/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Memes aside, what is your honest opinion on Nijisanji? What do you like and dislike about the group and their streamers?

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>>2639256
I'll be honest.
I never watch them despite YouTube had recommended me about them since early 2020, so I don't have opinion about them.

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>>2639256
They are okay, I don't necessarily dislike them, but they aren't really accessible to anyone other than people who are japanese/have been studying it a while for a majority. Kind of like how its really difficult to interpret Marine/some holos fast enough to enjoy the streams.

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>>2639256
Too much competition, the manager is so numberfag that they need to add ranking to their talents. There is no real friend among the talents, everything is for profit to the point of taking owner to their own accent and antics.

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>>2639256
Best company around

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>>2639256
If you can't name at least half of these, you're a newfag and need to lurk more.

[Anonymous No.]

i like alice mononobe, i wish she did more guitar streams but if theyre too taxing for her weak constitution i understand

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>>2639256
Also to continue, I felt really bad everytime the Nijis tried to connect with us here with live showings/shilling for it, since I feel they are trying but it never meshes with this place despite feeling like it'd have great appeal with the broader EOP demographics outside of here.

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>>2639256
A bit hard to get into due to how many of them.
So I just stick to watching Mashiro's stream and watch clips for others.

I do like they have this variety show thing going on.

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>>2639256
I've seen some clips of the guys (the most normal guy and the clown one), they are pretty funny

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>>2639256
They seem like an interesting bunch. I wish I had started watching them sooner.
Yashiro and Hayama are my favorites.

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>>2639256
The amount of livers they have is pretty suffocating mainly since it isn't as clear cut as the generation label that Hololive uses.
Doesn't help they don't list each other in their related channels and some don't even put the Nijisanji label on their channel.

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>>2639256
I like Lulu. Used to watch Hana since she was one of the few EN streamers but she was too boring (and not in a comfy way either) so I stopped.

The company reminds me of WWE. Good at advertising and merch but has too much of an bloated roster and relies too much on the top guys. Their laissez faire approach in management is great for stuff like creativity but a disaster in other aspects such as hiring yab talents like Meiro and that one guy who's main goal was to fuck female nijis.

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>>2639256
Too many talents to keep track of, the lack of collabs outside of the established groups (among us clusterfucks don't count) means you'll never get exposed to ones you didn't watch before unless you go out of your way to check them and also gives less vibes of a unity as a group compared to other companies and i honestly think that's starting to hurt them
I like some of them but as individuals, as a company they just don't mean anything to me except being a recognizable name.

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>>2639256
Nijisanji is to Hololive like Pepsi is to Coke, or Sega was to Nintendo. More "extreme" and edgy, like the bad kid in a 90's disney movie.

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>>2639256
I can't really say much since I only keep up with like 1 or 2 of them, but I think they get an unfair amount of hate here for various reasons. I'd love to watch more of them, but I watch too many others already.

[Anonymous No.]

The Meiro v. Roa fiasco got me out of it

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>>2639256
some of their designs like Dola and Rindou especially Gibara RIP, there's too damn many of them like graduate half the fucking company most are worthless anyway

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>>2639256
WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY OF THEM AND MOST LOOK THE SAME

[Anonymous No.]

>T-Theres too many!
You are just weak. I can keep up with all of them.

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>>2639710
>MOST LOOK THE SAME
Blindchama...

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>>2639256
might as well watch indies

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>>2639256
too much chuubas, should graduate half of them

[Anonymous No.]

i prefer them, their collabs are comfy and funny
they remind me of friendship i never had in my teenage years

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>>2639566
Pretty much the same complaints I was going to make. Nijisanji has a branding issue outside of Japan. If you don't watch a member at least once a week, you kind of forget they are part of Nijisanji at times if you revisit them way later. They feel more like a collection of indies if they didn't have special events to remind you they are part of Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how much they actually use 3d for normal streams, rather than only on special occasions.

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>>2639256
I find their designs either boring or cringe so I haven't even bothered checking them out properly

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>>2639613
This too. I treat Hololive as one long running SOL anime which explains why I've cutdown so much on anime since last year. I only really follow like 5 of them but because of their collabs and interactions you end up getting to know some of the others through osmosis. I treat most of the other members as recurring characters (like Jun or Ui from K-On) and even though I don't watch them regularly I sometimes end up popping into their streams from time to time just to see what they're up to.

I'll say though that we are currently approaching maximum capacity at this point. 50 I think is the max number before Nijisanji syndrome starts taking effect. If I'm not forgetting anyone, Hololive now currently has 44 girls in their roster through all branches (not gonna count Homos). If anything, Id say that JP6 is the one who's gonna get shafted hard. That is of course assuming that the hype for the first JP generation in over a year doesn't carry them.

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>>2639256
If you weren't into vtubers by 2018 you don't get it

[Anonymous No.]

As a holofag that didn't bother watching their streamers/livers, I'm envious of their 3D tech. It's light years ahead of Hololive.

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>>2640044
Honestly, it feels like Cover stop perusing 3D tech and are more focused on their HoloAlt/Game dev ambitions now.

[Anonymous No.]

The opinion of newfags who only into vtuber recently, heavily rely on sub clips and only knows hololive doesn't have any value.
quit asking for here is /holo/

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some, I assume, are good people

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>>2639256
I've never watched them, haven't seen a design that would pop out to me. Probably they just don't get that much exposure in the west

[Anonymous No.]

Nijis were the ones who finally warmed me up to the idea of male V-tubers mainly Yashiro, Mayazumi, and Tenkai.

After watching them it made me feel bad for the Holostars who basically get treated like second-class citizens by almost everyone in their company except Foobs and Matsuri.

[Anonymous No.]

Luv Suisei.
Luv Tetris.
Simple as.

Luv Chigusa.
'Ate Apex.
Not as simple.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the talent is mostly decent or good, and they're basically the best reps for male vtubers in the industry. But I think the agency itself is godawful and poorly managed with extremely few upsides outside of creative freedom (which is honestly mostly attributed to neglect rather than accommodation). And the tribalists repping them are easily the absolute worst of any vtuber group, they are legitimately just awful and I am continuously surprised their collective brain cell has managed to hang on to life for as long as it has.

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>>2639393
LOL no if you can name even half of them you don't belong on vt and need to fuck off back to jp where you belong

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>>2639256
I want to fuck the stray cat

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>>2639256
They're not that bad but in terms of talent level and creativity, it's a notch below compared to Hololive. Can't really blame them though since some aren't even full timers and the company itself seems to prioritize quantity over quality to overwhelm the competition.

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>>2639566
This, when I was getting into v-tubers back in February last year I saw both Holo and Niji clips and when I tried to find their channels the linking and English names of the channels made it so much easier to get into the Hololive ecosystem.
Also I'm not sure how much of an actual difference this makes but as someone with beginner level Japanese having all the first names in kana made it so much easier, I can read 夏色まつり or 大神ミオ from just a brief glance but who the fuck are >>2639566
This, when I was getting into v-tubers back in February last year I saw both Holo and Niji clips and when I tried to find their channels the linking and English names of the channels made it so much easier to get into the Hololive ecosystem.
Also I'm not sure how much of an actual difference this makes but as someone with beginner level Japanese having all the first names in kana made it so much easier, I can read 夏色まつり or 大神ミオ from just a brief glance but who the fuck are 健屋花那 or 物述有栖?

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>>2640757
>in terms of talent level and creativity, it's a notch below compared to Hololive
They just had a 3D reveal end on a cliffhanger and plan on doing another story-based 3D to continue the lore on a separate channel in 15 minutes, you're talking out of your ass.

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>>2639256
Pretty great assembly of talent. Sadly, the horrible gatekeeping of nijiniggers will stop any further growth in the international market

[Anonymous No.]

I don't watch them other than a few Hana Macchiato clips, Niji EN if it ever comes out will be my first actual exposure to them.

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>>2640809
I can't believe 4channel is the forefront of international vtuber market

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>>2639256
My favourites got addicted addicted to APEX/ARK and I fucking hate those games. I don't care about whatever happenings or cool events other 2434 members have.

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>>2640851
Ironically yes.

[Anonymous No.]

One of my favourite videos of all time
Never fails to make me laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6-na8AVSqI

[Anonymous No.]

>>2640897
And unironically no.

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>>2640757
Where the fuck the whole Hololive have more quality/talented came from? Best Niji singer can blow best Holo singer like a dust. In fact, for a idol focused company, their singing and dancing talent is goddamn mediocre or outright horrible. As for comedy, that thing is subjective and nobody here can understand Japanese so I leave it that.

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>>2640909
Whatever dude. Vtubers are pretty niche. You got to understand that they barely get discussed anywhere. That's why they try to appeal to Reddit and shit.

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>>2641015
Most of these opinions are from people who have watched very little to none of what they're commenting on.

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>>2641015
>nobody here can understand Japanese so I leave it that.
projecting eop
Many such cases, sad

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>>2641056
Yes, they appeal to Reddit and not here because Reddit is actually relevant to the masses. The only "reach" schizos on 4chan have is dislike bombing HoloEN streams after minor controversies... to the tune of 70 dislikes compared to 10 thousand likes.

[Anonymous No.]

>memes aside

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>>2641107
the subreddit looks pretty dead anyways
lots of posts but next to no comments

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>>2639256
Feels like store brand Hololive.

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>>2641221
And yet it's still more active than any Nijisanji thread on this website. Funny how that works.

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>>2639256
Too much specialist in Niji. It's good because it's creating uniqueness between Nijis but it's bad because viewers of one Niji are less interested to watch other Niji because they have very different contents

[Anonymous No.]

The roster is too large and the character designs are lackluster (that guy who looks like The Joker from Batman makes me wretch everytime I see it). In addition to this the character designs are also all over the place and lack a consistent theme which makes it seem like a bunch of random people slapped together instead of one big family like Hololive.

I also don't like how top heavy they are. Despite having such a massive roster only a handful of them are actually relevent to Nijisanji as a whole. Contrast this with Hololive where even bottom feeders like Roboco, Aki, and Mel are still included in all events, not forgotten about, and are treated as just as important as heavy hitters like Pekora, Marine, and Miko.

In other words, no sir, I do not like Nijisanji and haven't watched them since I got into vtubers in 2019 and was watching everybody trying to figure out what I liked.

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>>2641418
>In addition to this the character designs are also all over the place and lack a consistent theme which makes it seem like a bunch of random people slapped together instead of one big family like Hololive.
What's Hololive's theme? The only thing they all have in common is that they're cute girls.

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>>2641517
otaku serving slut that's what they are

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>>2641418
>I also don't like how top heavy they are...

This part is bullshit though. Almost the entire company including foreign branches was going to be in Nijifes, you get people like Uiha and Kyouko getting full segments of it to themselves even while people like Utako and Akabane are the only members featured in ads played through out the thing. While there are people involved in record contracts and seiyuu gigs that struggle to break 2000 or even less viewers on the stage with 3D. Their regular programs feature people from all over the spectrum of popularity. The last episode of their new variety show had Levi on it, the next episode of their quiz show has Kirame on it, the previous episode of a new show they just started had Karuta on it, Ritsuki was in the stage version of their regular 3D show at Nijifes. Their big tournaments have everyone involved who wants to be, the last two were won by sub 1000 viewer members. They even rotate the hosting of the radio show between members having Chigusa currently.

