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22693335 No.22693335 [Reply] [Original]

Why does Cover nerf themselves? They're the most popular vtuber company in the world with connections to the best artist and biggest talent pools but they keep on being just "good enough." Is there some 5d chess plan yagoo has that we're not seeing?

>> No.22693416
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22693416

>but the numbers!
If your oshi doesn't stream, her number is 0.

>> No.22693467

This is how most Japanese IPs are managed. They hit something big and then stagnate with no ideas on how to move on to something better. See: most of Nintendo's series.

>> No.22693660

Japs are incapable of innovation. It's actually pathetic.

>> No.22694476

So long as your dominance isn't under threat, keeping your audience content is a way better strategy than keeping it hyped.

>> No.22694867

>>22693467
addendum fromsoft.

>> No.22695590

>>22694476
Considering covid is ending i wouldn't be surprised if hololive goes back to being a niche 2view company

>> No.22695955

>>22693335
Because they don't have any real threat/rival to move their ass out!

Yagoo is just sitting with his ass while the (weeb )money pours in.

>> No.22696030

>>22693335
Need a ruthless businessman CEO

>> No.22696352

>>22696030

It would be extremely based if Elon Musk started a vtuber company

>> No.22696369

The fuck is up with all these schizo threads today? There is always a steady flow of schizo threads around /here/, but to have multiple of them, all with different schizo content behind them feels like there's been a breakout in the mental asylum
Does Vox's 600k celebration set you niggers into a frenzy or something? Is there a shortage on meds?

>> No.22696467 [DELETED] 

>>22696369
cope.

>> No.22696475 [SPOILER] 

Elon Musk can plan buying Cover Corp instead, after he’s done with Twitter and Man United and then them LOL.

>> No.22696657

>>22693335
Typical japanese company, if they get money they dont care about thinking how to get more. For example uma musume, a game that makes a lot of money, could make even more with just an English client.
Talking about vtubers, Niji never considered a EN branch until Myth debuted. And after luxiem success holo wants a male gen..... Japanese companies are always on the verge of doing a totally retard move.

>> No.22699210

>>22693467
>>22696657
Japanese sees a business as a source of living instead of source of income.
In western model, people build a business to gain a quick profits and use that profit to diversify their business in case their first business fails.
Japanese build a business to last decades even generations. So if they can be profitable, then it's enough. They will try to maintain their current business instead of diversifying.
That's why Japanese products tends to be higher in quality but the company earn less profits than western influenced products.

>> No.22699527

>>22693335
It's the combination of being a company and being japanese. Everything goes through 5 different hoops of out of touch management, they ban cool things that could be risky and take 3 months to approve something.

>> No.22699665

>>22699210
Part of this is totally different corporate laws and culture if they were an American business thy would leverage everything take advantage of low interest loans have divisions and if some don't work out they could declare various forms of bankruptcy fire people and collect large severances and go get better CEO jobs, in japan since it's much more costly to downsize such things can lead to worse spirals and a air of failure and scandal for whoever takes the blame which is mitigated if you seemed to be making conservative choices, then it's just the markets fault

>> No.22699690

>>22693335
>They're the most popular vtuber company in the world
Looks like they truly are good enough, then. Why should they change?

>> No.22700011

>>22693335
>Cover
Who? Probably some irrelevant midgets

>> No.22700154

>>22693335
wtf are you talking about?

>> No.22700326

They don't need to innovate at all. As long as Holos constantly lives rent free on the so called competition. The current formula works, why the fuck would Cover take risks? Let the other niggers fail at trying new stuff.

>> No.22700572

>>22699690
one of the most famous fables in the world is literally about a quick ass rabbit that gets beaten by a turtle because the rabbit got complacent with his lead

>> No.22700608

>>22693335
because they're a business not a charity

>> No.22701518

>>22700572
You could just as well argue that cover is the turtle, since they're going going slow and steady instead of trying to take unnecessary risks.

>> No.22701882

>>22699690
Because I'm getting bored, maybe if vtubing as a medium was actually engaging this board wouldn't look like the virtual equivalent of an asylum.

>> No.22702062

>>22700326
This. Plus, if anything succeeds, Cover has enough money to just replicate it, and get the chuuba of their choice called "LA CREATIVIDAD" in the process.
Condolences to the indies trying new shit, but the person with money always wins. Tesla VS Edison.

>> No.22702351

>>22702062
That made me think about how the holos seem to always be bandwagoning instead of trying new things first (which gets called innovative by the ones who don't check out outside of hololive but that's another topic). Now i really get it. It's sad but it's a better business move.

