/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>Parasocial relationships are literally why V-tubers exist in their current state today at all.
Is this true?

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At least it was framed better than Sussus Amogus put it.

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>>25245755
That's not the reason they exist but it's the reason they are popular

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>>25245755
Without the parasocial aspect people would go back to anime.

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seeing nijisanji self sabotage like this is fun.

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Sure as shit ain't normalfags helping pay the bills

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>>25245755
There's a reason why these specific ENtubers from this specific brand are irrelevant.

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based take

[Anonymous No.]

Nahhhhh, Hololive and Kizuna Ai have warped the industry into making us believe this is the norm, when in reality vtubers should be nothing, but a subgenre of streaming.

Like all streamers, you can decide to bait people and make them into paracucks, but you can also decide not to do this.

You can be a Vtuber and not have a parasocial with your viewers. But BFE and GFE vtubers, will most of the time be the one earning more. So idk, pick your poison

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>>25245755

no

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>>25245755
Not the reason they exist but it is the reason they got popular. Two different things.

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>>25245755
She's just mad that no one gives a shit about NijiEN females

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>>25245755
Without the parasocial element, you wouldn't have pop culture celebrities of any kind at all.

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>>25245755
Nijiwhores can't write a tweet without using buzzwords

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>>25245755
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania

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>>25246068
Streaming is literally the definition of parasocial. If you want a chance at non-parasocial vtubing you'd have to go back to the world of putting up short videos that never directly address the audience at all.

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Damn Niji really fucked-up with their EN hires.

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>>25245755
They could exist without facilitating parasocial relationships but they wouldn't be as successful. Same as 3DPD streamwhores. The stupid zoomer fish will say this but still gladly take money from her paypigs.

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I always laugh when a streamer bring parasocial relationships as something bad while they actively trying to engage you the viewer, on a parasocial relationship for the monetary gain of the streamer and the company behind them.

The truth about all this, is that all streamers make money of that and are constantly manipulating you to invest money on them shilling their merchandise, VP, and baiting superchats, because they lack meaningful talents to be just pure entertainers that you watch on your free time to be just entertained.

This feel like a whore telling her clients that they are bad people, while they make a live from the clients.

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>>25246068
All of the biggest streamers in the world have a parasocial nature to their audience interactions

[Anonymous No.]

>letting males and females collab
Found the problem

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>>25245755
Gimme link! ! !

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>>25246280
This. If there is an interaction between streamer and audience, it's parasocial

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>>25246532
https://twitter.com/Colorofsky2/status/1531480098431451137

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>>25245755
Yep and the reason Kizuna could never get back on her feet is because the times changed. You can't be close and personal with this corpo figure head that was at the level she was on.

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>>25245755
Bruh these fucking vtweeter are getting out of lane

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>>25245755
Obviously, but the comments will be filled with people trying to gaslight him into thinking that he's wrong. Vtubing is inherently manipulative because female behaviour is.

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>>25245755
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

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Bros we already agreed way back that vtuber shit is emotional prostitution to shake money out of you. We agreed on this like the 1st week when /vt/ was made. I even think there was a poll about it.

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Who? Never heard of that whore before and when I went to check their channel the most viewed stream is literally an ASMR from 3 weeks ago and the rest is no views literal who tier shit

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>>25245755
Fuck yes, vtubers are the anime girl/boy dream people watch to fall in love or at least have some connection, of course some can become more than their models but if you have no talents you are just a cute model to look at

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>>25245755
Yes, anyone who thinks otherwise is just too proud to recognize their own flaws.

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my first time seeing her tweet
why is she so rude bros

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>>25245755
- None of them are doing Kizuna Ai/4 Kings shit
- They pretty much abandoned kayfabe

Yeah, they're thriving off of parasocial relationships. If they approached vtuber personas like a skill, people would see them as performers.

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>>25245755
It gives off the impression of someone whose main exposure to vtubing comes from Hololive. A lot of people in Nijisanji JP don't indluge parasocial viewers at all and have done very well like Mito for example.

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>Holobronies agreeing with twittards to "own le nijinigurs"
Please go the fuck back, there's tons of fucking vtubers that just stream games and that's it but your tiny bubbles don't let you see that, as always

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>>25245755
These people are trying to use Twitter logic on Eastern Asian's. Its not going to work.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6UP_6lAWXI

quin was right

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>>25247370
Go to sleep Reimu, you should be taking a break

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>>25245755
it is what brings the big bucks
hololive paved the way

[Anonymous No.]

That hurts. Poor Finana...

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>>25247433
They hated him because he spot of truth.

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>>25247370
Finana don't shit the bed harder than you already have.

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>>25247433
>quin69
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQcRVUlWWc4

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>>25247335
Lots of Nijisanji JP don't even read superchats or do superchat reading streams at all. They might randomly pick them up and react to them if it comes at the right time and its funny or interesting.

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>>25245755
>isreal
Jesus. I guess the western whores are ready to burn it all down.

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>>25246068
>watches Xqc watch tik tock vidoes for 4 hrs with 70k other people
>watches Masterchef with BR streamer with another 30k people
Its all the same shit

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>>25245755
>yeah FUCK YOU fans that pay my bills and would support me through thick and thin, FUCK YOU and your cringe parasocial asses.

wtf is going on with Niji man

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summary for newfags

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>>25245755
Not necesarily, but it is an inescapable foundation of the industry and always will be. I'm not interested in pretending I have any sort of relationship with someone I just want to watch as an entertainer, but at the end of the day I can't avoid having some sort of attachment to her. It's one thing for a streamer to try to tone down or otherwise minimize the inevitable parasocial relationship with their fans as much as possible, but trying to outright deny or repress the existence of it period is just dishonest and destructive.

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>>25247805

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>>25248151
>finana
>entertaining

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>>25245755
Yes and no. There are levels to parasocial relationships. For vtubers/entertainers this is the basic leveling idea.

You have the truly unhealthy celebrity crush/worship tier. This is the life ruining shit as you revolve your social, monetary, and mental health and life around the fixation. Ie Vox, rushia and Lamy, Brittany spears and Nsync back in the day

You have the slightly better celebrity tier were you believe they can do no wrong or have bad opinions. Ie: Johnny Depp right now, Coco, Neil deGrasse Tyson a few years back, Bill Nye during his terrible netflix show, korone to some
People.

You have the friend tier. This is more healthy but can still Go bad. This is the tier a lot of vtubers have with their chats too. Ie: Fubuki, what Korone tries to be, Mio, Snoop Dogg, Bill Nye during his orginal show, a lot of kids programming.

Then you have the completely healthy and appropriate tier. There is only one man that ever reached it and so the tier is named after him. The Mr. Rogers tier. You had a parasocial relationship with him and he with you and it was good and healthy.

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>>25245755
This nigga only watches hololive
Truly tragic

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>>25247335
Mito is the exception bruh, she's literally one of the most popular. No one else even comes close to her in terms of views and superchats, Most niji are obscure, and out of the hundred plus you have maybe two or three dozen that stands out and make money and views.

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>>25245755
>kizuna ai
>kaguya luna
>hatoba tsugu
>.live
>mito
>deron
>kuzuha
>poko and peanuts
>tenkai

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>>25248236
>>25248252
The only streamers that aren't parasocial are art streamers with no dialogue
Every single big streamer, including non-vtubers, have a major parasocial element to them

Do they have a private discord community?
Parasocial.
Do they interact with fans on twitter?
Parasocial.
Do they read donation messages and their names?
Parasocial.

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>>25248276
Most of the popular members in NijiJP aren't baiting parasocial relationships. It's not really exceptional.

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>>25248043
KEK, holobronies really ruined this board

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>>25246374
>The truth about all this, is that all streamers make money of that and are constantly manipulating you to invest money on them

Regardless of what streamers or their audience say this is the truth. Which is fine but I really hate how they try to act better than other people because they aren't 'parasocial' even though they are. Celebrity worship is one of if not the most pathetic 'hobby' you can have. Your reasons for watching them are irrelevant.