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>>2639256
I don't watch them, Hololive consumes all my time.

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>>2641015
I think a lot of it comes from simply not knowing about half of what actually goes on. A lot of the most interesting streams you are never even going to know happened unless you are paying attention to the members on twitter or constantly lurking the threads here. Considering even when you are paying attention you can quite often end up being surprised.

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>>2641973
>A lot of the most interesting streams
There are no interesting streams in Niggersanji

[Anonymous No.]

idk, I don't even think about their brand when I watch a niji. just enjoy their personality and move on

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>>2642065
i'm 35 and live in my mom's basement, i don't understand a single word of japanese but niggersanji must be bad since hololive has enough eop praising bitches that satisfy my dick.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing is going to change. It's a japanese fad with japanese talents aimed at japanese people. EOPs literally do nothing but pay in exposure. This is as bad as trying to get other countries to like american football

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>>2642287
>EOPs literally do nothing but pay in exposure
/vyt/ timetraveller-san...

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>>2642321
But he is right tho. At this moment it seem that Hololive is in meteoric rise. But the truth is they just barely reached Niji level and barely manage stand toe to toe with Niji. Yet Nijisanji have more clout and influence in Japan entertainment industry. Maybe Hololive might surpass Nijisanji if Yagoo can play his card right, but right now, they are still no 2 in Japanese vtubing agency.

[Anonymous No.]

The only niji I watched consistently was Roa, but she's dead now.
Sometimes I watch Gundou, Rindou, Rion, Tomoe, Nui, Lulu, Rikiichi, or Honhima. But generally only when nobody else I prefer is streaming.
That is why I started watching Roa in the first place, I think; she streamed a lot during evening euro hours.

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>>2639256
i can save them all

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I watch the ones I like (Shizurin, Chima, Ryoushen, Melissa, Chaika) and don't really bother with the others unless it's a special stream or a 3D collab, the amount of talents is overwhelming but just pick who you like and ignore the rest bc a lot of them keep to themselves or a few regular collab partners, try to learn some japanese bc unlike hololive they really don't have a lot of overseas fans or clips so translations for some announcements and a lot of their jokes in general will prob go over your head, they have variety so there's probably someone who streams/talks about something you like, it's just up to you to find them

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>>2639588
>yab talents like Meiro
Imagine failing at hiring so bad, you don't just get someone that goes into meltdown, but someone that takes one of your top talent and your company's reputation with them. I can't imagine the amount of internal reviews that happened after that shitshow.
>>2641833
>This part is bullshit though.
Not him and you are right, but the perception is such and for a reason. Some of the livers streams once a week or so and a lot of the talent doesn't have what one would perceive as top tier numbers. If you're supposed to represent one of the biggest brands out there, people expect to see it reflected in the talent.

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>>2639256
Alice and Ririmu 3D looks better than Cover. I barely know about the rest of Niji.

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>>2639256
Some of the individual streamers are great. Overall, they have too many streamers with too many ridiculous designs. It's a clusterfuck.

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>>2639256
>>2639950
This, all of their charm comes from 2018-19, if you didn't experience it, you will never get it, may as well ignore them and leave them alone, now a day I only follow those indies/small company vtubers I have been following around 2018 and Nijisanji, I never into Hololive as their content are boring and too much idol faggottry to me

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>>2639256
I mainly watch Luna and Ina but I do like Belmond. Caught him playing Assassin's Creed one day and watched his Metal Gear playthrough.

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>>2639256
I like the freedom that they have these days. They pretty much can say and do whatever with next to no restrictions. I also like that their content typically isn't set up by management. This makes their collabs, interactions, and choice of content feel a lot more genuine, because it means that the streamer themself wanted to do it. I also like that they are also part of the vtuber community instead of being isolated from it. In the early days, a lot of the fun from watching vtubers was seeing a bunch of them from different places interacting. You can really tell that Nijisanji is owned by a young guy rather than a middle-aged corporate number cruncher.

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>>2641417
ding ding ding, this guy knows what up, there is a big overlap between holo fanbase makes that seem like there are very big audience while in niji, the one watching Tokyo Ghoul will never watch Mito or cunny llike Enma, makes it looks like a indie union

[Anonymous No.]

>>2641221
>Dead
>10000 concurrent visitors a day

Yeah sure

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>>2639256
At least they are not Holocancer. I used to love Hololive but I avoid it like the plague ever since EN cringe debut

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>>2639256
I can understand there's a lot of them, but so far im liking Chaika, Mashiro and Akina, they can be entertaining

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>>2639447
Im glad it is currently not getting infected by western cancer. Fuck that shit.

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>>2643609
And Hololive is the opposite of Nijisanji, it's very generalist or jack of all trades. It's can be good because the viewers can be overlapping but the bad thing is that the contents are feeling samey

[Anonymous No.]

Thinking about it more, them not obligating at least the mid to low level talent to stream at least 3x a week is what's fucking them over. And them just hiring people who consider streaming as a hobby isnt doing them any favors either.

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>>2644103
That is why they have numbers. They use their massive amount of streamers to avoid dead hours and every time slots have at least 2 livers fill it.

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>>2639256
i think iinchou not wanting to have memberships so nobody gets excluded its pretty wholesome

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>>2644271
As a general strategy for the company it works, but in terms of the mid to low level talent building rapport and expanding their own viewers, I really think streaming in a more consistent manner would be better. People now a days have such a small attention span that entertainers need to constantly engage the masses just to keep their name out there.

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>>2639256
>Memes aside, what is your honest opinion on Nijisanji?
No matter what shills says, Nijisanji ABSOLUTELY "throws shit at the wall and see what sticks". Their quality and decision-making is way to random to say otherwise.

>What do you like
When Nijis nail something theyre fucking amazing
>and dislike
When they fuck up its not like its bad but its like "WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WOULD MAKE A GOOD LIVER? WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THIS?
And dont get me started with their character designs
"WHY ARE YOU PAYING GOD-TIER ARTISTS JUST TO MAKE SCHOOLKIDS AND DUDES IN CASUAL OUTFIT POST-2020? THE MARKET IS TOO SATURATED FOR THAT!"

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>>2644649
>People now a days have such a small attention span
Reminder that while Ai isn't doing as hot on Youtube, she has over 3 million followers on TikTok and is regularly pulling 200k views.

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>>2644800
Which doesn't really disapprove what I said. Doing tiktok vids is honestly a business savy strategy for Ai since it plays to her strengths (short, entertaining vids) and keeps engagement up.

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>>2639256
I am still waiting on Nijisanji English, as I don't watch vtubers I can't understand normally. YouTube is always recommending Hayama to me though and she's cute, I just can't understand her.

[Anonymous No.]

I think they're fine. They've got some pretty unique streams going on and from what I can tell a lot of their top talent is well adjusted, mature, and friendly. Also very funny.

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>>2639256
I only watch Alice and I really like her playing chill guitar + singing sessions. It's really nice. I don't watch anyone else.

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>>2644103
This and >>2641417. Imagine finding out about a new chuuba, waiting to see them live before watching archives, and they don't stream for an entire week. Also, someone used comments to try and figure out the overlap between viewers.

https://twitter.com/2434livemoment/status/1377278125399187460

The first number is how many viewers are exclusive to them. Then the correlations show how much they overlap for top 3. So the higher the left number the better.

Another thing is looking at the metatags from playboard. Nearly every member in Hololive has ホロライブ and Hololive as their #1/#2 tag, but when you look at Niji, few have Niji as their #1 tag, while more have it has #2. The main stand out is how many members have their own tags as #1/#2.

https://playboard.co/en/search?q=%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96
https://playboard.co/en/search?q=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98

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>>2639566
Why would they put hundreds of their fellow members in their related channels section when one could just go to the website if they wanted to see the list of members

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>>2646519
>https://twitter.com/2434livemoment/status/1377278125399187460
Why there's no thing like that for Hololive?

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>>2646653
inconvenience

[Anonymous No.]

Has a lot of fun and interesting people, but its quite hard to get into it if you don't know much Japanese. Honestly, I'm fine with Nijisanji not getting popular overseas. I will never trade the chats of Mito, Kenmochi, or any other liver for foreign popularity.

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>>2639256
Sometimes I fap to Aizono Manami. But I don't watch her streams

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>>2644800
>short videos
>200k views

Why so low? Most holomem short videos could go up to millions views

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>>2646713
cause major of hololive fans are overlap, ever see their campaign to encourage fans subscribe to everyone? that is one of the aspect of idol culture

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>>2646818
If you understand the moon rune spam in chat, then explain what foreign popularity would change about it so much.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to marry Ange

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>>2646805
Pretty sure it would be more inconvenient to scroll through hundreds of channels than just going to the website with a clear UI that shows everything
Besides that, there actually are some members who list their unit members under the related channels section

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not obsessed with numbers so I think them allowing part-time streamers in the roster is a nice thing to do, gives people a way to get some extra money.
They sure know how to suck people's wallet with the seasonal voicepack thing, luckily there's only one liver I'm willing to absolutely buy.
The one thing I don't like is how they handle their world/en account, it's basically a glorified clip channel while fun stuff like levergacha, nijibara are nowhere to be seen.

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>>2647136
Streamers like the one I listed in my post interact with the chat very often; they pick up jokes and do banter with the listeners. Of course they still get garbage in runes, but at least they can read that so they can joke about it before blocking them. If they get more foreign popularity and get a lot of tactless English-speaking viewers spamming the comments with nonsensical English comments, then they wouldn't be able to do that much anymore, which would affect the streaming experience for both sides.
A recent example is this https://streamable.com/orlm1w, it's a shitty joke, but it could still be turned into something funny because the liver can actually read it.

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>>2647136
One of the most dishonest arguments

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>>2639256
I like the JKGumi, Ange and Toko
I dislike they don't pander to EOPs as much as the Holos do.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijis dont have to pander to EOP and wont pander if they dont want, if they want they will do lame english classes streams and will get forgotten in 1 month

This is fact, if you dont like it go watch vshojo or random indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>2647534
>lame english classes streams
Not different from anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2639256
I love Sara, Fumi, Fuyuki, Lulu, Inui, Nui, Furen, Rena, Dola, Haruka, Ratna and Kirame. Everyone else are whos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2647921
Although, I do watch Mito and Tamaki, sometimes.

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>>2639950
This hits hard but it's true.

[Anonymous No.]

I like the lesbos

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>>2646713
There usually isn't any thing like that for most. That's just a pet project for that dude and he happens to like Niji instead. Same reason as Holotools, NijiWiki, etc. These kinds of things are in short supply, and as to whether they decided to follow Holo or Niji, you might as well just roll a die.

[Anonymous No.]

