Hololive MtG and other card games thread

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I believe that we were going to go with a whole Hololive Set during the last thread, right? does anyone have a good concept?

I'm thinking to have the fanbases be like creatures from Lorwyn that had specific playstyles.

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>>2637719
Well there's a few different views. You can lean into the lore side and make a bunch of cards very focused on the abilities of the characters.
Or you could go the other way and try to make a functional "fan" mechanics, incorporating stuff like Live 2d, Collabs, and Idol stuff in general.
Of course, cards like in the OP are a balance between the two, but a proper focus on what the mixture of those 2 main aspects are would be
important for actually making a fanset.
Also, the desire to make everything overpowered, especially with the recent across the board power creep in Strixhaven.

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>>2637719
mana cost should come before the tap symbol summoning sickness is not a formal mtg rules term
better flavor would be destroy all untapped creaturer, and don't create one-off creature types willy nilly

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>>2638420
Fixed.

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>>2638519
She should probably be an Avatar or God going by how other beings of her sort are depicted in MTG.

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Presenting: CUTER Lord of ATLANTIS

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>>2638712
Go back to English class

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>>2639031
This card isn't good enough, she either need at least haste and/or a condition to reduce her cmc, like cost 1 less for each instant/sorcery in your graveyard

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>>2639254
Maybe reduce the cost by noncombat damage delt to opponents that turn?

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>>2639422
Why do people that have never played even bother?

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>>2639369
Maybe along with haste? That condition would make it sound like it would be good on an aggro deck but her cmc is still too high to be viable

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This shit is never going to happen just stop

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>>2639451
No-one is ever going to use these cards in actual play so who cares

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Just think of the Artifacts as "bullets" that Botan is using to load her firearms to go for either fatal shots or diversionary/suppressive fire and her abilities in this card should be a flavor-win.

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>>2637719
>>2638387
>>2638420
Lorwyn tribes is definitely an interesting implementation, but due to the way it works it might function better as a Hololive EN exclusive thing, since every fanbase has a different name, you'd want to cut down on creature types as much as possible.

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>>2640328
Same reason people want fictional stories to stay logically consistent despite being based on impossible things.

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>>2640681
Probably should sacrifice the artifact in question if they're bullets, but other than than sounds pretty cool.
Your Mom Lol

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Yu-gi-oh may make a vtuber themed deck similar to the dragon maid archetype

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>>2642588
They already did with the evil twin/live twin archetype.

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>>2642685
Forgot pic

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>>2642685
Guess that shows how out of the loop I've been with yugioh though live twin worth building?

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>>2637719
Didn't some anon already half a set complete? Just take that and complete it

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>>2644415
Feels really good to read.

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>>2642970
It's not meta relevant at all if that's what you're asking.

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>>2651185
I think this should be creatures. Also white doesn't deal in sacrafice. They would just prevent you from casting spells entirely.

I think it'd be better put:
"Players may only cast one creature spell per turn"

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>>2651185
It's not about creatures, it's about lands, and more specifically, putting white on even keel with ramp. While prior cards in white would make the opponents sacrifice down to the lowest player, like Balance, or just blow them all up like Armageddon, destroying lands outright is now apparently verboten design-wise because it's "unfun" (but counterspells are just peachy, though that's an argument for another day). As long as you play fairly and put one land into play on your turn, then the card does nothing. If you try to cheat and break the rules and, say, rush out lands with ramp, crack fetches, drop a Sad Robot or attack into me and force me to Settle the Wreckage and think you're going to get ahead, well...

It's all about fair play. Which is totally White's thing.

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>>2654807
I feel like that sacrificial part might end up getting abused in conjuction with other cards (i know it's a bad example but think like mayhem devil) so i think wording it as a restriction to one land each turn rather than sacs works better. Something like "each player cannot put more than one land onto the battlefield each turn and only during their turn"

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>>2640681
That U ability is utterly, ludicrously broken.

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>>2639451
Templating, formatting, and color wheel aside, I think this is a reasonable card, especially if you're considering kitchen table play. The casting cost, plus the cost of running and casting a creature with defender, and the possibility to get 2-for-1'd means it isn't too powerful. Just needs to be re-worded as

>Enchant creature
>If Enchanted create does not have Defender, sacrifice Enchant Wall
>Enchanted creature gets +4/+0, and can attack as though it didn't have defender.

I feel like this is also more of a UR card, as an out of control, animated brickwork machine feels very Izzet to me.

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>>2665552
Hell, I think the R ability is almost as bad. I'd have it as
>B, pay 1(2?) life, tap - Draw a card
>R, discard a card, tap - This artifact deals 2 damage to target creature or player

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>>2640681
should probably be when a nontoken artifact enters

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Has anyone made a compilation of all the holo cards made so far?

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All if the cards in this thread are busted powerful. Also, shouldn't this thread be on /tg/?

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>>2671601
It's specifically about vtubers being adapted into cards, so I'd say that it's more /vt/ (especially since this thread would die on /tg/).
>All of the cards in tihs thread are busted (is what I assume you were saying)
Most create-a-cards tend to be pretty unbalanced, yeah. Turns out game design is actually kind of tough and there's a reason most companies either extensively play test their stuff or just pull a Konami and stop giving a single shit about balance outside of banning things that are too strong.

