I was busy jacking off.

>> No.28087711

>>28087623
This feels stupid from both sides, though. I'm seeing Holofags mind-breaking over Kson not literally crashing and burning, and I'm seeing VShills bragging about 10K viewers when Chloe, as we speak, has 9K on a random singing stream.

>> No.28087716

>>28086140
ANOTHER new outfit?
I don't keep up with Kson but doesn't she already like 4 or 5?
It seems like every couple months she gets a new one

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>>28086140
RENT FREE

>> No.28087775 [DELETED] 

>>28087623
Sensing high levels of blood boiling here. Call a doctor!

>> No.28087785
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>>28087716
this is her first souchou outfit
are you thinking about the 3D debut?

>> No.28087814

>>28087623
At least we are not Vshojofags who will eat the cum from sloppy seconds.

>> No.28087815

>>28086230
Many nijis and holos have confirmed that in big corpos, SCs are the lowest part of their income and only above add revenue. Generally the biggest part of their money comes from merchandise and then sponsorships.
But sure... I really don't know if for vshojo, SCs are their biggest form of income.

>> No.28087880

She should flash her tits on stream

>> No.28087887

>>28087631
exactly so why can't the talent get 100%?

>> No.28087890

>>28086140
How do we bring back Coco?

>> No.28087912

>>28087711
VShojo doesn't have any real fans on this board, like I said it's just people trolling holofags. The VShojo thread is pretty much the Ironmouse fanclub. I'm a indiefag myself.
I'd agree if they're both being genuine then it's stupid as hell. No one expects kson's viewership to meaningfully change just by adding a VShojo tag to her streams. That didn't happen to any other members of VShojo.

>> No.28087980

>>28087887
Depends on where Cover gets their cut from. They aren't running a charity, after all. If the majority of Cover's cut comes from SCs and the talent keeps the majority of everything else, I think that balances out.

Would it be cool if they got 100%? Sure. But, again, Hololive isn't an indie vtuber charity like VShojo is.

>> No.28087997

>>28087716
She's just buying some work clothes so she fits in with the rest of the gang.

>> No.28088024 [DELETED] 

>>28086140
>Only 13k
RELAX GUYS MORE VIEWERS WILL COME IN. TRUST THE VSHOUJO BOX. TRUST THE KSON REMAINING FANS.

>> No.28088183

>>28087912
>VShojo doesn't have any real fans on this board, like I said it's just people trolling holofags.
>wER'rE JuST tRoLLInG

>> No.28088342

>>28086504
>Kronii playing Pathologic
Mumei playing E.Y.E. soon

>> No.28088492

>becoming a whore doesn’t sit well with people
Who knew?

>> No.28088524

>>28087133
Face mask or...?

>> No.28088549

>>28087980
>Cover's cut comes from SCs and the talent keeps the majority of everything else
sounds like wishful thinking

>> No.28088575 [DELETED] 

>>28088492
Only schizos and nuts in 4chan goes for whoretubers.

>> No.28088611

>>28087532
You know that with the figures we know from Kson herself, we can calculate that after every cut and taxes. Pomu made more money on her outfit reveal than Kson did.

>> No.28088684

>>28087887
Because they willingly signed a contract and accepted the model they received for free.
Nothing is stopping them from not signing the contract and going indie (except the fact that nobody will know they exist because the brand is worth the cut).

>> No.28088741

>>28087785
Nah, she had the Pajamas.

>> No.28088777

>>28088549
Well, HoloEN apparently has the money to casually travel from country to country while staying in expensive hotels. I don't know if they're rich or what, but they definitely aren't poor. I'll say that much.

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>>28088741
I can't believe I forgot about the cute pjs

>> No.28088804
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>>28086230
>He forgot about the tax cut

>> No.28088874

>>28087119
LMAO
fucking brutal roast
good one

>> No.28088895

"my oshi makes more money than your oshi! therefore I am superior than you!"

he says while scrounging the trash for leftovers

>> No.28089022

>>28086436
I think it's not right to compare ex holo ace to ordinary indies. More importantly the VshojoJP hype seemed did nothing much.

