did something go down?

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>continuing as independent.
that is very interesting. I'm guessing the must have paid for their own models and their contracts weren't like Hololive where you lose the model/IP if you leave/get fired.

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Yup, they're all joining my harem and I have forbade them from having any online presence

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>>23033193
Two of them entered the company with their own model. Now the only question is who will keep streaming once they leave Tsunderia, who will stay indie, and who will be going into another corpo within the next couple months.

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>>23033090
Would you continue working in a small corpo without Slugma? Yeah me neither

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yeah, their profits.

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>>23033215
btw i wrote this

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The writing has been on the wall for a while, but Slugma’s departure felt really, really off. I would have figured her to be the last to leave, management-wise.

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>>23033090
Their manager left last month to do something else, the company was probably just in the red

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>>23033090
>The following talents will hold a Tsunderia graduation stream and be independent from Tsunderia after the following dates
He can't keep getting away it.

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>>23033090
A few things went down. tl;dr it's everyone involved's fault.

>Chinese CEO uses mysterious Chinese money to start company. Thinks all he needs to do is toss some cash and call it good.
>Hires managers (Char and then Urara) after realizing you actually have to manage a company
>None of the talents listen to management. Management tries to be friends instead of bosses.
>Char does nothing. Quits. Urara gets fed up. Quits.
>The talents realize they have zero reason to renew their contracts, as there the company never promotes them or provides any support. Especially not for the supposed 40% cut the company was taking.
>They all quit.
And here we are.

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Is there actually no behind the scenes staff or just no KNOWN staff?
Last thread made it seem like the only thing left are the streamers and the CEO

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>>23033193
>I'm guessing the must have paid for their own models
The Tsunderia contract gives you the model for free but has a buyout clause when you leave.
>>23033090
Slugma & Char quit. They were the only ones keeping things together.
>>23033251
>Two of them entered the company with their own model
Which were consistently the most successful.
> Now the only question is who will keep streaming once they leave Tsunderia,
I think this kind of makes it slightly more likely Miori is just going to quit once school becomes too much. Unless Hololive returns to a policy that's not been in effect for like 3 years and takes her on with her model & persona, which is wildly unlikely.

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>>23033352
Ungrateful women

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>>23033416
Men quit unaccomodating jobs far quicker than women.
>>23033377
Slugma & Char had superiors but how many is unknwon. There was also apparently a third manager that Lisa never gave a name for.

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>>23033090
Company implosion imminent

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>>23033482
Women don’t work that often tho.

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>>23033482
>Slugma & Char had superiors but how many is unknwon. There was also apparently a third manager that Lisa never gave a name for.
This is complete bullshitery by PPP and the others. There is no extra staff. It's just PPP.

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>>23033316
I genuinely don't think Tsunderia talents would be a good fit for Yab Connect. They're all very... Old Internet, and Tsunderia's main brand identity is being Twitter kids.

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>>23033251
Miori is probably getting groomed by Cover or Anycolor headhunters since the announcement was posted on Tsunderia twitter

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More sluts down. More of my bretheren are safe from their succubus wiles. Tis a blessed day

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>>23033565
And the crusade marches on!

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>>23033482
Slugma nuts lmao

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>>23033542
Neither Niji's Poo squad nor Omegalul have the sense to pick up someone like Miori.
She and Bae used to be Genmates and you cannot in good conscience tell me Miori somehow didn't apply to be in Council or Ethyria.
And yes, people have gotten in after failing their first couple applications, but it just goes to show how retarded Big Two management is.

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>>23033482
>Men quit unaccomodating jobs far quicker than women.
Shut the fuck up you women apologist. And stop coping, I am breeding Slugma on the daily and she's loving it, I was and still am her only superior

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>>23033646
She skipped Hololive because she jumped in Tsunderia as soon as MyHolo voided their contracts

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>>23033316
>you will never build a virtual e girl harem from other corpos with your crypto gains

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>>23033646
Miori didn't apply to Council, and I believe she was going to apply to Niji KR but decided to not go with it. Not sure if she was fishing for pity comments or not realize she has what it takes to apply to Hololive.

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>>23033090
who?

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>>23033090
Something? Yes, the entire company went down it seems.

What happened, I have no fucking clue, but god this is crazy seeing both them and Cyberlive implode the last month. What the ACTUAL fuck is going on, can someone on the other side at least try to explain a bit for us as best you're able?

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and people talked shit about rosemi for leaving this sinking ship kek

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>>23033778
the vtuber bubble is popping
this is called industry consolidation

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>>23033791
Go back to /rose/.

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>>23033778
Peope not making enough money

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>>23033400
Is she Indo? 215k subs is less than the new holoID's have got in a month or two, even Sana has got more than that with all her issues.
The plus side would be if she owns her IP & model there's almost nothing HoloLive need to do to bring her in and for her she'll get immediate exposure that she won't have as an indie. It could be mutually beneficial.

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And Orla just got her new model. I hope that she will go indie and won't discard it soon

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>>23033778
This guy claimed to be on the other side. Could just be a big rrat but it seems plausible.

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>>23033791
Not judging if it was morally right or not, it's however true that Tsunderia was in a good shape when she asked to leave a few weeks in, and her sudden departure so early in 1st gen killed the mood and momentum hard, contributing to the current situation.

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>>23033316
how the fuck does he do it?

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>>23033778
>can someone on the other side at least try to explain a bit for us as best you're able?
Cyberlive has fuck all subs, and whoever owns the company has decided to pull the plug because there's no income and expenses are too high.

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>>23033847
she's grown attached to her original model and has done stunningly well with it pretty much on her own
there would have to be enormous incentives for her to not be miori anymore

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Why the hell would Miori graduate, she was just talking about the next outfit she had planned. What is going on here?

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>>23033539
Orla is very old internet and she's not a good for Phase Connect anyway. And by Old Internet, I meant the 2000s, not the 2010s.

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KiRT was right all along.

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>>23033965
"Graduate" as in leaving the company. She's still streaming, just as an indie.

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>>23033923
Moreso, cyberlive is now made of literally just gossiping high school girls, the one very strong element they had left with everything and she was more than half the company revenue. Even the last remaining manager was in their private gossip discord where they shit talked the other talent out of jealousy.
Honestly it's not going anywhere good, good on Sakana though the man knows how to make the better of situations.

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>>23033965
She is just leaving Tsunderia, nothing about graduating as a vtuber. She put in a TON of work and reaped a lot of thr hard work to simply vanish from vtubing right now.

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>>23034027
Ok good, because her model is fucking fantastic, if she had to give that up I'd be extremely sad

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>>23033965
she streamed today and said she will give a little while before her next stream because of the backlash she quit a company and just kept streaming normally, so probably no streams for this week

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>>23033291
Something is going on behind the scenes with the management. They aren't quitting vtubing, they're just quitting Tsunderia. Why is working for Tsunderia so bad? There must be a reason behind the scenes.

