The future of vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So anons, what do you think the long-term effects of vtubing will be on the rest of otaku media? Do you find yourself enjoying chuubas more than anime, manga, vidya, and etc.? With all the bigshots getting into vtubing, do you like the atmosphere today compared to how it was a few years ago? And of the West, what do you think they'll change as vtubers reach more and more people there moving forward?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306

I stop watching Anime since i start watching Vtuber. I still read manga tho..

Maybe because i facing too many disappointment of anime-adaption works that worst than manga itself (aka Tokyo Ghoul) so i decide to jump ship into Vtuber instead.

[Anonymous No.]

My anime consumption dropped to near zero since I got into vtubers. I still read manga and LNs sometimes.

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>>22349306
Originally started watching Vtubers as a way to learn Japanese funny enough.

it's hard to tell but the best I can guarantee is that Vtubers are a permanent thing to stay at this point, how innovative can a 2D/3D model get is something we likely only scratched the surface of and as technology keeps on improving and Vtubers are still trying to make a name for themselfs out there I can only see it as something that can only end if people randomly decide to hate the term for it.

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>>22349306
I'm now imagining someone going full hog on lore, with real writers and vtubers playing it out. Not just "we hired fubuki" but rather debut'ing someone who's playing their role across their streams and youtube vids.
Definitely works better as curated content, but you can fit livestreams in there as well.
Imagine Fate/SN played out from a character's point of view, a vlog. And they have livestreams where they cook or practicing magic or zatsu and just talk about how crazy everything is.

And when it ends... who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
>Do you find yourself enjoying chuubas more than anime, manga, vidya, and etc.?
all different mediums. you're asking if watching xqc is more entertaining than a movie. Could be depending on your taste and what you enjoy but they are unrelated
The content that you get in a vydia like gameplay/artistic direction/writing etc. aren't in a vtuber and the content of a vtuber aren't in vydia. Nasu's take is valid because VN romance are close to the experience given by gfe chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
> started watching vtubers
> dropped anime
> can't understand them so i have to watch clips
>finally decided to watch EN vtubers so i could understand them
> NijiEN, Vshojo, HoloEN, Prism, Indies
> enjoyed for a bit
> realized most western vtubers are insufferable and spoiled.
> found some nice indies but they eventually get corruped over a single crumb of popularity and their ego skyrocket, starts treating fanbase like shit.
> EN normies praise and encourage their obnoxious behaviour and entitledness
> Japs at least don't take shit and will backlash if a Vtuber acts like a spoiled little shit
> envious that i'm not japanese
> back to watch anime
my favorite is korone btw

[Anonymous No.]

The only anime I’ve watched since getting hooked on vtubers in early 2020 have been new seasons of series I was already watching like SnK and Jojo. I really have no desire to watch anything else anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
I found myself dropping anime/manga once getting into vtubers but lately going full circle and returning to anime. I've seen a lot of others share this sentiment as well lately.

[Anonymous No.]

Nero was a proto vtuber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyxME9uC_Sc

[Anonymous No.]

vtubers are Internet celebs with the merchandising power and fan content generation of traditional otaku media, it's not going away ever by this point.

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>>22350217
>didn't learn Japanese at all
you deserve your misery

but once you know Japanese culture enough you get sick of it, that's why I watch EN now

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>>22349306
I stopped watching anime before vtubers became a thing. Only to pop in and watch that one or two good anime that comes out for the year. Now I don't even do that.

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>>22349306
Be prepared for a phase sometime this year, where seiyuu vtube as their anime characters for promotional purposes. Minaseinori already did something similar with that LN last year. It's bound to become more common, but will it be successful? It's hard to imagine that a vtubing Chino wouldn't make bank.

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>>22349504
Speak properly you ESL retardchama

[Anonymous No.]

I watched a bit but now it's just random vtuber highlights and some news after early kizuna ai era. I realize they are just your average stream with an anime girl avatar and voice, and I basically only watch streams for interesting games/maybe personality. I think It's gonna stay relevant for at least a few years even if it is kind of stagnating in technology/presentation.
I don't think there is enough effort/interest from vtubers/audience to break this status quo.

>>22349816
I remember some patient/nurse vtuber with a backstory and and she actually played it like a role from like 2019/2020. I don't remember the name but I think she has some new stuff after her story ended for like 1 or 2 years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
I don’t even watch vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
The less amerimutts involved the better the future.

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>>22349306
Vtubing is just a fad desu, but a very welcomed fad. I personally love how vtubing transformed a generation and how it influenced the younger crowd of anime manga consoomers.
There's a significant overlap of gacha players and isekai consoomers who became invested in chuubas in these past few years, at least from what I've obserbed in my irl circles.
I'm glad that vtubing influenced them away from those wretched shitshows. I'd rather my friend become a gachikoi instead of a filthy gacha and isekai consoomer

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350510
This. I stopped watching anime sometimes after Cross Ange. Vtubing is more about gaming and online memes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
after tokyo ghoul and snk shit the bed with the endings i mostly dont get into new manga. im not saying those series are literary masterpieces, just that they had potential for some good moments if the mangaka lined the pieces up correctly. the /a/ memes saved the experience of those stories for me.

in my opinion a lot of chuuba streams are hamster wheel this-affects-nothing tier, so i like games with continuity such as blockgame collabs where the world visibly develops over the weeks and months. anime and manga can have grand storylines that are unmatched by the scope of most chuuba stuff, but im reluctant to get invested into a world just to have it fall apart due to the mangaka, editors, pressure due to character popularity, and so on. also some anime interactions are just too cliche or ungrounded and ruin my immersion, whereas chuubas are human so theres at least some degree of organic behaviour. also i think the human aspect of chuubas helps to keep some of factors that i dont like in check, for example, i like that council rejected a lot of the chuuni lore.

there might be room for chuubas who are characters from different media, for example i think the r*by cast becoming chuubas is the only hope for that franchise. also i think that mainstream (hololive) chuubas are getting a little bit comfortable or lazy with their stream quality and variety.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350665
it would also take the influence away from cancer like narou, with more young people taking interest in vtubing instead of writing shitty fanfic-tier webnovels

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
I agree with a lot of their assessment but I think it will exist in parallel rather than supersede other forms of entertainment. e.g. the form may not appeal to just anyone, the closeness is overshadowed by the fact that you're sharing the space with countless other viewers rather than being a more personal experience that linear storytelling media deliver. Also, a vtuber does not stick to the role, may break kayfabe, there is drama involved, etc. - so while there are strengths, there are also comparative weaknesses. Vtubers enrich the space of otaku oriented media but they won't displace existing media.

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>>22350440
TM really is ahead of it's time

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
>Do you find yourself enjoying chuubas more than anime, manga, vidya, and etc.?
No, vtubers are background noise at best.
>Do you like the atmosphere today compared to how it was a few years ago?
Absolutely not. They keep earning more and more money and it's gone to their heads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350440
>>22349306
I enjoy all those in different ways there are not the same, We're already in 5 years of VTubing and not much has changed.

I think the Nasu interview is interesting but I wouldn't say VN still can't be popular, For instance a lot of VN have dating elements to them and big pay offs when you complete the route, I properly developed Nasu VN give me the player control of who I choose and basically the guarantee of payoff, I can win Red Saber the game allows it, it promotes it as a feature however there's no guarantee you can win Blue Saber unless she or her employer allow it.

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>>22350217
Are there any popular indies that end up staying polite? I feel like there's been a few. Shoto's m*le but never gets rude with his fans.

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>>22350845
holy eslchama

[Anonymous No.]

I still watch anime and read VNs, being a NEET is pretty neat. I don't necesarilly enjoy one medium more than the others, I just hope that vtubers don't just become "streamers that use anime avatars" and become more "anime characters that are streaming", for me it's mostly about the fantasy

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350576
I remember a few months ago Sumipe was doing this. Did it get any traction?
Anyhow, imagine a chuuba Osaka.
>inb4 Aqua

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350867
If you're going to call someone an ESL be sure you're using proper grammar.
>Holy Eslchama!
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350725 (me)
as an en/myth baby, stuff like the gurame jp micra server tour amazed me due to how full and busy the world felt, with all the different houses, pixel arts, minecart tracks in the sky, random tunnels, and other things. i felt like i was truly visiting another world, which is a feeling that i havent got from a lot of movies and games lately. i tuned into as many blockgame streams as i could to try to get glimpses into every corner of the server.

if i consume anime/manga/chuubas its mostly for this feeling of mystery, exploration, and discovery, and its something that any of those media can achieve. however more and more anime seem to be generic pandering, whereas many chuuba streams are just fotm game or this years shooter.

