/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>11 members
>1 stream or less a day
Seriously, just release gen 3 already. Maybe they'll get lucky and find a hag that has nothing better to do like Koyori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
three gens is a good size for the kaigai branches.
but with the EN hype gone i'd be worried about any newcomers sub counts. maybe wait a little and debut a 3<= member gen, if they find talent who are different enough from the others that is

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
This is what you get for paying these girls so much for just existing. The new gen will be even more lazy, because western women have no work ethics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
I want a hag that is basically too old to get out and does nothing else than stream all day..

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>>25613073
As far as we can tell EN management is unable to spot if a person is passionate or not - gen3 will be another failure so they should just accelerate gen 4 5 6 and 7 an maybe then we have some content

[Anonymous No.]

Western women were a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
EN vtubers are dying unless you are Vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder how many project pitches of there’s got shot down. They haven’t done a full vrchat group since December

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
If this is the work ethic gen 3 isn't going to fix things. They need to go full niji and throw infinite people out there to get something to stick.

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>>25613073
Gen3 won't save shit HoloEN management is going to kill their motivation anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615301
Meanwhile NijiEN girls stream more than most people on JP side. Face it this is all on Cover being fucking retarded and making them hate streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
They're American/Canadian girls. They're for fucking and fapping to as far as Japanese are concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>he still watch holoEN

lmao, watch NijiEN if you want real streamers, the only ones that are worth in holoEN are Fauna and Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615674
Yeah but they're 3views

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615778
> watches Reimu
> she cries and pologizes to china
> she takes a break because the fukos were mad at her.

Do you really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615778
I don’t watch Offline TV sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>25616384
This. I want to get into Nijisanji but the whole China thing is off putting

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615778
I’m not interest in male streamers or their cock holsters, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615778
Fuck off nijiniggers
No one want to watch your drama faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613599
imo there's room for one more femgen.
Especially if they focus on getting five girls who can conduct collabs well.
The biggest issue with HoloEN is the low energy/low enthusiasm collabs.

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>>25613073
Don't you know how hard it is to find a western girl that doesn't rely on booba to be interesting but also put aside her oversized ego so she doesn't run their mouth about things they shouldn't?
They'd have more chance to find a english fluent jp talent

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>>25613073
Anya streamed longer in a single day than the whole EN branch did for a whole week

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>>25613599
Subs counts don't really matter, and they won't get hit with the -200k cull that Council did anyway. They'll all be higher than Sana at the end of the first week. After that they'll find their places and with so little overlap they're not gonna get crowded out most days and will be able to develop an audience.

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>>25616384
the fun thing is that Reimu toke a break and still streamed more in that week that Sana, Mori or Gura did in the entire month

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>>25615265
Anyone can pretend to be passionate in an interview. hell they might even have been, but the reality of streaming 5 days a week is different when you haven't necessarily done that before. That's one advantage the people Niji EN gets have. Yeah they aren't the most talented people in the world but most of them were daily grind streamers before and are able to carry on doing that.

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>>25613073
Honestly I though gen three would be out already but I guess not

[Anonymous No.]

>>25615674
The NijiCN streamers arent western

[Anonymous No.]

>>25617180
EN was never looking for girls with a work ethic to begin with. A real company would never let them get away with the shit they've done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613803
>western women
In Japan it's like this too.
The main problem is companies such as Hololive and Nijisanji not taking a cut on membership fees. A lot of girls realize that they can just coast off membership gibs after a certain point

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>>25615778
IRyS also. If she actually streams.

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>>25615778
Sheep are too attached to the brand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25616865
they fixed that with council already. they collab an average amount and the mc collabs are always pretty kino.
gura aside, kiara maybe, it's myth who aren't into collabs. it was worse before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25616840
>Niji drama
>nothingburgers people forget a week later

>Holo drama
>leads to top streamers graduating

Really makes you think.

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>>25617378
You realize half of holoEN are also asians right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
>saves EN

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>>25617682
Yeah Council collabs are a massive upgrade. The problem is they are too rare and too short. It really feels like everyone is doing the bare minimum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25617713
>HoloJP drama
Fixed

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>>25617854
She and Gura are the only ones I still watch but that's hardly saving anything.

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>>25617952
tbf they have a lot in common

[Anonymous No.]

You will never get your EN's version of Kaela. It's time to learn Indonesian language anon

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>>25617180
>Yeah they aren't the most talented people in the world
talking about nijiEN girls or the Council? cause jesus fuck if nijiEN girls "arent the most talented" where the Council stands?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25618075
like having a boDY GUARD

[Anonymous No.]

>>25617765
>half
no, youre just talking about Ina and her nepotism hires

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
>Release gen 3 So they can also be lazy and get paid for never streaming too.

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>>25613073
She also needs to be unafraid of doing GFE

[Anonymous No.]

What you guys don't understand is that there's a difference in culture which allows NijiEN to stream so much. Nina (for all her faults she's good at making meta observations about streaming) talks about it with Oliver in this clip https://youtu.be/NAQmbQDj2Lw but it's basically the entire branch indirectly pushing one another to stream more so they don't get left behind, it largely stems from Lazulight itself being all prolific streamers and setting the seeds for the branch later on as they match to keep up with them and not let their efforts go to waste. Even now when a bunch of people in NijiEN are alternatively taking breaks, Lazulight is still going strong which inspires others to step up and fill vacancies. Contrast this with HoloEN where the foundation itself is faulty with the most successful members being the lazy (Gura) or prioritising stuff other than streaming (Mori) and you have created a recipe for poor work ethic as even the new hires feel comfortable coasting by. No amount of hires is really going to fix that unless they change that root culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>25617490
>In Japan it's like this too
Nah man, my oshi streams 6 days a week and so do most of the rest. They stream so much that their throats are getting fucked as a result...

