why are vtweeters always like this?

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Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:30:26 2022 No.22352023 [Reply] [Original]

why are vtweeters always like this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:31:13 2022 No.22352040 >>22352023 >I find it funny that No one's laughing bitch

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:31:21 2022 No.22352046 >>22352023 Where is the lie though?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:32:22 2022 No.22352080 >>22352040 She finds your seething funny too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:32:36 2022 No.22352094 >>22352023 She has a point. Corpo models are low effort

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:33:38 2022 No.22352126 She's not wrong. We live in a societt where the number one vtuber has a rhombus for a face.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:34:03 2022 No.22352134 >>22352126 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:36:16 2022 No.22352191 Makes a good point though: Model quality is overrated above a certain baseline, even top tier tech is just going to get you temporary attention at most. The order of importance is rm > design >>>>> rigging

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:36:47 2022 No.22352203 File: 1.56 MB, 1200x1546, 1629163687028.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can Indies ever compete

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:37:10 2022 No.22352212 >>22352191 This desu

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:41:15 2022 No.22352324

>>22352023
Nobody cares about Amerimutt Vtwatter. They literally have no influence on the Japanese industry. i find it funny that Amerimutts believe they are always recognised as the prioritised audience by Japanese companies. Amerimutt subhumans only thinks a subhuman way

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:41:24 2022 No.22352333 >>22352023 The whole thread is a circlejerk https://twitter.com/paranormaIsite/status/1514042307779178501?s=20&t=FeGvYsUL3whKQU2js4eeaw

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:43:16 2022 No.22352381 >>22352191 This. Veibae's new model has amazing rigging, but the design isn't great which really drags it down - and that she is good at entertaining her target audience is what matters most, in the end.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:46:38 2022 No.22352481 Seems kinda hard to upgrade the models of the 68 Vtuber models your company owns. It'll probably take forever to upgrade to 3.0, but I'll forgive them if they make the "feet on the table" a normal feature

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:57:24 2022 No.22352744

>>22352023
She's not wrong. All the artists complaining that Vei's new model raises the bar too much just have to take a look at hololive. Hololive is proof that you don't need a state of the art model to do great. 2views can't blame their lack of success on not having a model with physics and a million features. You don't need it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:59:35 2022 No.22352800 Can Holos still not even pin objects to their models?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:00:30 2022 No.22352824 I unironically prefer PNGTubers

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:04:04 2022 No.22352923 >>22352126 Soul > all It’s like graphics fags all over again

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:04:20 2022 No.22352928 >>22352800 Probably something to do with copyrighted assets or something, then again if that was the case they could just make or buy their own assets so the talents can use them from a library. So it's probably just laziness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:04:31 2022 No.22352934 >>22352800 Probably not, at least they're not doing it. Seems like Cover doesn't think it's important.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:08:11 2022 No.22353033 >>22352023 There's no value in upgrading the likes of Mel or Choco

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:09:05 2022 No.22353054 >>22352923 NOOOOOOOOOOO GRAPHICS CARSD ARE TOO EXPENSIVE I HOPE SOXL GOES TO ZERO SO I CAN BUY MORE BEEPS FOR MY BING BING WAHOO

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:09:44 2022 No.22353078 >>22352023 >I find it funny This 2view shitposts /here/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:11:28 2022 No.22353125 >>22352023 Wow I sure love these models that look like shit but can spin their heads 360 degrees. It's no surprise these people will forever remain seething 2views.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:13:41 2022 No.22353165 >>22352023 >Hey guys look at my awesome rigging! >Oh, yeah that's pretty cool. >Right!? >Ok, now what? >Uuuh...let's react to some videos or something I guess...?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:15:06 2022 No.22353201

>>22352923
this, the most technically impressive vtuber by a fucking country mile is what's her name. codemiko. who has the personality of cardboard thus nobody gives a fuck about other than "oooh look at that tech." same thing for if you have an amazing model but shit voice/personality/taste/attitude.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:20:51 2022 No.22353352

>>22353201
Also, that's not to say that you can have an MSpaint pngtuber and become a star off that either, I mean if your model is actually-ugly that isn't gonna help. It's just not hard to make a passable-looking one and as long as it's decently cute then you rapidly get diminishing returns for the caliber of design vs all the other criteria people judge on.