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>>2671744
You can throw wizards on that list too, their playtesting has basically gone out the window in recent years.

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>>2671601
Strixhaven means that some of these cards are starting to be balanced again.

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>>2671601
I kinda just want tokens and basic lands themed to hololive so I can get them printed and play them.

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>>2671900
>that whole errata.
It was dead, once Hasbro took over Wizards.

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>>2665552
Whoops. Well, I haven't played MtG in a while and have always been more into Shadowverse and overpowered, hyper-efficient effects packed into a single card has always been the modus operandi over there.

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>>2640681
For an ability that good it should be 7 cmc

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where's my ygo bros at?

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>>2671601
This is the current design ideas for Magic.

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>>2674914
>gets chump blocked
>gets knocked to hand
>gets removed
>does nothing when it ETBs
>costs 3 of 2 colors specifically

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>>2674957
that isn't the problem, though. the problem is that they want aggro players to flood the newbie section. We all know that heavy U can blow that card away,easy. But when beginners flood the tourneys with heavy creature decks, it kills the whole game.

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>>2674914
I love waiting five minutes for my opponent's spell to resolve due to them counting their deck twice.

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>>2674914
>unusable in draft because of the cost
>50/50 giga nigga in constructed that dies to doom blade

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>>2675013
>Implying the game has been killed over and over by garbage shit like teferi hero of dominaria or emergent ultimatum with decks making absolutely nothing happen for 15 minutes until you suddenly pop off an unbeatable winning condition.
I'll take brainless UNGA that makes things happen fast over any of that shit that makes everyone fall asleep out of boredom

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>>2676651
And I want to frustrate people with well-made Milling decks.

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>>2676379
cost doesn't matter, this set has so much shit that lets you cast instant and sorcery spells for free.

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>>2681044
Alright, tell me about Shadowverse and what this does thematically.
(If you want anyway)

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>>2674914
If anybody says "this + fling" you will be banned, you will never be unbanned.

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>>2682700
In Shadowverse, there are 8 classes, each has its own theme and mechanic. Swordcraft is the one whose theme is about royalty, swordmans, bandits and pirates - this is the reason why I made Marine a Swordcraft card.

Basically what she does is hitting the enemies while healing yourself, also summon stuffs to overwhelm your opponent. The effect don't really have anything to do with Marine's lore.

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>>2677177
Which Vtuber would be best represented by a mill deck do you think? What would that even mean in the contect of Vtubers anyway actually, maybe something like ASMR or Background streamer.

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>>2686490
Mill had always been associated with psychological attacks / discomfort, so I'm guessing maybe Haachama due to her unique flair for cooking? Maybe something like a Haachama card with "Sacrifice a Food: Give an opponent 2 insanity counters then, for each insanity counter on that opponent, that opponent mills that many cards."

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>>2689162
I like that mechanic. New ways to mill is always nice, you could have it be the next poison with creatures smacking you with insanity 3 each turn or something.

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I like the idea of mill being ASMR, the original flavor of Millstone was that a mage was driven mad by an unceasing grinding sound. It gives us more members who could use the mechanic instead of just chama

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Hololive is already real cards.

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>>2695238
Sometimes the simple things are nice. I laughed.

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I was wondering who would start this thread up again.
>>2637719
I was the dude who was thinking small, like a duel deck style set where you would design around two chuubas instead of an entire gen or the entirety of Hololive as that would be too difficult I think. Although recently, I haven't had time or desire really to continue designing these cards.

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>>2681044
i havent played shadowverse in long enough to properly evaluate this effect, but the art fits perfectly. i could honestly see them doing a hololive collab now that i think about it

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>>2674536
Sorry Yu-gi-bro, it seems like most of the people here only know magic for some reason.

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>>2695238
Requesting hololive alters

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>>2698349
Very nice art

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>>2686490
>Which Vtuber would be best represented by a mill deck do you think?
Kiara definitely because milling is a jank-ass strategy that never works.

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>>2702767
It works if your milling strat opens up in less than or equal to 3 turns, with how many ungas are out there, it's a strat that frustrates people.

I remember being in the old MTG online scene and playing My Merfolk UW deck and people always ragequit once my Downer and Rejerey are present.

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>>2704840
>5/5 trample for 4 with upside
I would make her also a human, and make her PT half the number of creature types, rounded down, that way its a 3/3 for 4 that can be stronger.

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>>2705151
I wasn't sure what the current meta was because I haven't played Magic in a while, but it seems like cards like this exist now

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>>2707077
This shit for instant speed, come on

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>>2710058
Don't bother, everyone here is shit at making new cards. The balance of flavor and power level is always off. I'm just waiting for tokens

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>>2637719
>>2638519
I'd go with something more like "Destroy all creatures that entered the battlefield this turn"

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>>2704840
In the last few sets legendary creatures have used the character's gender pronouns in the rules text.