I will tell you how the recent "Nijisanji" is seen in Japan.
As a premise, please know that vtube itself is a genre that many otaku dislike in Japan because of its pros and cons. Japanese nerds are now obsessed with Uma Musume
vtuber is recognized as a disgusting guy who makes money.
By the way, although it is Nijisanji, most Japanese otaku think that it is the largest in Japan, which values tradition too much because it is a long-established huge office.
However, 10% who are watching vtuber know that Nijisanji is stagnant. The biggest reason is that we lag behind Hololive in our global strategy.
Although vtuber is disliked in Japan, it was a bad idea to promote and promote for Japan and decide to dissolve the overseas group once.
Furthermore, as already pointed out here, the frequency of individual activities is low despite the large number of people, and there is almost no "tete", and it is terrible as an individual or as multiple people. Most members do not exceed 10,000 simultaneous connections, and the number of registered channels does not exceed 500,000. In Japan, some people say that Hololive and Nijisanji have almost the same content, but most of Nijisanji are at the same level as the bottom of Hololive and have no character.
I continue to do unattractive APEC. Princess Luna, who is said to have been in Nijisanji originally, has overtaken her seniors at the time and Nijisanji members who were more popular than herself.
There is a follow-up that the numbers are not all, but Japanese companies are gradually offering to Hololive, and the popularity of companies in Japan is also reversed. In other words, even companies have recognized that there is more value in Hololive.
Even if I offer it to Nijisanji, the top class is suspended and there are no 1 million registrants.
Nijisanji's strengths are that it currently has the most popular male streamers and that it is stronger in 3D and larger projects than Hololive. The most popular Nijisanji now is "Kuzuha", and we have overtaken the who is the top female Nijisanji. He is the only Nijisanji with 760,000 registrants, surpassing Shishiro, has a high rate of simultaneous connections, and has a high number of "Kano", "Fuwa", and "Ibrahim" who act well with him and do APEx. It's popular. In addition, there are "Kenmochi" and "Yashiro" that are recognized by male users, and "Rikiichi" like the parody of Joker mentioned here is becoming the main force in Nijisanji.
In fact, even in the BL uproar caused by Hololive Mikoto Marin the other day, some fujoshi screamed, "Except for boy vtuber, it's a waste woman!" The popularity of male streamers is overwhelmingly higher than that of Hololive's male division. However, it is a double-edged sword that is unusual for APEx boys such as "Kuzuha" and the uninterestingness of male nerds. It is said that it may be stagnant because it recently caused something like the jay incident of Gawr Gura. And if the global strategy succeeds in the future, will it be like Hololive? I must say that the question is very difficult.
This is because, as mentioned earlier, there are few interactions, but there are many people and the frequency of distribution is low. The quality is as per the among collaboration with vshojyo, and English chat was the mainstream for "Kizuna AI", but only about 1500 Japanese people came to "Higuchi" for Nijisanji, and the total of three Japanese people was simultaneous The number of connections was less than the super chat time of Yukihana Lamy at the same time.
It was a symbolic broadcast of how much attention was not paid to it.

Sorry with Google Translate in Japanese!

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>>2650076
Use DeepL next time for translation purposes.

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>>2650231
this. deepl is 10x better

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>>2650076
教えてくれてありがとう、でも...
なぜ朝の四時に4chanを読んでいるの?

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>>2650405
おまいう

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>>2650076
「にじさんじ衰退論」ですか?

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>>2650076
Why do you people always translate in riddles?

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>>2640044
meds

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I think Debi and Lulu are cute. Other than that I know next to nothing about them. I also don't really have any interest in learning more about them.

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>>2650076
med time schizo-kun

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>>2650076
Are you one of the JPs that stayed when they opened the gate here?

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>>2650076
Please paste the Japanese text you wrote. To prove that you didn’t just take this from 5ch or some tabloid site.

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>>2650076
Epitome of a man consumed by numbers.

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>>2640044
look at tsukino mito's standard 3d model and you'll be pretty happy with your holo models

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>>2650691
We should do that culture exchange shit every month, trade info and discuss shit.

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>>2650783
I’ve been wondering if they’ve ever talked about what this board thinks of Nijisanji

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>>2650076
so we are doomed after all

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>>2650698
It sounds like fairly typical perspective of someone from the 5ch anti threads or what you would gather if you spend a lot of time reading matome sites. Could just be someone larping who reads those though.

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>>2650076
Why are EOP holoniggers always like this? They always falseflagging and larping as nijifan

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>>2650928
says the eop larping as a nijisanji fan

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>>2650698
There's no tabloid site or post that long that directly addresses the question. Either way, I doubt he's not just a poster here who typed in JP/EN and then google tled it. Or he's someone who came from that thread switching with Futaba, which means he mainly follows Holo anyways.

Why is Uma Musume not google tled? Why are you putting quotes around some members and not others?

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>>2650691

日本では最近の「にじさんじ」がどのように見られているかお伝えします。前提として日本ではvtubeそのものが賛否両論でオタクの中でも嫌っている人が多いジャンルであることを知ってください。日本のオタクは今、ウマ娘に夢中でvtuberは金稼ぎをする嫌な奴らとして認識されています。さて、にじさんじなのですが老舗の巨大事務所であるため伝統を重んじすぎる日本では最大手だと日本のオタクの殆どが思っています。しかしvtuberを見ている一割はにじさんじが停滞している事を知っています。最も大きな理由はホロライブにグローバル戦略で遅れをとったことです。日本ではvtuberが嫌われているのに日本向けのプロモーションや宣伝展開をし、海外グループを一度解散する事にしたのは悪手でした。更にここでも既に指摘されている通り人数が多い割りに個々の活動頻度は少なく、更に「てぇてぇ」も殆どなくギクシャクしていて個人としても複数としても酷いものです。同時接続数は殆どのメンバーが一万を越えず、チャンネル登録数は50万を越えません。日本ではホロライブとにじさんじは内容は殆ど同じだと言う人もいますが、にじさんじの大半はホロライブのボトムと同じレベルであり、キャラクターとしての格がありません。魅力がないAPECをし続けています。元々にじさんじにいたと言われるルーナ姫が当時の先輩や自分より人気だったにじさんじメンバーを抜き去ってしまいました。数字が全てではない、というフォローもありますが段々と日本の企業もホロライブにオファーするようになり、日本国内の企業人気でも逆転されています。つまり価値がホロライブの方があると企業にまで認められてしまった。何せにじさんじにオファーしてもトップクラスが休止してますし100万人登録者が一人もいないのですから。にじさんじが優れているのは現在は最も人気な男性ストリーマーを有する点とホロライブより3Dや大型の企画には強い事です。にじさんじで今最も人気なのは「葛は」でありにじさんじの女性トップである「委員長」を抜き去りました。彼はにじさんじでは唯一シシロを抜いて76万登録者であり、同時接続数でも高いレートを持ち、彼と行動を良く共にしてAPECをする「叶」「不破」「イブラヒム」も高い人気です。また男性ユーザーにも認められている「剣持」「やしろ」などがおりここで挙がっているジョーカーのパロディのような「力一」などもにじさんじでは主戦力となりつつあります。実際、先日ホロライブのみことマリンが起こしたBL騒動においても「男の子vtuber以外は屑女!」と絶叫する腐女子も見られました。男性ストリーマーの人気はホロライブの男性部門と比べ圧倒的に上です。しかし、「葛は」を始めとしたAPEC男子の口汚さや男性オタクから見たときの面白くなさは尋常ではなく、諸刃の剣です。最近がうるぐらのjay事件のような事を起こしたりした為、停滞するのではないかと言われています。それと今後もしもグローバル戦略で成功したらホロライブのようになるか?その問いには非常に難しいと言わねばなりません。何故ならば先の通り相互作用が少ないのに人数が多く、配信頻度が低いからです。そのクオリティーはvshojyoとのamongコラボレーションの通りで、「キズナアイ」は英語チャットが主流でしたがにじさんじの「樋口」は日本人が1500人程度来ていただけで、日本人三人の合計同時接続数は同時刻の雪花ラミィのスーパーチャットタイム以下でした。如何に注目されていないか象徴的な放送でした。日本語のGoogle翻訳でsorry!

これを少し直した。まとめサイトは見ていません

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>>2651041

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I hope for their success

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>>2650076
This kind of reflects how I feel. Nijisanji is obviously great and well established bit have become a bit stagnant. Hololive's global expansion on the other hand is very exciting and as somebody who remembers when Kizuna Ai was virally popular in the west, it's kind of amazing to see the whole vtuber thing catch on again after it kind of faded away in the west.

Props to hololive for jumping on a boom like that. It's no question that they got lucky due to the pandemic and clippers. However they recognized that and jumped on it full force, got an english speaking branch out, saw massive success, and while a lot of the casuals have dropped off they are now solidly established and will remain successful. Hololive's forward thinking when it comes to global expansion allowed them to get the branch out quickly at the height of the vtuber boom. Hololive was very proactive while it feels like Niji is simply being reactive to the success hololive has had. I fear they waited too long but I still wish NijiEN success. We will see.

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uoooooooooooh

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>>2651055
>Why is Uma Musume not google tled?
Neither does for me, Google probably recognizes it as some kind of brand name

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>>2651075
Why do you keep writing 葛は

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>>2651169
The anime title wasn't translated either when it was localized.

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>>2650076
I assumed the “tete” you’re referring to Team work and bonding among members like Hololive

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>>2651075
5chかふたばから来たんですか。”ホロファンは大体箱推し、にじファンは一人か二人しか見ない”という意見はどう思いますか。”日本の企業もホロライブにオファーする”について、特に何の企業ですか。

日本語下手くてすみません。

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>>2639256
I dont care about the vast majority simply due to the size, but I'm not gonna be a tribalnigger
Overall the ones I do watch are entertaining or funny, which is why I like them

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>>2639256
I think I should impale that panda girl with my cock. That's my honest opinion on Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

I love the cute Hamster Chima! Please watch her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41KFaq4UXc

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>>2651169
Google recognizes it as a brand name if you only type in that, but as a sentence it translates it.

>>2651242
The anime title isn't google translated. Either way, the JP seems legit.

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>>2651055
Certainly I am a hololive user.
However, when I first saw vtuber, I was the 委員長, and from there I also saw other rivers. Writing such a thing in Japan would be even more cursed, and there is no place in Japan to write it, so I thought about it. As a result, it is a reflection that the template "Nijisanji is late in overseas expansion and loses to Hololive" and "Men are popular but have problems with their behavior and are uneasy". I don't think there is much difference between Google Translate and Dipper.
Uma Musume transformed with Horse Musume.
I never thought Google would convert it as a brand.

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>>2651652
>I don't think there is much difference between Google Translate and Dipper
>Dipper
This is why you need to use DeepL you stubborn faggot.