Coco spent like 10k for her Kson model for example. She was already well known for her fun personality before that despite the actual Holo Coco model looking pretty crappy with utterly crap rigging; its mouth couldn't even close for most of Coco's career. But that didn't really matter vs what she actually brought to the table content wise. Yet with her super-fancy, hot, amazingly-rigged Kson model, she is scraping by on like 2k viewers these days as an indie without the Holo name/panache to it. Which, makes sense for someone whose most famous content is collabs generally - she as a solo streamer (or constantly palling around with random 2views) isn't as good a package as Coco was.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:21:54 2022 No.22353378 How Hololive can even compete with THIS? https://twitter.com/yozorameguru02/status/1514166567306608643

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:30:10 2022 No.22353566 Then its impressive how Hololive became the best vtuber agency with shit models. It must be their personality which unfortunately you seething 2views dont have ;(

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:30:19 2022 No.22353570 >>22353378 cute

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:38:12 2022 No.22353749 >>22353378 >no independent jiggle physics disgusting

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:42:28 2022 No.22353846 >>22352381 her new model is shit because there's a disconnect with how sophisticated the body is but the style of the face is still this basic anime face

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:45:15 2022 No.22353912 >>22353378 Those breasts aren't moving right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:48:07 2022 No.22353968 >>22352023 I don't see what's wrong with this tweet. It's true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:48:38 2022 No.22353981 >>22352928 Their app can't do it and they wouldn't let the EN members use vtuber studio or similar to achieve that, because it wouldn't be consistent with all members.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:52:03 2022 No.22354082 >>22353566 Hololive became the best because they got in early. All of EN with the exception of Gura because of her past would be 2-3 views if they weren't boosted by brand power. You can't tell me you would watch Ina if she weren't in Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:53:52 2022 No.22354122 >>22354082 (me) Because there are plenty of Ina type indie 2 views out there who didn't get lucky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:56:24 2022 No.22354178 >>22354122 Neck yourself niggerfaggot holotrannie holobronie cuck trannie.

>>	FDA Wed Apr 13 10:57:11 2022 No.22354197 >>22352023 westies chase the money while based japanese retain soul by just making cute anime girls

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:59:16 2022 No.22354242 >>22352126 Some of the greats shows in human history never had a visual element. It's mostly just eye candy there for coomers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:59:24 2022 No.22354243 >>22352191 i have no idea who the roommate for suisei is and i still love her. don't dox your oshi faggots

>>	FDA Wed Apr 13 11:00:50 2022 No.22354271 >>22354178 literally melting in 4k

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:02:16 2022 No.22354308 >>22354243 Noone was talking about knowing who the rm is, anonchama. It's about their quality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:03:16 2022 No.22354343 >>22354242 It's a big deal, but all that matters is a bare minimum for movement to show expression. Vtubers are heavily carried by the anime aesthetic without the design they'd be bottom of the barrel streamers content wise.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:07:20 2022 No.22354436

>>22354082
Hololive did not "get in early". They started off as one of the many corpos trying to capitalize on what Ai-chan started and for the first few gens were just faces in the crowd, with particularly shoddy tech. It tooks years of content and grinding to get to the point where new branches would instantly be popular. A company becoming big through defeating the competition in a fair battle for people's attention all while using inferior tech is objectively a success story.

You know damn well if they had amazing tech 2views would be complaining that they're only popular because they have the money to afford looking good. They'd do anything to blame their own lack of success on anyone but themselves.

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Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:14:58 2022 No.22354653

>>22354436
They got in early with the global market. Even in the height of covid lock downs nijisanji was the bigger company as a whole. It wasn't until the EN market that things really skyrocketed.

And even for the JP branch it was carried by viral marketing and fubuki memes. Both of which are dead now anyways.
Hololive got successful by pandering to the English market early and that's basically it. Outside of Japan nobody knew anything except hololive.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:19:05 2022 No.22354785

>>22354436
So yes.. They were one of many to get in early and became a very successful survivor. I don't see how this refuted my point.