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>>25248387
That's the audience's fault. Not the streamer's problem people are big entitled babies.

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>>25248387
Don’t disagree. Just saying that it’s not a black and white thing that parasocial elements are bad

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>>25248468
It actually is, funny enough KSON brought on a psychologist a few months back that talked about how most big streamers are specifically using psychological techniques to encourage donations and parasocial behaviors.

Every single streamer that shit talks parasocial fans have all actively participated in it to varying degrees because there is a financial incentive to do so, especially when they first start out

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>>25247942
They got a taste of success from the boys so their true colors are showing...OR they're like a dying animal lashing out at anything and everyone. Or it could just be karma making its rounds.

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>>25248567
That's based. Shit doesn't work on 2000 IQ gigachads like me though. Shits funny af.

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>>25245755
damn, you niggas support something like this

[Anonymous No.]

I new oshi is loved because she can stay in a role of a Ojou-sama not because of her para social relationship although I wouldn't mind if she verbally harassed me

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>>25248498
I agree as well
During the entire rushia debacle, my gf and I debated all the different problems that came out.

We basically came to an agreement that rushia is a succubus, but that it's not an inherently bad thing, most people that are looking for a friendship/girlfriend simulator will find it somehow, that these people are usually adults who are long past the point of saving, and that a psuedo-relationship with a succubus is morally acceptable as long as they are still a functional member of society and aren't just financing it with government neetbux

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>>25248387
Calling it parasocial is cope for people who want to dehumanize their audience. They can set relationship boundaries without pretending that their interactions don't count as "real".

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>>25245755
100% true. Streaming as a concept is parasocial, unless you completely ignore your audience and never talk about yourself.

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>>25248671
fr bruh these niggas wildin af

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>>25248757
>my gf and I
okay dude

[Anonymous No.]

> It actually is, funny enough KSON brought on a psychologist a few months back that talked about how most big streamers are specifically using psychological techniques to encourage donations and parasocial behaviors.

> Every single streamer that shit talks parasocial fans have all actively participated in it to varying degrees because there is a financial incentive to do so, especially when they first start out

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>>25248806
Lol he means his... LEFT HAND!!!! ^^

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>>25248725
Man, I want her to wrap her drills around my dick and jerk me off.

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>>25247335
Yeah, sure. Mito the poster child if you will. There is a reason why butthurt Aifag shitposted about how Mito would be stabbed by a stalker back in the day.
Long form streaming is always parasocial. Even fucking Asmongold is parasocial. The streamer doesn't have to do anything about it, retards will delude themselves, and if streamer does enough to discourage them then even the normalfags will leave because some degree of familiarity is essential. Without it you might as well go watch TV shows with much higher production quality and content density, no need to sit there and watch an anime clown for 3 hours hoping for a funny to happen. Doing a token effort to not be a straight up virtual cabaret and then pretending to be the bulwark of mental stability in v-space while still riding on simp and yumejo bucks is the most hilarious shit I've seen in this community.

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>>25246068
Having a parasocial relationship is inevitable to any kind of streaming experience, even if you don't try to or even are repulsed by it. Without parasocial relationship you know well they wouldn't donate so much money, or care about your daily shit, or not change streamer every few weeks when they get bored.
Many of the ones talking about "not wanting parasocial relationships" are either delusional or just want all the benefits of one without any of the responsabilities of them.
>But what about people like Suisei...
She attracts an audience more in favor of a colder aloof relationship which fits her more diva image. Still parasocial. You can't stream for hundreds of hour to the same audience for years and expect to not form any kind of bond with them. The end.

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>>25248806
We watch a lot of different streamers together, I'm usually into it more for the dramafag stuff, she's into a lot of the furry vtubers

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>>25248948
>she

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>>25248839
It's not that hard to get a fat gf into anime anon

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>>25248980
I recommend chatting up girls on discord and completely disregard how old they are, worked for me. you'll eventually get a bite

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>>25245755
Yes. This doesn’t just apply to VTubers though, this applies to every streamer, anime avatar or not. They make their money making their audience think they’re their girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/bro/etc. If you feel like you know someone without actually knowing them, it’s parasocial.
People single out VTuber fans for parasocial activity but a lot of regular streamers on Twitch have an extremely parasocial audience. xQc, tyler1, HasanAbi, Asmongold, etc. They have thousands of people sitting in their chatroom all day sitting through entire 6+ hour streams, typing away as if they actually know the streamer. A vocal part of them gets angry at them for missing a day of streaming.
>>25248236
So much this.

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>>25248151
nice strawman, retard.

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>>25248887
Those who truly watch "for the entertainment" would just check out the clips for the best moments and move on.

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>>25249069
I'm not that pathetic yet

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> Having a parasocial relationship is inevitable to any kind of streaming experience, even if you don't try to or even are repulsed by it. Without parasocial relationship you know well they wouldn't donate so much money, or care about your daily shit, or not change streamer every few weeks when they get bored.
> Many of the ones talking about "not wanting parasocial relationships" are either delusional or just want all the benefits of one without any of the responsabilities of them.
>But what about people like Suisei...
> She attracts an audience more in favor of a colder aloof relationship which fits her more diva image. Still parasocial. You can't stream for hundreds of hour to the same audience for years and expect to not form any kind of bond with them. The end.

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If Vtubing had not switched to live streaming and kept being about pre recorded videos none of this would be happening. With prerecorded videos there is a wall between the creator and the viewer that you cannot pass. And really what has live streaming brought to vtubing? Superchats and memberships? Just more ways of milking the viewer out of their money and turning them into paypigs

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>fans are lonely people looking for a human connection so they feel less lonely
>streamers knowingly provide this (or if you're less charitable, prey on it) and encourage it by stuff like voice packs, private hangouts for supporters and superchat readings
>both are expected to pretend that this isn't what they are doing
It really is a messed up ecosystem of pure mental illness

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Sounds like they don't like the audience of "parasocial fucks" they cultivated.

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I LOVE LAZULIGHT

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Yes. Vtubers are approximately 100% based on parasocial relationships. Now, there is a stark difference between being a parasocial weirdo that thinks they are friends with their streamer and are way too into their streamer's life and just a normal person who is inherently in a parasocial relationship through watching someone's content regularly.

People in general have a poor understanding of the word parasocial. Every interaction where a person has thousands of fans is by default very parasocial. And don't get me wrong, it's good for the viewer to understand this on their end. In fact, one of the best ways to avoid interactions that are called "parasocial" is to understand that the relationship between a streamer and viewer is inherently and inescapably parasocial.

The entire appeal of most streamers is to skirt the line between parasocial and social interactions. But the thing is, the stream is not about any specific viewer. It's the viewership as a whole. The problem is the weirdos that lack awareness of the fact that the stream will go on without them, they are just one of the tens, hundreds or thousands enjoying it. Those people need to fall back in line and realize that it's not a two-way close personal relationship you have with your streamer even if you watch them every day. That's what people really mean when they talk about "parasocial" viewers. It's those that don't understand that their relationship is parasocial. In fact, almost all streamers do enjoy some of the parasocial interactions. Just as long as viewers understand that while you know exactly who they are, they have no idea who the fuck you are.

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>>25249134
Don't let women on social media gaslight you never finding love

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>>25246068
>when in reality vtubers should be nothing, but a subgenre of streaming
Nijinigger hands type this. Vtuber was never about streaming nigger! It was in the fucking name Virtual YOUTUBER not streamer or your disgusting organ. Anything Virtual-Anime-esque ON YOUTUBE IS Vtuber!

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>>25249288
Why did i get a dystopia vibe when i read this

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>>25245755
That's rich gold comedy coming from Finally, because she's the same whore who did a valentine's card for her fanbase asking if they would cook for her, made a tag so ryuguards (her fanbase) posts pictures of themselves jacked and swol for her to browse and look.
What OP tweet reply and >>25246374 is completely true, lots of hypocrites in this industry chastising their fanbase, yet using exact same psychological "parasocial grooming" tactics themselves say to disapprove

[Anonymous No.]