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>>2651652
yeah I think this is legit.
this type of broken sentence can only be caused by google

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>>2651652
You sound like a drama queen

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>>2651652
https://note.com/ppoch/n/na812d929a7d4
Come here with your goon

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>>2651652
As an N5, Uma Musume means Horse Daughter

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>a ChaturBate camgirl, a washed up /a/ shitposter, an e- girl and her mom, a dude with TTS, some Bri'ish Polska Stacy, a Latina with superAIDS, and the *other* white girl weeaboo living in Japan are more of an existential threat to Cover and Hololive than Nijisanji

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>>2651075
>数字が全てではない、というフォローもありますが段々と日本の企業もホロライブにオファーするようになり、日本国内の企業人気でも逆転されています。つまり価値がホロライブの方があると企業にまで認められてしまった
なんて興味深い観測
その企業とは? CAPCOMン以外で。

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>>2651893
>a dude with TTS
Do we really have proof of this? It keeps getting tossed around but I don't see why they'd have a dude in their midst when there are MORE than enough e-girl whores to recruit

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>>2650691

I translated the whole thing using DeepL instead with a few edits. Thanks for the info btw


I will tell you how NijiSanji is viewed in Japan these days. The premise of this article is that vtube itself is a controversial genre that many otaku dislike in Japan. Japanese otaku are now obsessed with Uma Musume, and vtubers are perceived as money-making jerks. Now, most Japanese otaku think that Niji Sanji is the biggest company in Japan because it is a huge, well-established company but it values tradition too much. 10% of vtubers who watch vtubers know that NijiSanji is stagnating. The biggest reason is that it has fallen behind Hololive in its global strategy. While vtubers are hated in Japan, it was a bad move to promote and advertise ony in Japan while disband its overseas group. In addition, as many has already been pointed out here, the frequency of individual activities is low for such a large number of people, and there is little "Bonding sessions", which makes the group rather awkward among individuals and as a group. Most of the members do not have more than 10,000 lived viewers, and the number of channel subscribers does not exceed 500,000. In Japan, some people say that the content of Hololive and Nijisanji is almost the same, but most of the top nijisanji members is on the same level as Hololive least popular member. They continue to do only APEX streams that has no appeal. Princess Luna, who is said to have originally been in Nijisanji, has overtaken her previous seniors and also Nijisanji members who were more popular than her. Although, There is a follow-up saying that numbers are not everything, but Japanese companies have gradually started to offer their services to Hololive, and the popularity of Hololive in Japan has been increasing. In other words, hololive has been recognized by big companies as having more value since even the top Nijisanji liver does not even exceed a million suscribers. However, The best thing about Nijisanji is that it has the most popular male streamers at the moment, and it is better at 3D and large scale projects than holo-live. Kuzuha is currently the most popular male streamer on Nijisanji, surpassing the top female streamer on Nijisanji, the committee chairman. He is the only one in Nijisanjiwith 760,000 suscribers, surpassing Cicillo, and has a high rate of concurrent viewers. He and his fellow APEX players "Kano", "Fuwa", and "Ibrahim" are also very popular. Kenmochi and Yashiro are also recognized by male users, and Rikichi, a parody of the Joker mentioned here, is also becoming a major force in NijiSanji. In fact, in the recent BL fiasco caused by Hololive's Miko and Marine, some fujoshi screamed, "Anybody who isn't a boy vtuber is a trashy bitch!" The popularity of male streamers is increasing here. The popularity of nijisanji male division is overwhelmingly higher than that of the male division of Hololive. However, the foul-mouthedness of Kuzuha and other APEx boys and their lack of fun from a male otaku's perspective is not uncommon and is a double-edged sword. With the recent events like the Urukura jay incident, it is said that the market will stagnate. Also, if they succeed in their global strategy, will they be like Hololive? I would have to say it is very difficult to answer that question. This is because, as mentioned earlier, there are too many people with too little interaction, and the streams is too infrequent. As you can see from the among collaborations with VSHOJYO, the quality of the chats was for Kizuna Ai was predominantly english, but NijiSanji's Higuchi chats had only about 1,500 Japanese users, and the total number of lived viewers for the three Japanese users was less than the super chat time of Lamy Yukihana at the same time. It was a symbolic broadcast of how little attention we were getting.

I fixed this a bit. I haven't looked at the summary site.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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>>2652219
If it was a girl they wouldn't use TTS.

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>>2652293
>With the recent events like the Urukura jay incident, it is said that the market will stagnate.
He was talking about Gura’s Jay incident, I don’t know what that has to do with male vtubers or female viewers though

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>>2652293
Much better.

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>>2652219
I'm just baiting, honestly. I literally couldn't name a single Niji. I forgot "NTR enthusiast" for Froot.

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>>2639256
Honest answer.
I don't have an opinion about 99% of them because I don't know Japanese and 99% of them don't get enough translations. Also their designs are too generic for me.
The only one I ever watched is Ars because she's a super cute minecraft autist.

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>>2652508
I'm also confused by that part when translating it. Maybe some sort of incident among JOP community that we don't know? Although, I do agree with him that the market in japan will become stagnant very soon.

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>>2652293
what is the jay incident?

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>>2652784
Nobody say a damn thing.

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>>2652784
Gura opened a Sara Jay video on stream by accident and had to delete the VOD.

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>>2639256
The ones that are in the mid and upper 200k subs are pretty cool and interesting. If they're below that? Don't even bother (except for Hisui and Akane). Oh the girl that just had 3D debut earlier is nice...but boring. She really shines when it comes to 3D stuff though.

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>>2652784
Gura accidentally had a bunch of Bailey Jay vids open on her browser

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>>2652731
I tried searching through twitter to see if I could get a better clue but found nothing
Except for this which made me laugh
>がうるぐら彼氏バレで炎上してるらしいけど海外のバチャ豚は銃持ってるから怖いね

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>>2652813
No, I know who is Jay, and that he played with her before, but I didn't know that lead to something in the JOP community

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I want to get cucked by Angie.

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>>2652784
Gura straight up has a boyfriend she's SNEEDING and FEEDING and JOPs don't like that.

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>>2652990
Based JOPs giving proper feedback

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>>2639256
I don’t hate Nijisanji. I hate their fucktard fans but that don’t reflect too much on the streamer themselves.
I hate that they always have some fucked up shitty problem and that their internal management is a shitshow for all the wrong reason, that there is always so much behind the scene drama since their entire company is a free for all.
I like some Nijisanji members, especially those that know the Holos and collab with them. Yashiro, Minamoto, Shina and the others. Seeing them being friends and having fun together warms my heart. What I don’t like is that there are pieces of shits who two face, collabing then proceeding to bad mouth them on a fucking imageboard like that one stupid cunt.
Other than that, I’m indifferent among Nijisanji. Might get mildly annoyed seeing them mentioned due to being a Holofag but nothing too serious.

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>>2651652
>Certainly I am a hololive user
Who.would have thought it

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>>2653071
>collabing then proceeding to bad mouth them on a fucking imageboard like that one stupid cunt.
Anon, Sio wasn't a Niji and 5ch isn't an imageboard.

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>>2653071
>What I don’t like is that there are pieces of shits who two face, collabing then proceeding to bad mouth them on a fucking imageboard like that one stupid cunt.
Sio wasn't a Niji though...

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I guess he left

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>>2653129
>>2653132
And talked shit about Nijis too, like Naraka and Luis.

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>>2653088
Although that is the case, it is interesting to see from the JOP perspective. Still, I also want to see it from a Njisanji's JOP fan perspective as well.

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>>2653071
>I hate that they always have some fucked up shitty problem and that their internal management is a shitshow for all the wrong reason
Don't think there has been any major drama relating to management since mid last year? Hololive has had multiple internal management related drama since then with like the Pekora shit or Haato having to delete all those videos and going on break.
>collabing then proceeding to bad mouth them on a fucking imageboard like that one stupid cunt.
that wasn't a Niijisanji member

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>>2653129
>>2653132
>>2653183
>>2653248
I guess I'm retarded then and should do more reps. At least that's one less thing I can take back from hating Niji for but doesn't mean I don't trust other vtubers outside of Holo any less.

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>>2651316
I'm sorry.
I dare to continue with Google Translate.
By the way, the first "Hololive has many fans in the group. Nijisanji has many fans with only one person", but this is yes.
The reason is collaboration, but Hololive often creates a friendly atmosphere with the same surname. On the other hand, Nijisanji is often gathered by men and women due to company planning, and individual fans do not like it.
Fans are jealous when men and women get along well.
As for the relationship between the same surnames, it can be seen that "Tsukino and the chairman" are "Higuchi" and "Rize", but other women are conspicuous in male and female groups such as "Rebagacha". The absolute number and relationships of the teams I want to support are weak.
In recent years, "Kuzuha" has formed a team to play Apex, and the male side has formed a group such as the regular broadcast of "Maimoto and Rikiichi". I think this is also the reason why Nijisanji is becoming more popular with men. By the way, it seems that women tend to be individual enthusiastic fans, as the word "refusal to share" is used. Although I derailed, the number of people who like Nijisanji as a team is less than that of Hololive.

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>>2653291
You shouldn’t trust anyone. Life lesson

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>>2653295
If you’re going to continue to use Google Translate, can you at least attach the original Japanese text with it. Because this is very confusing to read.

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>>2653295
>I dare to continue with Google Translate
I'm going to kill you. Never use this website again. I will rape your first born child.

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>>2653295
Why the fuck do you insist on using Google Translate?

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>>2653295
Just pitching in that "Rebagacha" is Lever Gacha, the program (Lever Gacha Daipain) with Yashiro and Sasaki as the hosts

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>>2653295
When people told me that Japanese people are stubborn for a wrong reasons. They are not kidding

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>>2653295
Can't believe they all fuck together every time they finish recording an episode of Levergacha, thanks Japan, we will now label Sasaki and Yashiro as the biggest whores of Nijisanji

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>>2653531
Knowing that my boy Yashiro is getting some vtuber pussy actually makes me happy,
>The portraits on the wall are actually trophies of the people banged by Sasaki and Yashiro
Who banged Ryushen though?

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>>2653529
I get some of it. The stuff about males and females collabing don't care. But I feel like the guys try harder and do group stuff more. And the top girls not so much. How often is there Sanbaka collabs, Gals, Pons, Sakuyui whatever? People like Ange, Sasaki and Himawari seemed more popular before they either took long breaks or started streaming a lot less.

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>>2653746
shit replied to the wrong post>>2653295

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>>2653736
The 2 at the same time through the asshole
More importantly, the next victims in the new renovated sexroom next week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TZE_ASx_j4

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[Anonymous No.]

>>2653746
From my understanding, japanese viewers gets mad when male/female characters collab, and would prefer some sort of segregation like Hololive. They are ok with male/male pairings, especially among female fans who "don't want to share" them with the vtuber gals
the "surname" part should probably be "brand" and the gist is basically what everyone else says, hololive gives an aura of friendly atmosphere because everyone is included which is lacking in nijisanji

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>>2653918
I took "The absolute number and relationships of the teams I want to support are weak" to mean a low frequency of collabing between the girl collab groups (teams I want to support).

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>>2653918
I thought they weren’t supposed to care about male/female interactions or collabs.
I guess adding in the fujos adds another layer though

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>>2654137
Remember he is posting from a Hololive fans perspective.

