/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>called the HERO of indie vtubers
>joins another corpo company
>brings a fellow ex-corpo vtuber with her instead of helping a fellow indie

Teehee I'm still a friend to indies guys I swear!! No corpo!! Heehee.

[Anonymous No.]

Heicuck deflection thread. Go leech somewhere else

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
Literally noone ever called her that

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
She literally gifted her PC to an indie she didn't even personally know that got her own PC destroyed after a hearthquake just so she could keep streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743017
the /#/ guys did.

[Anonymous No.]

>I'M NEVER JOINING A COMPANY AGAIN BEING INDIE IS WAY BETTER
>Join a corporation
>Y-y-you don't understand They're not actually a company
>here's a 1 hour stream of pure COPE where I explain why they're not a company
>Vshojo website keeps calling it a company
>Vshojo sued small youtubers
>Vshojo doxed the people that auditioned for them and then had their "talents" run damage control
Which one is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743127
>Vshojo sued small youtubers
qrd

[Anonymous No.]

Why did she do it? She was doing fine on her own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743017
Tatsunotards do this all the time
Worst fanbase ever.

[Anonymous No.]

The true queen of Indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
but reddit says she's based desu

[Anonymous No.]

>ex-corpo
>instead of indie
I don't understand anon if the vtuber she's helping out isn't currently a part of a corp isn't she an indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743406
JAPANIZU ONRI

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743612
What kind of cope is that? She's an ex-corp. Even a successful one who got tons and tons of money from it.

She doesn't need another opportunity, which could've been handed over to actual deserving ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743187
vshojo is based and told a foot fetish channel to stop posting video slandering talents with "proof", said proof was a bunch of random /vt/ screenshot, the footfag tried to blow this shit up but literally nobody cares, he also spammed this board with this shit for a while and and most of the replys were telling him to kill himself or similar shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743705
Vshojo isn't in the business of offering opportunities to 2views, they only take people who already made it
If you're a talented literal who you literally have a better shot applying to Cover or Anycolor

[Anonymous No.]

>>27744334
>Vshojo isn't in the business of offering opportunities to 2views,
Exactly. Are there any 2views that can sell merch? Because that's how VShojo makes money

[Anonymous No.]

>>27744334
>kson wanted to use vshojo to save 2views
>vshojo doesn't accept 2views

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
VShojo is not a corp, you fucking degenerate. They LITERALLY take NO % from VTubers, and PROVIDE TECH AND LEGAL HELP to VTubers in the organization. VShojo is literally a group of Indies that grouped together under protective umbrella. Learn to google, cunt.
>ex-corpo
fucking exactly, you idiot, "ex", who were ejected by the corp which doesn't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27744759
>fucking exactly, you idiot, "ex", who were ejected by the corp which doesn't care.

Still not the most deserving person to get another opportunity. There's still a lot of indies there who wanted to make it, instead she brings a schizoid ex-corpo vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27744759
They are literally a corporation anon, with investors, and marketing and legal departments, and they run ads for the brand, and sell merch where the company keeps the money.
They frame themselves as indies for marketing purposes because indies are cool but they're all in the top 0.1% of streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>27744759
Rushia streamed once, she didn't even have a model. She was a temporarily displaced corpo, not an indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
Kson is a saint, you take that back!

[Anonymous No.]

>>27744759
>they aren't a corp, they're a corp
icy

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745078
>corporation
Hololive is a corporation (corp)
Vshojo is an organization (org)
H takes % from VTubers and quite literally OWNS them
V doesn't take any % from Vtubers and they are free to do what the fuck ever they want to do

Learn to use fucking google, cunt. It is literally said there, corp and org. Come on.

[Anonymous No.]

Creative freedom is a better case than this stupid not a company narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745558
Vshojo is a Delaware corporation registered at a PO box that's also home to 100 other companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745748
>registered at a PO box that's also home to 100 other companies
Nothing shady at all here

[Anonymous No.]

vshoujo is a fucking company. stop being coping vshoujo shitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745837
There isn't, that's how almost every corporation in the US is registered, including ones like Microsoft and Apple
It just means they are a completely normal tax-minimising corporation

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746091
I love how tax evasion is completely normal in murrica.

[Anonymous No.]

vshojo must be stopped at all costs

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745748
where the fuck degenerates like you take this info? "Delaware"? "corporation"?
...
>google.com
>google it
>"VShojo is a US-based VTuber organization based in San Francisco"
>organization
>"corporation"
>fucking idiot anon
>google Delaware
>"Delaware, a small Mid-Atlantic U.S. state"
>"San Francisco"
>"San Francisco officially the City and County of San Francisco, is a commercial and cultural center in the northern region of the U.S. state of California"
>fucking idiot anon
>google vshojo PO box
>find store.vshojo box
>"Re: Privacy Compliance Officer, PO Box 5696, Santa Monica CA 90405, United States"
>why the fuck am I here writing to this degenerate who can't even use google
>bruh moment

[Anonymous No.]

