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has watching vchuubaas helped with your mental health?

>> No.23095402

>>23095295
Worsened

>> No.23095465

>>23095295
I want to hang out with friends less. I guess most people would consider that worse.

>> No.23095550

yes, there are many menhera and disgusting whores but if you focus on the cute and wholesome ones, they can unironically help you forget about the problems of the world and remind you that good people exist

>> No.23095659

>>23095295
I guess they help as a coping mechanism. But I need to abandon them all ASAP

>> No.23095709

>Pre chuubas
Antisocial retard, spent my days watching garbage anime alone in my parents basement
>post chuubas
Antisocial retard, spend my days watching streamers pretend to be anime girls alone in my parents garage (we moved house)

>> No.23095711

>>23095295
Unironically made it worse.

>> No.23095725

ive never been inspired like my oshi inspired me. my life is universally better and i have pursued things that make me happy far more than ever before

>> No.23095867

>>23095295
Started as a subconcious coping mechanism, ended in a spiral of introspection realizing what a boring human I am. Good thing is it motivated me to start doing my reps.

>> No.23095998

I unfucked my sleep schedule for haachama last year. Though it didnt last and it got fucked up again like 3 months ago.

>> No.23096176

Fauna is trash btw.

>> No.23096233

>>23095295
No, it made it much worse, and your pic is actually one of the reasons
I used to cope with being alone by telling myself there would never be a cute girly girl with similar hobbies than mine and a soothing voice, then I met Fauna
I wish Fauna didn't exist, this woman is way too perfect, she shouldn't be allowed to exist, if there is a god why did he allow her to exist?

>> No.23096245

>>23095295
the combination of jealousy over the fact they were still able to have good relationships with others (even mixed gender) despite being relative weirdos and the fear of falling into the vtuber parasocial hole and never being able to get out was a far better motivator for me to go out and try to make friends than pretty much anything I've encountered in the past 7 years or so

>> No.23096335

>>23096176
why

>> No.23096452

Watching vtubers has neither improved nor worsened my mental state. It probably helps that I see vtubers as purely a form of entertainment and not a substitute for friends or relationships or anything like that.

>> No.23096455

>>23096335
Boring streams, mediocre ASMR, genuinely uninteresting, also white weeb cringe.

>> No.23097376

>>23096455
I watched her Skyrim streams a few days ago, she's genuinely funny and her voice is pure sex
don't know about the rest but you sound like a faggot

>> No.23097741

>>23095295
No, it made it much worse, I used to cope with not having a gf telling myself all women were whores who wouldn't even like the same stuff that I do, but after I started watching vtubers I realized some women CAN be nice and they CAN like the things I do.
Now I'm even more depressed and mentally ill than I've ever been, doesn't help that people like Fauna do ASMR that make me experience something I'll never have even if for a short while.

>> No.23097888

>>23095295
Fauna made me a regular at my local gym

>> No.23097908

>>23095295
Kinda the opposite in a way. Watching them created a huge envy/jealousy in me at seeing people who aren't traditional normalfags still manage to find good friends and interact with the opposite gender regularly in a informal way, meanwhile I have no friends, and I've never been more than acquaintances with the opposite gender.

It was enough to give me the drive I needed to touch (more) grass and try to find friends of my own in both genders. So far it's a very slow process, but I've managed to get on with some people, exercise my long since dormant non-professional social skills, and feel just a little bit prouder of myself for going out of my comfort zone a few times and generally being able to find at least one person I gel with. So in a way, I'm grateful to vtubers.

>> No.23098011

>>23095295
Not particularly. Coming to this board has certainly worsened it though

>> No.23098223

>>23095295
No. It made me even more mentally ill and reclusive.

>> No.23098609

Yes, watching streams brought me a lot of joy when nothing else did. I managed to get out of my head and find a job so I could join members and now I'm doing much better with enough money to persue other hobbies as well

>> No.23098872

>>23097888
based and checked

>> No.23100901

>>23095295
Ever since i met my oshi i started getting the confidence of going out there talking to people, make new friends and finally land a well-paying job, I try my best to give some of my salary to her as tribute for keeping me happy on dire times, I play her streams and my day gets brighter every day. I might even try finding a wife and finally give my farewell to her soon, Even after all these times. Because all things even good ones must come to an end. Anyway, tldr- Yes, because of her i became a decent human being and is now finally getting out of her nest, thank you for coming to my ted talk.