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>>2651984
Of course, CAPCOM is also, but more than that, it is after "Nissin Curry Meshi". If you are a game maker, Hololive has done a lot of promotion for Sega, Square, TAITO and Cygames. What was more shocking this year than these was the difference in how to put effort into convenience stores. Collaborations were held alternately with Hololive and Nijisanji in the FamilyMart group in Japan. Nijisanji only pasted existing illustrations on products, but Hololive developed original illustration goods. As a result, I think that "Nijisanji's public relations" should reflect on the humiliation of Nijisanji Baby Star Ramen. I wish I had made a clear file of Kuzu. Even so, Kizuna AI and Nijisanji are still popular, but I think the number of Nijisanji will decrease as the number of Hololives increases. And I think that the corporate planning when Nijisanji was the top group when it was closed to the public due to the rights issue with CAPCOM is almost exhausted. Oops, this is my very ridiculous.

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>>2653918
>japanese viewers gets mad when male/female characters collab
Hisui outright told those types to fuck off and she's the second most popular girl of her gen. Only the reincarnation is above her.
The anti-male/female collab people seem like a loud minority to me, at least among Nijisanji viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop replying to the Jap who insists on using Google Translate and posting walls of texts, you're giving him an ego the size of a mountain

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>>2653918
>japanese viewers
More like Hololive viewers.
The JP dude himself even admitted that he is a Hololive fan. You shouldn't take his opinion with too much faith.

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>>2653918
But that isn't really true for Nijisanji, this is mostly the case for the braindead idolfags from holo

[Anonymous No.]

I like watching Himawari for several reasons...

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>>2653071
>I don’t hate Nijisanji. I hate their fucktard fans
> What I don’t like is that there are pieces of shits who two face, collabing then proceeding to bad mouth them on a fucking imageboard like that one stupid cunt.
Typical holonigger, don't know shit but always shittalk other

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>>2654222
As usual, it's the people dissenting the one who raise the voice, also i'm just trying to translate better what nihonniki said
>>2654137
I purposedly avoided using fujo as a term and he didn't either. "not wanting to share" their male oshi with a girl doesn't necessarily mean they're fujos. They might be going for the BFE the same way the male fanbase gets baited into the GFE, and exactly like that you don't mind your oshi collabing with another girl but you don't start shipping all of them as a yuri couple just because they get along well.

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>>2654216
Yagoo pretty much stated that Nissin Curry Meshi was a turning point and after that, companies started coming to him with sponsorship offers.

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>>2653295
Why not include japanese text here instead?

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>>2654343
Nah there are mentally ill/sensitive Niji fans who sperg if someone “oversteps their boundary” (which can include the littlest of actions) during a male+female collab, and some who hold resentment over males who interact with lots of females and vice versa, but like someone already said they’re a loud minority

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>>2653295
are you larping? attach the original Japanese text with it

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>>2654222
I think you got it backwards. Hisui's subscriber count couldn't beat a dead Aloe's even after more than 6 months has passed. There's certainly a merit as to why people say male female collabs should be avoided.

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>>2654596
Don't really think it's related to that. Holofans just automatically support any new Holo, whereas there's less people like that with Niji.

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>>2654596
Bad comparison. A Holo is a Holo even when dead, and Holos get a gorillion free subs just for being Holos.
Comparing her to her gen is way more fair, and again, she's losing only to Hero's reincarnation(who, by the way, also regularly collabs with males).

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>>2654325
and that's a jap holonigger to boost kek, holoniggers are all tribalist

[Anonymous No.]

I was unexpectedly surprised to read the response to my statement.
Especially that there seem to be more people from Japan than just me, and that Google Translate hates me!
So I'm going to use Dippel. Oh, don't kill me, I'm afraid.

I was certainly more holololive leaning than I thought I was. I realized this when I wrote it myself.

In Japan, there is absolutely no place to talk about these things in vtuber to begin with.
This is because individual fans will immediately start fighting.
That's why I was immediately asked, "Is this a compilation site? I was shocked when I was asked if I was on a compilation site. ......
However, as a perspective from someone who lives in Japan and watches vtubers, I hope this will give you an idea of the situation and impressions of Niji-sanji. I really think it's a shame that Niji Shinji has failed so far in its overseas expansion.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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>>2639256
Love lulu, nui and Joe
Hate nijiniggers that keep harassing and attacking Hololive
Simple as

[Anonymous No.]

I dont just like tribalism

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>>2639256
they should just kick all the dead weight, they have so much useless people

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>>2655035
purityfags should just neck themselves and end this once and for all

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>>2654357
holy based himagumachad

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>>2655035
How did you get here/Why did you come here anyway?

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>>2655035
>In Japan, there is absolutely no place to talk about these things in vtuber to begin with.
>This is because individual fans will immediately start fighting.
どこも同じで草
>I really think it's a shame that Niji Shinji has failed so far in its overseas expansion.
にじENがデビューしたらのへんで多少の成果は出るんじゃないかな
もちろんホロENには届かないけど、それを基準にしたら終わりよ

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>>2655398
On my day off, it occurred to me that I would like to see how vtubers are regarded overseas.
So I saw this thread title and wrote down my current feeling about vtubers. Again, I can't write something like this in Japan. That was a rant, sorry about that.

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>>2639256
I only watch clips of their guys. I think they're alright and cute. I hope Hololive can do more collabs with them.

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>>2655646
i'm curious to know what you think about this board and how it compares to japanese sites.

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I really like Ange and Hana. And the big head girl.

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>>2655646
Are you really not allowed to express your feelings about vtubers on places like 2ch or 5ch? I understand there are restrictions but it's still surprising this topic is completely forbidden

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>>2655646
Don't be sorry for having an opinion, this is the point of the boards

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>>2641418
This is so much bullshit. It's clear you don't know enough about nijisanji at all.

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>>2655895
He’s probably afraid of being attacked by a few radical fans on twitter or something, not like that doesn’t happen here too though

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>>2655452
It wasn't good that I was so insistent. I was trying to be objective, but I guess I'm too much of a holo-live side perspective and that's マジで草.

I thought that Niji EN was going to have a hard time because of the mess it made around the ID breakup before it was even launched, and as I mentioned before, the lack of English in the chat and Higuchi's simultaneous connection in the Amanguasu collaboration.
I've just come up with the idea that maybe Kuzuha should do an English-bound apex. I thought about it, but what do you think?

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translato

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>>2656124
We fucking hate Apex, his English audience doesn't watch him for apex they watch him for him. The game sucks donkey dick.

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>>2656124
English-only attempts didn't seem to work very well so far (Both Deron and Utako streams didn't really gain much popularity) and even the weird one from noraneko wasn't effective even though it was hilarious. I don't think Kuzuha will be very effective either. I think it would be better if they released nijiEN first and then immediately supported it, even indirectly, with english streams while people are curious about learning more about nijisanji

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>>2656124
I think he global interest in Nijisanji is gradually building but its not explosive like Hololive. Hololive going first might even help Nijisanji a bit. A lot of the new Hololive fans overseas at least know Nijisanji as the other big vtuber company even if they don't watch Nijisanji JP. People find Nijisanji JP hard to get into because of all the members and lack of translations compared to Hololive. But that isn't a problem with an English speaking branch. So I think you might see some of those Hololive fans get curious about the other company they have heard about now it is available in their language.

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>>2656124
No one in EN will watch an Apex stream even if its Tokyo Ghoul.

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>>2639256
I only cared about Gibara

Gibara please come back

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>>2655646
how the fuck you can't do that in 2ch and 5ch? Just say it, it's an anonymous board.

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>>2656124
>I've just come up with the idea that maybe Kuzuha should do an English-bound apex. I thought about it, but what do you think?
葛葉が自分から進んでそういう縛り配信をやると思わないし、コラボ相手が必要なら英語上手でApexやってる人が適任だし、それで真っ先に頭に浮かぶ星川が陰キャの葛葉にはちょっときつそう
やっぱりまずはにじENのデビューかな。ENがある程度人気だしたら国際コラボとかでファンににじ全体をしってもらうのが一番良さそう

[Anonymous No.]

Don't watch them that much. All I ever hear is how nijisanji is better than hololove because they get away with more shit.

Of the 100+ vtubers nijisanji has, I only know of three. Hoshikawa because of that extreme hard-on Matsuri has for her, Ars Almal since I really like her design, and the loli who had her ass smacked during her 3d stream

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>>2656124
Kuzuha doesn’t really give a shit about his English speaking fans, I’ve always found it amusing

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>>2655895
First of all, on the Japanese anonymous bulletin boards, both on Channel 5 and on Futaba Channel
"What do you think about Niji-sanji? Let's talk about the good and the bad.
If you start a thread like that, you will be immediately vandalized and quarantined.
I've been pointed out that I'm a "holo-live guy", but I'm not at that level.
(I'm really sorry I used Google Translate).

Twitter and other summary sites are more vocal or fanatical about the idea that "vtubers are evil people who make money by super chatting on other people's creations (games, etc.)" in the first place. Therefore, there can be no discussion on such a topic.
I don't think 4chan is a clean place either, but with reddit it's a meme and positive place, so I guess I have no choice but to look here.

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>>2657156
>"vtubers are evil people who make money by super chatting on other people's creations (games, etc.)"
It's interesting to see that the main argument against streamers in general is still being used in Japan.

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>>2656849
>lack of translations compared to Hololive
It isn't the reason tho, there's thoundsand of Niji translated clips around, the reason EOPs doesn't interest in Niji because Holo was the first and has a big fanbase, it is the herd mentality, human are social animal, they will likely want to be in a big circle and want to talk about the same topic everyone is talking about, they don't want to be left out, that's why EOP new fans will always turn toward Holo, only small minority of hipster or people who know Japanese will give indies/Niji/small company a chance

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>>2639256
I don't think about them at all, but if I did it would be to figure out how to burn their company to the fucking ground and salt the earth with the blood of their fans for what they did to this delicate girl. Fuck nijiniggers.

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>>2657382
^ this
Hololive is synonymous with Vtuber in the English speaking world. I don’t have much hope for ENniji to do well.

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>>2657420

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>>2657282
It's funny that argument can be used for doujin too

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>>2657382
There are a lot of translated clips around but still a lot less than Hololive and spread across many many more members. Like right now if I look for clips in the last week. Lets take a popular Holo girl and compare her to popular Niji girls. Pekora 52 clips in the last week translated. Mito 4, Lulu 3, Ange 3, Lize 2.

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>>2657420
How do I know you're not paying Delta's fanbox?

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>>2657382
this is only true now, when vtubers started picking up in the west with clips in early 2020, niji and holo clips were pretty equal in distribution. however, holoclips kept rising in production, and its due to the bug translators that uploaded frequently on YT and i began to see more and more of them.
the only reason i can imagine why this happened is that niji clips themselves are about the individual and it requires the knowledge of more individuals in order to find someone you like, and with niji's larger streamer base, its harder to find someone you may like from the company. while with holo's smaller proportion and with coco speaking EN a lot of the original EOPs began to click primarily on holoclips due to knowing who everyone is and feeling more involved with another english speaker, it caused EOPs to primarily focus on holo over niji.