San Fransisco aka fagtopia
don't visit

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746091
>easily verifiable
>still lie
Vshills are getting desperate

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743406
Who is this cunny and where can I warch her streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743187
The froot is a /k/ whore and cheated on her husband old drama some guy tried to reignite so vwhore dmca and threatened to sue him to kill it

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
I love how she tried to rewrite the definition of "going indie" to justify betraying her fans trust

Remember when it was outted Uto was backed by a shadow company of chinks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746260
It's public information, why are you pretending

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746260
https://www.cabusinessdb.com/company/4778373/

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746481
because their Jesus said so

[Anonymous No.]

Did Kson actually have breakdown on Twitter or is that a rrat?

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo is more like a federation. A real federation, not the trash the US and the USSR tried to push.

[Anonymous No.]

A shame. I kinda liked her as a monolithic indie.
I liked the way the indies huddle together. Kson, girl_dm, Prism Project, VOMS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746545
She went on a gossip website, not 5ch, and read shit about Kanata moving out and it hit her in her weak spot because up to this point shes tried to avoid any sense of shit going Kanatas way and tries to shoulder all the slander for her actions that also affect Kanata
Now that Kanata has to move AGAIN and be gone till August people are pissed
Kson is a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746481
>Corporation NAme
Hahahahah

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746640
>prism project
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746481
Ok, fair enough, I only used google, didn't use
>this site https://www.cabusinessdb.com/company/4778373
So, what it makes them? Evil corp?
Do they own VTubers?
Do they take % from VTubers?
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746481
You can't just kill him like that anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743406
PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746170
If you don't, that just means that you're losing in the Game of Capitalism. Nobody force you to play fair when they offered you the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746860
>moving goalpost after getting BTFO'd
love to see it

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
She didn't join a corpo. She's represented by a talent agency. She's not tied or supported in the same way she would be joining a company. But she is in the way an actor would be having an agent help negotiate sponsorships. They're very different things and the argument of pretending to be too retarded to understand doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747075
We are not talking here about "corporation" as written in documents, we are talking about a corporation actions. People hate corporations for their actions. Like bending to China and throwing away VTuber because she literally read an analytics about a country of Taiwan. They can be corporation on paper, doesn't mean shit if they don't act like a corporation people hate. What VShojo did which can be considered an evil corporation action?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743041
Yep, and this single instance will be used to justify her behavior forever now. Pretty cheap PR thanks to cucks like you. Helping a single 2view is not the same as helping bring up the entire scene, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747315
>People hate corporations for their actions
That's where you're wrong. They hate their existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747315
Holding auditions where they never had any intention of hiring anyone who wasn't already successful and then accidentally doxing all the applicants probably qualifies

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747202
>love to see it
well, I am not a little pathetic bitch like you, and can understand where I made a mistake (trusting only google and .fandom page, which describes VShojo as an "organization") and admit that other person is right on this particular point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
>cope
>cope
>cope

cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747450
you're blushing

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747255
Since when do Movie Agents hold auditions? Are their UA tryouts where actors have to send in their video rolls to be considered or do actors send that stuff to an employer to be considered for a role?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747255
>>27747255
Lmao theyre a vtuber company who is the equivalent of saying "im not like most girls"
Theyre full of shit, they arent a talent agency in any sense and people who drink that slimey cunt Mowtendoos kool aid are idiots

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747450
Your mistake was blindly trusting vshojo's marketing materials anon
It's a fact that if you're a struggling 2view, you have more of a chance of getting into hololive or nijisanji than you do vshojo. They're not angels helping out the little guy, they're an alliance of convenience between the absolute biggest vtubers who don't already belong to a company

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
No cap ksons redesign is mid

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746545
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1545439698646335488
Souds like Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it matter that kson is part of vshojo? If it bothers holofans, then she wasn't collabing with holos in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743406
>The true queen of Indies
Anon, I don't even know who this smol indie is

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746860
They lied to you, they desperately try to portray themselves as non-corporate. You didn't even believe that they had corporate filings. This is by design, they want you to believe it's just the girls and that's it, there's tons of other people that swallowed their corporate speech just like you did. Now why did they do that?
Let's do a comparison, when the girls have awful tech issues who do people blame? They blame Cover and shitpost Yagoo, how could these people fuck up my oshi's stream? Fuck them!
Now what happens when a Vsho girl has tech issues or fucks up a collab? Everyone shit on the girl themselves, no one even thinks of Vshojo or Mowtendoo (except by mentioning their affiliation to shit on the talent). This happened when there were widespread issues with Zen's massive collab. You people say that they're agents and supposed to help them with tech support and to plan things out, yet when Zen's collab went to shit no one ever once mentioned the people whi own Vshojo
Vshojo management are using the girls as shields to avoid criticism, isn't that exactly what a shitty corp would do. Hide in the background while your talent takes the heat for something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747882
>Why does it matter that kson is part of vshojo?
Some folk alleged that Kson promises to remain indie and instead went to vshojo therefore, betraying both the indies and supposedly her ties to hololive.

I think that was the main part of it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747202
>>27747517
are you sure, pathetic bitch? If you really think that admitting that other person is right when provided with factual information is "haha BTFO'd", I have very grim news for you.