The initial guy I replied to blamed the personality of "seething" 2views for not being successful which is may be true for some. But there sure are very dull talents in Hololive who would be "seething" 2views if it weren't for the enormous brand power of Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:23:50 2022 No.22354924 >>22352333 kek just read some of it, its really sad to see failed indies self-congratulating themselves for their shit job

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:25:18 2022 No.22354967

>>22354653
A single viral marketing will bring in some numbers, but to retain and increase those, you need to actually have good and interesting contents, and keep the quality of your recruited talents. So yeah, hololive deserve their success, they truly managed to capitalize on their viral moments and keeping the momentum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:28:05 2022 No.22355055 This is what you faggots complain about everytime Gura gets a new model, why are you losing your shit now?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:28:40 2022 No.22355068

>>22354967
>a single
It was many during a point in time everyone was locked inside and bored. Many of those views they immediately lost when the EN launched and now they're coasting on brand recognition and success.

They don't deserve anything. They worked hard for it and found success. But they really didn't do anything new or are any more entertaining than the many other groups. They just happened to get lucky at an extremely opportune time. Someone had to get lucky and it happened to be them.
Unfortunately they've done jack shit with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:32:57 2022 No.22355162 >>22352023 They are seething

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:44:45 2022 No.22355539 >>22354527 only good post in this thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:52:40 2022 No.22355779 File: 173 KB, 451x395, 1649845019368.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nijis got shit models too, why is it only Hololive they shit on. Is this one of those sour grapes situation again? Jesus, this is why avoid western indies like a disease.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:55:48 2022 No.22355859 >>22355068 Oh, since there are many of such moments, surely you could list at least 5 other moments that's comparable to Fubuki scatman, a viral moments that nets them millions of views.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 12:17:55 2022 No.22356528 >Get shit model, call it soul >Get good model, flex on everyone else Don't pretend this isn't the case. We all know people will change their stances when it's convenient to their interests.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 13:13:05 2022 No.22358502

Indies really like to do this circlejerk topics against hololive to steal some fans kek, the lack of outside Collabs really makes these people mad, "LOOK AT ME INDIE FREEDOM, INDIE THRIVING I PUT OVER 10K ON THIS MODEL YOU WILL WATCH ME NOW RIGHT RIGHT?!"

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 13:16:24 2022 No.22358647 >>22355779 Hololive bad, nijisansji answered me on twitter = good

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 13:27:49 2022 No.22359129 File: 66 KB, 636x616, 1522652597413.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22352126 So your saying the number 1 vtuber should be Codemiko?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 13:31:41 2022 No.22359284 >>22352481 Dont call yourself a cutting edge tech company then. Taking a year to make 3d for holoid and holoen too, come on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 13:33:42 2022 No.22359365 >>22352040 why are you so mad

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 14:05:47 2022 No.22360882 >>22352023 >Hololive gives a whole convention to their talents >Indies quiet >Hololive models can't look to the side >"HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE HOW MUCH HOLOLIVE IS NOT INVESTING, YOU SHOULD WATCH ME INVESTING ONLY IN MYSELF

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 14:14:50 2022 No.22361265 >>22353968 /vt/ is too dumb to understand that the tweet was not meant to disparage Hololive but to make fun of people who believe live2d technology is what matters in vtubers. Twitter 1 - 4chan 0

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 14:52:13 2022 No.22362733 >>22359284 >Dont call yourself a cutting edge tech company then care to show me where they did that?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 14:57:45 2022 No.22362979
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>>22358647
Pretty much this, since the Holos rarely respond to a 2view or indies they instantly go Hololive bad and say that they don't belong in the ''Vtuber community''

That's why faggots like pic related exist, celebrating a talent who had to leave due to the biggest case of chink harrassment and sponsorship losses in Vtuber history not for the sake of her mental health but for their petty console wars.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 14:59:35 2022 No.22363045 >>22352023 2views has a point