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>>23033090
anyway this is why we only watch hololive

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>>23034131
>we

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>>23034131
>we

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>>23033090
Nijisanji, please poach them

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>>23034128
Imagine getting a new job. You're told you're in charge of a small group of people. You have another manager who's going to help you.
Quickly, it turns out you're actually running the whole fucking company. And the other manager is no where to be found.
Then when you ask the guy who hired you wtf is going on and if you can get some help, he asks if you'd like to see his new Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

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>>23034128
No money and no management, why would people stay in a corpo and give up money when they are basically doing everything themselves?

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>>23034131
>we

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>>23034131
> “let’s try to make this completely unrelated thread about hololive”
fuck out of here

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>>23033646
Miori never applied for Hololive or Nijisanji. She's very attached to her character and said she'd only join a big corpo if they let her keep her model. Now that Tsunderia is dissolving she's kind of walked that back and said she'd possibly join a company.

However given she enjoys collabing with males and is pretty degenerate I don't think she'd feel comfortable in Hololive. Even with her friendship with Bae it's not worth sacrificing her entire character and personality just to be another dime a dozen seiso idol bitch with extreme restrictions on who she's allowed to interact with even as far as collabing with indies. Maybe if they make her an offer she can't refuse like Irys/Mori having recording contracts under Cover then she might consider it I guess.

With that said given that HoloEN probably have their Gen 3 lined up already and NijiEN auditions just ended she's in an awkward spot as far as corpos. She might join Phase Connect or any other 2view company to bide her time or just remain an indie until Niji auditions are open again.

I doubt anyone else in Tsunderia will be joining a corpo except maybe Amiya an Lisa who haven't even graduated yet. Everyone else either struggles too much with growth to be worth hiring or is too comfortable in their current position(Yuuna) to join a company. I guess if Yuuna did join a company it'd 100% be Hololive though, she's a huge fan.

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>>23034280
holoboard, seethe about it

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>>23033900
>how the fuck does he do it?
Same way Yagoo did.
A moderately high amount of IRL corporate experience and interpersonal competence goes a L O N G way in upstar-- I mean start-up industries.

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>>23034280
You niggers are comming in /hlgg/ so i come here to shit on you,
Fuck you nigger

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my narrative is that Urara got poached by Sakana and got hired as a new manager for pcg gen two. They were close afterall

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anons can I get a tldr im a holofag only

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>>23034363
We can tell. Since there's already multiple explanations in the thread and you just scrolled past all of them.

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>>23034283
hololive probably wouldnt (although suisei did the exact thing), but it would be a shrewd move to let her be miori and stick her with irys.

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>>23034283
What can a small corpo offer Miori? She has many shorts that hit 100's of thousands of views, even one with well over 2 million. Apparently she is getting even more new fans due to Korean fan translated clips. She rose over the last year through her own effort. What can they offer her that she can't simply do as an indie and not have anyone dip into her SC/SL? You'd essentially need to be Hololive to pick her up. Only problem is that she will probably not get to collab with Jelly anymore.

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>>23034416
putting her as miori into hololive would be one of the biggest power moves of the past three years, my knees would instantly fall to the ground

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>>23034040
Imaging holding a private discord with everyone but the best performing talent and main revenue just to shit talk, and the manager being part of it.
Understandable that most other small corpos try to avoid them.

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>>23033847
Miori pulls an insane amount of cash per stream.
>subs
Nobody cares. Subs don't pay your rent. Turnout does, and Miori's turnout-per-sub would easily tie Sana's CCV with Gura's if she had the same percentage as Miori.

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Jesas

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>>23034479
I can't imagine funding that kind of shit, I hope whoever is the guy spending money on this is wealthy enough not to care.

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>>23034416
>(although suisei did the exact thing)
Yes but afterwards it never happened again. Same with Kuzuha. It's just not done anymore.

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>>23034283
>I guess if Yuuna did join a company it'd 100% be Hololive though
Nah they should just join Niji together. It would be so much better that way.

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>>23034479
crab bucket mentality
worst case of ngm I've seen in a while

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>>23034416
They don't do that anymore because it's too much of a legal clusterfuck. If a member that owns the rights to their model leaves the company they have to scrub every trace of them from the company. On top of that it means they need the talent's permission to put them in any promotional art or make merch etc which gives them too much leverage. The only reason Kuzuha and Suisei got to keep their models was because they sold the rights to those models to Nijisanji/Hololive so if they ever quit they lose them. Miori would definitely never agree to that.

>>23034451
Small corpos have other benefits like management to support your projects and business connections and people you can collab with.
I agree being an indie is more profitable for Miori but maybe she gets lonely without a family to be part of, who knows.

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>>23033281
no me

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>>23033778
Compared to Tsunderia (and other literal who corps) the Cyberlive shit looks baby. Fired a manager and two girls left mainly because everyone else in the company disliked them and felt unwelcome. Tsunderia my best guess is just mismanagement, Ura allegedly got poached for PC gen 1.5 suddenly to manage Yuri and Lumi.

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>>23034673
>Miori would definitely never agree to that
i wouldnt say never, trading a beloved model for hololive stardom is actually a pretty fucking good deal for any vtuber

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>>23033687
>>23034283
>>23033702
Oh, my bad then. Disregard, cocks, etc etc.
> Maybe if they make her an offer she can't refuse like Irys/Mori having recording contracts under Cover then she might consider it I guess.
Oh yeah, that WOULD probably be enough to entice her (if it's not IRyS gay-as-fuck fleshy Vocaloid deal), since that'd basically guarantee her a sustainable musical career.
> However given she enjoys collabing with males and is pretty degenerate I don't think she'd feel comfortable in Hololive. Even with her friendship with Bae it's not worth sacrificing her entire character and personality just to be another dime a dozen seiso idol bitch with extreme restrictions on who she's allowed to interact with even as far as collabing with indies.
Good point.
And conversely if she somehow got out of those restrictions she'd get harassed to kingdom come by those who've come to expect that sort of thing.
>>23034451
>What can a small corpo offer Miori?
Proactive management that actually knows what they're doing. Also both of the big chuuba companies are Japanese which cucks the fuck out of what you can sing & play.

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>>23034673
they handle merch too, which is a hassle if you ever tried working with that in any capacity so there's that if you're large enough that people want merch of your character

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>>23034673
This is bullshit you can define the terms on this in the contract itself, temporary IP ownership is also an actual thing. It happens regularly and even happened in the past, even with scummy companies like ENTUM they didn't have to scrub eilene stuff from her own channel after "taking" it either. However it's true a lot of contracts have been far too unclear in the past, similarly to what happened to azuma lim and her 1 year legal battle that ended with her getting the ownership of her model as payback for the salary she never got paid.