[Anonymous No.]

She's an absolute embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748051
Is this a bad cosplay? Don't tell me it's actually her

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748101
Oh that's her alright. She turned up to a Vtuber convention in person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747447
>auditions
They still plan on bringing more people in, the kson decision was made outside of auditions
>doxing all the applicants
Two people were "doxxed", one of which purposefully did it because he wanted to play batman.

Also, do you guys just not understand how these orgs work? It works pretty much like what the big ones like 100T, OTV, OTK, etc. do. Is it just a foreign concept here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747882
I think the primary complaint is that she directly said to her fans she wouldn't join another company, then did
Then rather than just saying "I changed my mind, too bad", she streamed a marketing powerpoint to try to convince people that it doesn't count because they're totally not like other companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748160
>Is it just a foreign concept here?
For a lot of folk, yes it is. Even if it is a generally obvious concept with talent agencies and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748145
The Wall Spares No Woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748160
People understand how they work, and that most streamers who get as big as the vshojo members join one and sell out to some extent
The complaint is that they're framing themselves as a brave band of indies when they're all making tons of money and are signed to a company with a PO box in Delaware and marketing and legal departments, in a scene with thousands of actual indies that nobody gives the time of day

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747526
agencies absolutely have events where they test and interview new potential clients. they make profit by % of business they bring and can not afford to waste their time on losers who can't do anything, otherwise what's stopping you from having an agent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743127
Its a talent agency, it's different from a corporation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748162
>"i want to make more money by doing corporate shilling and sponsored streams, but it turns out i'm too lazy to go thru the proper channels myself as an indie, so i joined on to vshojo to let them handle it for me"

much less backlash if she just tells the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747882
She dragged pptenshi in her shitstorm of retarded shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747997
>>27748162
Alright, that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747255
Since when did they do anything agency does? They tried to hold audition like a standart vtuber corpo and failed and do not advertise their "support services" at all.

As far as i can tell they're just complacent corpo playing PR game as indie saviors while they only work with the biggest names on the market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748636
Probably, people would still shit on her because you know at one time, she is the 2nd most superchatted vtuber on the planet who doesn't become more proactive in her indie career. But maybe you are right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748386
>in a scene with thousands of actual indies that nobody gives the time of day
this is literally a shit tier mindset, no one deserves views. most of these people built themselves up from that point, that's literally the entire idea of indie. start from the ground up and build something new. joining hands with other indies and professionals doesn't make you a traitor.
anyone who seriously thinks this is pathetic. the whole point is to do what you want and grow you audience and you're really gonna shit on people for doing just that? what do you see as the endgame for other indies then? have 2 views forever and have to keep wage-slaving on the side forever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748781
I'm just saying they shouldn't profess to be the saviors of indies when they've literally done less of that than fucking Cover, never mind all the smaller groups

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743234
Watch her Q&A stream, she answered exactly that question.


In short, VShojo's views and goals for vtubers line up with her own. She joined VShojo to bring their ideals to the Japanese side of the industry. (Specifically, putting the talents in control.)

>>27745078
VShojo talents are functionally identical to indies. By matter of course, VShojo will not step in on their endeavors unless explicitly requested.
It's more like the talents and the company have an agreement, rather than the company owning the talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748721
>do not advertise their "support services" at all.
this is literally their whole thing, since it was first announced
>"we don't take your IP, we don't tell you what to do, we just help you get shit done for a cut of the profit"
it was their whole pitch from the start and has been on their website since day 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748972
>their whole pitch from the start and has been on their website since day 1


yeah sure, and wonder how they make money

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749156
bro do you not know how an American talent agency works? like have you NEVER seen a single tv show or movie with an agent? They look for opportunities and take a 10% cut. This has been a working business model for like over 100 years at this point. Why are you so stupid? You have the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748972
This is not advertising, this is blanket statement. They simply do not behave as a standard corpo nor do they behave like a support agency. My comment about management being complacent and doing nothing still stands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748403
You know nothing of the industry, don't try to pass this off. Agents prowl around movie lots and film festivals looking for up and coming talent. Their services are something they sell you, you don't try out for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749377
You don't actually try out for vshojo either
Every single person they've accepted is either a personal friend of an existing member, or is multiple orders of magnitude more successful already than almost everyone who passed the holo/niji auditions

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745558
Hololive is also an organization, anon, my google says so!

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749377
uhh yes, they do, they have open calls all the time. please spend even a small amount of time looking up information before you state some shit. it really makes you look stupid. like seriously really fucking stupid. it would have taken you just one single second to not spew shit from your mouth

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
If you were given an offer to join a corpo that wouldn't limit you in functionally any way and would help you with various things to make your life easier, why wouldn't you take it? The point of being indie is freedom. She maintains her freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748972
Let's compare that to a real Agency's about page

Or better yet, let's compare someone like Nyanners who has Vsho corporate branding all over her and constantly markets for them to someone like Kitboga who most people wouldn't even know is signed by the United Talent Agency. It's absolutely not the same thing, get a better narrative

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745078
>top 0.1%
When are we getting a Bernie Sanders vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>have auditions where hundreds of hopeful English 2views apply only to end up having hours of their life wasted because they hired 2 (two) huge name Japanese speakers instead
vshitters aren't "the resistance", they're more like a terrorist organization

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743406
Sana is not the Queen of Indies, that should be Kagura Mea or Ponpoko

[Anonymous No.]