>> No.28089154

>>28089022
Kson gets more viewers on twitch than Coco did for her non-Minecraft solo streams

>> No.28089161
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>>28088777
I guess if it works for the talent...
but it still feels like a greedy restaurant own grabbing stealing tips

>> No.28089322

>>28088895
It's relevant because she did a fucking 1 hour sellout stream where she sucked off Vshojo management.
She made less money than fucking NijiEN girls despite not having to give Vshojo a cut, which proves that the vshojo brand is pretty fucking worthless.

>> No.28089357

Remember when schizos said that there will be many graduations after Coco? That she had shown how shit company Cover is and all the girls will leave? Some of you just don't learn.

>> No.28089383

>>28087499
Jewtube ONLY AND ONLY shills Hololive, in recommendations, when you search "vtuber" and hardly will let you find other vtubers outside the Hololive sphere.
Hololive is a scam taking over the neglected side of Youtube that's streaming

>> No.28089440

>>28089161
I mean, I get it, corporations are generally the bad guys, but I feel like in this case, it's just not that simple when you look at the complete package of everything that is being given to the talent.

>Financial security
>Loyal fanbases (as long as you actually stream)
>Support for massive projects that would be way harder to do on your own (see Calli, Suisei, and Irys' music careers)

And, in return, you don't get to keep literally every single dollar you make. Idk if I'm just gullible, but to me, that's a nice trade.

>> No.28089523

>>28089440
Careful, the vshojo shills will show up and tell you vshojo gives you all of this.
Ignoring the fact that Kson's views and income are now worse than ID.

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>Who would win
>The legendary dragon redubting with creative freedom and a "amazing tech" company backing her new VTuber revolution
>four hags playing uno

>> No.28089536

>>28089383
I found this kind of interesting as a Nijisanji/indie fan because Youtube treats Hololive like a kpop group basically. Seeing the way Luxiem fans bot their views it's identical to Hololive's bots. I finally started getting clips of Nijisanji recently when searching in incognito but it's only Luxiem.
The YT algorithm really defaults to pandering to the lowest common denominator and underage kids, so it's unsurprising "vtuber" is synonymous with Hololive in its search results.

>> No.28089564

>>28089440
>>Loyal fanbases (as long as you actually stream)
You don't even have to stream that much. Sana has loyal following. Propably more loyal than some.

>> No.28089607

>>28089524
>UUUOOHHH HAGSEXXX
HAGGGGGSEECCCKSSS

>> No.28089612

>>28089524
>pekora
>hag

>> No.28089614

>>28086588
It's not debut, it's just an outfit reveal

>> No.28089616

>>28089161
Sorry but i fell it's better than the restaurant using your image to sell crypto and T-shirt to the customer.
At least you still get you part of the tips.

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>>28089612
Peko is a hag even if her model does not reflect

>> No.28089663

>>28089154
>react content gets more viewers than normal streams
No shit

>> No.28089707

>>28089663
God really is dead.

>> No.28089804

>>28089524
Go google the net sales of UNO and its influence before you come back to me again.

>> No.28089864

>>28089804
>All of these viewers aren't actually there for the talent, they're there to watch Uno.

This is the biggest cope I've heard in a while.

>> No.28089904

>>28089639
I really do believe there's something not quite right with pekora
she seems like the type to join a cult or something

>> No.28089928

>>28087912
Then Hololive has no fans in this board it's just Indie and Nijifans pretending to be Holofans

>> No.28089939

>>28089864
I don't know what they're saying, but I'm definitely here to watch Pekora get trashed on.

>> No.28090142

>>28089904
She is from moon and likes Moona. She's a fucking Moonie.

>> No.28090495

>>28089612
Pekora is old enough to be hag adjacent and her weird autism puts her firmly in 'honorary hag' territory

>> No.28090585

>>28088611
>Pomu made more money on her outfit reveal than Kson did.
Pomu = 4030 * 0.35 = 1410
Kson = 2500 * 0.7 = 1750
Right?