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Dont give women money.

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>>23033702
I can't find the stream (i thought it was the hot tub one in march but couldn't find it) but she outright said she auditioned for ban hada

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If Tsunderia really does end up going belly-up, what does that mean for the small corpo sphere? Where did they sit prior to this in the hierarchy?

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>>23034830
What about prostitutes though

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>>23034759
open her channel and filter by past live streams and you will see her gaming stuff is just a wreck unless she can turn the gaming stream into a zatsudan somehow, it's arguable if she would sit well with hololive being like this

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>>23034969
Dont do it.

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>>23033352
It's sad fate of capitalism that so much money is at hands of people who don't even know what to do with it

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Man it must be hell to manage a small corpo like this.
I'd revise the contract if I was the owner.

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>>23033791
>People
It was literally one of the managers that quit

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>>23034963
The small corpo hierarchy is just based on how many "successful" talents you have.
Prism has 2 successful talents(Luto and Shiki)
Kawaii has 1(Nene)
Phase Connect has Pippa but their other girls do better than the average for the other corpos and they just gained Lumi too.
Cyberlive used to have Lumi but not anymore.
Tsunderia had Miori and Yuuna with Amiya/Lisa slowly inclining.
So I guess in the end they're all pretty much in the same position except Cyberlive which is collapsing.

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>>23034963
Probably higher than all the smaller SEA ones that speak English. Smaller than a lot of the EN small corpos outside of Yuuna or Miori.

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>>23034963
Phase connect was already the best all-around but got even stronger by aquiring Cyberlive's best performing talent in Lumi. Cyberlive was close in term of how good the contract was, from Lumi overall performance added to their Gfe/coomberbait branch on YT, but now imploded. Vspro while not the most talked about has been doing pretty well. PRISM has good overall image but overspent to a fault on those models and have holo-tier kind of contract and no in the good way, some talents quit over it after a while because all the restrictions with none of the benefit was just not worth it.
Kawaii prod and Tsunderia were around PRISM overall or slightly better but so much went down that now all other small corpos rose up in comparison while Cyberlive and Tsunderia heavily dropped.

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>>23035096
Cyberlive has Emma too though

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>>23035164
And Emma is not much.
The only thing she has going for her are dead subs and numbers on her coomerbait shorts.
Those never translated in viewership or donations, she was waaay behind Lumi despite having 3x the subs even back when Lumi still was on YT.
Emma success is really overvalued.

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>>23035096
>>23035123
Cyberlives golden goose outside of /vt/ wasn't even Lumi after gen 2. Emma has better numbers and is far more well known in the vtuber space. Menace has been making more money and close to same viewership as Lumi. They are going to be ok if they get new girls in, Tsunderia however is fucked. Everyone is jumping ship.

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>>23034487
subs=sponsorship bargaining tool
anon, please do your YT reps

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>>23034963
I'd say Tsunderia used to be #1 on account of Kallin, Yuuna & Miori.
Now it's Phase >>23035123 >Prism (Luto & Shiki)>Massive power gap>Everyone else.
Phase used to be really fucking small but now Tenma gets 300 on hard debuff games, which nobody else can say about themselves and their weakest EN talent still breaks 200 on every single stream.

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>>23035245
That's a common misconception, see >>23035233
Did you see her actual dono and viewers? She had less average viewer than Lumi and in term of money it was jut leagues behind.

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>>23035259
Well still waiting on those sponsorships, seem it's not the easiest to get when your main brand is coomerbait like shown here >>23035233

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>>23035233
Honestly it'll take time to realistically know what sort of CCV to sub ratio is sensible for small corpos. There are various ones that have 100k subs and get 100~200 CCV outside of certain streams. You cannot apply Hololive or Nijisanji ratios to small corpos.

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>>23035282
games being buffs or debuffs depends on the streamer, whatever black magic tenma used she doesn't seem to have a debuff playing anything

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>>23033778
The world is opening up, people who used to watch vtubers in their home are now going out to have fun outside, the numbers are going down and agencies are doing badly financially. Simple as that.

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>>23035294
I mean
>sea hours
>youtube
She is regularly 3 digits and I say that as someone who watches her. Her donations however are lacking indeed. Also dead subs can still pull in good collabs, sponsors, and auditioners for them. It's better to have one 100ccv talent at 50k than one talent at 200 ccv and 10k subs since most people aren't going to do the digging.

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>>23035245
>Menace has been making more money and close to same viewership as Lumi.
What are you smoking, even Emma wasn't anywhere close Lumi's income, Lumi having so many oil barons constantly dropping hundreds to thousands on top of that insane amount of subgifts had her carrying the rest of the company while Emma and Menace subs didn't translate to viewership and they still get low donations. Like by now Emma got what, barely 3k$? That's about 15-25% of what Lumi brought

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I'm actually surprised that Pippa gets 500 regular viewers now.

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>>23035332
That is true but it only supports my point. Namely that Phase has an incredibly stable stabl-- roster of talents with zero dead weight in its EN division, and in JP the only dead weight is Nasa because she barely shows up.
>>23035402
What should surprise you is that she gets that on streams utterly unrelated to internet deep dives, which is what she was initially known for. She'll do a bog-standard gaming stream and still get 450 people to show up.
Her viewership is incredibly loyal and seems to turn up in droves even when she doesn't do content that is fully unique to her.

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>>23035402
Phase’s general CCV seems to be no joke. Pippa’s would surprise me more if she weren’t the walking incarnation of a nuclear yab, but it’s still impressive nonetheless.

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>>23035389
The unsaid truth is that without Lumi the company would've folded financially. Now Menace sits at 100 on twitch while Lumi is breaking into 300 territory on random watchalong streams.

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>>23035332
That's because Tenma is just naturally talented as an entertainer. Even when playing debuff games she's good at making it fun for chat and ensuring everyone is having a good time.
Of course she also doesn't play generally boring games like Genshin so that helps.

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>>23035389
Menace has some insane oil barrons too I assure you anon. They are mainly just donating off stream to her. Her viewership is indeed almost the same as Lumis since she moved to twitch. Emma doesn't earn big but her analytics are objectively good she is always 3 digit ccv. I really don't wanna debate an irrelevant corps numbers, my point was they can survive Tsunderia can't

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>>23033539
>They're all very... Old Internet
No, just one of them

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>>23034479
>>23034040
>Lumi's shizopets try to stir shit up again
Sei, zia Kill yourselves

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>>23035389
Lumi's success is hilarious because at its core it' hinges on her being a smart driven person that smart driven people like to watch. Turns out smart driven people are more likely to have deep pockets.

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>>23035123
>overspent to a fault on those models
But man are they some good models.