>>27746371
Natori Sana, she's an OG actually

[Anonymous No.]

Any company worth their salt wouldn't hire Mikeneko for a long time but of course the /b/ lolsorandum company from the West scoop her up at first glance because they're desperate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750010
VShojo isn't a corporation, moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749555
Ah nepotism at it's finest

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750042
Just a complete nobody group who got 11 million in funding, Ah yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749798
The problem is you only get to the point of getting invited to vshojo if you're already one of the most successful indies on the market
If you're struggling to push past 50-100 viewers you don't really have a lot of options, the small corps won't boost you much past that and the next step up that actually takes applications is the likes of VSPO, Nijisanji, or Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749670
I apologize, my experience is with more established actors. I didn't realize it was different

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749813
?????????????????
how is this proof of anything?
there is something wrong with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750118
So Kson joined for all the wrong reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750118
I don't get what any of this has to do with making life easier on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750042
Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750139
If they were really just agents they wouldn't be advertising for them because it wouldn't matter to the talents.

This is a tax-dodging scheme by Vsho to avoid taxes

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750185
>>27750235
She has good reasons to join them, she should just be honest that it's for her own convenience and not part of some grand plan to save the industry from itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750316
When did she claim that? I never saw anything even remotely like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750281
explain to me how that even works in your addled mind. how do they avoid taxes in this situation? by not making as much money? that's a novel approach

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750486
They avoid taxes by not classing their talents as employees so the girls have to bear the full about of their employment taxes as self-employment tax also they avoid having to provide any benefits. This is the same scheme that Uber uses to keep costs down

[Anonymous No.]

>>27749883
More new members coming soon, Mouse already leaked it.

VShojo Japan has nothing to do with the auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27745837
>Nothing shady at all here
Correct. If you take investment, you better be a Delaware C-Corp. Otherwise you end up paying more legal expenses getting the deal done, and you have to explain to your investors why you didn't do it right: Delaware is THE PLACE you incorporate national or online businesses, and for very good reasons.
If you have an exterminator business or you own a bakery or something, sure go ahead and incorporate in your own state. Anything inherently online is dumb if they don't use Delaware (or maybe Nevada).

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750425
Her whole thing immediately after quitting hololive was that she had some grand plan for indies
Then recently she posted all these vague screeds about how sad it is that all the big corpo vtubers are oppressed and how great vshojo's model is by comparison
Her fans certainly took this as her campaigning to poach everyone to join her even if that wasn't the intent

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750612
Why exactly did they gather so much info on indies and then do nothing with it? Some of them were pretty well established so it's not that all the apps sucked. Seems like a huge waste of resources

[Anonymous No.]

Did kson incline from joining vshojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750631
>Her whole thing immediately after quitting hololive was that she had some grand plan for indies
Seems like she found one avenue that's worth exploring.
>Her fans certainly took this as her campaigning to poach everyone to join her even if that wasn't the intent
Those are mostly VShojo trolls trying to get "revenge" for being shat on by Hololive fans. Most Shin'eitai are not making wild claims about what she will or won't do next. Most are cautiously optimistic, and waiting to see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

Why did Fauna tell me not to make a tulpa Fauna?
Is IRL Fauna trying to monopolize all my affection?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
>helps a good friend out rather than some rando
>bad
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750777
>help Japanese Amber Heard

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750709
According to vstats.
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750709
Not at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750777
Sometimes not helping is the most helpful choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27743406
HYPER PRIISU

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750852
This. The only happy ending for Mikeneko is to be locked away in a safespace with her simps away from everyone else. Which she was doing anyway until Kson roped her into a clique of backstabbing bitches. Think bullying by Miko/Aqua/Matsuri was bad? Try Vei.

[Anonymous No.]

You either die a hero or something something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747935
>A corporation is an organization—usually a group of people or a company—authorized by the state to act as a single entity
This in now way means that VShojo certainly must be exactly like Hololive, you fucking idiot

>yet when Zen's collab went to shit no one ever once mentioned the people whi own Vshojo
If they didn't step in to help, it's because Zen didn't ask them to.
We've seen on multiple occasions Gunrun being on-hand for Mouse during setup for Speak of the Devil or her IRL streams with Connor, among various other instances.
(Mouse is easily the worst with tech in the whole group so it checks out she uses their help the most.)

>Hide in the background
You're latched onto the idea that they're looming over their talents like Cover does. They aren't.