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>>2711136
imo untapped reflects reaping slackers best, instead of killing beginners who never got a chance to act

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For those that don't play Shadoba:

Barrier Artifact; 4/6 with Bane (Deathtouch) and Ward (Prevents enemy followers from attacking your leader or allied followers without Ward.)

Keenedge Artifact: 3/4 with Rush (Haste, but can't attack the enemy leader) and Drain (Lifelink).

Resonance: Resonance is active if you have an even number of cards in your deck.

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Haachama...

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>>2704840
There's that card that give a creature changeling, which makes this even funnier,
"Am Everything"

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y'all ever play Sword Girls? if you guys are making a game then i think copying that is a good starting point. dont need to make complicated effects for each card other than 'spell' cards or w/e. just have to give health, attack and summon cost values to cards instead

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>>2642970
They're mainly play extenders. Something worth having in case it comes up.
Live Twin Eldlich is decent.

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>>2674536
This card does literally nothing unless your goal is finding a way for people to make Abyss Dwellers in True Draco, none of the effects on this card matter, except the fact that it floats into a level 4 on an "if"-effect.

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>>2714470
>>2674536
Oh, nevermind. I misread.
It's a level 5, that just makes it even more broken since TDs do have level 5s.
This + Dragonic Diagram + any TD name or floodgate is insane (that's easier to draw than you think).
You can go set this, Dragonic Diagram, pop this, add the level 5 TD, if you have any spell/trap, summon the level 5 TD, Verte Anaconda mill Red-Eyes Fusion, make Dragun.
There's also probably a bunch of decen rank 5s to go into.

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>>2714181
Shields of Velis vel.

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>>2715148
lol, decent unhinged card

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4/4 angel

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Made a walker for each of the HoloENs a little while ago.

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>>2717680

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>>2717863

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>>2717890
...and that's all I've got.

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>>2642685
>the vtuber archetype is also an archtype of phantom thieves
what did konami mean by this

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>>2717907
>>2717890
>>2717863
>>2717845
>>2717829
>>2717680
Very cool stuff, anon. Some of them feel a bit overtuned (especially Enma), but I think Planeswalkers were a thing after I had already stopped playing Magic so they are probably supposed to be that powerful.

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>>2640681
Holy shit, that card advantage is insane. Sacrifice an artifact would be more reasonable.

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>>2719535
there are some pretty OP walkers, the only one I feel I might've overdone was Gura. Enma is 7cmc and 3 color, so I figured mana cost was a decent fix to her op abilities.

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>>2717680
>two different types of counters on a non-creature
I don't like it.
>>2717829
>blue tax
Blue doesn't tax, it gives a counter unless clause so you can still get abrupt decay through
The uptick is a bit much to get Ponder every turn and a static ability when Jace is 4 for a brainstorm
>>2717845
>random discard plus make a 1/1
>Starts with 5 loyalty on turn 3
Wew, someone learned nothing from Oko
>>2717863
>No cost for recursion
Ew
Abilities are alright for her CMC, i guess.
>>2717890
Very nice, very balanced
though I don't think the Deadbeats should have lifelink
>>2717907
>steal permanent on a stick
>On an uptick
I, too, hate everyone who play this game as well

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>>2722513
>Blue doesn't tax,
often.

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>>2722581
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/153114929968/is-propaganda-like-effects-still-in-blues-part-of
nevermind, you are correct.

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I've reworked the fan mechanic. Instead of the set focused around 1/1 fan creatures, it revolves around fan counters you gain. By themselves they do nothing, but 3 keywords, Idol, Donation, and Trending, interact with them that will incentivize a playstyle.

Idol; You may remove any number of fan counters you have to have CARDNAME enter the battlefield with that many +1/+1 counters. When CARDNAME leaves the battlefield, gain fan counters equal to the number of +1/+1 counters on it.

Donation X--Remove X fan counter(s) you have, CARDNAME gains KEYWORD until the end of turn.

Trending X; If you have X fan counters, CARDNAME can activate it’s abilities without paying there mana costs.

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>>2720763
I think you don't understand what a planeswalker is. Planes walkers are like you, the player, but fighting along side you on the battlefield. They don't just have some ability, they are "casting" as spell in a sense. You the player are a planeswalker too. So when you have planeswalker abilities, they should mimic a spell they are using.
Jace the Mind Sculptor
>+2 fateseal - Prcognition
>0 - Brainstorm
>-1 - Unsummon
>-12 - ultimate
Ultimates can be something all their own, but everything else should use a template from another card in the past.
Gura's 1st ability is similar to Preordain but not even Preordain but even better. btw, Preordain isn't even Modern legal.
So that should tell you something about how the ability stacks up
>>2717845
>A discard/mill/edict of YOUR CHOICE all in one ability.
That should is fucking absurd
An ability that is always good and always upticks and always gives you a token
For 3 cmc, Liliana of the Veil, the previously most powerful 3 cmc planeswalker
>+1, BOTH players discard
>-2, Player sacs a CREATURE
There are plenty of games where the guy who plays Lilliana does nothing with her deliberately because the cost of the +1 is too hardsh
>>2717863
Getting to play a planeswalker every turn if your opponent spends their turn to destroy it is fucking absurd.
Retrace, a mechanic on par with Storm in its place of never getting another card printed with that ability, HAS A COST MORE DEMANDING THAN THIS.
If it said, return it to your hand Only use this ability as a sorcery, then fine, you're taking a turn off to return it to hand, but Returning it straight to the battlefield, Uncounterably, and an ability that can be used immediately?
>>2722581
Blue used to have tax, but now it has counter clauses. If you have something with no clause, then it's in White. Blue will tell you it'll counter it or something.