>> No.23100925

>>23095295
it replaced one addiction with another, so no.

>> No.23102077
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It makes my hallucinations lessen. It engages my mind enough to not be on constant high alert which feeds back into my issues. Streams and events regulate my sleep schedue. I have more of a drive to watch streams than harm myself. I got surprised when I saw a vtuber who is schizophrenic and said similar things. I know watching videos/tv is a common distraction tactic but it's different with streams, they need you to be paying attention as it happens live, maybe for even 10 hours straight, even more brain power needed if it's in a language you're learning.

>> No.23102403

>>23096335
she has a boyfriend

>> No.23102513

>>23102077
based actual schizo

>> No.23103171

>>23097888
based self improvment sapling

>> No.23104097
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watching chuubas gives me something to look forward to even if they are just game collabs or karaoke streams. being invested in something and being excited for the future gives me a reason to continue to live and be happy so i think i am better off.

>> No.23104206

>>23095295
I have never been more healthy anon.
Now, I only eat less sawdust than before

>> No.23104256

>>23100901
how did your oshi make you want to talk to other people? if anything, watching streams has erased my need to engage in social interaction with others or make new friends.

>> No.23104462

>>23102403
I'm tired of this coming up with no source

>> No.23104529

>>23104462
my dude you have to do your reps, a certain musical mage could point you twards the info you seek

>> No.23104547

>>23095295
Any good the vtubers do it's ruined when I come back here

>> No.23104602

>years before vchuubas
fat antisocial retard with zero friends who spent all day watching anime at home
>2 years before chuubas
picked up cardio, started dieting, lost over 100lbs, started trying to date and make friends
>after picking up chuubas
first stopped trying to make friends, then dropped cardio and dieting, gained 50 lbs, finally bought a dakimakura

>> No.23104669

>>23097376
He is a faggot and dont know shit about what he is complaining about.

>> No.23104696

>>23095295
I've started doing my gym reps because of Fauna, and I've started (albeit doing really badly) my JP reps because of Watame

>> No.23104713

>>23095295
Goslinging for an oshi that visibly cringes at that made me a bit more considerate of people and of how I broadcast emotion. Otherwise, sleepless nights spent watching cartoon girls who can't afford the time, travel and reciprocity hasn't made my stress management any easier.

>> No.23104721

>>23104696
Why Fauna? I don't remember her doing ringfit streams or singing Onegai Muscle.

>> No.23104728

>>23104721
ah you don't remember the early days

>> No.23104750

honestly made the last two year way better.
Don’t really wanna kill myself anymore

>> No.23104778

>>23095295
I had a very dark moment, but then /asp/ told me NOT to try becoming one and I got better.

It really helps if you stick to corpo and accept your place in life as a meaningless drone with no hope of ever being noticed.

>> No.23104784

>>23104721
It was from her first streams, specifically during Spore that she started blabbering about forcing her creations to take Gym Memberships

>> No.23104820

>>23104784
Oh yeah I remember her buff creature, but I don't associate that with her anymore. I basically don't associate anything pre-Getting Over It with her.

>> No.23104950

>>23104820
Why? I haven't watched her since debut, did she change?

>> No.23104974

>>23104778
>I had a very dark moment
Were you preparing for an indie grooming operation?

>> No.23104998

>>23095295
Nope i am still a helpless masturbation addict. I'm currently reading through another self-help book but i had to stop literally 4 times so far (its 12:30 here) to rub one out. I don't think i'm going to be able to kick this addiction and vtubers really aren't helping

>> No.23105055

>>23095295
Actually, yes
I was doing an internship in late 2020 but the fucking coof interrupeted my graduation (I needed to complete my internship to graduate) so in the meantime (1 year) I watched vtubers to fill the void (free time) now after the coof I graduated and got a proper job (sadly, now I dont have much time to watch them...sad)

>> No.23105112

>>23095295
I cut women a bit more slack than I used to after watching chuubas so often. Getting to see autists with myriad levels of social skills endeavor to solve basic puzzles and fail to land shots on motionless targets made me realize I was over-reacting to certain things. Specifically, it’s helped calm me down when teamwork is required, as I now understand just how moronic the average human really is.

