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21752597 No.21752597 [Reply] [Original]

Personally debating if I should drop Holos if they all decide to start streaming on Twitch.
I'm not saying "Hurr durr, Twitch sux because chat/Twitch thots/culture sux", but from personal experience my ISP can't handle Twitch and whenever I try to watch any Twitch streams, the whole stream is laggy and just have an over-all bad watching experience. Also had some experiences wherein I can't watch streams because the only quality option is 1080p HD or higher.

So tell me, is Twitch really that good and should just I bite the bullet and upgrade/change my ISP to watch Holo streams or just drop them entirely

>> No.21752664

just don't watch them on twitch? it's not like they'll completely jump ship.

>> No.21752752
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I dont watch twitch but
>I can't watch streams because the only quality option is 1080p HD or higher.
is untrue.

>> No.21752804

>>21752664
Not OP but Japan will jump to basically anything popular, even a niche site like Twitch.
If their Twitch careers takes off they'll probably go all in on it.

>> No.21752823
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21752823

>Redpill me on Twitch
Not worth the time.

>> No.21752856

>>21752752
Pretty sure non-partner streams doesn't allow you to change the video quality, but that might be 2-3 years ago.
My personal experience with Twitch is mostly watching LOL Worlds and it was buffering hell.

>> No.21752894

>>21752597
>pic
Gura isn't going to switch. She just got backlash.

>> No.21752909

>>21752752
Not OP but I've ran into a fair number of 2views on Twitch that only have 1080P available. I heard that you unlock the other video qualities as the streamer reaches affiliate/partner status.

>> No.21752973

What a waste of a fucking thread by schizo shit. And no, you trying to frame your anti bullshit with "muh ISP" doesn't make you any less obvious. Anyone who replies after me sucks cocks.

>> No.21753003

They won't stop streaming on Youtube, stop doomposting.
Well, I had always had issues with Twitch but I changed ISP and it's fine now, so I get what you're saying.
My main issue with the site is not technical anymore, but with the so-called "twitch culture". I'll admit the actual streaming environment is actually well-done.

>> No.21753031

Why are they streaming on Twitch?
>>21752973
Meds

>> No.21753035

>>21752909
Holos are automatically partnered. This shouldn't be a problem.

>> No.21753499

>>21752597
>>21752752
Quality options are only guaranteed for partners. Everyone else just has to get lucky, basically. Miko got partner so presumably being in hololive might fast track that process. OP, you could try https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink-twitch-gui but I've rarely had connection issues using the website so I can't say whether this will improve things.

>> No.21753528

>>21753003
VODs are garbage, as is watching multiple streams. 1 already stutters on its own.
t. 200 download AND upload internet

>> No.21753677

>>21752597
The only thing that maters is the return of HoloSummer. Thats it.

>> No.21753741

>>21752597
Why are seanigs like this?

>> No.21753756

>>21753528
You sure it's not your pc?

>> No.21753810

>>21752856
>>21752909
>>21753499
I stand corrected, as you can tell like i said i don't use twitch. That being said with the followers they're getting from just existing, they'll probably get affiliate status by default.

>> No.21753934

>>21753499
Don't partners have to stream exclusively on Twitch?
So for them to unlock quality options they have to be Twitch streamers 100%?

>> No.21753961

>>21752597
Pretty much the general consensus of Holo is that they'll stream on twitch very occasionally (if they even do) and YouTube will still be their primary platform for the big majority of the time.

>> No.21753986

Twitch chat wont fuck up the stream like jewtube.

>> No.21754056

>>21752597
>my ISP can't handle Twitch
You can watch on lower res, I've actually set it to audio only while driving before.

>> No.21754099

>>21753934
Ask Miko. https://www.twitch.tv/sakuramiko_hololive that check next to her name means partner

>> No.21754169

>>21752597
I don't know what's this about haven't been around for a couple of days but if they jump to Twitch I will probably slowly stop watching them. I just never liked Twitch as a platform. Not 10 years ago and not now. I've only ever watched esports and pros on it out of necessity but never stuck with any "variety" entertainer there. I stopped watching every youtuber I used to follow after they started prioritizing Twitch as well.

>> No.21754171

>>21752804
Miko already streams there like once a week for watch alongs and Peko did some as well too. I think if they were looking to expand their EOP audience yes. But I think they will stay with Susan.

>> No.21754414

>>21753934
The exclusivity iirc is for vods. Twitch holds the rights to them for 24 hours.

