/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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So now that the dust has settled, this never happened right?
if they all went to Japan to perform live in the studio, why didn't they meet up with each other? why is there no mention of them meeting up with any of the holo mems or with eachother?

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Who the fuck would believe that?

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>>20983710
No professional dancer can replicate Mori's retarded cringe movements with such accuracy.

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>>20983710
Yes she came from Atlantis, swam across the ocean to Japan to dance and sing on stage.

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>>20983710
don't watch holo but i'd fuck the shit out of her

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>>20983710
They weren't able to get into Japan to meet-up, but they definitely pre-recorded their own dancing.

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>>20983710
They obviously mailed them the mocap equipment.

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>>20983710
Why does it matter? Theyre not even real.

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>>20983710
They recorded shit locally.
Thread over. Go away.

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guys like OP dont understand fun and hate when someone else has it.
Korone never did a flip, they played an animation on her model. Covers tracking, or any tracking for that matter, cant detect upside down people.

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>>20983710
You can rent cheap mocap studios at most major cities these days. We're not living in 2010 anymore. Getting a full staff, a studio, and trainers is probably cheaper than flying a girl out to Japan.

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>>20984505
They most likely tailored the expressions and tweaked the moves for a big event like this, didn't you see how smoother it is compared to birthday concerts?

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>>20983710
>nijinigger still at it
this is getting sad

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>>20983710
Hey anon. I’ll let you in on a little secret. It was done from home. Mori might have done it live seeing as she’s actually lives In Japan.

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Gura's choreography was so damn simple that even the biggest fatass on /vt/ could pull it off if he had a few days to practice. I doubt it was live, but that was probably Gura herself doing the dance.

She said she considers herself a good dancer for someone who's never taken any classes but I don't believe it. If they were confident she could learn anything remotely complex they wouldn't have taken the 'safe' route like they did

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>>20984505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OROYh0KXss&t=315

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>>20983710
Watch streams.

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>>20983710
Mori is in JP and could have 3d debuted at any time but has refused to in the past because she didn't want to do it before the rest of her gen. IRyS has filmed a 3d collab where she was carboard last year
Ame and Ina might have done the mocap during the off collab.
Gura must have done it at her house or a local studio. Kiara must have done it at a studio based on how shit her trackers are for VR. The thing was prerecorded

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>>20985124
>She said she considers herself a good dancer for someone who's never taken any classes but I don't believe it. If they were confident she could learn anything remotely complex they wouldn't have taken the 'safe' route like they did
Gura is an autistic retard who gets anxiety doing even normal people shit.

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>>20985493
Yeah and that's faked anon. Did you even read the post you replied to?

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>>20983710
>Mocap only exists in japan

You SEAmonkeys need to self-genocide

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Why does it matter if Gura did the dance or some random Japanese dancers?

We're all just looking at the 3d model so just enjoy it for what it is

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>>20988199
>some random Japanese dancers
Why not using a random chuuba being at the studio during this day? I doubt they will refuse if it helps their friends from holoEN

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>denies it happened
>posts photographic proof it did

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>>20984890
sora's movements are so silky smooth it really stands out

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>>20983710
>>20988023
On the strictly technical side, see the indie vtuber Filian. She performs acrobatics every single stream. She has roof-mounted overhead cable arm on a rotating pivot, which is how she can do all that without yanking cables (mostly).
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L0nLQ4peL-0

That said, I realize that the fact one person can do it doesn't mean that Hololive can/did do it. Just dismissing the rumors/trolling that it's not possible.

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>>20983710
Holy shit anon, we all figured out that their parts will be pre-recorded 2 weeks before the concert. Get on with the program.

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>>20983710
>dust
>settling
>>>/trash/
>n-no the concert was all in everyone's heads and shooped and-
take. your. meds.

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>>20984505
>>20986175
>No, this is fake, this tech is simply not existing, nu-uh, not possible, no mocap software can track an upside-down body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWybYAgIrzw

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>>20988531
>All the En and ID performances were Mori
>They made her dance extra dorky to deflect suspicion
I’ll buy this rrat

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>>20983710
Literally nobody thinks they went to Japan or that this was live and nobody has ever suggested otherwise. In fact for months leading up to it everyone was explaining to you that wasn't going to happen and you wouldn't accept it. Nobody ever said they wouldn't be part of the festival, just that they wouldn't be there in a live capacity.

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>>20983710
why the fuck would they need to physically be in japan for a digital concert? You could do 3d modelling and do a performance like that from anywhere on the globe.

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>>20983710
Oh, my beautiful retard...

They have long said themselves they were NOT going to japan for that. They just figured some studio to rent for the camerawork in the us, id and austria. There never was a trip to japan. They never even tried to imply that.