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>>22350896
>I just hope that vtubers don't just become "streamers that use anime avatars"
isn't it too late for that? kizuna ai was the last one and she graduated

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>>22350841
>>22350440
wonder if all the TM shilling is gonna amount to something

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>>22350896
>I just hope that vtubers don't just become "streamers that use anime avatars" and become more "anime characters that are streaming"
I think it will necessarily end up more of the former than the latter. When people are playing a role for many hours every day their true personality will necessarily emerge. Also, I think people ultimately prefer the personal experience more than watching someone perform in a role. At the bottom of it is loneliness and alienation that is characteristic of modern societies and the glimpse of connecting to a real girl behind the avatar is too tempting for most people to treat it as a mere stage play.

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>>22349504
>I stop watching Anime since i start watching Vtuber
Fuck, same mostly because nobody have time for both, but I truly feel like watching vtubers makes you dumb

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>>22350725
>I'm reluctant to get invested into a world just to have it fall apart
that's how I felt after the last few one piece chapters
>mainstream chuubas are getting a little bit comfortable or lazy with their stream quality and variety
"a little bit"? most vtubers have become insufferable lately

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>>22349306
I think only people who mostly watch anime for the girls/men would completely switch to vtubers, because as long as there's no drama involved they can satisfy that itch better and longer.
But aside for that planned storytelling and animation simply have different appeals

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>>22349816
>Imagine Fate/SN played out from a character's point of view, a vlog. And they have livestreams where they cook or practicing magic or zatsu and just talk about how crazy everything is.
Thanks, I'm stealing that for my syosetsu LN

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>>22350997
>I think people ultimately prefer the personal experience more than watching someone perform in a role
might as well watch normal streamers at this point, at least you can somewhat tell how they're feeling by looking at their face

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350217
You are literally and 100% me

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350217
based

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>>22351037
Forgot to add that the people that look at chuubas for that will probably have to go back to anime anyway if people will start discouraging GFE stuff

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>>22351059
I don't think that would be just as appealing. After all, the people watching do like the anime aesthetic. I believe the connection with the real person behind mostly takes place at a subconscious level rather than being a deliberate goal. Watching a real streamer would not be as appealing as watching this simulacrum.

[Anonymous No.]

staying in character requires acting skills, which is actually a pretty rare talent. most break kayfabe and go back to being a thot within 2 weeks of debut.
I will forever turn to fiction to satisfy my fantasies

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
>>22350977
I love Casko so much, I can't imagine what it'd be like to actually be able to watch her every couple of days or so if TM were to create its own vtuber branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351159
>if people will start discouraging GFE stuff
it's not "if", it's already happening. just look at fauna, her fans will go ape shit insane if you even try mentioning that.

[Anonymous No.]

It was the infinite isekai spam that made me difficult to enjoy pre-vtuber Japanese media as I used to do. If I'm going to watch people interact with a world that isn't their own and that is grounded on videogame logic rather than IRL physics, they may very well be vtubers playing a game.
Also the future of the vtubing fad is animated avatar generators for everyone (think VRChat but 2D as per global Nijisanjification) followed by AI entertainment systems.

It goes like this:
1) Your waifu doesn't exist.
2) Your waifu doesn't know you exist.
3) No, anon, you are the waifu. And then anon was a vtuber.
4) Watch me and my cute wife.
5) Anime is real.
Currently we are at 2).

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349504
>>22349619
Why is there so much garbage anime now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350576
I can absolutely see there being castings made specifically for a vTuber to play a character from a game as promotion

Hell, I can imagine (and have a design doc forming) games being specifically made around that being the gimmick

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351211
lack of money I suppose

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351162
Well people get bored of chuubas that don't show their true personality and they follow basic thots instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351037
vtubers also create scripted content, thats how kizuna ai started off, and not since the yt algo rewards it short content now

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351211
It's not just anime. The same thing is happening with books, movies, etc. It's just not possible to be creative anymore when everything has already been done before, so it's just the same things over and over again.

[Anonymous No.]

A.I. can't come soon enough
I'm tired of these whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351259
>It's not just anime. The same thing is happening with books, movies, etc. It's just not possible to be creative anymore when everything has already been done before, so it's just the same things over and over again.
People have been spouting this rhetoric since the enlightenment. It's just the fact it's too easy to consume anime these days that no one every bothers just remembering what is good and isn't since they all fall into a blur.

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>>22351245
yeah, but there's still a pretty hard limit to what vtubers can do on screen compared to other media, and only for shorts

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>>22350997
>a real girl behind the avatar is too tempting for most people to treat it as a mere stage play
its 50/50. think of it like a character from a really long multi season setting. the actor and the character become inseparable

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351159
>if people will start discouraging GFE stuff
I don't think that's ever going to happen because that's where the money is. Superchats are made from the loneliness of men.

Some may lie to themselves, saying they're watching vtubers at a completely platonic level, but I very much doubt that is the case for anyone. Even vtubers who admit to having had boyfriends, having had sex, etc. end up with gachikois.

There is no such thing as watching a female vtuber without experiencing something akin to GFE; it's simply how the male brain works.

>>22351037
I don't think vtubers are a good replacement for that; at least not for just anyone. Vtubers are always shared with the other viewers, and they are visibly present in the chat. Getting a vtuber's attention costs you money, and the fact that there is a real person behind who has a life of her own, romantic partners, etc. is something not everyone can just ignore (or delude themselves into that it didn't exist). Storytelling media still deliver a perfect fantasy that is (for the most part) not affected by whatever person voices the characters in it.

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>>22351303
only because streamers are [mostly] self produced. there's no hard limit except the tech, there is a soft limit due to resources and time

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>>22351211
Young authors don't have real life experience to curate meaningful character interactions and development and have to resort to isekai and instant gratification bullshit. Apparently nips love those braindead series so they kept on churning those out.
Who would've thought it would result in everything getting stale

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>>22350375
Ive tried to get back into anime after dropping it in 2018 or so but its still all crap. I figured there would be atleast 1 show in 4 years where id be like this is good and marathon it but i get like 2 in and just stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350977
>soundbar
Go back

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>>22351271
Based. Is it that hard to NOT get a bf for a few years and become a millionaire?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351337
that applies for everything thought, for how things work right now is simply too limited compared to other media

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>>22351331
>There is no such thing as watching a female vtuber without experiencing something akin to GFE; it's simply how the male brain works.
But this is also true for BFE and male vtubers, like all the crazy hos calling Vox their lord.

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubers lead normal, boring lives, just like most people.

Anime characters can have interesting lives. They can have goals other than subscriber milestones and outfit reveals. They can change the world they live in beyond making vtubing slightly more popular. They can be as perfect or as flawed as the story demands as opposed to flawed with a veneer of perfection, which is what all real humans can be at best.

Maybe CGDCT shows will be a bit redundant, but vtubers can't replace even a mediocre action or fantasy show.

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>>22351392
they're even worse than male fans

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>>22351380
yes, but that doesnt mean vtubers are inherently limited. you could easily say it hasnt happened yet because vtubers are still novel

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351392
Yes.

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>>22349816
That'd just be an ARG I think. With an anime girl.

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>>22350217
> EN normies praise and encourage their obnoxious behaviour and entitledness
Is it normies or is it irony poisoned weebs?

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubers are just interactive seiyuus

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351449
Pretty much. And when the story is over they can carry on with "their normal life" until the next chapter begins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351331
thats why you get a 2view or anyone under 1k ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351271
remember they killed tay because she was too based

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>>22351411
>vtubers can't replace even a mediocre action or fantasy show

Except they can, that's what the 3D concerts and skits are for.
They won't do most of it in real time, but soon as the tech is there your "chuba playing apex" will become "chuba starring in apex".

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>>22349306
For me I stopped watching cute girls doing cute things type anime because with vtubers I could just find a stream that is more enjoyable than what the show has to offer.

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>>22351513
It's simply a facet of western culture.

The people watching this are lonely men who aren't getting laid and they hope to make themselves more popular by acting how they assume society expects them to.
This kind of prostrating oneself before the feminist Zeitgeist is a mere expression of male alienation in a modern, sexually liberal society.

[Anonymous No.]

I still watch anime but my interest in it did plummet a little bit, V-Tubers is weird it's addicting yet feels soul destroying at the same time.
Someone you've been watching for years or hours upon hours could just leave/graduate any day makes me wonder what the point is sometime.
I take most V-Tubers at entertainment value but if you slowly start to fall for your oshi it becomes dangerous.

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>>22351564
Reminder that /pol/tards spamming a bot with racist memes will never be "based" and you should go back there and stop pretending you like anime. Your kind is not welcome in this hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
>what do you think the long-term effects of vtubing will be on the rest of otaku media?
vtubing branch will be he standard for every anime company

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
The next step would definitely be livestreams done live as with concerts but in VR. I know it has been done before, but I mean in a much grander scale, able to support thousands, tens of thousands or more people at a time. Similar to the VR world portrayed in PsychoPass

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>>22351691
>hobby
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351691
wow rude

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351691
>wojaksoytranny.jpg

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>>22351570
>3D concerts
That replaces IRL concerts, not anime.
>skits
That's just anime made with inferior tech.
>They won't do most of it in real time, but soon as the tech is there your "chuba playing apex" will become "chuba starring in apex".
If there's no script, then it's e-sports. If there is, then it's a sports anime.