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>>23034479
>3/24/22
>Imaging holding a private discord with everyone but the best performing talent
What did Lumi mean by this?

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>>23035572
Still insane how people think Zia is in any way related to Lumi

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>>23035654
Well, definitely agree on that.
In itself it's not always a bad thing to spend a lot onf models, they do matter a lot, though compared to Phase connect who went for much less known artists and got a similar level of quality, maybe PRISM could get better deal than this.

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>>23034985
What do you mean? You know that nobody watches these girls because of their gaming skills, right? In hololive or anywhere else.

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>>23035320
Subs have value I never said they're using that value anon. even YT'er number #39485 with 60k subs can get sponsorships, alot of these corps are really sleeping on their subs and especially on VOD style content which is what YT is built on.

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>>23035732
Shu has the lowest viewership in Luxiem despite being the best in every game they play - nearly noone watches vTubers for their gaming skill

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>>23035789
Selen is the gamer by far in nijiEN Shu.

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>>23035732
being good or at least decent in a game/genre and focusing most of your streaming hours in those usually work as a buff if done right. and if they don't have amazing skills being really good at a game can actually carry (some vspo girls actually manage this, for example)

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>>23035703
idk but I remember seeing many stuff like that https://streamable.com/4vg00u though a schizo stalker was posting similar stuff with other people in relation to Lumi so might be just that

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>>23035833
Shu is better at almost every game, Selen is only good at Apex and Overwatch.
He's even better than her at Valorant.
The biggest difference is Shu actually reads and is capable of applying that information from ingame prompts. Selen just goes full retard in every game she plays that isn't Apex.

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>>23035833
Selen is the best Apex (and OW) player. She's merely okay in other games, including FPS.

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>>23035732
arguably true, but i think some might not watch if she just sucks too hard

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>>23033316
>from one run chink company to another run chink company
great...

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>>23034186

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>>23034186
Are you talking about Cyberlife now?

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>>23035703
Lol retard

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I don't care about these whores, they should not join Hololive.

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>>23036053
>The biggest difference is Shu actually reads and is capable of applying that information from ingame prompts. Selen just goes full retard in every game she plays that isn't Apex.
I see this happening a lot in many vtubers, indies or corpos. Seems like they have their brain full with stream multitasking and it's always ingame info what gets ignored.

It would be nice if they made game info assimilating reps, sometimes missing those things leads to a boring repetitive section of the vtuber not knowing what to do to progress

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>>23034512
Weird, since Sui and Kuzuha are powerhouses of their companies. Like, the experiment worked, why not continue it.

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>>23038879
As companies grow management becomes increasingly inflexible and focused on maintaining what they have, so the safer a route is the likelier it is it will be taken.

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>>23034479
>I could care less
Kek

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>>23039379
every time

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>>23034985
>>23035732
>>23035888
My point was that gaming isn't all that necessary to be a successful vtuber. If the original poster that alluded to her gaming streams meant she is crap at games I'm saying that doesn't matter. Look at say Haachama, who doesn't even play games cept blockgame every so often. If her strength is her zatsu then I doubt any large corpo would discount her purely due to lack of gaming ability or eveb a total lack of games entirely.

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>>23034494
Man...

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Miori...
first MyHoloTV. now Tsunderia.

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>>23033948
Mio talked about this in her member stream last night. She's willing to part with her current model and character but not her artist and rigger

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Let me get this straight this company literally gives away free models and the girls get to have the models if they retire? Is the owner retarded? Of course no one is going to stay.

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>>23034186
>he asks if you'd like to see his new Yu-Gi-Oh cards.
This part of the rrat is partly true. Talents have talked about PPP randomly showing up in voice company chats and asking if they want to see him unbox cards.

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>>23040462
Miori should join NijiEN/HoloEN next

[Anonymous No.]

>>23033090
>Meru
Well fuck. I wasn't a loyal Tsunderia watcher or anything, but I would enjoy watching Meru from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23042084
Specifically NijiEN, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034186
I'd like to see his Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23042084
But she'd have to give up her awesome model

[Anonymous No.]

>>23033090
god damn, is tsundaria liqudating at this point?

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>>23042137

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>>23042024
No clue if they were free or if they had to buy their models. On the other hand two of them already owned their models.

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>>23033893
I really don't think it contributed to the current situation.
only a month or so later she stopped all activity on her roomate so she fully planned on making the jump to Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>23038812
Bruh, it's just women gaming debuff. They are less intuitive than men so when gaming they have to read everything. Streaming, gaming, reading chat, and reading in game prompts is hard so something will always lag behind the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23042024
No the one that gave shit away for free was cyberlive. Dunno what the tsunderia deal is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035402
I mean when you pander and try hard to be a pickme girl of course that’ll happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23033090
That's almost the whole company god damn
>>23042024
Miori already owns her model since she bought it from MyHoloTV when she left, but the others will probably have to buy theirs too or loose it

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035123
> Phase connect was already the best all-around but got even stronger by aquiring Cyberlive's best performing talent in Lumi.
This is the funniest shit I’ve read in a minute especially that last sentence.
>some talents quit over it after a while because of all the restrictions with none of the benefit was just not worth it.
Who? You mean the one person who left and didn’t explain why? That’s some? I never seen someone write a paragraph without saying anything. Other corpos falling apart people leaving left and right and somehow a problem prism has?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035259
you first, sponsors prioritize engagement and the category dont change much unless you are on another league

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035123
>Phase connect was already the best all-around but got even stronger by aquiring Cyberlive's best performing talent in Lumi
>Man this girl Lumi must be very popular
>Check her
>10k subs
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23044431
She mainly streams on Twitch tbf but it’s still nothing significant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034629
Nijisanji doesn't know how to develop talents. She'd rather go independent If her only option is Nijisanji I feel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23042084
Being a female in Nijisanji is worse than being an independent. She's too big for them anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23042024
Two of the graduates have talked about having to take extra jobs to make more money, they might have done a buyout.

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>>23044053
nta but a few /asp/ got past the first audition step and instantly pulled back after seeing the contract it's been mentioned multiple times in the past year or so and well known among indies by now that their contract is the worst of all decent small corpos (always better than no-contract twitter companies ofc)

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>>23044431
She left youtube a while ago, but she's 200+ viewer and most of all has an insane sub/viewer ratio too which isn't something to scoff at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23044951
She's been steadily inclining and knows the game pretty well yeah. Her 6 months subathon got her 2200 subs too last time

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045012
she's basically been doing everything herself, even cover and original had no support from cyberlive, model and all was nice but if you end up doing that and all the manager work what's the point of staying and giving 20% of your income

[Anonymous No.]