>> No.22702541

>>22701882
nobody cares about you

>> No.22703748

>>22702351
permissions are hell bro

>> No.22703794
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22703794

>>22702351
it used to be different

>> No.22703852

>>22702351
Being the big guy in the yard has its perks, but you are also the big guy in the yard. Every uppity little faggot is going to be looking for a chance to shank you.

>> No.22704084

>>22693467
Nintendo's kept its IPs at the forefront for longer that most people here have been alive, what are you smoking?

>> No.22704515

>>22693335
To make this shit bait thread at least somewhat useful, why don't you (or anyone else who actually holds that opinion) tell us yourself WHAT EXACTLY it is you want Cover to do instead?

Because there are lots of stupid things that don't really do anything and would only run the franchise into the ground. (For example, I'm already apprehensive about their stupid metaverse game project, which looks to me like white elephant vaporware waste of resources that would better be spent on directly helping the talents directly. If Cover wants to get into gaming, they can just partner up with already existing popular games instead and put out collab cards/skins/etc instead. It costs them nothing and is essentially free advertising).

As for why they operate the way they do - the simplest explanation is most often the accurate one: because it has worked (so far). Why should they do "better" (which again no one has defined what that even actually means in practice) when just "good enough" has already given them market dominance. There's simply no incentive to improve.
Most responsible for this is the fanbase and what they (continue) to accept - as long as they show up and donate etc to what is (in your opinion) substandard content, why should Cover change? Their brand power is so strong by now they could debut a silent cardboard png tommorrow and as long as it has the coveted blue triangle next to their name, fans would give it a six figure subcount right out of the gate.

They'd only move and change/"improve" things if someone/thing new really threatened or actually overtook them and they'd have to adapt and up their game to stay competitive. And there's not really something like that on the horizon yet, so they're safe to stagnate.

>> No.22704571

>>22704084
There's not been much major innovation in Nintendo's core IPs for the past decade, just iterations. The Switch Starter Pack of BotW & SMO were very strong iterations, but nothing particularly new for game design as a whole, just really well refined versions of ideas that came before.
Nintendo is not the trendsetter anymore. They haven't been since at least the Gamecube days, and many would argue before that.

>> No.22704700

>>22704571
you can't deny they tried with the DS and to a certain extent with the WiiU and their games made full use of the new functions, but the other companies producing for their consoles many times didn't bother as much. so it's not like they didn't try something new but that it didn't catch.

>> No.22704930

>>22693335
So tell me what kind of a new things did you want??
Send a Hololive Capsule to space so Alien can learn about Vtuber?? BAKA..

>> No.22705143

>>22704700
Yeah, they are trying, but mostly in terms of peripherals, which is where Nintendo's executives think the real innovation lies: not in the games we play, but how we play them. I can't say that's untrue (VR and AR have been catching fire in recent years despite existing in some form or another for more than 30 years), but it's certainly been leaving their core game IPs to be a bit stale outside of the "hey look at how we use the new tech we made". People don't like drastic change.
Nintendo's right, though. Gyro aim has been getting more and more popular, and they did it for a literal decade before games on other platforms started taking it seriously. I'd consider that a win for the "how we play > what we play" camp.

>> No.22705193

>>22705143
The Kirby game was a pretty impressive innovation in terms of the IP.

>> No.22705423

>>22693467
U say that as if BoTW didnt sell consoles and reinvented itself As if marika isn't the number 1 competitive racing game. As if Pokémon didn't get an entire live action movie by Hollywood.
Anon you have no idea what you are talking about and is buying into your residential twitch whore viewpoint of Nintendo bad without critical thinking aren't you.

>> No.22705661

>>22705423
NTA but I don't think you realize how much outliers like BotW are on the macro level of Nintendo's offerings. Also, you extrapolated "Nintendo bad" out of the description of typical Japanese business policy of "don't bother changing if it's still profitable", which is not only a false accusation, but also ignores the conversation just above your post going into the finer details.
tl;dr: Eat shit and die.

>> No.22710553

>>22693335
Japanese companies don't subscribe to the american model of endless growth.

>> No.22712848

>>22693335
Holosummer returning would be a huge buff

>> No.22713007

>>22693335
Games, expect them.

>> No.22713085

>hire shit talents for EN2
>boring as fuck Elden Ring spam
>horrible management for EN
>assets and models are only average, with terrible rigging
I guess all that matters is tribalism, not quality.

>> No.22713203

>>22710553
Apparently japanese companies spend all their money on failed anime projects and gacha game spinoffs

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