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>>2722766
Actually, these are pretty well thought out. I really like them, except Octofriend's second ability. Interacting in the form of a rule on an ability is bad. If you want to play around with rules, there are some that do that, but with how this is worded, it's a bit awkward with how the mechanic works with trending. Like there are no cards that say, "Creatures you Unleash get 2 more +1/+1 counters". When old Wizards wanted to interact with an ability, they would use the counters as a way to create synergy rather than deal with the actual word text.
To make it easy, I'd just put, when tako dies, get a fan counter

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>>2720814
I'd say if you want to go for a pun in the title, Just make it an unhinged card (silver boarder) and then write something out that's wacky and fun.

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>>2717907
If I were to rework this instead of straight throwing it into the garbage,
2WUB
Starting loyalty 3
+2 - Detain target nonland permanent (Permanent cannot attack, block, or activate its abilities)
-3 - Look at the top 4 cards and have an opponent separate them into two piles. Put one into your hand and shuffle the rest and put them on the bottom of your library.
-6 - Search your library for two permanents and reveal them. Your opponent chooses one to put onto the battlefield and put the other to your hand.

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am speed

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>>2723106
I really like it. Interesting and fun.

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>>2723178
Thanks! I had to tweak it a little but thanks for the feedback. I'm also now noticing I said "round" instead of "turn." Been too long since I played magic.

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>>2723171
>>2723178
Actually, you should put sac instead of destroy. If I have an indestructible creature, I can just flip for a thousand times and the destroy would mean nothing

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>>2723205
Oh good thinking. Well I'll make a couple adjustments then.

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>>2723102
Detain is a great fit for meme ENMA.

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>>2723319
I thought so, I also worked it so that her other abilities were sort of in the vain of getting permissions for the chubbas and then ulting to get one chuba of choice into the spotlight and hold onto the other for a while.

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>>2723433
Oh, I get it now. The other too where not quite as clear.

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>>2723486
Well I phrased and modelled her a bit after Jace Architect of Thought, who's second ability is also a Fact or Fiction, and modeled the last one like how Emergent Ultimatum works. But the abilities work in flavor of her being a Manager

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>>2723671
If the tako fitted in more with the background, I coulda almost believe that this was just a real card pulled from the database. Fuck that flavor text seems legit to me.

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>>2723724
well of course: it's a simple and evocative card that has both flavor and a strong mechanical identity. It's the ideal NWO common.

The theme I'm running for Ina is a BW cult that pushes order and harmony while not-so-subtly harvesting and consuming takos to feed their magic.

This is mechanically built as a sacrifice mechanics for either value or summoning horror creatures (Ina as Vampire Hexmage and The Ancient Ones as Dark Depths).

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>>2723927
>Reflects dark depths
>No sac outlet from herself
>Color identity is restricted
Perfect. This is a damn good card in terms of balance, flavor, and design.
Fuck, I'm tempted to play this as a commander outright even though I've said before that I'm not that interested in playing custom cards ever.

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>>2723851
Strong synergy with Near Death Experience.

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>>2724070
First strike is not an ability in green or black.
If you take that out, it looks great

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>>2722798
>Ultimates can be something all their own, but everything else should use a template from another card in the past.
This isn't necessarily true, is it? Niko Aris for instance. Sure, it's a good rule of thumb, but especially for custom cards I think there's a lot of design space open to be explored.

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>>2723927
Sup

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>>2724222
Are you sure about that? I've seen a lot of green creatures with first strike going way back.

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>>2724015
This also satisfies my inner /u/schizo because I have Ame in White and BW InaAme feeds the narratives perfectly

A White aligned investigator delving deeper and deeper into a Black or BW cult and getting wrapped up in their dark magics and falling for their priestess is a perfect sub-story for a block.

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>>2724240
The synergy is intentional, you silly watagoose

see this anon's post >>2673902 for the Larit Mage alter token I made to go with it

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>>2724335
Hey, don't call me names! I just noticed it and thought it was funny to point out.

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>>2723851
damn, what a word soup
>>2724230
Niko Aris is an exception and not in a good way. More in a way of Wizards throwing out a lot of their design philosophy for new cards lately. I wouldn't template any new card on abilities based on cards printed since Eldraine. You'll notice it on planeswalkers in the past like Sarkhan and Chandra who are templated on their abilities being templated from other cards.
>>2724262
I guess there are a few. Still though, giving creatures first strike and death touch should be seldom done. Deathtouch and trample? Sure. First strike and vigilance? Sure. But First strike and deathtouch don't often go together and shouldn't.
>>2724278
I'm not exactly sure if Ina is white perse. I feel like since she's dealing with horrors, and sea horrors at that, it's almost like she just naturally blends into blue more than b/w aristocrats.