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>>2657420
She'd want you to move on anon.

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>>2657156
>but with reddit it's a meme and positive place, so I guess I have no choice but to look here.
This board and western vtuber fanbase are hololive's fanbase territory though, you will get nothing but biased opinion against Nijisanji, 90% of Nijisanji threads on this board are Nijisanji anti thread, there's a big hatred towards Nijisanji in the west, you can come back and tell japanese this, tell Ichikara to stop investing in English market

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>>2657865
>tell Ichikara to stop investing in English market
Kill yourself

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>>2657865
>there's a big hatred towards Nijisanji in the west,
It just one or 2 Aloefag.

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>>2657382
This. But while they have like 3k clips translated, hololive has much more. But you're right, hololive reached first so they got a lot of loyal retards.

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>>2657865
>there's a big hatred towards Nijisanji in the west
Since when does the opinions of a bunch of shitposting retards on an anonymous imageboard feeding each other narratives represent the majority's view? There is no reason for a casual Hololive fan to hate Nijisanji when you see a Holo collabing with a Niji every week.

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>>2657865
>there's a big hatred towards Nijisanji in the west
This board is 1% of the fanbase.

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>>2657936
I think Hololive definitely has generated interest in Nijisanji though. Do you think Nijisanji's EN audition tweet would have ever got 10k retweets if HoloEN didn't already launch when you considering HoloEN's first audition tweet only got 3k? I think there is definitely some interest but a lot of people just find it way too hard to get into compared to Hololive with their much larger fanbase. As an EOP you might be willing to sit and stare at Pekora speaking gibberish for an hour if you already feel connected to her through all the clips you see of her and what other EN fans say. But why would you ever do that for some random girl out of a choice of 80 or so who you cant make any kind of connection with because they get a couple of translated clips a month.

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>>2657865
This is the sad reality, investing in the english market is a waste of money for Ichikara

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>>2657420
based

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>>2657648
>when vtubers started picking up in the west with clips in early 2020, niji and holo clips were pretty equal in distribution
This is false though, Nijisanji never had multi subgroups who shitted out clips dailies like that chink subgroup, and that group had more subscribes than middle level Nijisanji by early summer last year. Unless you are talking about pre-Miko's nigga clip, but I doubt the fanbase of entire Vtuber in the west can beak 1k people at that time

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>>2658065
most of them are from the japanese audience, they will watch just the debut and leave

[Anonymous No.]

What has to happen for Niji-EN to be successful? Should Nijisanji start shoving money towards clippers in the community for some publicity?

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>>2658194
doing this is useless when in the end most EOPs will just care about nijien, they have to debut first

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>>2657382
It doesn't help that HL clips tends to be watched generally by the vast majority interested in hololive regardless of who's featured while niji clip tends to filter people who's not directly interested in the chuuba featured, thinning the viewerbase even more.
YT algorithm doesn't help either, you watch one hololive clip and you get 15 new ones recommended, you watch a nijisanji one and.. nothing really happens or you get a 9 months old one recommended.
>>2657156
>If you start a thread like that, you will be immediately vandalized and quarantined.
As you probably noticed, this place also tends to be vandalized (but probably less than what you mean) it's something that you cannot escape when you're anonymous, but it's still surprising that it's this difficult to have a frank discussion somewhere.
>reddit it's a meme and positive place
Fucking kek
You're a smart person

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>>2658194
They'll be successful by default. Not as successful as HoloEN, sure, but far from a failure.

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>>2658194
>Should Nijisanji start shoving money towards clippers in the community for some publicity?
Nah, people will not interest, see Nijisanji official translated channel? their clips hardly break 10k views
>What has to happen for Niji-EN to be successful?
Unless they can find a person with Mito's creative level of content then forget about it. The people with Mito's level in the west would rather be a successful content creator on youtuber on their own instead of joining a niche anime industry

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>>2658257
Yeah I think if NijiJP is going to get any boost from NijiEN it almost certainly is going to be NijiEN flowing to NijiJP rather than the other way around. And even then its only going to happen if there is a much better effort from the company to actually cater to the EN audience. When you look at the Hololive english twitter they regularly translate and update fans on the ongoing stuff from the main JP accounts all the time before it happens. Then you look at the Nijisanji one and its mostly just a translated clip every so often. Then things like not even advertising the Nijifes to the English audience or not being able to buy merch from them at all unless you are willing to use proxies with no inbuilt support for it like buyee on pixiv.

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>>2658366
>Unless they can find a person with Mito's creative level of content then forget about it. The people with Mito's level in the west would rather be a successful content creator on youtuber on their own instead of joining a niche anime industry
Sadly this. Only reason Gura is even a thing is because she's very memeable by design. Hell, she tries to not recycle memes, that's something pretty innovative in this side of the world. Pic related exists for a reason.

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>>2658160
i know niji never had a big chink group that did translations, but even with the chink group for holo, i remember when i was getting into vtubers seeing niji clips and holoclips at about the same frequency in late feb/early march.
the tide for hololive i only remember it changing to hololives favor at the end of march, and thats only because of that chink group and no niji clip really getting bigger in the west to further propel themselves on the same stage of vtubers. on other platforms like twitter, i dont think i ever saw a clip of a niji like i did with korone/miko/rushia back in early 2020.
at the end of the day, i honestly think that nijisanji just lost the coinflip with chink groups and clips blowing up. hololive's members are more generalist like others said, so it was easier to appeal to everyone and gain traction, to make hololive the main clipped vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

I blame the NIJIGAIJI

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>>2658539
>nijisanji just lost the coinflip with chink groups
I wonder why that happened? Didn't Nijisanji also have a CN branch? Why did they pick hololive over Nijisanji?

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>>2657865
It's a shame, but when you talk about Niji Sanji in Japan, it's either 100% affirmation or throwing stones when problems occur.
If you have 10% of fans, I'll give you hope.

That's how far we've come in getting fans in Japan.

I'm sorry to use a holographic analogy, but when Mr. Koro played MOTHER 2, what was the most popular comment on the Twitter trend?
I thought there was going to be an announcement about a new MOTHER game, but it was just some vTuber I didn't know. fxxk!
There was a lot of sympathy for this.
It was said, not as a joke, that it was weird that they were using MOTHER to make money (super chat), and the fans had no choice but to shut up.
I'm not anonymous!

It was very sad to hear Koro say yesterday that she remembered that and was afraid that the fans would be sad again at Saga Frontier.

Aside from that.
But still, are there a lot of Nijisanji antagonists? I thought they were "unknown" to me.

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>>2658194
>What has to happen for Niji-EN to be successful
Good designs, good personalities. That's it. They don't have to be worried about brand recognition, most Hololive fans know Nijisanji by default so they will check it out without a doubt. The real struggle is keeping that audience.

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>>2658572
brighter colors anon, it makes you notice them more, proven fact.

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>>2658588
>are there a lot of Nijisanji antagonists
Nah, it's just one falseflagger autist that hates vtubers in general and baits with tribalism. Kinda like the Nyanners antis.
In simpler English: No, there aren't a lot. There is one (1) obsessed anon that is against all vtubers and pretends to be from one side to attack another.

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>>2658572
Nijisanji has 2 disbanded CN branches, a massive CN branch (12 gens) where most of the livers are at the bottom and then their one successful branch being virtuareal star which is only successful since they just hired already successful people.

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>>2658572
holo had minato aqua

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>>2658588
Most people on this board don't watch Nijisanji because of the sole fact that it's Japanese, and most people here only speak English. But there is a lot of hate towards Nijisanji fans because of Aloe from Hololive's graduation and the removal of past reported Hololive streams. Still, there is a small but dedicated Nijisanji fanbase on this board. And most people outside of this board like Nijisanji. The opinions expressed here are equivalent to that of an anti thread on 5ch, a small minority of hateful individuals.

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>>2658675
Taking apart the subtext, does that mean they picked hololive because it was the underdog in China (in terms of quantity) so they would start opening more branches there like Nijisanji?

[Anonymous No.]

By Mother you mean that pixel RPG game? I know vtuber who play it frequently.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hFqwViJOzo8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SWGty9kVKIc
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9KTwnKr3ltQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=unLK2T36iAE
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BfwVPESCUFE
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Zcao15K9dw

[Anonymous No.]

I'm worried how NijiEN will get treated by the company. Nijisanji has a tendency to....cannibalize their fans/viewers.

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>>2658539
They had the interest late 2019/early 2020 but thanks to these meme clips and hololive m*ment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-sIUIzUGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9KgHcFjHGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOqFOG4yS6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBnNeu-DAM
and also that elito miko english clip, hololive able to capture the western fans.
t. not zhang

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658721
Weebs aren't interested in Chinese stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish more Japanese v buta would come here, it’s interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658721
https://vup.darkflame.ga/ranking/month/2020/1?groupby=organization
https://vup.darkflame.ga/ranking/month/2021/3?groupby=organization
Compare

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658796
For this
>>2658588

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>>2658821
I mean, the chinese groups. I'm thinking thye maybe wanted to have more vtubers there, and with already successful companies, it would become a chinese thing.

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>>2658539
Nah, Hololive was the first to have popular with several clips like Matsuri band aids, Fubuki scatman, chink subs dailies and then Coco dailies show with sub, have contents everyday to keep EOP interest is the key to hololive success

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658662
To be honest, their falseflagging kinda works. Now I have a little hatred with Nijis without even knowing them well enough.

But I try to be open-minded and will definitely check NijiEN debuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658853
our cultural exchange thread here was one of the few threads on this board (outside of global) to hit the post limit
>>/vt/thread/S1191041

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, if Hololive become popular because of Chink, and Chink started to hate Hololive because of Taiwan fiasco, why didn't they switch to Nijisanji just to spite Hololive?

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>>2658920
>Now I have a little hatred with Nijis without even knowing them well enough.
Just don't direct that hatred towards the vtubers. That's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658858
What I get from this is that Hololive in early 2020 was getting more chinese money than Nijisanji and Ichikara Chinese branch with bilibili combined. Now that money has almost all gone to the Chinese branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658989
its just nga, avg chinks never care about the drama. Despite kicking them out their clips are still trending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659042
>avg chinks never care about the drama
They're not all brainwashed monsters!?

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>>2658662
>In simpler English: No, there aren't a lot. There is one (1) obsessed anon that is against all vtubers and pretends to be from one side to attack another.
That used to be one or two but it was a year ago but now the narrative seems to work, when you keep repeating the lies long enough, people will eventually come to believe it.

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>>2658920
See >>2658999. The vtubers are fine, and you should check out Lulu.

>>2658989
I think they picked hololive because Nijisanji CN wasn't gaining traction. I mean, look at >>2658675 and take into account that Nijisanji doesn't even solely own VirtuaReal, it's a collab thing with billibilli.

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>>2658065
I definitely think NijisanjiEN has a big chance to do quite well. Not as big as HoloEN but do much better than their other branches. There's people who are interested in nijisanji but not if it isn't a en actual branch or speaking english. Allied this with holofags who also watch nijisanji, with nijisanji only fans, newfags and more, I think they can. I don't think this will make other branches more popular tho, although of course, some might try other branches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659042
The text in that thumbnail literally says "graduate Kiryu Coco" lol, seems like they're still pissed to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>2639256
only watch the top ones mostly.
they just have too many.