>> No.23105131

Its helped more than literally anything else ever could

>> No.23105140

>>23105112
>I cut women a bit more slack than I used to after watching chuubas so often
This. Women without worries are just people.

>> No.23105314
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>pros
I have GAD and OCD so I get constant panic attacks and thinking about her helps me relax a lot. Actually started studying japanese seriously instead of getting bored and stopping after learning katakana. Her VODs help me with my insomnia
>cons
Sometimes I can't sleep if I don't hear her voice. Started playing FFXIV again. There are times when I seriously need to study but I just can't miss her streams.
Overall I would it's getting better

>> No.23105364

>>23104974
Maybe...

I'm no longer interested thanks to a combination of sound advice and "forbidden knowledge".

>> No.23105628

>>23095295
Like legit it made it worse.

>> No.23105667

>>23105628
Get off this site.

>> No.23105708

>>23105628
Not frequenting a Mongolian basket weaving nexus in conjunction with watching chuubas might help, but only maybe.

>> No.23105725

>>23102403
All of them do what's your point?

>> No.23106022

>>23095295
Mental health? Not that much different desu. I see them just as another medium of entertainment

My nips reps tho; got inspired to picking it up again since my oshi is JP and i hate understanding only half of what she's saying most of the time

>> No.23106060

>>23095295
*Cums*

>> No.23106137

I'm the same loser as before. But play less video games now.

>> No.23106152

>>23095709
I don't remember making this post

>> No.23106176

AI generated thread, I've read most of these posts in the same order before

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>>23097908
>>23104602
>>23095465
youre not missing out on anything if youre """friend"""less

>> No.23106243

>>23096176
This. I hate her.

>> No.23106278

>>23106240
sounds like i'm missing out on fun actually

>> No.23106297

>>23095295
It has made it worse. But only because I come here.

>> No.23106364

>>23104669
probably the same fauna anti that shits up threads

>> No.23106447

>>23106297
despite the rampant schizo posting, i think /vt/ might be one of the better boards because it's always on topic, no politics, no incel shit. so it's better for me as i don't read any boards other than /vt/ now

>> No.23106749

>>23106278
fake fun, you wouldnt make any memories, that time would me meaningless
you can have as much fun alone as with """""friends"""""

>> No.23106765

>>23095295
Vtubers helped motivate me to cut down on how much weed I was smoking and finally put effort into learning Japanese and I've been crudely translating manga and other random bits and pieces which has helped make me feel like by neet life has some kind of purpose and given me quite a substantial confidence boost in general. On the other had it's turned me into a retard with a serious case of yellow fever, helped further my decent into weirder fetishes and also painfully reminded me how fucking lonely I am. Overall I'd say it's done me good

>> No.23106908

>>23097908
>Watching them created a huge envy/jealousy in me at seeing people who aren't traditional normalfags still manage to find good friends and interact with the opposite gender regularly
What would you consider a normalfag? I actually think all of these girls (and the boys if you watch them) are turbo normalfags that just like anime and games and that stuff, but they're all very social (yes, even the "oh guys I'm so socially awkward" ones) and it feels weird to me when people unironically call them autists. The reason I still watch them is that years on shitholes like wizard, tohno or /suicide/ made me realize that non normalfags are just as or even more shitty than normalfags so I might as well enjoy the fantasy characters that vtubers portray and not worry about the person behind the avatar, because whoever it is it's going to be someone that I hate

>> No.23107143

>>23102077
I don't have hallucinations (yet) but vtubers are helping me when I hear voices in my head, especially at night

>> No.23107519

ive never had any

>> No.23107621

>>23095295
My oshi has helped me immensely with my mental health, I gym 5 days a week, eat healthy, always have a positive outlook towards work, learned how to drive, started some side projects and made some investments
I also tried to be more sociable at Uni and have made more friends