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>>2723851
Uh. Why can't this just be an instant?

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>>2724471
>But First strike and deathtouch don't often go together and shouldn't.
From what I understand, it doesn't create an absurd "first strike/death touch" synergy where it just insta-wins every combat, it just means after the combat phase, anything dealt deathtouch damage is killed. But sure, I mostly just wanted the flavour of ferocious, evil squirrels. I guess deathtouch alone manages that well enough.

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>>2724928
Well, you understand incorrectly.

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How come Amelia cards don't seem to make use of her time traveler lore?

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>>2725045
My bad then. You can tell it's been a long time since I played Magic.

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>>2725049
Time travel is both a tricky thing to work with and usually blue which doesn't match Amelia's fiery personality.

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>>2725202
White doesn't really suit her either but it's usually used for her because of her hair color.

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>>2725049
Outdated, but I gave it a try a while ago. Cant post the newer versions because at work.

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>>2725302
Nice.

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>>2725049
It's not a large design space so you have to work hard to make something fun with it and it's difficult to balance and cost too.

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Holy fuck the stench of nerd emanating from this thread

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You guys need to learn proper templating

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>>2723851
Let me take a stab at this
>Tenacious Resurrection
>1RW
>Instant
>Cast this spell only on an opponents turn
>Until your next turn, you cannot lose the game, permanents you control gain indestructible, and your life total cannot be lower than 1.
>You skip your next turn
I think this is fine as is and is balanced enough. No need to have the three other copies searched up and exiled

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>>2727081
Tell me, functionally how is this different than "Take an extra turn after this one."

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>>2731133
This effectively slices half a turn *into* the current turn, as opposed to the target player getting a full turn the turn after.

Notably, this won't give you an additional end of turn phases to pull triggers off, which would limit its use with some interactions.

It's a custom card, so I wanted to play with the effect.

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>>2731464
Couldn't you just say "You gain an extra turn and skip your next end step"

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>>2732085
You could. It also gives you two additional main phases as opposed to just one, which is a very minor difference.

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>>2731464
>>2732085
It also doesn't give you an extra draw step

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>>2732460
I should probably change "draw a card" to "draw phase" and then move the exile the artifact clause to be a cost as well.

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yall big nerds

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>>2723851
Shouldn't it just have Flash?

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>>2732598
Nerds on a board about digital Anime puppets?

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>>2717911
they steal your heart, anon

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>>2722798
I've been playing since Scars of Mirrodin so nah I know what a planeswalker is.

In regards to Gura, shes the most subbed holoEN so I wanted her power level to be hyped up. I intentionally gave her an OP draw ability and the mana tax for this reason. Shes also still within bolt range for a minimum of 1 turn, and is fragile enough at 2 loyalty to begin with. Also lol, who gives a shit about Modern?

In regards to Ina, I'm aware that the first ability is very powerful, I tried to temper it by adding "random" to two of the choices. The static ability is purely for flavors sake, working with her + ability making you lose your mind.

In regards to Kiara, yeah you're right the resurrect on her is too strong, shes a phoenix so I wanted some type of ability to bring her back, her + and - are fine and I don't plan to change them.

I made these for fun man, not to try and make playable cards. No need to sperg out.

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>>2722513
Yeah Ame was the first one I worked on, the 2 types of counters does jive with me either, but I was coming off of her Donkey Kong Country stream where she smashed her desk so hard that it crashed her Switch, so I wanted to incorporate her rage quitting into the card.

Ina is my favorite HoloEN so I was going more for flavor than balance.

Kiaras res is busted for sure, its something I might fix if I find the time to care.

I'm glad you like the Mori, I had a bit of writer's block while trying to come up with her abilities, wasn't sure how I felt about it overall.

Enma is Enma, I wasn't trying to be fair when making her. I really dislike the first - ability, someone mentioned Detain, that'd be something i'd be up for implementing as a +, and moving the gain control ability to her first - spot. Her ult is Brilliant Ultimatum, which is my favorite esper card, so...

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>>2737626
Enma is obnoxious but she's whatever. I've seen worse, even on an uptick.

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>>2737658
Forgot pic. Never forget.

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>>2737677
yeah, hes powerful enough that I don't feel comfortable putting him in my cube.

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>>2737441
>>2737626
>I made these for fun man, not to try and make playable cards
>I just want to make my chuuba the strongest, coolest, bestest card in the game
Just make a 0 cmc instant with your oshi that says "I win", if you want to be absolutely braindead about it. You don't need to bother with abilities if they all just say "i win, you lose, look at my waifu"
The principle of balancing, isn't just something I care about because I like the game, but rather something that triggers within me that I often think about when playing a game is, "Is this fun to play?", but also, "Is this fun to play against?". There's two sides of the coin when imagining these cards, and it's not just you clicking your heels, but do you also hear the groan from the other side of the table? If you like something, do you want to see it be hated?
I have played Tron and have played against Tron
These are two VERY different experiences and expressions to turn 3 Karn.

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>>2738020
Maybe he's one of those guys who's idea of "fun" is a "I win" button. These cards are perfectly balanced at the imaginary table in his head.