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:18:02 2022 No.22363729

>>22352333
Lmao bunch of talentless hacks seething. The fact that Hololive is so succesful despite having worse rigs should be obvious enough that better models don't mean shit if you're actually entertaining, but they're too busy stroking their own egos to realize that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:20:53 2022 No.22363848 >>22362979 >those colors on pic You sure he's not just a wumao?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:24:58 2022 No.22364036 >>22352923 >>22354242 retards you wouldn't watch vtubers if they didn't have an anime avatar

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:30:45 2022 No.22364278 >>22362979 It looks to me like that he's happy that two vtubers he likes got to collab thanks to Coco leaving, not that Coco leaving was a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:33:38 2022 No.22364399 >>22355859 Gura's "A" and Ride on Time Korone Eekum Bokum Shuba Duck in particular took over the internet for a while.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:36:12 2022 No.22364518 >>22364278 are you illiterate or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:38:16 2022 No.22364593 File: 1.04 MB, 1200x800, 1649620151506.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The 2view is backpedalling now. Holochads stay winning >I-I'm not shitting on holos >I'm just giving credit to talented riggers

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:40:32 2022 No.22364685 >>22352023 L2d artist need to make money too and overrigging seems to be one way to get hired/ show off their skill

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:40:55 2022 No.22364698 >>22355779 >why is it only Hololive they shit on Most of them don't even know any other group and they only know hololive because it's the top dog.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:44:08 2022 No.22364821 >>22355068 Westerners are lazy whores who could have predicted this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:44:37 2022 No.22364843 >>22354082 T.Cannur

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:45:27 2022 No.22364878 >>22352023 He's right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:46:05 2022 No.22364899 One day Indies will understand that you can promote the indie scene without shitting on hololive, this only makes people hate you more

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:46:52 2022 No.22364924 This doesn’t feel like a productive thread. This thread is designed to feed someone’s mentally ill addiction to drama.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:50:19 2022 No.22365046

>>22352023
The avatar is like the wrapping on your food: important but not what you're finally consuming.

You can't wrap shit in gold foil and expect people to love it.

A simple wrapping that does its job with amazing food inside is what makes people keep coming back.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen amazing models literally wasted on unfunny, one dimensional, lame wannabe entertainers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 15:54:37 2022 No.22365222 >>22352023 Because disguising cold as your grandma's pussy takes as hot takes is the only way these bitches get any twitter clout

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:10:42 2022 No.22365986 >>22353566 Consoomer mentality. If the best peach cobbler I ever ate had a fly in it I would still complain about the fly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:14:18 2022 No.22366158 >>22353165 Vshojo in a nutshell

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:20:26 2022 No.22366456 >>22364399 Korone in general honestly was a huge meme. >WATA IN DA FIYA WHY??????? >Turtle House! Like korone and Fubuki got a lot of people interested in hololive.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:23:06 2022 No.22366581

>>22364698
This
>>22355779
I enjoy nijisanji and hololive but the problem really is that corporations put little to no effort in upgrading their models. Some have good art and terrible rigging, some have good rigging but terrible/lackluster art and some have both. Corporations suck, they may hire entertaining people but they suck

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:25:28 2022 No.22366673 >>22354243 Retard

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:29:23 2022 No.22366820
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>>22366581
They're using proprietary software is why while anyone who isn't stuck using whatever software Hololive and Nijisanji use can actually make use of new stuff. The tweet i the OP is obviously being spurred upon by Veibae's new model being the first one using a brand new program by one of the top riggers in the west right now. It also had a negative effect with a bunch of other formerly well-rigged models looking lesser by comparison but that just means that things are advancing. The big companies have either got to give up on their antiquated tech and move to a fucking $15 app on Steam with a $10 addon, or step up their game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:35:01 2022 No.22367004 >>22352191 Brand and connection >>> all

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:35:14 2022 No.22367013 >>22352023 they're not wrong, holobrony

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:38:29 2022 No.22367141 >>22366820 Based and truth pilled