>> No.28090665

>debut for an anticipated tubet less than a SOTD
Mouse is vShojo at this point

>> No.28090983

>>28086140
>13.8k for an outfit reveal
Holy fuck, that's lower than freaking Council's outfit reveal, and the latter happened during CCVID to boost. Did she even beat NijiEN's?

>> No.28091355

>>28089383
Dumb Chink nigger, it goes for every other genre. The mainstream ones always show up on the first result page.

>> No.28091799

>>28086140
13k is enough to sustain a career in most forms of art and entertainment by a huge margin. Could have half that and probably be fine.

>> No.28092183

>>28090585
Pomu has Streamlabs as well. For January (the month of her new outfit) she netted $3.6k. If you want to be conservative, you can say $1k was for her outfit reveal, which would put it at $5030 * 0.35 = $1760

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>>28086140
This is what happens when you only appeal to coomers who have free access to a nearly infinite amount of porn.

>> No.28092458

>>28092183
Do niji talents pay for their outfits or is it covered by anycolor? And kson, surely she had to pay for hers out of her pocket, right?

>> No.28092491

>>28092183
Your math is wrong since you shouldn't multiply by 0.35 for streamlabs.

>> No.28092515

>>28092448
She's probably still taking in more than either of us do.

>> No.28092557

>>28091799
It doesn't matter. In 2022, the year /#/brain took over /vt/, if you're not getting as many viewers as a pekora or shark stream, you're utter trash that must graduate immediately. And if you do get shark numbers on your stream but you're a non-hololive vtuber, then you're obviously botting or have chinese influence.
Let's just ignore the fact that having just a little over 100 viewers consistently on Twitch is just enough to earn a comfortable living wage too.

>> No.28092622

>>28086230
cope

>> No.28093084

>>28092458
No if it's actually planned by Anycolor. The livers could commision new outfit themselves though, with their own money.

>> No.28093110

>>28086230
Holy Copium

>> No.28093171

>>28089536
Anon, people said Luxiem were botting because their live viewer count graph looks really strange and nothing like anyone else in either Nijisanji or Hololive.
Even that is probably just because they have a lot of viewers watching from China over an unstable VPN, YouTube has very aggressive viewbot detection. Kpop groups don't use viewbots, they use human view farms with people manually operating hundreds of phones

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>>28092448
*crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* *crunch*

>> No.28093454 [DELETED] 

>>28086140
Now check the VOD, Holofag

>> No.28093506 [DELETED] 

>>28087167
This is the only explanation I can get behind.

>> No.28093559

>>28092557
I ain't reading all that.
Vshojo Japan dead on arrival. Can't even beat a holoID with an outfit reveal.

>> No.28093585 [DELETED] 

>>28087623
HAHAHAHA SO TRUE

>> No.28093637

>>28089383
Yes, that's how it works for literally every other topic. The most popular videos about the topic get shown at the top of the result page. This isn't a fucking grand conspiracy.

>> No.28093664 [DELETED] 

>>28087980
>and the talent keeps the majority of everything else
That's not what Noel said in one of her mengens retard

>> No.28093720 [DELETED] 

>>28088575
So basically 4chan? Maybe you're lost.

>> No.28093735

>>28093664
>source: dude trust me

>> No.28093791

>>28087167
Youtube as a whole has been about gaming the algorithm since the moment monetization became a thing.

>> No.28093802 [DELETED] 

>>28089383
This is 100% true but Holobronies will continue to seethe at the slight sight of anyone else.
>>28089524
Bro do you even advertising? UNO is sponsoring this stream, it's botted.

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One thing I don't get is why people judge Kson so harshly for her #s, people seem to suffer from numberrot due to her unprecedented success she had during her farewell tour in her last month.

If you go back to what she was doing at the end of 2020 and through the first half of 2021, she had fallen behind Watame and Kanata and was ranked 3rd amongst Gen4 for average CCV. As an indie she has done relatively well in without corporate box support compared to how she was doing during the last year of her time with Hololive.