>>23044659
NijIEN lowest CCV is still 1k, Miori gets more than that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045176
Cyberlive paid for an expensive computer part for her, 2nd outfit and part of her 3D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23043778
>>23044755
Insane that they let them buy the models, it's so fucking stupid, they become popular thanks to the brand and whatnot, and then they can just walk away with that character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23033352
Being in company has benefits, even if just to create a more stable box
But for 40%...

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045192
most of those are chink femoids waiting for a male to appear out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045012
Subathons aren't great ways to tell how popular talent is I don't think, Xiulan from Amberglow got well over 2000 subs during her one too but she's generally smaller than Lumi. You need more data points over a longer time.

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>>23045449
Finana got 1k in this stream, Finana got 1k before Luxiem debuted as well.

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>>23045277
Nobody would join if there's no way out and buyout means the company is only losing potential future income. Considering most people leave because they don't want to work for their company anymore, it's not a bad deal for both.

That being said, there is a limit and CL was obviously past that.

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>>23045737
>Nobody would join if there's no way out
Of course they would, don't be stupid. No fucking japanese corpo does this shit, even the small ones. If they reached some level of popularity, but weren't allowed to stay with that character they wouldn't quit that easily.

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>>23045253
Yeah indeed, that's not small. The company was nothing when she joined though and she carried it for 6 months, it was definitely not hylo or any other genmate, esp after the early drama with the debut perks.
An official statement said Misaki was fired for literally doing nothing as Lumi had to do all of the manager job by herself, all the while paying cyberlive a % of her revenue (the biggest of the company), and paying herself all the music stuff. On top of gen2 shit talking her on her back, at some point, enough bullshit, she left with a lot of value but it's more than understandable.

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>>23046085
You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

Their contract was expiring, i don't think they had any particular problem with Tsunderia, but the agency itself is really without money now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035528
Brother you're a bit stuck in the past on viewership, I don't know how you know of Menace's oil barons donating behind the scenes but i'll trust you know more than me on that but in terms of viewership Menace ain't even close.
On a good day Lumi is over 300+ ccv and on her worst known performing days she's hitting close to 200 now at around 180+
On average she's gone above 220 ccv and maintains it comfortably and it's quickly growing.
Gone are the days of thinking maintaining just above 100 ccv is Lumi tier.

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>>23046430
Lumi has been streaming for longer than Menace and Emma which means she was able to flesh out her fanbase more. Menace and Emma already have a better start and have the possibility of catching up quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035336
The world has been "opened up" for months now, in some places almost a year. Why do dumb fucks keep spouting this.

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>>23044901
> nta but a few /asp/ got past the first audition step and instantly pulled back after seeing the contract
Ah yes vt I definitely believe everything that’s said on here definitely not dudes larping. I do like the idea that people backing out is the fault of Prism and not the people applying. Imagine looking at the Hololive contract and saying “wait I have to actually follow rules” then complaining on Twitter about it. But lucky for them they joined the other corpos that are falling apart congratulations.

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>>23034283
>She's very attached to her character and said she'd only join a big corpo if they let her keep her model.
>With that said given that HoloEN probably have their Gen 3 lined up already and NijiEN auditions just ended she's in an awkward spot as far as corpos.
If only there was one big corpo hiring right now that are more than happy to accept pre-existing characters...

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>>23045449
Still gets more views than Mio unfortunately

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>>23033090
Those idiots probably tried to start a union, lol.

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>>23034494
god gracious

[Anonymous No.]

>>23046742
Vshojo has stated they aren't taking in old models and starting their new talent with new models/lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045449
ah, a holobrony i see, she got 1k that stream

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>>23034283
Amiya can't reasonably join any JP-based corporation, because Permissions will lock her out of basically her entire game library, and force her to play more modern and/or FOTM games, something she has adamantly spoken against in stream multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23046994
Why would they say that? I thought their big benefit was being a collective that takes care of business stuff for talents instead of a standard company that owns all character IP. Are they also realizing the laissez-faire approach doesn't work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23046551
You're naive, Lumi was also pulling over 100ccv during that time-frame when she was still on youtube.
They're not out-growing her, you're about to learn the hard-way that getting to 100ccv is a wall that can break most content creators spiritually because getting past that with a healthy viewer-base takes some time even for the brightest talents as the core audience fluctuates while a content creator tries to figure out how to go past it and identify how to succeed with their style.

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>>23046799
brand strong

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>>23047269
That only means they have a chance to grow the same way Lumi has.

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>>23047423
A chance yes, a chance not everyone succeeds with for one reason or another as many indie or other small corpo viewers lament with about their oshis not growing past that.
Some just never take off and get stuck on that 100ccv treadmill for years as it's really fucking hard.
I'll be genuinely impressed if they can break that treadmill in 5-6 months let alone Lumi's 2-3 months.

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>>23047142
I don't personally know nor follow, just read it a bunch as I've wasted my sunday night on /here/. My guess is it's less legal paper work long term and perhaps cheaper to start new instead of buying out the model under the company? Vshojo is big enough that if you watch anybody on Twitch you are likely to at least poke your head in the new Vshojo talent and if you see your old oshi there you'll also probably stay.

[Anonymous No.]

You can feel she and the others didn't really wanted to leave Tsunderia but did as of more for the best of their company than themself,

[Anonymous No.]

>>23048839
Compared to Lumi and Yuri dropping Cyberlife like a piece of shit just to praise PC has their Jesus Christ Savio lmao

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>>23046551
Gen2 was able to have that good start thanks to the prior gen's work, Cyberlive had no audience at all initially, they built it from the ground up for gen 2
It's like saying gen3-4-5-X of Hololive just got their number themselves when it's thanks to prior gens even though those gens 1 and 2 have low numbers in comparison
>>23047269
Lumi had around 150+ on YT at the end

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>>23034283
>another dime a dozen seiso idol bitch with extreme restrictions on who she's allowed to interact
Why are nijifags like I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23043771
>Pippa
>Pickmegirl
????

[Anonymous No.]

>>23050680
Please understand, /vt/ learned a new word and has to spam it until it's exhausted and has lost all meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23042746
Cunny, I love cunny

[Anonymous No.]

>>23051040
disaster

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>>23038812
Because this might surprise you, people aren't interesting in how good you are at bioshock, they just want to watch a girl scream and laugh while playing it.
Being good at most games is actually a debuff to the streamer unless they're top tier.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not liking this era of instability. I feel like the start up industry looked great a few months ago but I guess I didn't pay enough attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23043771
Pickme girl should be considered a compliment.
If girls like that truly exist, the others are inferior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23051176
That's pretty much 100% Kaneko Lumi.

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>>23033090
Yeah, Mio took her shitty little clique and fucking dipped.

Least we still have Ami and Lisa who don't talk about how many guys they bang on a daily basis.

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>>23051435
>Ami and Lisa don't talk about how many guys they bang on a daily basis
did you miss the tsun thread a few days ago after Ami talked about trying to get a guy to fuck her?