> Sounds like they don't like the audience of "parasocial fucks" they cultivated.

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>>25249419
Finana* fucking typo

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>>25245755
Parasocial relationship with penis-kun

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> That's rich gold comedy coming from Finally, because she's the same whore who did a valentine's card for her fanbase asking if they would cook for her, made a tag so ryuguards (her fanbase) posts pictures of themselves jacked and swol for her to browse and look.
> What OP tweet reply and >>25246374 # is completely true, lots of hypocrites in this industry chastising their fanbase, yet using exact same psychological "parasocial grooming" tactics themselves say to disapprove

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>>25248887
Hi, Hana. Asmongold is deliberately parasocial.

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>>25246579
Who sends superchats and buy expensive merch? Normal people don't, they consume the free media and move on

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>>25249441
Do people in leddit really believe in that? You sound more informed about their habits and culture than me

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>>25249587
Never got this, been watching vtuber for almost a year now. I watch streams alot but never felt a need to donate or buy merch at most i'll memeber one or 2 if i want extra streams.

The entertainment is free so why pay for it?

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Did you ever wonder how streamers made money before vtubers did?

Latchkey kids were literally paying streamers to say their names because it was literally the only way they'd get someone to acknowledge they exist

This industry is depressing as fuck if you stop to think about it for even a second

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>>25248043
>>25248151
>>25248813
>>25249160
>>25249559

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>>25249441
>>25249559
Finana...

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>>25245755
holy shit Feesh blown the fuck out
pack it up nijisisters...it's over

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>>25249578
Hana is a vapid childwoman. It doesn't change much. Parasocial interaction is woven into the core of streaming and more so with vtuber streaming since 99% of vtubers are selling an appealing character. Take it or leave it. Nobody likes a holier than thou faggot who actively engages in shit he admonishes.

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>>25249672
Because you are not too deep into the parasocial relationship
These streamers and twittards shit on parasocial fans and yet almost all their income comes from them waiting the streamer to be wealthy thanks to their money

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>>25249727
>Can you take a break without serious withdrawal
>if you answered yes, take a break
Oh good, I don't need to take a break because it would give me serious withdrawal symptoms.

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Man thank the lord that the Hololive recruiters did not pick any of these rejects that went to Niji EN

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>>25249384
Their stream and life goes on without you. Yes, that's true of normal relationships, too. "Parasocial" is a pointless term, used primarily to bludgeon supposed offenders of the boundaries streamers expect viewers to respect. A sort of ace-up-their-sleeve that they can employ whenever they want to wash their hands of fan interactions. They aren't using it in good faith, it's just a tool for them to browbeat viewers who have inconvenienced them.

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>>25249809
Already unsubbed and what not to a lot of them (not all). I'm just tired of the drama and hypocrisy. Especially the latter. I know people are not perfect and not all good, BELIEVE me, but...LORD have just a LITTLE bit of awareness. Just a fucking crumb at the the least.

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>>25248760
Very cool

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>>25245755
I'm glad I only watch small indies. This shit is embarrassing.

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>>25249315
Of course they don't, but it's their job to pretend to like them for a few hours a day, which they can't even manage

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>>25248236
why is lamy on this list?
i dont think shes that bad, she is GFE but in recent months its been pretty tame
perhaps im missing some things though?

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>>25249922
More like thank the lord for the gag order and mane-san reminding them what puts the food on their plate at every opportunity. You know half of them think like this behind the scenes.

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>>25246068
> streamers with Avatars
go watch fleshtubers then

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>>25245755
Streamers in general saw an uptick from 2020 onwards, and though some of it was parasocial, most of it was entertainment value as a humongous new wave of people were now left to watch their streaming services, watch streamers, play games, or try to make their own content.

This argument is so reductionist you might as well just say that browsing the internet is parasocial because you need to pay for said internet and visit websites

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>>25250108
This, females tend to bite the hand that feeds them. If they aren't actually working for that $$$ they'll feel entitled to it. Fuck that nonsense. It's why I only throw a few dollars at my oshi when she goes above and beyond or does outstanding karaoke streams, nothing more.

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>>25249932
It's kind of true what you're saying here. I think it's also possible to have parasocial relationships without being a streamer at all. If you're the type of person in a large friend group that it the loudest, you might notice that people are far more interested in your life than you are in theirs. I'm just guessing that a lot of streamers aren't used to being the popular kid, which leads them feeling weird about it.

But ultimately, streamers are the most guilty of misusing the word "parasocial" for sure. It's just because it has a negative connotation and it helps them give an easy target for their annoyance. In fact, when people ask questions that show a complete lack of being parasocial, some streamers get extra mad. Streamers just want the right kind of parasocial behavior. The kind that doesn't annoy them. That's fair, but they should verbalize in in other terms besides "parasocial". In fact, people who shit on the "parasocial" behavior are also usually being parasocial as fuck.

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>>25250183
There's a reason bathtub streamers fucking loathe vtubers

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>>25250081
It’s more the overall behavior of the fan base. She has toned it quite a bit but her fan base is very much in that tier. See how some of them can treat botan for example.

On a personal note I do think it’s a bit unintentional on her part, or at least she never meant for it to get to that point and why she is scaling back a bit even before the rushia yabe. Probably should of noted it my bad.

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>>25249922
>Rushia, Aloe, Chris, and HoloCN could not be reached for comment
Did you forget the part that you picked up Mori, Kroni, IRyS and Bae?

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>>25249384
...what does "parasocial" mean again?

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>>25250427
Interest in a persona.

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Oh look, it's the semi-weekly convention of sane and self-aware vtuber viewers. How is the circlejerk going? Fun fact: you will never be a woman.

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>>25250427
Parasocial interaction (PSI) refers to a kind of psychological relationship experienced by an audience in their mediated encounters with performers in the mass media, particularly on television and on online platforms.[1][2][3][4] Viewers or listeners come to consider media personalities as friends, despite having no or limited interactions with them. PSI is described as an illusionary experience, such that media audiences interact with personas (e.g., talk show hosts, celebrities, fictional characters, social media influencers) as if they are engaged in a reciprocal relationship with them. The term was coined by Donald Horton and Richard Wohl in 1956.[5]
A parasocial interaction, an exposure that garners interest in a persona,[6] becomes a parasocial relationship after repeated exposure to the media persona causes the media user to develop illusions of intimacy, friendship, and identification.[5] Positive information learned about the media persona results in increased attraction, and the relationship progresses.[6] Parasocial relationships are enhanced due to trust and self-disclosure provided by the media persona.[5] Media users are loyal and feel directly connected to the persona, much as they are connected to their close friends, by observing and interpreting their appearance, gestures, voice, conversation, and conduct.[6] Media personas have a significant amount of influence over media users, positive or negative, informing the way that they perceive certain topics or even their purchasing habits. Studies involving longitudinal effects of parasocial interactions on children are still relatively new, according to developmental psychologist Sandra L. Calvert.[7]

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>>25250427
Its where you imagine you're friends with someone in the media

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>>25250537
Social media introduces additional opportunities for parasocial relationships to intensify because it provides more opportunities for intimate, reciprocal, and frequent interactions between the user and persona.[5][8] These virtual interactions may involve commenting, following, liking, or direct messaging. The consistency in which the persona appears could also lead to a more intimate perception in the eyes of the user.

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>>25250354
>fanbase
ah yeah, this i can agree with (strongly the JP side) they are extremely devoted to her, but i don't think its a bad thing unless it actually is negatively influencing their life decisions, i havent seen much so i dont know if there are any examples of bad apples in her fanbase but it is apparent how devoted they are to her

though i haven't heard of the botan thing, what happened?