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:40:21 2022 No.22367211

>>22352023
I've watched a bunch of indies with amazing avatars, but they're all boring as fuck because they think all they need is a good, cutting edge avatar to carry them; especially if it's a coomer avatar. What they don't, and will never, understand is that it doesn't matter how good your avatar is if there's nothing behind it. A good avatar alone can't carry you. And that's what sets these indies and Holos apart. Holos, despite having outdated tech, manage to be extremely entertaining and their personalities is what keeps people coming back.
This is why seeing irrelevant who 2view indies like the one in OP seethe and having to make disparaging remarks about Hololive to get some clout points in the indie scene will invariably be funny to me. Jealousy and envy are truly ugly things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:41:15 2022 No.22367246 File: 46 KB, 642x265, 1644396859153.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22366820 >Would literally just cost $15 per talent for dozens of new features and better support overall Gotta love that Japanese corporate mentality

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:41:36 2022 No.22367262 >>22366820 >step up their game can't wait to see how many new Vei clones will lose to vtubers with basic models after investing over 5k in a model

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:44:04 2022 No.22367368 >>22352023 They're not even wrong though, Live 2D artists are in arms race making models for 2views but Holos are doing just fine with older tech

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:45:55 2022 No.22367456

>>22352040
I'm laughing.
Hololive (and Nijisanji, for that matter) are very behind on their Live2D tech. Nijisanji at least has the excuse that they might have some weird proprietary rigging system that it'd be a pain to switch over from, since they do everything in house, but Hololive hires outside riggers so it can't be that far off from standard. They'd legitimately be better off just switching to Vtube Studio at this point, but with the way JP companies are they never will.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:50:12 2022 No.22367660

>>22367262
Think you've got it backwards there. Most people won't be using models that expensive when starting out because they can't afford it. It's the big streamers who can that will be doing it and they already have the audience size that competes with Hololive and Nijisanji.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:50:28 2022 No.22367670 >>22364593 >Holofags: Bad rigging doesn't matter, it's SOVL >Also Holofags: But saying Holomem have bad rigging is shitting on them Pick a lane.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 16:51:42 2022 No.22367734 >>22352023 too much and it becomes uncanny

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:00:01 2022 No.22368182 >>22367734 When has this ever been the case. The only uncanny model I can think of is Codemiko who uses something completely different from everyone else and what the OP is talking about. Everyone is doing VTube Studio and is better for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:03:08 2022 No.22368346 >>22364278 Nigga it literally says: ''Coco's graduation was a net possitive for the community'' are you retarded?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:05:40 2022 No.22368484
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>>22367660
True, but it doesn't even cost that much to get a better model than Holo or Niji. Chibidoki gets ~1k views on her streams and she has a model that far outclasses any of theirs. ShyLily went from a 2view to a 5k streamer after going viral thanks in no small part to a new model.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:05:48 2022 No.22368494 >>22366820 They don't have to step up their game really, rigging isn't that important. Going all in on rigging is like making movies that are CGI wankfests and fail at the box office.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:08:52 2022 No.22368654 >>22367211 Pretty much this, hell, subaru is one top notch entertainer and her zatsudans are amazing yet her model looks a bit rigid, that doesn't even make her less enjoyable, didn't a pngtuber became really popular recently too?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:09:52 2022 No.22368692

>>22352126
Nah, this is the literal "D000D LOOK AT THE VIDEO GAME GRAPHICS SO SICK" argument of the 2000s
Vtubing has proven if you're entertaining nobody gives a literal shit if you're a pngtuber or you have a rigging where only your mouth can move, I'd argue a live2d rigging is one of the least important aspects of vtubing
Just look at all these indies with hyped avatars (I'd argue Artemis is one of the biggest ones) then they debut and the person controlling it is a fucking wet mop in a janitor's closet

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:13:36 2022 No.22368898

>>22368346
No, are you? It's literally saying that thanks to the graduation he was able to see a collab that he thought would be impossible. It's not saying Coco was shit, it's not saying she deserved to get a graduation, it's not saying bugmen were right, it's not saying that hololive is garbage. It's saying that despite all that the overall result was positive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:16:01 2022 No.22369031 I love how tone deaf these retards are, an indie is one (1) person, these corpos have 10s or in Nijisanjis case, hundreds of people Do they think live2d implementation of new and improved movement is easy as installing a software update or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:17:09 2022 No.22369103 >>22368654 There's a dude using badly drawn picture of gorilla as his avatar.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:17:36 2022 No.22369131 >>22368898 You need to be 18+ to post here kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:17:44 2022 No.22369140 So much cope from corpo's boot lickers. have you perhaps heard about competition? That's how you do it.