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>>25613073
Well what did you expect, OP? They kept decreasing their streaming time and simps kept coming back and donating so why even bother? Ayame proved this model works. Take gura for example, she goes missing for days and doesn't even bother tweeting a single message, comes back like nothing happened, streams for some time and fucks off again to spend her time with [...] No passion, no consistency, no creativity. At this point it's just milking simps who'll always be there for you no matter how shitty your work ethics are. At least JPs like Aqua, Shion or Ayame who stream inconsistently bother to keep in touch with their fans on twitter.

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>>25619558
>No amount of hires is really going to fix that unless they change that root culture
A motivated streamer that gets viral and mops the floor wiith their senpais in entertainment value would do it.
But I'm asking for a Salome-tier miracle here.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't worked in almost 3 months, people need breaks sometimes. I'd say its more indication that you, the "fans" have nothing better to do if you're so starved for streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25619803
Kobo is really popular though

[Anonymous No.]

>>25619873
That's all good an reasonable, but that's why you have 11 of them. So that there's coverage in case one of them needs a break. But nearly all of them just decided to just not stream at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25619876
Kobo is not in EN, if they were taking cues from other branches, they wouldn't need an Indog to look up to when JP is already a good example

[Anonymous No.]

The problem is they hired a bunch of people who put out single music videos or does a single stream every now and then instead of actual streamers.

If the goal was going for just idol shit it would of worked. But majority of their job is to be live playing games of talking to fans. None of them besides like ame and i think irys were real streamers.

It's like hiring an olympic sprinter when you need a marathon runner.

[Anonymous No.]

Take Indonesian mistress on the side when your oshi isn't streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25613073
I hope so. Bring on the new gen.

[Anonymous No.]

How much content do you really need? Oversaturation could be a problem. This way, instead, every stream is a fucking event.
And, always remember, better nothing than NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

At least Kiara is going to stream in 30 mins. Oh wait... I don't watch Kiara. Never mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>25620785
The fact that people like you think this way is part of the reason they can be so lazy. They know that no matter how low effort and shit they get you'll still be there for whatever scraps they serve up.

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>>25620960
Well, I don't know about you, but I have neither the time nor inclination to sit on my ass 16 hours a day zooming through corpo cartoon girls play video games.

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>>25621006
get out of my board, normie

[Anonymous No.]

There's no real solution for this problem as far as I can see. Judging by how EN hires people, we could have 50 members and still sit at two streams per day. Also they know that more streams (and more streamers) don't necessarily mean more superchats, so it's not something that concerns them. Yes it might be a concern that some donators can start to funnel some money into other things if the downtime is too big and they got nothing else to watch during prime hours. But I don't think they bother with it that much at all nowadays, they did bother when nijien first came around, but I guess it wasn't enough to keep them concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25620299

A few didn’t even start streaming until like a few months pre debut

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>>25613073
I thought Baelz was the hardworking one? What happened?

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>>25621148
That hasn't changed. She is still almost the only one consistently putting out a schedule/streams

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>>25621148
She worked hard for one month and then fucked off

[Anonymous No.]

>>25621148
She realized hard work won't get her Homocock

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>>25621286

Do the holos even need schedules? They seem annoying and there’s probably easier ways they can signal if an event kf any significance is happening

[Anonymous No.]

Another gen won't magically save the work ethic of the previous ones. New and shiny ENs will hardly influence the income stream of the earlier gens (has such a thing even happened in the other branches?) since the memberships will likely stay the same on top of what Cover pays.
Additionally, people seem to forget that we've already had two generations where the sudden rush of success negatively impacted at least one member, that's another reason why the hiring process is difficult since you never know how everyone will react.

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>>25621354
I think some JPs don't have them but they're pretty good for keeping an audience around. You get a preview to see if any streams interest you.

[Anonymous No.]

They’re bored and a jobs a job

maybe trying other projects with their gigantic income stream?

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>>25613073
Gura has a members stream today fwiw

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>>25620785
>This way, instead, every stream is a fucking event.
That might be true if it was an unarchived karaoke, off-collabs, hand cooking streams, or just creative content. But it isn't exactly a special event just to watch a vtuber play a video game, unless they finally conquered some permissions bullshit and are able to play stuff from companies like Atlus

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>>25619782
>Ayame proved this model works.
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>25620960
Do your VOD reps monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>25620785
>every stream is a fucking event.
Holyshit dude I can't wait to Bae & Irys IB stream
this gonna be such a event, I have been waiting months for this special occasion, never once seem in vtubing history
And holyshit Fauna AC Blackflag was such a groundbreaking event, this is the pinnacle of holoEN content

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>>25613599
i wouldnt worry too much about sub counts if no one else is streaming, people are more likely to tune into new girls when theyd be the only ones streaming anyway.
>>25619558
the roots dont need to be unrooted, their just needs to be an introduction of super talents, ones wholl push the others to do better, whether out of worry for their own security or out of spite.
alternatively management could try mandating the whole branch to meet a shared hour quota so everyone feels pressured to contribute a little bit more.
however i havent thought too much on how this would effect things so it may cause more harm then good

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>>25613073
I find it kind of hilarious that Sana is streaming more than ever, just not for Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

haven't watched en since january, seems like i avoided disappointment

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>>25613073
Kiara is streaming right now, Gura has a memba stream and there's a good chance Kronii puts up a room today too.

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>>25623043
reminder not to form an opinion based on what people say who don't watch streams

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>>25613073
Hololive is a hybrid streaming and performance group. Don't be greedy.

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>>25620785
Ayame's streams are an event. This is a shitty middle ground

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>>25620960
My oshi streams almost every day. I only guessing how it works. As anon sed before: Ayame streams are actually events on their own. I don't like her too, but I can see a pattern.