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>>22349504
Tokyo Ghoul is an interesting example to use because that poor adaptation was eight years ago at this point so you've got to have been doing other things since then before you discovered VTubers.

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>>22349306
Absolutely nothing has changed, I still watch just as much anime 1-2 episodes/day and read just as much manga. I do play less games, but that's because of time restraint and less otaku centric games coming out
The only thing that has changed is that instead of watching random videos or facecam streams/podcasts I watch vtubers instead and I usually do it while working and while playing games

Even when it comes to vtubers nothing has changed for me since I first started watching them in 2019. I still watch the kind of content I like and when one of them fucks up or changes the content I was watching them for, I drop them and move on to one that suits my tastes. Luckily enough the ones I liked the most, including my oshi, have stayed consistent and have avoided fucking up so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351199
Zentreya made it to 3).

[Anonymous No.]

I need it all

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
It's another form of entertainment, an extension of the livestreamer you could say, but it's not gonna "replace" other forms of entertainment other than you might spend some more time watching vtubers instead of doing something else. Watching an anime or reading a good story or playing a game yourself is a different experience from watching a vtuber or livestreamer.

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>>22351806
>If there's no script, then it's e-sports. If there is, then it's a sports anime.

None of this matters, the qualifying criteria was "action or fantasy".
Chubas can already have action and fantasy as part of their performance, and it'll only get more elaborate going forward.

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>>22351211
Oversaturation of seasonal 12 episode tv anime. A lot of which are assembly line tier adaptations that have no creative drive or vision behind them, committee produced crap meant to sell merchandise. This is nothing new but the sheer quantity and pace of new releases is. Also OVA are dead and OVA is where quirky less marketable creator driven ideas used to thrive. And film anime is in a terrible state because the old generation of directors have retired or died and no one stepped up to replace them, and tv anime has eaten up all the production resources.

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>>22350217
>>22351606
Western culture will always destroy everything they touch.
Even if JP chuubas cover adult themes, the people themselves are disciplined. Asian culture in its entirety is about obeying tradition, ethics, and confirm to rules.
Which is why JP and ID girls never get involved with yabs involving sex and desperation for attention by revealing their actual identities.
Meanwhile, westerners are about liberating oneself from established rules and norms. Individualism. They dont care if people will hate them for doing drama and yabs, they got what they want.

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>>22351691
kyss

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>>22351863
eight years ago huh...

[Anonymous No.]

A new country based around vtubers will be founded where vtubers will not longer face persecution

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350217
Pff japs are no better in this regard. Look at ayame for instance. Bitch doesnt stream and nakirigumis will still eat her shit up

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>>22352059
Roru
Rumao
Who is Rushia?

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>>22351259
>It's just not possible to be creative anymore when everything has already been done before
rumao, new creative stuff is made all the time, and it's not that reading or watching the same things over and over gets stale. The problem is the execution is bad, and creators are more distracted due to the internet and gachas so they don't have as much time to really work to get better. Also almost no one reads really old stuff so their ideas come from FFVII, Fate, and Yuru Camp.

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>>22352157
difference being that you have to cherrypick while all your enwhores are like that

[Anonymous No.]

>chuuba acts like anime
>Great I can talk to an anime girl/boy!
>drop anime
>chuuba gets popular
>normalfags invade
>normalfags say its better if she acts like her real self
>chuuba acts like a real person
>This isn't what I signed up for...
>go back to anime
>normalfags have an attention span of a cucumber so they drop the chuubas for the new hot thing in a few months
>chuubas become irrelevant with lots of dead subs
You should never cater to the majority, stick to your roots and cultivate your actual fans, it works way better in the long run. Sadly chuubas, like other ecelebs are just normal people who got unexpected fame and couldn't handle it, so they go on an ego trip and slowly kill off their lucrative careers. Seen this too many times

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>>22350217
holy shit my experience
/a/ was right

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>>22350858
Nina is a prime example of this

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>>22351942
Sports anime don't replace action or fantasy anime, whether the characters are vtubers or not. They're different genres.

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>>22351607
>Someone you've been watching for years or hours upon hours could just leave/graduate any day makes me wonder what the point is sometime.
The point is to enjoy your time. Sure, you may not have someone to share the memories with later, because the person you spent time with is a vtuber and she won't be in your life forever. But is it really such a big loss when you can still recall those memories yourself? If the person behind the avatar makes your time more enjoyable, it's a reasonable trade. I try my hardest to only live in the moment, when I'm not working on financial stuff. It can be very calming to experience the present and appreciate it for what it is, without expecting anything in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350858
Natori Sana

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>>22351983
12 episode animes that either are only made to boost the sells on the manga and never get a second season or waiting forever for a second season like in attach on titan.

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>>22351411
Interesting vtubers have interesting lives or they're good at making shit up. Either way it's usually much more exciting than what I've experienced.

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>>22352357
This is the future. You can see it happening as we speak.

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>>22349306
I don't get what the last line means

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>>22351411
>Vtubers lead normal, boring lives, just like most people.
As someone who has iinchou as one of my favorites I beg to differ.
>But vtubers can't replace even a mediocre action or fantasy show.
They can emulate it. One of nijisanji's most popular content in 2019/2020 was four of its members thinking up a tournament arc involving all the nijisanji members and it was legendary. And let's not start about the ARK wars.

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>>22352945
https://vndb.org/v17909
Tsukihime Remake which came out in 2021. 40% of the people who played it, also played the original version 21 years ago. So, Nasu is just agreeing with Koyama, that people don't really change. VN fans are still willing to engage with VNs even now that Vtubers are around.

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>>22353162
oh
I wonder how he arrived at that figure.

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>>22349306
>nasutrash
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>22352188
1 loud empty drum out of a billion Japanese
Nigger do you even statistic?

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>>22352869
You're not a high bar. Most of them are hikineet IRL. The rest have normal office jobs.
They can't keep up the kayfabe for long because they haven't lived the life of their character. They can't play the role of a pirate captain in search of a legendary treasure because most of them haven't even been on a ship, let alone command a pirate frigate. I doubt Marine or Hada even knows what "tacking" does.
>>22353059
I respect Iinchou for trying to live an interesting life, but she's about as interesting as a Japanese woman can get and is still leagues away people like Chris Hadfield or Vladimir Putin, not to mention most fictional characters.

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>>22349306
He's right about vtubers allowing you to meet a character as if it were actually in-person, but vtubers can't deliver an engaging storyline the way VNs can. Vtuber media is more comparable to if you like a certain character from a particular work and you read up on their glossary entry at the back of the book, if they have one.

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>>22349306
cgi + vtubers = vtuber anime and and movies. It'll all be shit
It's inevitable.

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>>22352281
I hate vshojo but other than Zentreya I don't see anyone really trying to push the boundaries of vtuber content.

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>>22352619
In what way is a chuba being able to play as themselves in an game where some of the NPC's are other chubas a "sport"?

You can already get what you're trying to deny existing out of minecraft: they play as themselves, there is action, a fantasy adventure, story arcs for collabs/projects

We are quite literally a "modded skyrim" away from your perfect world, stop moving the goalpost.

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I think what haachama was doing with her character is the next step for vtubing. Live interactive storytelling. Too many of the girls in the west are afraid to commit but eventually artists are going to do something mind bending with the medium and change what people think you can do

[Anonymous No.]

>>22354013
>modded skyrim
>Macho Man Randy Savage descends on your guitar playing bear
If only

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
I stopped reading at "Nasu"

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>>22349504
Same.
I've always preferred manga but after a string of especially bad adaptations I just completely quit.

I did watch cowboy bebop for the first time recently though

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350217
Osekai ojisan and overlord 4 is coming. I'll return to animu soon

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>>22350858
Shinigami Leona?

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>>22349816
It'd work but the problem is you can't be too out there because it'd be boring to watch.
At a certain point if it's pre-made content you're just making anime, so just make an anime...
If you're sticking to the stereotypical modern vtuber crap of video games then the lore is irrelevant and probably detract from their personality which is the main draw.

Lore only matters for thematic purposes. You can make fun content surrounding the lore but it's more of a vehicle for silly entertainment rather than as "lore"

Kotone Tenjin used to have a bunch of shrine videos because she's a God. I imagine it's basically what you're talking about.
But she stopped and just streams apex now. It's kinda disappointing but that's modern vtubing for you I guess. No more fun just shitty 2d models playing shitty vidya.

[Anonymous No.]

The future of v-tubing is subscription services for a personalized very limited 'AI' chuuba of your very own. Once they start running the millions of hours of vtuber footage available through ML algorithms they'll be able to use something like vocaloid (or maybe just voice samples) to recreate basic things like ASMR, making noises while playing video games (poorly), tell stories about their "day", wax philosophical in a nonsensical fashion, sing, do simple alexa type shit like tell you the weather. It's still probably ten years off and the version iterations will suck, but it's coming.