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>>23034494
Holy mother of god. They're dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23051176
from my experience with that term it's usually used by generic thots against more interesting or likable people

[Anonymous No.]

>>23033352
This is it. It's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23051220
and that's why she's great

[Anonymous No.]

>>23047142
I didn't see anything about that anywhere so I'd take anon's info with a grain of salt for now

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>>23048988
Oh yeah, how shitty of Lumi to quit a company she kept afloat for 6+ months where in exchange for giving them a %share of her revenue, she had the incredible chance of doing the main manager's job in her place (as officially stated by Cyberlive when they fired that manager eventually). All the while the other members (who had good starting numbers thanks to her work) used a private discord to trashtalk her in her back cf >>23034479

She more than repaid that model and computer investment, honestly anyone who would have stayed in her place would have been the dumbest mofo around

[Anonymous No.]

>>23052807
Point is Tsunderia girls didn't wanted out, Lumi wanted out

[Anonymous No.]

>>23043771
seething 2view f*moid hands typed this post

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>>23044659
>Being a female in Nijisanji is worse than being an independent
I watched an independent girl yesterday that has been vtubing for well over a year now. Never broke into double digits. No matter your biases against Niji EN, it does get you a larger base than anything that isn't Hololive.

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>>23053387
would you rather be a quasi 4view male accessory or an indie with a solid fanbase

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>>23033693
That's literally how many small vtuber startups are funded.
Dumb crypto millonaries saw the vtuber boom as a chance to build their virtual harem like their favorite animu and go for it...until they realize what they funded is not a harem and is a corpo and they do not have any idea how to handle them and just wait for a miracle or an "anime protagonist" moment to turn things around.
Stuff like that South African Vtuber startup outed as a black company because the CEO spend more time trying to groom the underage members than improving the management just show, that outside Hololive, Nijisanji and Vshojo, the western "corpo" vtuber scene is full with pseudo frat boys trying to get lucky with mid to low tier egirls, either kicking off a startup or acting as "managers" of indies. (Like for real, the amount of "managers" acting as if they were also vtubers and forcing themselves to be recognized with the people they work from the get go is annoying).

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>>23035703
Zia is where ever there are schizos.
Insanity lures him in.

[Anonymous No.]

The best small group Miori could've joined are big companies that isn't a vtuber company. Like Airasia that just debutted their new talents. Sadly, she isn't SEA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23035703
/wvt/ has some serious brainrot.

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>>23053500
Which one pays more?

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>>23053553
Sakana isn't a dumb crypto nigger wannabe ceo though.
He already had experience with business management in other industries and got the capital for phase after selling out another start up he ended with, rest of money came from chink investors.
Not a coincedence its one of the most stable and growing startups, for once there isn't a full retard in charge

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>>23053553
with the hires they were going for what most funded was a medical ward if they weren't outright trying to groom their talents

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>>23053903
> had experience with business management
>hires a 4chan reject
He sounds like a dumbass.

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>>23052807
Keep pushing the narrative envy, and it will force people to point out her siding with the pet schizo who doxxed and posted gore might be the reason everyone hated her.

It is better for everyone if everything is forgotten but that screencap is the confirmation that Melacholic was Sei.
Ask yourself, as many times as you need, if anything good for Lumi will come from bringing Sei up ever again.

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>>23054146
seethe woman, seethe.

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>>23054146
Which happens to be his biggest talent and mogs nearly all other small corpos by a wide margin.
Sounds like you might be the dumbass.
Numbers don't lie.

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>>23054146
To be fair
>4chan reject
Is basically just the entire computer scientist and engineer population.

[Anonymous No.]

/wvt/ is tall poppy syndrome in action. I hope you fags remain as 2views forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>23053500
What solid fanbase? She often gets anywhere between 0~7 viewers after over a year. 1,000 viewers is a considerable upgrade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054185
I saw those "DM leaks" and that doxx stuff seems like he was bragging about being le epic 4chan hacker but never actually got shit on anyone, spamming gore yeah who know, wasn't it some trash thread anyway? no one care about that board
point in he seems like a cringe overlord but people give him far too much credit, I'd keep someone like that around if he kept sending me thousands of dollars while he larp as some epic internet villain

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054217
>>23054236
Anyone who hires someone like that isn’t looking to be a better company at all. Imagine trying to get sponsors and you have some dumb cunt repeating posts from 4chan lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054382
Tosh was the biggest show on comedy central for a few years, and he was just a /b/tard

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054217
> biggest talent
That’s very sad and pathetic but I guess that’s what pandering does for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054382
stay mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054382
Sponsors don't even know what 4chan is, they'll just see the big number and play along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045329
40% isn't that bad, as long as you get it more often.

'Sides streaming should never really be your main income source, since its so volatile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054482
>give people what they want
>people show up
No way!

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054550
>coomberbating and 4chan pandering
It doesn’t get more pathetic than that. But I guess when you’re a 2view it’s the only way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23053500
God you're fucking retarded. Going up an order of magnitude or 3 in viewers is always the right choice. I don't like or watch NijiEN but I am 1000% sure you don't have to be a male assessor if you don't want to be, whatever that fucking means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054302
>>23053387
I watch an indie who has like 5 to 12 viewers, had even less for months before, and she :
- is a talented singer (with actual choir experience and able to sing opera), she releases covers, some on viewer request
- does handcam knitting streams, she even knitted the mascot of another vtuber friend of her
- has pretty extensive knowledge and curiosity about really a lot of topics, she even did "tour" visit of some cities showing the interresting places and giving anecdotes
- has many passions she loves to talk about in details, typically Japanese fashion and its use and influence in manga/games like Shugo chara, Umineko and more

Granted she had shit internet for a while so streams used to buffer regularly, but still, you can really stay a 0view forever even when you have things going for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054621
I'm glad Pippa is living proof that being a 4chan vtuber is not only viable, but can lead to genuine success.
I'm also glad having to acknowledge this fact pisses you off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054775
>can barely carry a conversation to save her life
>literally goes radio silent in streams and others have to carry
>can’t think of any form comedy that doesn’t involve 4chan
About what I expected from someone that comes from here 0 social skills and the same 4 jokes were living the dream with her alright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23053553
If you think corpos like Phase Connect fall under that umbrella you could hardly be more wrong, he's first and foremost a business man with experience managing companies, and it shows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K205OFTa0w&t=2872s
Sakana's interview with Urara was honestly very interesting and showed he's not some crypto clown throwing money at anime girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054912
She's doing really well with Lisa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054948
>he's a real business man who handles real businesses
that sounds like something a 8 year old would say when playing house. it also means essentially nothing, my cousin runs a restaurant chain and is the most incompetent fuck who's ever existed, the only reason he hasn't gone bankrupt is because his mom and dad are able to pay it off with their dying retirement money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034288
you nigger is why this board is shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054271
wvt has not been any kind of defined group of people for more than a year anon, it's literally just western indies, from all sides of internet, some using the thread some not and just talked about, there are more circles and subgroups than you can count and most unrelated, it really makes little sense to talk about them as a group of people

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054912
God it feels so good for having your kin making it to the scene while others like (you) mald about it. It would be funnier if you were a struggling 2view vtuber yourself. Please tell me you're a chuuba. I want to laugh at your plight

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034283
>just to be another dime a dozen seiso idol bitch with extreme restrictions on who she's allowed to interact with
Don't worry, nothing would be stopping her from interacting with holostars!