This is all because she inspired me to better myself and for that, I am forever grateful to her

>> No.23107670

>>23095295
my mental health has significantly deteriorated since i started watching chuubaas

>> No.23107674

no, not at all

i mean nothin' against vtubers or anything but i'm a fucking trainwreck lmao

>> No.23107758

>>23107674
same

>> No.23107814

>neet
>antisocial
>0 friends
>no gf
>all day watching streams at my moms basement
Yeah

>> No.23109947

>>23095295
it makes me parasocial

>> No.23112775

>>23107621
>tfw you resumed martial arts classes because there's a one in a billion chance it might make you look cool for your oshi some day
Just for that, she's improved my life, even if the premise is laughable at face value.

>> No.23112896

>>23095295
In certain ways certainly, I now have motivation!
Shame I can't do shit with it due to my oshi streaming eight hours per day on average...

>> No.23112942

I don't know how I would have mentally survived the pandemic without vtubers. I feel like they helped prevent my mental health from worsening at least.

>> No.23112968

Honestly no, if anything they're a distraction from doing more meaningful things, but whatever.

>> No.23113085

>>23096233
Consider actually sitting down for an hour and thinking about your emotions, stuff like why do you want to hang out with people, do you actually need to cope, would you be happier if you dropped Fauna and are you willing to and so on
Some of the answers may surprise you, for example you could realize that while being alone sucks you no longer need to cope and just live with it or maybe that you should instead switch to Kiara and start improving yourself to become the best KFP possible!

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>>23095295
indeed they have. First with gfe chuuba's when I realized how bad I felt when they didn't stream. After long hard decision I purged any and all remotely gf/friend experience chuuba's. No more artificial comfort. Prop my self up on my own two feet. No positive reinforcement needed to get through the day. Dumping manipulative gfe whores was the most positive chose I made for my mental health these past months. And you should too anon. Drop these whores weighing you down.

>> No.23113614

Sometimes it bothers me how much of a passive hobby watching vtubers is. I spend most of my time with it just absorbing content, and no one would notice if I stopped.

>> No.23115017

>>23113614
It is for this reason i unfollowed most if not all non-interactive chuuba's and also I got into playing From Software games. A hobby that isn't just passive blank eyed consumering

>> No.23115148

>>23095295
Yes. It's made me a happier person, even more calm overall.
While other outlets have been poisoned and no longer make me happy, my oshi makes me smile regardless of how my day is going.

>> No.23115220

>>23115017
anon...

>> No.23115571

>>23115220
You know i'm right

>> No.23115595

It got me into ASMR, I don't even speak moonrune but those soothing mommy ASMR videos they are calming. Even the weird unbirth ones, how are they so soothing?!

>> No.23118706

>>23095295
Yes and no.
My oshi made me realise my helplessness and seek help for that but progress is far too slow for my liking. I sometimes wonder if someone like me can ever truly succeed at anything and then I feel like shit again.

>> No.23118944

It's helped me realize how I need to get a job, these sluts are making some bank and I'm a NEET.

>> No.23119000

>>23118944
What? If anything they show how you need to quit your job and start streaming.

>> No.23119157

>>23119000
The streaming game is too saturated. They make bank because they are biological females that are fun and approachable people and have a good personality (important, instead of being a brick wall like me). They deserve every penny of it.

>> No.23121043

>>23095295
my mental health is fine i just need more motivation

>> No.23121467

>>23095295
Good joke

>> No.23121907

>>23113085
I just want a caring girl to hug
And I fell in love with her voice before she became Fauna, I was already depressed listening to her old ASMR roleplays before knowing her actual personality

>> No.23122079

>>23095295
Definitely made it worse but I managed to get over it mostly and now just have this lingering desire to watch them and every day I may give in a couple times but I think in time that too will hopefully go away

>> No.23122143

>>23119157
Nobody deserves anything you fucking cockroach. Stop worshipping people who hate you.

>> No.23122174

>>23106240
thank you rena

>> No.23122437

>>23095295
She made me frequent this place so take a guess

>> No.23124000

>>23095295
Better, for social reasons around the chuuba. Talking to other fans has made me start trying to make things I can post to art tags, and participating in community content. As for the chuubas themselves, the feeling of "I want someone like that" has become "I want to be the someone they would want", and led to a few personal improvements.