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>>2738047
I've never understood the mentality of anyone who NEEDS to win.
Maybe it's just that I've been exposed to these people who do that.
I've always thought, I don't want to just win, I want the other player to respect it, and nobody really feels good after a stomp. Neither the person getting stomped or the person doing the stomping. There's just nothing to it then.

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Rare value creature to tie together the AmeIna archetype.

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I tried making something based on the more general idol related things that don't fit towards any one character, sort of a Mazemind tome mentality.

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>>2722766
I didn't alter Ame at all. The rest I tweaked or changed.
>>2722966
You're right. Changed it.

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>>2751037
I think with Guiding Reaper, the ability is a bit nerfed. For her ability I think instead of checking for a +1/+1 counter you should a +1/+1 counter to a creature.
I also think Strong Arm Chimera should have its cost reduced by 1 generic.
Otherwise it looks great.

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>>2738153
I play izzet control mostly because I like the feeling of outsmarting my opponent's plan, the trickster archetype I guess you could say. That said, there are a ton of players who think that way. The entirety of modern fucking YGO is to become as un-interactive as possible in your archetype such that you can just vomit your archetype's wincon and win the game and honestly it's kinda fun when your opponent is doing the same thing. I can't really articulate why.
Of course running some sort of tron or stax vs a RDW deck is kinda eh?

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>>2756785
It's fun when it feels like a battle of wits, it's boring when it feels like a battle of wallets.

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>>2665552
cant wait for WotC to print it tho, itll be fun watching balancefags shitting fury over it

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>>2724222
Black absolutely has first strike you gigantic dumbdumb

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>>2637719
Cute

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>>2756785
YGO feels good because even though everything feels broken, powerful counterplay exists for every possible strategy, and it's fun to use (knowing when to Nib and what to use Imperm on, etc).

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>>2753340
I appreciate your feedback. Changed Strong-Arm but I don't know if I like her giving +1/+1 counters that way. Maybe it's fine. I'll keep a note.
>>2751037
I am struggling coming up with Saga effects for songs. I still think it's a cute idea.

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>>2761993
How hard do you feel getting Fan counters to be?
I like the idea of having more Fans opening up new pathways.

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>>2762948
I'm unsure. I definitely don't want them to be obtained off of ETBs, but actions you need to intentionally do. So maybe turn 2 or 3, you should be getting your first counter or two. By turn 4 and 5, I want the player to be netting them faster with either bombs or synergy. So lets say, turns 2~4 one on average. 4~5 two. +6~ three. Just a rough idea.

>I like the idea of having more Fans opening up new pathways.
What do you mean? Like abilities that can only be activated if you have X counters?

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>>2763325
>So lets say, turns 2~4 one on average. 4~5 two. +6~ three. Just a rough idea.
I meant per turn on average. Not 1 counter between turns 2 and 4.

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>>2763325
>So lets say, turns 2~4 one on average. 4~5 two. +6~ three. Just a rough idea.
I meant per turn on average. Not 1 counter between turns 2 and 4.

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>>2725049
Just one look at things like Tefferi would make you realize that it's hard to implement.

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>>2761993
I... actually like all of these cards. They all seem balanced and interesting and flavorful

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Rare board wipe for Mori. Set the price to 5 mana (could be 6) because a boardwipe that sticks around for three turns as it brings a plague is extremely oppressive.

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>>2761993
>Convict Cuisine
Surely this doesn't need the "other than being sacrificed" clause? A food is a relatively small upside and if you're going to sink a whole 5 mana into the fan counters (you can't even attack with the creature first assuming you curve into the effect) you may as well get the food too.
>Stardust Song
I get the flavour you're going for here but gameplay-wise the effects don't really make sense together. If the third effect buffed Humans you control instead, then you're incentivized to protect your Artifact Constructs and sac them with the second effect (which as it stands doesn't really do anything). You could also probably reduce the cost by (1). 5 mana is a lot for three 1/1s that can't even attack on the next turn since they all get sac'd (compare History of Benalia).
>>2768822
I think this card would be more interesting and less oppressive if the second effect did something else. As it is it wouldn't even be that strong depending on the format, but it's really gross and despair inducing against some matchups (especially with multiple copies). Maybe shift the -2/-2 to the first effect and have the second effect be "Put (some number) of +1/+1 counters on creatures you control". Then it encourages you to still play for the board and your opponent to rebuild in preparation for the second wipe.

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>>2768822
Thats just kinda boring. Mori's not the mindless killer type either.

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>>2767530
I'm glad you like them. Thank you.
>>2770910
Changed both. Stardust Song looks a lot better now, thank you.
>>2761993
Here are the 4 I've changed plus 4 more. Mori is still on the workbench.

Where does Chungami's name supposed to mean? Or does it have no meaning?

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>>2779816
Here's an idea, instead of fan counters being a spendable resource like energy, how about they're a constant value that only goes up. Maybe they have some sort of attrition clause like losing 1 per turn to represent the need to put out new content, but overall they remain a rather constant value that increases the power of anything that checks how many fan counters something has. That would require shuffling the values of cards a bit, but I feel like that better represents the fan/Vtuber relationship.