>> No.21755397

>>21754169
It's just an alternative lol when youtube becomes trash

>> No.21755490

>>21752804
anon, EN will basically be on whatever platform JP is on, and the JP audience is on Youtube, not twitch (aside from FPS). They aren't moving their for their bread and butter, and so EN won't be moving their either. That doesn't rule out the occasional twitch stream for watchalongs, valorant, or when youtube is shitting the bed, and its good to have backup options. Miko watchalongs on twitch are Kino

>> No.21755871

>>21754414
and stops multi-cast or whatever. hololive doesn't need to worry about those though.

>> No.21756145

>>21752597
I don't think they plan to use Twitch unless they need to.
They'll probably just do some streams to gather data, or maybe try on swimsuits since Youtube doesn't like those.

>> No.21756198

>>21753003
>>21755490
See
>>21752804

>> No.21757448

>>21752894
Oh please, that wasn’t backlash, chat was divided but majority said just do whatever you feel like doing.

>> No.21757587

Why anons sperg out so much about twitch, HFZchad has been streaming on twitch for over a year and nobody give a shit. Or you want every holos to move to Cytube or what?

>> No.21758163
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>>21752597
the best holo of all time used it extensive
if that's not a good enough reason nothing is

>> No.21759773

>>21753031
Because megacorps claiming their vids and stealing their supa money doesn't happen on Twitch

>> No.21760067

>>21753986
>Twitch chat wont fuck up the stream
Yes, I too like seeing a wall of emoji in the chat.

>> No.21760180

>>21759773
implying that people aren't afraid to sing dmca able songs on twitch. The same shit happens but they get bonked even harder when they talk about it.

>> No.21760206

>>21752597
>Gura bait image.
>Gura straight up shat on twitch in her members and said dont expect a stream there
>said she wont collab with vshojo whores
>listened to her chat for an hour about how much they all hate it
k.....

>> No.21761537

>>21760206
Anon if you're gonna claim your oshi is that based you'll have to back it up.

>> No.21761611

>>21752597
they're not moving to twitch full time.

>> No.21763447

>>21753986
>defending twitch chat
come on dude...

>> No.21763818

>>21752597
Twitch is more lax on copyright (for now) while youtube has extremely sensitive bots that shut down copyright stuffs with extreme zealous
Meanwhile, twitch has really shitty draconian perm-ban system and can perm-ban a streamer without needing to state a reason. I don't expect holo would do such controversy stuffs to get banned from twitch but who knows.

>> No.21764094

>>21757587
Singaporean detected

>> No.21764206

>>21753934
Typically yes, but the partnership contract is individually negotiated. If you are media/celebrity tier or have a big company to go to negotiate for you, then you can get partner without exclusivity. Sounds like Cover knew what they were doing.
To be clear:
Affiliate = anything live on Twitch is exclusive to Twitch for 24h, but you can stream elsewhere when not streaming on Twitch
Typical Partner = all live content is exclusive to Twitch for 24h and you cannot stream elsewhere
Negotiated Partner = anything goes

>> No.21764521

>>21761537
https://youtu.be/6jRoYMpgc3E?t=2210
Now pay up fucko.

>> No.21764678

>>21752804
Does Hololive not have some sort of contract with Youtube?

>> No.21764879

>>21752804
Twitch will never take off for corporate tubers in its current form. This is because Twitch's fatal flaw, from a business perspective, is the lack of targeted advertising. (You know the stuff Facebook was losing its shit over Apple blocking?). Instead Twitch basically takes the "fire off ads at random and hope they stick" method. Such blind ads are far less valuable, which is why is bad for everyone:
>This is why Twitch takes 50% instead of 30%. Because they make less revenue per ad. So it's worse for the streamers. And corporations who fund them.
>This is why Twitch forces streamers to have ads every hour. Because they make less revenue per ad, so have to run more of them. So it's worse for the viewer.
>This is why Twitch has to pioneer "gamifying" stream viewing with hype trains, cheering (paid message highlighting), bits, collectable emotes, etc. To make up for the lower revenues they make from advertising by creating alternative forms of income.

>> No.21765199

>>21764678
None of the things YouTube offers put any real requirements on the creator. Since they have so many million-sub channels Cover probably has an actual partner manager but other than that I doubt they have any obligations to YouTube. There are a handful of streamers (single digits) who signed exclusive deals with YouTube Gaming but HL isn't among them.

>> No.21765350

>>21752597
>Redpill me on Twitch.
>The Solimo Strategy
Amazon literally copies seller designs then blacklists them or algorithms them. Everything is analyzed and turned into thirdworld knockoff trash.