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055064
>can’t think of a argument
>YOU MUST BE A VCHUBA TOO THATS THE ONLY EXPLANATION
Every single time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054146
Seems like you're the retard for beleiving random shit you see on 4chan while he's smart enough to look at reality and get the driving force who kept her company alive for months and has been inclining the whole time

Whatever narrative you spam in /trash/ is irrelevant especially against numbers and verifiable facts

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055064
Funny thing is, "making it to the scene" is an understatement.
>Lumi used to be the biggest talent in CL
>explicitly panders to 4chan
>Pippa is the biggest talent in PC
>explicitly panders to 4chan
>Mio used to be the biggest talent in tsunderia
>would sometimes read the /tsun/ threads while streaming
Anyone that thinks being a 4chan user is a debuff must be some brand of retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055016
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055122
>argument
>implying
yeah thanks for telling me that you're a massive faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054146
>>23054508
>>23054948
>>23055177
No you don't understand he literally hired EVIL incarnate he just DESTROYED his own company and the livehood of many girls with this decision
https://streamable.com/tx54cw
She admitted it herself!!! Someone do something, please!

[Anonymous No.]

>>23045449
>most of those are chink femoids waiting for a male to appear out of nowhere.
The absolute state of holobrony tourism
>no one expect people to appears in finana gacha shit streams
>bunch of male were streaming already at the same time

also she had 1k watching for most of this stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055444
trips of truth, who is gonna stop the big bad of vtubers, the puppet master of schizos, the modern Catherine II! And her noble pets no less than the modern Count Grigory Orlov and Grigory Potemkin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055234
At least you tried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23053500
Implying women would be unhappy being accessory to sucessful male coworkers while getting literally 1000 more viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055016
Funnily enough Sakana mentioned before that he had a restaurant that went bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055852
He's probably literally my cousin, i wouldn't be surprised. he's even half chinese. he's also a sex pest pedo, so lots of parallels with fishboy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055803
>implying

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055852
A third of restaurants go bankrupt in their first years, especially if it's your first company it's really common.

[Anonymous No.]

>CLfag
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>23055231
I just hate 4chan and all vtubers who come here from 0views up to 5views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056140
Then leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23033090
yeah, your oshi, on me

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054948
>>23055016
The initial investment money for Phase Connect came from Sakana and his cofounder's pockets, they had a tech startup that was bought out for 16 million maple bucks and I believe right now his cofounder is an executive at the company that bought out their tech startup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056197
>The America argument on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056470
Well that does sound like a pretty solid background especially compared to what you find in term of vtuber corpo CEO

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056476
You don't own anything here though.
You lose nothing by leaving. You're here because you like 4chan. That's a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056590
None of the holos or nijis are on this shitheap and they do better than almost every vtuber not named Hal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056781
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054757
name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23054185
Look at how they cower in fear when it's shown that Cyberlive save for Chapipi and Emma are just bitches behind the scenes.
Their only defence desperately being "muh sei/melancholic!!!" schizo as if it's some weird catch all gotcha that spamming gore on a trash thread is all they need to explain why their oshis are reprehensibly high school peddling two-faced whores.
Lumi was retarded keeping him around sure despite de-modding him but that's all you drones have while it's very clear your oshis are just spiteful cunts, get real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056542
Honestly not really tech company is vastly different to a service company. In a tech company all they're doing is trying to find some special idea to sell off and immediately cash out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034479
>Imaging holding a private discord with everyone
>everyone
I Don't see spic fairy on that screencap, was she part of it too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056781
you sound retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034494
So, they basically just have knockoff Korone and third gen left?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056781
>None of the holos or nijis are on this shitheap
Oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.]

>>23057130
I keep forgetting she exists, Seina is just her own thing so I doubt she has much to do with anything either which turns out is a good call from how the others act frankly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056542
>>23057042
PRISM is the same, only the boss invested in both in his chuba company and NFTs at the same time after selling his start up. Also based in Japan instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23057168
And my boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23057130
>>23057203
I like her but can’t watch her because she keeps pandering to her spic audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034283
>she's very attached to her character and said she'd only join a big corpo if they let her keep her model
if hololive invites her she'll throw her model in the trashcan

[Anonymous No.]

>>23034006
>And by Old Internet, I meant the 2000s, not the 2010s.
Orla is a 2010s /v/ermin

[Anonymous No.]

>>23056965
If everywhere you go everyone hates you, the problem normally lies with you. If it was only Sei it might be one thing but this is not the first time she has been on a situation like this. Hylo is no longer an statistical outlier, there is a pattern now. If something happens once it might never happen again, but something that happens twice will happen a third time.

Also. what does it say about yourself when you surround yourselves with beings like these?
I expect Sei to turn against Lumi soonish anyway and then she will see herself what happens when you lay with schizos.

Now, of course, I do not expect the fans of Lumi to drop her no matter what happens. They will defend each and everyone of her actions no matter how stupid. You are enablers and the one that will eventually bring her own downfall.
The problems she had with Cyberlive she will also have in Phase Connect and everywhere she goes for the rest of her life unless she changes, and she will not. Deep down you know this too.
It is very hard to drop people you like because they start doing wrong things. Lumi was not able to pass this test, it takes character to throw people under the bus, character that she pretends to have but that in the end everyone knows is a facade. I do not expect Lumi audience to be able to do it either, so I will just wait till you all start calling Pippa a bitch too when it inevitably happens once more.

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>>23035785
>especially on VOD style content which is what YT is built on.
Honestly, kind of, Vtubers are still 99% just a different type of streamer, there doesn't seem to be a lot of Vtubers that do normal Youtube content just with vtuber models instead

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>>23056965
Poor chips, how do i save her?