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>>2779816
>Where does Chungami's name supposed to mean? Or does it have no meaning?
I have never watched a homostar except Pizzadad
These cards look balanced and nice though.

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>>2761993
Here's my idea for a Song Saga. I based the concept of the all or nothing charge idea presented in 'The Flame of Keld' but even more of an extreme all or nothing attack.

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>>2791397
Seems like a completely busted combo/burn enabler, you can go way to deep, way to early. The third counter isn't even a big deal because you're guaranteed to draw into an out for it, considering you're drawing a little less your deck on a full grip.
>>2783145
thanks
>>2783077
I think I'm set on the fan counters being used/spent for a variety of different effects. Its more about what the fans do for the Vtubers. Donations, causing them to trend, ect. I don't believe that a low amount of content being produced should be represent with fans leaving.
It is flavorful in its own way, but I don't think I'll be changing how I'm making them at this point.

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>>2792236
That's all permanents, including lands, you're drawing out nothing.

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>>2792236
>Embrace from the Brink
>That flavor text
lol

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>>2792316
But if you bounce/destroy/exile it anytime after the second lore counter, that doesn't happen. You've drawn so many cards at that point I'm sure you'd have an answer for it.

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>>2792316
But if you bounce/destroy/exile it anytime before the third lore counter, that doesn't happen. You've drawn so many cards at that point I'm sure you'd have an answer for it.

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>>2792316
This was standard playable for control players

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>>2792604
You make a good point, it should be more ironclad.
How's this?

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>>2793475
Still pretty broken in that card draw. Just make it wheel (discard your hand, draw seven)

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>>2798387
Nah, the variability feels better in this case.

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>>2801779
No, if you leave it as is, this becomes a degenerate hyper combo deck. Even a super burn deck.
If you want them to draw a bunch of cards at least force them to discard their entire hand instead of picking and choosing.

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>>2793475
Pretty sure this has memory issues as the game as no way to track the first effect without a counter of sorts

It's also not necessary since you can move the sac to the third chapter itself as an effect

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>>2792389
LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

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>>2674957
>>2676379
>dies to removal
notice how youre having to say that about a literal one card thats being presented on its own? retard
>>2683507
>hurr durr you cant swing with it cuz dies to removal
>NOOO YOU CANT GET USE OUT OF IT STOP DOING BIG DUMB SHIT ITS NOT SKILLFUL
lmao

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>>2671601
now make an mtg thread on /mlp/ and ask that question there so you can see how stupid that question is

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>>2804313
If that was the case, then how could something like Alseid of Life's Bounty do anything?

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>>2804313
There are ways, like Final Fortune.

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>>2793475
I don't like it. Having a 3 drop card that accelerates you to the point where you either completely blow out your opponent with combo/burn, on a two turn clock or die is something I dislike greatly and I think cards designed like that harm games.
>>2779816
>>2792236

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>>2792236
>That flavor text on from the brink
kek

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>>2768822
this is legitimately awful just make it a regular enchantment you retard

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>>2768822
>>2770910 Inspired me to make one about "Off With Their Heads". I'm really happy the original art is a long body shot, didn't know until just now. It looks great.

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CCGs are the worst kinds of games. There is literally not a single one that actually allows for long complex strategic games. Every single one of them is either about rushing or some gimmick combo that perhaps involves four cards, but usually just two or even just one.

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Can somebody explain me why there is no fast mode to play MTG Arena? Sick and tired of sitting around waiting for fucktards to move the game forward after drawing every single turn out endlessly.

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>>2820137
>>2820308
I wonder if this is the same person.

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>>2817632
I think digit plucker reveals the potentially broken aspect 'pay 0 mana for abilities'. At the others are limited by tapping, but with plucker you're suddenly only limited by life.
Maybe something like trending reducing the cost of abilities to/by 1 or 2 mana would be safer.

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these are great. holy.

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>>2823160
Digit Plucker probably should have a higher trending cost, but I'm okay with them having little to no costs at certain thresholds.
I'd rather have a "Activate only once each turn." clause on problematic abilities than limit the keyword. But you might be right. I'll keep a note.

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>>2793475
It's awful as shit just make a color shifted version of >>2793102

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>>2817632
I like all three of these.

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>>2817632
I like the idea behind the captain, but I feel like the downside is a bit too much to anything other than pick 20+ in limited. What about

>On you untap step, if Enervated Captain is tapped, create a treasure token. Enervated Captain can't attack this turn.

That way, it can at least block during its off turns.

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>>2835138
That's a pretty elegant idea. I love it.
>>2831821
Appreciated.
>>2828953
Changed Korone a bit. When I find the true fan counter curve, this will probably be adjusted again.
>>2779816
Finally changed Mori. This is the most I'm willing to give her.
>>2792236
Does anyone watch Anya? I want to give her a rework, but I don't watch her or know what she is like at all.

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>>2838835
>Digit Plucker
3 life is a steep price to push in damage and not even remove bigger creatures. I would be better with it, if it was can't attack or block

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Help. I tried to make a card with this but can't think of a good name

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Does anyone have good watame fanart with no white background? I want to make 0/1 goat tokens.
>>2840043
Looks like it could be an instant or sorcery. It's better to get fanart inspired by an event or stream and then focus the flavor around that.