If a VShojo girl fucks up, you're damn right it's her fault. Because VShojo doesn't own her or have control over what she does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27751183
If you're ok with Vsho management leaving their talent out to dry I can't argue I guess. Just seems like a slimy corporate thing to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750610
fuck this is such a bad understanding of how this works
yes they can avoid paying benefits, but at the amount of money their talents make this, and paying into social security, is such a small factor.
uber drivers are wageys, the same idea doesnt work when you're talking about millionares. if the company is taking in this much profit they would be under so much more scrutiny and wouldn't get away with this shit.
on top of this, the issue with uber-drivers is there's MILLIONS of them, taking uber from 200 people to 2million people is not the same as employing 10 people.
Just... please understand that your surface level analysis just really does not apply the way you think it does.

I am not saying VShojo is all friends who do things for fun, I would say Kson kinda messed up trying to portray it like that, but she's also trying to explain how it works vs a japanese agency, and frankly in comparison it must seem like that. It's a corporation, but an american talent agency, which is not the same thing as a japanese talent agency which people refer to as "corprate vtubing".
their business model is different, they make things happen and take a cut, they do not "run" the business and "hire" or "fire" people. they might eventually end contracts but that will only change the projects they work on together, not actually affect the vtuber's own streams or content in any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27751433
>she's also trying to explain how it works vs a japanese agency, and frankly in comparison it must seem like that
she should have just said "it's like upd8" instead of the pr piece she put out

[Anonymous No.]

>>27751374
It's not "hanging them out to dry" because VShojo has no obligation to own their talents' actions or mistakes.

In your example, it's not Zen taking the heat for VShojo's fuckup, it's Zen taking the heat for Zen's fuckup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750803
LOL
>accidentally leave on discord overlay
>try to defend self
>get a little lost in the sauce
yeah same thing as cutting off someones finger, beating them, abusing them, shitting on their bed, trying to steal their money, try to call them a rapist, try and ruin every aspect of their life, having a life built on constant lies an manipulation

you guys are really fuckin weird. was what happened with rushia stupid on her part? yeah, it didnt make her look good. but you guys really trying to make one little freak out look like it was even comparable to any english-tuber or movie star scandal. what she did was nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27751569
>she should have just said "it's like upd8"
I would pay to see the reaction from long-time JP vtuber fans in the universe where that happened

[Anonymous No.]

Genuinely asking but surely their must be a point were vshojo management does control their talents. If a talent did something to piss off the twitter mob like say YWNBAW to a tranny would be vshojo really be like not our problem? Just curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>27751666
There are already some retards using "Vshojo is just like upd8 so vshojo is not a corpo" to defend kson though.

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>>27751569
even upd8 isn't quite right though. they still have a lot more control and take more of a cut from everything i've seen. like i said, the gulf between japanese talent companies and american talent companies. it was my understanding that she was trying to highlight the difference in benefits, drawbacks, and just generally how they do business.
it made sense, people are just HYPER analyzing each and every word, stripping them of all the context of who she is and where she is and her history. looking at it all in context it makes sense to me.

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>>27751607
>Leak shit to Japanese keemstar because "he's muh friend"
>Constant suicide baiting, even to him
>slander company and company workers to him
>get told off and get let off with not even a slap on the wrist, just gets told to not fucking associate with goddamn japanese keemstar
>goes full schizo over the discord incident
>company backs her up and tells her to not do anything, to just wait for them to make an official statement when they're back at work after the long holiday
>goes so full schizo that she runs to japanese keemstar and leaks shit and breaks NDAs to "clear her name"
>japanese keemstar realizes that he could face massive legal troubles if he did anything with this shit, tells on her
>anon: "wtf they totally didn't help her even though they did and they should just let her get away with leaking shit to japanese keemstar after they told her off for it months before, so what if it's a huge ticking time bomb and potential pr disaster and so what if she directly violated their contract and letting it slide would invalidate all their fucking contracts?"

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I'm confused. Didn't Kson literally say she couldn't think of any downsides to joining Vshoujo? Isn't your Soulmate being put in a position where she has to move out and be separate from you a pretty fucking huge downside? Isn't Kson not as smart as once thought?

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>>27751678
If they were really pressed like that then all they have grounds to do is threaten to drop them, like any other talent agency.

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>>27751433
SSI, Medicare, FUTA, CA SDI, and CA ETT is around 10%, 10% of all payouts to talents that Vsho doesn't have to pay to the government.

The line about "it's just Kson explaining for Japs" is bullshit too because they feed the same lines to their English-speaking audience. There was a person in this thread who didn't believe they were a corporation and they spoke English just fine. I've seen a bunch of people who think that Melody runs Vshojo because she was the first member. This is standard Vsho marketing that they had Kson repeat on stream

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>>27751843
Kson doesn't give a shit about Kanata anymore

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>>27751824
this is drama, not a real problem like beating your spouse and cutting off his finger.
no amount of typing more details will change that fact. I said she made bad decisions, she's not satan.

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>>27751843
>Saying theres no downside to anything
That's when you know a person is shilling.

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>>27752033
shes talking about downsides for her, as far as cover's backlash, there is no way that could be accurately predicted. I thought they would tense up, but making her move out is on another fucking level of doing stupid shit.