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>>22363729
> Lmao bunch of talentless hacks seething. The fact that Hololive is so succesful despite having worse rigs should be obvious enough that better models don't mean shit if you're actually entertaining, but they're too busy stroking their own egos to realize that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:19:33 2022 No.22369238 >>22369140 >People talk about how people with awesome models can be shit entertainers and eternal 2views >''C-corpo bootlicker!!'' Do contrariands really?

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>>22362979
> Pretty much this, since the Holos rarely respond to a 2view or indies they instantly go Hololive bad and say that they don't belong in the ''Vtuber community''

> That's why faggots like pic related exist, celebrating a talent who had to leave due to the biggest case of chink harrassment and sponsorship losses in Vtuber history not for the sake of her mental health but for their petty console wars.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:21:14 2022 No.22369344 File: 24 KB, 493x622, 16326391749294.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >People talk about how people with awesome models can be shit entertainers and eternal 2views >''C-corpo bootlicker!!'' > Do contrariands really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:22:15 2022 No.22369410 File: 1.55 MB, 1020x879, 1637484628559.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22368692 And then you get people who are popular, do pull numbers, and have models that put Holo and Niji to shame.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:28:10 2022 No.22369738 >Hololive can't make decent 2D models >but they're going all out with 3D

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:30:47 2022 No.22369878 >>22369238 Go lick some corpocunny faggot.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:31:07 2022 No.22369901

>>22369738
I've yet to see their 3D do anything all that impressive. People talk about it all the time but it looks like just basic mocap with a solid 3D model that's not animated particularly well in the face. The equipment required to do it is a lot but the actual quality of the assets in use don't seem particularly good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:34:26 2022 No.22370079 >>22352023 holokeks malding and seething at the truth yet again

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:34:38 2022 No.22370093 >>22369410 Comparing Vei to anyone is like saying you prefer style over substance

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:36:27 2022 No.22370182 >>22369410 pic unrelated?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:37:38 2022 No.22370248 >>22370093 Whether you like her streams is irrelevant. She still one of the top western vtubers period.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:46:14 2022 No.22370690 >>22370248 Hope she see this bro, maybe you can rub one out when her and Chance's sex tape leaks

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:47:11 2022 No.22370743

>>22370248
The real example of all flash over substance is codemiko. Her tech got her a ton of popularity, but it faded when people realized how boring she was. She interviewed some of the biggest streamers of all time and still struggled to hit 3-4k after all those new viewers were again exposed to how boring she is once the shininess of the tech wears off. Her recently debuted 3.0 model is leaps and bounds above everyone else and she's still riding boosted viewers off of that, but I'd be surprised if she doesn't return to her normal numbers in a couple of months.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:52:22 2022 No.22371029 >>22353378 With someone who has breasts around this size irl. They do not bounce like this and they do not FLOAT UP LIKE GRAVITY IS PULLING THEM UPWARDS. They literally look like fake tits..

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:53:52 2022 No.22371124 >>22369410 >Vei she was literally on decline before the new model, we shall see if she can make people stay with this coomer desperation

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:54:31 2022 No.22371159 >>22370743 i feel like codemiko herself would agree that her appeal is her tech to be honest senpai she doesnt even consider herself a vtuber

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:55:00 2022 No.22371182 >>22370743 I hate that bitch so much, and she dares to call herself a vtuber

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:57:14 2022 No.22371288 >>22369131 This is how you concede an argument on /vt/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:00:10 2022 No.22371426 >>22362733 I give you that the wording is different but it's still in Yagoo's Twitter bio "We provide the most advanced virtual entertainment experience from Japan."