>> No.28093853 [DELETED] 

>>28090983
It now has 100K VOD. Do you ever get tired of losing?
>>28092448
You're on the coomer website, tourist.

>> No.28093921 [DELETED] 

>>28093559
Merch sales and advertising in Japan begs to differ. The 2ch thread is actually more active than some of the Hololive oshi threads.

>> No.28093925

>>28087512
I'm annoyed because Hololive isn't getting bikini summer outfit reveals and ecchi beach episode.

>> No.28093937

>>28093809
Delete your post right now. You're only allowed to post about how bad Kson is doing in this thread. Reason is not allowed. Delete your post immediately.

>> No.28093973

>>28089383
I just searched for "vtuber" on my work account (which has never watched any vtubers, so it should be unbiased) and only three of the top 10 results are hololive, specifically Kobo's ongoing stream and two JP clips
There's also two Salome clips, a dramafag video about kson, and some random indies
If it's showing you more hololive it's probably because you've watched them before

>> No.28093989

>>28089022
>the VshojoJP hype seemed did nothing much
It did for me, I unsubscribed and canceled my membership.

>> No.28093994 [DELETED] 

>>28093720
And you believe the shady Japanese businessmen's lies, why?

>> No.28094138

>>28092448
Don't use my oshi to sheepost about my oshi's friend.

>> No.28094194

>>28093921
>Merch sales
You don't have access to those figures and are just talking your ass.
>advertising in Japan begs
LOOK GUYS, WE SPENT A SHITLOAD OF MONEY AND ALL IT GOT US WAS 13K DURING A FUCKING OUTFIT REVEAL.
>The 2ch thread is actually more active than some of the Hololive oshi threads.
>2ch
RUMAO

>> No.28094210

>>28093989
I assume you're Tatsunoko. You're a hardcore fan since you followed Kson until recently. I'm curious to know...

Which part of Kson made you gave up on her?

>> No.28094220

>>28093802
you get uno for free on your xbox

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>>28086140

>> No.28094407

>>28094220
What a fucking steal

>> No.28094493

>>28094194
One of the more curious things about 2ch is how much they HATE HATE HATE Mel. Its constant negativity towards her whereas there is that ranking site that shows her as the most beloved (or more reasonably people are too indifferent to hate her there so she floats to the top). Maybe 2ch in general is super negative towards vtubers but I found it kind of striking to see people level extensive criticism towards her (unlike the rape memes you see here).

>> No.28094507

>>28094399
OP didn't lie though. CCV is 13k and the live stream was over.

>> No.28094518

>>28094399
Pictured: an outfit reveal with the same view count as a watame superchat reading

>> No.28094526

Suddenly highlighting shitty VODs, Supas, and ccvs to feel good about themselves. Vshoujocucks mind has shattered?!?

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>>28094138
None of them are friends with her any more as decried by Cover. She is now an enemy of the company and an enemy to Hololive.

>> No.28094598

>>28094220
Gif

>> No.28094675

>>28094399
Only 105 viewers? I assume you only count as .956 of a person as a swamp german.

>> No.28095434

>>28086588
This isn't the debut.

>> No.28095826

>>28094138
Are they really "Friends"? What's the rrats on that?

>> No.28096082

>>28095826
>the holo she was second closest to after Kanata
>"are they really friends?"

>> No.28096435

Can't believe Pekora of all people cried for that washed up whore, and with me crying because of Pekora.

>> No.28097300

>>28096082
pretty sure less then 5% of /vt/ actually watches streams

>> No.28097356
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oof....

>> No.28098245

>>28092515
Yeah you're right, she's taking in more dicks daily than every guy on this board will in their lifetime.

>> No.28099190

>only 13k
>only

>> No.28099875

>>28086230
>beaten by Oga
rumao

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>>28099875
gomenasai
I blew my superchat money on her 3d debut and the stream where she talked about her trip to the states
next time I'll make sure to take /#/-sama wishes into consideration
purese forgibe me

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