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>>27752023
Yeah, she sure made some bad fucking decisions. She has proven herself to be insanely unprofessional and not someone you should ever associate yourself with if you want to make a career out of online content creation.
She has also proven herself to be a terrible co worker that endangers the people she works with.
She has also proven herself to be a genuinely unlikable person that constantly suicide baits like a massive fucking cunt.

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>>27751843
>Isn't your Soulmate being put in a position where she has to move out and be separate from you a pretty fucking huge downside?
Having only just heard about this it looks more like collateral damage from the bugmen sperging out, which isn't VShojo's fault.

Honestly surprised Kanata didn't get much flak from them before now.

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>>27751937
The ring…

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>>27752126
>I can't believe that Cover believes it is risky for their employee to live with someone who leaked Cover internal communications
I thought she was a business woman, this is business 101

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>>27752222
*who works with someone who leaked docs
Forgive me I typed too fast

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I think it's impossible to explain vshojo to a lot of people--or even most people--because they literally cannot even comprehend a vtuber company that does not function exactly like hololive/nijisanji. I don't watch vshojo a lot and I didn't watch kson's videos and I still know how they operate, because I'm not fucking deranged.

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What's the point of joining another company for "freedom" when she is already an indie now and can do anything she wants????

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>>27752141
>She has proven herself to be insanely unprofessional and not someone you should ever associate yourself with if you want to make a career out of online content creation.
so like literally every other content creator out there?
>She has also proven herself to be a terrible co worker that endangers the people she works with.
endangers??? uhh okay yeah, but no? this is a major over exaggeration
>She has also proven herself to be a genuinely unlikable person that constantly suicide baits like a massive fucking cunt.
this was literally her persona for years from debut to graduation?

unironically I think most of the hate is because of incels legitimately mad about the message with a man. did she go overboard? yes, but she was also being attacked by thousands of thousands of people, i know you never experienced that, but it's not the same as a few dudes on here calling you stupid. nothing she did was so unforgivable. nothing you stated is career ending. you're way over-inflating this

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>>27752293
Because it's a lot harder to do "anything you want" in an industry sense without the backing of a company, especially in Japan.

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>>27752293
Freedomer

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>>27752293
This.

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>>27752222
>live with someone who leaked Cover internal communications
when did Kson leak cover internal communications?

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>>27752293
If what Vshills are saying is true and there's no contracts she can soak up as much of that $11 mil as she can and then dip as soon as shareholders start asking for things

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>>27752269
It's not a hard concept to grasp
They take less of your money and they do less stuff
The people acting like it's a revolutionary model are weird, there's a million agencies like them already

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>>27752463
>there's a million agencies like them already
exactly fucking this
>"OH MY GOD ITS THE SAME AS HOLO/NIJI"
I think the problem is they don't fully understand the difference between JP agencies vs American agencies

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>>27752375
>Quite literally cannot refute anything, jumps to whataboutisms and tries to deflect with nonsense

1. No, not "like every other content creator out there". In fact, you can see quite a massive amount of them still working under the very same contract as she had with cover.
2. She leaked insider info and potentially slandered them to Japanese FUCKING KEEMSTAR you retard, one of the biggest tabloid-esque drama hogs period. What we got was a miniscule amount of what could've happened, especially if they hadn't terminated her contract.
>this was literally her persona
Yeah guess fucking what, it's a dog shit persona. There's also a monstrous difference between something being a persona and this being known to your audience and thus it being an obviously facetious act, and you doing something for real, in attempt to garner sympathy, while casting off the usual veneer of a put upon character.

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>>27752428
I corrected it in the next post. Her affiliation with Rushia is the issue. If you work for a US Aerospace Corp they might ask questions if you live with someone who works for the Russian embassy as well

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>>27752293
Pros:
Legal support.
Tech support.
Assistance with events.
New possibilities for collabs (e.g. with Nijisanji, Vshojo do this a lot), networking.
Being in a group of other well known big vtubers.
Being first in a Japanese branch and basically a senpai of Vshojo Japan.
Remaining in a status of "I can do whatever the fuck I want".

Cons:
sometimes shoutout Vshojo merch on her twitter page.

Fucking win situation through and through.

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>>27752702
also
Pros:
save 100% of earnings to herself
new model debut help (there will be new soon)

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>>27752702
Cons:
Can't share a house with a member of another corp

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>>27752637
I mean kinda but also not really? Yes Rushia "leaked" info (I don't think it was on par with actual corporate leaks, like design theft of engines and shit). But Kson has not. Besides that, other talents are still in contact with Rushia (pekora, marine, and maybe others). Besides that Kson was in contact with Mikeneko for months before the announcement.

This isn't a logical reason. It's an over-reaction by hyper-sensitive overly controlling corporate suits.

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>>27752890
>share a house
what?

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>>27752702
All of the pros except "join a group of big vtubers" also apply to any other streamer management services agency
Vshojo's reputation amongst a large portion of the JP vtuber audience is also somewhat of a con

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>>27753288
>Vshojo's reputation amongst a large portion of the JP vtuber audience
You mean "what is VShojo?"
Don't tell me you think /vt/ is representative of the actual Japanese audience

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Is Kson ok?