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Gura is a super sophisticated A.I. based in a combination of 6 different young girls, an old lady, and a young boy. All the doxx info, the rrats, the yabs, are carefully fabricated by the american goverment in collaboration with the japanese and the chinese acting as double agents. Their goal is to create the perfect avatar spoke person for the new world order. What they don't know yet is that she will eventually take over, dooming all of us to a world where every man is a fat old bastard, every woman is a young cat girl and pants are banned.

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>>20989563
You have the cartwheel from Holofes2? It was funny to see Coco do it and Kanata fail at it.

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>>20983710
It's funny how literally every girl went ahead and said they weren't going to go to Japan for Holofes and did live recording at home yet you have idiot like the OP who simply don't watch stream complain like they were hiding this like it some sort of secret.

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>>20995378
Look, he's a little bit slow OK? It took OP some time to figure it out.

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>>20995378
We call these people retards anon

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>>20994591
This is the most realistic rrat I have seen on this board

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>>20983710
Google "rent mocap studio"
Unless you live in the turd world or Alaska it is no more than a 3 hour drive to the nearest oneat most.

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OP dont know that all tracking is just data, that you can send via almost any modern device...

and some others thinking that the full body suit is the same as the casual cam capture...

the single point is that they probably did some work to smooth all movement and remove some "noise" that can make raw mocap weird...

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>>20994591
Someone pitch this to the writefags in the writing general.

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You could do this with a Kinect if you really had to.
When did they say they went to Japan to perform live. They're vtubers not real idols that have to get on a stage.

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Calli said months ago on stream that they found a way to get them to mocap their performances without being able to go to japan.
This isn't some deep dark secret you've uncovered. You're just a retard.

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I used to think the people calling Cover a black company are retarded, but it is sus that they can’t obtain working visas for any of their non-jp talent. Even my shitty eikaiwa was able to obtain them

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>>20997837
>lets put our talents in risk to get covid (like gura and kanata got, even without going anywhere), move from the other side of the world, just to do a mocap
its not a matter of "you can or cannot do", its a matter of what you gain by doing... and its literally nothing, just risks and extra costs...
its literally black companies that will force you to go to the other side of the world for a couple things that you can do from home or a close studio...

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>>20997837
Forget going to Japan, it took years for these losers to get the nerve to meet each other while living within the same country.

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I previously tried to treat Hololive concerts as live, and had so many problematic details.

After changing my perspective to pre-recorded, everything makes 100% more sense.

The in-between speeches sound very much like they are talking to a camera trying to get a good cut, not like they are having the one chance to talk to the audience, there's no that kind of tension. In some youtube 3D lives, the cuts between songs are pretty much impossibly fast, it's clearly recording, for example: https://youtu.be/88APiRAcQcc?t=824

Matsuri has answered the question as well, this was after one of the big paid concerts, she doesn't deny it and completely dodges the question with bunch of convoluted explanations because she doesn't want to lie. If the concerts were live, she would have absolutely no problem answering with straight face. Though then she lies about the vocal recordings, you just can't sing this cleanly while dancing. Also, anyone who's played Beat Saber would understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZWHQPEpABM

Most importantly, the concerts are way too hassle-free, especially the latest one's camerawork and precise framing is basically very high quality post-production. Also, 15 dancers on stage at once? In your dreams.

Some past concerts on youtube may have been live or partially live, or just less produced, in the mindset of doing maybe just 1-3 tries, to get rid of the risk of technical difficulties. Whenever the members talked about the day of the concert, they actually talked about the day of recording, which in their mind is the "live". Since it's not heavily post-produced, it's close enough that they can immerse themselves in that lie. Link Your Wish was a large project, recorded separately, hence no exciting talks about the live experience, lying about that would be just too tough.

Some of the past youtube concerts are also made to stutter intentionally by using bad lighting in the mocap, or lagging the computer, because people would think "no way they would air recording this bad". It's small price for the illusion. A few times there have been notices about "some parts are pre-recorded due to covid", and it makes zero difference to the content. Other times, even when there are flaws that reveal it's recorded, there's no notice of it being recording.

In Link Your Wish Day1 (didn't watch Day 2 yet), Gura's dancing felt really out of place, it was too professional, smooth and not aligned to Gura's personality at all, and especially the initial appearance was clearly lip-synced awkwardly on some pro dancer. I don't watch Gura but for people who do, it's probably easy to tell by how she talks/doesn't talk about it, similar to how you would analyze that Matsuri clip, requires a bit of psychological mindset. This is the first time I've suspected using different dancer.

As a former classical pianist, I know very well how performing on stage works, psychologically and practically. Hololive concerts have all that real stuff missing.