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>>2659080
I take it as silently enjoying them, because they WILL have to take the antis position or risk losing their credibility online. Thye just want entertainment, but that and their lives are a different matter altogether.

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>>2658920
Honestly don't find it surprising at all, if you mainly occupy threads where almost all you see is Nijisanji being used for trolling the thing you like or getting brought up in a negative light when there is some drama then its bound to taint your impression.

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>>2658920
It's opposite to me tho. This whole falseflagging make me starting to hate Holofag and Aloefag (because the one who started it is rabid Aloefag)

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659106
>holofags who also watch nijisanji
This, I try to catch Lulu streams whenever I can.

>>2659113
A reminder that >we don't evenknow chinese runes, so everyone can say anything they want.

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>>2658896
>>2658818
this is what i mean, nijisanji never had any clips/videos that broke them out into wide stream popularity in the west.
the chink groups making a lot clips definitely contributed to the increased interest in hololive, but even then, there was nothing i recall back in march that made nijisanji stand out to masses. with those older nijisanji clips, nothing major stood out to me about them while with hololive, i remember seeing aqua's revolution and fubuki scatman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658194
>What has to happen for Niji-EN to be successful?
Probably collabs with HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659211
>桐生ココ卒業しろ
That's what the thumbnail text says, run that shit through DeepL buddy, they're still pissed

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659178
Hell, even inside the old /jp/ niji threads, anything that brought newfags or just recognition was instantly made bannable. Some anon that wanted to make Lulu the face of the threads was thrown out because they didn't like that. That's part of why the "haha it's l*l*" thing exists and is recognizable even in the hololive global thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659238
vtubers got dirty minds is the only one I can think of

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658920
Their falseflagging works because the nijiniggers on /jp/ are dicks to anyone not in their circle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659274
I mean, people just look at >>2659042, read what is written in the post, and think the image matches what it says. And anons are lazy with chinese runes, so many won't bother doublechecking unless someone else points it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659275
SO IT WAS YOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659360
Nah, I just discovered Lulu recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659113
its nga so kinda obv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659275
It was more like a guy intentionally trolling was spamming lulu in all 3 threads and she caught on a forced meme in the hololive ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658679
i will never forget njijniggers for moris atlus stream.
i like the talents tought but fucking dispise the japanese fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2658194
1. more clips
2. more reddit activity (atleast reach top 10 all)
3. more mainstream article presence like Polygon, Vice, Crunchyroll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2659529
What happened? Just because she had to beg for permission?

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>>2659529
It's youtube being youtube. Nobody reported her. Take your med.

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>>2659529
You shouldn't hate an entire fanbase because of a few retards.

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>>2659529
ATLUS VIDEOGAME COMPANY

>>2659450
>>2659042 tried to say that the average chinese didn't care about stuff and showed a pic of a hololive member video that was popular. But, as mentioned by >>2659113, the pic contradicts the post.

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>>2658679
Niji-Sanji is still unknown with few translations, but some V-antagonists have already introduced it as "Niji-Sanji is an evil organization" and it is spreading?
So it's already become like Twitter in Japan. That's a disadvantage.

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>>2659655
I wonder if the launch of Niji EN will get enough people interested over there to start getting them on the front page. Because I feel like that was a bit of a tipping point for Hololive.

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>>2659742
>Niji-Sanji is an evil organization
heh, that reads like a schizo rrat

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>>2659529
it's time schizo-kun

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>>2639256
I watch Ars and Emma from time to time, and I like them

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>>2659042
>>2659113
>avg chinks never care about the drama

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>>2659774
hopefully, nijisanji has literally no presense in the west. Take this subreddit for example.

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>>2659774
I thought Nijisanji opted out of front page for reddit tho

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>>2659529
As someone who's seen the original NND raid post, it was more Anti-Vtuber corporatefags sucking Atlus's dick than nijiniggers

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>>2659940
>even the nijisanji result is about hololive
wwwwwwwwwwww
>presense
ESLchama...
t. ESL

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>>2659993
I don't really know how it works to be honest. I'm not expert on the subject but I feel like I remember the Hololive one blowing up after that.

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>>2659993
>Nijisanji opted out of front page for reddit
Wait, what? I know >reddit, but they're a company. Isn't that a retarded move?

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>>2660025
And as always, their tactics revolve around inciting consolewars. Ignore that kind of bait.

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>>2660083
Maybe it was some kind of setting the independent owners of it had before hand?

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>>2658721
They picked Hololive because Hololive pandered to them. Niji still had a stranglehold on the JP market, so Holo had to rely on other audiences to stay afloat basically, and they noticed that CN was the next largest for them, back when EN vtubing was next to zero.

So members like Fubuki and Aqua responded to interest on Bilibili, set up Bili exclusive streams, Cover "worked" with fan translation groups to make official translation channels, etc. Niji on the other hand just set up an entire other branch with bili, but that's not the same as having their JP branch reach out to a CN audience, and very few members did, like Alice.

When Coco was chosen for gen 4, and Holo started getting more popular with a western market, ironically due to CN clipping and subbing to EN, they obviously started pandering there instead. More than a few members started to skip out on bili exclusive streams and content though, which then completely blew up when people started flaming over Coco's Taiwan thing.

>>2659238
I'd say there definitely were a few breakout clips, but whenever I watched them, youtube rarely recommended other Nijisanji clips. Instead when you watch a Nijisanji clip, it'd rather show JP clips of the same members or Hololive clips over other Nijisanji clips.

>>2658675
The 2 disbanded branches were CN/Taiwan, and they were only disbanded to be transferred to VEgo because VR started up. VR is still a pretty large group in CN. By "bottom" we're talking about the same bottom as in JP, which is still higher than what 90% of indies get. It's also more varied than just, most are sitting at the bottom in the same spot.

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>>2660653
>youtube rarely recommended other Nijisanji clips
Hmm, anyone savvy with the retarded algorithm that can explain why was this the case?
>Niji on the other hand just set up an entire other branch with bili
Probably this is what made it for hololive. If Nijisanji imitated that strategy, they'd probably would've won, since they had more talents to work with and chinese workforce is infinite.

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>>2660076
It already blew up before that but yes, all those questions, etc. generally happened after a new topic hits front page and draws a lot of extra attention.

In order to hit front page, you need either a ton of upvotes, or get upvotes extremely fast. The latter is usually how the Hololive posts make front page. Whenever they hit it, it's usually far lower than the average number of upvotes, but it happens quickly, then it falls back to page 3/4 with around 10k-15k upvotes or so, whereas usually if you're on a more "normal" subreddit, you would need far more upvotes to hit front page.

The other thing is that once they hit frontpage, they started to draw in the r/anime and r/animemes audience, which is obviously huge and fit right in for content. The Nijisanji subreddit would never hit the amount required anyways, so it hardly matters if they opt in or not. At the best case, they might want around 2k-4k people sitting on the subreddit, instantly upvoting it when a member makes a post, and that can propel it to frontpage depending on the time.

>>2660083
The previous owners setting it to that is probably the most likely reason. Afaik there's no rule against corporate owned subreddits having to opt out of front page, only that they ask businesses to not have a conflict of interest with the subreddit. It's not a hard rule though, and mods very often have a conflict of interest anyways.

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>>2660653
i honestly don't remember any that stood out but that might be because so much time has passed and i stopped following nijisanji
>>2660885
probably some stuff with tagging, niji's size means that not every vtuber will interact with each other frequently so less clips will be made that link nijis to other nijis, while holo frequently had in-collabs that tied into each one and other.
think it might be similar to blue girl where niji clips frequently tagged holo, but holo clips didnt frequently tag niji. niji is diverse which is its strength and weakness, if u like one niji you may not like the next, but with holo if u like 1 you probably like the rest, so u other clips with holos get rec'd as well.

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Looking at the various opinions, it seems that Niji Sanji's recognition is weak overseas to begin with.
But its fans are seen as the enemy.
It is failing in the global market (not only in English-speaking countries but also in China).
Niji EN has been attracting attention and expectations, but there are few translations of Niji JP, they are only doing Apex, and they are unlikely to support English, including Kuzuha, the head of Niji JP.

Hmmm, maybe NijiJP itself needs to change its mind.

Also, I was wondering, is there a group of people who only watch NijiSanji?
(In Japan, it exists because they are anti-holo-live, or because Nijiji is older, or because they only watch men, etc.)

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>>2661625
>Hmmm, maybe NijiJP itself needs to change its mind.
That's also an issue. They're perceived as closed off. Both the talents and the fanbase. Even here, their fans shy away from anything that would gain them recognition with EOPs. Hell, before holoMyth debut, the fans in /jp/ were mocking hololive for pandering to the "retarded EOPs".

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>>2661625
I mostly watch Nijisanji now. I started off watching both but lost interest in Hololive when they brought in 4th gen and started catering more to English. I didn't find the kind of humor Coco introduced funny and their popularity attracting a lot of low quality posting to these boards which probably influenced that to some extent. Still like Aqua though and watch her sometimes and other agencies like vspo and 774.

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>>2659655
>quantity over quality
No shit, it's already like Niji's mantra at this point. It doesn't help that their most popular talent spams Apex all the time. Overwhelming the competition by just sheer numbers works on a tiny market like Japan but if put on the global scale, it's no longer as effective hence Hololive has been dominant cause they care more about content quality.

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>>2661625
You don’t know what you’re asking for JPniki, you might not be able to tell but the international Hololive fanbase itself is terrible. I don’t know about Japanese fans but I personally am fine with the Nijisanji community being more heavily domestic driven, considering that’s the demographic they target to begin with, and I’m not the only one. I don’t think international expansion is a necessity

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>>2661408
also engagement on holos videos seems far greater Likes and comments can make the algortih pick you up. Not only for clips but their streams too. Even the lowest of views like robocco or mel that get less than 2k live views on streams have the same number of like s as top nijis so their videos get boosted and shared and as such ends up higher than most nijis that share their live viewers.

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>>2661625
It is interesting though when you compare nijisanji to bshojo worldwide on google trends
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=nijisanji,vshojo
It seems Nijisanji beat them for interest and vshojo are doing quite well in the global market I think

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>>2661625
>Also, I was wondering, is there a group of people who only watch NijiSanji?
少数ながらいるよ。その大半は日本語力高い人だと思う
にじの英訳切り抜きと英語圏向けのコンテンツが少ないこの現状は一般の海外ファンに厳しいだろうからね

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>>2662490
Do EOPs upvote more than JPs I wonder? Look at when Peko plays Monster Hunter its 10-11k upvotes, then when she plays Resident Evil its 20k plus despite the Monster Hunter streams having more live viewers.

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>>2661625
Not sure if I count, but the only non-Niji I watch are Suisei and Ichinose nowadays. >>2662699 is right though, most people you're going to see as Niji-only are from 2 years back through the /vyt/ thread at this point who knew enough JP to at least get through streams. Also a few super contrarians I suppose.