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>>2838835
Did you stop playing magic a while ago? These cards seem like they where designed with an earlier meta in mind.

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>>2724335
Hey, I know who you are! Thanks for making that token for me.

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>>2851768
I played from the middle of Avacyn Restored to the end of Shadows over Innistrad. Return to Ravnica is what I'm mostly pulling from when I make these cards.

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>>2853206
Oh that would explain it. Though they are underpowered now if I mentally adjust the values a bit I can see the flavor more clearly.

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>>2839519
I really don't want her to prevent attacking, but I'll keep a note in case I change my mind. I'll study some other cards that are similar to find the right cost/ability power.
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>>2857417
Squirrelink is the best idea on this whole thread.
Though why does Lamy have Evolve?

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>>2857522
I wanted to give her an ability that synergized with Idol, that's the only reason. I don't know much about her honestly, other than her being a drunkard.

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>>2857417
>Vixen Performer
Should be: "When Vixen Performer enters the battlefield, you may discard a card, then draw two cards."
>Celerity Squirrel
I don't think you should keyword squirrel link. Just have it as an ability on it's own.
Otherwise, looks good.

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>>2857983
more proper wording is
>etb you may discard a card. If you do draw two cards
or
>etb discard a card, then draw two cards

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>>2859186
Right.

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>>2857983
Squirrellink is already keyworded, technically

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>>2857983
>>2859186
I'll change it now

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ogey

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>>2867814
Skull Servant is Skull Servant.
Rrat Flip and King Rrat are too reliant on Ogey specifically to be playable, should br an Ogey card. Not sure why. King Rrat also can't gain more than 3k, because you didn't bother copying the wording of King of the Skull Servants. I'd also reword the protection as "this card is unaffected by card effects (except its own). During each End Phase banish one Ogey card from your GY".
Ogey is passable but needs more rrat names.
Not Ogey is fine, but the last line is unneeded.
The XYZ is pointless. Why aren't they all level 3? Why isn't it generic? If it was you could at least justify Tour Guide.

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>>2860550
Shit, I missed the latest un-set
Very well

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>>2712757
For some reason Sora not being Bishop/Haven doesn't seem right to me.

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>>2732484
Eh, I feel like Quickplay would work for this concept but it should be something like preventing a Watame monster on the field from being attacked/prevents effects against it or something.

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>>2867814
Shouldn't top left specify being Beat / Normal?

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>>2876552
Idols are literally a Portal signature tho

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>>2840043
Maybe Fubuki, Canitude of Hoarfrost? Anything that alludes to her name which literally translates to "Whiteout Blizzard" really.

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Hinotori is my favorite of Kiara's songs.

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>>2857417
Got rid of Evolve on Lamy and gave her 1G/U Tap, Put a +1/+1 counter on Lamy. Hopefully this better represents her drinking. Maybe I should limit it to Sorcery speed?

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>>2867814
>>2868624
updated

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>>2903298
shit, just realized schizo rrat can cause infinite loops

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modern mtg would have an exile clause but only the best for gremlin

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>>2906189
That's a really cool idea, not sure if the numbers are balanced, but it's still a neat image and effect match.

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>>2906189
Looks awesome. Good one anon.

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I made this one a while ago

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>>2908891
And this is just a cute idea i had for an Alter.

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>>2903298
This went from "underwhelming Skull Servant Knockoff" to crazy degenerate link bullahit real quick. Or so I thought. Then I reread Chain and it says "When", so it's complete shit. Because it says "when", it doesn't even work with the other cards in the Archetype.
But, this would be a decent engine, if it didn't say "when".
3 Chain
3 Rescue Cat
1 level 3 beast tuner
1 of the link

>>2903937
It doesn't because it says "when".

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I know this isn't exactly the point of this thread, but y'all know there's already a hololive tcg, right?

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>>2916837
My first impression from Rebith for You was it looked bland. Is it very interesting?
>>2897595

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>>2916837
My first impression from Rebith for You was it looked bland. Is it very interesting?
>>2897595 (You)

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>>2918518
>Is it very interesting?
It's surprisingly fun, as long as you don't take it too seriously. It's really random - it's basically a glorified card-flipping game. That being said, it's somehow perfect for virtual waifu battles, and it's quick to set up and play, and it doesn't bog down in the mid game that way mtg tends to.

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>>2897595
These all look good.
>>2894504
Way too powerful for it's cost
>>2908891
Good Un- card
>>2909413
Saved. Will get a card copy
>>2918518
This should be in red I think, with that sort of flavor text. Could also make red human tokens.
>>2906189
Time warp doesn't exile for 5, so I think it's alright for an extra turn spell at 8 mana

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>>2916837
I thought of making wixoss hololive cards since the niji girls are there and I like the game but I am too lazy to think of effects and stuff

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>>2918518
watson as a boros goblin would be good.

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>>2920949
Get with the times before talking about power.
This was in Theros.

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>>2923311
No, yours is overpowered even by numagic standards