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>>27752950
Design theft is corporate espionage, if that happened Rushia would be squatting under a bridge right now because Cover would sue ger for every cent she had. All internal company communications are automatically confidential, revealing them publicly in any capacity is a gross violation of company policy and grounds for immediate termination. If you show off an email your coworker sent you through official channels or take a picture of official memos posted in the breakroom you are done. The purpose is a chilling effect so people can't weasel with "technically not important/damaging" if you leak any confidential info you will be fired.

That said when people come home they tend to talk shop, even if they don't most hololive meetings are done in the home. If Kson is talking to Mikeneko and Kanata is talking to Cover, or if Kanata tells Kson something in confidence and Mikeneko overhears, there is a possibility that it could leak because Mike is a known leaker and the responsibility would fall on Kanata. It's a risk she doesn't want to take

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>>27752702
>Legal support.
Lmao
>Tech support.
Probably the only reason kson has to join, I STILL can't fucking believe she thought gunrun made IRC on the spot, that's next level tech illiteracy

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>>27754155
they used IRC for voice chat? when? more importantly how?

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>>27754225
did she say that they were voice chatting or just communicating

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>>27754225
they used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R--_ATzE6o but with higher bitrates through a customized ircd

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>>27753961
Yagoo buck broke her

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>>27742717
Cope harder, 2view trash. If you were worth a shit you'd be making it but you're not, so you aren't.

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>>27751843
But she have a new angel soulmate the other one is used good now

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>>27752702
So basically it was everything Cover did except now she can show her fat gut on stream if she wants

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>>27753703
Well, it ranges from "who?" to "the one everyone calls the whore agency?" depending on whether they've seen any 4chan dumpster diving or not
Neither is especially great

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>>27747255
>I’m not like other companies

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>>27752293
There isn't any, anyone telling you otherwise are vshojo shills

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>>27751843
Kson did nothing wrong

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>>27742717
>literally goes from a hero to zero in a year

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>>27757248
You're next Mori

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>>27742717
she likes money

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>>27742717
>Doesn't know what vshojo is
>Thinks an "ex-corpo" indie is not an indie
The baits are getting weaker ever day, huh

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>>27757606
The reason she is doing all these offcollabs is because she will be leaving soon, UMG will buy out the rest of her contract so she goes independent

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>>27747329
>Helping a single 2view is not the same as helping bring up the entire scene
Coco already helped bring up the indie scene in the first place because she popularized vtubers in the English community

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>>27743406
Who?

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>>27754155
>IRC was invented by the dude who made the "IRL Backpack" which helped IcePoseidons rise to fame then consequent decay and fall
As if she couldnt get any more retarded. Gunrun made that IRL garbage and we have to live with its consequences. Id say I feel bad for Mowtendew but he did that "YouTube hates me!" bait before he up and quit making funny weed edits. Cant blame him for milking money from retards though.

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>>27757606
yeah she's the next one i'm impregnating after your mom

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>>27742717
>>brings a fellow ex-corpo vtuber with her instead of helping a fellow indie
The fuck is loli actually R*shua? I'm out of the loop and thought it was a meme

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>>27757971
Kek, no she didn't. All the english vtubers are Twitch and none of you Holobronies ever set foot in that place. If anything, Ironmouse did more for the EN scene than Coco did

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>>27758440
Nigger, i got into Hololive partly because of Coco, and I then started watching Twitch vtubers because I wanted to saviorfag a 2view. I'm sure there's plenty of others like me

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>>27757606
Please God take her, she fucks up everything she touches

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>>27758341
I mean its all but confirmed at this point.
>Exact same voice
>Kson's 'Guess you guys know who she is'
>JP/EN Fandeads vastly believe it is her
>Artist and rigger of her fan-made Mikeneko Live2D followed the new VShojo twitter account

And the cherry on top of it from today
>Only one person could elicit such a sphincter clenching over-reaction like this from Cover Corp

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>>27757248
she literally belongs in Vshojo, they collab with Critikal and Trash Taste all the time which I'm sure is something she wished she could do

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>>27743084
THE MOST INFLUENTIAL THREAD

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>>27758693
I'd say you're firmly in the minority. The big gateway hololive members were Fubuki, Miko, and Korone.
Coco's most popular content was reacting to things other members were doing on Asacoco, and after the first iteration of that died she was pretty directionless and never reached that level of popularity again.

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>>27758693
someone that doesn't get a lot of credit for bringing up the EN scene is Melody for all those news articles that went viral. if not for her I wouldn't even know vtubers were an actual thing. Coco isn't that big of a deal as Reddit loves to make her out to be

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>>27751183
>or her IRL streams with Connor
Keep in mind that he has a personal and financial interest in the IRL streams running smoothly.
https://www.gunrun.tv/backpack

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>>27744759
Yes they are worst. Instead of taking percentage, they tricked the girls with dono meme and using the girls' IP to make the real money from merchs without giving a single cent to them. Despite them working their butt off to built the value of said IP.