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>>2662890
Nah, that's probably because she has a more stable viewerbase for MH, meanwhile with RE they cycle a lot.

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>>2662890
her latest resident evil wasnt on jp prime time and on firday night so is easy for eops to catch it.
But yes the west have better culture of sucribe LIke and comment.There was an entire decade where that was youtube creators final phrase.That also pushes even the lowest holo.
Their videos get shared more, cycle trough moree users so get lots of views and lots of new suscribers. Last week youtube was having a bug where engagement was cut on half for most creators if you check suscribers count during those days a lot got slashed too. Is alos part of why hololive grows faster too.

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>>2639256
They all look the same lmao

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>>2662512
I was surprised that vsho didn't get much attention for having a nyanurse.
And when I added the holo-live, I laughed because there was so much difference.
For anime otaku, light-weight people, and antis who still don't watch anime in Japan, "I can't tell the difference between Nijisanji and Hololive. I call them all v". Maybe the so-called "overseas nikis" know much more or maybe vtuber = holololive!

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>>2664056
Yeah but it is interesting isn't it? Nyanners can do 8-9k on twitch which is competitive with HoloEN lower members. But then her company has less brand name recognition in the west than Nijisanji?

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>>2664056
>nyanurse
Oh. Be careful with her around here, because there are two obsessed antis that hate her because she like 7 years ago said that everyone that liked loli- styled images is a pedophile (actual criminal).

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>>2664198
twitch is very insular

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>>2662191
>>2662699
>>2662919

There are a few, but they exist, and some people don't like vtubers who speak English.

In Japan, the percentage of people who only watch Nijiji is not low (especially because there are women who only watch male vtubers), so it seems like a big difference if it can be done globally to Japanese standards.

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>>2664056
>>2664198
It's because they are already an established vtubers before becoming a vshojo so you get more results from an individual than the corporate brand.

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>>2664629
interesting that Nijisanji still occupies the same space though, it isn't some flat line compared to them like you might expect given how some people like to paint it but its in the same ballpark

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>>2662317
The absolute first thing that surprises Japanese vtuber geeks when they come to the 4chan vtuber board is

That there is a single skeevy thread by Koro-san.

The first thing that surprises Japanese vtuber geeks when they visit a 4chan vtuber board is that there is a single thread about Koro-san.
If what you're saying about the holo-live fanbase being terrible is referring to this kind of demographic and meme creation, then to be clear, it's a good thing that there is such a fanbase.

In Japan, you can finally have a separate fanbase anonymously on Futaba Channel.

It is a common saying of Niji Sanji supporters that they don't need to expand internationally, and that it is good if they are popular within Japan.
However, as long as the girls are making money from advertising and other stream activities, I think they need to think about their international activities.

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>>2664758
Power of sea region. vshojo is unknown in that region[/

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>>2664629
Why does your chart look so different?

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=nijisanji,nyanners,projekt%20melody

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>>2664838
Nah the hololive fanbase here on 4chan is bad because it intentionally antagonizes non vtuber geeks and is aggressively hateful towards all vtubers that aren't part of hololive.

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>>2664838
The issue with that line of thinking is that it assumes they will never have competition and will never decline.
While Hololive was a pretty small at the start, the massive boost from the international audience garnered them more eyes in the domestic market as well.

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>>2664838
>Koro-san
Who is Koro-san?

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>>2665457
Mr Koro

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>>2665493
Korone?

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>>2665457
Its hard to tell but I think he means Japanese are surprised that Holo members have their own threads Koro-san being korone. If you look at this board its 95% hololive threads. From a Japanese perspective that would probably look weird considering Nijisanji has popularity there.

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>>2664965
I see. That's definitely bad.

However, Japan is similar. No, it's probably even worse in Japan, because the power of "anti all V" is the largest.
(Are vtubers and their fans hated that much in Japan? You would think so. This is exemplified by the Hololive janitor thing, the BL thing, the Niji-sanji goldfish tangent, and as I mentioned earlier, Koro-san gets abused when he plays MOTHER and it starts trending. A lot of people who don't normally watch vtubers suddenly sit in groups on the back seat and start boycotting, shouting, spitting and leaving without cleaning up after themselves).

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>>2664838
>The first thing that surprises Japanese vtuber geeks when they visit a 4chan vtuber board is that there is a single thread about Koro-san.
>If what you're saying about the holo-live fanbase being terrible is referring to this kind of demographic and meme creation, then to be clear, it's a good thing that there is such a fanbase.
The issue is hololive fanbase dominates the western market and they are more likely to spreading false informations about other agencies and independent V-tuber without anyone corrects the informations because other fanbase is non-existent

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>>2665457
ころさん
korone. She is often called Korosan in Japan. Nekomata Okayu calls her that, so it has become very popular in Japan.

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>>2665566
>the Niji-sanji goldfish tangent
Would you mind elaborating on what that incident was? It's my first time hearing about it.

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>>2665794
Meiro. You are familiar with that already, right?

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>>2665816
Interesting how the JP guy blames all that anti stuff blowing up on vtuber antis. Here you would see it blamed on Nijisanji fans.

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>>2665566
So basically general vtuber antis outnumber everyone?
Why are they so hated anyways

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>>2665910
>Interesting how the JP guy blames all that anti stuff blowing up on vtuber antis.
He is right about that though

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>>2665548
As a matter of fact, the reason for the surprise is
"sukebe thread
was that there was a "sensitive thread".

The fact that there is a single sukebe thread, and that the subject is Koro-san, makes my eyeballs pop out of my head.
If it was Noel, Marin, or Haachama, it would be easier to understand, but if it was Korosan, I was surprised.
If it's Niji-sanji, I guess mito is in the same position.

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>>2666233
That makes more sense.

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>>2666233
From what I remember it started from someone posting good koikatsu screenshots of her and kinda just stuck ever since.

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>>2665945
A very common argument is
"vtubers are getting super chat just for playing games. The game is funny, he's not, and that's a spoiler. It also lacks moral and ethical consideration. It's like an internet cabaret where they trick geeks into super chatting with them. It's unacceptable that he's living off of that kind of work.
That's what it's like.
I've never seen the person in question, but if a small problem arises, I'll suddenly RT and tweet about it.

This is a unique part of Japanese Internet culture. Since the beginning of the Internet, affiliates have been considered evil, and by extension, YouTubers and SuperChat are hated.
Furthermore, the fact that they don't show their faces, and ASMR and the like were their biggest weapons in the early days, makes the whole thing negative for rotten girls. As a result, they are seen as "a place for pathetic men who can't even go to cabaret to throw money around.
At this time, there was no widespread understanding that vtuber characters themselves were more valuable than anime.
You're more likely to say, "An anime character is talking in real time! They even speak English!!! I welcomed it with excitement.

I'm sorry to use Hololive as an example, but when it came to the BL doujinshi between Marin and Miko, I said
I'm sorry to say this, but when it comes to the BL doujinshi between Marin and Miko, I've heard that Marin knows a lot about doujinshi, and yet she treats the work of others so poorly that she mocks it. I feel sorry for the doujinshi artists. The writer should take her to court because she can win. I'll never watch a broadcast by this disgusting woman, and if she comes out with a collaboration or something, don't buy it! Her fans must be the same kind of disgusting pigs!
Many people who had never seen the two of them before tweeted this message anonymously, and after receiving many RTs, they said, "You're right! You're right!" they shouted.
In fact, this is always the absolute opinion of the majority, whether it's Hololive or Niji-sanji.
And it seems that this is the reason why people are saying that "Nijiji fans are burning Hololive", when in fact it is often said by people who are not fans of either.

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>>2667258
>And it seems that this is the reason why people are saying that "Nijiji fans are burning Hololive", when in fact it is often said by people who are not fans of either.
This. It's basically vtuber antis that just try to incite consolewars and ruinit for everyone.

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>>2667258
Thanks for the insight JPniki. Hopefully you don't take this the wrong way but more than ever I think that cover and yagoo did the correct thing by prioritizing overseas expansion. The JP culture surrounding vtubers seems so damn retarded.

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>>2667542
Not the JP anon, but it's a good environment for starting and to keep in mind when continuing. Not so much when expanding overseas because it's a whole new world with new dangers.

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>>2667736
Generally as long as you stay out of politics there's not much to worry about with western twitter.
Cover already has a no politics policy so at this point it's about who they associate with (hence the lack of indie/western vtuber collabs).

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>>2667416
Yes, it is.
And in Japan, the absolute number of these antis is greater than the number of fans.

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>>2667862
I wonder if the JPniki is aware that politics is a cancer in the western world for a reason.
Somewhat related, I heard that burger education teaches that "everything is political", in the sense that you should always look to politicize EVERYTHING, which has the consequence of trying to add your political tone to whatever you watch, and hating whatever explicitly goes against it. Haven't seen it in JP streams that reach overseas, which is why I'm asking.

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>>2667862
>Generally as long as you stay out of politics there's not much to worry about with western twitter.
outside of politic, there're purityfag, moralityfag, the loli and sexual debate in anime/manga

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>>2667946
It's also big here. Though they are mostly like that one anituber that made a video about why he disliked "that baby shit".

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>>2668049
>purityfag, moralityfag, the loli and sexual debate in anime/manga
>outside of politic
Anon, those topics are considered political in the western world because of stuff like >>2668011. People here want their anime girls to pander to their beliefs, and feel insulted when they don't.

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>>2668011
The difference between the EN fans vs JP is that the EN fans will attack the antis in droves on twitter/reddit while the JP fans will just bow down and wait for the wave of hate to pass.

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>>2667542
Hololive has been a global success so far, and we are still doing reddit collaborations and Indonesian language study collaborations, which I am very proud of.
I hope the same will happen with Niji-sanji.
I hope that Niji-Sanji will be able to do the same, but looking at the various postings I've seen, I've been reminded that it will be quite a struggle.

It's really a shame that Japan is so far behind in understanding vtubers, or streamers for that matter.
For example, when the major Japanese TV news and newspapers published Koko Kiryu Yashia saying "VTubers took the top spot in the world for super chat," they didn't tell the audience that it was the result of Koko's use of English to interact overseas.
Many people don't know that the world's money is flying around.
In fact, many people think that paying 10,000 yen for a free broadcast is crazy and should be regulated! There are more people who think that paying 10,000 yen for a free broadcast should be regulated!

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>>2670861
As an outsider, it feels like Nijisanji takes a very Japanese approach to trying to enter foreign markets which hasn't worked so far.
They took over their respective subreddit but have done nothing. They completely ignored Gibara and Nijisanji IDs graduation and haven't done much to drum up hype for the upcoming branch.
They're hiring more clippers and translators for the official channel but the algorithm is already working heavily against them because they get drowned out by the many Hololive clippers.
They asked reaction channels to watch their clips but it hasn't seemed to amount to much as of now.
Their top livers also seem to not really have much interest in getting a foreign audience, a few of the smaller ones are trying hard though.

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>>2671130
It's Nijisanji IN you are talking about not ID.