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>>25250427
it's the kind of relationship an entertainer has with their audience, one where there's an inherent imbalance where an audience member is very invested and knows a lot about the entertainer, but the entertainer doesn't even know they exist

don't be fooled, someone might try to trick you into thinking "parasocial" inherently means "schizo who has literal delusions about being personal friends with someone they have never met" but that's not in fact what it means

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>>25245755
I swear to god, all these girls have to do is act cute and play video games. Why is that so hard? How does that translate to morally lecturing your audience on twitter? Expectations are so low. Vtubers can just go fuck around in minecraft for 5 hours and people will watch. Why are these whores so hellbent on getting involved in every little squabble on the internet? It's extra work and nobody wants it. Just shut the fuck up and stream.

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>>25250427
A parasocial interaction is an illusion of having social interaction despite not having a social interaction.
As an example, kids have parasocial interactions with Dora the Explorer. That's the entire point of the show.
Also, watching two people in a fictional TV show talk to each other is also a most of the time a parasocial interaction for the viewer.

The moment streamers discovered the term, it started to live a life of it's own because it was so easy to weaponize.
But they are so omnipresent in our world that you're just kind of delusional if you think that you've never been parasocial.
If you liked Sponge Bob as a kid, you have a parasocial relationship with Sponge Bob.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't the definition of parasocial literally that it negatively affects your social life?
What's wrong with what you think of chuubas as long as it doesn't affect your real life?

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>>25250303
the streamer definition:
not parasocial:
>giving them money
>giving them LOTS of money
>obsessing over every detail of their life
>nonstop praise over everything they do
parasocial:
>criticism

[Anonymous No.]

> was just trying to make a joke about how words tend to lose their meaning when spammed in every single sentence of a paragraph
t-thanks guys

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>>25250427
To summarize the wikipedia cut and paste with an Aesop fable, familiarity breeds contempt

If you consider a media personality anything other than a complete stranger you've already gone parasocial. The line between "I like X" and "I feel like I know X" is incredibly blurry the longer you watch someone

this phenomenon reportedly causes severe trauma in drone operators who later have to kill their observation target

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>>25250849
western women, there is no professionalism

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>>25249658
Reddit always despised parasocial relationships, though you'd get some people who says it's the "you reap what you sow" kind of thing with the audience catering.

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>>25250908
>>25250933
/vt/ is making sense on a Tuesday at 2am. Who are you people!? I like you bastards more than burger/sea hour idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25250849
Finana’s viewership and SC income keeps dropping every month. She needs to stay relevant somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25250914
> spoiler
Jesus I didn't know that was a thing...

[Anonymous No.]

kizuna ai needs to come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25250869
You misunderstand, the finana is saying parasocial is how it affects HER life. She doesn't give a shit about you.

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>>25250303
Thing is, it's not parasocial at all, it's just a social relationship with a power dynamic. The streamer has the most influence over the relationship and can decide who among the viewers they care to interact with, like a teacher choosing between raised hands.

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>>25250849
I mean... there's definitely some westernfags that like this whole vibe of lecturing some imaginary boogeyman to make themselves feel better...
If anything I'm glad that it's NijiEN who does it so that these types of people can stay the fuck away from my comfy holobubble.

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>>25250908
Best Post ITT
>>25250933
Hololive EN and Nijisanji EN were a mistake. God I feel bad for both companies Jp branches

[Anonymous No.]

so is Niji shooting itself in the foot from now on just to side with twittertards?

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>>25251006
It's a holiday here in Burgerland, so there's a different crew here.

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>>25251131
nijien doing management, no such thing exists

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>>25251131
They ARE twittertards.

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>>25245755
The westoid shows her true form

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>>25251131
Eh, nothing will happen and life will be go on like usual.

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>>25250849
Have you been under a rock faggot? Do you know what she's even referencing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251038
A power dynamic creates parasocial interactions, anon. With a streamer, the power dynamic is just very lopsided. Thus there are more parasocial interactions.

[Anonymous No.]

kek, when you realize the ones who joined the REAL Corpos are fakes™

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251131
nothing will happen and nijihaters will seethe, the usual

[Anonymous No.]

There is only one healthy parasocial relationship, the one where viewers masturbate to their chuuba and the chuuba masturbates to SCs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245755
>Is this true?
100%
Without the parasocial stuff these whores are boring and ugly as fuck. Literally no value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251021
Taking a life from behind a screen is still taking a life, with all of the baggage that may or may not come with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251364
nah get on my levels senpai, discord call fappening

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251022
>there will never be a vtuber that does it like kizunai ai does it

[Anonymous No.]

This entire fucking thread belongs on reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251287
Parasocial refers to something like a movie star and their fans. The fans care a great deal about the actor, but the actor has no connection with them whatsover. He doesn't have their phone number or a chatroom where he can interact with them and ask for a favor or anything to make use of his influence over them. It's an entirely one-way relationship.

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>>25251386
nah I thought that the killing would be done by the professionals and not the observers themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251595
I refuse to even use whatever buzzword these mindless, quarter witted, shit eaters use these days.

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>>25251022
>no superchats or memberships
>no 5 hour streams filled with dead air
>didn’t have to hear about someone’s boring life or their problems
Take me back I miss it….. it was so simple and nice. I wonder if Mito regrets making live streaming popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246068
Here comes the retarded normalfag, telling us how things "should" be when we're just talking about how things really are.

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>>25251603
Streamers skirt the line between parasocial and social interactions.
There are both social and parasocial interactions in a stream.

Do note that parasociality has existed far before mass media. It's just that mass media allowed us to isolate the effect, get interested in the effect and study it.

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>>25250427
Hanging out with /vt/ ang being concerned about /vt/ is already parasocial. Basically it's a one-way relationship without the other party reciprocating your emotions.

[Anonymous No.]

Since when did people think vtubers were parasocial bait? Gura got like 3 mil with no GFE at all and passed every vtuber there was.

The only vtubers that did the whole gfe thing was JP girls who’d call some if their chat, boyfriends or husbands. But mainly everyone took it as a joke.

Idk what changed but even if Vox makes parasocial content literally labelled boyfriend experience… you’re on the internet… wake up! Why do you think being in a chat gives you a chance to get laid or date someone?

You’re just a stranger behind a screen… if you want to date or have sex with someone go outside…

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>>25251595
>>25251748
This is the reddit board you stupid faggots

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>>25246207
The word parasocial is rapidly losing its meaning in the public space. Soon it will simply mean "bad" or "thing that incel weebs do" to most people. (Incidentally, "incel" has similarly lost all of its original meaning.)

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>>25251987
gura has members asmr stream you dimwit

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>>25251987
Gura got that number off the backs of all the hardworking jp members that came before her. Since then she has squandered it and only puts effort in her membership streams which is peak greed

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>>25245755
Yeah without it I would literally just read light novels and manga instead of watching streams

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>>25251987
Being pedobait is disgustingly parasocial though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251764
you can still watch anime, you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252025
That's fine it'll just be another filter word that automatically negates any opinion of the person using it

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>>25252053
But her audience isn’t her members unless you’re telling me she has 3.9m members smart guy. Go watch a Gura stream and see who’s in her chat, not a line of members.

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>>25246068
There's parasocial relationships beyond BFE/GFE, arguably those are also much worse

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>>25250869
>Isn't the definition of parasocial literally that it negatively affects your social life?
No. That image comes from the extremes of parasocial relationships.
A lot of the time parasocial interactions are used these days to teach kids to talk. Let's not confuse parasocial with parasocial interactions and parasocial relationships. These are different things. A parasocial relationship is a one-sided relationhsip. A parasocial interaction is a one-sided social interaction. Listening to someone talk who doesn't know who you are is a form of parasocial interaction.

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>>25246439
just curious about what kind of nature Charlie has with his viewers

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>>25251904
No, you can't have both types. It's either one or the other. Either a social connection exists and can be utilized, or it doesn't. Suddenly ignoring someone doesn't put the social connection back into Pandora's box, it's just ignoring them by choice.

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>>25251987
Parasocial does not only mean gfe-bait.