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>>22350858
Depends what you consider popular.
A few of the art chuubas I watch get into the low 100s ccvs and are chill.

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>>22354521
so the future is just some old DS games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
Vtubers for Disney+ and other live services could be a thing. Not like Netflix Goat-chan who streams on YouTube but streaming on Netflix

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351259
It's not hard to be creative, but you don't even need go be. Just doing an old thing but doing it good is a rarity.

And people always say that about art too
>hurr everything has been drawn before so it's pointless
Is bullshit. How many times have you wanted to fap to niche fetish porn and your search is basically empty.
Do you know how hard it is to find literally anything related to a girl having raw eggs slid into her pussy then having them cracked inside of her? It's really fucking hard and what we do have is low tier.

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>>22351024
Agree

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>>22349306
I used to watch a lot of anime because it was my only real consumption into that gateway, but my consumption had already been on the decline before vtubers. My standards had risen while the quality that was being put out was continually dropping.

Then vtubers came around and added an entirely new element to the experience that wasn't possible with traditional media.

As a result my consumption has dropped dramatically. However, not entirely. vtubers hastened my culling of all the crap. Now I only really watch the best of the best while vtubers fill my needs of mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351211
>>22351228
That would assume that animators get paid which has never been true regardless of the effort they put in, reality is that the pool of animators stopped growing because of worse conditions trying to push out more anime each year without actually growing the industry. Now we have shorter schedules for shorter seasons to get out as much content as possible as studios take on way more than they can reasonably handle. Barely any new animators can make it in or survive long enough to make anything remotely liveable and leave, increasingly more foreign animators are getting drawn in to make up for it without knowing how the industry works resulting in more mistakes and retakes which are common enough as it is. No one can plan for anything when most planning for anime has to be internal damage control if it's not an absolutely stellar staff or a surprisingly good schedule.
tl;dr animators aren't paid it's largely passion they just need the time to work which there's none of anymore

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>>22349306
I stopped watching anime because it's the same boring flavor of the month waifu romance isekai harem shit. I started watching vtubers because some of them played doom, dark souls, and minecraft.
>>22351331
Nah man, your full of shit. I hard dropped hololive when luxiem showed up, and don't get GFE gosling feelings over any of the girls. I want to coom to enna's feet but honestly have no romantic attachment to any of the chicks. I just want to watch funny anime people. I'm fucking even rooting for Shu to win the Elira bowl.

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>>22354774
how many superchats does crhime get?
because I cannot for the life of me imagine normies donating to an absolute corporate product that you already need to subscribe to, to access.
people already absolutely hate ads in streaming services

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>>22349306
I turn on the computer.

It makes a whirring noise as I open YouTube to watch my oshi.

I don't understand Japanese, but her voice resonates with mine and I fall into her metaphysical embrace.

Suddenly, she poses a question in broken English, my ears immediately picking up on Anglo-Germanic phonemes.

My ears register the question. It takes me about 30 seconds to parse it to perfect English. It is not an overly complicated question, but will require some "thoughtfulness" -- that is, I have to put my thoughts into it.

It takes me about a minute to come up with the response. That is 1/60th of an hour, or 1/1440th of the day. I spend more time thinking about what to cook than how to answer her, but I guess I can allow myself this much folly.

Formulating response.

Generating output.

My fingers dance a private recital on the keyboard. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap. Tap.

They are not unpleasant individual "taps", but rather "taps as unified a whole".

The defenseless keyboard has no choice but to yield to my fingers' jackhammering commands, and letters appear on the screen. I accidentally thought they were mollusks from the font.

It takes me another 45 seconds to write this.

I do not mind vtubers. They are fun, but not overly "fun". That is, they are not "something that will replace", but rather "something that replaced by". They "capture the essence" of what it means to interact with other and provide "companionship" when it comes to playing games.

A thought passes through my brain. It is a quick one.

Vtubers are inherently "limited" by the technology and their own personages. After all, they are still "human" at the end of the day. This is no less helped by the "fanbase" which serve as humanity's collective waste disposal receptacle.

With that finished, I ----------
>Go get dinner started
>Start a bait thread on /vt/
>Go to bed

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>>22349306
Currently vtubing in the jp side have a deep foot in the anime industry. Many authors have appeared around them donating or expressing their feelings, similar to gachis, and sadly some vtubers are ill intended purposely leeching on their work popularity and sending gift to them, encouraging to follow back.
In the future some popular works may be greatly affected by these vtubers as some authors have unironically turned into simps. If you want to feel safe from this fad, check your favorite author twitter archive, chance is he may be getting groomed, no joke. This can potentially turn into disaster as you know what being a gachi lead to, especially if the vtuber happen to work under Niji.

Don’t get surprised if some popular works shift to drama and wreck ships in the near future.

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>>22351211
Anime is not profitable. They failed to adapt their business model with the times, since they need to sell expensive BDs and merch to recoup the $2m dollars it costs to produce an average 12 episode anime.
Producing an original is a big gamble. If it's a success, you get a lot of BD and merch sales to be in profit and you create a franchise that will last a decade at least (Code Geass). But if it fails and the anime flops, that's millions flushed down the drain. This means less studios being willing to produce original anime with original plot and instead they choose originals that recreate an already successful formula, or adaptations for LN/manga for established franchises or as a tool to advertise the source material.
LN adaptations are all garbage because they are a sector dominated by isekai tropes and most of them want to use 12 episodes to promote 5+ volumes of source material (if you want to know more, you buy the LNs!). When thousands of authors want to live from writing LNs, they need to go for what's already popular in order to stand out.
The same happens with manga adaptations, but since manga is slower than LNs, there's usually not enough content to adapt so the studio has to add filler.
Since the LN and manga quality dropped, the anime industry also suffered. Most otakus switching to vtubers during the same timeslot also caused the anime industry to suffer greatly.

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>>22356923
>ill intended purposely leeching on their work popularity and sending gift to them, encouraging to follow back.
I'm pretty sure Nasu doesn't give a shit and is too busy playing Elden Ring so looks like I'm safe for a few more years.

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>>22356268

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>>22351411
>Anime characters can have interesting lives. They can have goals other than subscriber milestones and outfit reveals.
>I will be the best <pirate/magician/king/insert profession>!
>I'll destroy my enemies with talk no jutsu and nakama power!
>my entire journey will be collecting companions for decades of real time or until I get axed!
or
>I isekai'd into a fantasy medieval europe with elves, orcs, dwarves, cat girls and I got cheats/game interface and mechanics like DQ!

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>>22353528
nta. but it happens way more often then youre willing to willing to admit because you hate yourself

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Vtubers are transhumanism, that’s what Nasu means by “graduating from humanity”
The trannies and menheras like rushia who truly want to become their live2d self are closest to this ideal. It’ll happen in the east first as it’ll be socially acceptable to exist as a virtual being before any other country due to many reasons which I don’t have time to get into. Westerners are too obsessed with realism and individuality to achieve this right now.

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>>22350217
Are you me ?

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>>22355333
You may ritually emasculate yourself however you like, but your sexuality is not part of the conscious part of your brain, in that regard I am rather sceptical with regard to your assessment.

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>>22356268
kaltsit go to bed

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>>22349306
Avalon Le Fae is the only good story Nasu wrote.

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>>22350977
The problem is that nasu is fucking retarded and he's going to blow his load on a shitty setting like the extraverse.

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>>22351211
Anime these days is unironically rom com with a different coat of paint on it. I didn't notice until someone pointed out that Asuna was the reason SAO is shit and that SAO had the potential to be great, but was ruined by the forced romance. She even managed to ruin the soft reboot for SAO.
Also Asuna is the true mary sue self insert.

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>>22359736
>blaming a WN from 2005 for the state of modern anime
a bit disingenuous innit?

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>>22357631
>listing only examples after 2000
watch 200 anime before posting again

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Anyone who thinks vtubers are going to kill anime/manga/LNs is delusional. They'll just get co-opted as a marketing scheme, look at the recent Shueisha/Hololive collab. Vtubers are just gonna end up being glorified celebrities

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>>22360396
Progressive is technically modern anime so the point stands.

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>>22359736
>Anime these days is unironically rom com with a different coat of paint on it.
The prevalence of anime of that kind is a mere expression of loneliness and alienation that people, men in particular, experience living in modern society.

The same applies to vtubers though. Vtubers would not exist without the lonely men that watch them.

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>>22360759
Progressive gives a worse Asuna, but a better Kirito so I say worth it.

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Is it weird that I've stopped watching anime and caring about things like life and it means to live, and that all I do is play video games... namely Final Fantasy XIV and Dead by Daylight thanks to discovering vtubers 2 years ago on /v/?