>> No.21765622

>>21764678
They did stream on bilibili and still stream on NND so streaming on Twitch isn't that strange.
Twitch is good to shill Amazon movies with its watchalong feature and to play random games casually while not screwing up your youtube algorithm.

>> No.21766195
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Twitch streaming will make it easier for all of the niggers in livestreamfails to clip and try to farm the chuubas. This will inevitably trigger all the schizos who live there. It might be reddit but most of that place is filled to the brim with /v/, /vg/ and discord trannies who have a perma boner for drama. Kinda like this place, but at least its contained within 4chan. If a drama gets big in livestreamfails it has a really high chance of making it to the frontpage and making things even worse. Imagine a JP holo saying nigga and reaching that front page. It would get whoever said it in big trouble thanks to the all the average people are now aware of the clip. To all of this you add the fact that twitch streamers are globalist neo-liberals who always try to latch onto new trends for a little bit of exposure. JP wouldn't do it but EN hoes would definitely collab with xqc and all the other cancerous niggers on there.

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People are missing the main point of this, especially the timing of all this happening.
Youtube immediately age restricts all of their summer swimsuit debuts, however with Twitch, they're allowed to finally show all of their swimsuits, after 2 years of no swimsuit debuts, we're finally going to have a great summer once again.
This is a good enough reason to have them all make a twitch account, if only to stream content that automatically gets slapped by youtube.

>> No.21766563

>>21766335
It'll never work like this. Twitch is fine with 3dpd in hot-tubs and pool streams but 2D gets moderated hard. Saruei actually went viral long before she became a chuuba because she was getting banned for drawing ecchi, not hentai, just lewd, art on stream. Asian streamers also get banned for things like showing cleavage because it's handled by the asian branch of twitch which have different standards.

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>>21766335
who gives a fuck about that, coomer? I wanna see them play games, sing and act like retards. If I wanted to get hard I'd just go for real porn. Miss me and go to vshojo. You will get what you want there.

>> No.21767046

>>21766890
Imagine being this new, I bet you joined for HoloEN and them alone.

>> No.21767374

>>21764521
>members only post
I'm not membered to you oshi, so that's not gonna fly. Other chumbuds have said she's said similarly based things in the past so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though.

>> No.21767561

>>21752597
The only 2 times I tried it the shit site threw me like 10 ads in a row various times during a stream. If they decide to jump ship there that's when I'll stop watching, I ain't going through that shitty experience again.

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>>21752973

>> No.21767648

>>21752597
>redpill
>I'm a retarded reddit sheep who needs to be spoonfed.

>> No.21767867

Twitch chatting is so much better than youtube that I wish the site wasn't a shithole with the worst VOD experience on any site

>> No.21767890
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>>21767648

>> No.21768062

>>21767867
Are you saying their chat is better in content or programming, because most of what I've seen of a fucking LOT of twitch chats is just repeating the last few words the streamer said or spamming emotes. It's like talking using fucking pictograms.

>> No.21768234

>>21763447
>>21760067
>>21768062
Youtube chat is what Twitch chat was 10 years ago, its taking almost the exact same evolutionary path that Twitch went through. First everyone spams essays then they realize its pointless when 10k people are doing it so they start just typing short sentences or "lol" soon they realise they can quickly get their message across in a single picture. Emotes genuinely allow 10k people to interact with a single person efficiently. The only people who dislike them are those that have no idea how it works or boomers.

>> No.21768445

who cares where they stream. use something like holodex and ignore the noise

>> No.21768538

>>21767561
That's just a shitty streamer anon. I only get 2 ads in a single stream if the streamer decided to earn some ad money and presses the button to put on an ad. Anyway the quality on Twitch is A LOT better than youtube's encoding. You can see it from a couple of games like Apex/any other graphically intensive game. Open up someone's Apex stream vod on youtube and compare it to his/her Twitch Vod of Apex and you'll see a pretty big difference in quality.

>> No.21768599

>>21768234
Or the streamer that wants to talk to chat, anon. I'd hate it if I could barely get a word out of chat when I'm trying to talk to them.

>> No.21769733

>>21753756
Happens on both PCs, and mine can run modern AAA games on 160+ fps consistently.

>> No.21770249

>>21768599
In my experience Twitch chat is a lot better, just because of the moderation tools it has and 7tv. You can actually talk with the streamer with slow mode despite him/her having thousands of viewers. Even 500-1k CCV youtube chat is too fast at times.

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