>> No.23126086

>>23122143
You sure sound fun or mad or both. What's the matter 2view? Did nobody want to watch you?

>> No.23127634

I don't think I had any mental health issues before I started watching vtubers, but now I do, so...

>> No.23128139

I need more Fauna footjob art

>> No.23128772

>>23096233
She’s not real, anon. She’s played by an actress. Nobody is perfect in real life. She doesn’t show the parts that you wouldn’t like. If you can believe this, you can make it out, I hope.

>> No.23131554

Actually some of the advice given in the Cali, Irys and Bae podcast has been helpful

>> No.23131787

>>23095725
This, I am not at this level of fulfilment but after seeing my oshis level of English I picked up again English and I aiming for a diploma. Also I started to learn Japanese too, I don't how useful this will be but maybe someday It will be worth it. Obviously there were some other factors playing but I urinonically learned something from her.

>> No.23133387

>>23095295
I've unironically been aceing my job because I took advice from my oshi to heart.

>> No.23133535

I wonder what determines the difference between anons who're improved by vtubers and anons who're degenerated by them.
I mean it's probably something to do with the anon's attitude itself but I'd like to see the oshi spread. See if certain types of vtubers are just more conductive to good lifestyles.

>> No.23133616

>>23122437
Bruh same

>> No.23134067

>>23095295
It did. Watching chuubas is very relaxing and I dont think I was ever in a bad mood after watching streams. And if I was in a bad mood previously, watching chuubas always improved my mood.

>> No.23134098

>>23096233
I love fauna so much that I hate her. she's an absolute goddess and knowing that I'll never be her footstool makes me cry every time I watch her streams. there's no one like her and she made me lose interest in every girl I meet.

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No, how would it?

>> No.23135975

>>23134098
My thoughts exactly, I hate her because I love too much.

>> No.23137098

>>23095295
It gave me something to look forward to at least. I'm losing interests in things a lot faster these days.

>> No.23137205

>>23095295
Kinda. I was in a perfect storm of shit mentally speaking this winter and early spring and they were my rock

>> No.23137374

>>23106765
I can relate, but I've known since I was young that I have an incurable case of yellow fever. Nothing wrong with that imo. I just like em.

I quit smoking entirely since watching vtubers and also started studying Japanese. I'm not a neet though, which probably makes my vtuber enthusiasm a little healthier. I still see my friends and family on a regular basis. I am single right now though, and coincidentally have been since not long before I started watching vtubers. I also have a huge crush on my oshi; go figure.

>> No.23137525

>>23095295
it did until they retired or got so big they ignored me altogether

>> No.23137740

>>23095295
Unironically had the thought and was planning on killing myself a day, maybe a week after starting going to the university due to various reasons, then I discovered Pekora and everything changed in my life. I dropped off after a whole year, but I'm now happier than I ever have been.
I used to watch Kaguya Luna in late December 2017 and had never missed a single one of her videos until her last one two years ago, and now I'm doing the exact same thing with Pekora.

>> No.23137922

>>23137740
Take a minute and watch this at 12:45.

https://youtu.be/WzyQbfh4t_8?t=765

Glad you're in a better place now, anon.

>> No.23138764

>>23096176
like most chuubas, she's boring but I will jerk off to her every once in a while

>> No.23142597

>>23128772
The parts I like are enough to forgive the rest

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>>23095295
It got me off of posting on various incel forums and obsessing over something else, so I view that as a positive. I don't disagree with any of the blackpill shit I believed before, but its a waste of time to dwell on it so much and to hate women because of it. It only makes you more miserable every day and helps nothing. Your only options are cope or the rope, and in the end I chose to cope, and I am much happier for it. I'm still a loser virgin who wastes their degree at a minimum wage wageslave job, but at least I can be happy for a few hours a day because of vtubers.