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:01:38 2022 No.22371495 >>22371124 The only decline Vei was on recently was throughout most of Feb and early March, and that was because the dual assault of Mouse and ShyLily's subathons had literally all Twitch vtubers take a hit in views.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:12:38 2022 No.22371990 >>22352126 More of a parallelogram really

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:14:06 2022 No.22372070 >>22364036 Obviously not because then they wouldn't be a vtuber

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:14:11 2022 No.22372074 File: 18 KB, 441x577, 1649631430717.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are they so based?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:15:13 2022 No.22372115 >>22352023 Charlie Chaplin >>>>>>>> any attempt of comedy in modern media

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:19:39 2022 No.22372297 >>22354122 Ina is the greatest art streamer on Earth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:20:14 2022 No.22372323 >>22367670 Being wrong about the insult doesn't negate the intent to insult someone. Why are there so many of these retarded "pick one" posts lately?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:20:52 2022 No.22372351 >>22352126 you live in a societt, I live in a society

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:25:33 2022 No.22372575 >>22359284 Pretty sure they had those 3D models ready since forever, they just couldn't use them due to travel restrictions. You can use Gen 5 debut and 3D debut as reference which was about 5 months for their 3D debuts to come out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:26:26 2022 No.22372615 I mean they aren’t wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:27:45 2022 No.22372684 >>22353201 > personality of cardboard Gura has the personality of a paper bag so what exactly is your point here?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:28:05 2022 No.22372695

You know, you don't have to be so comically defensive of EVERYTHING Hololive related. Hololive's tech and live2d specifically isn't that good. It's just a fact, and something they could improve on. It doesn't change that Hololive is still the top dog. You don't have to defend literally everything about the company with cultist zeal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:28:58 2022 No.22372746 >>22372074 She immediately backpedaled and wrote a novel long tweets to apologize.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:32:05 2022 No.22372885 >>22372695 This, it's not the "Girls" fault. It's cover for being outdated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:32:13 2022 No.22372889 >>22352923 damn how you liking pokemon bro

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:35:43 2022 No.22373033 >>22372695 and a vtweeter could not LARP as someone with a personality and actually stream, but that "debut" is just gonna keep getting pushed back and is "indefinitely delayed" i suppose

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:39:00 2022 No.22373170 >>22353378 I will now follow your Chuuba

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:40:34 2022 No.22373227 >>22355779 >wah what about them wah why Hololive wah stop talking about Hololive wah

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:42:03 2022 No.22373287

>>22373227
he's right, Nijisanji has 1 rigger they use company wide, and their models are stiff as dogshit and have to go through 2 or 3 iterations to even show emotions after years
people only know hololive so they shit on "the company" when Hololive employs like 10+ different riggers contractually on a by model basis

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:44:06 2022 No.22373383 >>22373287 I’m just curious why everyone in this thread grew a pussy all of sudden. Someone doesn’t talk about another group and you instantly start crying about whataboutisms.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:45:39 2022 No.22373457

>>22373287
Also Hololive has 10+ riggers but only 2 are good and one of them is complete dog shit but somehow keeps getting hired I guess because Yagoo is their father or something or they’re a family member. Imagine seeing what happened to Anya and Gura and thinking “yeah let’s hire them AGAIN”

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:46:53 2022 No.22373508 >>22369031 No but shork should definitely be able to turn more than 12 degrees without looking like she's mentally retarded. That was already possible long ago and it hurts to see big corp go more half assed than EA or Activision.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:48:22 2022 No.22373570 File: 49 KB, 955x1129, l47facgd15571.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] KEEP MY COMPANY'S NAME OUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:54:30 2022 No.22373816

>>22373287
Number of riggers doesn't matter if they're not given enough time to actually do a good job. Even worse there's no reason to not give the rigger the time to do a better job in Hololive's case since they're not debuting new talents every month. At least Niji has that as an excuse for the rush jobs. Cover is just fucking cheap in that regard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:55:50 2022 No.22373868 >>22373816 Who fucking cares?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:56:26 2022 No.22373894 >>22373816 why do you care?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:57:59 2022 No.22373958 File: 394 KB, 700x630, 1633646922472.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22373868 >>22373894 The better question is: Why don't you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:58:24 2022 No.22373978 >>22373868 >>22373894 How do you go from whining about Nijisanji rigging then saying who cares when someone points out Hololive rigging?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:09:21 2022 No.22374427
File: 259 KB, 1200x906, 1200px-Gold_panning_at_Bonanza_Creek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>High Range Rigging: 1.5x the price!
Come on, reserve your slot today. It's just like the gold rush, vendors making money off these prospectors. Now every 0view thinks their never-to-debut anime fursona needs this to compete