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>>25252148
>Gura got like 3 mil with no GFE at all
Did you just fucking read your own post before posting and expecting not to get called out from your bullshit that came out from your ass? And those 4 million subs are dead subs, literally nothing in her vods even reach a million

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>>25251904
Yes except chuubas don't skirt the line many rely and actively ask for fan made content for use in their streams and have heavy interaction on discord channels chuubas actively engage with their fans frequently to the point that the only aspect that's one sided is demented romantical notions....in most cases

[Anonymous No.]

What is the appeal of watching these women livestream? I don’t get it to be honest. I’ve viewed a few streams and they’re all just so fucking boring, or play the most boring games imaginable.

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>>25252312
What did you expect anon? you're in a containment board for the mentally ill.

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>>25252189
Early Charlie actively used his fanbase and channel as a coping mechanism and he even talked/vented about this in his early videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252344
I was just curious and wanted to see what it was like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252265
Damn you mad? Reread what I said again lol, I said she reached the top without doing GFE. Idc what she’s doing after

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252449
>without doing GFE
you're the retard here

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252449
>I said she reached the top without doing GFE
He doesn't know...

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>>25245755
Objectively true, streaming would not be a viable source of income for many people if it were not the case. There's a reason even large and experienced producers of traditional media can struggle to generate revenue, whereas even a small indie streamer can make a good living, streaming hits something traditional media doesn't. I'm not even in the camp that thinks parasociality is inherently bad (after all, parasocial relationships don't just exist in live media), but it is pretty hypocritical for feesh to shit on highly parasocial viewers like this. They should encourage people to enjoy responsibly, especially if they really lean into parasocial baiting like Vox does.

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>>25252183
And if neither of you knows who the other is, are you both parasocial? You're describing a perfectly natural social interaction with two participants as parasocial over some intimacy quibble.

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>>25252578
Are you nitpicking my choice of words because you want to make a coherent point, or because you don't like what I'm saying?

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>>25245755
I'm sure Elira will be very pleased with Finana tweeting this retardation after she's spent the past year cultivating a parasocial fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that react to content is the most buff shit there is on twitch already tells you that your average “normie” is just as parasocial as the GFE schizos. At least getting and maintaining a GF or BF is harder than finding a friend to share stuff with.

[Anonymous No.]

This whole incident with Vox was blown way out of proportion to a disturbing level. This shouldn't have even been acknowledged or commented on to begin with. The moment you open your mouth to talk about it is when you give something form and it becomes something more. At the end of the day though these people are not professionals and have no business etiquette so what can you even expect? Modern vtubing was a mistake. For all intensive purposes most may as well be streaming as their rm. There's no emphasis on kayfabe anymore nor just entertainment in general. You're just watching these people live their lives which they don't even bother to hide most of the time. Watching them stream for HOURS. I think these modern vtubers have forgotten what the fuck they even are. What is even separating them from normal streamers at this point?

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>>25252213
You definitely can have both parasocial and social interactions in one stream. You can have a social interaction followed by a one-sided interaction. In fact, this is the norm.

>>25252304
This is a fucking silly point. Parasociality isn't binary. And if it was, it's a bit silly to draw the line at the point where you have the extreme delusions. Parasociality doesn't necessitate extreme delusions. Parasociality leads to extreme delusions.

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>>25245755
Like telling brewers that alcoholics are how they earn money. No fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I think everyone’s definition of parasocial is different. But to think Vox is your boyfriend because of his content or a streamer is your friend because they talk to you is a bit unethical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252741
Brewers don't usually go on tirades about how alcoholics are a menace to society and should kys.

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>>25252702
replace modern with western and you might have an argument

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>>25252648
I'm making the point that you seem to be declaring every social interaction as parasocial based entirely on the vaguest inequality of intimate knowledge regarding one another, which is not what parasocial means. Parasocial means there is only one participant, as in the other is not even present to engage in any sort of interaction.

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>>25252702
A new good one with proper kayfabe just popped up recently and became the fastest vtuber ever to hit 600k subs. The demand is there.

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>>25252654
Do you not realize that truly parasocial people wouldn't care? They don't really have self awareness, and short of elira doing a vox and personally calling them out, they won't realize how deep they are. In fact, vox might still keep a big part of the very paypigs he directly shit on, since they're still in love.

Watch that recent video about 39daph's wierdo dono, there's a part where they point out that daph personally shits on parasocial viewers all the time and she still ended up with not one, but two mid-30s men who didn't realize they were the very people she hated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25250427
finana sucking my cock like a parasite

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>>25245755
that sound like the retards that post here, OP is that you right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252917
Like you watch JPs.

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>>25253128
This, parasocial people aren't self aware. All the criticism will go straight above their heads. Vox is highly unlikely going to be affected by this at all, but rather Reimu would possibly be stalked by the fujos until the ends of the earth.

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>>25252720
Fuck off retard you are not the purveyor of the pesudo line in the sand for the cut off on when something does and does not become delusionatory simple because you're too autistic

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>>25252720
If you're ignoring or excluding someone, or having them passively listen, you're still interacting with them. Parasocial doesn't exist anymore once you've forged a social connection, after that you're just choosing to treat them a certain way.

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>>25252951
>seem to be declaring every social interaction as parasocial based entirely on the vaguest inequality of intimate knowledge regarding one another
I am using colloquialisms to describe a scenario where the interaction is one-sided. Hope that clarified. When you're LISTENING to someone who doesn't even know who you are, usually this means that the interaction is pretty one-sided, no? Barring any other interactions, of course.

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> I swear to god, all these girls have to do is act cute and play video games. Why is that so hard? How does that translate to morally lecturing your audience on twitter? >Expectations are so low. Vtubers can just go fuck around in minecraft for 5 hours and people will watch. >Why are these whores so hellbent on getting involved in every little squabble on the internet? It's extra work and nobody wants it. Just shut the fuck up and stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246068
I really dont get the argument of wanting vtubers to stay boring. VTubers have so many unique advantages to them but you want it to be an alternative to face cam. Its a giant insult to call vtubers a subgenre of streaming, when its bigger than that. Its better than that. It is a MEDIUM and people have yet realized its full potential.

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>>25253232
Only one of us tried to draw a line on the sand, and it was you. I just said that that line is not easy to define and your line is in a retarded place.

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>>25253128
Yeah, parasocials would likely assume she's talking about those "other people" causing problems (which in this case she probably is, but a lot of the random people taking notice of this tweet don't know the context)

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253247
>Parasocial doesn't exist anymore once you've forged a social connection
Wrong, my friend. Having a social interaction doesn't mean that you are incapable of becoming parasocial afterwards. It's pretty patently obvious, too.

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>>25252702
I agree, he first addressed the problem in whole fucking 10 minutes of his Minecraft stream, that was already excessive. It should have been only 4 phrases and that's all, but Vox is a sperg who went on:
The said 10 minutes
a bunch of tweets about the issue
A whole ass apology video of almost a hour (worse, encouraging people to continue "criticizing him further for any wrong doings")
He's throwing fuel to the flame by trying to make amends, the soonest he learns to just ignore twitterina behavior will be better. There's no pleasing everyone, specially when most of your fanbase is women

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>>25253495
Your ex is just your ex, it's not parasocial no matter how much you want to pretend it never happened and that you have no connection with that person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/r9k/
go back parasocialtards

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253628
Are you saying that my ex following me and spying on my every move without my knowledge wouldn't make the relationship turn parasocial?

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>>25245755
>Constantly talks about her vagoo to lure in hordes of incels
>"wtf why is my fanbase so shitty HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEEE"
get fucked fish

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253715
It's a bad relationship that you're trying to escape, but it is not parasocial. Parasocial does not mean any relationship that you don't want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253747
> get fucked
she's actually inclining schizobronie

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253747
her fanbase didn't even do anything (yet), this was about Vox's fanbase that got out of control

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252702
>For all intensive purposes
It's a doggy dog world man

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>>25253784
Only because she's been leeching like nobody ever leeched before. She's lucky to hit 500 viewers on her own merits without collabs

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>>25253763
Sure, sure, her being an ex might be more difficult to iron out as a concept. But in my view, if she is getting social U&G out of the spying while you have no knowledge, it is a parasocial relationship. That being said, sending a few chat messages and making a piece of art is hardly comparable, no?