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>>22349306
For a while I was wasting more time on vtubers than anime but not anymore. HoloEN turned out to be a massive disappointment and while NijiEN is better I'm getting a bit bored of them and tired of dudes appearing almost everywhere.

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>>22351211
There are around 50 shows per season now. Of course most are trash but usually there are about 10 good ones.

People crying about modern anime being shit are just idiots or fags with trash taste. I'm watching 18 shows this season. The most in years. Anime industry is bigger and more popular than ever.

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>>22360941
You can say that for any form of entertainment. Though animal used to have a healthy mix for expressing yearning for intimate companionship and yearning for adventure.
Most of the time, its just expressing the need for intimate companionship. People don't want adventure any more.

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>>22359601
Nasu straight up said lb6 was the best thing he wrote last year and that was the year tsukihime remake released.
TM contrarians are once again back on suicide watch.

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>>22358529
I believe transhumanism to be a fundamental facet of Liberalism and therefore deeply ingrained in western ideology.

'Equality' if taken to its logical conclusion is ultimately a transhumanist idea.

Progressives believe swallowing hormones could turn Kevin into Stacy. Conservatives believe giving up porn could turn Kevin into Chad. Progressives believe if Kevin's teachers try really hard he can become a doctor. Conservatives believe if Kevin tries really hard he can become a doctor. Both ignore that there is an immutable essence to people, in the form of gender, race, intellect, etc. that pre-determines ones life.

The average westerner may laugh at the idea of people turning themselves into anime girls at one point, but ideologically, it would be perfectly in line with what they already believe - especially if we're talking about more than mere aesthetics.

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>>22361946
>in the form of gender, race, intellect, etc. that pre-determines ones life.
>believing in a pre-determined fate

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>>22349306
>Do you find yourself enjoying chuubas more than anime, manga, vidya, and etc.?
I already stopped watching anime like 2 or 3 years before I started watching vtubers because it was all the same repetitive and boring shit. Particularly iseshit (isekai), and from what I've seen the situation really hasn't improved for anime. If anything it's only getting worse (by adapting pure garbage LNs etc). Same goes for manga. There just aren't any good ones. I only read one manga right now and it's the one that first got me into anime and manga back in like 2008 or something which I think is still good. Once it's over I'll probably be done with anime and manga for good honestly.
I still play video games regularly and that'll never change, so I'd say I enjoy vtubers and vidya equally.
Funny thing about this is that vtubers aren't that different from how repetitive it can get, but after 2 years they're still just as entertaining to me. As for the atmosphere, it hasn't really changed that much, if at all. It's still the same to me. Then again, I don't really watch much outside of my oshi because I don't have time.
>And of the West, what do you think they'll change as vtubers reach more and more people there moving forward?
From all the shit I've seen I maintain my stance that western vtubing was a mistake. If anything will change it's that it'll get even worse with retarded drama no one gives a fuck about except virtue signaling neanderthals and dramafags and they'll continue to ruin the scene just like they do with everything else they can sink their claws into.

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>>22362005
It's not a matter of mere belief. How likely do you think a man with an IQ below average is to become a mathematician? How likely to you think a man below average height is to become an NBA player?

As Leo Strauss put it: one can expel nature with a pitchfork but it always returns.

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>>22362029
There are 2-3 isekai shows per season. Out of 40+.

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>>22362005
Apocrypha is shit.

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>>22362139
You don't understand anon.
I HATE things that are popular. Therefore I call everything i hate an isekai.

[Anonymous No.]

dis tlacshon
lgen layshun
yu ah de weal
enamy

[Anonymous No.]

>>22362182
Gay

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>>22350576
>Vtubing chino
That would be so fucking boring. At least with Gura she's an interesting weirdo. This is why I dropped anime for Vtubers: there are humans behind them

[Anonymous No.]

I watch anime sparingly, but only older shows (going through ZZ Gundam now, it's shit but I'm too autistic to skip it). 2views have almost completely replaced interacting with real women outside a professional context for me though.

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>>22349306
>>22349504

anime games and manga are far superior to vtubers.

in your early phase, you will really get into vtubers and watch them every single day, but it wont last so long. vtubers are consoomers. also 70% of their streams are about gaming. it doesnt push the boundaries. they endlessly repeat the same shit.

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>>22350576
Not even sometime this year, while they’ve stopped at the moment Jashin-Chan Dropkick getting a second and possibly third season was almost entirely because of them having a “Vtuber” skit show on YouTube that got thousands of views doing exactly what you described

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I've just started watching anime back but decided to do it the way I do my VOD reps...on 2x speed.
And my god, except a few, the fact that I can still grasp what is going on caught me off guard.
I doubt vtubing will affect the anime industry in a mid term future, because right now anime is still more popular with the public, and more than ever with internet normalfags thank to new normalfags hits coming back to back (My Dress Up Darling last season and now SpyxFamily).

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>>22350934
Anon, it sounds like your body and mind are telling you to go out and see the real world, and make some real life experiences. Feeling these things through virtual media is one thing, but doing interesting things IRL is another

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>>22361650
>10 good anime per season
Anon I want whatever the fuck you are drinking, I haven't managed to find ONE decent show last S.
thankfully this one is being saved by cute girls being cute, but that's probably some pavlovian response I developed from watching too much vtubers

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>>22351059
The advantage of it being virtual allows you to suspend disbelief more easily. It also forces the people behind the avatar to be more interesting, as simply being attractive in front of the camera won't cut it

[Anonymous No.]

>>22351691
>Reminder that -ACK!

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>>22357092
>>22351211
>>22351983
Along with what anons said, anime is suffering from the same algorythm-induced bastardization of the genre that we are seeing in most other media, it's no wonder games today are either reboots or souless hacked out "immersive experiences" with no gameplay, it's no wonder tv series have become the same 3/4 cookie cutter cast of diverse niggers with one druggie and a plot so uninspired people can't tell which series is which 10 minutes after turning off the TV.
Big corpo has us by the balls, luckly VTubing is still in it's honeymoon phase so you can find traces of a soul.

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>>22351691
>>22351691
>Your kind is not welcome in this hobby.
Why is it ok for you to exclude people but not for them? Even assuming that's what "racist" posters want to do, which there is little evidence for.

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>>22349504
Exact same thought for me.
I was waiting for an anime adaptation of a kino Isekai Web Novel/Light Novel, the anime and Manga adaptation got fucked up so hard I dropped every manga I used to read besides One piece and haven't watched any anime either since then, besides the watchalongs Pekora did in her members streams. God I have been waiting 6 years for that, just to get cucked so hard...

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For me, a Holobrony, there are very, very few anime or manga stories that can replicate the Kiryu Coco experience, the Pekora and co Minecraft arcs, the sports festivals, Mario Kart tournaments, Usaken summer festival, the whole story of HoloEN Myth, Gura taking the world by storm, Myth's and ID's 3D at Holofes, ID's splurge in popularity, Holofes 3's huge success, as well as the growth of Hololive as a whole. Not to mention all of the fan works, including Holofightz and even NASFAQ.
The best part has been that it has mostly been organic real-life story development.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22362540
>Akebi
>Sono Bisque
>Fabiniku
>Kuroitsu
>Slow loop

Sounds like taste problem to me.

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>>22361946
To your point westerners are too fractionated to be focused on any one thing like the other anon suggested, so we will shuffle towards digital merger even as elements of both sides fail to understand or resist the deeper metaphysical implications.

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>>22349306
There is literally no reason to watch SoL-type or idol anime now that vtubers exist.

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>>22363345
I'll give you akebi and slow loop, but the other two aren't worth shit

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>>22363488
This.

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>>22350576
it already happened with Sister Princess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCIOdi0GLFc
unfortunately it went under the radar, but to be fair, this project was only meant to last a year, but got extended due to fan support.

also, one of the earliest Vtubers was Uzaki-chan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmfz5efH9Z which somewhat works as a pitch for the anime that happened after.

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>>22363345
>Discount kyoani show
>Coomer bait
>Isekai
>etc...
Yes anon, truly innovative and genre defining shows last season huh

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>>22349306
VNs will still exist for the extreme introverts, I think anime will be hit the hardest
Manga is an entertainment magazine and has much wider appeal than anime in Japan, it'll be find
Vidya is a completely different medium and vtubing depends a lot on it so will actually incline even more

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>>22349306
Yo is Beast's Lair still alive? That has to be where OP is from right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22363802
what anime do you like?

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>>22351411
>but vtubers can't replace even a mediocre action or fantasy show.
Just wait until tech advances some more, once Minecraft stops being the only way to simulate fantasy setting for them you will get higher tier battle content, just imagine things like this not requiring animation team!
https://youtu.be/f3h8eYjW2hs?t=54

[Anonymous No.]

>>22349306
Who is Nasu

[Anonymous No.]

>>22365212
The main writer of fate grand order.