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>>23057130
Neither her nor chapipi was in there

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>>23057493
>everywhere you go
... so everywhere is literally just Cyberlive? Damn, Cyberlive is literally the universe then, no wonder Lumi was a star

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>>23057493
You're making up a "pattern" out of literally one instance made up of unconfirmed rrats... your meds anon

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>>23057493
>if it stinks of shit a 2nd time then it's not others that stink of shit!!
This is the most bizarre rrat i've seen you retards peddle of all things, there's been no "second time" like seriously do you even realise that gen2 were scouted and already involved with gen1 behind the scenes since the start of Gen1 yeah? Oh you didn't? Well fucking christ anon good to know youre grifter that wasn't with Cyber from the start to learn this shit so youre working on the wrong end of facts!
Nigga it's also public knowledge that Hylo is the fuck that was spreading garbled shit behind the scenes, she even got reprimanded for it by indies when she got exposed for doing that shit again after she went indie, beforehand she even got Yuri involved until she actually spoke to Lumi and learned the truth of shit if you simply look at the timelines between Hylo hiatuses and the stuff of Yuri and Hylo no longer being friends during october.
And guess who's best friends with Hylo since the start, oh Inori and Menace? fucking big surprise there whoooaaaa.
Critical thinking you dumb cunt, stop believing the shit your oshi whispers into your ear like a sweet nothing. It's getting tiresome listening to you drones peddle the Sei garbage and this misinformed "stink of shit" argument that's factually incorrect.
You don't need to stop watching the Cyberlive girls but don't enter the ring of this discussion when you actually don't know shit about what happened.
t.Cyberlive historian
cunt

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>>23034227
Because, if successful management becomes relevant. Hololive gen 1 was a lot like tsunderia, except everyone stayed even though they got almost 0 management support.

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>>23057931
based

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>>23057931
The retarded debut perks like 400$ for a discord date were also Hylo ideas, she was already doing this before as an indie

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>>23033885
So basically the owner is treating vtubing as a passive income strategy? Lmao. He must have ran out of fucks to give or something if he's that hands off.

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>>23057954
You are a moron if you think Hololive provided 0 support to gen 0 and 1. They may have made mistakes, but they most certainly were there struggling with the talents.

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>>23057931
Based but where have you been in the last month... I gave up trying to re-establish those facts in front of the nonstop rain of misinformed shit most of Menace gosling's have been spreading around the board

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>>23058314
you and me anon... at some point even replying to point out some obvious incoherence is just making it worse

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>>23033090
I'm surprised Tsunderia went as long as it did. They get pretty bad metrics and they've been around long enough where a better company would be working to boost those numbers. I started to tune out after Kana left but I always got the feel that the company was very laissez-faire and let these teenage and young adult girls blindly paw their way around the vtubing landscape sink or swim. If you're going to own a company, really the least you can do is put in a little fucking work. Don't leave your employees to figure everything out on their own, then have the audacity to take a big chunk of their income.

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Sorry, I'm still stuck on >>23056781 being possibly the most critically incorrect person on this entire board, let alone this thread.

I want that post framed in an ornate frame with a plaque stating "Most Incorrect /vt/ Sister" or something, with Masterpiece Theater's theme playing in the background.

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>>23058205
The thing he cares most about is YuGiOh cards

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>>23058415
Ironically they started doing a lot better after Kana and Ria left and were on the up and up until all this happened.

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>>23058205
The world isn't ready for vtuber slumlords.

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>>23055039
holoboard, seethe about it

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>>23058446
Honestly, based. Hands-on managers that don't know what they're doing are possibly the worst sort of manager.

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>>23058627
Did they now? Because I was watching when Ria left and it was a big hit to the moral of most girls and was felt in viewership for a while as understandably tuning it for therapy session number 6 of meru wasn't the most exciting thing.
Old stuff but I remember some kids completely unaware about vtubers try to figure out who was Ria because of this clip https://streamable.com/tupd53 back then, since it was a touchy subject for them and the youtuber in question has about 30 millions subs

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>>23057493
Bro Lumi is doing constant collabs with Phase connect girls now and getting along with them while she has never done a personal 1:1 collab with any of the girls at Cyberlive despite being their manager and dai-senpai for 8 months.

It's not Lumi's problem but the Cyberlive girls problem of being bitches.

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>>23058314
I've been here and there and tried to have fun with it a little so this information was more palatable but in the end it just wasn't worth it.
Since the /yumi/ split /clg/ was just all goobers that have no actual context of Cyberlive's history since they came in with gen2 mostly so they won't listen to anyone that may contradict them. That general is lost, there's no point in informing them when all they do is shit out sei/melancholic rrats ad hominin to ""counter"" verifiable history since most of the original /clg/ posters are gone.
I wish the chapipi posters luck, genuinely.
The only thing is I won't let their misinformed shit permeate into other threads if I see it, I just don't always see it obviously.

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>>23052807
>used a private discord
That's actually a group DM.

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>>23059056
Indeed this is correct (although I don't think it changes much to the whole thing)

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>>23058971
The /clg/ oldfags are now all in /pcg/ anyway.

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>>23058971
as a Vsinger enthusiast mostly, I was a big fan of Chapipi and Lumi so this all has been quite heartbreaking. I had some interest in Inori karaokes but not enough to make it worth dealing with all the bs sadly...

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>>23058957
This goes true of Yuri too, outside of Lumi her collabs were almost entirely absent, now she's exploded inside PC.

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>>23048988
>>23052807
Lumi pissed everyone off and acted like the victim. Probably because of Sei/Melancholic and trying to defend him.

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>>23058957
They didn't want to be alone with Lumi because of the Sei/Melancholic shit.

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>>23060191
>>23060346
Hey Goobers thanks for joining us again with your coordinated effort, please read >>>23057931
and fuck off

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>>23059347
There's no BS anymore, Lumi will shit things up in PC because of Sei, and Cyberlive will continue on.

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>>23060191
No, newfag, please stay contained in clg or see >>23057931 but I imagine it's too long for your at attention span

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>>23047142
15M$ isn't cheap

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>>23060441
I know you're shitposting but there are actually some people who believe this kind of schizo shit in this board

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>>23056781
> Moona
> Treerat
> Mori
> Laplus (JP version)
> Michael Gato (JP version)
> Pekora (JP version)

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>>23061461
More than that in Holo.
Not even considering NijiEN yet.

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>>23034494

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>>23034673
>sold the rights to those models to Nijisanji/Hololive
rrat?

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>>23034451
>Only problem is that she will probably not get to collab with Jelly anymore.
Good thing that Hololive Nepotism is a thing

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>>23034186
Do you want to see my Yu-Gi-Oh cards?

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>>23054550
>give people what they want
>people show up
>No way!
If small corpos did that they wouldn't be failing

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>>23034283
Miori is gonna try getting in niji or holive solely to shut up her parents who are also definetly going back now about trying to force her to quit vtubing as a whole.

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>>23062655
Bae better work her nepotism privilege to get both Mio and Moon Jelly in.

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>>23034283
They graduated fron MyHolo right as Holo Council audition ended pretty much, yet marika got in