[Anonymous No.]

2 things /vt/ doesn't understand the definition of: but likes to throw around: parasocial relationships and black companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253747
>fish is useless whore that caters to paypigs
>whines and cries about paypigs being her fanbase
Is she retarded? If she hates vtubing so much why doesn't she just quit and get an actual job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253713
loneliness is not necessarily correlated with parasocial behavior [1]

[1] RUBIN, A.M., PERSE, E.M. and POWELL, R.A. (1985), LONELINESS, PARASOCIAL INTERACTION, AND LOCAL TELEVISION NEWS VIEWING. Human Communication Research, 12: 155-180. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1468-2958.1985.tb00071.x

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>>25253991
You really think she's capable of doing anything else? She can't even get fucked properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253991
She likes the money but hates being held to standards by the people giving her that money.

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>>25254106
Western woman in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254068
>>25254106
I see. So she really is useless and she's just getting preachy over paypigs she'll continue to cater to for views and money.

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>>25253991
>streamers
>getting an actual job
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252189
There are some girls who are crazy for him. There was a girl who gave him at least $2000 in gift subs :}

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>>25253903
Nah, the spying is part of your relationship, which was not a parasocial one. She decided to do it based on your interactions with her.
What people complain about is not parasocial, but rather unequal reciprocation. You think of someone as an acquaintance and they think of you as a friend, that sort of thing. It's a social relationship, but the two participants have different views and expectations about it.

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>>25253991
she's a western woman, at least on Japan , kids have moral lessons, they're taught to be humble.
Modern Western societies are the perfect enviroment to create superficial and narcissist women.
Social media with infinite validation, radical feminism that made them eternal victims and destroyed any accountability on their actions. laws they can easily abuse. Dating apps with infinite options of men. the amount of simps who will literally die for female attention.
unironically the biggest threat women have are trannies invading every 'safe space' and hobbies they have

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246374
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254517
didn't read + touch grass + have sex + you're a incel

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254545
Go outside fish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254545
>touch grass + have sex + you're a incel
This actually applies to Finana and Elira when think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25248151
I love this pic, it’s so off base it reminds me of when leftists steal memes from righties and make them worse

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>>25252815
>Boyfriend/Girlfriend roleplay
>Intimate ASMR streams
>'Other guys don't treat you right only watch me'
>Personalised voicepacks
>'I love you chat'
>PARASOCIAL FUCKS HOW DARE YOU BECOME ATTACHED TO ME FUCKING LOSER

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252858
>Brewers don't usually go on tirades about how alcoholics are a menace to society and should kys.
Depends on how you look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254545
complaining about wizards on 4chan is like complaining about rain in Washington state
if you don't like it why the fuck are you here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254795
>PR stunts
haha this is totally different from fish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254871
>haha this is totally different from fish.
It is different but still conceptually similar. I'm sure you get my point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254734
>NijiEN are drugdealers telling people "drug bad" but continue to sell it anyways all while complaining about the crack addicts that buy their stuff
I'm convinced everyone in NijiEN is genuinely mentally ill and just wants to rewarded with attention and money for being useless to human society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254795
"Drink responsibly" and "if you drink our product you are a mentally ill faggot" are different things no matter how I look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25248567
Sounds like a fun stream, can I get a title or link?

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>>25254454
I find that a parasocial relationship is just an extreme version of unequal reciprocation. That's why the focus on the other party not knowing about the other party.
Let's go further into the weeds. If you don't think about your ex and they keep replaying conversations you've had for U&G purposes, I'd say that that's a parasocial relationship, or the whole term becomes meaningless. It's not the typical version of parasocial relationship, but it has every single hallmark of one. Now, someone might very reasonably disagree with the U&G framework itself, but I see that as being out of the scope of this conversation. Replace it with another applicable framework if that's the case.

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>>25246068
Sorry but a fanboy is just another flavor of parasocial attachment and has always been around, a fanboy can be just as parasocial and toxic as a diehard unicorn
Even if you say, fuck all fanboys and unicorns, most fanboys and unicorns will agree, because they don’t realize they are included in that statement

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>>25245755
Parasocial relationships are literally why streamers exist and succeed.
Before vtuber, there are Twitch whore, youtuber whore, pornhub whore, instagram whore.

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>>25248236

Does that make Bob Ross the original ASMR gachi?

He always filmed imagining that he was talking to just one student, and people could buy his art supplies to support him monetarily

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254953
Isn't that the entire goal of vtubing?

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>>25245755
But thats how you pay for those 800$ shoes, Finana you silly feesh

[Anonymous No.]

>>25251006
Its sea hour...

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>>25252815
streamers just need to establish their boundaries and intentions early, and reiterate them regularly for the sake of newcomers. if a widespread clash of views between streamer and audience is left to fester unspoken for too long it explodes
if a streamer says from debut “I plan to do this kind of “intimate” content, but keep in mind I’m not your bf/gf and you should not treat me as such” then the minority of insane schizos in their audience won’t have as much ammo to work with. would they still be a hypocrite? fuckin idk probably but at least it would seem less like they’re changing their mind on the fly to what suits them.

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>>25255145
Basically. But it's just funny that NijiEN are literally telling people they groomed into liking them to "fuck off" like it's some kind of accomplishment and they just go right back to their parasocial farming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25253136
nah, that's parasexual

[Anonymous No.]

Its the gun's fault we must ban gun, no not the shooter fault.
This is why western people are hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246280
>>25246570
it doesn't have to be a live stream, it can be a pre-recorded video where the person can express friendship and people would still feel a parasocial interaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255287
Niji EN a summary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lum1PGX0JLs

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245836
watching all vtuber drama is fun as hell, the vshojo nux drama, the Calli and haters drama and now this Its what keeps drawing me back

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255313
Prerecorded videos can be strictly entertainment. Streams can not unless there is some discipline when it comes to the stream lengths. Nobody is going to watch a streamer rant about random shit for hours on end without it being a loneliness alleviation mechanism.

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>>25254545

[Anonymous No.]

I thought it got popular in 2020 because the algorithm got Korone and Corona mixed up

[Anonymous No.]

>L + Raitio + ur cringe
Sorry but I have no fucking clue what this means

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245755
Feesh is just jealous that she won't ever get a fraction of what Vox is making.
She would never make such a tweet if she happened to be the top superchatter women are so obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252189
Same as Aris', it's about talking shit about stuff together.
Even though Aris tries to remind people again and again that not only him, but every streamer isn't your friend, in his case pre-covid it was "worse" because you would see him at FGC events and he's a pretty friendly person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254340
>>25252355
I see. I've never watched any of his streams, and from his early youtube videos he seemed like a dude who just did whatever. I have to think he did actually write his recorded skits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255535
I thought it was because the fox was scatmaning and some of the JP girls saying nigga while playing GTA.
The JPchuubas are really fun but the EN ones feel like watching self-centered Twitch streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

Based on the complete lack of understanding that laymen have on the term, the thing I wish more people would understand is that if a movie character or video game character dies and you're sad about it more than losing a piece in chess, that undoubtedly and unmistakably a parasocial interaction. The difference is that you're being parasocial towards a fictional character and not a real person. Being parasocial is a common part of the human experience these days. It's never been exclusive to some weirdos online who are a bit too familiar with a streamer. If you can get invested in the characters in a story, you are being parasocial.

Don't let people weaponize the term needlessly. Liking an NPC in Mass Effect or a similar RPG is a parasocial experience. Feeling sad or happy for a fictional character is a parasocial experience. We don't call people weirdos for getting invested, quite the opposite. All that is really needed is the understanding that a streamer doesn't know who the hell you are.

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>>25255621
>you would see him at FGC events and he's a pretty friendly person.
Man, as much as a person can appreciate their fans, its probably so awkward to meet someone who knows so much stuff about you while you don't even know their name and they act towards you like their friend.