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>>22365277
kek this kills the fatefag

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>>22365212
The Tolkien of anime world

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>>22363055
There are better stories out there

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>>22354677
I will marry my own AI generated vtuber wife and dedicate my life to her until she can materialize in this world and kill me!

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>itt, /vt/ proves how much of them are holobronies who only watch myth by parroting problems they encounter that only come from hololive that could be solved by just watching indies

[Anonymous No.]

I watch and read manga on a binge about every six months, it's nice to be able to watch a whole series and read about 40 chapters of a story instead of waiting.

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>>22361108
They forced GGO to be one season pnly because they didn't want SAO to be overshadowed by a side story.

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>>22349306
there will always be something more to a livestream than a well written scripted video. a feeling you cant really describe in words and probably only a few will genuinely understand. what hes describing seems to be a perfect harmony between the two but how can this be possible outside of imagination if the feeling im describing couldnt possibly be described in human thought? i say its impossible but i dont mean someone shouldnt try it lol

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The only anime I ever consumed like a madman was Dragonball Z and Sailor Moon back in the day, haven't really tuned in to any since.
Vtubing is just an extension of streaming, it works well because as others anon said, the person needs to be interesting as being attractive isn't enough anymore, but beyond that? I don't see where the replacement to anime or even the comparisons come from.

Look at Council, all that dumb lore and none of them played into it, they're the most recent example but most vtubers do that, they start with some lore premise and then give up on it halfway through, at the end of the day these are still real people and there's just no way to maintain that shit all the time.
Its just a fad and like everything else it will grow more and more popular, the soul will be sucked out off it and people will move on to the next thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22350217
This except I went back to video games

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>>22354013
>>22365115
But Minecraft arcs suck if you view them as anime, and not just because it's Minecraft. You have:
>Content spread over 100's of hours and multiple videos
>Important things happening off screen
>Pacing is shit (because of the aforementioned 100's of hours of content)
>No real stake since everyone knows it's just a video game
>Tons of unresolved plot lines because they quit playing / never finish a project
>Resource gathering filler arcs everywhere
>Some characters are boring as fuck and add nothing to the story
If I had to give a rating to any vtuber Minecraft arc on MAL it would get a 2/10.

>Captcha: PPVAG

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371541
It's not that hard to explain the appeal of the spontaneous quality of performing arts over those subject to more editing, or of its drawbacks or to find examples where it has found unity with more scripted forms such as in live theatre.

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>adapt LN/Manga into a 12 ep series
>series Ending is made to look it won't get a sequel (adaptations have always been a way to boost the original source)
>It's been like this for 98% if adaptations

[Anonymous No.]

>>22371541
The only good part of a livestream is the interaction you have with the streamer. Otherwise its just boring since nobody can be expected to free-form improv entertaining things for 6 hours straight. And expecting audience to watch them for 6 hours straight is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

This
>>22350217
And this
>>22352357

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>>22372762
Whether it's Minecraft or ARK or any other multiplayer survival game with long-running projects, factions, and brief interactions, they 100% require editing and clipping to be watchable.
That's not to say that you can't watch your favourite chuuba putter around for several hours happily.
But the overarching dynamic of what's going on requires distillation of dozens of streams over weeks or months to have something rival a proper anime.

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>>22351411
>Vtubers lead normal, boring lives, just like most people
except they're millionaires

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubers Slice of life

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>>22349306
I stopped watching anime years ago when I found out that the ones I liked were just 12 episode adaptations of novels and manga that went way further than the anime ever would.
I do like vtubers that play a character so I get where he's coming from, but at the end of the day it's like getting excited about the seiyuu instead of the character; they'd never be able to actually replace the joy I get from playing games and reading manga. It's adjacent, not a replacement.

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>>22349306
All the good chuubas will graduate and the industry will be filled with western whores whose humor only consists of sex jokes, have outrageously shitty “sexy” designs in an attempt to grow their coomer cuck audience and interact with males on a daily basis.
I believe it will become so bad to the point where big corpos will be forced to expand towards the porn industry due to sheer pressure and demand from fans, which will inevitably replace vtubing as we know and love it today with something completely different, although based on the same concept

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>>22353624
>They can't play the role of a pirate captain in search of a legendary treasure because most of them haven't even been on a ship, let alone command a pirate frigate.
You might be an idiot if you believe you have to actually live through a specific life experience in order to portray a character.

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>>22377379
Editing fixes some of those problems, but you still don't have the complete picture. Like when Pekora and Moona became friends in Minecraft, there had to have been interactions between them offline, but we can't see those.
Same with unresolved plot points. The rivalry between Aqukin and Usada Construction never ended because both companies fizzled out. You can't exactly edit a conclusion in when it hasn't happened.

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kizuna ai needs to come back

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>>22378367
A good actor can do it for a short while with the help of a script and a ton of research. But to livestream as one for hours every day? If you know of a chuuba who can do that convincingly, link them here.

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>>22349306
Vtubers replace women, not anime.

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>>22378662
I don't know any vtubers who are doing it but if they make their character their entire life, they will become that character by means of method acting.

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>>22351691
They hated him because he spoke the truth but anonymous was right

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>>22349306
I'm not sure how long the popularity of Vtubers will last. I think it's just a fad that might have some nice mileage due to people liking anime and anime becoming more mainstream with each passing year.

I stopped watching anime almost entirely when I got into Vtubers and honestly it has been a much better motivational factor in learning Japanese. I hate watching 30sec-10 min clips of hour long streams. They may be the "best parts" but I'd also like to feel closer to my oshi by understanding even the more mundane sections of her streams. This is the closest I'll ever get to interacting with an anime girl and I'll take it.

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>>22349306
I'm not helping you write your thesis for free. At least have the courtesy to post your supporting research on catbox you leeching nigger.

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>>22349306
>>22349504
I think this logic of "I stopped watching anime after vtubers" or even Nasu's comments about how Light Novels can't keep up is rather weird, because while vtubers can indeed give you a character you can interact with and watch every day, they don't give you a story. Unless you literally only watched self-insert harem and SoL anime, vtubers aren't going to replace anime for you because they lack narrative structure. You know, an actual story. Its not the same thing. That's also why i find Nasu's comment to be weird, vtubers aren't competing with Tsukihime because Tsukihime has an actual plot. Its like he thinks the only value Tsukihime has is as a dating VN, while i'm pretty sure that's the least interesting aspect of it for most readers, same with Fate.

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>>22350217
>>Japs at least don't take shit and will backlash if a Vtuber acts like a spoiled little shit
No they don't lmfao. They act like spoiled little whores all the time, the only difference between them and the EN side is your wapanese goggles turn you into a yellow fevered masochist. It's all the same shit, jap girls bitch about chat, companies etc all the time.
>korone
Hello, /v/.

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>>22378766
I'm not sure method acting is enough for live streaming. Let's say you're a computer hacker character. Someone superchats you a programming joke, do you just dodge it every single time?

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>>22378433
The Usaken/Akukin rivalry didn't just fizzle out - the reason it didn't happen despite it being such an obvious opportunity for an event is that Pekora and Aqua don't get along and they therefore never collaborated to set it up. To her credit, Aqua at least tried to invite Pekora to collab with her in MC earlier on, but Pekora removed her gifts and invitation off-screen and never mentioned them. This company rivalry arc people imagined was never really going to happen with those two in charge.

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>>22351343
exactly
I don't know if Miyazaki actually said this but I completely agree regarding the state of media
it went something like "animation used to be based on real life experiences and life,
now animation is based on other animation"

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>>22350217
>Japs at least don't take shit
Holy shit I can't even call you a newfag for being this retarded since fancucks moving over to Michael prove you completely wrong. Just the fact you don't know japanese means you're an EOP threadreader who probably gets his opinions of JP fans from google translted 5ch screencaps.

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>>22379180
I mean when 90% of anime is isekai shit you can see why some people will drop it when the narrative structure is the same thing copy pasted 30 times. Honestly manga is a better deal cause it takes less time to consume, has the same if not better narrative structure. Fuck most anime nowadays aren't even originals just adaptions of LNs and manga.

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>>22379882
You don't understand method acting. That's when you literally become the character 24/7, even off camera. If you're playing a computer hacker character you literally become a computer hacker, just short of doing illegal things. So you will be cracking programs for personal use but not distributing them, breaking into the neighbor's wifi but not doing anything with the access, programming for fun, stuff like that. OTOH you could be a "wannabe" hacker character and play it for laughs. Then you would pretend to be a wannabe hacker all day and all year and you would learn hacker terminology but never actually do the hacking stuff. In the first case, you understand the programming joke because you are now a hacker. In the second, you might not understand the joke but you have a big ego so you think you do, and you respond like you think your "ideal hacker god" version of you would respond. Probably something like "Hah, you think that's a funny joke, but you didn't even make it past my firewall cluster's first node." Basically chuuni sounding and cringe.