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:50:40 2022 No.22376100 "vtweeters" are the underage retards with soccer player profile pictures who say retarded shit ad nauseum like "ratio" of the vtuber fandom

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:54:24 2022 No.22376264 >>22352800 Niji can't either. It's so off-putting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 20:18:03 2022 No.22377166 File: 1.03 MB, 850x1117, 1648722348339.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I dont get why you fags act like you can only be entertaining OR have a good model. You can and should have both.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 20:39:09 2022 No.22378022 >>22354527 rofl

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:01:02 2022 No.22379000 >>22369410 Lol coomer thinks vei model looks good kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:04:44 2022 No.22379165 >>22352023 Yeah but theyre still 2views at the end of the day lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:05:56 2022 No.22379213 File: 2.49 MB, 1920x1080, 1649108739383.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22379000 >Being this much of a contrarian not very pog of you

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:07:38 2022 No.22379296 >>22372074 >>22372746 Career ended before it even started lmaooo

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:08:32 2022 No.22379333

I don't understand this movement to push the bounds of live2d. in practice sure it looks pretty good but a well rigged 3d model seems like it would produce the same effect in a more straightforward way with additional benefits like better limb movement and increased range of motion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:48:05 2022 No.22380930 Someone has that webm with snuffy and subaru side to side?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:48:45 2022 No.22380956 >>22373287 >Nijisanji has 1 rigger they use company wide Source?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:56:46 2022 No.22381327

>>22352023
Most (not all) have always been and will always be just talentless wannabe influencers who think being addicted to twitter is a job and now are putting an anime model on to play games.

Some people takes vTubing seriously and they often get accepted into a corpo or make a successful indie career. The rest of them that are doing it to feel like they're not unemployed and uneducated will be readily and easily forgotten.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:01:06 2022 No.22381522

>>22352023
They need to be easily and readily usable across the world through potato PCs and shitty internet without having too much of a delay for collabs.

It's one thing to have a super cool looking model in your personal PC that only you use, and an entirely different one to have it on every talent and staff people's phone and PC.

These people have a very limited PoV as to what the industry needs and shows how much in their own minds they live.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:08:47 2022 No.22381858 >>22373287 >Nijisanji has 1 rigger they use company wide No? Their quality is too variable for that. They use in-house, full-time hired riggers, but it's retarded to assume it's one guy rather than a team.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:11:17 2022 No.22381969 >>22381522 We both know shit like the rhombus isn't because Gura couldn't run a higher quality model.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:19:58 2022 No.22382311 >>22381522 Dumbest fucking post in this thread

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:21:43 2022 No.22382375

>>22366820
>move to a fucking $15 app on Steam with a $10 addon
Pretty sure there's legal shit with that, and I'm sure it wouldn't just be 25$xhowevermanytalentsneedit=cost. It would probably be some licensing shit they'd have to negotiate with the company and cost them a LOT more money. Instead they should just invest a lot more money into their tech instead of things like those games they're making.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 23:59:41 2022 No.22386656

>>22382375
Don't see why not. Vtube studio is the standard for most people and it's not like every other streamer including probably every small corpo isn't making money using it. And to be technical the $10 extra is just for a side program for even better 2D rigging that they probably wouldn't take advantage of. I'm sure if they wanted to make it an option literally everyone would prefer to use it and even pay for it out of pocket to get away from a corporation buying a hundred licenses for it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 00:16:17 2022 No.22387307

>>22382375
>>22386656
There is a business license, but it's a one time payment for the company rather than having to license it for each of them. There's no way it'd be more than the cost of trying to give their proprietary software the features Vtube Studio already has.

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