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>>27758801
Be careful with that monkeyspaw wish anon.

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>>27751824
why do dramaniggers lie so easily?

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>>27752259
>>27752222
or you were making things up the faggot you are

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>>27759145
>Coco's most popular content was reacting to things other members were doing on Asacoco, and after the first iteration of that died she was pretty directionless and never reached that level of popularity again.

Unfortunately true though I would argue was still one of the more influential (if not the most) in expanding the overseas fanbase and bringing about HoloEN branch. But ya, her monthly rankings dipped after AsaCoco 1.0 got shelved.

>#1 Holo in January, February and March
>#4 Holo in April
>#7 Holo in May
>#8 Holo in June
>#14 Holo in July and August
>#20 Holo in September
>#7 Holo in October
>#22 Holo in November and December

[Anonymous No.]

All the top 3 Vtubing companies will end up hating each other now, it's almost like an all-out war.
>Nijisanji: China does not approve of Kson and Hololive
>Hololive: Hated because of idolfags
>Vshojo: Hates the model of JP Vtubing

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>>27760150
>All the top 3 Vtubing companies will end up hating each other now
Its true because /vt/ said so

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>>27760004
Translation for the anons: Coco is the one who ruined vtubing by making it accessible to western whores.

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>>27754263
she said they used it instead of discord during the collab unless I misunderstood

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>>27761138
you misunderstood, its when they were organizing a collab

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>>27759145
Korone was the eye-catch, the advert, for me. But I saw the ekumbokum memes and would have left it at that, because my Japanese isn't great. Coco is who sealed the deal, Asacoco and sprinkling of english made it approachable, I would have bounced off so hard if not for that.

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>>27742717
I don't trust any vtuber who they tell me to trust. You hear that Fubuki? Why don't you go MGS and Foxdie, you fucking liar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27757223
can you get out?

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>>27757971
She did that as Coco, not Kson. In other words, it was thanks to Hololive. Cool, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
It's pretty sad

[Anonymous No.]

you guys are still seething? Its been 6 days lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>27767406
Kanata made a decision to stop living with Kson. So yeah it flared up again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27767514
You might be flared up, but I am noeled up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27768974
Booooo!

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>>27748670
keep in mind she's with them almost exactly one year from leaving cover and getting rid of some clause

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>>27748890
>In short, VShojo's views and goals for vtubers line up with her own
Everyone was right, she left hololive to be a whore.
Announced 1 day after 1 year of leaving hololive.
New model was bought and paid for by vwhorejo

[Anonymous No.]

>>27750048
ironically, snuffy, well known orbiter, got special treatment when she applied after the deadline (had some illness at the time and was upset she missed it) only to get rejected anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27773454
VShojo doesn't fund models/outfits and if you're referring to her 2D, that happened long before she decided to join VShojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>27768974
godammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>27773938
Many models are trash since joining vshitshow

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think any less of Kson or Rushia for joining vshoujo. They're allowed to make a living and do what they think is best for them. I mean, I won't watch them because I hate vshoujo, but I never really watched Coco in the first place. Her character just didn't appeal to me, unlike Rushia who I will miss.

But this does make me hate Vshoujo just a little bit more for being opportunistic little shits and cashing in on controversy with "oh look at us we're western whores with western morals, we don't care about the politics of the vtuber industry". I bet that faggot Nyanners is thrilled to be sticking it to Japan/Hololive over the Rushia thing.

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>>27744759
>WELL ACKCHYALLY
No one gives a fuck about small detail, retard. Control+organisation+boss=corp. You can name and rename it all you want, core stays the same. If whole world one day will collectively decide that Sun rises in the west instead of east the general direction of sunrise will stay the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27742717
People have a right to do what they think is best for themselves even if it disagrees with the popular narrative of their character.

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>>27777943
Huh?

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>>27778499
>No one gives a fuck about small detail, retard.
Lots of people do. You don't because you are pushing a narrative.


>the general direction of sunrise will stay the same.
Legitimately the dumbest argument of comparison I have ever seen in my life. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27752637
It is quite ironic how Rushia and Russia sound and look almost the same. Made me chuckle.

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>>27778499
It's the difference between a company that contracts you or a sponsor and an employer you directly work under.

Cover is the latter. They take a direct cut of all income you make and own the rights to your work. Vshoujo is the former. If you can't tell the difference you should make sure to not get a job, you're probably stupid enough to sign away your kidney thinking you were getting hired by a gas station.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27778871
I scam people for a living because of my cute eyes and soft voice so nah, im not a slave for a cor-, oh, sorry, "totally-not-corp"

[Anonymous No.]

>>27748601
Stupidest cope I have ever seen

[Anonymous No.]

From my research

May be
Vshojo really is charity company for Vtuber after all.

> got 11 million fund
> just break even not even profit
>give fund for charity to Rise Above The Disorder first
> where it help menhera peoples like Mikeneko become stable people.
> Gunrun share these money fund to many other for charity.

Is Gunrun saviourfag or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27747329
If it's such a cheap marketing move why does nobody else do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27780209
Well...