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>>22381116
Bro not everyone is Daniel Day Lewis. A normal method actor would attend a programming course or two, attend a seminar, and then extrapolate from there. They don't need to learn programming jokes because as a method actor they're literally acting out a script other people wrote for them. Are you literally 12?

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>>22361650
according to https://animeschedule.net/seasons/spring-2022

I was going to write them all out but that's too much to bother
approximately half are isekai or isekai adjacent (RPG mechanics in a fantasy setting but technically no reincarnation)
then I filter out haremshit because haremshit is literal garbage.

and i'm left with a few romcoms
1 horror anime (thats basically just every horror anime ever made)
a mystery anime
cgdct x 3
sol kitchen anime
a few generic sport animes
basically your generics, nothing worth talking about or watching because you've seen them all 1000x before. they're there, but unless someone goes out of their way to tell me one of them is of particular high quality i'm going to assume its just another random cheap adaptation to fill time slots.

then your generic kid sequels like yuhioh seaons 8, generic card games, precure, etc.

looking through all 50 for the first time the only one I'm somewhat tempted to watch is healer girl, and just because i like music and that might have some nice tunes.
and maybe magia record, but i'm still seething about them banning my phone in the mobage.
and that one shitty isekai but that's only because i like yuri. but i'm just going to read the manga for that one since i already started it a long time ago.

I don't expect every season to have something amazing I'm looking forward to, but its just an average season as far as things go.
BNA was the last anime I really enjoyed and it was on netflix

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>>22352357
>Seen this too many times
Give examples

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>>22381838
You wouldn't get it, you're just like all the other wannabes who will never understand anything about acting because they don't give a fuck enough about it to actually practice.

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>>22382145
BNA? That political garbage? If that's your idea of entertainment why are you watching vtubers? Go watch dramafags on twitch instead. Oh, the poor beastmen are being discrimimated against! It's so interesting! Man miss me with that shit I don't need real world problems in my fantasy.

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>>22382547
>anime has a basic as fuck message
>hurrrrrrr /pol/
kill yourself.
and even for a /pol/faggot you're fucking retarded because the end message of the anime was that beastmen are literally genetically predisposed to going insane and murdering people unless they took their meds.

trigger can't write a story for shit but it was fun. if you stopped obsessing about politics for 3 seconds maybe you'd actually have friends.

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Why are you retards acting like if anime adaptations being glorified ads hasn't been a thing before were even born? Fucking ignorant newfags I swear.

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>>22349816
>with real writers and vtubers playing it out.
Voice-over series kind of similar to audiobooks or old time radio.

Let the streamers do whatever for the streams and have the writers/creatives create lore audio-drama series. Like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp8LZp8Rs5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLY7rre6gs

Hope that makes sense, forgive my ESL.

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>>22349306
OP is a faggot, but Nasu is pretty based.

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>>22351691
Based.

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>>22382740
I don't know if English is your first language but I'm far from interested in politics, much less "obsessed" as you seem to believe.

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>>22383838
sure you aren't. that's why your first thought about an anime about literal furries is that its "political garbage"

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>>22351024
Watching anime doesn't make you smarter either.

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>>22381663
>hololive.jpg

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>>22381116
That's very hard but possible for a hacker. Now if your character is a 1000-year-old demon lord, or the president-turned-dictator of Russia, how exactly does an actor become those? Do you have an extra Russia in your back pocket for them to rule?

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>>22380429
Not really. It's all about chasing trends.
It's also ironic that you're criticizing anime watchers in a board where streamers chase FOTM trash and twitch metas constantly.

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Chubas don't need method acting because the proteus effect will hit them anyway.

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Money for nothing and your simps for free.

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>>22385709
The trend is saving money at all cost. Animes are going from art back to being advertisment for Figures, OST and the Manga/Novel.

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>>22385312
You learn Russian, read the entire canon of Russian literature, then organize (and rule with tyrannical violence) your social media, discord, chat, and collabs like an absolute monarchy. Also convert to Orthodoxy.

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>>22349306
>Do you find yourself enjoying chuubas more than anime, manga, vidya, and etc.?
I used to, but after watching vtubers constantly for a year I've gotten pretty bored of streaming in general so I'm back to consuming manga and only watch my favorites.
>So anons, what do you think the long-term effects of vtubing will be on the rest of otaku media?
References and memes/jokes about it in anime, certain promotional brand deals with bigger names, vtubers voicing side characters, etc. The stuff that we're already seeing. But with Covid dying down, I think a lot of the casual watchers will probably move on to something else. I foresee the community shrinking down and lots of smaller indies quitting.

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>>22364678
BL and reddit are the only places you can get translated TM stuff so yeah, they['re still kicking

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My main concern at the end of the day comes from the mental health impact of idol culture in general. That culture single handily caused a major decrease of romantic and social relationships in Japan, as shown by a fuck ton of statistics for birth rates in the country. I feel like VTubers were just the next logical step in cementing that decrease even more. And just in general, idol culture just breeds very toxic behavior to stalk the idols and talent; same towards celebrity culture in the West, but on a much worse scale.

Or I'm just retarded, I don't know. Maybe this will be beneficial, and I'm just seeing the Suipiss ringo threads as the general trend towards degeneracy.

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>>22379180
>>22381030
Obviously from the success of Fate as a franchise to the factory line of isekai, people like you who are expressly looking for interesting stories are a minority to people like Nasu and probably many industry members.

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https://files.catbox.moe/ybshb4.mp4
The future is already here. All they gotta do is put it on the internet.

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>>22388702
>people like you who are expressly looking for interesting stories are a minority to people like Nasu and
You're right, but not for the reason you think. Nasu only makes stuff for the sake of creating, so he could honestly care less what people think about his works. Everyone around him though, is there for the money so they capitalize on what he's done through absurdly aggressive marketing practices and business decisions

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>>22383952
NTA, but you said the anime is about politics too.

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>>22388680
>That culture single handily caused a major decrease of romantic and social relationships in Japan
You're confusing cause and effect. Idol culture wouldn't have had such a huge market to cater to if birth rates were still high.

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>>22389100
>Nasu only makes stuff for the sake of creating
The guy who prostituted out Fate/Stay Night as an IP vehicle for png gacha and shitty spinoff Unity games? That guy? Get real.

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>>22388680
>single handily caused a major decrease in romantic and social relationships in Japan
Anon, please; do some research before you talk out of your ass.

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>>22392697
>prostituted out Fate/Stay Night as an IP vehicle for png gacha and shitty spinoff Unity games
That's all aniplex, he just gives the ok because it doesn't matter to him what people do with his works as long as he can make them

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>>22392697
>prostituted out Fate/Stay Night
>Literally started as an erotic VN
You should have seen this coming and nasu just gave his new vision.

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>>22382547
Political? That's new.

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>>22351024
I still watch the big ones of each season but yeah, significantly reduced watching the typical seasonal dogshit stuff I used to watch for popcorn

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>>22363047
which one was it anon?

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>>22379180
Hololive has so many kino arcs though, it's like a long running anime. There have even been permanent "character deaths" like with Coco and Rushia.

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>>22388680
Idols were a response to shifting trends. There's more than enough research on the decay of socialising in the past 40 years.

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>>22350725
try A Practical Guide to Evil if you're interested in a good COMPLETED story that doesn't let you down.

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>>22351211
There has always been a lot of garbage anime. And a lot of garbage movies. And games. As a rule of thumb, 80% of anything sucks, its just that the passage of time has people becoming selective of how they remember them. In the same season that a classic like Death Note aired, there were also 20+ bad shows nobody remembers. Same thing applies today.

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>>22388057
Anime is*

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>>22403447
https://www.livechart.me/fall-2006/tv
For you

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>>22353059
I keep hearing about this Nijisanji Ark arc but I've never seen a proper compilation of it.
The only series I've found goes like Historia Civilis but zero narration and zero Stream POVs.

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>>22404333
See? Even an amazing season like that one, with heavy hittters like Code Geass, NHK, Negima, Death Note and Black Lagoon still had like 20 shows nobody fucking remembers, probably because they were really mediocre.

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>>22381663
I find it funny that this is exactly what happens to communism every time its tried

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>>22404649
Code Geass is also trash.

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>>22352357
> t. only watches ENs

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>>22404848
I agree, but probably not in the same way you think its trash. Code Geass is the anime equivalent of a really funny-bad 80s B-movie and i love it.

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>>22362390
>he says as he watches another Hololive and Nijisanji stream for the billionth time
There are many indies that have been innovating or put effort into being creative but you don’t know them because you don’t watch them

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>>22349306
Vtubers will not change much, it's the same as it is with every other media format. Light novels, manga, anime, VNs, for every good one there are 1,000 pieces of shit, for every popular one that is actually good, 10 pieces of shit that appeal to the lowest common denominator also get popular. The cream will slowly be separated from the crop, it's just a hodge podge as of now cause the medium is still relatively young. Streaming can not replace a well written story, which can not replace a beautifully animated movie, which can not replace a masterfully designed videogame.