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>>25255575
Don't worry. I'm translator, I can translate it to English. In this sentence Finana admits that she's retarded.

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>>25255683
Its going to lose its meaning and be used as an insult just like every other internet buzzword.

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>>25255683
The term parasocial has already been diluted and redefined courtesy of anti-intellectualism. See also; 'Literally'

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>>25251764
>I wonder if Mito regrets making live streaming popular
people keep saying this like she was the only chuuba streaming at the time. hell she wasn't even the first to do live streams

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>>25255575
Don't bother to try and understand twittard, anon. It's not a language spoken by mentally stable humans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255575
New zoomer lingo. They are the most retarded generation humanity has ever produced, yes even worse than millennials.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25248757
Weird flex, go fuck yourself

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>>25245755
Do you even need to ask? would you supa 100 USD to a chuuba that treats you like a mere ATM and flirts/fucks on stream? there's chaturbate for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>went to watch a random stream once
>they were playing a game I like
>still haven't started the game in about 20 minutes
>tell her to start already
>got attacked by her fans and was told to not rush her
>only played for an hour
Was I the one at fault here? I just want entertainment. Not the stupid parasocial shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255575
Terminally online disease. If ever brought into real life conversation, discontinue contact immediately
Also >>25255740

[Anonymous No.]

>>25254970

people in this thread are now legit convincing themselves that the only way you can enjoy vtubers is by being a parasocial schizo just to prove finana wrong, hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

She's just mad Luxiem stole the show

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245755
Perhaps the same could be said of ALL streamers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255841
So no one else knows either? Fair enough

[Anonymous No.]

i just love war, why don't you anon punch each other in the dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255575
>L
You lost
>Ratio
More people disagree with you than agree
>Ur cringe
You make people feel embarrassed and uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255683
>Liking an NPC in Mass Effect
you just reminded me of the shit ending of that game and that ill never be with Garrus again

>insert gosling.jpg

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>>25255915
L = loss. 'Hold this L' as if to answer with 'you lose'
Ratio = I'm not on twitter so this could be wrong but it's to do with number of comments vs retweets. Often when an unpopular opinion is presented.
Cringe = needs no explanation

[Anonymous No.]

>this is the average whore that calls you parasocial schizo
There is a mental condition called sociopathy, they should look it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245755
>NijiEN doing career suicide
You love to see it

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>>25256143
Keep saying it and maybe it will come true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25247942
Vox saves nijien. I'm pretty sure they actually hate him and this is the time

[Anonymous No.]

They're not girlfriend substitutes, they're not entertaining, what really is the point of a vtuber? To bait for donations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255974
>>25256065
So this is all twitter lingo then? Who the hell comes up with this shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25256084
Is Vox that popular why every indiefag talking about him

[Anonymous No.]

>>25256215
Entertainment is subjective. If you dont like them find another hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25255902
Your words are as empty as your wallet! Streamers ill need a fan such as you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245755
Coed offcollabs were a fucking mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25256215
Would-be camgirls realized they don't need to waste their time with filters and make-up, they can just put on an anime avatar and weebs will roll out the red carpet for them while they do all the usual titty streamer bullshit people have been complaining about for years.

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>>25256084
To be honest, if you think about it, these streamers aren't streaming just because they want to share something with the world: example being music artists and DJs who stream for that reason.
They are streaming because they want to build their life upon the donation of others, Its sort of like begging but without the looking like a hobo and making eye contact with the person you're asking money for.
It does take a certain type of character/personality that is a on the shamelss side and likes to be just handed money while doing minimum effort. So she isn't really that surprising when you consider the 'profession' she chose for herself.
Sorry for bad English.

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>>25255843
There are plenty of ways, e.g. Salome will have very few schizos if she will continue with similar content because she is funny to watch 100% of the time and her streams are short. Perfect for normal people who just want to sit back and enjoy the comedy. Vsingers can be kinda similar but most of them still include fan baiting content because succeeding without it is incredibly hard and down to luck.
How does that apply to Finana or pretty much any other variety streamer in the EN scene for that matter? I'm sorry but literally nobody watches Fish's streams for entertainment. There are clips of her latest dildo talk for that, you don't have to suffer through the rest of the bullshit to get to the meat. The year she has been streaming amounts to a few hours of that meaningful content at best. The rest is padding that only people who are interested in Finana's personality care about.

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>>25256065
ratio can be two things
>you get more comments/replies than likes
>a tweet replying to you (usually to shit on you) gets more likes than your tweet
but yeah it's pretty much saying that "your tweet/opinion is cringe/unpopular/controversial/fucked up, etc. and now it's time to embarrass you for it"

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>>25245755
Not true. That's what unicorns tell themselves, but the data says that:
Parasocials rule over superchat.
But normies rule over memberships, merch and sponsorships, which makes the chuba like 10 times the money.
And even in superchats, if the chuba is as popular as Vox the whales don't really dominate anything at all. Rushia's biggest whales combined only represented 5% of her superchat revenue.

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>>25256473

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>>25246068
>Kizuna Ai have warped the industry
Kizuna Ai started the industry you ungrateful fuck.

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>>25256473
Those "normies" are parasocial too, if they weren't parasocial their interaction with Finana would be no different than some stranger in the street. If you have watched a clip of Finana and thought "she seems nice", that is a parasocial interaction. If you have spoken in a popular streamer's chat, that is a parasocial interaction. If you are one of the people who quote-tweeted Finana to praise her and tell her to "go off queen" about her shitting on "parasocials", that IS a parasocial interaction. That's exactly why what Finana said is flawed, because she and her fans are simplifying "parasocial" to only mean negative interactions and pretending the positive ones are something else entirely. The nature of celebrities and entertainers and streamers is inherently tied to parasocial interaction with an audience.

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>>25256473
You're not even making sense, if you're parasocial towards a streamer, you're much more emotionally invested in them than a "normie," meaning you're much more likely than them to buy merch, buy memberships, etc., alongside regular superchats. The only thing normies (presumably meaning those who only watch for casual entertainment and have no emotional investment) can contribute to is sponsorships by means of being a viewer, but those who are normies and those who are parasocial are treated equally in this regard because the algorithm treats them all the same.

You mention "whales being only 5% of revenue" but you don't define how many people contribute to this percentage. Presumably you are talking about her top 10 donators. 5% of your income coming from 10 people is pretty significant.

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>>25256473
Nice headcanon, here is some of mine, you are also a parasocial fanboy who are just in denial, buying expensive merch or superchating regularly means you are already a parasocial lost cause, like the rest of us

[Anonymous No.]

>>25256473
>implying unicorns don't buy memberships or shit tons of merch
Holy retard, Batman!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25245755
I never type in chat or donate so watching streams is pretty much the same as watching a tv show for me

[Anonymous No.]

almost every single live stream interaction is parasocial, the only way it isn't if is you are watching a tournament streamed or a pro player in order to learn from them. If that pro player swaps to a casual game and you continue watching its parasocial, simple as. It's low effort content where the only appeal is you pretending they are your friend/gf. Even if you never type and never pay you are spending your time watching subpar content, that 4 hour stream could get turned into a 10 minute highlight video and if you weren't in a parasocial relationship with them you wouldn't miss anything.

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>>25256473
Kek what casual fan actually buys expensive merch and pays for a monthly subscription?
You're delusional if you think normalfags would ever support a creator beyond watching their content.
Schizos are the main revenue stream. That orca rushia gachikoi spent like 40k a year on superchat just on one chuuba alone.
As long as you don't break the delusions, they'll give you their life savings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25246068
Deciding not to do this starts with not being a vtuber to inflate your visual appeal.

[Anonymous No.]

Thank you unicorns, gachis, parasocials, or whatever the next new buzzword used for the same group will be in the future. Thank you for funding my entertainment, I will never stop kneeling

[Anonymous No.]