>> No.23144232

>>23143251
I don't remember making this post

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>became a mega coomer bc of vtuber lewds
>unhealthy parasocial relationship with constant daydreaming
>spend hours arguing retards on the internet why my oshi is not a whore
>dropped actual meaningful hobbies to keep track of chuubas
No anon. No. Im just a clown and my life is a joke

>> No.23145996

>>23095295
I want to say so but the reality is they're probably a cope I've clung onto because of a recent trauma. Chuubas inspired me to properly study Japanese and since learning another language is a lifelong ordeal I spend inordinate amounts of time isolating myself to improve so I can feel closer to my oshi through understanding her language. I hardly maintain my real life relationships anymore. For the most part I am having fun but sometimes I feel bad about neglecting my friendships.

>> No.23146385

It's a good short term bandaid but I'm sure it's been a detriment in the long run

>> No.23147345

Because vtubers helped me finally learn how to play mahjong I decided to get some use out of the saki mahjong set I bought over a decade ago and taught my parents how to play while I was round for new year's. So now I spend an evening with them every week or two instead of having zero social life outside the Internet and rare family gatherings

>> No.23147426

>>23113614
calling it a hobby is extremely generous. itd be like calling netflix your hobby

>> No.23148152

>>23095295
Almost gave up on my life ambitions, but now I'm inspired to keep at it and make forward moving choices thanks to my oshi

>> No.23151145

>>23113614
Consuming media is not a hobby. You probably think vidya and anime count as hobbies too. Laughable.

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>>23145668

>> No.23154354

Before vtubers i used to laugh at idiots who threw money at female streamers, fell down the rabbit hole and became one of those losers. Fixed myself last year and dont really watch all that much anymore. Lifes better

>> No.23156388

>>23096176
cope

>> No.23156402

>>23095295
Made it worse, but it was fun

>> No.23156700

>>23105725
prooft?

>> No.23157430

>>23095295
yes, mainly because I asked myself if I ever met her would meeting me make her happy. the answer I gave myself was an extremely generous maybe but I wanted it to be an absolute yes so I started working out, reading again and have started trying to talk to people more often.

>> No.23158013

>>23095295
Unironically yes, they kinda take me out of my stressful life

>> No.23158447

>>23147426
>>23151145
Anime, movies, and video games can certainly be hobbies. A hobby is just something you do in your free time for fun.

>> No.23158513

>>23156700
It's me. I'm their boyfriend.

>> No.23158672

>>23158513
My alzheimers is getting worse.

>> No.23158893

>>23158447
If someone asks you what your hobbies are, I hope to god you don't say to them anime, movies, or video games. That's the ultimate cringe.

>> No.23159133

>>23158893
Stop caring what some normalshits may or may not think about things you do for fun and your life will immediately improve

>> No.23159373
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>>23106749
>>23106240
What the fuck is this? 2010? Stop acting like an underage emo faggot.

>> No.23159579

>>23095295
It gave me people I can relate to

>> No.23159624

I don't think that watching chuubas had any effect on my mental health
I do feel better sometimes than years before but it's probably because I quitted social media and strated working out, while the social isolation from the pandemic sometimes makes me feel like shit

>> No.23160273

>>23095295
would you consider 'wanting to fuck green lamy's brains out' to be an improvement to my mental health?

>> No.23160309

>>23104950
nta but her first getting over it stream was right after her first yab with doxxing her own name on stream, but she seemed to hit a stride after that

>> No.23160637

>>23159133
I'd rather have friends and a gf to be quite honest.

>> No.23160771

>>23095295
The distance between genius and insanity is measured only by success

>> No.23161480

>>23095295
Went from the top of my life to the bottom
Get the fuck out while you can
Abandon all streamers and podcasts

>> No.23161630

>>23160637
You can make it happen, anon.

>> No.23163400

>>23104529
I think I'll just cope and assume they are business partners

>> No.23166218

>>23163400
lol

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>>23095295
No

>> No.23166382

>>23095295
It did back when Kizuna AI was in the spotlight and holo's were a start up company. Now that trend chasers are here it's just soulless.

>> No.23166708

Removing mental issues and taking care of my apparence so that nothing on my side will prevent me from having sex with Fauna or a Fauna-like girl has helped me tremendously. I would have probably liked to work on myself for other reasons but I won't complain

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