What we're actually witnessing is the convergence of media production technology where individuals and small groups can put things out of equal or greater entertainment value than entire companies. The first major entertainment medium that was democratized in this fashion was music, someone extremely good at playing plastic buckets on the street can entertain people more than an established pop singer making overproduced corporate tracks where people can't feel any passion. The next big industry to hit that decentralization of production technology was art, digital art means people with a 2002 laptop can make art as good as people with $20,000 paints and brushes and easels. Then came video, which people think started in the late 80 / early 90s with the introduction of home video but it really started around 2008 with the release of the Canon EOS 5D Mk II and the Magic Lantern custom firmware hack. It was then accelerated by the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera in 2012 and has just gone crazy since then. Now people with $2,000 of equipment and a bit of drive can make videos that both sound and look better than some blockbuster movies that cost tens of millions and have staff lists in the hundreds. Between that time period we got Blender Cycles, which democratized high end rendering technology in a completely free program, which was such a major leap for 3D art at the time that it was basically a biblical revelation, and it continued to evolve. Fast forward a decade to Cycles X, RTX graphics cards in laptops, UE5 is free, there are enough free VST plugins to clean and design your own audio for free, tutorials for every subject, and you can write a full script on your phone with automatic formatting just by dictating into it if you want. The entire entertainment media landscape is getting democratized, and only the best or the most heavily marketed survive. 10 years ago people couldn't even begin to imagine rendering 10,000,000 polygons on a home computer and now you can do that real time in a game engine for free.

Outside the Vtuber sphere the rest of the entertainment industry continued to advance. Ryo Timo can make animations of a higher quality than entire studios in less time all on his own with free software. Ian Hubert has more finely tuned a low poly photobash approach to 3D rendering and CGI that results in sequences most people have a hard time distinguishing from the work of ILM. Teenagers are making hit songs with $100 of software and $20 of instruments from garage sales. Some of the most popular writing on the planet is on fucking wattpad and amazon self published. Binging with Babish has more viewers and just as much production value as most of Food Network. We are in midst of a massive paradigm shift in who makes the media we consume and how easy it is for us to find it. What was once considered sheer lunacy for entire companies only 15 years ago is now possible with a decent enough laptop.

Now think about all those advancements and evolutions in modern media production, and realize than 90% of japanese companies involved with such production are still living in 2005. That's why there's a disparity in entertainment value, especially when Vtubers are rapidly moving into territory closer to stuff like the Jerma Dollhouse with semi scripted live theatre becoming more and more popular. Virtual production and free technology means all this stuff will only get better for individual creators, meanwhile the japanese executives greenlighting production of isekai garbage #582 with a budget of $200 per episode still need to send their business decisions by fax.

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>>22350977
AHHH HAG SEX

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>>22404935
Hmm, I never considered watching it like that. Maybe I should try it again with that in mind!

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>>22349306
the future will be a vtuber anime but for real
the episode goes live
and when the character start streaming it turns into an actual livestream and when the chuuba ends the stream they play the rest of the episode as the character finish stream
and went on a menhera monologue
1 stream per week
2~4hours

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>>22405661
Can we be friends? I really like that you can see the bigger picture.

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>>22405661
Thanks for doing my thesis work for me

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>>22404934

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>>22406329
Hobby started in /jp/ nigger.
Many including myself have done enough reps to get into JP chuubas, and the scene is flourishing there.
Just because EN whores act like whores doesn't mean VTubing as a whole is like that.

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>>22406419
That's not the point you absolute nigger. I'm also a jpfag, but you can't expect anons on this mostly EOP board to sympathize with (You)
Let them go back to anime, the sooner chuubas leave the western market the better

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>>22406612
ah, understandable then

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>>22405661
Most sane person Ive ever found in the internet

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>>22352522
what is her channel name?? the only nina i can find is that hag from nipplesanji

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>>22406886
https://www.twitch.tv/ninaninin

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>>22406886
Forgot her YT for her karaoke
https://www.youtube.com/c/NinanininVT

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>>22405661
There's a limit to the amount of quality art a single person can produce, even with 0 cost for equipment and all of the supporting staff replaced by robots. It takes 6 months to a year to write a novel that's not absolute garbage. Even if tech exists to turn that novel directly into a Hollywood movie for free, it would still be unwatchable without that 6 months of authoring time.
>there's a disparity in entertainment value... Virtual production and free technology means all this stuff will only get better for individual creators
Art is only valuable if no other similar art exists. When millions of small-time creators are all trying to create with minimal effort, they'll saturate the market with that kind of low effort content. Technology can make the effort even lower, but there will still be value to large productions simply because it's hard to make, and therefore new and interesting.

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>>22355333
Wait, is Shu wooing Elira? That's kinda cute if true.

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>>22349306
tldr
insurmountable mountain of shit writing, I'm guessing

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>>22355333
>I just want to watch funny anime people
So literally no one in luxiem
>rooting for Shu
That's because it's Shu, the wet towel of luxiem and you're hoping that he could form a personality if he crashed with Elira
And most importantly
>your full of shit
>your
Argument is hereby invalid

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>>22406177
sure, you are friend.
>>22406201
I already wrote my thesis on this, don't plagiarize me.
>>22407551
Nothing you said argues against my points so I'll take this as a confirmation. But it does not take 6 months to a year to write a novel that isn't absolute garbage, there are people out there who can write great novels in 10 days and medicore ones in a week. Kamachi Kazuma was putting out some of his best work when he was publishing a full light novel every month for one of 5 different ongoing series he had, not to mention manga scripts and shorts and he was still submitting so many manuscripts that his editors had to scream at him to stop. 6 months to a year had better turn out a fuckin great novel in the modern landscape, people are higher skill than ever, just people with lower skill can also be seen now. The standards have been rising more than you likely see. Some of the best script writing of our time is found within random youtube game reviews and some of the best novel writing exists in fucking 40K fanfics. The unfortunate side effect of everyone making everything and putting it everywhere is that a lot of the best stuff is secluded away in bizarre corners of the internet. In a different time in an alternate universe Maki Ligon would be a world famous DJ, and Internet Historian would be a critically acclaimed investigative journalist, but we don't live in that timeline; subjectively speaking, we live in a much funnier one.

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I only liked watching slice of life or iyashikei anime and the chubers I watch are an extension of those genres.
I read way more manga nowadays. I'm fucking tired of shit adaptations.

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>>22349306
I haven't really stopped watching anime due to chuubas but rather I haven't watched an anime in a while because nothing really piqued my interest yet. I still read manga and a handful of LNs, though. As for the chuuba atmosphere, 2017/2018 was vastly better than it is now hands down. For your last question it's kind of hard to say. The fact that so many has been jumping onto this bandwagon (not sure we can call it that anymore since the vtuber scene's become more niche than a fad unfortunately) makes me think the West will end up taking it to the next level and start seeing more and more in mainstream media live TV commercials and whatnot which would probably attract a lot more undesirables. It was nice when this was a small hobby.

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>>22409246
>vtuber scene's become more niche than a fad unfortunately
This goes against the rest of your statement

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>>22349306
All i know is i have a very solid track record of seeing everything i liked when it was niche get found and destroyed, so i can only imagine vtubers as we know them now have a few years left before they are unrecognizable

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>>22409823
There is no future for you on this path. Give up now, and walk away.
You should know, Anon.
Your joy is borrowed. You are only imitating what /jp/ liked, what /jp/ thought was right.
An idolfag? Do not make me laugh.
Over and over, you said you wanted to support your oshi. But that wish is not your own.
You are conceited to think that such a man could help anyone.

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>>22410034
I know, I know that I cannot save them all.
I know that there will be hobbies that will slip my grasp and become grotesque abominations wearing their skin.
BUT!
That doesn't mean that I won't stop trying to find fun things to enjoy.
Just because others find it fun does not mean it will lose the things I loved about it.
I will continue to believe that dream, even if it is fake. Because that is better than becoming you, who has lost all joy in life.

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>>22405661
Based and futurepilled.

We will probably be still on a decade of unpaid indie talent and blockbusters of mediocre quality, until some service of form of payment and delivery can work out for the indies.

Youtube, twitter, twitch, pretty much most delivery platforms right now are extremely controlling and biased to the content the admins like the most, not the public.

Pixiv is relatively the site most free of "content curation", they are not trying to push a narrative, they just show what people want and don't hide stuff behind some algorithm. Unfortunate they still gotta ask people to censor images so it's limited, and there are not many ways to go viral or help people discover content.

[Anonymous No.]

unbelievable /vt/ was able to have a thread hit bump limit without shitflinging or tribalfaggotry

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>>22410890

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>>22349306
FATE/VTUBERS LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>22384010
Hey, at least an episode of anime is only 24 minutes, better than 2+ hours of stream. The best way to consume vtuber is by watching clips.