>>25256875
ENvchuuba scene is basically a bunch of failed Twitch streamers that need anime avatars to bait people into liking them more since they look shiny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25257034
And JP was just failed nico livers. Are you agreeing with me? Because it sounds like it.

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>>25256945
Based and same.

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>>25257112
Dunno, I'm just here because the drama is funny. The ENchuubas are really boring and I only watch a handful of JP ones I like. Most of the ENchuubas just feel like charisma blackholes.

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>>25256473
Not only unicorns are parasocial you retard. Why are you paying for a chuuba's membership, are you her boyfriend or a father to support her financially? Do you as a grown ass man actually need a fucking plushie? Every single person who does this shit gets a kick out of illusionary participation in the streamer's life, most just do it in moderation. But some percent of them will always become deranged enough to be what you would call a stan, a simp, a corn or some other buzzword. You can't have the "normies" without the schizos. Really disingenuous or just low IQ vtubers proceed to thank the more normal ones for support and encourage them while ragging on schizos. The chuubas with more insight acknowledge that it's just the nature of the business and remind the audience not to go pants on head retarded, step back and get help if things get bad mentally. And then some of them double down and try to get as many schizos as possible and milk them dry after us the deluge style.

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>>25249922
Remember that thing Mumei's roommate said about "how she reciprocates (her fans) simping"?
Most of these girls only see their fans as piggie banks.

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>>25256809
A bit judging, but very true.
The real culprit is the fact that people are lonely. People need some social interaction, and streamers provide parasocial interaction as a substitute. And studies do actually indicate that it's a good stepping stone towards actual social interaction. But let's be real, a large portion of people won't use it that way.

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>>25257280
Post some studies

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>>25256707
>5% of your income coming from 10 people is pretty significant.
I said SUPERCHAT income, not revenue as a whole.
But even so, Superchat money in its entirety is not significant at all and this was explained by Deron, a 4view Niji chuba that's was way less popular than Vox or Rushia at the time of her exposition about the topic.

>>25256702
>>25256709
>>25257239
I was talking money and unicorn/gachikoi/whale/parasocials "significance".
Discussing semantics or labels bullshit is a massive waste of time.
I see no difference between buying a Barcelona or Boca Juniors jersey and buying your latest chuba merch. Are you parasocial towards Miyamoto when you buy a Mario amiibo?
It shouldn't be too hard to understand why normies spend money on chubas.

>>25256852
>Who spends money
The target audience?
>Orca
I got the available info on Orca, and other Rushia whales and found that they amounted to nothing compared to what 99,99% of her fans did. This will always be the case with big 5view chubas. The only case where whales dominate is in the forever insignificant 2view scene.

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>>25252702
>For all intensive purposes

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>>25257331
My springer access is being a jerk so I can't find the ones I'm thinking about, but here's that discusses rehabilitation through PSI with multiple kinds of problems
>Suhas, S., Nayok, S.B. & Chaturvedi, S.K. Parasocial Interactions, Intolerance to Uncertainty and Mental Health Rehabilitation During Pandemics. J. Psychosoc. Rehabil. Ment. Health 8, 1–4 (2021).

And here's one that talks about some benefits of PSI could provide
>Schramm, H., & Wirth, W. (2010). Testing a universal tool for measuring parasocial interactions across different situations and media: Findings from three studies. Journal of Media Psychology: Theories, Methods, and Applications, 22(1), 26–36.

Also, for some reason this is being treated as spam, I'll try to remove links

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>>25257633
>Are you parasocial towards Miyamoto when you buy a Mario amiibo?
You are towards the brand and there are entire departments of people getting paid to make it so. Welcome to the world of mass entertainment and other horrors beyond your comprehension.

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>>25251987
Because of meme and luck, literally the same as Salome its rare

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>>25257633
People are very parasocial towards Miyamoto, he's the "face" of Mario. It's why everybody loves him so much, because they personally hold him in higher regard than some nameless programmer who actually wrote the code for Super Mario Bros because they can see and "interact" with him. Nintendo themselves recognize that and that's why they kept wheeling him out to places like E3 or Nintendo Directs, because people have positive parasocial interactions with a man they don't really know and have never met. Normalfags are fans of things all the time, being a fan of something isn't some niche concept restricted only for the most obsessive people, it happens all the time and is built around the concept of a parasocial interaction with someone. It becomes harder to avoid that interaction when the brand they're selling is so closely tied to that particular person too, it'd be entirely possible for you to love playing Mario games and think Miyamoto is a fucking asshole or not really think about Miyamoto at all, the same can't be said about Finana Ryugu who's only offering is playing games but her face is there and so on, everything she does is her brand. I find it hard to believe someone would be invested enough into Finana's stream to give her money and not feel or think anything about her in the slightest but at the same time you don't need to be obsessive to do that either, which leads right back to where we started; Finana is using the term "parasocial" wrong by using it in the place of only negative people because it also refers to positives too. Even Eminem got the difference correct in that the positive interactions are fans and the negative interactions are "stans". If you don't want to discuss semantics, stop using words wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

What sparked this shitfest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25257934
Women

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>>25257633
>Discussing semantics or labels bullshit is a massive waste of time.
I don't think that's true in this specific case. If people recognized that being parasocial is quite "normal" and a part of human life, they might be less judgemental, and even recognize that they themselves commonly have parasocial interactions. Just having a more coherent understanding of the subject might in fact reduce problematic parasocial relationships.

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>>25258096
>>25258096
Finana is safe. Because people understands what she tries to say and don't give two shits about specific semantics

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>>25258522 me
forgot to quote >>25257917 too

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>>25258522
"People" being you in particular. I get that she means schizos and I still think she is fucking wrong because attracting schizos is a direct consequence of NijiEN's business model. She just wants all the perks with none of the downsides and manages to be preachy about it.

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>>25258522
The fact that people understand what she is a certain way indicates a massive issue though. That's why there is a need for a discussion related to semantics. And that discussion is valuable, because the subject is something that almost every non-sociopathic person experiences in the modern world.

It just enforces this image that other people are the ones with the parasocial interactions and relationships, when in fact, it's basically all of us that have parasocial interactions these days. In other words, the semantic discontinuity stops some people from understanding that they, too, are the problem. It also makes completely normal people feel guilty even though they would never be a problem. The semantic discontinuity also deludes some people into thinking that they aren't harming themselves by their behavior which the streamer might approve of.

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>>25258856
The problem with retards is not a problem of education. It's just pure brainrot woven into how numbers works with statistics:
Take 5% of the biggest deranged weirdos of any given population.
That population was 1000 big, so now you have 50 retards.
How many of those 50 are specially extreme cases that would stab you for getting distracted on an ASMR date? 2 or 3? That's not too many, so the problem they case could be addressed and even solved.
Now what happens when the initial population is 30k big or 100k big. At that point the problem is just a natural phenomenon, and education is a total waste of energy.

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>>25258522
Remember ZilianOP?

https://www.eurogamer.net/wheelchair-bound-gamer-banned-from-twitch-tv-after-accusations-he-faked-disability

People were fucking furious when he stood up from his wheelchair. There was a lot of talk of hunting him down and breaking his actual legs. They felt betrayed. Imagine telling those people who donated money to him, "Why? You just donated money for entertainment. You're being too obsessed. You're not his real friend or anything, who cares if he lied about being handicapped."
People had their parasocial attachment to the streamer heavily damaged and lashed out. The only difference is that normalfags can empathize with getting cheated by someone pretending to be disabled but not someone pretending to be lonely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25259266
People will find shocking ways to be stupid, that's true. But the thing is that even intelligent people also find ways to be colossally stupid given the wrong framework of thinking. Some people can't be saved, but do you think you know how many?
Some people will have shit hygiene despite knowing about pathogens. Should we disregard spreading knowledge of pathogens just because some people will get them regardless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25256945
"successful chuubas" are not on a scale where donations are keeping them off the street.
This shit is only true for small streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25259301
That guy didn't actually fake his disability, he just didn't tell people he recovered enough to stand up. Look it up.