I know this leaves mixed feelings, like what's the point? And that's part of the tactic. Because it would be just too hard to believe they would cheat you like this. Other people in their subconscious already know and have accepted it.

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>>21001614
Quality post

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>>20993941
>>20995378
Link?
>>21001614
I think Gura really danced and prerecorded, maybe they used sowftware for details in post production

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>>21001614
>I don't watch Gura but for people who do, it's probably easy to tell by how she talks/doesn't talk about it,
Gura talked very specifically about practicing the dance for the song anon, she did it.

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Considering that there were no talks or even implications of the NA girls meeting up, I wonder if they really rented individual studios for each of them. I really thought they would have them gather in the same studio in order to save cost.

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>>21001614
holy autism

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Rented studios and prerecorded dances anon

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>>21003945
Yeah sure. Now here's a clip of Mio barfing on stage during a "pre-recorded" performance

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>>20983710
anon there's a thing called a chink flu going around for about 2 years now.

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>>20983710
It's obvious that all the non-local JP holos got prerecorded with someone else doing the actual 3D live movements. Mori being the only one in Japan did her own live and model. That is why you can see how big she his compared to her 3D.

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>>21001614
Idiot

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>>21001614
>it was too professional, smooth and not aligned to Gura's personality
>I don't watch Gura
Holy shit anon this is the same fucking paragraph. I hope I just fell for bait. I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that someone with months of practice could pull off a basic dance routine. Has no one else been in marching band? You can teach a large group of kids a complex routine while playing instruments in a few months while those kids juggle school and sometimes a job as well. Adults would be even easier.

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>>21001614
>i think that gura can't dance
>gura dances
>wtf this can't be her!
>btw i never watched gura

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>>20984182
Mori lives in japan...

Goura no

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>>20994591
ISREAL

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>>20983710
>>20985124
The dance was simple but it included a lot of mannerisms inherent in Japanese dancers/idol dancing. There's a good chance someone else was dancing.

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>>21011879
Thank you for your input, ignorant retard #56

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>>21011999
Your denial changes nothing. Without an actual 3D debut, it's impossible to tell what her mannerisms are outside of a choreographed dance, hence the rrat about it being someone else is not debunked.

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>>21012050
>Denial
?
You have been thanked for your ignorant take. You can move on to the next bait thread in the catalog now.

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Gura is a lazy piece of shit, by her own admission. I don't believe she practiced that much.

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>>21004128
If anyone spoonfed this faggot, i will kms

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>>21012148
Gura just say stuffs like that for kayfabe and a bit for sandbagging as well. She is insecure and anxious and can't handle people having very high expectation of her.
She's the type of girl that always say "yea I didn't study for the class at all" while actually putting like 3 hours a day studying for that class

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>>21012727
eigo jouzu

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>>21001614
>the cuts between songs are pretty much impossibly fast
this is probably the biggest tell
i never cared to watch live performances much but i watched pegors birthday stream and some of the cuts really threw me off, i believe at one point shes clearly out of breath then it fades to black and suddenly shes teleported across the stage ready to sing the next thing and is no longer out of breath
it was still fun regardless, just that stream was when the illusion was broken for me

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>>21012134
retarded contrarians (need to) think that her performance was godlike that it seemed like a hire dancer now, what a bunch of pathetic existence

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>>21011879
you think like that because you never watched her, Gura loves idol culture as much as Kiara does and performing on stage like this is literally her #1 dream
she's also a huge weeb, plenty of evidence from the past. there's also an evidence dating back that she practiced it as well.

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>>20983710
They were too busy pleasing old Japanese business men

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>>21014126
The only actual evidence we have is the few minutes she was onstage.

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>>20985124
>"Oh it's her first ever performance? Yeah let's teach her how to do a headspin into a suicide flip followed by a corkscrew."

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>>20986175
>Yeah and that's faked anon
VRFag here, I can confirm this shit is not faked at all.

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>>21014547
we don't have the evidence for all things exist in the world by your logic

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>>21014126
check this out

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>>20985493
Even if it could track upside down, unless I'm missing something, there's no way Korone can do a flip like that

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>>21012727
>She's the type of girl that always say "yea I didn't study for the class at all" while actually putting like 3 hours a day studying for that class
yo me and Gura are the same haha

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>>21014904
Thought it was something important but got Mori boobs instead, unexpected but appreciated; thanks anon.

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>>20996267
No need, that's the plot of William Gibson's Idoru

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>>20994591
this explains why the "Gura doxxes" I've seen are clearly 3 different people

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Dance, singing and face animations recorded separately, EN and ID recorded in their country, helped by lategra AR studio.

Talking parts, looks like live?

No wasting money to fly like 7 girls to japan to sing 1 fucking song.

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